Is College Worth It?
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- Опубліковано 2 лют 2023
- During the Q&A portion of Dr Peterson's Anaheim, CA stop of his Beyond Order Tour, an audience member asked Jordan for advice for high school students who feel college is not for them.
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I like that, that “if not college do something just as if not more meaningful, difficult, or productive”
Like stare at the wall
@@maxwelljacobfreedom If you view "staring at the wall" to be more productive than identifying a quality institution and educating yourself, well, that says more about you than anything. I mean, aside from that stellar UA-cam channel you've got there. By the god . . .
@@rjwasser8312 College can be anti-productive. For exemple, teaching you lies. That would be less productive than staring at wall cuz the wall is neutral but college is negative. Although you can transform negative experiences into something better, so the answer is really to face it. Confront the world and learn.
@@rjwasser8312 that idiot is on your team. He has 0 faith in "woke" institutions. Hope youre happy :)
Can you clarify your sentence? Its unclear what quote you are quoting.
What I tell students is that no matter what they do, be an autodidact where you are always learning and improving at something to provide meaning and value.
Yes because college is made for uneducated people.
It's hard when you have much to do for studies
I've especially found this to be true after finishing college. I looked at the people around me and have found that the people who are always curious and constantly striving to learn whether in or out of school in whatever catches their interest are happier and more successful than people who never seem to express interest in anything meaningful and just go through the motions in life
Btw can I ask why do you give a lot of assignments to students? Like sometimes too much assignments leaves the students not interested in the studying the concept’s because they spend too much on the homework. I wish there was other way.
@@jobsmine i think too many assignments make the student feel nervous and make the student forgot the core essence of the assignments and student typically focuses on "what-is-not-part-of-the-assignmnt"
When Jordan Peterson said if it's collage or nothing, it really resonated.
Let me chime in:
When it was time to go to University I didn't feel like studying anymore. But I didn't have any alternative plan. I had noticed peers that didn't go usually ended up just working some random job. So I went to University because I didn't have any alternative plan. But I decided to study something that interested me. Which turned out to be Japanese. I like video games and anime so Japanese was always on my radar.
The results of my actions is I ended up living in Japan for 4 years, received scholarships thanks to my hard work that covered my expenses. I then even did a masters degree in Japan, got a scholarship again, met my wife. Was it the best plan? Who knows, but it was a plan and it challenged me and helped me grow as an individual.
Great story
@@shichilaofa Thank you for the kind words
@@JonBear
"Was it the best plan? Who knows, but it was a plan and it challenged me and helped me grow as an individual." Beautifully said.
Congratulations Jon B, at least you didn't go the short term -easy way and worked your butt off to improve instead. Always pays in a way or another, great story man.
@@epicvideos6227 Thank your kindness. I really didn't expect any reaction to my comment. Pleasantly surprised!
As a sophomore premed college student, I have arrived at the conclusion that college is not for students who want to (1) aimlessly hope college will instill in them some understanding of their career; (2) those who think college is a rite of passage to become an adult; ( 3) those who believe college is an “adventure” and an experience worth pursuing for its own sake because debt seems harmless with government loans; (4) those who have never taken an hour in high school to reflect on why college can benefit them; (5) those who were pressured by family/friends to go to college.
On the contrary, students who go into college with a plan and an understanding of why they should attend are equipped with some of the tools to utilize college to their advantage later in life.
This is something that I didn't want to hear, but I think I needed to hear. I'm both 1 and 5, and maybe more of 2 and 4 than I'd care to admit, and I think a year in I'm arriving at similar conclusions. I've expanded my education quite a bit and am definitely better off than I would have been if I just stayed home and didn't do anything with myself, but it's pretty clear that it won't bring me any of the direction I'm looking for.
@@ante5544 Love to hear the honesty-it’s often hard to admit, but we’re always better off in one way or another as a result of it. Temet Nosce, wishing you the best! 😊
@@learningwithlanden Regarding (1), I think its ok students go into college without a good idea what they want to do with their lives. That's what internships, networking, and classes are for. I'm also premed, but I would not have known what management consulting, investment banking, big law are without the clubs and people I met in college.
The problem is it's just become way too expensive. The statistics show pretty clearly that we benefit as a nation and a planet from as many people as possible being well-educated and highly skilled. College, and more broadly education of all types, should be affordable and accessible to as many people as possible. Even if they don't get a terminal/applied degree, it's still in most peoples betterment to get some kind of schooling (I'm including vocational training as well). According to the National Center for Education Statistics colleges across the board from 1970-2020 are up in cost 2,580.00%. That's generously not including 2020-2023, where everything has skyrocketed in price. I don't have a statistic for the increase in those years but I'm assuming that number is closer to 3,000.00% higher if not more. In that same time-period wages have been relatively stagnant. No one should have to be an indentured servent for 20 years or come from a privledged background to become educated. In the past Johnny or Suzie could go to college, and even if they didn't stick it out it would have been worth it for them to at least try and see if any subject/field will stick. Now people have to promise their first-born children just to try it out and it's not right.
@@Spartan11KIA I mostly agree with that conclusion. I tried to emphasize "aimlessly" instead of just saying "not knowing what they want to do." The former lacks any and all direction and motivation for life beyond college and treats college as like an amusement park; the one you describe requires active involvement to discover what you are passionate about or find generally interesting. Hope that helps clarify :)
as am 19 yo, this advice is just gold for me honestly, i tried something different instead of college and got some similar insights on the topic
Did it work out? I’m 19 in college and just curious
That's honestly very brave of you in this indoctrinated day and age. I was tricked by teachers and society that said if you don't go it's because ur actually dumb, immature, or you know you can't handle it.they also deceived me by thinking if I go all my teenage dreams will come true and magically success is happens after you finish.
@@scottysatpanalysis it's a long story, but the short answer is that while i was focusing in theses other options that i had on my mind, i just decided on something and recently got on college. in my case specifically isn't a necessary step on the path i went with but it will help me someway and made my parents happy
hope that answer it
If you decided not go to college and do something better, like starting a business, then go for it, don't drop out and go travel, those are fun not work, i know people did that, and it was ugly.
lets go out
I didn’t like high school and lacked encouragement, so I didn’t attend college initially, but it’s not like I had a better plan. The time went by quickly and when my high-school friend was approaching college graduation, I remember thinking, “I could have had a degree by now and that would have been better than the nothing I have to show for myself.” However, in six weeks from now I’ll be completing an MBA thanks to advice JBP offered in a short Prager-U clip that spoke to me.
Curious how old are you? That's very good.. I hope you get a good job. I know I graduated and jobs didn't give a shit about my degree one bit 🙃
@@hatersgotohell627 Thanks. I’m 36. It’s a “top 10” school, but I agree that the economic value of higher education is depreciating as they abandon meritocratic standards.
@@abijahmaniaco Ya tbh i was able to work my way up in industry basically by work experience alone. It's that but also that for the first time in history, the last 15 yrs everyone is going to college, meaning the pool of applicants are not high quality like they were in past. In the 1970's for example only the highest quality academic performers were even told to get a college degree.
Have you had interviews where they said to you we need someone with an MBA over a Bachelors for instance? I have not really seen that. The fact you went to a top 10 school though alone is more of a correlation of what type of person you are (able to learn better, well spoken etc etc you name the general trait), rather than I think a causation of being educated by a top 10 school or getting an MBA.
@@abijahmaniaco you look rich, dude
@@abijahmaniaco how did you get into a top 10 school? You mentioned you didnt like high school so I assume your grades weren’t awesome. Did you somehow find a way to be productive in those 4 years after high school?
I needed this advice when I was around 20, cooping myself up in my room full of distractions and comfort from everything but my own thoughts. Even being older it's helpful having the decision making explained so well. Thank you for this.
"Is this not right for me? Or am I just useless and lazy?" the best Self evaluation question, ever!! 😂
The question felt a little too personal 😭
My wife was a college professor, and it's very true there are research professors and there are teaching professors. If you want to go where the teaching professors are go to a community college. The best advice I got growing up was when faced with many choices always chose the one that will give you the most options later in life.
Community College you can't get a bachelors, which is basically mandatory now unless you want to be gatekept from the positions you want. People trying to get into a certain field figure this out pretty quick. If you go to college at some point you have to go to a University.
@@Adrian-gs9er Not if you want to work for Elon
@@Adrian-gs9er Doesn't mean the community college isn't the better option for most upon entry to higher ed. Much lower cost for arguably better instruction during foundational/pre-req courses, and as a bonus punishes people far less for not yet having figured out the path they want to take. For those latter people, I still think its better to work first and finding an industry that suits them before degree seeking to open up the next tier of positions, especially as many industry are not putting more weight into certifications.
@@Adrian-gs9er community college for the first two years and then transfer to a 4 year with only two years remaining. Plus the real value is in those last few years once you get the prerequisites out of the way.
@@bms4654 I found the first two years at CC were outstandingly valuable and the last two years at University were worse than useless. I did mechanical engineering.
I went to see him at the Fox Theater last night. He talks to the audience like he's talking to his friends. He invites you in almost in a way. He also spent 30 minutes answering a single question lol.
Edit: His son is very talented and his wife was a blessing to see. She seems to be happy and healthy.
Man I'm so pissed lol. I didn't know he was coming to Detroit and I missed it. Hope it was good
I was at the fox last night as well, I felt the spirit of God in him when he was talking . Incredible experience I’m glad to meet someone else who was there
In my experience, there are 4 big mistakes people fall prey to. 1.) Going to college and picking a useless major because you like the classes. You need to enjoy your work but you're just gonna end up working a low-paying job that has nothing to do with your "passion" if you aren't slightly practical. 2.) Picking a major you hate just for the money or family pressures. 3.) Dropping out of college because you don't have any idea why you're there and you just want to party. 4.) Not gaining meaningful skills after high school, whether it's through college, the military, EMS, trade school, or work experience (through a job that can lead to better things). Ultimately, don't waste your time.
Steve Jobs attended college for engineering, but he didn't enjoy the traditional classes. So he dropped out of his major, and took classes that interested him instead - art classes, Japanese flower arranging (Ikebana), etc. He credited these classes for stimulating his creative side, and for helping him to emphasize "design". And he incorporated this philosophy into his Apple products. Oh, and he also liked to party and do LSD....
@@user-sg8kq7ii3yand he also had kinda rich parents no?
@@user-gu8hp4zj8w No, his parents were not rich. His parents did not go to college. His dad dropped out of high school and worked as a mechanic and later joined the Coast Guard. He later worked as a machinist. His mom was a book keeper. He attended one-year of college, but dropped out because he did not want to waste his parents' money. He did drugs, slept on the floor at his friends' dorm rooms, and collected recyclable cans to earn money. He audited classes instead, and he took a calligraphy class. He said that one calligraphy course provided him with the ideas and the inspiration for many of the design features of Apple products.
So, no...Steve Jobs did not have "rich parents". He was a self-made billionaire. But even if he did have rich parents, what does that have to do with anything?
I did a semester of college and the work was just too tedious and useless, I felt like I could’ve been pursuing more productive stuff
💯💯
Out of curiosity, how did that work out? What things did you pursue as a successful alternative?
@@travisfox7590 meh, it’ll work out just fine but whatever I figure out I certainly don’t wanna be in college. Too woke, too much debt, and the college degree is losing its value
@@BrickwilliamsInternet has made higher education Institutes obsolete.
@@al-imranadore1182 yes, you can watch Harvard lectures online for free, companies are starting to value the college degree less and less, biden gives student forgiveness because the democrats are the party of the oligarchy and rich, not the republicans. Republicans are the working middle class
I really appreciate her just letting him speak and say what he wanted to say. He is often long-winded, and not a word he says is wasted time. He is always very informative and helpful to anyone he can be helpful to. Peterson you're a fantastic person and we're glad you exist.
This is exactly what I tell the youth I mentor. Great advice
Thank you so much for being genuinely expressive at your work. You are a voice of reason and I appreciate that. I certainly do not agree with everything you think of but I fully support your right and effort to speak. I think therefore I am! Of course I would support you. Anyone genuine and less ignorant should! God bless you!
This was helpful, thank you. Tammy, you are so beautiful, I love seeing you on stage and hearing your soft lovely voice. 😊 You both inspire me.
This is really good advice. If you have to think about whether you want to go to college or not, you're probably exactly the kind of person who *needs* to. Those who don't need to go to college are the kind of people who would visit their local mechanic on the weekends for fun and plan on going to trade school, or those who spent much of their childhood in their parent's factory who are expected to eventually run the company, or those who have been contributing to online repositories since middle school and have the connections and experience and projects to justify starting their own business or pursuing alternative sources of education.
If you are considering whether or not to go to college (and also want to own a home, start a family, live without thinking about money, etc.), then there should be something that separates you dramatically from your other high school peers and lays out a clear alternative path. If the reason you're considering not going to college is because you don't want to take an algebra class ever again, you probably should.
I feel like this comment was thrown directly to me. Wow! Powerful words thanks
It was an unexpected joy to get three Petersons for the price of one! I don't think I'll ever get over the thrill of having you guys talk and sing in my comparatively small town of Peoria IL.
I turn 18 this year it's the beginning of my second year in college and to be honest I still have mixed feelings. I sat down and carefully chose a degree to pursue and equally good alternatives. Now I'm in school and I seem to have lost interest so I'm trying to ignite that spark again (for starters I now sit at the first three rows in any class I have to take and show up at least 30-45min before the lecture begins). I somewhat made new friends, more like they just showed up when I needed them. So it's time to TAKE ACTION. I don't believe education is a scam when done correctly.
Please watch who you hang out with or you'll eventually end up resentful of some people even though they may not necessarily have done bad things to you.
Going into debt, going to college, and not knowing what you want to be, or what a college offers you, is the worst plan. As someone who has been to college, I recommend you don't go to college unless you absolutely know what you want to be, 10 years from now, and require a college degree to get there.
90% of jobs careers don't require a degree, but work experience, or sales experience. Invest in that.
Thats a gold comment.
Sadly even in 90% of those 90% jobs they want experience and its not negotiable.
The problem is to get that experience without the education
@@MiriadCalibrumAstar And 90% of those 90% are/or will be outsourced for global competition (ei. cheaper salaries). Then I predict 100% of those 90% will be done by AI. Can you pass the ketchup and cyanide please?
@@1guitar12 indeed.
I was thinking these days, shouldn't it be better to remove and prohibit any sort of monetary charge on education be the best option aviable? No barriers, no more incompetent people(most of them) , learning to a better job, to be able to gain more money to spend on tax(and mainly houses, food, commodities, basic necessary stuff) to support other things(healthcare, pensions, goverment affairs, military even....)
I too thought this way and now I’m the not so cute lost 40yo.
I regret that thought. As much as it makes sense and is entirely truthful.
Learning a trade is a very good alternative in some parts of the world.
Now it's the better option in most parts of the world.
I wish I got this advice when I was 23 and depressed and identity-less as heck. Being useless and lazy 100% sucks the older you get.
I'm in that phase now, useless and lazy, any advice? Because I'm completely lost...
@@kossonar2663 find a job and stick to it. At least 30 to 40 hours a week
Ah...Come on snotty its all perspective. Remember the golden rule? Hard work can pay off in the future, but laziness pays off NOW. Chin up.
@@1guitar12 well said!
@Joshua W That's where I'm at, you want me to stick with a shitty job for the rest of my life?
There's so much you can and will learn about yourself through attending college. I teach my sons early thar college attendance and completion is a part of their educational plan and the experience is what I want them to look forward to. College degrees won't make you rich and don't guarantee you a path toward being a "millionaire". But the experience is unlike any other period in your life and it will enrich you in a way that is lifelong and unending. The only thing I can compare it to is parenthood...people can explain the experience to you all day but you have to experience it yourself in order to fully get the impact.
3:29 This was my experience at the university I went to 2 years ago, but instead of 1 in 4 classes being bad, it was 3 in 4. I wish I thought of using the rate my professor website to look at how students rated the available professors for the classes I was signing up for sooner. I ended up leaving that university the next school year and starting at the local community college because i couldn't afford continuing at the university. Tbh, I'm glad that happened since university was way overpriced and it turned out I was taking the wrong major for what I wanted to do in life. To be fair, it took me a while to figure out what I wanted to do since all I knew is I wanted to do computer hardware stuff and I saw the Computer Engineering major and thought that would fit well with what I had in mind. After that 1 year, I realized Computer Engineering is not what I had in mind since it turned out to be both coding and electrical engineering. I knew it would have coding, but the electrical engineering is not what I wanted to be doing. That experience really forced me to think about what it was that I wanted to do. I knew I was interested in building computers and wanted to work with computer hardware (this is where the confusion happened when I was selecting my major). I eventually found out what I wanted to do was tech support. Funny thing is if I realized this sooner, I could've taken the academy class 2 of my friends took back when we were still in high school. Only problem is my school didn't properly explain what the academy classes were and I couldn't even ask my counselor since she was always busy doing stuff in other parts of the school, so she was almost never in her office which is also why I never got my senior year school ID, but that's unrelated. So yeah I had no idea that class even existed until my friends took it, but by then it was too late because it was already my senior year which is a shame because you can get actual official tech certifications from taking that class. Anyway, I'm just gonna stop here because this comment has gone on for way too long, but one last thing before I stop. Switching to community college was way worth it. The tech support program here is only 1 year and it only cost me about $3k. Meanwhile, I learned almost nothing at the university, and 1 year there left me with $18k of debt. That's with the help of financial aid, btw. It would've been $30k if I didn't have financial aid. 10 times the amount for the same amount of time.
Sorry for the essay comment.
One of the best answer and video I ever seen sir
I never really knew my grandfather / grandmother.... but I almost feel like I'm coming to know one when I listen to Peterson.
Love this!
I did the "try a semester" strategy and honestly it's not worth the debt, either you have a plan in which you are prepared for or don't go. No in between.
Also don't take out a mortgage of debt to go into something that doesn't get you anywhere.
I learned so much more (and more rapidly) from more of my teachers at community college than I did from many of those in undergraduate university. I think part of it was luck. My community college had a lot of academic clubs in which people were very engaged. At the university level that wasn't the case and it was shocking to me. Even in my graduate schooling, people were not so excited for academics and that was *extra* puzzling. While I later learned that the grad school I attended was considered a "party school", but even still; grad school (just about anywhere) is absolutely no gimmie.
I ended up going to a tech bootcamp for 10 months instead of a traditional university. I ended up with significantly less student debt than I would have if I went for another 4 years at uni, and found myself a significantly better job than the one I had been working for the previous 4 years. If I had gone the traditional uni route, I probably would have been stuck at my dead-end job for another 4 years on top of the 4 years I already spent there. And I would be paying off way more debt. I will be done paying my debt by the end of this year. My bootcamp ended at the beginning of 2022.
Which tech bootcamp? I'm looking for something like that
@@TupSteMa I went through the Cyber Security bootcamp at SDSU but honestly anything that has career counseling will get your foot in the door somewhere by the end. I got an internship directly from going through the bootcamp
What I found out quickly from taking a computer science class in Uni is that it is by no means for everyone. No way would’ve passed without a friendly kid giving me all the code I needed to pass. Never again.
@@TarnishedProductions did you do any programming? What math was involved if any?
@@ThatGuy68580 it was a cyber security course. there was no math involved. we did do a bit of programming in python but it was a short module and definitely not the main focus of the course
I got my degree and thought I didn't learn much. HOWEVER, later in life I was interested in doing some high-level, more actionable, work-related qualifications, and that was the point I was truly thankful I had done college, as some of my fellow students who weren't as educated had an extremely rough time. You never know...
Exactly what I'm going through right now. I don't want to regret not finishing college later in life
Yeah and once you have a degree, in the future you may choose to do a Master's degree if things are going well (a graduate degree if you are from the US). It is solid foundation is what it is. You don't want to be in your 30s-40s going back to freaking college...
@Thawne1338 Just drink a lot of coffee and respect the bubble while you are in there. All those theories I learnt, I have forgotten. All of them, and none applicable in real life whatsoever. But at that time they meant the world to me, and I geeked out about them, I had to.
@@marcog3529 thank you for this comment. I’m current a psychology major and I’ve been feeling pretty bad about not retaining general information that’s not related to my major. But I guess everyone learns what they need to learn and everything else is filtered
Great point, great suit.
I hold 2 engineering degrees with a GPA above a 3.0 on both of them. I struggled to find a job in my field of study after my graduation. Right now, I’m only making $15.50/hr. So for me, it was not worth it. I can imagine millions of people are in similar predicaments as mine.
Which degrees are they?
That is very surprising. This might make sense if you recently graduated since the job market for engineer is getting bleaker by the day . However keep your head up. the world is deglobalizing and we are heading into war, so your skill set of making things to blow up other things will defiantly come in handy. good luck
@@kiara4345 I have a BSME, bachelor of science in mechanical engineering. And a master’s in aerospace engineering. I could be a math or science teacher with all that knowledge I’ve retained!
@@AndySaenz Oh damn. At the very least you could be a math teacher, that is right. I really wish I could help you, but not much comes into mind, and you probably already tried it. I was considering mechanical engineering myself (still am), but at the end I went for math.
@@AndySaenz So what are you doing wrong? You're obviously doing something wrong here when you hold valuable and in demand degrees and you're unable to find a job. The fact you're making UA-cam videos sitting around with degrees that easily could be making you 100k a year is proof enough...
This advice is really good for countries where you have no college tuition. I come from the Czech Republic and we pay nothing for college education. We can try and see if it's for us with no real consequences and it seems so insane to me that people go in debt just to get a degree. I think this advice is not good enough when you go in debt just to make sure that college is not indeed for you xD
Keyword was college vs “nothing.”
@harryl7367 mood, that was option. College and try to get a degree or stay in poverty and work at McDonald's. In choosing try to get a degree and better my situation, if I get the degree the likely hood of bettering my life goes from a 0 to a least a 10% as long as I finish the degree and get a job within my field. Dealing with debt responsibly and understanding that it's okay to be in debt, it's not the end of the world you just have to make the commitment and pay it off no slacking. If I get the job with the epa even better I can apply for reimbursement on my loans because it's working in the public service industry for the government.
Great comment but just remember that nothing is free. If the government “gives” you something it’s your own money paying for it and they’re going to take a cut in the form of power .
I went to University to study computer science, best 3 years of my life so far, i'm only 21 btw, I've a recently landed a well paying job that i'm 5 months into, I know not everyone is into a 9-5, but I enjoy my job and I get to do all my hobbies outside of it too without having to worry about money. I live extremely comfortably.
For anyone going to college or University make sure your degree is useful and is in high demand, study the stuff you enjoy in your own time but at University do something that will land you a very high paying job
We live in the information age where knowledge is right at our fingertips. You can Google take online courses.
I didn't to school for businesses.learned all about it through e books online.
No one is going to hire an accountnat, engineer, eitc, because they graduated google university
I didn’t have a clue as to what I wanted to do when I was in high school. My grades weren’t amazing, I was average with As, Bs, and Cs, so I didn’t think going to a university was a good idea (because I wasn’t great at studying). I didn’t even know what kind of a job I was interested in. Vocational training was for people who didn’t do well in school (this was the early 1990s) and I felt like I didn’t want to get trapped there. So, my parents got me a meeting with a recruiter for the Army (my mom pretended to be me, which the recruiter pointed out when I got there). I joined the reserves because I figured it was more of a dabble in military life than full fledged 24/7 living. I could stay home most of the time. Thank goodness I did that. They organized me, taught me protocol for situations, and gave me goals. I’ve been out for over 20 years but I think it was good. I even went to community college and got a degree. Jobs were much easier to obtain too.
Absolutely love Dr. Peterson’s Two Face suit. It’s just brilliant. He’s clearly in touch with his inner monster.
I think he gave a really good response about why you shouldn't choose not to attend as an excuse to wander aimlessly. I went to college, but I wouldn't say the benefits derived from getting a degree is commensurate to the cost of tuition. I guess it depends on the field of study, but for a lot of disciplines, you can get an education for free by reading online. Of course there's the accreditation problem where employers list an undergraduate degree as a basic requirement for hiring during the screening process, but there are certainly ways of climbing the corporate ladder with experience even if it may be more difficult. And as Peterson mentioned, there's a myriad of other avenues like the trades or the military. I don't think everyone coming out of high school is cognitively suited for the academic world, anyway.
College debt in the US is the only debt that you cannot escape. They can provide you no value and that debt will grow and if you get a job they can take it out of your paycheck.
It is a terrible idea to go to college or nothing else. Nothing else cost much less time and money.
It’s good advice. Have a plan, and if college is part of executing that plan, great. If your plan does not improve with college, then great.
But they have to know whether the plan requires a college degree or not. And if their plan has a college degree in its path, they need to ensure their financial situation is ok and they shouldn't be afraid of staying in-state for cheaper tuition
This is good advice. It would be interesting to hear the 30 year old version as well for those that feel like they've faltered
My freshman year, I took a geography course taught by a man who'd started college when young, decided it wasn't for him, and joined the workforce. A couple of decades down the road, he felt differently, went back to college with an iron will, and became a professor. Life is complex, but there's almost always time to turn it around.
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100%. I have a bachelor's degree in a field I'm no longer pursuing (political science). At 37 and recently divorced with a job where I'm intent to get out of debt, I feel as though I'll soon be at an impasse: 1.) pursue further education to have a new career on the other side of my current job, 2.) having left this job with much less debt, use my financial freedom to work for Christian non-profit.
Good news is, I have time on my side. It'll take 18 to 24 months to get out of debt, mostly student loans, to buy myself time and cash flow a couple community college courses to iron out whether college 2.0 and a career is right for me - and whether that can work in conjunction with overseas nonprofit work while still avoiding secondary educational loans. Good news is, Peterson Academy is launching in November of this year. I am open-minded to pursue that, specifically the courses on psychology. In my 20s, I was fooled into thinking a bachelors based off of my interests would open more doors then what it did. In my 30s, I'd like to pursue specialized knowledge while avoiding the mental trap endemic (thankfully decreasingly so) in American culture: the must-have-a-degree mentality .
Learning a new langauge is one of those alternative, that works well too.
This man gives you the best gift you can give to an insecure man: a challenge. He challenges you, thus forcing you to actually be who you would love to be. He does not tell you "you're beautiful" "you're special", he actually cares about you as a person.
Thank you!
I went to college, studied computer forensics & cyber security, and got a job in my field. However, I'm not letting myself be confined to this role for life. I have free will to do whatever I want in my lifetime. When I can, I pursue interests that I can monetize over time so I can transition out of my career for more meaningful and creative ventures. I.e. youtube, music, etc.
awesome advice
back in 2018, I dropped out of college after freshman year. I picked up a yellow pages book and dialed up 100+ numbers until I reached one store that would take me in to learn the craft. IT worked, I started working for a factory out of LA doing menial tasks but on the sidelines I studied how everything came together from a business standpoint. I saved all my money for 4 years, and I decided to come back to college last year. During those times, I was obviously missing out on the college life that so many kids romanticized about, and it caused me a great deal of suffering and pain. However, upon coming back I was more sharper as a person and I was keen to understand the difficulties of life that most students next to me didn't know how to handle on their own. In other words, I grew up fast. Was it the right kind of medecine? Im not sure, but I know that today, tomorrow, will always be much better than yesterday or the day before. I just got my first internship at a faang company, and it seems as if it paid off.
I dropped out of college around 2015. Was lost in life fell into severe depression had some help and slowly picked myself up doing trash jobs to be somewhat independent from my parents. Currently 27 in the middle of my third year on Business/accoutning with a 3 month internship this upcoming winter working 60hr weeks on taxes. Ofc i wished i was a role model student and graduated and worked a career by 22-23 but after falling rock bottom i learned alot about myself, learned alot about fake friends that are around you, learned things i stopped caring about like social media or validation from others.
@@Astelch You’re living life man. Doing the best you can. You’ll be okay. Hang in there!
Can always go back to college doesn't have to be right after high-school. I graduated into the work force and then 9 years later went to college and got my 1st degree at 32 when I was more financial secure and knew what I wanted to do.
What did you end up studying
His suit jacket is just amazing.
I think Jordan's bespoke wardrobe and his overall style are super dapper, he has a smart somewhat idiosyncratic flare for fashion, which compliments his august personage, but I have to respectfully disagree. I think the jacket made him look more like an entertainer rather than a public intellectual
I post poned my college to build a business. And make stable finance, I know my purpose and had a plan.
I had a dream I need to work out to. But I was not sitting all day doing nothing, that was the depressing part, being relaxed and lost. I need to be innovated, to do something better.
It really depends on the person, go with your interests
Community colleges are absolutely fantastic! For the price you pay it can’t be beat! Iv had some of the best professors at community colleges. Better than most of them at a university I’m at! Also look for shortened intense programs! If your only at college for 2 years you save so much money it’s crazy! Doing a 2 year 8 week semester certification program rn and I’m coming out debt free!
Community college has been absolutely fantastic for me, and tuition is almost completely free in my state. I had no idea what I wanted to do going into college, so I am eternally grateful that I picked a community college to start.
I had no choice when I was a naive 17 yo boy that knew NOTHING about real life (world, how it works), back in the 90¹s, having to choose my destiny for the rest of my life. Then I decided to go to college, after studying a lot to a selective process (with a strong "encouragement" of my parents). Now Iˋm 48 and sometimes I think: " itˋs not fair a 17 yo boy have to decide his future at a such young age.
No matter what people say, college is extremely hard. The workload is unforgiving. I have never worked a job that required a workload that a college semester did. When you get a degree, you have accomplished something very difficult.
Agreed.
Depends on how smart you are. Work smart (if IQ permits), not hard.
Thank you Jordan. ✝️❤️
I have to mention that this is really a fantastic suit.
I think we forgot what it means to go to college. At least I had to learn that I went for the wrong reason. I went to become an engineer, but I also didn't really know what I wanted to do with it, so i kinda just went along to get along.
I think that someone who wants to go to college needs to know why they're going. Not "I want to be a CPA, or an MBA or an engineer" but what what do you want to do with this skills?
College is a means to an end, not something you have to go through. Especially now, with college having to take on the responsibilities of general education that public schools failed with, the purpose of college has being obfuscated. You go to college because you already chose a goal, not to find one. Maybe in the past when it was cheap to go, you could just fuck around for a while and find yourself, now you really need to understand the path you're choosing.
so, if someone wants to become an MBA but they don't know what they are going to do with that skill, they shouldn't go to college at all?
@@pam2083 no. An MBA is a really expensive degree. If you come out of it not knowing what is your next step, you probably don't have a job waiting for you for the house you just bought.
@@pam2083 I don't think you need a specific job lined up, but a general idea of what your responsibilities will be once you are done with the degree and what your day to day will look like.
so did you drop out of college?
@@pam2083 Na. I finished, barely. I never found a purpose while in college. I was not in the best mindset.
I would say if you don't choose College (ie a 4 year degree), at least receive some training that is useful in making a liveable income. My younger brother took a course at a tech college and became a Welder. I went to a Bible College for one year, and realized at the end of that year that the degree I was pursuing wasn't really what I wanted to do in life, and I would be paying off $100,000 or more for years to come. So I left that, and worked full time for a year. Then, I took a Nursing Assistant course and my State Exam to become a CNA. My goal was to work with Nurses to get a feel for Healthcare and see if I would be interested in becoming a nurse myself. After three years of CNA work, I was seriously burned out and needed to get out of Healthcare (it's not a job for everyone). I worked in manufacturing a short time, then retail and customer service. And recently, I got my CDL (Commercial Driver's License) and I serve my community by driving school bus. I make $20/hr, and am able to work around taking care of my eight month old son. I no longer believe the lie my High School told me about 'HAVING TO GO TO COLLEGE' or a person would end up earning minimum wage. It's a myth. Don't by into that. There are plenty of decent jobs that provide good training that don't put you in debt up to your eye balls and still pay very well.
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In my experience if you’re at college with the mentality that “I’m just here to be here and get my degree and go “ or “this is a waste of time and money “ then yeah college would be a waste for you in both time and money but for me personally I’ve always saw it more as a development field like whatever you want to learn about college can teach the resources at every university big or small are more than enough to make a life that would typically be happy and grateful to have so really if college is a waste all depends on you or not
Wow… makes so much sense. Lucky for young kids to get advice now that we get in our 40s!!
Are you really socrates i hear your quotes often
No, but I think Jordan Peterson could be the new Socrates 🤔
Hope he doesn’t have to drink the conium!
There’s an alternative, to work at any entry level job in a field you’re interested in so you get some experience about what you’re actually interested in. Most people go to post secondary education because they think they need to get a secondary education for the sake of the education itself. That is not how you should be choosing. You either know what you’re interested in, or you need to go out and get experience to figure out what it is you’re interested in.
An entry level job like wehat, flipping burgers, cashier, loading trucks?
I wanna see Jordan wearing the Same outfit with blue pants this time ☯️
college turned out to be a big waste of time for me. in retrospect i think i should have taken up a trade. i dont think public schools put enough emphasis on life after you graduate and too much on college. senior year in high school should just be a string of exploratory apprenticeships where you try out several jobs in different fields for a couple weeks each, and you might get to try out a college class or two as part of that as well. i think mike rowe made the case that a future blue collar worker might start out with a loan on a work truck and some tools and that was roughly equivalent as a future white collar worker taking out a student loan. the schools seem to discourage the blue collar jobs almost entirely, yet thats most of the work force.
I remember sometime after I graduated high school (about a decade ago) I told my dad I wanted to enter a trade for plumbing or electrical; I just didn't care for college much. Him, being the ultimate baby boomer, gaslit me saying "Oh you don't want to do that!"
He then complained EVERY SINGLE TIME about how expensive college is when I had to sign up for classes. I'm like "Bruh YOU'RE the one pushing this!"
What I got from this video is always have a plan A, B, C etc. Everyone is not to be a worker or a boss . Nowadays damn near every career field it business venture has some type of risk, nothing is 100% safe.
I have come to conclusionn, College/ University is not for job searching but for selth growth as a human being and a person. I have learned so much while studying history of warfare and the mandatory lessons from other topics that I understand how little I knew really before.
You are there to become a better person, not to earn a living tho that is good if you manage to do so. I have just passsed my 5th semester if you are wandering about that.
I'm in my last semester of college, and while I can say I have personally benefited from my experiences, not everyone will most likely. If you're going to go to college: have a plan. Have a couple of USEFUL majors in mind, a school you're going to, where you'll live, etc. Get in and get out. I wasted so much time and while I do regret it, it taught me how valuable time really is. You won't learn much from your studies unless you're an engineer, but you will meet plenty of people who you'll hopefully have around you for years
I mean I disagree, to a certain extent. I feel like it's okay to not have a plan, it's a part of learning and self discovery to find out who you and what you'd like to do. Most people even well into their 40s have no idea what they want to be. These children will change their minds, that's okay make mistakes grow up learn from them. Education is a wonderful opportunity, don't go to college to fuck around of course go to learn, to discover. Find yourself, find what you like, it took me a couple of years to of switching majors to find and settle on environmental science. While ots more math heavy as a result of the soul searching and just taking core classes I've finished off a good 57 of the 120 credits needed for my degree.
And that's also a bit biased to say you won't learn much from your studies unless your an engineer, I've learned a fuck ton in terms of science, math well not so much since most of the pre req. Math classes all feel the same as the last one. But that doesn't mean you don't learn anything from it.
And another thing I can disagree with is meeting people you'll have around for years, everyone I've met in college has been on their own course and adventure. No ones going to stop and talk for more then a few minutes when they have a full time load, work, volunteer are apart of of clubs.
@@Name.......... No offense, but that's pretty terrible advice for someone today. 20 years ago, I'd say that's great. Go to college and "find yourself", sure. But that sounds like the same recycled advice our parents tell us nowadays. Going to college and "finding yourself" is the equivalent of getting dicked down every other night for girls and having an extended childhood for guys. Trust me, I've seen both sides. That's why I say go in with a drawn out plan or it's a huge waste of time. Many of the people I know didn't even graduate, I'd say like half never even made it out because they simply didn't plan for it
As an engineer, I concur.
I disagree about college. College ruined me financially for a very long time, and now many of the jobs I apply for don't require it.
What field are you in? 😳
Start a business.
thank you
I’m in the middle of deciding to go to university or go full time and this really put things into perspective thank u
University all the way. You can go full-time after you’re finished with uni.
Going full-time won’t be as beneficial as a college degree (status) in 4 years time
Yeah, I'm in University now and don't regret anything!@@hate-cw3ki
Hit suit is fire 🔥
I'm one of those people who chose between college and nothing. Thankfully I chose college. Over a year in and I still don't know what I'm going to do, but dang, something is *so* much better than nothing.
Do nursing it’s worth it
@@lang6626 What makes you say that
@@ante5544 I mean anything to do with healthcare will always be in demand unlike Tech industry which is very unpredictable. So if you’re going to college to pursue either of the two then nursing/med is a promising career.
@@lang6626 I think that's sound advice for most. I've learned with time that my gut is often wiser than my brain, and my gut tells me I have more to offer the world outside of medicine, so I really am not looking into it. But I respect nursing as a profession, and it is definitely a fallback if it turns out my uncertainty comes from fear and lethargy rather than good intuition.
@@lang6626How do you know that? What if in 50 years there’s AI robots that can do a better job for most or all of healthcare and it’s just engineers left optimizing the robots?
jordan all slick, what a style
The characterization of College and Young Adolescence is PERFECT. You have to wonder how he is able to do this in spite of being a part of the College system. Most people are biased by their own identity. He isn't.
I didn't have an important reason to go to college, ( and I think that's very important) it was meaningless for me, and I ended dropping out 2 times. It is a big mistake in the sense that choosing not to go to college because you rather do something easier( without admitting to yourself that's kind of the reason you chose it because then you would notice the mistake and doing the lazy thing would become harder) means you're telling your mind to look for the easy way out, and the fruit from the cultivation of that mindset it's nothing but hell, because let me tell you something fellas, the easy way out doesn't even exist. Specially when it comes to reaching your dreams/goals. The easy way out just plainly and simply leads you to depression, emptiness, anxiety, and lack of meaning. The idea of an easy way out ( or free things) is as fake as Santa Claus and the quicker you realize it the better.
It costed me a fair amount of time and money to pay for therapy because my life fell apart, and I grew a lot both personally and intellectually ( even though I was not in college), and now I'm studying a new language abroad for a whole year, and will definitely 100% get back to college once I'm done with this project. I am now the type of person that generally strives for doing hard things ( as I came to understand those are the only ones who can bring any good to my life), and even though I work a whole lot more, I'm WAY happier this way.
I hope you can help yourself with this, have a great day!
Man I was really eager to learn and always yearn for more knowledge until I entered to a university. Now I have become bitter, angry and overwhelmed with every assignment, projects and deadlines from our professors. I really love the career (aeronautical engineering) I’m pursuing, but our professors are exactly what JB explained in this. They are terrible communicators; they only focus on their research. So they overload us a ton of assignments that once I did them, i never wanted to study the lectures nor concepts that I really like. By the end universities become all about completing the assignments, and not about understanding the knowledge behind concepts that I’m interested. And when you’re like that you’ll hate the system. In the end most students go out with more confusion, and lack confidence in their knowledge.
Go to college shouldn't be the default choice, there's tons of other things you can do and learn outside of college. I agree, in most cases it's better than nothing but I still wouldn't make it a blanket response though. It's much too financially costly to go in without a plan. I also disagree with the whole "buying a title" thing. It's much too costly a price to pay for a phony veneer.
After high school I did exactly what he proposed to not do at any cost, I just sat down and did nothing ...blocked every possible development I could produce as a young man and kept me several years behind in life. Can't think of anyhting more catastrophic for a young man.
How is that even possible? Did you at least lose weight while you were in a coma?
@Thawne1338 I haven’t been in a coma
@@martinlutherkingjr.5582 it’s possible to not to nothing. I worked for this one company for 10 years as a cashier 😅
Money is worth what money is worth. That's the beauty of money, it provides a numerical value upon which one can mathematically judge what is worth trading for it.
That suit is flawless.
I never got to finish high school, coming from a poor family, even though I would have loved to have been able to study, but it was not a option in my life, than by 23 I was diagnosed with cancer a genetic mutation type, and have survived 38 years of 4 cancers, and many operations, what I do now with my life is watch many podcast with emeritus professor's of interest in conversation with professor Jordan Peterson . Im learning everyday in many more wonderful ways everything I would have wanted to learn 38 years ago.
To be free to learn away from indoctrinated universities, is freedom it's as powerful as surviving many cancers, in my body, from not taking chemo, or radiation therapy, as advised by medical professionals,
To me or to you listen to your intuitive self, just know God has a destiny for us, trust your own right to think for yourself, be brave become the fire bird the phoenix rise out of the ashes, and live a memorable life,
Yeah, mid 30s here, went to college merely because “that’s what you’re supposed to do” and not because I had any sense of a concrete future for myself. Changed majors almost every semester, got massively discouraged in classes that were those two kinds JP mentioned: either taught by researchers or front-loaded with useless ideological BS. Finally just stopped in my mid 20s with about $30K in student loans and no degree to show for it.
Been working in a boiler room at a local plant for >7 years now, but only because someone had put one foot in the door and their other foot up my ass. I have basically no conscientiousness to speak of other than being extremely risk-averse, which is only useful in keeping me away from drugs, crime, and immediately dire situations. Very out-of-focus yet oncoming threats? Practically making a beeline for them.
The really surreal thing? Watching the world really tear itself apart now, seeing plans and dreams crumble and once proud people with bright futures shrivel up with anxiety and depression driving them to the brink of self-termination, yet here I am like “this is just Tuesday”.
It’s also kinda wild that my one close friend is on the other extreme end of conscientiousness (like 96 on a scale of 0-100). I suppose what draws us together is our shared levels of low extraversion and high openness. During a low point of mine I asked what she saw in me to keep me as a useful friend, and she basically said that when she’s burned out by a fight she can’t seem to win I can usually provide some perspective or inspiration on the situation that empowers her, because I spend most of my time playing with ideas like a cat plays with prey. I never do anything with my ideas, and if they don’t go anywhere I walk away, but the moment they twitch I pounce on them again with pupils dilated.
And now I don’t remember where I was going with all this . . . or even if there was ever a destination 😅
Text books become a reference for the future if you know you are going into battle 💪. Battle meaning out into the workforce. You can't always depend on Google. Sometimes you have to rely on staff
Im 21 and im on a cinema university but i don’t believe in myself more due to bad experiences and trauma, all i do is staying on the bed and not going outside much besides my friends that propose me to go out. I truly fucked up and need to get better fast
I was at this one live let's go 💪
community college and state university is the way to go. Unless you're looking for a specific pathway. Then going to a more prominent school would be better.
i like to say that if you have a passion that is not in college, follow it
Hey Jordan, I use the software Auphonic to equalize the volume of the audio of my podcast, its a great web page, and they offer 2free hours of processing, I think this would improve these talks you give!
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Yes
By the way Jordan, your suit is so cool!!! 😎
That suit jacket 😂
God damn Jordan Peterson's suit is looking pretty fire 🔥
Something is better than nothing. but you can do more than "something". You can do something phenomenal.
Someone has gotta flip those burgers
I have to ask, "Am I trying to stop pursuing this because it is too difficult and of my laziness, or is there truly a better alternative?"
Good way to do this is to find alternatives that are equally or more difficult to pursue.
I’m getting my Bachelors in business this year. And even though I’m
My personal opinion a large portion that go to college didn’t really need to: their profession does NOT use the skills or knowledge they learned in college and they learn most of what they need on the job.
It's worth it if you are joining a professional body after graduating or there is direct access to the professional body through a work placement associated with it. Degrees that have practical elements like Medicine. I never went to college and I regret it both for the security element of a professional job and money, I'm doing alright now but don't get trapped in shitty work because it's a toll on you mentally let alone physically nothing worse in the world than being broke, go to college and steer clear of bullshit degrees.
I am 24 and went directly into the work force and learned how to code with books. I become competent to make a video game and i live in a studo apartment by myself.
Good job, I'm sure you're parents are proud of you. And they might be more proud by the time you find a lovely partner to the your knot (if you have not done so already)
@@billyevans4929 idk. I feel college is only worth it if you get a scholarship.
@@woddlyoats or if you're rich and saved up enough money to not be in debt afterwards. Either way, it's a big investment in one's life and it's not an easy decision to make. If one does persue college, then they should take advantage of all the resources to make their money worth it
You've got to love his heaven and hell suit. Unique and cool af
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