I had a game recently where my mid lane just gave up and started pinging/spinning in base. Even as a 4v5 it was a super winnable game. Another player lost hope after like 5 mins, and chose to also just hang out in base. I got chat muted for the conversation we had after that. I admit I wasn’t nice, but I didn’t tell anyone to off themselves or uninstall, but I can’t understand why you would just rather quit the game you’re in to just start another… My mates were the other 2 players who were still playing, and I know we reported both AFKers. Of course, we queue into them in our next game. So from our perspective, two toxic players spoil a game, receive 3 reports minimum as they intentionally throw a game, but are unpunished. I on the other hand am punished for being frustrated by their behavior. Stupid
When you see your teammates feeding 0-10 and refusing to f1 you dont really want to play the match and want it to end ASAP even by means of afking because if you will play it further you will just suffer more.
@@Jerohnableno lol AFK mid Match is just dumb especially before 20 mins makes zero sense. Just finish the game trough it’s toxic and dumb people should get banned for that
I tried my first match and even said in chat it’s my first. I play mobas so I wasn’t doing bad I had good communications literally more then my teammates and led a early mid gank with my carry as phase. Later on I figure out my Adc sucks so I start ganking more to not fall in levels hanging with them. I then figure out phase has a team mate pull and I saved my team so many times and then I see my crunch is winning a 1v1 and about to get ganked from jungle so I pull him and he pings me and types “why’d you pull” me?! good job. So I stopped pulling him then later he needed it but I was focused on my other teammate because crunch was too far in and he died and goes “the one time I actually needed it..” Teammates told him to stop complaining in standards but I’m like bro ITS MY FIRST MATCH! it was a 35 minute match against tryhards and I didn’t even do bad and this dude still getting salty at me? If I saw someone else playing how I did on their first I’d be pleasantly surprised not surprised they’re not playing perfect on their first match. Wasnt expecting league level toxicity but aye it’s a MOBA 🤷🏾 Edit: it is exactly like league but more like the mobile version. A game where you’re afraid to type “gl hf”. After about 32 matches 26 of them had full on tryhard complainers. I enjoy the competition it’s forced me to get better quickly but it is insane how much EVERYONE expects you to play fully locked in 100% no mistakes no matter if it’s standards, brawl (arena) or ranked. If there was a Christmas mode where you can only throw snowballs and ride sleighs that do 1M damage I guarantee if you ain’t playing to win no mistakes at all you’re gonna hear about it from your teammates. Zero chill, zero new player comfort. It’s all in or feel bad just for not having discovered this hidden game as early as the other person. Even league players understand if it’s your first 3 games you won’t be on a ranked level. Only difference is it’s not slow enough for people to take time to type in hate messages. If you’re competitive like me you’ll love it completely fine but If you try to bring your gf or sibling they will cry.
I hope they implement some of these changes. As someone with over 700 hours, I stopped playing completely 3 weeks ago because I just got tired of the toxicity/throwing. I’ve never seen it so bad in a game as this one 😢 It would be nice to receive a confirmation when omega has taken action on a reported individual similar to Overwatch
I like the ideas quite a lot! Specially the chance to get the role one. Also, I would add that when the playerbase grows, they could have people in the “F” category match up with “F”, this way the toxic players would get rid of themselves. By matching up that category together, the toxicity would be horrendous, where within time the category itself would fade as the players would stop slowly to play.
Empti, thanks for taking your time you put behind this system! I wouldn’t ever think of this reputatiton aspect since I have no experience playing mobas apart from original Paragon... But maan, it sounds sooo good! I am a competitive player who doesn’t mind losing when the match was good from both sides, but the number of trolls; afkers or just people that mental boom is insane even in high MMR lobbies (dia/para). It’s so frustrating winning a 40min sweaty game and the next one losing because of troll or afker, resulting in the same VP (MMR) loss.... And it’s even more frustrating when you know reporting doesn’t solve anything and this guy who griefed you gonna play again and again like nothing happened. Remember one of your videos when a steel guy (Maffioso) griefed your game so hard? This guys griefed 2 of my games already too and quess what - he still didn’t take his pills and is happily playing (might be a strong word) to this day 😀 The another issue of Pred is of course unbalanced matchmaking, but I understand that goes hand in hand with low players base and is also a different topic. But I just wanted to point it out as well as it’s irritating me too. Truly hope they implement the reputation system asap, can’t unsee it now😂 Have a great day, PewPewGunZ✌
Great video! Tough to penalize negative people in a game with a small community but hopefully they can find a way to tune it properly for good standing players!!
It’s crazy to me that you can’t just queue into your favorite role with a secondary role- almost all other games do it and I would rather have that system and wait an extra minute or two for a match than have somebody steal the role and feed 9 kills to their team and afk. A lot of the time people will troll bc they didn’t get the role they want too. That would solve a lot of the toxicity and is so crazy simple to implement and most other mobas have it. People are dodging the character select half the time bc they didn’t get their role anyway so you have to search for a match like three times before actually getting into one
Couple other ideas: General: You can only be matched with players in the adjacent reputational rankings - e.g. a good standing player can only be matched with great standing and OK standing players, a poor standing player can only be matched with bad standing players. Will probably need a larger playerbase for this to be effective, however. Great standing: 100% ranked VP gain Good standing: 90% ranked VP gain OK standing: 80% ranked VP gain Bad standing: 60% ranked VP gain Poor standing: 40% ranked VP gain
I agree that Pred needs something like this. I myself now basically always have my chat muted because the toxicity so often ruins my enjoyment - sometimes even gets me soaked in - hence muting was the only way to get some enjoyment back. The problem I see is that Omeda pretty sure doesn't have the manpower to introduce a system like that. There is a bunch of stuff that will have to be manually handled - stuff like reading chat logs. I don't see them having enough money to pay people to do this.
I think we need a bigger player base first. Once Pred has a large enough player base the matchmaking should hopefully provide more balanced matches. Currently most of the average players are being placed with either some unexperienced players or really bad bots. The average player might be decent but more often than not isn’t good enough to carry a match. I think this is the main cause of the toxicity. Personally, I would rather have more balanced matches than the matches I get now. What we need is more players and a way to retain those players. Once we have better retention it would only be a matter of time before word of mouth brings more players in. Things that could provide better retention: -Accessible micro-transactions -Option to gain premium currency by playing -In game event with lore (invite player to invest their time) and reward after completion
yeah like im in silver rank 2 and had a ranked game yesterday where they were all plats and gold, i was the only silver in the lobby... and that comes after a 3 win streak.. seems the matchmaking is rigged so it wants you to lose
I have only been playing since v1.0, but I notice most of the toxicity comes from people getting the role they picked stolen. 9/10 times someone is mad.
I'd say most of the time it's someone thinking that them throwing the lane is the junglers fault. Most often it's not and even if it is, they expect some paragon level ganks to help them out when they miss two out of five last hits and offer stupidely easy ganks to the enemy jungler as well.
theres no such thing as stealing a role, you each get to vote for the role you want to play, then if multiple select the same role it will be an even chance between all the players.. and as usual in mobas you should not be queueing for a game, most importantly ranked but even the normal mode, without being able and prepared to play any of the 5 roles..
This is a great system because as a new player (who hasnt played a single moba since paragon and barely played) Its very discouraging when someone is being toxic… ESP when you think youre actually doing good😂
I love the idea of plat quest at A tier. But, if they didnt want to do that they could reward a free skin voucher for "X" number of games at A tier or say a month of consistent logins at A tier. Obviously not a legendary skin but just something to work towards would be good.
All your points are great; the only thing that threw me off was your 5th point near the end about MMR. I like the idea of gaining MMR if a toxic player is caught, but to punish the enemy team doesn't seem right. They did nothing wrong. I think you can grant the MMR to the losing team without needing to punish people, imo. Great video overall though, great takes!
wish they would give a privacy setting to hide gamertags because im sick of people with no life messaging me outside of the game, its not happened much but when it does i just get off the game cause it stresses me out even more
It seems a little draconian in some ways and I see some potential for people to wind up in a spiral. They have a bad game and things get worse for them like they don't get their role. So that makes them have another one. Then they lose twitch drops so they are pissed about that and have another bad one. But mostly I like it. I think devs veer away from harsh penalties for this stuff for fear of losing players but I think devs should have the balls to take bad actors much more seriously. I would also say making it simple is key. Overwatch I think did this well. A message to players that report others, informing them that action was taken against the bad player was also really good. Let me know that my report wasn't in vain and they were doing something.
if someone is at 50% amber gain they will just stop playing, at least it incentivizes it. so that's not a good system from the dev perspective. a trick to use is that at -100 reputation it's 100% amber gain then every new reputation column +25% bonus. but the make-or-break point is defining "toxicity" and detecting afking/griefing... even for lol it's really hard and LoL is overly punishing for verbal toxicity, that makes game too lame and people too fragile. it's not "fun". there isn't even chat in predecessor and it might be fine, idk. better than overly punishing everyone for verbal "abuse".
What happens if two people in A both contest for a role? They can’t both have raised odds of getting the role lmao? Also pred currently don’t do enough with normal reports so I don’t know when they are finding the staff or time to implement this
New accounts would be created to mitigate this. And I don’t trust the devs or my teammates to make report about what happened in a game. Just played a game where my whole team said I was a trash carry, meanwhile my over all damage after we lost was 52k, their carry who had more kills was at 20k. Point is I did a ton of damage but my teammates didn’t and they blamed me. It happens a lot as a carry. So sounds good but no thanks.
Why doesnt this game have an all chat to speak to the opposing team? Also they should add a sound when someone types in chat because i never notice it. Its always silent. And why cant we type in the main menu? These are basics when it comes to mobas.
Probably because people would abuse it and turn it into an even more crappy place than it is. If my off lane opponent is beating me and then starts gloating and flaming me in chat, or worse, telling my team that he is sorry they have to deal with me, do you think my team are going to be mature and decent enough to back me? Or are they going to be mad that they are being goaded and jump on the band wagon to start flaming me too? I'd love to say people aren't that petty but frankly they are.
@@wyrdplae8586 i completely understand your point but at the end of the day its a competitive game and shit talking is part of the competition. They could always add a mute system as well if you feel that way. They have it in League. This game lacks basic functions. Im not a game developer but is it really that hard to add these simple things? Also they should make us choose our lanes before the draft, not during it. Too many games are decided because people are forced to play a role they aren’t comfortable with. Imagine someone getting autofilled jungle in Ranked? And then they get flamed because they have no idea how to play the role.
definitely agree. id assume they dont get programmatic access to the data or are weak on policy decisions and statistics of it or that ggwp is cooking up their own solution and omedas waiting
They have to fix the matchmaking before this kind of thing. I know toxicity is a problem but the game is miserable right now when on casual queue. i wait 5 minutes to play a 25 minute game where i might have 4 new people with me against 5 experienced players or visa versa. it feels like it just breeds a toxic environment
You can't fix matchmaking with a small player base. They can definitely make it better for a smaller game, but realistically it's way more important to make sure the game has a sustainable player base playing it and the matchmaking is scaled correctly. I also don't want them to rush into marketing again, as It's very messy when the game needs a lot of important systems and a better/more addicting gameplay loop for non moba players to get their hands on Predecessor and keep playing, progressing and probably down the line spending on the game because they like the game enough. Anyways the system I was talking about is not just a punishing system, but also a system to reward good standing players. It's a benefit to both sides of the player-base on purpose, because if you can add a new feature and it would only cover a part of the community, that's a system most players might not even interact with.
@@Empti_Agreed, having said that the system would need a little work as it would be fairly easy to manipulate. I also think the punishments are pretty severe, as you suggest a C, which would be the average person middle of the line, doesn’t get drops. Unless we’re suggesting anyone under a B is ‘toxic’
I went from gold back to silver because my teammates are regularly trash af. Absolute complete trash players in low level ranked who don't have a clue how to build or what characters are good or what a team comp is. I find myself consistently Asking my teammates why they're even playing ranked if they don't understand the game. Am I toxic for wanting competent teammates in ranked? other day had a Muriel support that built Azure core first item and had more cs than the adc. Im I toxic for telling that person to gtfo of ranked? As far as Im concerned they're trolling by playing ranked if they don't understand the game. I point out facts to these trash players and they say Im toxic for that. I disagree. They're toxic for ruining my games
The guilt for this is the weird ghost MMR system they have rn. Where they mix you up with bronze, early silvers, or people who just installed for some reason. Prolly based on your win/defeat ratio god knows why... Instead of matching you with people of your same god forsaken rank. That makes it neigh impossible to rank up consistently bc you will GET a game where somebody will inevitably use a phase jungle or something ridiculous like that
Definitely feel you on that but maybe the delivery on your part could be better. You wouldn’t want some stranger telling you to gtfoh. But I understand your perspective. I’ve tried “talking nicer” and it’s helped some
@@chrismurden4474 I don't q for ranked games if I dont know what Im doing. I watch tier lists I know the items and builds. These people genuinely don't belong in ranked. Its hard being nice to idiots that ruin my experience. Muriel support building azure core and taking cs? Ya Im telling that person to gtfoh
What do you guys think about this ? If you Quit a game afk or feed in a Game I would block your top 3 favorite Heros from being played for 15 games .....and if you make if those games with out quitting you get them back..... do it again block the top 6 until they make it 15 games without quitting😂
This is dumb and smart 1st you shouldn't be pushed for hurting people's feelings $%&# people's feelings but it is smart in the aspect of liking good players and giving them a shout out for being good and chill people.
Honestly no. Out with about all of these. Just bring voice chat and watch the players become better overall. Now if you want to apply these to ranked only I still see this as majority bad.
Lol dont you think half of the players will not be in voice because they dont speak english and half of the second part just dont want random mofos talking out loud when they have kids sleeping or other issues?
I had a game recently where my mid lane just gave up and started pinging/spinning in base. Even as a 4v5 it was a super winnable game. Another player lost hope after like 5 mins, and chose to also just hang out in base.
I got chat muted for the conversation we had after that. I admit I wasn’t nice, but I didn’t tell anyone to off themselves or uninstall, but I can’t understand why you would just rather quit the game you’re in to just start another… My mates were the other 2 players who were still playing, and I know we reported both AFKers.
Of course, we queue into them in our next game. So from our perspective, two toxic players spoil a game, receive 3 reports minimum as they intentionally throw a game, but are unpunished. I on the other hand am punished for being frustrated by their behavior.
Stupid
When you see your teammates feeding 0-10 and refusing to f1 you dont really want to play the match and want it to end ASAP even by means of afking because if you will play it further you will just suffer more.
@@Jerohnableno lol AFK mid Match is just dumb especially before 20 mins makes zero sense. Just finish the game trough it’s toxic and dumb people should get banned for that
@@SuperVbladenobody deserves humilliation and Carry useless teams. Please surrender and try to not be a hero
All your points in this video are 10/10 and I hope are all implemented
Happy that you think so!
I tried my first match and even said in chat it’s my first. I play mobas so I wasn’t doing bad I had good communications literally more then my teammates and led a early mid gank with my carry as phase. Later on I figure out my Adc sucks so I start ganking more to not fall in levels hanging with them. I then figure out phase has a team mate pull and I saved my team so many times and then I see my crunch is winning a 1v1 and about to get ganked from jungle so I pull him and he pings me and types “why’d you pull” me?! good job. So I stopped pulling him then later he needed it but I was focused on my other teammate because crunch was too far in and he died and goes “the one time I actually needed it..” Teammates told him to stop complaining in standards but I’m like bro ITS MY FIRST MATCH! it was a 35 minute match against tryhards and I didn’t even do bad and this dude still getting salty at me? If I saw someone else playing how I did on their first I’d be pleasantly surprised not surprised they’re not playing perfect on their first match. Wasnt expecting league level toxicity but aye it’s a MOBA 🤷🏾
Edit: it is exactly like league but more like the mobile version. A game where you’re afraid to type “gl hf”. After about 32 matches 26 of them had full on tryhard complainers. I enjoy the competition it’s forced me to get better quickly but it is insane how much EVERYONE expects you to play fully locked in 100% no mistakes no matter if it’s standards, brawl (arena) or ranked. If there was a Christmas mode where you can only throw snowballs and ride sleighs that do 1M damage I guarantee if you ain’t playing to win no mistakes at all you’re gonna hear about it from your teammates. Zero chill, zero new player comfort. It’s all in or feel bad just for not having discovered this hidden game as early as the other person. Even league players understand if it’s your first 3 games you won’t be on a ranked level. Only difference is it’s not slow enough for people to take time to type in hate messages. If you’re competitive like me you’ll love it completely fine but If you try to bring your gf or sibling they will cry.
I liked your suggestion, it's nice of you to think about helping Omeda with this. I hope you can bring this to the developers
I hope they implement some of these changes. As someone with over 700 hours, I stopped playing completely 3 weeks ago because I just got tired of the toxicity/throwing. I’ve never seen it so bad in a game as this one 😢 It would be nice to receive a confirmation when omega has taken action on a reported individual similar to Overwatch
Yea that report thing in OW was great. Was nice to know they did something and that I was helping make the community a better place.
I like the ideas quite a lot! Specially the chance to get the role one.
Also, I would add that when the playerbase grows, they could have people in the “F” category match up with “F”, this way the toxic players would get rid of themselves. By matching up that category together, the toxicity would be horrendous, where within time the category itself would fade as the players would stop slowly to play.
Empti, thanks for taking your time you put behind this system! I wouldn’t ever think of this reputatiton aspect since I have no experience playing mobas apart from original Paragon... But maan, it sounds sooo good! I am a competitive player who doesn’t mind losing when the match was good from both sides, but the number of trolls; afkers or just people that mental boom is insane even in high MMR lobbies (dia/para). It’s so frustrating winning a 40min sweaty game and the next one losing because of troll or afker, resulting in the same VP (MMR) loss.... And it’s even more frustrating when you know reporting doesn’t solve anything and this guy who griefed you gonna play again and again like nothing happened. Remember one of your videos when a steel guy (Maffioso) griefed your game so hard? This guys griefed 2 of my games already too and quess what - he still didn’t take his pills and is happily playing (might be a strong word) to this day 😀 The another issue of Pred is of course unbalanced matchmaking, but I understand that goes hand in hand with low players base and is also a different topic. But I just wanted to point it out as well as it’s irritating me too. Truly hope they implement the reputation system asap, can’t unsee it now😂 Have a great day, PewPewGunZ✌
Great video! Tough to penalize negative people in a game with a small community but hopefully they can find a way to tune it properly for good standing players!!
This is a really good system! I hope Omeda implement this ASAP
Great idea! Love this!!
It’s crazy to me that you can’t just queue into your favorite role with a secondary role- almost all other games do it and I would rather have that system and wait an extra minute or two for a match than have somebody steal the role and feed 9 kills to their team and afk. A lot of the time people will troll bc they didn’t get the role they want too. That would solve a lot of the toxicity and is so crazy simple to implement and most other mobas have it. People are dodging the character select half the time bc they didn’t get their role anyway so you have to search for a match like three times before actually getting into one
Couple other ideas:
General:
You can only be matched with players in the adjacent reputational rankings - e.g. a good standing player can only be matched with great standing and OK standing players, a poor standing player can only be matched with bad standing players. Will probably need a larger playerbase for this to be effective, however.
Great standing:
100% ranked VP gain
Good standing:
90% ranked VP gain
OK standing:
80% ranked VP gain
Bad standing:
60% ranked VP gain
Poor standing:
40% ranked VP gain
I agree that Pred needs something like this. I myself now basically always have my chat muted because the toxicity so often ruins my enjoyment - sometimes even gets me soaked in - hence muting was the only way to get some enjoyment back. The problem I see is that Omeda pretty sure doesn't have the manpower to introduce a system like that. There is a bunch of stuff that will have to be manually handled - stuff like reading chat logs. I don't see them having enough money to pay people to do this.
I think we need a bigger player base first. Once Pred has a large enough player base the matchmaking should hopefully provide more balanced matches.
Currently most of the average players are being placed with either some unexperienced players or really bad bots. The average player might be decent but more often than not isn’t good enough to carry a match.
I think this is the main cause of the toxicity. Personally, I would rather have more balanced matches than the matches I get now.
What we need is more players and a way to retain those players. Once we have better retention it would only be a matter of time before word of mouth brings more players in.
Things that could provide better retention:
-Accessible micro-transactions
-Option to gain premium currency by playing
-In game event with lore (invite player to invest their time) and reward after completion
yeah like im in silver rank 2 and had a ranked game yesterday where they were all plats and gold, i was the only silver in the lobby... and that comes after a 3 win streak.. seems the matchmaking is rigged so it wants you to lose
I have only been playing since v1.0, but I notice most of the toxicity comes from people getting the role they picked stolen. 9/10 times someone is mad.
I'd say most of the time it's someone thinking that them throwing the lane is the junglers fault. Most often it's not and even if it is, they expect some paragon level ganks to help them out when they miss two out of five last hits and offer stupidely easy ganks to the enemy jungler as well.
@@saganakist I feel that playing jungle. Lanes won't rotate, or group up, then proceed to spam at the jungle for not rotating when they feed.
theres no such thing as stealing a role, you each get to vote for the role you want to play, then if multiple select the same role it will be an even chance between all the players.. and as usual in mobas you should not be queueing for a game, most importantly ranked but even the normal mode, without being able and prepared to play any of the 5 roles..
This is a great system because as a new player (who hasnt played a single moba since paragon and barely played)
Its very discouraging when someone is being toxic… ESP when you think youre actually doing good😂
Yes keep all the toxic player in same game
I love the idea of plat quest at A tier. But, if they didnt want to do that they could reward a free skin voucher for "X" number of games at A tier or say a month of consistent logins at A tier. Obviously not a legendary skin but just something to work towards would be good.
I guess you saw my other comment which got alot of activity! XD I appreciate this vid man.
All your points are great; the only thing that threw me off was your 5th point near the end about MMR.
I like the idea of gaining MMR if a toxic player is caught, but to punish the enemy team doesn't seem right. They did nothing wrong. I think you can grant the MMR to the losing team without needing to punish people, imo.
Great video overall though, great takes!
wish they would give a privacy setting to hide gamertags because im sick of people with no life messaging me outside of the game, its not happened much but when it does i just get off the game cause it stresses me out even more
That would be an awesome system ad it would definitely stop me from being toxic 😅
honestly predecessor toxicity is MINIMAL compared to like other games....I haven't really had a bad match unless someone straight up drops the game.
Ich will ein Kind von dir!
Ich stehe hinter deinen Vorschlägen. Omeda give him a job!
They don’t take the report system seriously as is I doubt they’ll do anything in the future
It seems a little draconian in some ways and I see some potential for people to wind up in a spiral. They have a bad game and things get worse for them like they don't get their role. So that makes them have another one. Then they lose twitch drops so they are pissed about that and have another bad one.
But mostly I like it. I think devs veer away from harsh penalties for this stuff for fear of losing players but I think devs should have the balls to take bad actors much more seriously.
I would also say making it simple is key. Overwatch I think did this well.
A message to players that report others, informing them that action was taken against the bad player was also really good. Let me know that my report wasn't in vain and they were doing something.
if someone is at 50% amber gain they will just stop playing, at least it incentivizes it. so that's not a good system from the dev perspective. a trick to use is that at -100 reputation it's 100% amber gain then every new reputation column +25% bonus.
but the make-or-break point is defining "toxicity" and detecting afking/griefing... even for lol it's really hard and LoL is overly punishing for verbal toxicity, that makes game too lame and people too fragile. it's not "fun". there isn't even chat in predecessor and it might be fine, idk. better than overly punishing everyone for verbal "abuse".
Nice system don't agree with the 150% amber due to having too much makes the players feel like it's useless at a certain point
What happens if two people in A both contest for a role? They can’t both have raised odds of getting the role lmao?
Also pred currently don’t do enough with normal reports so I don’t know when they are finding the staff or time to implement this
it would just be normal odds for both
Listen this guy omeda pls he requested a manual ban 4 me and now I'm refor.... nvm just listen to him
New accounts would be created to mitigate this. And I don’t trust the devs or my teammates to make report about what happened in a game. Just played a game where my whole team said I was a trash carry, meanwhile my over all damage after we lost was 52k, their carry who had more kills was at 20k. Point is I did a ton of damage but my teammates didn’t and they blamed me. It happens a lot as a carry. So sounds good but no thanks.
Why doesnt this game have an all chat to speak to the opposing team? Also they should add a sound when someone types in chat because i never notice it. Its always silent. And why cant we type in the main menu? These are basics when it comes to mobas.
Probably because people would abuse it and turn it into an even more crappy place than it is.
If my off lane opponent is beating me and then starts gloating and flaming me in chat, or worse, telling my team that he is sorry they have to deal with me, do you think my team are going to be mature and decent enough to back me? Or are they going to be mad that they are being goaded and jump on the band wagon to start flaming me too? I'd love to say people aren't that petty but frankly they are.
@@wyrdplae8586 i completely understand your point but at the end of the day its a competitive game and shit talking is part of the competition. They could always add a mute system as well if you feel that way. They have it in League. This game lacks basic functions. Im not a game developer but is it really that hard to add these simple things? Also they should make us choose our lanes before the draft, not during it. Too many games are decided because people are forced to play a role they aren’t comfortable with. Imagine someone getting autofilled jungle in Ranked? And then they get flamed because they have no idea how to play the role.
i am assuming it is not as easy to do for them and/or they are waiting on ggwp to do something
Probably not, but needs to be improved before any major marketing push and alongside 24/7 ranked.
definitely agree. id assume they dont get programmatic access to the data or are weak on policy decisions and statistics of it or that ggwp is cooking up their own solution and omedas waiting
The devs are too happy just farming gold from bundles
They have to fix the matchmaking before this kind of thing. I know toxicity is a problem but the game is miserable right now when on casual queue. i wait 5 minutes to play a 25 minute game where i might have 4 new people with me against 5 experienced players or visa versa. it feels like it just breeds a toxic environment
I think your idea is great so you know i just think maybe we address why the game is feeling more toxic before we address a punishment system
You can't fix matchmaking with a small player base. They can definitely make it better for a smaller game, but realistically it's way more important to make sure the game has a sustainable player base playing it and the matchmaking is scaled correctly. I also don't want them to rush into marketing again, as It's very messy when the game needs a lot of important systems and a better/more addicting gameplay loop for non moba players to get their hands on Predecessor and keep playing, progressing and probably down the line spending on the game because they like the game enough.
Anyways the system I was talking about is not just a punishing system, but also a system to reward good standing players. It's a benefit to both sides of the player-base on purpose, because if you can add a new feature and it would only cover a part of the community, that's a system most players might not even interact with.
@@Empti_Agreed, having said that the system would need a little work as it would be fairly easy to manipulate. I also think the punishments are pretty severe, as you suggest a C, which would be the average person middle of the line, doesn’t get drops. Unless we’re suggesting anyone under a B is ‘toxic’
Prefered role und secondary prefered role
I went from gold back to silver because my teammates are regularly trash af. Absolute complete trash players in low level ranked who don't have a clue how to build or what characters are good or what a team comp is. I find myself consistently Asking my teammates why they're even playing ranked if they don't understand the game. Am I toxic for wanting competent teammates in ranked? other day had a Muriel support that built Azure core first item and had more cs than the adc. Im I toxic for telling that person to gtfo of ranked? As far as Im concerned they're trolling by playing ranked if they don't understand the game. I point out facts to these trash players and they say Im toxic for that. I disagree. They're toxic for ruining my games
The guilt for this is the weird ghost MMR system they have rn. Where they mix you up with bronze, early silvers, or people who just installed for some reason. Prolly based on your win/defeat ratio god knows why... Instead of matching you with people of your same god forsaken rank. That makes it neigh impossible to rank up consistently bc you will GET a game where somebody will inevitably use a phase jungle or something ridiculous like that
Definitely feel you on that but maybe the delivery on your part could be better. You wouldn’t want some stranger telling you to gtfoh. But I understand your perspective. I’ve tried “talking nicer” and it’s helped some
I feel that bro. Have absolutely same problem. Dont even remember when i had a game last time without trolls, afkers or feeders or just morons.
@@chrismurden4474 I don't q for ranked games if I dont know what Im doing. I watch tier lists I know the items and builds. These people genuinely don't belong in ranked. Its hard being nice to idiots that ruin my experience. Muriel support building azure core and taking cs? Ya Im telling that person to gtfoh
Just get rid of chat in general. I never see it utilized for call outs or anything useful in pubs anyways
Seems like everyone is on the same page about this toxicity epidemic it feels worse than smite and league and them and that’s really saying something.
Worse than League? I dunno about that man, smite isn't too bad but predecessor has been the lowest i've experienced
Idk what kind of luck you have but there’s no way pred is worse than league
The fact that you skipped E to make F a tier bothers me
It's a common system for tiers/tier-lists.
@Empti_ oh I agree it's just my ocd annoying me dw xd
What do you guys think about this ? If you Quit a game afk or feed in a Game I would block your top 3 favorite Heros from being played for 15 games .....and if you make if those games with out quitting you get them back..... do it again block the top 6 until they make it 15 games without quitting😂
This is dumb and smart 1st you shouldn't be pushed for hurting people's feelings $%&# people's feelings but it is smart in the aspect of liking good players and giving them a shout out for being good and chill people.
what?
So just copy mobile legends systems lmao
as if I played that game or know what they do lmao
@Empti_ I mean you obviously did bc you named it almost exactly 💯
Honestly no. Out with about all of these. Just bring voice chat and watch the players become better overall.
Now if you want to apply these to ranked only I still see this as majority bad.
Lol dont you think half of the players will not be in voice because they dont speak english and half of the second part just dont want random mofos talking out loud when they have kids sleeping or other issues?
lmao wonder where this idea came from........hmmmm
I'm curious too, enlighten me
Khaimera offlane plz
nobody wants to see that