I didn't want to type this because it sounds a bit ''condescending''' in my eyes however with so many comments I need to clarify that this Tier-list is based off Diamond-Paragon Ranked play. I would like to also say, that Morigesh, Khaimera, Countess & Grux will be higher up if I based this of Bronze-Gold Ranked play, whilst Heroes like Wraith, Feng Mao & Sevarog probably fall a few ranks due to being harder to play/understand.
An interesting idea for 2 videos would be a follow up to this tier list. One video would be taking each hero in "C" and "F" teir and going over what changes; anything from minor to reworks, you think the devs could make to improve the heroes. The second would be the opposite, take the heroes in "S" (which are usually broken or overperforming) and go over what changes they could make to bring them within the "A" to "A+" teir.
Argus is still very strong. not the strongest against tanks sure but with how fast his wave clear is he can roam and kill from jungle with ult or push lanes and basically get a free kill on solo lane with a stun, rmb, ult combo. Im shocked hes not banned or even picked much
I think Argus is S/A+ as a G1 player. The nerf to his stun is rough, but the QOL change to have a more accurate animation is a buff. I run FULL mage Argus support (Mega, Wraith, Scepter, Noxia, Caustica, O Crown). With that build, you can 1v1 carries or even 1v2 against a carry and support (depending on the support). Since Magic defense items are a little lacking, you do crazy damage in lane and late game. If ran mid, you can execute people from the river if your duo or offlaner has vision on a low enemy that’s hitting a “safe back” under tower.
I've used her as ADC in Gold Rank and have done quite well. She's just a ADC melee. Once we get Yin, you might see some Serath Carrys. Then all of a sudden she's a good hero.
So for low and gold rank put Feng mao and Wraith down. Put Morigesh, Grux, and Khai up. Everything else matches up at any difficulty from my experience. P.S. I appreciate the Shinbi love. She feels solid in this meta.
I downloaded this game with full intentions of grinding it as my main game, but is there a point? As someone who used to play league of legends for money and quit since about 2019, the return of Paragon had me ecstatic. However, whenever i try and lock in for a grind session, the queues seem to make it impossible. Even leveling my account is a significant time investment, are ranked matches any different from just normal queues? And if i start climbing, is the Rank 1 grind even something that is possible?
@@andrewscott2664 I mean, I love the game. I'm talking about above plat, as that's still really just metal ranks. The playerbase seems small. And I'm concerned that once hitting platinum and above, finding matches is either going to take forever, or they're going to be poor quality, mixed rank games with little thought or skill expression.
Huh, idk empti in my ranked games of gold 1. I see a lot of morigesh, and they dominate the battlefield. They never miss their ult or mark abilities! I think your just not a midlane main anymore
Play the Shinbi give her the stage she deserves. Everyone else is hate criming her (i dont care: mid offlane or jungle doesn´t matter to me. Her music shines in every role)
They have no idea about what are they doing,i hope you make non stop guide about roles/what are their responsibilities,how to play as a team,game is good but with this kind of player base evetything is meaningless,playing the game is kinda waste of time.
I really don’t understand some of your placement. Wraith being broken is laughable, and Morigesh having a weak lane and having to get to late game is also so inaccurate. She has the weakest late game of any mid, and wraith takes 4 items to exist if he doesn’t get a crazy lead, and just gets perma pushed. Just some bias I see in most of your reviews. Like the content though, Just question where some of these takes come from
Wraith is most definitely broken right now. I think you might not think so because you might not be playing against good Wraith players. Morigesh is just easy to play, so it's hard to do bad on, but generally speaking good mid-laners will out-pressure you and out-range you, and you will only be a human at 3 items + unless opposition is trolling/not playing right. The 'takes' come from Paragon-Diamond ranked queue games on EU & talking to competitive players who play in tournaments, if that helps.
@@Empti_ I don’t think a character is busted because very high ranked players can do well with him. Most people are not high diamond competitive. Most wraith players I see get bodied, which I can’t say for many other mid laners who consistently do well easily. Hopefully Omeda looks at their own data for balance, because I just worry content creators using very niche data to make tier lists will cause Omeda to nerf the wrong heroes. Like imagine if they decided to buff Morigesh laning based on this video? Or nerf Wraiths poke? She would just roll over anyone, and be would never be picked again
@@Empti_ I would be very interested in a casual lobby tier list honestly. Really enjoy your content btw and that you are willing to engage with a rando on UA-cam. Keep up the great work
Riktor hook sould not "insta" pull its way to broken. Paired with an adc there is no way out just for one hook. Its should rather "slow" pull you towars him.
Phase on the bottom. Don’t agree with that at all. Yeah she not the strongest but her magic ray combined with her ultimate works amazing. I played with her yesterday and got 19 assists.
I didn't want to type this because it sounds a bit ''condescending''' in my eyes however with so many comments I need to clarify that this Tier-list is based off Diamond-Paragon Ranked play. I would like to also say, that Morigesh, Khaimera, Countess & Grux will be higher up if I based this of Bronze-Gold Ranked play, whilst Heroes like Wraith, Feng Mao & Sevarog probably fall a few ranks due to being harder to play/understand.
The only thing that hasn't changed is Empti's dominance on the battlefield
would def like to see a feng mao solo and jungle vid to see why he is so good right now
Me too🤣
An interesting idea for 2 videos would be a follow up to this tier list. One video would be taking each hero in "C" and "F" teir and going over what changes; anything from minor to reworks, you think the devs could make to improve the heroes. The second would be the opposite, take the heroes in "S" (which are usually broken or overperforming) and go over what changes they could make to bring them within the "A" to "A+" teir.
Argus is still very strong. not the strongest against tanks sure but with how fast his wave clear is he can roam and kill from jungle with ult or push lanes and basically get a free kill on solo lane with a stun, rmb, ult combo. Im shocked hes not banned or even picked much
not to mention hes still a pretty good support
I think Argus is S/A+ as a G1 player. The nerf to his stun is rough, but the QOL change to have a more accurate animation is a buff. I run FULL mage Argus support (Mega, Wraith, Scepter, Noxia, Caustica, O Crown). With that build, you can 1v1 carries or even 1v2 against a carry and support (depending on the support). Since Magic defense items are a little lacking, you do crazy damage in lane and late game. If ran mid, you can execute people from the river if your duo or offlaner has vision on a low enemy that’s hitting a “safe back” under tower.
Ngl Serath has been ridiculous melts carries way too fast and can out scale people pretty fast
Yeah the serath avg pick is crazy to me jungle
And off lane I think she is very strong
I've used her as ADC in Gold Rank and have done quite well. She's just a ADC melee. Once we get Yin, you might see some Serath Carrys. Then all of a sudden she's a good hero.
@@hermanjohnson9180 I remember I used to use Yin mid and offlane crazy reach for a melee
Hey Empti, can we see a Greystone video? Just want to see how you play in the jungle. Amazing work thanks man!
planned for sure!
So for low and gold rank put Feng mao and Wraith down. Put Morigesh, Grux, and Khai up.
Everything else matches up at any difficulty from my experience.
P.S. I appreciate the Shinbi love. She feels solid in this meta.
I'd agree with that one yeah
How do you deal with fey as howie in mid? The vertical hitbox on her ult pulls me out of mine every time.
It's a really bad matchup for Howie
I downloaded this game with full intentions of grinding it as my main game, but is there a point?
As someone who used to play league of legends for money and quit since about 2019, the return of Paragon had me ecstatic. However, whenever i try and lock in for a grind session, the queues seem to make it impossible.
Even leveling my account is a significant time investment, are ranked matches any different from just normal queues? And if i start climbing, is the Rank 1 grind even something that is possible?
Took me about a month to go from unranked to plat, but I enjoy the game. If you don’t then the grind won’t be worth it
@@andrewscott2664 I mean, I love the game. I'm talking about above plat, as that's still really just metal ranks.
The playerbase seems small. And I'm concerned that once hitting platinum and above, finding matches is either going to take forever, or they're going to be poor quality, mixed rank games with little thought or skill expression.
thank you for putting mori in f tier. i still wanna see you do muriel mid though
Huh, idk empti in my ranked games of gold 1. I see a lot of morigesh, and they dominate the battlefield. They never miss their ult or mark abilities!
I think your just not a midlane main anymore
@@StrangerDG 😂😂
@@Empti_I’m just getting into ranked and I am in Gold as well…
Gold is not a high Elo my guy. It’s mediocre at best
@@micahhoffman3519 He was being sarcastic/memey, because some people genuinely type that stuff.
Play the Shinbi give her the stage she deserves. Everyone else is hate criming her (i dont care: mid offlane or jungle doesn´t matter to me. Her music shines in every role)
Finally someone other than me has put Mori where she belongs. Seein Mori is almost a guaranteed win in lane
Someone said Days before Wraith is D Tier but i see it as u hes always S-Tier if u know how to play him
Please make an aurora video, I'm trying to learn and you're the best educational content creator
There's a semi recent Aurora Jungle video! But I'll try to get a new one soonish.
@@Empti_ I'm trying to learn offlane but I'll certainly go back and watch that video!
I think your wrong unless you don't know how to play with countess. I have a lot fun playing countess and I make lots of kills too
@@daniela.9953 im guessing you are low elo
Who is the best jungler
Probably riktor right now.
They have no idea about what are they doing,i hope you make non stop guide about roles/what are their responsibilities,how to play as a team,game is good but with this kind of player base evetything is meaningless,playing the game is kinda waste of time.
When did this patch come out?
For me every time my team pick bellica and Gideon is a auto loss
I dunno man…Greystone has been doing good lately to me. Especially up against Grux. 🤷♂️
Depends on the rank no?
ah yes the whole "but this character works for me" line
yea play in high ranked and then talk
@@n7jaeger974 stfu if you don’t know how to properly use him just say that. Clown!
Seller is S for me , Damage/utility is crazy . On top of having an escape
Who tf is seller
@@renthevillain1885fr
@@renthevillain18858d later and we still don’t know who seller is 😞
Tf sparrow C?
i would definitely put morigesh at A even after update
I still think Argus is the best mage
I really don’t understand some of your placement. Wraith being broken is laughable, and Morigesh having a weak lane and having to get to late game is also so inaccurate. She has the weakest late game of any mid, and wraith takes 4 items to exist if he doesn’t get a crazy lead, and just gets perma pushed. Just some bias I see in most of your reviews. Like the content though, Just question where some of these takes come from
Wraith is most definitely broken right now. I think you might not think so because you might not be playing against good Wraith players. Morigesh is just easy to play, so it's hard to do bad on, but generally speaking good mid-laners will out-pressure you and out-range you, and you will only be a human at 3 items + unless opposition is trolling/not playing right. The 'takes' come from Paragon-Diamond ranked queue games on EU & talking to competitive players who play in tournaments, if that helps.
@@Empti_ I don’t think a character is busted because very high ranked players can do well with him. Most people are not high diamond competitive. Most wraith players I see get bodied, which I can’t say for many other mid laners who consistently do well easily. Hopefully Omeda looks at their own data for balance, because I just worry content creators using very niche data to make tier lists will cause Omeda to nerf the wrong heroes. Like imagine if they decided to buff Morigesh laning based on this video? Or nerf Wraiths poke? She would just roll over anyone, and be would never be picked again
@@evancannata3781 I mean I can tell you they balance from top-down, but also take in consideration pick-rate & up-coming skins on heroes.
@@Empti_ I would be very interested in a casual lobby tier list honestly. Really enjoy your content btw and that you are willing to engage with a rando on UA-cam. Keep up the great work
@@evancannata3781 you want him to make a separate tier list just for you?
Riktor hook sould not "insta" pull its way to broken. Paired with an adc there is no way out just for one hook. Its should rather "slow" pull you towars him.
Rat
This list is doo doo
you look like doo doo
Phase on the bottom. Don’t agree with that at all. Yeah she not the strongest but her magic ray combined with her ultimate works amazing. I played with her yesterday and got 19 assists.