0:01 Funfact, If you look at the Monaco-Qualifiying in 1983 and 1992 you see that Brabham was nearyl 3 seconds faster in 1992. But they failed Qualifying in 1992 while Piquet was 6th on the grid in 1983. Shows how fast development can go.
There was a great quote on bring back V10s by Glenn Freeman that went something like "Brabham became competitive and uncompetitive depending on who had the keys to the factory that week". Not his exact words but it was something like that
Brabhams downfall began in 85, thanks to the Pirelli,s , but the real nail in the coffin was the Dead of de Angelis , Which had a great effect on the whole team ,
@@nedzosf1gridbox Yup caused the fallout between Gordon Murray and Bernie which led him to go McLaren and they lost their designer which made them great and never recovered If you ever have time read up on the 1986 car it was an interesting concept that produced excellent straight line speed but had no reliability due to the engine being turned on its side and the gearbox which was a specially created 7 speed manual
It’s a very marmite livery. I love it because it’s got bright colours but it’s not in your face, but I know some people hate it. I remember a few years ago seeing it in a “top 10 worst f1 car liveries of all time” list which I thought was unwarranted.
@@nedzosf1gridbox i agree with you. I like things different. I miss the pink Force India cars, i liked thr green Jordans... thats one of my faves and the Orange Spykers :)
@leemorrison7113 the Benetton’s with the flag’s in the mid 80s were very good. I love pastel colours like on the Onyx cars, generally the more extravagant the better, I think it was the 1990 Larrousse that had red, blue, green, yellow, and still looked nice
yup the difference with McLaren and williams is that they had frank and ron ensuring their cyclic success throughout the 80s 90s 00s whereas Brabham lost eccelestone early and that was that for them
Yes. But it was more than just Ecclestone. Bernie, Herbie Blash, Charlie Whiting and Gordon Murray were the brains trust. Murray had a great working relationship with Piquet. All efforts were focused on Piquet, which hampered them winning the constructors' title. In the early 1980s Brabham was also a very innovative team - maybe the most innovative at the time. Beside the fan car in the 70s and the hydro-pneumatic suspension, they also introduced refuelling tyre warmers, and all the related strategy they both involved to F1, They also introduced synthetic additives to their fuel and refined aero and ground effect to the extent they didn't need front wings. (And as a Williams and Lotus fan back in the day, I say this with gritted teeth.) Once Bernie, Gordon Murray (joining ex-Brabham mechanic Ron Dennis at McLaren) and ground effect were gone, Brabham went into swift decline.
Frank and Ron were also the main reason for both of their teams downfalls in the 2000's and 2010's respectively. Sure they lost out on Engines and other such deals but they also mismanaged key contracts to key personnel (and drivers) as well as both not trying hard enough to keep a hold of Newey, their facilities were also not upgraded (Williams) and out of date or providing incorrect data (McLaren) under their watch. As good as they once were, they also lead to both of them being also rans for the majority of the past decade+.
@@Loose89 what you say is true - however I wasnt claiming that frank and ron kept williams and mclaren at the forefront of F1, my claim was the survival of the teams within the sport. Hence why I said cyclic success wihtin 80s 90s and 00's
They just lost everything that made them successful over a number of seasons. They lost their tire contract with Pirelli (which weren’t very good anyway), their engine contract with BMW, their star driver (Piquet), and their star designer (Gordon Murray, who became disillusioned after Elio de Angelis was killed in one of his cars, largely due to the lack of safety at the Ricard circuit). With all that gone and no one just as good to replace them with, then the team goes downhill.
I think the problem in F1 is is becoming more expensive to runs teams as cars get more complex and technical. The amount of equipment in the garage is way more costly today than it was in the 90's or 80s-50s . The sport has gone from a blue collar hobby for common folk to a multi billion dollar hi tec franchise . Today we have terrible drivers who bring money into the team to keep it afloat tell they get kicked out and replaced.
I’m not gonna lie f1 has always been elitist and also the level of pay drivers now is much better than 30-40 years ago. Mazepin, the worst in recent years was 1-1.5 seconds off his teammate on average, the likes of Deletraz and Inoue were far worse
Pay drivers in the 80s and 90s were generally way off the pace, hadn't driven anything above midfield in F3, and were in F1 almost entirely due to cash. Pay drivers nowadays have had their careers funded by sponsors (because motor sport is expensive), from grassroots through to F1, but have earned their place in F1 almost solely on merit (via Super Licence points), with the cash being a nice bonus. I'd take Stroll (IF4, TRS, EF3 champ) over most 80s and 90s pay drivers and day of the week. Stroll dominated Euro F3 in 2016 - 14 wins from 30 races and won the title by 187 points, with GR some 243 points back in 3rd and Mazepin 497 points behind Stroll in 20th. Mazepin finished 2 places and 12 points behind Adrian Newey's son.
@decb Exactly, even stroll has a pole position. Nowadays pay drivers with the exception of maybe Mazepin, they tend to mill around at the back up to half a second off their teammates pace. Even your more respectable 80s/90s pay drivers like Satoru Nakajima or Phillipe Alliot weren’t that close to their teammates
@@nedzosf1gridbox Nakajima didn't just bring finance to kick an ailing team down the road, he brought free Honda turbos for Senna. Year old Hondas, but competitive and free.
I'm Belgian as I know that Van De Poele was going to struggle if the team didn't get any stable basis (good chassis and decent engine). The initial bet was Nakaya bringing the cash alongside his sponsor, ensuring development around the season. But unfortunately, no super license, no cash. 1st blow. Then Amati brought the minimum cash, not enough for car development. 2nd blow Slowest car of the list, even eliminated by farcical Andrea Moda in Monaco. 3rd blow The funding loaner deemed suspicious as the team was facing impending big debt to clear. They couldn't get any decent funder so they went bankrupt before Spa 92. Last blow, K.O. They could save the team but management went haywire.
I chose this one because Brabham went bust less than a decade after their last championship. Lotus took 16 years (17 if you count Pacific Team Lotus). Their peak was higher but the downfall of Lotus was much more stretched out, even if they were only spending more years dawdling in obscurity
This is a great video, but i would like to make one suggestion what might improve it a bit more in my opinion: You speak quite fast. I understand most of it, but with english as a foreign language, it takes alot of focus for me to follow closely. I want to emphasize this is just my personal opinion on an otherwise really good video - so please think about it, but do not let it ruin your day or get sleepless nights because of what this random dude on the internet suggests ;)
@@briankearn6991 Seriously?? I did not know that. Wow. I know we had the Formula Ford "Driver to Europe" series, but the only real names that I recognise from that series are Larry Perkins, Tomas Mezera, Mark Larkham, Russell Ingall, and Cameron McConville.
@@stealthcabbie1336 I’m sorry, it was a New Zealand program. New Zealand International Grand Prix Racing Team. It started with Bruce McLaren. Jack Brabham wasn’t supported, but he did supply cars and jobs with his team.
Nice content, but was there somebody chasing you that you read it so quickly? I'd prefer something of Aidan Millward's storytelling minus his tiresome breaks to make funny remarks.
I tend to speak quite fast as I have experience in race commentary. I’d recommend watching my videos with subtitles on and/or watching at slower playback speed. My more recent videos I think are slower
Great video! But it's pronounced "van duh pool" and you have to throw the "van de" in, not just the "pool" LOL. I enjoy your content but slow down your delivery at times, plz...it's hard for us Yanks to keep up!
0:01 Funfact, If you look at the Monaco-Qualifiying in 1983 and 1992 you see that Brabham was nearyl 3 seconds faster in 1992. But they failed Qualifying in 1992 while Piquet was 6th on the grid in 1983. Shows how fast development can go.
There was a great quote on bring back V10s by Glenn Freeman that went something like "Brabham became competitive and uncompetitive depending on who had the keys to the factory that week". Not his exact words but it was something like that
Haha that’s an absolute cracker!
Brabhams downfall began in 85, thanks to the Pirelli,s , but the real nail in the coffin was the Dead of de Angelis , Which had a great effect on the whole team ,
I agree with these points, I didn’t pay much attention to the tyres when I probably should’ve
Also the disastrous car of 1986 when they changed concept completely for the car it didn’t work and that was the truly the beginning of the end
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 I never knew about the whole design concept changing, that’s interesting
@@nedzosf1gridbox Yup caused the fallout between Gordon Murray and Bernie which led him to go McLaren and they lost their designer which made them great and never recovered
If you ever have time read up on the 1986 car it was an interesting concept that produced excellent straight line speed but had no reliability due to the engine being turned on its side and the gearbox which was a specially created 7 speed manual
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 a 7 speed f1 car in 1986? I thought Ferrari were the first to do that in the early 90s. Didn’t know that
I guess they were overachievers in the Piquet era. The team started to go downhill when he left. Liked the quirky livery of the 92 car
It’s a very marmite livery. I love it because it’s got bright colours but it’s not in your face, but I know some people hate it. I remember a few years ago seeing it in a “top 10 worst f1 car liveries of all time” list which I thought was unwarranted.
@@nedzosf1gridbox i agree with you. I like things different. I miss the pink Force India cars, i liked thr green Jordans... thats one of my faves and the Orange Spykers :)
@leemorrison7113 the Benetton’s with the flag’s in the mid 80s were very good. I love pastel colours like on the Onyx cars, generally the more extravagant the better, I think it was the 1990 Larrousse that had red, blue, green, yellow, and still looked nice
@@nedzosf1gridbox Onyx was just all round cool. Yeah Benetton was good too. Too many to mention but 1984 RAM with Skoal Bandit livery was cool too
@@leemorrison7113 yep
Brabham went from Champions to back markers in nine years before pulling out.
Yep
yup the difference with McLaren and williams is that they had frank and ron ensuring their cyclic success throughout the 80s 90s 00s whereas Brabham lost eccelestone early and that was that for them
That’s a good point I hadn’t considered although i talked about leadership
Yes. But it was more than just Ecclestone. Bernie, Herbie Blash, Charlie Whiting and Gordon Murray were the brains trust. Murray had a great working relationship with Piquet. All efforts were focused on Piquet, which hampered them winning the constructors' title.
In the early 1980s Brabham was also a very innovative team - maybe the most innovative at the time. Beside the fan car in the 70s and the hydro-pneumatic suspension, they also introduced refuelling tyre warmers, and all the related strategy they both involved to F1, They also introduced synthetic additives to their fuel and refined aero and ground effect to the extent they didn't need front wings. (And as a Williams and Lotus fan back in the day, I say this with gritted teeth.) Once Bernie, Gordon Murray (joining ex-Brabham mechanic Ron Dennis at McLaren) and ground effect were gone, Brabham went into swift decline.
Frank and Ron were also the main reason for both of their teams downfalls in the 2000's and 2010's respectively. Sure they lost out on Engines and other such deals but they also mismanaged key contracts to key personnel (and drivers) as well as both not trying hard enough to keep a hold of Newey, their facilities were also not upgraded (Williams) and out of date or providing incorrect data (McLaren) under their watch.
As good as they once were, they also lead to both of them being also rans for the majority of the past decade+.
@Loose89 that’s a fair statement
@@Loose89 what you say is true - however I wasnt claiming that frank and ron kept williams and mclaren at the forefront of F1, my claim was the survival of the teams within the sport. Hence why I said cyclic success wihtin 80s 90s and 00's
Hill created miracles with both the Brabham and the Arrows showing what a really good driver he is.
Fair, just don’t watch the last five minutes of my 1994 season review. I definitely don’t question his driving skills 😂
Nice video as always, I've always wondered how that happened ngl
It was a combination of factors really
They just lost everything that made them successful over a number of seasons. They lost their tire contract with Pirelli (which weren’t very good anyway), their engine contract with BMW, their star driver (Piquet), and their star designer (Gordon Murray, who became disillusioned after Elio de Angelis was killed in one of his cars, largely due to the lack of safety at the Ricard circuit). With all that gone and no one just as good to replace them with, then the team goes downhill.
Yep
Been loving the vids!
Cheers mate, glad to hear you enjoy them. Which is your favourite recent video?
I think the problem in F1 is is becoming more expensive to runs teams as cars get more complex and technical. The amount of equipment in the garage is way more costly today than it was in the 90's or 80s-50s . The sport has gone from a blue collar hobby for common folk to a multi billion dollar hi tec franchise . Today we have terrible drivers who bring money into the team to keep it afloat tell they get kicked out and replaced.
I’m not gonna lie f1 has always been elitist and also the level of pay drivers now is much better than 30-40 years ago. Mazepin, the worst in recent years was 1-1.5 seconds off his teammate on average, the likes of Deletraz and Inoue were far worse
Pay drivers in the 80s and 90s were generally way off the pace, hadn't driven anything above midfield in F3, and were in F1 almost entirely due to cash.
Pay drivers nowadays have had their careers funded by sponsors (because motor sport is expensive), from grassroots through to F1, but have earned their place in F1 almost solely on merit (via Super Licence points), with the cash being a nice bonus.
I'd take Stroll (IF4, TRS, EF3 champ) over most 80s and 90s pay drivers and day of the week.
Stroll dominated Euro F3 in 2016 - 14 wins from 30 races and won the title by 187 points, with GR some 243 points back in 3rd and Mazepin 497 points behind Stroll in 20th. Mazepin finished 2 places and 12 points behind Adrian Newey's son.
@decb Exactly, even stroll has a pole position. Nowadays pay drivers with the exception of maybe Mazepin, they tend to mill around at the back up to half a second off their teammates pace. Even your more respectable 80s/90s pay drivers like Satoru Nakajima or Phillipe Alliot weren’t that close to their teammates
@@nedzosf1gridbox Nakajima didn't just bring finance to kick an ailing team down the road, he brought free Honda turbos for Senna. Year old Hondas, but competitive and free.
@decb yea, that was often the case with Honda, Yamaha and any other Japanese engine firm
I miss having Brabham and Lotus on the grid.
Really underrated channel, shame I didn't found about it earlier
Thanks mate, love the appreciation
Whoa lot of comments already, this is good!
Yea it is, I’m loving the interaction everyone is doing
I would say that the biggest team downfall is Lotus, Good vid though, thanks for sharing
That’s another historic team that lost out due to lack of funding
We can certainly put this squarely on old Bernie not giving a hoot about the team by the end. A sad end to a great constructor. Great video
That’s a fair assessment of what happened
Notice : Vandepoele moved to Fondmetal by Hungary race, he wasn't Hill's teammate anymore
Oh that’s stupid of me to not realise, thanks for pointing that out 👍
A well appreciated video!
Thank you for the kind words
Sad to see what happened them, if they got a good investor after the Bernie era we probably saw a great rebirth
Exactly
I'm Belgian as I know that Van De Poele was going to struggle if the team didn't get any stable basis (good chassis and decent engine).
The initial bet was Nakaya bringing the cash alongside his sponsor, ensuring development around the season. But unfortunately, no super license, no cash. 1st blow.
Then Amati brought the minimum cash, not enough for car development. 2nd blow
Slowest car of the list, even eliminated by farcical Andrea Moda in Monaco. 3rd blow
The funding loaner deemed suspicious as the team was facing impending big debt to clear. They couldn't get any decent funder so they went bankrupt before Spa 92. Last blow, K.O.
They could save the team but management went haywire.
That’s a fair comment, great insight
Very well presented, new sub..
Thanks for the support mate
"Bernie it's been 17 years since you bought McLaren, you had some good times and some bad times what do you remember best".
“I don’t remember buying McLaren Murray.”
Yes! A new good F1 video 😊
Thank you
I'd say the biggest downfall was Lotus but this one is close behind.
I chose this one because Brabham went bust less than a decade after their last championship. Lotus took 16 years (17 if you count Pacific Team Lotus). Their peak was higher but the downfall of Lotus was much more stretched out, even if they were only spending more years dawdling in obscurity
This is a great video, but i would like to make one suggestion what might improve it a bit more in my opinion: You speak quite fast. I understand most of it, but with english as a foreign language, it takes alot of focus for me to follow closely. I want to emphasize this is just my personal opinion on an otherwise really good video - so please think about it, but do not let it ruin your day or get sleepless nights because of what this random dude on the internet suggests ;)
I have tried to slow down speech in the past few videos
@@nedzosf1gridboxThis was the first video i watched from you, so i am looking forward to see the changes =)
@@BouncingCow I also have subtitles as an option on all my videos
Brabham could have been a "National" team for Australian and New Zeeland drivers for an entry into F1. Shit, we had the talent, just not the finance.
Australia had a government supported program to fund a driver to race in Europe for a year. Brabham and Hulme were supported that way.
@@briankearn6991 Seriously?? I did not know that. Wow. I know we had the Formula Ford "Driver to Europe" series, but the only real names that I recognise from that series are Larry Perkins, Tomas Mezera, Mark Larkham, Russell Ingall, and Cameron McConville.
@@stealthcabbie1336
I’m sorry, it was a New Zealand program.
New Zealand International Grand Prix Racing Team.
It started with Bruce McLaren.
Jack Brabham wasn’t supported, but he did supply cars and jobs with his team.
Aussies are already bad sports supporters enough, the less Aussies competing the better
Nice content, but was there somebody chasing you that you read it so quickly? I'd prefer something of Aidan Millward's storytelling minus his tiresome breaks to make funny remarks.
I tend to speak quite fast as I have experience in race commentary. I’d recommend watching my videos with subtitles on and/or watching at slower playback speed. My more recent videos I think are slower
Great video! But it's pronounced "van duh pool" and you have to throw the "van de" in, not just the "pool" LOL. I enjoy your content but slow down your delivery at times, plz...it's hard for us Yanks to keep up!
I think my faster speaking pace comes from my experience in race commentary, I try to help it as best as I can, but sometimes I’m just very fast.
my god dude, you know you’re sh*t. i’ve been a sub from the start but now i know you’re for real.
Thanks for the support mate you’re one of the OG’s!
Damn they fell hard...
They did
How did you get monetized when you have less than 1000 subscribers?
It’s just channel memberships now but when I hit 1k I’ll earn the big money (definitely not big lol)
Holy cow. Slow down, you're talking way too fast, hard to hear what you are saying most of the time
I feel like I spoke slower than usual in this video, I think I’m just a naturally fast speaker due to my experience in race commentary
🥶
Please articulate next time.