Honda ST 1300 Pan European may be discontinued, but it is still a very, very good tourer.
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- Опубліковано 17 гру 2021
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There’s only one thing better than riding an ST1300, watching videos about riding ST1300s
Bought mine new in 2002. Over 200k miles to date, and whilst I run a few bikes, the ST1300 is probably the best two wheeled conveyance on the road! I've ridden them all, and some do things better than the Pan, but overall, it's the best!
Hey Michael, glad u like the ST13, have u done any mods? Have to agree, they are pretty good.
I've always wanted this bike. If this year goes well I will buy one, give it a good going over, then leave my wife every weekend. She won't see me from Friday afternoon until Sunday night. That's my plan! Right now she goes antique shopping every Sunday (which I hate), and I go golfing every Sunday (which she hates). After 27 years of marriage, I need this bike. I'm certain she would be happy about it. Everyone needs their space. I'll probably come home early one day to find the mailman wearing my bathrobe, but that would be fine with me. I'd say "Take over the note, and she is yours !!" I'd jump back on my ST1300 and go enjoy life like God intended.
That’s life 😁😁
I had the chance of putting some decent miles on a Pan back in the day. It really surprised me once I got into the "tourer" groove. Absolutely nothing fazed it and it could really hustle on twisty roads. Impressed I was. You got a lot of bike for your money!
I have a 1998 VFR800. Like the Pan, it will live on and on. I've owned over 20 bikes from BMW, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha and Honda. Honda wins hands down on build quality.
Great vid as always. One of the best channels around 👍
I’ll stick with my 2011 ST1300. A motorcycle with simple basic equipment that gives me great enjoyment.
Ditto, same year. And once you add a few farkles it's a great bike. Airhorn, power outlet in the glovebox, phone/device holder anything that takes your fancy.
I rode a Pan on a test day run by Honda. It was marshalled by motorcycle cops. A Pan can boogie with sportier bikes and handles very well considering it's size. I tried the same with a Gold Wing and nearly embedded myself in a hedge. Never underestimate a good rider on a Pan European.
Look up yellow wolf goldwing. Dude would follow you through the tail of the dragon with cameras going. Not many could run away from him on much faster bikes.
@@cablainmusic Seriously impressive riding on huge motorcycles. A good watch.
Before I started riding, I like the STS bikes, I have never ridden one, but would like to someday.
Great video fellas, cheers. The Pan is a great bike, got a test lined up on the NT in Jan 2022. No CB Thou in SA? Shame, that's my bike & it's fantastic! Merry Christmas everyone! Blessings from Blighty
I like the ST 1300. Sie is more comfortable than other Seminar bikes and the motor is really good and long living! A good choice!
Great video. I don't see a lot of the STs here around (CE Europe). Would love to try one. I enjoyed the video. Cheers.
I own an 04 ST and have 105,000 miles and counting. I like it sooo much I just bought an 08 with only 13,000 miles so when my 04 hits the 250k mark, my new(er) one will be ready in the stable.
I agree with everything that was said about this bike, buying a used one isn’t a big deal if it was taken care of. I know a gentleman that’s at 280K and counting, so don’t be afraid of picking up a used one with some miles on it.
How much did you pay for 08?
My 04 ST has a 160,000 km and has been nothing short of bullet proof. The stock seat is miserable but I reworked it and high speed stability is only an issue if you ride solo with the top case, remove it and you’ll have no problem. Great bike all around.
Second that with removing the top case. I've had my previous 04 model up to around 160 and whilst not a scary ride, had some experiences that drove home the aerodynamic shortcomings the top box induced. Not an issue with knowledge.. 😁
I had a 2003 and a 2009 ST1300. I put a bit over 100k miles on both. Great tourer. Absolutely reliable as a Boulder. I tried maybe five different windscreens trying to get a more quiet ride. Wind noise was horrid. I never could find that top box you have here in the states. It’s likely discontinued but I heartily recommend the Fairing Deflector kit for better rain and wind protection.
One thing should be made clear: the author says the Goldwing is a big bike and the ST1300 is better. The ST1300 is a huge bike. Both of mine were over 700 lbs and carried that weight high. I gave up on my last one because my 73 year old legs were having trouble holding it up at a light. I went to the heavier Goldwing because it has a lower seat and carrys it’s weight lower.
i own an 04 running perfectly with 80k miles and ran an st1100 to 120k previously. i also have an fjr and walk right past it regularly because i like the honda better. it doesn't wobble and it doesn't clunk and i don't care if it hasn't got a fancy dash or riding modes with a million stupid buttons and who wants a tourer w/o a shaft.
Hi Don ,hope you well some advice please as a newbie .FJR or ST ? I have my heart set on FJR ...Many Thanks
@@kidronreddy1671
Hey, if u hav ya heart set on an FJ, do it. But, maybe go and give the ST a ride b4 the FJ, then make ya mind up.
That is if u havn't already since ur question was 10 months ago....
Whichever one you choose, Njoy, and keep the shiny side up 👍
Big fuel tank is a winner, been on my ST1100 for thirty years, vin number 24, 24th Australian delivered bike.
The small lcd screen on the Nt is actually a nice touch. You cam use android auto and have the display on your navigation app, and actually have the basic bike info on the secondary screen.
I have a 2006 model here in Arizona with 70k miles and looks and rides like a Brand New bike...... I love her !
I have a 2008 Kawasaki Concours 14. I absolutely love it. I've put over 20k miles on it in the past 2 years.
Have one, love it.
Rediscovering a fantastic bike - and why Honda did not develop this model, I have no idea. Adding cruise, modern dash, rider modes and a few other tech bits would have made a top seller for the big 'H'?
The one shown had cruise.
@@TechItOut Hi I can not see any evidence for a cruise control. If you are referring to the red buttons on the right hand bars below the brake reservoir, these seem very poorly placed to be used whilst travelling. They look more like an emergency system of some kind. MCCruise make the only full cruise control for the Pan that I am aware of. However YMMV!!
@@PDG1956 My Bad. I thought the black button below the red stop start one had the CC symbol but it is something else on checking. Thanks for the correction.
@@PDG1956 Mine has a Rostra.
Merry Christmas
I say the ST stands for super tourer, which is what it was when it was launched in 2003. I have a 2005 Pan European... Excellent bike.
The European version is 125bhp.
Thanks for the comprehensive review. I've had three ST13's as my favorite all-time bike. Tried to replace with RT's and K16's but oddly never liked as well as ST1300. Mine has full Race-Tech suspension which transforms the ride. It has the best seat-peg distance for riders with knee or back pain, much like my adventure bikes. Nothing except the K16 comares in terms of knee angle in the ST category. I'm incredibly disappointed Honda didn't update with a VFR1200T as rumored.
Hi mate. Did you live any wobble with this bike? Thanks in advance
@@orhansogut5492 No wobble at all on the ST1300 and I've owned 3. In fairness I never ride with a trunk case, and I use a shorter but wider wind shield. The stock version creates a back pressure forcing you forward. I also used aftermarket suspension for far superior handling. Stock ST's are typically undersprung and overdampened. I use Race-Tech front springs and gold values, and replaced the rear shock. Transformed the ride. Used ST's are very affordable so I didn't feel too bad about spending $$$ on suspension. Good luck!
A friend has one. He loves it.
Why and how did we get into the NT1100 ? I came to see the ST1300 in all its glory
This is the future st1300 ?
Just boought my second one having had one about 15 years ago... love it and it has low mileage so I can really 'run' it....!!!
Could always go slightly for a more sporty, sport tourer with the VFR1200 models. They seem to have depreciated extremely quickly (at least here in Oz), and strike me as a lot of bike for the money.
I have a 2010 Vfr1200f, love it but it’s more sporty seating position than a FJR or a K1300, not quite a Busa but closer to it than to a standard sport tourer. Also, I barely get 120 miles to the tank when riding gently.
It’s a great bike but the ST is WAY more comfortable.
@@RoeyHaviv agree, the vrf 1200 is a hoot! And same seating positing like the vfr 800... sporty! And the v4 is nice, even though its nicer in the 800 🥰
@@usbsol very different engines, the 1200 is much wider, almost an L, it feels like a V twin in the low revs and like a GP bike if you dare go above 9K.
I think the 1200f is closer to a V4 Blackbird, just have to flash the ECU and unrestrict it first.
@@RoeyHaviv much wider than what? Engine is physically than the one in vfr800. Two middle cylinders/pistons placed at the back while two other ones (right and left) are in the front of the motor to make it the most narrow and compact big motorcycle for rider there is in its class and adjacent classes. So can't agree with that at all. All other points - spot on with a small caveat: " feels like a V twin in the low revs" if ECU flushed and power unblocked below approx 4k rpms. Also comes with shaft drive and the DCT tranny which I happen to like a lot.
@@gillianzag1174 wider angle V, it’s still narrow between the knees.
I just had the ECU flashed and unrestricted, it mostly made the fueling a lot smoother I like it.
The big Pan is a fantastic bike and why Honda stopped making it is beyond me.
Adventure Tourers - this is why
@@gillianzag1174 yes I see your point, I have a kawasaki gtr 1400 sports tourer simply because I can tour on it plus it also has a sportier side which adverture bikes don't...
Too many potential Gold Wing buyers were settling for an ST 😜
I had an old ST1100, took it from UK to south of France no problems whatsoever & of course you could do same with the ST1300. Great for long distances on fast roads, reliable and not expensive to maintain. The BMWs are more sophisticated but more expensive to maintain & less reliable you choose. A superb bike for the budget conscious is the V Strom 650, stick a Givi Airstream screen on one & you can do pretty much anything with it...
own one (original 2003) at home and hired one (2007 I think) in Germany some years back and took it (the hired one) on the autobahn the only thing that kept me below 160 the whole way was watching it drink fuel by the bucket load - thanks to the fuel consumption info display - before my eyes but at 100 ~ 120 made a great mile muncher) in a decade plus never experienced the infamous "pan wobble.
This just makes the NT 1100 look so good.
But not if you realize the st1300 is 18 years old. Honda could have done a lot better on the NT.
miss my Pan but my current bike, ‘21 Goldwing w/o a trunk, looks a lot like the Pan .. some even call it a ST1800 😊
So sad that the ST was discontinued, I've had four. I would have liked them to re-do it like the Goldwing. I bought a 2016 and 2017 ST when I found out that was it for the line. I have a Goldwing too; they are oranges and apples in comparison.
Hey, the ST more sporty? And the Wing more comfy oriented?
Best of both 👌👏🍻
Just needed a sixth gear and cruise control 😎
I stay in 3rd or 4th the majority of the time, only need 5th for the highway. IMO, the ST doesn’t need a 6th gear.
I've used older iterations of this beauty and really was looking forward to the newly presented Honda NT1100 and came oit of it disappointed. No electric screen no shaft drive no heated seat. Pfff those good old days. You youngsters are already fragile 🤣😉
Me for sure want extra comfort. At that time the Pan European the best for what I needed. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
Just hold on for a while and I bet a new version of the Pan will come out with an updated version of the VFR1200 (maybe lifted to 1300 for Euro5). That is already shaft drive and has a DCT box and was the unit fitted to the VFR1200F so think of a cross between that the bigger tank of the VFR1200 and the better touring bodywork of the ST1300 and pitched between the NT1100 and the Goldwing.
@@jimporter Now this would be exciting. A DCT Pan or something close would be awesome. I also opted for to wait for the next model NT1100 but GT version. Thx ... I'll keep my money in my pocket a little while longer. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
Very good rewiev and also comments afrerwards.
Just a kid even at 40.😄😄 Believe or not we have plenty of corners in the U.S. and certainly a lot of mountains. NT1000 for big old scooter looking thing probably is best kept on European roads.
I have owned a couple of ST 1300’ and yes, they are big and heavy but can be shuffled along in the mountains quite well enough whist offering great comfort and incredible reliability and longevity. All they needed in the end was Cruise Control and a 6 speed trans……but then they would have stole a lot more Gold Wing sales. Horses for course as always 😎👍
Pacific coast next. The 800cc GW :)
Where can I get the ball mount?
The NT has a chain though, which to me dents its practicality. I want a bike I can use all through our British winter without having to go outside and fiddle with a chain...
The Pan was awesome. Simple electronics, updated engine and maybe shedding a few pounds would have made it perfect for today.
Yeh, love the dif drive on a bike, do not miss the chain and sprocket shuffle days, not one little bit. Haven't tried a dct yet, but they sound great too. Njoy evry ride
I agree.....I own two
Successor to the VFR800 ?
I have a ST1100 that I bought new in 1993 and I think it is better than the ST1300
I have an 11 and a 13. Latter is better bike and engine far superior. Tried an NT for a day. Parallel twin is surprisingly good. Panniers awful. No electric screen. No shaft. Excellent handling and comfort but a bit of a let down. But lots of safety tech and well made. I prefer old skool and simple and v4 is the best engine ever made with exception of goldwing 6. Twins are not for touring
Sounds like South Africa has the same problem as Canada, with manufacturers choosing not to bring many of their more interesting models to the market.
is the ST1100 a more stable = safer bike
I have owned one for 6 years. Its a 2002 1st gen ST1300. I can not fault it . Only issue I have had is the clutch slave cylinder seal can fail causing loss of clutch fluid pressure when the bike gets hot . This means you can not select gear and leved bites less than 1cm away from the grip . Other than that a brilliant bike by honda .
WORKING ON GETTING ONE....THE PAN THAT IS...
put 45k on my '05 ....love this bike.
I think that Honda St1300 engine V4 don’t need to adjust valves because the engine V4 is Vehicle engine likely Accord engine.
I have had two ST1300s they are great bikes but dated. They needed to keep it up to date like the BMW R1200RT.
"Ergodynamics" is not a word. It's 2 words smashed together, unpleasantly....
How do yu remove the st1300 weave?
Apparently, you slow down.
Ignoring the high-speed instability issues the ST suffered from, I think the biggest dealbreaker for me would be the looks; I mean, it looks like a big scooter, doesn't it? If I was in the market for a bike in this segment, I'd definitely get the FJR1300, or maybe even a Connie, but for now I'll stick with the Busa 👍
Dunno man looks great to me.
The instability issue only occurred by overloading the rear luggage, and was cured by a number of small changes to the engine mounts and a new crash bar on the left hand side - a recall kit was made available for older bikes, and after 2004 the problem was dealt with in manufacture. Hence the number of these bikes used round the world for emergency and service purposes.
@@PDG1956 I think the weave was never cured, it was reported in bikes from all years, now if you ride fairly sensible it will never be an issue but it would put me off buying an ST1300, Honda missed the mark with the NT1100, it's neither fish nor foul, Yamahas Tracer 9 GT is a much better buy.
can't see it when I'm riding it, and people on lesser bikes opinions don't count - pip pip you slow plebs mind if I barge through... you do? to bad doing it anyway
PS knocks the ST1300 but rides the alien bug Busa? should have gone to Specsavers old boy
Wanted to switch off that high beam all the time...
Here I was thinking South Africa gets all the neat stuff we can't get in the US.
cruisecontrol, heating grips missing otherwise great
How is it possible that some folks still don’t know why Honda included the small LCD below the TFT? It’s because while using CarPlay or Android Auto, the TFT loses the ability to display basic bike data like speed, gear indicator and trip info. So they give you that info below. Isn’t this fairly obvious? Just look at the image of the TFT displaying Android Auto in your own video. Do you see any bike specific data on the s TFT? And yet still after a couple of years on the market, some reviews still point out the LCD and ask “why???”. Did you even bother to ask before you criticized it?
Try the big 57. or the Big 60. or 65. What does that even mean, Hmm? 40 means you are a child...god Bless you young man .
Reliable lovely bike feels like a v4 ducati very relaxing and no electronic rubbish or tft crap bikes are heading in the wrong direction dead end vist dealer cos your tft screen is faulty a massive con
Totally agree , who wants tft and all the gismo stuff ! my st1300 has no abs or electric screen just the basic st1300 also got the st 1100 too
Mine is a st1100 and has crossed the stated five times. The age matters little.
your not missing any thing with Honda's down there, they've become very boring and out of touch. the new 1100 twin is more vibey then my old BMW f900 which is the worst. if you make a touring bike you add cylinders not reduce them. All bike manufacturers cocked up a bit here coz of BMW's GS, thinking we all want adventurer bikes, I was almost sold on the idea, but back here in the Uk and Europe you cant pack a tent and go off road for 5 days, and why would you when you can ride through the mountains of Europe on tarmac. We want touring bikes back.
I understand why people want a ST1300. But once I drove the st1300 and fjr1300 on the same day and from that moment on, it was very clear to me: as long the fjr1300 existed I would never choose the st1300. It simply too much on the tourer side for me.
That’s just a preference then not a criticism. I enjoy the ST1300 ‘ because’ it’s more tourer than the sport.
@@PanRider939 Yes that's my preference. The FJR is much more fun without loosing the characteristics of a tourer. The ST is too dull for me. Sorry.
@@hermanstokbrood I'm 66, I like dull ;-) Enjoy your riding.
@@PanRider939 Fair enough, happy touring 👍
That tractor going in the opposite direction in that tight curve could have turned ugly for a rider not paying attention. Sorry my mistake I should have realize by your accent we weren't in Kansas anymore 😕 🤣😊
I like my 2007 with only 28,700 miles on it. Yeah I know. I'm way behind on my riding time
I randomly discovered this model recently, then got sucked into the sports touring fad of decades gone with the FJR1300, Concourse 14, BMW R1200RS, Moto Guzzi Norge, and last but not least, the Triumph Trophy SE. That bike is what I would buy.
The Trophy has all the comfort, very long range and low fuel consumption, 137hp 3-cylinder engine with character, all the electronics (from 2014), nice luggage, power ports from front to back, at a used price that's not too far from the Honda ST anymore.
The Honda just lacks cruise control and heated grips and the dash looks very dated now.
This model shown has got OE heated grips, controlled by the little panel on the left hand side of the fairing below the fairing glove box lid. At some cost, you can add cruise control from a company called MCCruise, in Australia, but I agree about the dash - does its job, but is dated.
I once drove the st1300 and FJR1300 side by side. The FJR1300 is so much sportier.
They look really nice but a bit wider I think than the ST. My mechanic said he thought plastics a bit low quality comparitively. What puts me off the triumph is it is a bit of an orphan - only about 15 in the country and only seen one for sale which has not moved for a year. Not perhaps an issue in bigger markets close to UK, but I'd worry about spares and their cost in smaller ones.
J'ai essayé le Triumph TT SE j'ai été déçu de son agrément moteur je la trouve moins maniable que la st 1300 le centre de gravité est trop haut sur la TT en revanche elle est mieux équipée c'est ce qu'il manque à la st1300 bonjour de France 😉🇨🇵
Don't they flip over 80mph
A twin will never give the same level of refinement as the ST's V4 (or the Wing's flat 6). It also does not look like a luxury bike like the ST's, the Gold Wing or a BMW RT. I'll stick to my early (1990) ST 1100. When you are as old as I am you can very happily live without all these electronic gadgets. And really ride a bike where the ABS and traction control are you...
Nice bike, but not a sportstourer!? That would be a Triumph sprint ST or a ZZR1400 or a VFR800 or…
the NT is maybe not bad, but is not what we want insded of a Pan, also this adventure style is so silly, its probely fine for some but not for me....
Dan, I do enjoy watchin your show, but pls never ever ever again allow the wind noise get in the way of engine noise and your own voice.
Honda has blown it again. A great engine company that cant make great engines anymore. While every buyer wants decent power to tour with, Honda pumps out parralell twins that don’t compete in performance with any major manufacturer. Now we get a sports touring bike that cant sport and has less power than they had a decade ago. Thanks but no thanks Honda.
NT "nice try"
Why does he continue trying to talk whilst riding when all we hear is wind noise ffs!
Never sell your ST1300. It will last forever and keep its value. Enjoy every moment of your Honda ST1300. This bike pulls like a train and is very agile.
Service intervals are terrible, not my bike!
I have a 2007 ST. Typical Honda. Do regular maintenance and they run forever.
Had one, cooked my plums in the summer.
I had one. It was a big disappointment. Horrible gear whine, clunked into first gear even though I replaced the clutch, no gear position indicator, no 6th gear, dashboard like an 80's arcade game, handlebars too low. Worst of all, it's predecessor the ST1100 was way ahead of it's time so it was a real disappointment to find the ST1300 was way behind the times. They're cheap because they're not very good.
Are you sure you even had a bike...the majority of bikes clunk going into gear. No gear indicator!!! Can you not count to 5!!?? You can easily ad one yourself and why you would even need it is beyond me. The whine you are hearing is your constant negativity.. 1980s arcade dashboard!! Most bikes from this era have similar dashs. No sixth gear, the torque spread of the engine is so good you only need 5 gears. Handle bars too low... Put some risers on it, the bike isn't tailor made for everyone.
Cheap because they're not good. Honda sold millions of the Pans. This bike has circumnavigated the globe. A fantastic machine..
I suggest you stay away from motorcycles as clearly you haven't a clue what youre talking about.
@@Team-fabulous The ST has chain driven cams, not gear driven cams. The whine is caused by the straight cut gear from the crank to the clutch.
Honda did not sell millions of pans. In North America (their biggest market) they sold barely more than 2000 per year at the most.
And you accuse me of not having a clue? Extraordinary you come out with so much 💩without having a single clue yourself.
@@davidellis2021 hhmmmm don't think so.. Put your dummy back in and get back on your tricycle..
@@Team-fabulous I should know, I replaced the clutch on my bike. Suggest you do some research before shooting your mouth off.
@@davidellis2021 ach David. Just because you've made an ejit of yourself.. Don't take on so..
Merry Christmas
2008 for me. Great bike.