I only got to know you about a year ago and lost you too soon. Thank you for this legacy... these videos have helped me understand and live with our predicament.
I am still very young and it is hard for me to deal with these dire prospects. One feels so lonely. I feel a lot of human warmth in your videos despite the gloomy future, that feels good. It's all about career, achievement and material possessions in this society. There is hardly any time to think more deeply about life and the meaning behind it. Very sad.
Thanks for your vulnerability, Lukas! Please join us for at least one or more Post Doom, No Gloom discussions. You may find it life-changing (that's my hope, at least): postdoom.com/discussions/ (I highly recommend the two videos on that page, too.)
Try not to think of life as a set out process but an adventure, the structure around us is whats caused this mess we will once again return to being one with nature like animals
So sad for you, the young especially. I first came on all this through Michael Dowd. He has some amazing resources compiled. I am so grateful to all these people and Michael Dowd. I've struggled with it and have found a lot of help and emotional sharing and support from living resilience website facilitated by another amazing person Dean Walker. I am now in several sharing groups which helps me process my feelings and move thro to gratitude of the now. Good luck to you
@@Kektamusprimeunfortunately that's not going to happen at all, the end for humans and other earthlings is going to be horrific dystopian nightmare so you might want to spend as much time in nature now if you can because there's not much time left 😢
I just had some old friends react to my social media posts. They called or texted me in private. I had sent them your brief version Mr. Dowd. They went on to tell me that they are aware of inevitable collapse, but have a wife and kids to keep going as long as possible. This was validating, but shook me. I wonder how many others are bearing this weight in silence...
I echo many comments here, Michael. I came across your work through the wonderfully committed and brilliant Neil Davidson. Am in awe of the dedication you have given to organising these materials. We keep on keeping on 🙏🏻💙 PS i think we could move from self-representing as nouns (activists) to verb+adverb (loving-in-action). Verbs are relational and the adverbs add the quality. Let's focus in the quality
Just watched this again 2 years after I saw it the first time. In those two years I have gained much knowledge, regarding collapse, by following people like Nate Hagens, Tom Murphy, Erik Michaels, William Reese, the honest sorcerer (I still dont know who that is), Art Berman, Peter Joseph, etc. I was starting to get a sense that Michel Dowd was more for the beginners of collapse awareness. But after watching this video again (and several of his other videos), and because my knowledge has increased so much since the last time I watched it.... I am having what feels like an epiphany... Mr Dowd had it all figured out! I think you can skip everyone else and go straight to Michael's content to get the most accurate story behind "how did we get here?" and "whats gonna happen next?" The only nitpicking I can come up with is: I wish he had focused more on the evils of agriculture. And more talk about EROEI. Also, he should have dumped the phrases "anthropocentrism & human centeredness" and replaced it with "human supremacy". But thats all I got. Miss you Michael. RIP
Thank you Michael for your massive volume of work. I can hardly open out to the gratitude of all you've done to get the message out there and how best to respond x
Since I've watched at least 30 of the post-doom videos I think I have earned the right to be the first to to stomp on the virgin snow of an uncommented upon video. I think the perspectives and people in that series are best frame of mind with which to grapple with what is 99% sure to come. I am ordained by the Universal Life Church. When I saw his green collar, I knew what I had to wear, providing pastoral care in these end times.
Thank you Rev for this , I'm relieved I haven't been an educated success in this mad civilised society.something lifted after hearing your words. Feels something like permission to live just do what's essential deep appreciation for simple joys and don't look back. You gone right to the root acknowledged the reality.so now I don't shout when the kitchen is a mess I don't complain about mud on the floor so what if the parcel gets delivered late, full joy and big respect to you from a hairdresser in London
I agree with everything you say about our time on this beautiful planet, but I feel I still need to do the best I can to mitigate Climate Change. I get very sad and depressed when I see the homeless people on the street and other people struggling with life's adversities. I am accepting the reality of our situation, and I do focus on myself and my family's well being. And now, with the war in Ukraine, it makes me so sad for the Ukrainian people, God bless you Michael.
I'm with you, Robert! (And thank you!) I, too, feel sad (though no longer depressed) when I see evidence of collapse all around me and around the world. My sense of the near-term (and beyond) future is well captured in these four short essays/posts AND the 8-minute "Newsroom" video clip at the end: (1) "Climate Change and the Mitigation Myth" - by Mark Brimblecombe: markbrimblecombeblog.wordpress.com/2021/01/18/climate-change-and-the-mitigation-myth/ (2) "Overshoot: Where We Stand Now": (guest post I wrote for Dave Pollard's blog, "How to Save the World": howtosavetheworld.ca/2021/09/21/overshoot-where-we-stand-now-guest-post-by-michael-dowd/ (3) "Time's Up: It's the End of the World, and We Know It" - Salt Lake City Weekly cover article - by Jim Catano: www.cityweekly.net/utah/times-up/Content?oid=17298723 (4) "Climate Change is Accelerating": - Colorado Boulevard.net: www.coloradoboulevard.net/climate-change-is-accelerating/ Finally, this 8-min clip from HBO's "The Newsroom" (EPA Segments) is a classic (the most accurate portrayal on American TV of what most climate scientists know, but never say): www.dropbox.com/s/orq3tops40gftzo/The%20Newsroom%20%202013%20Environmental%20Protection%20Agency%20report%28EPA%29%3A%20Richard%20Westbrook%20scenes_1920x1080_MOV.mov?dl=0
I'm not normally into the touchy-feely aspects of collapse (I just prep for it), but these realizations (projections) about how society will react are really insightful and dead-on. Thanks, Preacher.
@@thegreatstory Sorry about that. I've been mentally prepping for decades, for back to the future: An 1880's future, post collapse, post die-off, whatever.
I must agree with a lot of the reactions here. I am into this subject for years now. So far this is the best I encountered. No where you find as much convincing information and arguments as you do here. You can also find solace in the way it is brought. Michael's position or stance (or how do you call it; my native language is Dutch) is comforting. No hate or pointing fingers to anyone. Just the facts, with lot's of understanding and compassion. The message is dire, not easy to spread. But it has to be done. People need this in many ways. Thanks!
I have good days and bad days now. Some days I'm okay with even looking forward to the end. Watching this again, and I can't help but have a sense of deep remorse. I spent decades on Hopium and the withdrawal is a b'tch. I still have that Hopium addiction calling to me.
I sure do appreciate your humble authenticity...and for taking time to watch so much of my stuff! Let's connect live, shall we? Please reach out to me via my cell phone or email address.
Excellent! Thank you for not spreading hopeum. I was raised in Alaska and a few years back I returned and was shocked by the changes in the place. That got me interested in climate change and since have read a couple dozen books on it. The honest ones say we are doomed. Eight billion of and us we all have a carbon footprint and the biosphere can't sustain us. You offer a way to cope with this. I assume you have read Spinoza? You sound very like him. I try this on my friends and they either argue or change the subject. My wife says its all in Revelation. Some of it is with a lot of curve fitting. Thank you for your support. I will continue to watch your blogs.
Thank you for this. I saw you speak in 2007 in Chicago, bought your book, loved it, and have not revisited your work in a while. I've been creating content last week and this on Active Hope and focusing on that book and the Work That Reconnects and listened to your most recent interview with Joanna Macy. This video has helped me so much and will inform my work going forward. So painful to feel this grief and so necessary to be able to live, love, co-create with, and serve our beloved world. Thank you again.
Interesting: @23:45 Getting your own values being explained by another person because I wasn't able to put them into words. Thank you for this From now on I will see my garden tour as a form of worshipping :)
The thing to worry about even more than the reactors is the spent fuel pools. It takes less than a week after the last power is lost before they are Chernobyl scale disasters. And since all reactors have a spent fuel pool adjacent to the reactors, that same time period is the time until any potential to deal with the reactor is entirely lost leading to double Chernobyl scale disasters. Also, as is now clear from Ukraine, war is a driver for nuclear catastrophe at least six ways. 1. Direct assault on the reactors or their controls or operators. 2. Indirect assault by attacking the power systems. 3. Indirect assault by preventing diesel fuel deliveries combined with loss of electric systems. 4. Direct assault on spent fuel pools. 5. Attack on and killing or excluding of operators. 6. Use of “tactical” nuclear weapons.
hi! it is very dense. Lots of post work to be done here to share this a little further.... Today I will stop at the slide at 51:54 about the predicament of our carrying capacity deficit world. It really tells it all, yet, it tells nothing to the ignorant. Thanks for sharing your understanding, many interesting quotes and ideas into it (but you knew that xd).
The way through this for me is being called "non-duality". That the "I" is actually "just awareness" and not the thoughts, feelings, sensations and perceptions we experience that produce a false, egoic sense of an "I". Rather, those are all just other objects of awareness like a sofa. I also no longer believe in free will, which oddly makes it easier for me to have some compassion for those who have brought this doom down upon us and their denialist enablers.
I am cursed with being unable to deny the cold hard truths of the world. But I continue to believe there is considerable uncertainty in the when and how change occurs. History seems to tell us things always last longer than people expect. And I’m not convinced we yet know how to identity even the first indicators of significant natural change, or even how social change will occur. But this is very interesting work.
My heart is with you. fyi.... I've got a new video coming out tomorrow: "Hopium Detox and Recovery: Accepting and Trusting Unstoppable Collapse." I think you may enjoy it.
I had the pleasure of reconnecting to your video series on The Great Story this week, and watched this video as well, very powerful and well “scholarshiped” presentation. Lots to think about, thank you for you important works.
I know I've already commented on my first watch but I just wanted to say thank you for putting this video together. This video has, and will continue to bring me great relief. One love.
The end of Don't Look Up is what we will soon be facing. On one hand I'm sad, but on the other hand, the last people I cared about recently betrayed me and stabbed me in the back and shown that they don't in fact love me at all, let alone as much as I've loved them. So.... yeah, let it burn. I don't even care anymore.
Thank you for creating this video and for compiling all those resources on your postdoom website. They have helped me a great deal in accepting our predicament. You are doing g🌍d's work.
Thank you for this important work Michael! Would you please clarify your position on activism? I accept that climate change, as a byproduct of ecological overshoot, is inevitable, but I am hoping that, if we push for a radical degrowth mindset, we can somehow SLOW IT DOWN so that my children can have a challenging but continued existence? To me, non-selfrighteous activism is love in action. -David (not quite cured of hope!)
I prefer "love-in-action" to "activism" (as I discuss in this video, twice) because many (most?) forms of activism are still fear and anger-based, in my experience. I always encourage people to find ways of actively contributing to the health and wellbeing of their communities - and sometimes that means doing all we can to halt, prevent, or limit future destruction and devastation. I am a big-hearted, full-throated support for your "push for radical degrowth"! Even though I think untold billions of human beings and other animals will die, and civilization will continue collapsing ever more noticeably and painfully, this decade (and next, if we're lucky).
Michael, I would be interested in your thoughts as to how deeply a sustainable culture could have pursued knowledge, science, and technology. Is it possible for a sustainable culture to strive towards a mastery of chemistry? of genetic engineering? of space travel? I prefer a philosophical motif rather than your religious motif, but I think they arrive at the same place. And I'm reminded that it's been a few years since I've watched Koyaanisqatsi, which - somehow - is now forty years old. Have you seen it? Thank you for your video - it was indeed a buffet!
I think the point is how the "progress" is a myopia of sorts --- eventually the cons outweigh the pros and history is showing us the indigenous ways were what may have allowed us to eek out a few more generations of human civs.
I've come to realize that although I thought I was non-religious I actually worshipped technology. I grew up believing science and technology would solve man's problems. It had always served us so well, or so it seemed. I mocked religion while being no better. I've come to realize the story of the Garden of Eden was misinterpreted. All we had to do was wait for the apple to fall and nature would have given us the knowledge we needed, Instead, we were impatient and went and took the knowledge from nature by force revealing our own failing and securing our fate...
I'm paralysed. The world at the moment. Everything feels so pointless. And that it could end soon. But I don't know that for sure. I study horticulture and love it. I have an awesome job as a permaculture designer. But I can't do the necessary work. I want to but I can't.... Yet :)
Responding to change can be a call to hyper-agency. Respond at the household level!!!! I am systematically “engineering” complexity/energy out of my household’s life. Food, production and storage, core energy production...... what are YOU doing NOW to respond at a household level?????
There is no doubt in my own mind that survival instincts will cause our brain, demand that our brain, interprets what we see in a positive surviving way. If that is deny, or distract, or flat out disagree, that is completely understandable, but we need to recognize that is what our brain is doing.,telling us what it wants us to accept. And we bump that interpretation up to a Belief.
Thanks for the compilation and references. Unless our species changes our fundamental culture and characteristics it's a question if when this unravels. If the thwaites glacier goes that's when I'd expect to see panic. And there's a possibility of that in 2-5 years, that or a Blue Ocean event by 2030 .
Your comment, "Unless our species changes our fundamental culture and characteristics" suggests to me that you haven't carefully watched this video yet, or perhaps just missed the part where I discuss precisely this faulty belief, beginning here: ua-cam.com/video/Y-1fv-5_ldM/v-deo.html (but I recommend the previous half-hour, too, as it will be more compelling that way).
@@thegreatstory Right. 'We' can't. It's not in human nature in groups of us larger than a small tribe. As soon as one person thinks someone else is cheating and getting away with more for doing less then they will want to follow suit and then it's all down hill from there. In smaller groups it's easier to regulate and check such behavior.
"Militate against", not "mitigate against". You can mitiGAte something (i.e. lessen its impact), and you can miLITAte against something (i.e. fight against it), but you can't mitigate AGAINST something. "Mitigate" is a transitive verb.
Anyone know where to find rhe animation about the blue ocean event? It wa about some rich people going to some islands to wait out the collapse and at the end rhe main guy wind sails out into the ocean and dies.
Thank you for taking the time to get this information, knowledge and wisdom out in the way you have pulled it all together. I'm 68yrs young and it was through Guy Mcpherson, Jim Bendell and Paul Beckwith that first grabbed my attention during 2017. I have accepted that we are in the time of abrupt, irreversible climate change and near term collapse. I believe 2026 to be a pivotal year.! I did inform my family. I also continued to have, up until recently, another question concerning, if the 'elites' who are also very much more informed concerning inevitable and near term civilization collapse, why they just allow themselves to be knocked into a new Stoneage and probably followed by extinction. I think not! In order for a small remnant of civilization to continue on (to the Moon, Mars, etc) while at the same time saving as much infrastructure as possible) Wouldn't these intelligent sapiens have a 'Before Doomsday Plan'. Perhaps such a smart plan would also include dealing with the real problem of human overshoot. Would adjusting the population down to approx 200 MILLION be an alternative to extinction of all life on Earth. (Selection as per future requirements) And if They know our true and real predicament Wouldn't the 'GOD' species know that their window of opportunity to act must begin soon, if as we are told 2026 may just be a few short years away?
I am entering this conversation Late but caught your 2026 date. I learned all this about 25 years ago. The Economy and Overpopulation have fascinated me. The free no interest digital money….building mega Cities….high rise Housing…Globalization vs Nations growing their own Food…we departed Reality….long ago….a super AI computer obviously runs the Economy and organizes every Crisis and restructuring of Collapse. I do feel that when the tipping point hits….even the Artificial intelligence may lose control. 2026 too seems accurate due to massive Earthquakes….and Volcanic events beyond our previous records….then Climate collapse will really kick In. A force of Evil and Greed brought us to 8 billion mobbed into mega Cities like a cockroach Trap….Food shipped in from afar. Intelligence is likely a poor Word….Clever….blind in our greed….obsessed with ourSelfIndulgence and our superficial appreciation for Nature and God.
I trust only in myself. I have faith only in myself. I believe only in myself. I need no one but myself. I am my own creator and my own destroyer. I do not care about if there is anything after death.
I honestly have no idea what you're saying here. Speaking only for myself... I trust life. I have faith in life (which includes death and extinctions). I need life. Life is my creator and my destroyer. Is there life after death? Of course! After I die, life goes on. Next question? 🙂
@@thegreatstory You're lucky to have never been betrayed and attacked by people you love and who you truly believed loved you too, your own family (and due to their own selfish self-interest, even the most minor of such interests). I've lost my faith and trust in people.
Unfortunately, no, the feedback loops are already in runaway, unstoppable mode. See my response to a post today on r/collapse for details... www.reddit.com/r/collapze/comments/vvkzu4/mit_scientists_think_theyve_discovered_how_to/
@@thegreatstory This also provides a very sobering resolution to the Fermi Paradox. If life forms exist on other planets, they probably have the same laws of ecology that we do. This would explain why we don't see evidence of alien civilizations: They are inherently self terminating.
@@thegreatstory John Michael Greer wrote in his post on June 1st 2022 that we had climatic swings this large during the Pleistocene. But then I remembered that during the Pleistocene we didn't have 8 billion people reliant on agriculture, which depends on a stable climate.
I respect you and Guy's perspectives-- but. Oh-- the but; you're complicating it for most of us. I have the comprehension to understand you complex dudes, but scientists and some preachers don't know how to communicate. Please keep it simple-- like your dude, JC. Truly love you...
There are many more than 6 mass extinctions. There are {arguably} six -great- mass extinctions. People can and do argue about the definition of -great-, and the number is most likely somewhere between 5 and 8 depending on that definitions. However, arguing differently - this not the sixth great mass extinction (counting sequentially). This is the first or greatest mass extinction (measured by severity). The only difference is that we are in the run up stage looking forward guessing how high the peak severity will be, not on the far side looking backward to see how large the peak was. We’re number one! We’re number one! And that is a truly horrible thing.
@@thegreatstory I think you are the most macro picture aware theologian I have had the pleasure of hearing. Your observations sans judgement speaks volumes to my pragmatism and earned cynicism. The Anthropologie has distorted most pastoral speakers as they need to manipulate the message to monetize in neolibral capitalist competition, like so many other well intentioned organizations. Perhaps it is because you have faced honestly our extinction without expecting material gain from it. Unless you have me fooled, but I really doubt it. I am often seen as a defeatist or pessimistic person, and I defend myself by explaining that I never gave up, I was simply out-thunk before my parents were born. Thank you again for this much information!
@@thegreatstory I am listening for the second time today. You seem so concerned about the "full buffet" being so much to imbibe, but honestly it could be comfortably longer.
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Gee, the redwood tree in my yard is still producing cones just fine with no special attention.... As I said on #2 and #4, no general collapse (due to climate, at least) and the extinctions will nearly all be of already rare and vulnerable species. And #5 simply isn't as dangerous as people think - though INTENTIONAL nuclear radiation release is certainly becoming more likely with recent events........
Grin back acha, brother! "No general collapse (due to climate, at least)"?? What part of Heinberg's quote: "Climate is not our biggest predicament, ecological overshoot is" did you find hard to comprehend? Most tree SPECIES will go extinct in an already inevitable 4+C rise in average temp. #5 is way, WAY more dangerous than most people think, as (I suspect) is nuclear war and intentional release, as you say. But delighted to hear that redwoods are doing well on your land! 🙂
Re nuclear issue: I recommend starting at 16:13 and watching for ten minutes: ua-cam.com/video/iQeK04WOGaA/v-deo.html Also see… ua-cam.com/video/DXklDejXiNA/v-deo.html theecologist.org/2021/jul/14/when-climate-breakdown-goes-nuclear guymcpherson.com/means-of-extinction-nuclear-facilities-implode/ thebulletin.org/2021/04/is-the-us-nuclear-community-prepared-for-the-extreme-weather-climate-change-is-bringing/ ______ From: "Kevin Hester" kevin@iconicproperties.co.nz Subject: RE: how much radiation I’ve been involved in the anti-nuclear movement since I was a teenager over 4 decades ago. In Aotearoa NZ we managed to twist the arm of David Lange our prime minister who declared the country “Nuclear Free”. The greatest threats of the collapse of industrial civilisation will be the end of food in the supermarkets, no more water at the tap and the melt down of 450 nuclear plants and the approximately 100 spent fuel pool fires. The loss of “Global Dimming” and it’s attendant cooling effect will also have a profound effect: guymcpherson.com/2019/10/the-aerosol-masking-effect-a-brief-overview/ We came very close to having two spent fuel pool fires at Fukushima Daiichi. They were avoided when firefighters sprayed salt water into the pools as they overheated and evaporated away the coolant water that needs to be chilled and circulated 24/7 until criticality abates in the fuel assemblies: www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08929882.2016.1235382 The fuel pellets are contained in Zirconium tubes. Zirconium is an alloy that burns at about 280C, highly likely in a spent fuel pool fire when loaded with hot uranium: apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/637433.pdf I hope the above helps Best Kevin Hester
Re the "assisted migration" of trees...of course it may or may not "work" (only time will tell). It merely increases the odds of some tree species surviving this bottleneck. See the following: (1) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_migration_of_forests_in_North_America (2) thegreatstory.org/climate-trees-legacy.html (3) www.torreyaguardians.org/assisted-migration.html (4) www.amazon.com/Journeys-Trees-Forests-People-Future/dp/1324001607
@@thegreatstory I totally agree ecological overshoot is more dangerous than climate, but I'm not worried about either in terms of long-term habitability. You totally missed my point about species extinction. And I've watched plenty of the videos and information on all these topics, and the "full doom" logic just doesn't pan out. Millions of humans will survive this next century, I'm quite certain, despite all our efforts to the contrary.
Dowd is to my mind an undoubtedly decent and caring man. I've struggled with these Post Doom discussions, particularly during moments of despair and fury at our predicament. But more specifically fury at those who are responsible for bringing us all to these desperate times. Capitalist greed and hubris predominantly on the part of white males have largely driven the processes that are destroying the paradise 'Mother Earth' gifted us. And therefore to have to listen to more white males discussing the destruction of our biosphere when men such as they caused this coming catastrophe, thinking they knew better - while indigenous people's have always tried to warn them - struck me as somewhat offensive. The West has not behaved at all wisely and with compassion, love and respect for our home planet. My mother, friends and partner are all white but I am the black step-father to my two white daughters. They will almost certainly suffer the consequences of the irrevocable damage done to their planet and their life chances. In this video Dowd at last pays greater and more deserving homage both to a wider panoply of the forward-thinking and visionary female voices as well as a number of non-white indigenous voices. I'm deeply saddened to contemplate the coming collapse that will rob my beloved daughters of their promising futures. They both talk frequently about their hoped for careers and their other aspirations. My heart breaks for them, knowing what I know. But I must arrive at forgiveness in order to save me from the absolute fury I have felt towards the men who have brought us to our inevitable demise. These discussions could yet assist me in coming to terms and finding that forgiveness.
My heart is with you, brother! If it's any consolation, I suspect most of us...whatever our age or background or whatever will perish this decade. You're kids won't outlive you by long, I'm guessing. Love while we still can!!
The only thing irritating about your chats are the multiple recursive topic ‘menu’ suggestions. Can we just get a list, a menu, in the metadata? Thank you. ADDENDUM : I do appreciate your POV and stretch of ideas. Low or no-snark intended.
Skunks just stink naturally, with no effort. I create videos like this. Many people tell me they find the repeating menus helpful, but some (such as yourself) find them irritating. Trying to please everyone is impossible, of course. Thanks for being straight with me; I appreciate you for that!
Jason, you know nothing of Religious Naturalism, yes? Allow me to introduce you: ua-cam.com/video/ib33HTadXdU/v-deo.html For the record... There is NO religious pandering here...none, whatsoever. See here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_naturalism and here: religiousnaturalism.org/home2v2/ All my work -- speaking, teaching, writing, podcasts, etc is 100% woo-free. See here if you doubt me: postdoom.com/resources/
OMG. I thought these 10 inevitables would be interesting. They are a dull as dust. Totally forgetable. What is the point of these? I thought these would help me organize my thoughts on climate change.
Donnie, you do know that it's considered out of integrity, not to mention bad form, to comment on a video you've not actually experienced, yes? If you take time to actually watch (not just listen to) this two-hour video (six 20-min sections), the answer to your question, "What's the point?" will be blazingly obvious. Just sayin.... 🙂
His "inevitables" are all based upon unprovable premises. We are not collapsing. We are evolving. Most of the social problems we're dealing with are being addressed. Be responsible and honorable. Be kind, until it's time not to be. Sometimes a stand must be taken. That's all you need to happy.
John, you do know it's widely considered to be "bad form", not to mention out of integrity, to comment on a video you clearly did not watch ... or at least not carefully, yes?
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I only got to know you about a year ago and lost you too soon. Thank you for this legacy... these videos have helped me understand and live with our predicament.
I am still very young and it is hard for me to deal with these dire prospects.
One feels so lonely. I feel a lot of human warmth in your videos despite the gloomy future, that feels good.
It's all about career, achievement and material possessions in this society.
There is hardly any time to think more deeply about life and the meaning behind it. Very sad.
Thanks for your vulnerability, Lukas! Please join us for at least one or more Post Doom, No Gloom discussions. You may find it life-changing (that's my hope, at least): postdoom.com/discussions/ (I highly recommend the two videos on that page, too.)
Try not to think of life as a set out process but an adventure, the structure around us is whats caused this mess we will once again return to being one with nature like animals
So sad for you, the young especially. I first came on all this through Michael Dowd. He has some amazing resources compiled. I am so grateful to all these people and Michael Dowd. I've struggled with it and have found a lot of help and emotional sharing and support from living resilience website facilitated by another amazing person Dean Walker. I am now in several sharing groups which helps me process my feelings and move thro to gratitude of the now. Good luck to you
You are not alone. We are out here to help you succeed in your goals. You must save yourself in order to find us.
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@@Kektamusprimeunfortunately that's not going to happen at all, the end for humans and other earthlings is going to be horrific dystopian nightmare so you might want to spend as much time in nature now if you can because there's not much time left 😢
I just had some old friends react to my social media posts. They called or texted me in private. I had sent them your brief version Mr. Dowd. They went on to tell me that they are aware of inevitable collapse, but have a wife and kids to keep going as long as possible. This was validating, but shook me. I wonder how many others are bearing this weight in silence...
Lot's I'm sure!
I assure you there are many more people who feel the same way, including me! 😁
We need to speak out...I was silent. It is necessary and over time some family comes around and realizes that maybe the concerns were valid.
@@fuxan i don’t speak to my wife about this. She prefers to live her life in happy ignorance. No way do i want to make my wife unhappy.
I hate that I can’t talk to anyone. They’d think I was nuts. Everything we do seems wrong. But nobody sees that. Let’s have another baby!!
This has got to be one of the most important pieces of content I've stumbled upon in the last three years.
Thanks, Emile!
I echo many comments here, Michael. I came across your work through the wonderfully committed and brilliant Neil Davidson.
Am in awe of the dedication you have given to organising these materials.
We keep on keeping on
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PS i think we could move from self-representing as nouns (activists) to verb+adverb (loving-in-action). Verbs are relational and the adverbs add the quality. Let's focus in the quality
Thank you Michael. RIP Michael Dowd, a rare gem in a field of littered autumn leaves. 💓😓
Just watched this again 2 years after I saw it the first time. In those two years I have gained much knowledge, regarding collapse, by following people like Nate Hagens, Tom Murphy, Erik Michaels, William Reese, the honest sorcerer (I still dont know who that is), Art Berman, Peter Joseph, etc. I was starting to get a sense that Michel Dowd was more for the beginners of collapse awareness.
But after watching this video again (and several of his other videos), and because my knowledge has increased so much since the last time I watched it.... I am having what feels like an epiphany... Mr Dowd had it all figured out! I think you can skip everyone else and go straight to Michael's content to get the most accurate story behind "how did we get here?" and "whats gonna happen next?"
The only nitpicking I can come up with is: I wish he had focused more on the evils of agriculture. And more talk about EROEI. Also, he should have dumped the phrases "anthropocentrism & human centeredness" and replaced it with "human supremacy".
But thats all I got. Miss you Michael. RIP
The calmness in your voice helped me through this one. Ty
thanks
Thank you Michael for your massive volume of work. I can hardly open out to the gratitude of all you've done to get the message out there and how best to respond x
Bless you, Selene!! Love, ~ Michael
💔 This is what I needed today.
Wonderful work , thank you. Peace😊
I'm more and more coming to terms with this inevitably
Since I've watched at least 30 of the post-doom videos I think I have earned the right to be the first to to stomp on the virgin snow of an uncommented upon video. I think the perspectives and people in that series are best frame of mind with which to grapple with what is 99% sure to come. I am ordained by the Universal Life Church. When I saw his green collar, I knew what I had to wear, providing pastoral care in these end times.
I'm honored, Stonefruit Media... thanks for sharing this!
YOUR WRITING IS EPIC
I AM WEEPING .......
REALLY .......
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Thank you Rev for this , I'm relieved I haven't been an educated success in this mad civilised society.something lifted after hearing your words. Feels something like permission to live just do what's essential deep appreciation for simple joys and don't look back. You gone right to the root acknowledged the reality.so now I don't shout when the kitchen is a mess I don't complain about mud on the floor so what if the parcel gets delivered late, full joy and big respect to you from a hairdresser in London
Thank you, J.E.D!
I agree with everything you say about our time on this beautiful planet, but I feel I still need to do the best I can to mitigate Climate Change. I get very sad and depressed when I see the homeless people on the street and other people struggling with life's adversities. I am accepting the reality of our situation, and I do focus on myself and my family's well being. And now, with the war in Ukraine, it makes me so sad for the Ukrainian people, God bless you Michael.
I'm with you, Robert! (And thank you!) I, too, feel sad (though no longer depressed) when I see evidence of collapse all around me and around the world. My sense of the near-term (and beyond) future is well captured in these four short essays/posts AND the 8-minute "Newsroom" video clip at the end:
(1) "Climate Change and the Mitigation Myth" - by Mark Brimblecombe: markbrimblecombeblog.wordpress.com/2021/01/18/climate-change-and-the-mitigation-myth/
(2) "Overshoot: Where We Stand Now": (guest post I wrote for Dave Pollard's blog, "How to Save the World": howtosavetheworld.ca/2021/09/21/overshoot-where-we-stand-now-guest-post-by-michael-dowd/
(3) "Time's Up: It's the End of the World, and We Know It" - Salt Lake City Weekly cover article - by Jim Catano: www.cityweekly.net/utah/times-up/Content?oid=17298723
(4) "Climate Change is Accelerating": - Colorado Boulevard.net: www.coloradoboulevard.net/climate-change-is-accelerating/
Finally, this 8-min clip from HBO's "The Newsroom" (EPA Segments) is a classic (the most accurate portrayal on American TV of what most climate scientists know, but never say): www.dropbox.com/s/orq3tops40gftzo/The%20Newsroom%20%202013%20Environmental%20Protection%20Agency%20report%28EPA%29%3A%20Richard%20Westbrook%20scenes_1920x1080_MOV.mov?dl=0
I'm not normally into the touchy-feely aspects of collapse (I just prep for it), but these realizations (projections) about how society will react are really insightful and dead-on.
Thanks, Preacher.
Thanks, Jerry! (I prefer "Michael") 🙂
@@thegreatstory Sorry about that.
I've been mentally prepping for decades, for back to the future: An 1880's future, post collapse, post die-off, whatever.
A very important video that you have created. Thank you
I must agree with a lot of the reactions here. I am into this subject for years now. So far this is the best I encountered. No where you find as much convincing information and arguments as you do here. You can also find solace in the way it is brought. Michael's position or stance (or how do you call it; my native language is Dutch) is comforting. No hate or pointing fingers to anyone. Just the facts, with lot's of understanding and compassion. The message is dire, not easy to spread. But it has to be done. People need this in many ways. Thanks!
Thank you! (only just seeing this today, seven months after you posted it) 🙂
I have good days and bad days now. Some days I'm okay with even looking forward to the end. Watching this again, and I can't help but have a sense of deep remorse. I spent decades on Hopium and the withdrawal is a b'tch. I still have that Hopium addiction calling to me.
I sure do appreciate your humble authenticity...and for taking time to watch so much of my stuff! Let's connect live, shall we? Please reach out to me via my cell phone or email address.
@@thegreatstory Got them. Thanks!
Wow! This is terrifying and brilliant
Keep up the great work
Excellent! Thank you for not spreading hopeum. I was raised in Alaska and a few years back I returned and was shocked by the changes in the place. That got me interested in climate change and since have read a couple dozen books on it. The honest ones say we are doomed. Eight billion of and us we all have a carbon footprint and the biosphere can't sustain us. You offer a way to cope with this. I assume you have read Spinoza? You sound very like him. I try this on my friends and they either argue or change the subject. My wife says its all in Revelation. Some of it is with a lot of curve fitting. Thank you for your support. I will continue to watch your blogs.
This video is life changing. I can’t believe that I’m just now encountering this wisdom.
Wow, thanks for this comment, Chris!
Thank you for this. I saw you speak in 2007 in Chicago, bought your book, loved it, and have not revisited your work in a while. I've been creating content last week and this on Active Hope and focusing on that book and the Work That Reconnects and listened to your most recent interview with Joanna Macy. This video has helped me so much and will inform my work going forward. So painful to feel this grief and so necessary to be able to live, love, co-create with, and serve our beloved world. Thank you again.
You're most welcome!
bravo.......that is a great 2 hours of information.
Interesting:
@23:45
Getting your own values being explained by another person because I wasn't able to put them into words. Thank you for this
From now on I will see my garden tour as a form of worshipping :)
Indeed! (Thanks!!)
@@thegreatstory and it actually felt great.
The thing to worry about even more than the reactors is the spent fuel pools. It takes less than a week after the last power is lost before they are Chernobyl scale disasters. And since all reactors have a spent fuel pool adjacent to the reactors, that same time period is the time until any potential to deal with the reactor is entirely lost leading to double Chernobyl scale disasters.
Also, as is now clear from Ukraine, war is a driver for nuclear catastrophe at least six ways.
1. Direct assault on the reactors or their controls or operators.
2. Indirect assault by attacking the power systems.
3. Indirect assault by preventing diesel fuel deliveries combined with loss of electric systems.
4. Direct assault on spent fuel pools.
5. Attack on and killing or excluding of operators.
6. Use of “tactical” nuclear weapons.
hi! it is very dense. Lots of post work to be done here to share this a little further.... Today I will stop at the slide at 51:54 about the predicament of our carrying capacity deficit world. It really tells it all, yet, it tells nothing to the ignorant. Thanks for sharing your understanding, many interesting quotes and ideas into it (but you knew that xd).
The way through this for me is being called "non-duality". That the "I" is actually "just awareness" and not the thoughts, feelings, sensations and perceptions we experience that produce a false, egoic sense of an "I". Rather, those are all just other objects of awareness like a sofa. I also no longer believe in free will, which oddly makes it easier for me to have some compassion for those who have brought this doom down upon us and their denialist enablers.
I am cursed with being unable to deny the cold hard truths of the world. But I continue to believe there is considerable uncertainty in the when and how change occurs. History seems to tell us things always last longer than people expect. And I’m not convinced we yet know how to identity even the first indicators of significant natural change, or even how social change will occur. But this is very interesting work.
My heart is with you. fyi.... I've got a new video coming out tomorrow: "Hopium Detox and Recovery: Accepting and Trusting Unstoppable Collapse." I think you may enjoy it.
I had the pleasure of reconnecting to your video series on The Great Story this week, and watched this video as well, very powerful and well “scholarshiped” presentation. Lots to think about, thank you for you important works.
Wonderful, brother...thanks for letting me know! As you may already know, my best and most up-to-date stuff is on this page: postdoom.com/resources/
I know I've already commented on my first watch but I just wanted to say thank you for putting this video together. This video has, and will continue to bring me great relief. One love.
Awesome! Thank you! :o))
Thanks, Susanna!
The end of Don't Look Up is what we will soon be facing. On one hand I'm sad, but on the other hand, the last people I cared about recently betrayed me and stabbed me in the back and shown that they don't in fact love me at all, let alone as much as I've loved them. So.... yeah, let it burn. I don't even care anymore.
Wow ❤
I’m sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you. I love you…. Probably the most important prayer for these times…
Thank you for creating this video and for compiling all those resources on your postdoom website. They have helped me a great deal in accepting our predicament. You are doing g🌍d's work.
Thank you for this important work Michael! Would you please clarify your position on activism? I accept that climate change, as a byproduct of ecological overshoot, is inevitable, but I am hoping that, if we push for a radical degrowth mindset, we can somehow SLOW IT DOWN so that my children can have a challenging but continued existence? To me, non-selfrighteous activism is love in action. -David (not quite cured of hope!)
I prefer "love-in-action" to "activism" (as I discuss in this video, twice) because many (most?) forms of activism are still fear and anger-based, in my experience. I always encourage people to find ways of actively contributing to the health and wellbeing of their communities - and sometimes that means doing all we can to halt, prevent, or limit future destruction and devastation. I am a big-hearted, full-throated support for your "push for radical degrowth"! Even though I think untold billions of human beings and other animals will die, and civilization will continue collapsing ever more noticeably and painfully, this decade (and next, if we're lucky).
Michael, I would be interested in your thoughts as to how deeply a sustainable culture could have pursued knowledge, science, and technology. Is it possible for a sustainable culture to strive towards a mastery of chemistry? of genetic engineering? of space travel?
I prefer a philosophical motif rather than your religious motif, but I think they arrive at the same place. And I'm reminded that it's been a few years since I've watched Koyaanisqatsi, which - somehow - is now forty years old. Have you seen it?
Thank you for your video - it was indeed a buffet!
I think the point is how the "progress" is a myopia of sorts --- eventually the cons outweigh the pros and history is showing us the indigenous ways were what may have allowed us to eek out a few more generations of human civs.
I've come to realize that although I thought I was non-religious I actually worshipped technology. I grew up believing science and technology would solve man's problems. It had always served us so well, or so it seemed. I mocked religion while being no better.
I've come to realize the story of the Garden of Eden was misinterpreted. All we had to do was wait for the apple to fall and nature would have given us the knowledge we needed, Instead, we were impatient and went and took the knowledge from nature by force revealing our own failing and securing our fate...
Wow, I really like that interpretation! Thanks!! 🙂
I'm paralysed.
The world at the moment. Everything feels so pointless. And that it could end soon.
But I don't know that for sure.
I study horticulture and love it. I have an awesome job as a permaculture designer.
But I can't do the necessary work.
I want to but I can't....
Yet :)
I do understand! Join us... we begin in 10 minutes... postdoom.com/discussions/
Responding to change can be a call to hyper-agency. Respond at the household level!!!! I am systematically “engineering” complexity/energy out of my household’s life. Food, production and storage, core energy production...... what are YOU doing NOW to respond at a household level?????
Quite interesting that you published this right before the invasion of Ukraine -- which has accelerated the aggravation of the trends you are listing.
There is no doubt in my own mind that survival instincts will cause our brain, demand that our brain, interprets what we see in a positive surviving way. If that is deny, or distract, or flat out disagree, that is completely understandable, but we need to recognize that is what our brain is doing.,telling us what it wants us to accept. And we bump that interpretation up to a Belief.
Thanks for the compilation and references. Unless our species changes our fundamental culture and characteristics it's a question if when this unravels. If the thwaites glacier goes that's when I'd expect to see panic. And there's a possibility of that in 2-5 years, that or a Blue Ocean event by 2030 .
Your comment, "Unless our species changes our fundamental culture and characteristics" suggests to me that you haven't carefully watched this video yet, or perhaps just missed the part where I discuss precisely this faulty belief, beginning here: ua-cam.com/video/Y-1fv-5_ldM/v-deo.html (but I recommend the previous half-hour, too, as it will be more compelling that way).
@@thegreatstory Right. 'We' can't. It's not in human nature in groups of us larger than a small tribe. As soon as one person thinks someone else is cheating and getting away with more for doing less then they will want to follow suit and then it's all down hill from there. In smaller groups it's easier to regulate and check such behavior.
"Militate against", not "mitigate against". You can mitiGAte something (i.e. lessen its impact), and you can miLITAte against something (i.e. fight against it), but you can't mitigate AGAINST something. "Mitigate" is a transitive verb.
shut up
@@democrazy69 Uh, no. One should thank those who correct grammar and spelling.
The only good Nazi is a Grammar Nazi! Thanks!
Anyone know where to find rhe animation about the blue ocean event?
It wa about some rich people going to some islands to wait out the collapse and at the end rhe main guy wind sails out into the ocean and dies.
Time to accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior and follow him. All is not lost, hopeless, as depicted here.
Thank you for taking the time to get this information, knowledge and wisdom out in the way you have pulled it all together. I'm 68yrs young and it was through Guy Mcpherson, Jim Bendell and Paul Beckwith that first grabbed my attention during 2017. I have accepted that we are in the time of abrupt, irreversible climate change and near term collapse. I believe 2026 to be a pivotal year.! I did inform my family. I also continued to have, up until recently, another question concerning, if the 'elites' who are also very much more informed concerning inevitable and near term civilization collapse, why they just allow themselves to be knocked into a new Stoneage and probably followed by extinction. I think not! In order for a small remnant of civilization to continue on (to the Moon, Mars, etc) while at the same time saving as much infrastructure as possible) Wouldn't these intelligent sapiens have a 'Before Doomsday Plan'. Perhaps such a smart plan would also include dealing with the real problem of human overshoot. Would adjusting the population down to approx 200 MILLION be an alternative to extinction of all life on Earth. (Selection as per future requirements) And if They know our true and real predicament
Wouldn't the 'GOD' species know that their window of opportunity to act must begin soon, if as we are told 2026 may just be a few short years away?
I am entering this conversation Late but caught your 2026 date. I learned all this about 25 years ago. The Economy and Overpopulation have fascinated me. The free no interest digital money….building mega Cities….high rise Housing…Globalization vs Nations growing their own Food…we departed Reality….long ago….a super AI computer obviously runs the Economy and organizes every Crisis and restructuring of Collapse. I do feel that when the tipping point hits….even the Artificial intelligence may lose control. 2026 too seems accurate due to massive Earthquakes….and Volcanic events beyond our previous records….then Climate collapse will really kick In. A force of Evil and Greed brought us to 8 billion mobbed into mega Cities like a cockroach Trap….Food shipped in from afar. Intelligence is likely a poor Word….Clever….blind in our greed….obsessed with ourSelfIndulgence and our superficial appreciation for Nature and God.
The majority of mankind has a DENIAL default setting.
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Thanks!
I trust only in myself. I have faith only in myself. I believe only in myself. I need no one but myself. I am my own creator and my own destroyer. I do not care about if there is anything after death.
I honestly have no idea what you're saying here. Speaking only for myself... I trust life. I have faith in life (which includes death and extinctions). I need life. Life is my creator and my destroyer. Is there life after death? Of course! After I die, life goes on. Next question? 🙂
@@thegreatstory You're lucky to have never been betrayed and attacked by people you love and who you truly believed loved you too, your own family (and due to their own selfish self-interest, even the most minor of such interests). I've lost my faith and trust in people.
@thegreatstory, Will oil peaking in 2018 stop RPC 8.5 from happening or will feedback loops alone bring us there?
Unfortunately, no, the feedback loops are already in runaway, unstoppable mode. See my response to a post today on r/collapse for details... www.reddit.com/r/collapze/comments/vvkzu4/mit_scientists_think_theyve_discovered_how_to/
@@thegreatstory This also provides a very sobering resolution to the Fermi Paradox. If life forms exist on other planets, they probably have the same laws of ecology that we do. This would explain why we don't see evidence of alien civilizations: They are inherently self terminating.
@@thegreatstory John Michael Greer wrote in his post on June 1st 2022 that we had climatic swings this large during the Pleistocene. But then I remembered that during the Pleistocene we didn't have 8 billion people reliant on agriculture, which depends on a stable climate.
Find all my inspiration in meditation on abrupt population reduction.
Being inspired by what is inevitable sure beats the hell out of being terrified by it. Especially given that it's going to happen either way. :-)
I wonder if the authors of “Climate Solution” books keep the profits or donate it all to eco-solutions? Let’s find out
Good question. But given that there are NO solutions to our predicament, it no longer matters to me, really.
I respect you and Guy's perspectives-- but. Oh-- the but; you're complicating it for most of us. I have the comprehension to understand you complex dudes, but scientists and some preachers don't know how to communicate. Please keep it simple-- like your dude, JC. Truly love you...
There are many more than 6 mass extinctions. There are {arguably} six -great- mass extinctions. People can and do argue about the definition of -great-, and the number is most likely somewhere between 5 and 8 depending on that definitions.
However, arguing differently - this not the sixth great mass extinction (counting sequentially). This is the first or greatest mass extinction (measured by severity). The only difference is that we are in the run up stage looking forward guessing how high the peak severity will be, not on the far side looking backward to see how large the peak was.
We’re number one! We’re number one! And that is a truly horrible thing.
In my part of the world many trees are starting to become extinct.
I'm sure. And that pace will only pick up.
@@thegreatstory I think you are the most macro picture aware theologian I have had the pleasure of hearing. Your observations sans judgement speaks volumes to my pragmatism and earned cynicism. The Anthropologie has distorted most pastoral speakers as they need to manipulate the message to monetize in neolibral capitalist competition, like so many other well intentioned organizations. Perhaps it is because you have faced honestly our extinction without expecting material gain from it. Unless you have me fooled, but I really doubt it. I am often seen as a defeatist or pessimistic person, and I defend myself by explaining that I never gave up, I was simply out-thunk before my parents were born.
Thank you again for this much information!
@@thegreatstory I am listening for the second time today. You seem so concerned about the "full buffet" being so much to imbibe, but honestly it could be comfortably longer.
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Got a new one coming out tomorrow: "Hopium Detox and Recovery: Accepting and Trusting Unstoppable Collapse."
EARTH WITHOUT END
Good luck with that one :-)
Gee, the redwood tree in my yard is still producing cones just fine with no special attention....
As I said on #2 and #4, no general collapse (due to climate, at least) and the extinctions will nearly all be of already rare and vulnerable species. And #5 simply isn't as dangerous as people think - though INTENTIONAL nuclear radiation release is certainly becoming more likely with recent events........
Grin back acha, brother! "No general collapse (due to climate, at least)"?? What part of Heinberg's quote: "Climate is not our biggest predicament, ecological overshoot is" did you find hard to comprehend? Most tree SPECIES will go extinct in an already inevitable 4+C rise in average temp. #5 is way, WAY more dangerous than most people think, as (I suspect) is nuclear war and intentional release, as you say. But delighted to hear that redwoods are doing well on your land! 🙂
Re nuclear issue: I recommend starting at 16:13 and watching for ten minutes: ua-cam.com/video/iQeK04WOGaA/v-deo.html
Also see… ua-cam.com/video/DXklDejXiNA/v-deo.html
theecologist.org/2021/jul/14/when-climate-breakdown-goes-nuclear
guymcpherson.com/means-of-extinction-nuclear-facilities-implode/
thebulletin.org/2021/04/is-the-us-nuclear-community-prepared-for-the-extreme-weather-climate-change-is-bringing/
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From: "Kevin Hester" kevin@iconicproperties.co.nz
Subject: RE: how much radiation
I’ve been involved in the anti-nuclear movement since I was a teenager over 4 decades ago. In Aotearoa NZ we managed to twist the arm of David Lange our prime minister who declared the country “Nuclear Free”.
The greatest threats of the collapse of industrial civilisation will be the end of food in the supermarkets, no more water at the tap and the melt down of 450 nuclear plants and the approximately 100 spent fuel pool fires. The loss of “Global Dimming” and it’s attendant cooling effect will also have a profound effect:
guymcpherson.com/2019/10/the-aerosol-masking-effect-a-brief-overview/
We came very close to having two spent fuel pool fires at Fukushima Daiichi. They were avoided when firefighters sprayed salt water into the pools as they overheated and evaporated away the coolant water that needs to be chilled and circulated 24/7 until criticality abates in the fuel assemblies:
www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08929882.2016.1235382
The fuel pellets are contained in Zirconium tubes. Zirconium is an alloy that burns at about 280C, highly likely in a spent fuel pool fire when loaded with hot uranium:
apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/637433.pdf
I hope the above helps
Best
Kevin Hester
Re the "assisted migration" of trees...of course it may or may not "work" (only time will tell). It merely increases the odds of some tree species surviving this bottleneck. See the following:
(1) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_migration_of_forests_in_North_America
(2) thegreatstory.org/climate-trees-legacy.html
(3) www.torreyaguardians.org/assisted-migration.html
(4) www.amazon.com/Journeys-Trees-Forests-People-Future/dp/1324001607
@@thegreatstory I totally agree ecological overshoot is more dangerous than climate, but I'm not worried about either in terms of long-term habitability. You totally missed my point about species extinction. And I've watched plenty of the videos and information on all these topics, and the "full doom" logic just doesn't pan out. Millions of humans will survive this next century, I'm quite certain, despite all our efforts to the contrary.
@@Bookhermit As I've already stated, I admire and respect your faith, I just don't happen to hold it myself.
Dowd is to my mind an undoubtedly decent and caring man. I've struggled with these Post Doom discussions, particularly during moments of despair and fury at our predicament. But more specifically fury at those who are responsible for bringing us all to these desperate times. Capitalist greed and hubris predominantly on the part of white males have largely driven the processes that are destroying the paradise 'Mother Earth' gifted us. And therefore to have to listen to more white males discussing the destruction of our biosphere when men such as they caused this coming catastrophe, thinking they knew better - while indigenous people's have always tried to warn them - struck me as somewhat offensive. The West has not behaved at all wisely and with compassion, love and respect for our home planet. My mother, friends and partner are all white but I am the black step-father to my two white daughters. They will almost certainly suffer the consequences of the irrevocable damage done to their planet and their life chances.
In this video Dowd at last pays greater and more deserving homage both to a wider panoply of the forward-thinking and visionary female voices as well as a number of non-white indigenous voices. I'm deeply saddened to contemplate the coming collapse that will rob my beloved daughters of their promising futures. They both talk frequently about their hoped for careers and their other aspirations. My heart breaks for them, knowing what I know. But I must arrive at forgiveness in order to save me from the absolute fury I have felt towards the men who have brought us to our inevitable demise.
These discussions could yet assist me in coming to terms and finding that forgiveness.
My heart is with you, brother!
If it's any consolation, I suspect most of us...whatever our age or background or whatever will perish this decade. You're kids won't outlive you by long, I'm guessing. Love while we still can!!
Time is construct.
And ecology is theology!
Testing
We - and I’m sure you too - hope you are wrong, but…
Yup!
The only thing irritating about your chats are the multiple recursive topic ‘menu’ suggestions. Can we just get a list, a menu, in the metadata? Thank you.
ADDENDUM : I do appreciate your POV and stretch of ideas. Low or no-snark intended.
Skunks just stink naturally, with no effort. I create videos like this. Many people tell me they find the repeating menus helpful, but some (such as yourself) find them irritating. Trying to please everyone is impossible, of course. Thanks for being straight with me; I appreciate you for that!
There are timestamps in the shownotes. Maybe there wasn’t before?
@@johanbrandstedt9570 I only added the time-coded table of contents two days ago.
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I don’t have denial. Not me pal no way. That’s not true. Take it back.
Are you aware of households that are appropriately responding to the predicament? Could you put some effort into solutions?
We need to get this shit in perspective....to do so check out the Younger Dryas, and what kind of climate changes occurred back then
Lots of great ideas but the religious pandering really rubs me the wrong way.
Jason, you know nothing of Religious Naturalism, yes? Allow me to introduce you: ua-cam.com/video/ib33HTadXdU/v-deo.html For the record... There is NO religious pandering here...none, whatsoever. See here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_naturalism and here: religiousnaturalism.org/home2v2/ All my work -- speaking, teaching, writing, podcasts, etc is 100% woo-free. See here if you doubt me: postdoom.com/resources/
OMG. I thought these 10 inevitables would be interesting. They are a dull as dust. Totally forgetable. What is the point of these? I thought these would help me organize my thoughts on climate change.
Donnie, you do know that it's considered out of integrity, not to mention bad form, to comment on a video you've not actually experienced, yes? If you take time to actually watch (not just listen to) this two-hour video (six 20-min sections), the answer to your question, "What's the point?" will be blazingly obvious. Just sayin.... 🙂
I don’t have my own God so i borrowed my neighbor’s without asking. I need to get it back before 8:00 so he doesn’t notice it’s missing
Kafka Trap. Starts off with denial arguments that preclude disagreement.
Which of the ten things I'm claiming are "inevitable" would you argue are not, and what is your evidence?
Good until the groveling apology about "White guys" @ minute 56.
You don't think it's just a tad silly to criticize a two-hour video because of one minute?
His "inevitables" are all based upon unprovable premises. We are not collapsing. We are evolving. Most of the social problems we're dealing with are being addressed. Be responsible and honorable. Be kind, until it's time not to be. Sometimes a stand must be taken. That's all you need to happy.
[most people will have a hard time trusting how & why our civilization is collapsing]
John, you do know it's widely considered to be "bad form", not to mention out of integrity, to comment on a video you clearly did not watch ... or at least not carefully, yes?
There's that almighty "we" again
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thanks