I'm 57 years old I deadlifted 602 lbs at my last contest.Deadlifts have made my lowerback strong even at my age. I don't like it when people say there's no such thing as overtraining! That's why I like your videos you make sense.
Pulled 610 for double on my 60th birthday, 3 years ago. I work construction and thanks to box squats, deadlifts, etc ( Louie Simmons Westside ) Im able keep working.
I'm 52 year old man. 37 years in the building trade and about 30 years in the lifting game. Been lifting heavy ass weight nearly all my life. Still lift heavy, and not a single back problem. I put this down to keeping my back strong.
Everyone is unique and different. Not everyone has the same goal. For instance, many NFL players need absolute strength, or to be able to lift as much weight or exert as much force as they possibly can. Many NFL athletes do not. Instead, they need explosive strength, which is best developed by using Vladimir Zatsiorsky's Dynamic Effort Strength Training Method of lifting nonmaximal weight (e.g., 50% of a one-rep max) for one or two repetitions for many sets). The late Louie Simmons said that it doesn't make sense to do many repetitions when doing Dynamic Effort sets because speed slows down after two reps, and it doesn't make sense to develop speed by training at progressively slower speeds. According to Zatsiorsky, the best way to develop muscular endurance is with the Repeated Effort Strength Training Method of lifting nonmaximal weight (e.g., 50 to 65% of a one-rep max) or exerting nonmaximal force to failure. Athletes who need endurance, like soccer players, should focus more on endurance training, not absolute strength training, and every athlete should also do accentuation strength training, or training strength only in the range of motion where the sport demands the highest force, which essentially means doing partial reps, instead of full-range-of-motion exercise, which are best for developing absolute strength. I am 68 years old. My goal isn't to develop as much explosive or absolute strength as possible. Instead, it is to live as long as I possible can. I believe that Louie Simmons Conjugate Strength Training Method, which incorporates many strength training methods, can be applied to the goal of achieving more muscular endurance, size, and strength for better physical fitness. Just like Louie Simmons applied Zatisorsky's four strength training methods (Maximal Effort, Repeated Effort, Submaximal Effort, and Dynamic Effort) to powerlifting, even though it was originally used to train many different kinds of Soviet Olympic athletes from water polo to track and field, to powerlifting, Louie Simmons' Conjugate Strength Training Method can also be applied by average home gym owners to general fitness. Thus, I use resistance bands, chains, weight releasers, board presses, and many of the powerlifting strength training techniques that Louie SImmons advocated even though I am 68 years old and have no intention whatsoever of entering a powerlifting contest. It is also why I am subscribed to this UA-cam channel-- that is, because the information being shared can also be used by average home gym owners, and even senior citizens, like me, who just want to find more ways to prevent sarcopenia, or the loss of muscle due to biological aging or inactivity. My goal is to live longer, and deadlifting with 50% of my one rep max using Zatsiorsky's Repeated Effort Method is a good way to develop muscular endurance and size in what Tommy Kono, "the Greatest American Olympic Weightlifter of All-TIme" called "The Seat of Power". While it is true that using the Maximal Strength Training Method of lifting as much weight or exerting as much force as possible comes with the highest risk of injury and burn-out, it isn't necessary for the average home gym owner or senior citizens to lift as much weight or exert as much force as they possibly can to develop muscular endurance and size. Deadlifts are a highly effective compound exercise that targets multiple muscle groups throughout the body, which includes the lats, trapezius, glutes, hamstrings, quads, and even the abs and obique muscles. Deadlifts can still be done using nonmaximal weight using Zatsiorsky's Repeated Effort or SubMax Effort methods to develop more muscular endurance and size, mitochondria, insulin receptors, and capillary density, which helps the body to convert more blood sugar to energy, instead of visceral fat, and less blood sugar to be excreted by the kidneys, which can potentially harm them. It makes sense to obtain the benefits of deadlifts, even if it is to a lesser degree by doing deadlifts using the Repeated Effort, SubMax Effort, and Dynamic Effort Methods of Strength Training and also by training all three phases of strength training (Concentric, Eccentric, and Isometric) using 50% of a one-rep max. Thus, if you don't use the Maximal Effort Strength Training Method for deadlifts, or any other exercise, like back squats, the risk of injury is greatly diminished. Since everyone is different, adapt accordingly.
I've played and coached football for over 30yrs. Do your cleans and pulls, you need to be strong (deadlift) and explosive (cleans). 90% of dynamic athleticism is generating power from the ground. Cleans and deadlifts are how you improve your ability to generate power. Believe me, you will know when someone with an elite clean hits you. It's like being in a car crash.
One area Mr Brown mentioned was risk and reward. For many strength athletes in the NFL (and some in college) they will still lift heavy but aren't trying to set new PB's because the risk of injury outways any benefit in lifting heavier ( if you can bench 500 why increase it to 525?). Instead, their training shifts to developing more power and isolateral movements.
I just do Romanian deadlifts to just below the knee after squats and feel I get all the benefits I no longer feel the need to pull from the ground though I occasionally do when I'm feeling it. But doing full deadlifts weekly is really grinding and becomes counterproductive.
Effective programming is hard, even for well-educated coaches, often enough. Deadlift programming specifically tends to elude people without an aptitude for strength sports.
If he was making a case against athletes using the snatch I’d maybe agree with him because there’s pros and cons to snatches but cleans and deadlifts are staples for a reason. At the very least hang cleans should be included for athletes
John Brown say so many stupid things that he almost never misses an opportunity to make a complete fool of himself. Having good genetics for bodybuilding obviously doesn' mean that one has brains too :))
@@WenningStrength He is totally braindead in every aspect of the 'education' he does, whether it is lifting, diet or even lifestyle. Not only he is a muppet, he is agressive, too in his 'opinions'. The problem is that millions of people listen to him and try to follow his nonsense.
I’m curious if his two sons in the NFL did deadlifts and cleans in college. Third son played at Stanford. I’ve seen videos of him training with his sons and none of it makes sense lol
Hard to believe he doesn't feel a strong lower back is important!!! In nearly every Sport the lower back is used for stability and bracing yourself for impact. Once again " Common Sense isn't that common"
It almost seems like having superior hypertrophy genetics predisposes you to outgrow your soft tissue capacity and increases likelihood of injury if you aren't thoughtful in your programming
How can I rehab my back to be able to start deadlifting again. I have severe lumbar spinal stenosis. Deadlift was my go to up until about 7 years ago. My best was 665 for a double no wraps no suit. I love deadlifts and I want to do them again.
Have you tried reverse hyper extensions? Those are famous for healing peoples' backs, including the back of the person who popularized them, Louie Simmons
I dont take anything a body builder has to say serious . They pagent poneys an lift for other peoples opinions opposed to performance. Id rather listen to people who have been there an done the damn thing . World class lifters power lifters an strongman .i find it amusing somone thinks there a bag of hot shit for winning a cheap plastic trophey based off other mens opinions of them . I see it every day those pretty boy beach muscles fail people in blue collard work week in and week out . Dude would be puffing for air and most likely tapp out if he had to do real work and carry a refrigerator up a flight of stairs . Deadlifts made me a force when i was playing semi pro football and you can definitely feel the cross over when you grapple somone .bodybuilding doesnt cross over to functional work at all
I remember when John Brown came into prominence .....competing in Mr California etc. While Brown was a great physique, and an amazing poser ,....lol, he NEVER won the Mr Olympia , nor did he ever break into the upper ranks of the best physiques of the period.
Most of the negative comments are coming from guys who aren't even strong. They want to make statements about what's good and what's bad, but they would get outlifted by an entire crossfit gym (the point being outlifted by people who aren't even dedicated powerlifters). If you haven't been lifting for 10+ years and hitting basic metrics like 300+ on bench, 400+ squats and deadlifts, you simply have no foundation to participate in the conversation.
How the hell does he figure deadlifts hold no benefit for athletes and everyday people. C'mon! Yes you need good form developed before you can move up in weight. It also helps to develop a strong core stability.
For myself i never could get any size until i started doing deadlifts consistently..i guess it hits a nerve with me when people talk bad about the lift saying how useless & bad it is..
I'm 57 years old I deadlifted 602 lbs at my last contest.Deadlifts have made my lowerback strong even at my age. I don't like it when people say there's no such thing as overtraining! That's why I like your videos you make sense.
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Deadlifts used correctly make you more resilient.
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64 here, deadlifting 500x10.
“Why you need a strong lower back”😂😂😂😂😂
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Yes and ppl actually agree w this guy
Pulled 610 for double on my 60th birthday, 3 years ago. I work construction and thanks to box squats, deadlifts, etc ( Louie Simmons Westside ) Im able keep working.
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I'm 52 year old man. 37 years in the building trade and about 30 years in the lifting game. Been lifting heavy ass weight nearly all my life. Still lift heavy, and not a single back problem.
I put this down to keeping my back strong.
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Been watching you awhile man. Always a no bullshit approach that makes sense. Found you on elitefts. Congratulations on the doctorate.
Ton of work!! Glad it’s accomplished
Everyone is unique and different. Not everyone has the same goal. For instance, many NFL players need absolute strength, or to be able to lift as much weight or exert as much force as they possibly can. Many NFL athletes do not. Instead, they need explosive strength, which is best developed by using Vladimir Zatsiorsky's Dynamic Effort Strength Training Method of lifting nonmaximal weight (e.g., 50% of a one-rep max) for one or two repetitions for many sets). The late Louie Simmons said that it doesn't make sense to do many repetitions when doing Dynamic Effort sets because speed slows down after two reps, and it doesn't make sense to develop speed by training at progressively slower speeds.
According to Zatsiorsky, the best way to develop muscular endurance is with the Repeated Effort Strength Training Method of lifting nonmaximal weight (e.g., 50 to 65% of a one-rep max) or exerting nonmaximal force to failure.
Athletes who need endurance, like soccer players, should focus more on endurance training, not absolute strength training, and every athlete should also do accentuation strength training, or training strength only in the range of motion where the sport demands the highest force, which essentially means doing partial reps, instead of full-range-of-motion exercise, which are best for developing absolute strength.
I am 68 years old. My goal isn't to develop as much explosive or absolute strength as possible. Instead, it is to live as long as I possible can. I believe that Louie Simmons Conjugate Strength Training Method, which incorporates many strength training methods, can be applied to the goal of achieving more muscular endurance, size, and strength for better physical fitness. Just like Louie Simmons applied Zatisorsky's four strength training methods (Maximal Effort, Repeated Effort, Submaximal Effort, and Dynamic Effort) to powerlifting, even though it was originally used to train many different kinds of Soviet Olympic athletes from water polo to track and field, to powerlifting, Louie Simmons' Conjugate Strength Training Method can also be applied by average home gym owners to general fitness.
Thus, I use resistance bands, chains, weight releasers, board presses, and many of the powerlifting strength training techniques that Louie SImmons advocated even though I am 68 years old and have no intention whatsoever of entering a powerlifting contest.
It is also why I am subscribed to this UA-cam channel-- that is, because the information being shared can also be used by average home gym owners, and even senior citizens, like me, who just want to find more ways to prevent sarcopenia, or the loss of muscle due to biological aging or inactivity.
My goal is to live longer, and deadlifting with 50% of my one rep max using Zatsiorsky's Repeated Effort Method is a good way to develop muscular endurance and size in what Tommy Kono, "the Greatest American Olympic Weightlifter of All-TIme" called "The Seat of Power".
While it is true that using the Maximal Strength Training Method of lifting as much weight or exerting as much force as possible comes with the highest risk of injury and burn-out, it isn't necessary for the average home gym owner or senior citizens to lift as much weight or exert as much force as they possibly can to develop muscular endurance and size.
Deadlifts are a highly effective compound exercise that targets multiple muscle groups throughout the body, which includes the lats, trapezius, glutes, hamstrings, quads, and even the abs and obique muscles. Deadlifts can still be done using nonmaximal weight using Zatsiorsky's Repeated Effort or SubMax Effort methods to develop more muscular endurance and size, mitochondria, insulin receptors, and capillary density, which helps the body to convert more blood sugar to energy, instead of visceral fat, and less blood sugar to be excreted by the kidneys, which can potentially harm them. It makes sense to obtain the benefits of deadlifts, even if it is to a lesser degree by doing deadlifts using the Repeated Effort, SubMax Effort, and Dynamic Effort Methods of Strength Training and also by training all three phases of strength training (Concentric, Eccentric, and Isometric) using 50% of a one-rep max.
Thus, if you don't use the Maximal Effort Strength Training Method for deadlifts, or any other exercise, like back squats, the risk of injury is greatly diminished.
Since everyone is different, adapt accordingly.
Can't imagine why I would want my lower back strong 😂😂😂. He's totally right. People never ever pick up anything off the ground. 🙄
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I have been implementing 6 inch deficit deadlifts with a snatch grip and it’s been growing my back and spinal erectors , they are fun and hard
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I've played and coached football for over 30yrs. Do your cleans and pulls, you need to be strong (deadlift) and explosive (cleans). 90% of dynamic athleticism is generating power from the ground. Cleans and deadlifts are how you improve your ability to generate power. Believe me, you will know when someone with an elite clean hits you. It's like being in a car crash.
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Thanks for posting a response!
Awesome insight! I totally agree 👍
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I knew the guy was a dummy when he said "why do you need your lower back strong?"
Yea kinda sad so many will listen
One area Mr Brown mentioned was risk and reward. For many strength athletes in the NFL (and some in college) they will still lift heavy but aren't trying to set new PB's because the risk of injury outways any benefit in lifting heavier ( if you can bench 500 why increase it to 525?). Instead, their training shifts to developing more power and isolateral movements.
Which is all based on strength in which most these athletes have ignored
194th view, but the first Like. 👍
I give a thumbs up to videos that make serious points - That I intend to replay.
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Im stupid every 3 weeks or so.
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Hell yeah! I hate cleans, always have, but GOTTA get down with the deads.
I just do Romanian deadlifts to just below the knee after squats and feel I get all the benefits I no longer feel the need to pull from the ground though I occasionally do when I'm feeling it. But doing full deadlifts weekly is really grinding and becomes counterproductive.
That interview gave me Forrest Whittaker eye...
Effective programming is hard, even for well-educated coaches, often enough. Deadlift programming specifically tends to elude people without an aptitude for strength sports.
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Everybody can talk, only some can listen.
If he was making a case against athletes using the snatch I’d maybe agree with him because there’s pros and cons to snatches but cleans and deadlifts are staples for a reason. At the very least hang cleans should be included for athletes
High pulls for sure
John Brown say so many stupid things that he almost never misses an opportunity to make a complete fool of himself. Having good genetics for bodybuilding obviously doesn' mean that one has brains too :))
Fuck the more I listened on podcasts the worse it got
@@WenningStrength He is totally braindead in every aspect of the 'education' he does, whether it is lifting, diet or even lifestyle. Not only he is a muppet, he is agressive, too in his 'opinions'. The problem is that millions of people listen to him and try to follow his nonsense.
I’m curious if his two sons in the NFL did deadlifts and cleans in college. Third son played at Stanford. I’ve seen videos of him training with his sons and none of it makes sense lol
I know many pro teams deadlift and do cleans - also top universities
Hard to believe he doesn't feel a strong lower back is important!!! In nearly every Sport the lower back is used for stability and bracing yourself for impact. Once again " Common Sense isn't that common"
Yep and often time the limiting factor
It almost seems like having superior hypertrophy genetics predisposes you to outgrow your soft tissue capacity and increases likelihood of injury if you aren't thoughtful in your programming
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Yes, or superior PED's
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How can I rehab my back to be able to start deadlifting again. I have severe lumbar spinal stenosis. Deadlift was my go to up until about 7 years ago. My best was 665 for a double no wraps no suit. I love deadlifts and I want to do them again.
Have you tried reverse hyper extensions? Those are famous for healing peoples' backs, including the back of the person who popularized them, Louie Simmons
I dont take anything a body builder has to say serious . They pagent poneys an lift for other peoples opinions opposed to performance. Id rather listen to people who have been there an done the damn thing . World class lifters power lifters an strongman .i find it amusing somone thinks there a bag of hot shit for winning a cheap plastic trophey based off other mens opinions of them . I see it every day those pretty boy beach muscles fail people in blue collard work week in and week out . Dude would be puffing for air and most likely tapp out if he had to do real work and carry a refrigerator up a flight of stairs . Deadlifts made me a force when i was playing semi pro football and you can definitely feel the cross over when you grapple somone .bodybuilding doesnt cross over to functional work at all
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Don't forget, however, Flex Wheeler is one of the reasons why the Wenning Warmup uses 25 reps
“We from earth. Think about it”
It’s brutal
“DEADLIFTS IS JUST PICKING IT UP OFF THE GROUND”
Absolute numbnuts reasoning. Or I should say lack of reasoning.
Power cleans may be unnecessary but definitely not deadlifts
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Brown comes off as incredibly ignorant, even for an average old man. I never heard of him in the 80s bb scene. He was a pro?
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Am I the only one here who wants to be able to cut up for shows eating hot dogs and candy?
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Pull forever
I remember when John Brown came into prominence .....competing in Mr California etc. While Brown was a great physique, and an amazing poser ,....lol, he NEVER won the Mr Olympia , nor did he ever break into the upper ranks of the best physiques of the period.
John talks alot of bro science
Obviously- but in some circles they say that about me too 😂😂
Most of the negative comments are coming from guys who aren't even strong. They want to make statements about what's good and what's bad, but they would get outlifted by an entire crossfit gym (the point being outlifted by people who aren't even dedicated powerlifters). If you haven't been lifting for 10+ years and hitting basic metrics like 300+ on bench, 400+ squats and deadlifts, you simply have no foundation to participate in the conversation.
I’ve been saying that for years lol
How the hell does he figure deadlifts hold no benefit for athletes and everyday people. C'mon! Yes you need good form developed before you can move up in weight. It also helps to develop a strong core stability.
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But seriously why do you need your lower back strong? Just doesn’t make sense to me 😂
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Exactly! Obviously we’re from Earth so who needs a strong lower back 😂
I used to think Deadlifting was bad. I’ve since changed my ideas.
It sure can be w out proper instruction
For myself i never could get any size until i started doing deadlifts consistently..i guess it hits a nerve with me when people talk bad about the lift saying how useless & bad it is..
Yep same 🔥🔥