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We learned about Comanche badassery in Texas History Class. I remember Mrs. Donahoo, my 7th Grade Texas History Teacher was simply an amazing Storyteller! She had us so riveted to our seats with such tales of Texas in the Old West that we sometimes didn’t even move when the bell rang to change classes!
I, like you, was fortunate to have a history teacher in my youth that brought history to life. I’m 61 and still remember my middle school history teacher in South Florida who brought the history of the Seminole tribe to us.
The Comanches brought so many advanced elements, for that time anyway, to the battlefield. They could travel in a minimalist way and fast. Once on the battlefield they could shoot bow and arrows multiple times in succession with great accuracy. They could hide from enemy fire behind their transportation and often had back ups. They could kill on the move which was a tremendous advantage against stationary soldiers because they were accurate while at the same time elusive. The Comanches could close at astonishing speed, strike fast with violence of action, and then retreat quickly if they needed to. It wasn't until the Texas Rangers learned how to travel stealthily and use tactics like the Comanche did the tide turn. The Rangers couldn't shoot arrows like the Comanche and single shot firearms were too slow so the addition of multiple shot pistols turned the tide of the war. With superior technology it was only a matter of time before the war was over.
@@capitalizingcapitalist1202 they probably would have had a hard time since they were more of a stiff organized army than the Mongolians. The Mongols would just run around them and use flanking tactics in combination with foot soldiers who could handle their own against any army.
@@bigmatthews666 Did mongols do "trickshots"? I know they were next lvl archers. Imo these Comanches took it up a lvl, I'm not putting down Mongols btw. Mongols conquered the known world.
Given what the Comanches did to the Apaches and the Spaniards, I understand better why white power at the end of the XIXth decided not to bother with native nations anymore and wipe them out altogether through plague, alcohol, occasional militayr action and deportation.
Thats 'Instinctive Archery' as used by the Old English Longbow archers, like Japanese Horse Archery. No sights. Takes ten times longer to learn but super accurate. Joe, read 'Hunting with the bow and arrow' by Saxton Pope. Amazing, hunting grizzly's with long bows! He befriend Ishi, the 'last wild Indian' who taught him a lot. I played Australian Rules Football for years and always noticed that kicking a goal or to a team mate from standing - very difficult. Kicking at full sprint with people trying to tackle you- incredible accuracy often, almost supernatural. It's the subconscious mind. It's also something in surfing where the wave is 'alive' and you can't think, you just have to let go and let your instinctive mind take over. My cousins were cowboy trick riders and could gallop ponies and hang all over them like the Commanches! Great episode guys
The Commanche's relatives the Shoshoni where also great horseman in the plains and they also dominated other plains tribes by horse. Anyone who came into the plains the Shoshoni challenged them, there strength was also the horse, many tribes feared the Shoshoni's. It was said that the Shoshoni's where the largest and most powerful tribe on the western side of the rocky mountains and the Sioux were the largest and most powerful tribe on the eastern side of the rocky mountains. I read somewhere that the Commanche's split from the Shoshoni tribe back in the late 1600s. Like the Commanche's the Shoshoni's also had large herds of horses, other tribes like the Blackfeet would try to steal them. The Commanche and Shoshoni speak with the same language (dialect). The Commanche and Shoshoni tribes from Wyoming, Idaho, Nevada and Utah meet once a year in Commanche territory or one of the four Shoshoni reservations in the Pacific Northwest to share stories and have a feast and celebrate, they call it the "Shoshoni Reunion."
We have a been having Comanche and Shoshone reunions for 22 years now. Comanches were part of the Shoshone tribe separated in the 18th century. The Shoshone and Comanche language are similar with certain consonant changes in Comanche. Same language group Uto-Aztecan. Sacagawea was Shoshone who helped the Lewis and Clark expedition.
They shoshoni were the largest tribe 10,000 shoshoni left the tribe and formed the Comanche which later became as large as 20000 they were the most affective buffalo hunters in history they trapped and traded horse to other tribes and taught them to hunt and ride on horseback. They weren’t always killing other tribes and at war all the time usually they were just after settling other tribes horses
Joe, this type of archery is still practiced in Central Asia ... Mongolia etc, in English captured under the phrase "Ethnosport" , the horsemanship is called Djigitovka and making a comeback as Cossack culture is revived post Soviet Union.
Yeah, I was going to say, there's never been horse archers better than the Mongols. They virtually conquered the entire known world with that skill alone.
The Comanche saved my family from starvation one year when the crops failed and everyone faced winter with empty cellars my uncle had some Comanche friends who showed him how to lance bison from horseback on a hunt. The meat taken helped my ancestors survive that winter and I'm grateful for that friendship.
@@GB-ev2ti I thought my dad's stories were for clueless idiots when I was a boy. Now I realize that's how life, and death was then as well as now. Truly I wouldn't be here to annoy you if the Comanche didn't help an old friend kill some buffalo for his family. You certainly can say whatever you want about this but that's only your opinion.
@@falllinemaniac JUIAN PLEASE ACCEPT MY SINCERE APOLOGIES FOR MY REACTION. I GREW UP VERY VERY POOR AND WE FARMED AND LIVED OFF THE LAND AND GOOD HEARTED FRIENDS 100% . WHEN I READ YOUR COMMENT, I THOUGHT YOU WERE SOME HOW MAKING A SARCASTIC MOCKERY OF THE GOOD INDIVIDUALS IN THE STORY. I HAVE DELETED MY PREVIOUS POST. I WAS WRONG ABOUT YOU AND KNOW THAT YOU ARE SPEAKING FROM THE HEART.
@@Boddah. Mongolians have a Y-dna Haplogroup (genetic patriarchal marker) of C-m217 ... while most native Americans have an Haplogroup marker of Q-m242 ... they are closer to siberians.
It amazes me when ever I watch Joe Rogan show/segment it always blow my mind. I dont understand why tv networks haven't called him yet. Clearly hes podcast is 100 times better than some of the tv networks showing
Just so everyone knows, some tribes are bringing this back in archety clubs on our reservations. A group of Comanchee descendents also travel a bit and showcase. I haven't been one to one show where they weren't happy to see Americans of any race. The only way that our culture can be reclaimed and passed on is through others. There simply isn't enough left. Blood quantum will isn't helping. But that doesn't matter to most of us anymore. We just want people to remember that we were here.
from the looks of it the comanche horsemen were a small version of the mongols cavalry. .comanches do their raids in small groups, mongols by hordes. .but both were equally formidable horsemen-warriors
The difference was that Mongols were huge in size, wore full combat armour and were also good with the sword, spear and axe. Comanches were small, wore no armor and only used spears, bows and arrows.
@@andrewsidorov9014 Number-wise yeah, not biologically, more than enough tribes were as tall or even taller than most European ethnicities and the same time, as far I remember Comanche as well
There is a wonderful fictional account of a Comanche attack in Cormac McCarthy's book Blood Meridian. The last three or so pages of Chapter 4. It bears the hallmark of someone who has researched it and is a marvellous piece of creative writing, as is the whole book.
This dude is probably smarter than any of us in here.. of course he’s heard of the Mongolians. These folks may as well be related down the line TO them.
@Armin Wessler The problem with *morons like you* who generalize and stereotype a group of 350 million people is that there are millions waaay smarter than you. Knuckledragger.
I am a descendant of Texas settlers in north central Texas and the brutality of the Comanche is beyond description. The killing of whites, Spanish and blacks was usually with torture and little to no regard to taking captives. Captives were slaves and Comanche women usually were the cruelest to the slaves. The brutality of Comanches even caused original Texas Indians to plead with Mexico, the Texas Republic and the US governments for protection. Keep in mind the Comanches moved into original Texas Indians' territorial lands in the early 1810 or earlier from their lands further north. Even other Indian tribes feared and hated the Comanche.
Oh I love when people in comment sections know more than the PhD in the room. Who would've thought there were so many masters level historians out there
Yep I'm sure all these people in the comments talking about the mongols. 1st went and found a PhD level Mongolian historian then read up on said history then decided to pop off. Sure that's how it went down. So yeah like I said
1) Mongolians. 2) Japanese samurai. 3) Tatars (who learned from the mongols). 4) Ottoman Turks. 5) Balkan (Greek/Albanian) Stradioti 6) Late Medeival Arabs 7) Serbian/Polish Hussars... Just to name -a few who were parallel to the Comanche.
The tartars was basically with the mongols they got swept up and was a vital contributor to the empire from the start they was some of the tribes that genghis brought all together on the steppe as one
I am part comanche, but no enrollment. My great grandmother was comanche apache, born in a comanche/apache township. Was married to a cherokee mixed Choctaw Chickasaw. He was a cherokee youth on the rolls. They left Oklahoma working the oilfields, they gave one of their sons away going through Idaho, to a Blackfoot family, for food, and fuel. My grandfather was a vary violent man. Spent much of his life, in and out of prison. He hated "the white man" but married a white woman. My grandfather died at age 35. My beautiful mother, died at 59, and me, just being 1/4, having no rights to being in rolled as a "cherokee" due to the fact, that their original birth, and death certificates are long gone, am left alone, no people, i can be anything I want, except an "American Indian" i was told, that my great grandfather, and my grandfather, bosted that they never surrendered. But they left me and my mother alone, she suffered through poverty, racial attacks, had her face beaten into a brick wall. She had fake teeth the rest of here life.
I am part Lakota Sioux and know what you feel, in part. I have know stories of the people and no proof I am part of the tribe. But is it possible to do a DNA testing or lineage tracking? Is it possible?
A lot of us are mixed race, and of no tribe. We get to be American... part of something larger than a mere tribe. A nation of ideals. It sounds hokey, I know. But being a part of a small group is limiting. Some of us have even married internationally... making our tribe (and perspective) even bigger.
@@gatocles99 speak for yourself, I’m proud to be a Northern Cheyenne brown boy. Last name was giving to my grandfather by the gov, he was forced to go to a residential school. My great great grandfather was a medicine man for A.I.M. Being apart of the Cheyenne nation means the world to me, and it’s most definitely not limiting. Fuck being an American, I’m Northern Cheyenne.
The Plains Indian’s bows were fairly short and moderate in Power but for the short ranges they shot off a horse it was perfectly adapted.. Some of the Eastern tribes particularly the Cherokee used a long bow. Generally they were much longer, more forgiving and accurate. They were considerably more powerful with a effective range probably twice that of the Comanche bow yet also well adapted for the shooting they did. They have a shooting game that dates way back of shooting a vertical bunch of corn stalks representing a enemy warrior tied together and shot at out to 100 yards. Each bow and tribe made the bows their environment required. Osage Orange or Hedge or Horse Apple was equally prized by most tribes though. You ought to visit Tallequah Oklahoma the capital of the Cherokee Nation. There are active Boyers there. You owe it to yourself to try a traditional Plains flat bow or Eastern Longbow. The British Longbow or Warbow also is a beautiful thing. Some of their Warbows pulled over 150lb and penetrated armor yet were used by men whose size today would be average or probably less. Remember Jonathan the best friend of King David the Slayer of Goliath was known as a Master of the Bow.
There were a bunch of tribes who didn't use the horse mainly like the Apaches, Navajo and Santee Sioux who still used short fast bows. Our short bows are faster than a longbow with the same weight arrow but at a shorter draw length. In other words our bows are more efficient and English longbows only went over 80 ibs because of plate armor. During the viking period they used bows of 75 ibs
The Nez Perce were incredible warriors with a horse culture that would have rivaled the Comanche. Joe, if you want to know more about what I’m referring to, look into the 1877 Nez Perce War. Read Alvin Josephy, Jr. or LV McWhorter especially. You will find some answers to your broader questions to Mr. Gwynne that was beyond the scope of his research on the Comanche people. As always, love your podcast brother! Thanks for discussing Native issues!
as a native american I can safely say nearly all native tribe in the southwest can ride and fight. this fighting style became common once the Spanish came with the horses
In training they did tricks for sure. The sarazene archery books gives even rules for some of the tricks. the turkish had already archery sport diciplines in medieval times. Unrelated to war. Why would the old egyptians and other civilizations not have it?
To learn snap field archery, use a lot of arrows and balls in a large field. Ross a ball to a fair distance and shoot it with field tips until missed. Repeat. When you use golf balls to good effect, you've been doing it for a very long time. Worked for me.
This is the modern Hungarian version of horseback archery, based on the way ancient nomadic huns other tribes were shooting.. The arrows of the huns were feared by the whole western europe as they were masters of this warfare. There is a big movement of reviving this tradition by doing horseback archery as a sport, here is the founder and champion of it, Lajos Kassai: ua-cam.com/video/2yorHswhzrU/v-deo.html
The Native people of these lands certainly were cool af! Such a rich and amazing history all around them! 💯💯💯 I absolutely cannot wait for them to get back into the game! They're still here fighting for that second wind! It'll be outta this world 🙌🏼
US Goverment just give native Americans 10% of the USA land , thats fair for their population size and probably still practical. They would live off the land and help reduce emissions and climate change
James Wilson Nichols was my great, great, great grandfather on my grandmother's side (Dad's mom) I read his journal, "Now You Hear My Horn" in 5th grade so Texas history was a breeze. Interestingly, my great uncles were still fighting Comanche in the 1920's in Bandera Pass...
I think one thing people are missing from this is that the natives had horses for barely half a mellinia where as people on the other side of the world had them for thousands of years. That's a very big time gap to compare. Also when did all pf this "lets shit on the native Americans" stuff begin? It used to be they were cool now everyone is trying to downplay what they did.
Not trying to sound disrespectful, but what did they do? What did they accomplish? I admire how they still had a natural spirituality, but beyond that I dont see where they actually 'did' anything.
@@SwampFeet678 They learned to break horses and fight horseback. Yeah that isn't to major when other people did that but to learn how to do it in organized fashion is major especially when there very likely wasn't anyone teaching them these things. And since I'll be questioned on it, what I mean "organized fashion" is this is something they teach each other to and do it well. They weren't still jumping onto horses and hoping for the best, no they had a plan and did it.
@@M7S4I5L8V2A , Necessity breeds creativity and invention... Its crazy to think that Europeans reintroduced the horse and the Indians had to learn to ride those same animals to fight White men.
@@SwampFeet678 So you're saying that natives figured out how to ride horses in order to fight? Do you have any scans on that because I find it more possible that they saw Europeans doing it and decided to try it once wild horses became more prevalent in North America.
@@M7S4I5L8V2A , To fight and to hunt. Before they had horses the Indians would have to literally chase Buffalo on foot, and those Buffalo are the main reason Indians never created a centralized concrete society. Much like the Reindeer nomads, Mongolians, in eastern Europe... You are right though. I doubt Indians learned to ride strictly to fight, but once they discovered how many things could be done on horseback their skills sky rocketed.
What this man is referring to is "natural aim". They used their natural hand eye coordination to simply look at their target, draw the bow and quickly release-hitting their target.
For those who like to see what they are talking about there is a scene in the ballad of Buster Scruggs where you see the technique of hiding on the side of a horse is acted out, its amazing!
He's describing the Parthian shot which was used by ancient Persian light cavalry and used by every steppe society and much of the horse-loving tribes native in North America.
@Mercb3ast hmm well I was aware of the under the neck tactic, First Nations trick riders did this not long ago and may still do today. I wasn't aware this was not considered a Parthian shot but after doing some research it appears you are right in that not all retreating 'trick style' shooting should be considered a Parthian shot strictly speaking.
The Mongol's widely witnessed and documented legendary archery skills date over a thousand years back. The Romans regularly documented similar unbelievable horseback archery, short- and long-range accuracy being displayed by the Parthians during their numerous grand-scale battles (-53bc through 216 ad). The famous "Parthian shot" (the horse archer accurately shoots over the rump of his horse during a feigned tactical retreat designed to lure enemy cavalry in pursuit) was a devastating tactic developed to perfection by the Mongols of the XIII th century.
As a former college pitcher in baseball. You don’t “aim” the ball. You just throw it at a location. You repeat it often enough, you can hit a dime with a baseball.
Its interesting that you describe the process this way. I taught myself to play tennis netting a ball against a wall with a dotted painted line on it at my high school. I ended up with a killer backhand I never had to think about or see, just be in the moment and it found it’s spot.
Less thinking faster movement the better you get at that the more accurate and faster can be and it even goes too computer games when I was a kid just move n shoot n don't think just react I could do way better once I got good at it
There's an absolutely incredible part of McCarthy's Blood Meridian when The Kid goes into Mexico with a filibuster and they see what they think is a bunch of riderless horses coming onto them until it's way too late, because the Comanche were riding sideways and couldn't even be seen. The way that entire passage is written and the ensuing blood bath is absolutely incredible. Every word of it. Serious poetry. I'm surprised Joe's never read BM.
There's a reason they managed to fight an entire 400 years. Remember the glory of Native Americans Warriors. Celebrate their steadfastness. There can only one victor where battle exists
@Michael Srite Remember to study a little more about history, the natives were fighting for their lifes and culture, the confederates were a bunch of traitors fighting for slavery.
Eugen Herrigel's talks about this, how Japanese archery was different from Western methods. It was to develop an instinctual approach, not an objectively aimed approach. Crucially, they were trying to recover the quality of feeling a baby has in their hands. If you think about it, when you learn archery intensively as a child before the age of 8 you're more likely to have an instinctual grasp that doesn't rely on all the thinking brain stuff that becomes more dominant, particularly in our culture, later. Before 8 that little sliver of orbital-frontal brain on the left side that's so objectively oriented isn't yet competent. After 8 it becomes dominant, and that's the brain we train so heavily in western culture. But if you want to become a concert musician, it's best if you got years of the right instruction that point.
what was called instinctual approach could be considered as a developed and internalized skill. .this could be attained when a would be warrior started training from a primary age . . .
Thats the only time that's stable enough to shoot an arrow accurately when riding a horse at full speed. All the great horse people figured it out, from Mongols to Turks, to Huns and the Native horse tribes.
Great read. I Got this book because I read Lonesome dove and through that books characters speaking about the Comanches I became interested in their true story.
The best in their time, but the Parthians, Scythians, Mongolians, and countless steppic civilizations were the best of theirs in using bows on horseback
Agreed, best horse archers in the north american World but the old world had archers with legendary skills that allowed them to conquer large swaths of the world.
If any of you want to see a more actual historical archer who utilises his bow more or less like it was probably used in warfare (aka not a trickshooter like Andersen), check out Lajos Kassai, he does magyar/avar/mongol style of archery from horseback, insane speed and accuracy with a composite, using historical techniques, training and equipment.
I am of Numunu ( Comanche ) ancestry . Many so called myths about my ancestors have been proven and many negative things have been debunked. But this master archer , Mr. Larson, is all to real, his archery is true magic !!!!
Native Americans didnt even have horses until Europeans showed up... Can you imagine what kind of horsemanship they could have achieved if horses were native to the Americas? I think Europeans would have had a much harder time settling here if that were the case.
@@M7S4I5L8V2A , The Indians kept alive? Or Europeans? The Indians were doomed from the start. You cant have stone age technology and expect to fight against metal armor, rifles and cannons.
@@M7S4I5L8V2A , Turns out the Indians had a hand that drove native horses to extinction in North America... Straight from Wiki: "extinction was linked to overexploitation by newly arrived humans of naive prey that were not habituated to their hunting methods." en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_horse
“Rides the Wind” is an excellent book about Cynthia Ann Parker’s life story. You’ll be left grieving the loss of the Comanche Nation despite all the blood being spilled by Texans and Native Americans.
Horses evolved in North America. Then they migrated out and died out in North America. The reason horses adapted so well to being re introduced to North America in the post Columbian era is because that’s where they came from originally.
Gotta love that revisionist history, eh! Lets see some links and proof of what you are claiming.... EDIT: Thanks to Rune scape for the information... Im not afraid to say im ignorant.
@@Runescape99 , Dude, the youngest boomers are in their late 50s! And according to this article, the Indians themselves had a hand in the extinction of the horses... "extinction was linked to overexploitation by newly arrived humans of naive prey that were not habituated to their hunting methods."
The shooting while moving makes sense. When I try to really focus, control my breath, squeeze the trigger so lightly that it's supposed to be a surprise when it goes off, I miss. Standing straight up, arms swaying, but anticipating the sway and jerking the trigger a second before I think I should, I hit my target. I'm by no means a professional or even trained shooter, but I get it.
women in the tribes would lead horses into a river and then slide up on their backs.horses were reluctant to buck in water thus loosing their footing.horses dont like to lose their footing to being with.lt made the horses easier to gentle and begin bonding and trusting their owners. Also indigenous folks of some tribes called horses 'Thunder Dogs' which l found spoke volumes about the relationship with the horse.Great book by the way.B.P
In agree with the quiver mythm. they were primarly used for domestic and private hunting purposes. Take for instant the English Longbowmen at the battle of Agincourt, they don't just stand still in an even stationary line. They were building trenches, forts, palisades and wooden stakes; and they don't even carry arrows on their backs. All they ever did was station the baggage wagon behind the archery line, where the fight might be, tasked the drivers or any of the staff members to grab and refilled the Long with stacks of arrorws for each hand. And repeate this run around over and over. That way if they need to run (well can't out run mounted knights obviously) they run WITH the baggage wagon and set up a new position. And mind you, they DON'T shoot arrows over the heads (arcking shots) of allies, unless they had a hill archery lines shoot straight. Meaning they NEED clear line of sight.
I didn't know they were especially known for their horsemanship. Now the Watchmen episode title 'Martial Feats of Comanche Horsemanship' makes more sense.
@Armin Wessler yeah but you have to realize the Parthians had fully armored men and horses at a time when no one else did, except maybe for their buddies up north the Scythians. That's why Marcus Crassus got his ass and head handed to him. At that time they supposedly had over 20k armored horsemen with lances add in a few thousand mounted archers an you have the recipe for disaster.
@Armin Wessler not an expert on steppe horsemen or native Americans, just my two cents. The native Americans had stone age technology and only had horses for a fraction of the time their asian counterparts did, and were able to hold off a much more advanced and numerous force for hundreds of years. Adding in that most native Americans were decimated by disease, not war, and it's pretty impressive that they did as well as they did.
my grandfather used to ride like the Comanche when he hunted he could ride on the side of the horse along the Elk herd and pick the bull he wanted and shot under the neck
@@z-z-z-z No just a cowboy and his horse was well trained he could only do it with one horse since she was so smart she could even herd cattle by herself.
Nonsense, its just a BS story your family conjured up to hide teh fact that your grandfather was a foolish alcoholic. These are real Comanche archers this guy is talking about, REAL warriors, and here you are spouting about your grandpa? give me a break.
The main thing with technique, he shows at the beginning is how setting the arrow and firing should be done on the other side of the bow. For a righty to keep the arrow on the side it comes in at allows for much faster readying and firing
Just remember it takes him like 1000 attempts for him to pull off those tricks. He cant do it on demand. But its still awesome and very difficult. Alot if skill required.
The fool had to make it about him. Here the guy was talking facts about REAL warriors and greats of the plains the Comanche and Joe is talking his BS about bow hunting with sights and other crap. Shut your damn mouth and let the guy explain the Comanche history, no one gives a damn about your messing around in the woods.
The Mongols and Comanches had much in common. Great horsemen, and terrorized their enemies. The Comanches on the American Plains and the Mongols on the steppes of Central Asia.
This is a very cool presentation. After watching it, maybe it would be interesting to see a comparison--as it relates to riding and archery abillities--to compare them to the Mongols. That would be interesting!
The Mongols conquered far more people and land with bows and arrows than the Comanche. But to be fair to the Comanche, the Mongols had much less competition. Comanche’s lived among and battled against tribes like the Apache, Navajo, Kiowa, etc. for thousands of years (along with the American Army for hundreds of years). All of whom were crazy skilled warriors. In a war between Mongols vs. Comanche, I still give Mongols the victory because their skill and ruthlessness as soldiers is simply unparalleled. But I do think the Comanche had harder competition to fight against.
@@jaredschmidt8013 I would not say that. The mongolians were technically more advanced. Did successfully siege large fortified cities, used canons. (the europeans learned to use guns and gunpowder from the mongolian attacks).
@@mweskamppp Mongols weren't technically superior. They were primarily horsemen and considered anything else like fighting on foot, or using advanced weaponry like crossbows or seige machines beneath them. They had Chinese engineers and other lesser people they subjugated to build and operate them.
@@bryanjames7528 Also the mongols adapted superior technology over the generations. And europe was kind of behind some other regions regarding technology. Until about 1800 europe imported top steel from near east or india. In tamil nadu crucible steel was produced since 500bc. Later in the near east as well.
Joe Rogan is the boss. Never fails to entertain with the diversity of his guests and the conversations he has. Why he is vilified by the MSM I’ll never know. In the future I think he will be recognized as a great chronicler of western civilization for the breadth and scope of his interests.
I shoot a lot of primitive archery and from my personal experience I find that we humans can hit 3D targets much easier than flat paper targets. I think it’s all to do with our peripheral vision and proprioception. It all comes together when shooting 3D shapes.
I love these stories about my ancestors! We were started by Cynthia Ann Parker, and unfortunately they have bleached us out ever since, but I do remember some of my great aunts were named Kado and Topseup
I never feel as close to Joe as when he brings a Historian/Archaeologist/etc. and just becomes a wide-eyed kid for an hour. Bless this man.
Joe Rogan is the shit
Don’t we all🙃
I 1000 percent agree I love these videos
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We learned about Comanche badassery in Texas History Class. I remember Mrs. Donahoo, my 7th Grade Texas History Teacher was simply an amazing Storyteller! She had us so riveted to our seats with such tales of Texas in the Old West that we sometimes didn’t even move when the bell rang to change classes!
I, like you, was fortunate to have a history teacher in my youth that brought history to life. I’m 61 and still remember my middle school history teacher in South Florida who brought the history of the Seminole tribe to us.
The Comanches brought so many advanced elements, for that time anyway, to the battlefield. They could travel in a minimalist way and fast. Once on the battlefield they could shoot bow and arrows multiple times in succession with great accuracy. They could hide from enemy fire behind their transportation and often had back ups. They could kill on the move which was a tremendous advantage against stationary soldiers because they were accurate while at the same time elusive. The Comanches could close at astonishing speed, strike fast with violence of action, and then retreat quickly if they needed to.
It wasn't until the Texas Rangers learned how to travel stealthily and use tactics like the Comanche did the tide turn. The Rangers couldn't shoot arrows like the Comanche and single shot firearms were too slow so the addition of multiple shot pistols turned the tide of the war. With superior technology it was only a matter of time before the war was over.
advanced elements, for that time anyway, to the battlefield. Peoples of the Steppe had been fighting that way for thousands of years, It wasn't new.
@@roboparks thank you.
@@roboparks thousands of years with horses? No. Just about 200 years. Horses in America were introduced by Spaniards.
@@bgerystt3801 Robert specifically mentioned The Steppe... The Mongols took down ancient China... Hell John Wayne played Genghis Khan
@@Eddythebeast666 Mongols,Turks and American Indians are all from the same family…
I'm glad for all the 800 year old mongolians in this comment section because most of you talking about it like you have first hand experience
Lol
one conquered basically all of asia and eastern europe, and the other got killed by a blanket with the flux LOL
@Abu Troll al cockroachistan wonder how they would've faired against the Spartans in their prime.
@@capitalizingcapitalist1202 they probably would have had a hard time since they were more of a stiff organized army than the Mongolians. The Mongols would just run around them and use flanking tactics in combination with foot soldiers who could handle their own against any army.
@@siegfriedgottz698 yea, we have all this modern medicine and we're still gettin sickness that shuts down the whole world.
Imagine a whole war band of Comanches who can shoot like Lars as fast and accurately from the back of a horse, terrifying
You mean the Mongols?
@@bigmatthews666 This
Shot like Lars? Lol, you mean Lars shooting like the Comanche.
@@bigmatthews666 Did mongols do "trickshots"? I know they were next lvl archers. Imo these Comanches took it up a lvl, I'm not putting down Mongols btw. Mongols conquered the known world.
Given what the Comanches did to the Apaches and the Spaniards, I understand better why white power at the end of the XIXth decided not to bother with native nations anymore and wipe them out altogether through plague, alcohol, occasional militayr action and deportation.
Thats 'Instinctive Archery' as used by the Old English Longbow archers, like Japanese Horse Archery. No sights. Takes ten times longer to learn but super accurate.
Joe, read 'Hunting with the bow and arrow' by Saxton Pope. Amazing, hunting grizzly's with long bows! He befriend Ishi, the 'last wild Indian' who taught him a lot.
I played Australian Rules Football for years and always noticed that kicking a goal or to a team mate from standing - very difficult. Kicking at full sprint with people trying to tackle you- incredible accuracy often, almost supernatural. It's the subconscious mind. It's also something in surfing where the wave is 'alive' and you can't think, you just have to let go and let your instinctive mind take over.
My cousins were cowboy trick riders and could gallop ponies and hang all over them like the Commanches! Great episode guys
The Commanche's relatives the Shoshoni where also great horseman in the plains and they also dominated other plains tribes by horse. Anyone who came into the plains the Shoshoni challenged them, there strength was also the horse, many tribes feared the Shoshoni's. It was said that the Shoshoni's where the largest and most powerful tribe on the western side of the rocky mountains and the Sioux were the largest and most powerful tribe on the eastern side of the rocky mountains. I read somewhere that the Commanche's split from the Shoshoni tribe back in the late 1600s. Like the Commanche's the Shoshoni's also had large herds of horses, other tribes like the Blackfeet would try to steal them. The Commanche and Shoshoni speak with the same language (dialect). The Commanche and Shoshoni tribes from Wyoming, Idaho, Nevada and Utah meet once a year in Commanche territory or one of the four Shoshoni reservations in the Pacific Northwest to share stories and have a feast and celebrate, they call it the "Shoshoni Reunion."
We have a been having Comanche and Shoshone reunions for 22 years now. Comanches were part of the Shoshone tribe separated in the 18th century. The Shoshone and Comanche language are similar with certain consonant changes in Comanche. Same language group Uto-Aztecan. Sacagawea was Shoshone who helped the Lewis and Clark expedition.
They shoshoni were the largest tribe 10,000 shoshoni left the tribe and formed the Comanche which later became as large as 20000 they were the most affective buffalo hunters in history they trapped and traded horse to other tribes and taught them to hunt and ride on horseback. They weren’t always killing other tribes and at war all the time usually they were just after settling other tribes horses
How the horses came to America?
@@marcosrotllanThe Vikings brought them from Greenland 👍🏾😁
spanish conquistadores brought them on ships to the New World@@marcosrotllan
Joe, this type of archery is still practiced in Central Asia ... Mongolia etc, in English captured under the phrase "Ethnosport" , the horsemanship is called Djigitovka and making a comeback as Cossack culture is revived post Soviet Union.
Yeah, I was going to say, there's never been horse archers better than the Mongols. They virtually conquered the entire known world with that skill alone.
The Comanche saved my family from starvation one year when the crops failed and everyone faced winter with empty cellars my uncle had some Comanche friends who showed him how to lance bison from horseback on a hunt. The meat taken helped my ancestors survive that winter and I'm grateful for that friendship.
Shut the fuck up
@@GB-ev2ti I thought my dad's stories were for clueless idiots when I was a boy. Now I realize that's how life, and death was then as well as now. Truly I wouldn't be here to annoy you if the Comanche didn't help an old friend kill some buffalo for his family. You certainly can say whatever you want about this but that's only your opinion.
@@RUN_IT_UP_ Why?
@@falllinemaniac JUIAN PLEASE ACCEPT MY SINCERE APOLOGIES FOR MY REACTION. I GREW UP VERY VERY POOR AND WE FARMED AND LIVED OFF THE LAND AND GOOD HEARTED FRIENDS 100% . WHEN I READ YOUR COMMENT, I THOUGHT YOU WERE SOME HOW MAKING A SARCASTIC MOCKERY OF THE GOOD INDIVIDUALS IN THE STORY. I HAVE DELETED
MY PREVIOUS POST. I WAS WRONG ABOUT YOU AND KNOW THAT YOU ARE SPEAKING FROM THE HEART.
@@RUN_IT_UP_ Football is all scripted and choreographed. Fake as "wrastling".
Comanche culture was just missed by the invention of the motion camera. Just missed, I hadn't thought of that before. True.
Comanche porn would be fire
@@shaolin6 I’m Comanche tell your mom too hmu 🤙
@@TsurfBangz my wife is Comanche! I love her crazy ass!😬😂
@@redman4316 im gonna need some pics
@@canobenitez pics of what?
The Mongolians : Hold my jacket made of field-mice
@Zack Lavoie In Dan Carlin's wrath of the khans, he tells that to show their extreme poverty before they started conquering
Agreed. In my opinion Mongolian archers rule above all.
Native Americans are related to Mongolians.
@@Boddah. 👍
@@Boddah. there is absolutely no proof of that merely a speculation
This comment section got more Mongolians than Mongolia.
We have to build a shitty wall
gazmend subrahimi shitty wall worked though.
Funny thing is Native Americans are related to Mongolians.
Only mogolian I ever knew was named Gunbo Gunbold like what?
@@Boddah. Mongolians have a Y-dna Haplogroup (genetic patriarchal marker) of C-m217 ... while most native Americans have an Haplogroup marker of Q-m242 ... they are closer to siberians.
Genghis Khan: "hold my sack of severed heads"
Hold my bag of dank ghengis ganja
Lionel Hutz Beat me to it.
Don't you have an ambulance to chase or a bottle of Colonel Kwikee Mart Kentucky Bourbon to swill?
Mongols did it from the backs of horses, not hanging off the side and shooting under the neck.
Nobody cares anymore.
It amazes me when ever I watch Joe Rogan show/segment it always blow my mind. I dont understand why tv networks haven't called him yet. Clearly hes podcast is 100 times better than some of the tv networks showing
Hate to tell you Joe is leaving UA-cam for a 100million deal with Spotify. 😪
mongolian warrior: hold my fermented yak milk
It’s a dumb and tired joke. Please try to come up with something fresh
😂👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
That just made me LOL 😂
Skankhunt42 it's not about the joke it's about the Skills
@@sancho7863 i wonder if your the only skankhunt42 on youtube
Awesome conversation...Native American history is American history, know it.
I've been watching this podcast for a long time and am now just finding this.
I'm Comanche. And I LOVE this! Glad to see this
Just so everyone knows, some tribes are bringing this back in archety clubs on our reservations. A group of Comanchee descendents also travel a bit and showcase. I haven't been one to one show where they weren't happy to see Americans of any race. The only way that our culture can be reclaimed and passed on is through others. There simply isn't enough left. Blood quantum will isn't helping. But that doesn't matter to most of us anymore. We just want people to remember that we were here.
from the looks of it the comanche horsemen were a small version of the mongols cavalry. .comanches do their raids in small groups, mongols by hordes. .but both were equally formidable horsemen-warriors
The difference was that Mongols were huge in size, wore full combat armour and were also good with the sword, spear and axe.
Comanches were small, wore no armor and only used spears, bows and arrows.
armor is good for close combat, which either was unarmed civilians or with guns, no use of armor.
@@danwelterweight4137 Lol comanches were far from being small
@@Latino.99 1:08 to be proven wrong
@@andrewsidorov9014 Number-wise yeah, not biologically, more than enough tribes were as tall or even taller than most European ethnicities and the same time, as far I remember Comanche as well
There is a wonderful fictional account of a Comanche attack in Cormac McCarthy's book Blood Meridian. The last three or so pages of Chapter 4. It bears the hallmark of someone who has researched it and is a marvellous piece of creative writing, as is the whole book.
Amazing. No wonder the Predator fell to the Comanche. Outside of the Vikings, Massaii and Monghols, the Comanche were nothing to play with.
@@andyanderson3776 Since when have the Masaii writen any significant civilisational page ?
This dude is probably smarter than any of us in here.. of course he’s heard of the Mongolians. These folks may as well be related down the line TO them.
@Armin Wessler The problem with *morons like you* who generalize and stereotype a group of 350 million people is that there are millions waaay smarter than you. Knuckledragger.
@@RogueReplicant cope
I am a descendant of Texas settlers in north central Texas and the brutality of the Comanche is beyond description. The killing of whites, Spanish and blacks was usually with torture and little to no regard to taking captives. Captives were slaves and Comanche women usually were the cruelest to the slaves. The brutality of Comanches even caused original Texas Indians to plead with Mexico, the Texas Republic and the US governments for protection. Keep in mind the Comanches moved into original Texas Indians' territorial lands in the early 1810 or earlier from their lands further north. Even other Indian tribes feared and hated the Comanche.
Oh I love when people in comment sections know more than the PhD in the room. Who would've thought there were so many masters level historians out there
or maybe they get info from another PhD
Yep I'm sure all these people in the comments talking about the mongols. 1st went and found a PhD level Mongolian historian then read up on said history then decided to pop off. Sure that's how it went down. So yeah like I said
@buggeroff I think what ill instead do is not put much stock into what YOURE saying.
Josh Lewis Or place him under a board of wood and then eat, drink and rejoice victory while standing and sitting on top of it.
@buggeroff yep the 3 people I know who have them really had time to party during that grueling school work. Damn people are dense these days
*Joe's Guest about to make a point*:
*Joe*: Hey what does a saddle look like??
don fillinger....😎
1) Mongolians.
2) Japanese samurai.
3) Tatars (who learned from the mongols).
4) Ottoman Turks.
5) Balkan (Greek/Albanian) Stradioti
6) Late Medeival Arabs
7) Serbian/Polish Hussars...
Just to name -a few who were parallel to the Comanche.
Maybe even put the Mughals form India on the list. Amazing warriors from horseback and elephants.
@@sonnysingh2456 well... i did say
"Just to name a few"...
Really now.
Robin Longstride, hold my pint.
The tartars was basically with the mongols they got swept up and was a vital contributor to the empire from the start they was some of the tribes that genghis brought all together on the steppe as one
I am part comanche, but no enrollment. My great grandmother was comanche apache, born in a comanche/apache township. Was married to a cherokee mixed Choctaw Chickasaw. He was a cherokee youth on the rolls. They left Oklahoma working the oilfields, they gave one of their sons away going through Idaho, to a Blackfoot family, for food, and fuel. My grandfather was a vary violent man. Spent much of his life, in and out of prison. He hated "the white man" but married a white woman. My grandfather died at age 35. My beautiful mother, died at 59, and me, just being 1/4, having no rights to being in rolled as a "cherokee" due to the fact, that their original birth, and death certificates are long gone, am left alone, no people, i can be anything I want, except an "American Indian" i was told, that my great grandfather, and my grandfather, bosted that they never surrendered. But they left me and my mother alone, she suffered through poverty, racial attacks, had her face beaten into a brick wall. She had fake teeth the rest of here life.
I am part Lakota Sioux and know what you feel, in part. I have know stories of the people and no proof I am part of the tribe. But is it possible to do a DNA testing or lineage tracking? Is it possible?
Wasn't the Apache nation their enemies?
A lot of us are mixed race, and of no tribe. We get to be American... part of something larger than a mere tribe.
A nation of ideals.
It sounds hokey, I know.
But being a part of a small group is limiting.
Some of us have even married internationally... making our tribe (and perspective) even bigger.
You can still be a modern indian, just drink all the time and be lazy and blame all your failures on the white man.
@@gatocles99 speak for yourself, I’m proud to be a Northern Cheyenne brown boy. Last name was giving to my grandfather by the gov, he was forced to go to a residential school. My great great grandfather was a medicine man for A.I.M. Being apart of the Cheyenne nation means the world to me, and it’s most definitely not limiting. Fuck being an American, I’m Northern Cheyenne.
The Plains Indian’s bows were fairly short and moderate in Power but for the short ranges they shot off a horse it was perfectly adapted.. Some of the Eastern tribes particularly the Cherokee used a long bow. Generally they were much longer, more forgiving and accurate. They were considerably more powerful with a effective range probably twice that of the Comanche bow yet also well adapted for the shooting they did. They have a shooting game that dates way back of shooting a vertical bunch of corn stalks representing a enemy warrior tied together and shot at out to 100 yards. Each bow and tribe made the bows their environment required. Osage Orange or Hedge or Horse Apple was equally prized by most tribes though. You ought to visit Tallequah Oklahoma the capital of the Cherokee Nation. There are active Boyers there. You owe it to yourself to try a traditional Plains flat bow or Eastern Longbow. The British Longbow or Warbow also is a beautiful thing. Some of their Warbows pulled over 150lb and penetrated armor yet were used by men whose size today would be average or probably less. Remember Jonathan the best friend of King David the Slayer of Goliath was known as a Master of the Bow.
There were a bunch of tribes who didn't use the horse mainly like the Apaches, Navajo and Santee Sioux who still used short fast bows. Our short bows are faster than a longbow with the same weight arrow but at a shorter draw length. In other words our bows are more efficient and English longbows only went over 80 ibs because of plate armor. During the viking period they used bows of 75 ibs
The horse Comanches were great, but I preferred the jeep Comanches.
Ha! Finally!
Crickets
Had a Comanche for 8 years before trading it last year for a '61 Olds.
I rode a Commanche horse for 15 years, it outlasted my wife's Jeep Commanche since U.S. manufacturing is shitty
Of course you do.
Hey joe im a Comanche holla at me I can get you an interview with one of the last full blood Comanches left are are still here
The Nez Perce were incredible warriors with a horse culture that would have rivaled the Comanche. Joe, if you want to know more about what I’m referring to, look into the 1877 Nez Perce War. Read Alvin Josephy, Jr. or LV McWhorter especially. You will find some answers to your broader questions to Mr. Gwynne that was beyond the scope of his research on the Comanche people. As always, love your podcast brother! Thanks for discussing Native issues!
The Nez Perce did try to rival the Comanche... the Comanche won. They were enemies.
no way@@gatocles99
as a native american I can safely say nearly all native tribe in the southwest can ride and fight. this fighting style became common once the Spanish came with the horses
I’m pretty sure that Lars wasn’t saying that ancient people did tricks, he’s using the tricks to show how skilled those people could be.
In training they did tricks for sure. The sarazene archery books gives even rules for some of the tricks. the turkish had already archery sport diciplines in medieval times. Unrelated to war. Why would the old egyptians and other civilizations not have it?
@@mweskamppp Good point
Another of the great horse-riding steppe empires. The Sythians, Huns, Mongols, Magyars and Turkmen of the western hemisphere.
To learn snap field archery, use a lot of arrows and balls in a large field. Ross a ball to a fair distance and shoot it with field tips until missed. Repeat. When you use golf balls to good effect, you've been doing it for a very long time. Worked for me.
The "Lords of the Southern Plains"
seeing the guy hanging from the horse made me cry a little idk why
A thong?!?! Joe "right to the gutter" Rogane.
jmgmarcus 😆
He's just keeping us grounded my dude.😉😁
🤣🤣🤣🤣 love it when something happens just as you scroll past the comment mentioning it
This is the modern Hungarian version of horseback archery, based on the way ancient nomadic huns other tribes were shooting.. The arrows of the huns were feared by the whole western europe as they were masters of this warfare. There is a big movement of reviving this tradition by doing horseback archery as a sport, here is the founder and champion of it, Lajos Kassai: ua-cam.com/video/2yorHswhzrU/v-deo.html
Nothing about Native American warfare comes from Europe. Stop it. Lol
@@mosesmahto118 I don't think he meant that. There's simply a resemblance.
I think its obsolite to fight like this in a large army. Makes sense whem youre ambushing like 100 men or so
@@mosesmahto118 nothing? Maybe the horse lol
The Native people of these lands certainly were cool af! Such a rich and amazing history all around them! 💯💯💯
I absolutely cannot wait for them to get back into the game! They're still here fighting for that second wind! It'll be outta this world 🙌🏼
Hell yeah!! Can’t wait!!
Read the guests book empire of the summer moon. Then come back and tell is if you think theyre "cool" skilled yes. Cool? Absolutely not.
@@donut_seed9813 my wife is Comanche and half the shit they’re saying it’s not true!
No mames
US Goverment just give native Americans 10% of the USA land , thats fair for their population size and probably still practical.
They would live off the land and help reduce emissions and climate change
James Wilson Nichols was my great, great, great grandfather on my grandmother's side (Dad's mom) I read his journal, "Now You Hear My Horn" in 5th grade so Texas history was a breeze. Interestingly, my great uncles were still fighting Comanche in the 1920's in Bandera Pass...
Mongolian Warrior: hold my strips of meat cooked under my saddle by the heat of my horse.
I think one thing people are missing from this is that the natives had horses for barely half a mellinia where as people on the other side of the world had them for thousands of years. That's a very big time gap to compare.
Also when did all pf this "lets shit on the native Americans" stuff begin? It used to be they were cool now everyone is trying to downplay what they did.
Not trying to sound disrespectful, but what did they do? What did they accomplish? I admire how they still had a natural spirituality, but beyond that I dont see where they actually 'did' anything.
@@SwampFeet678 They learned to break horses and fight horseback. Yeah that isn't to major when other people did that but to learn how to do it in organized fashion is major especially when there very likely wasn't anyone teaching them these things.
And since I'll be questioned on it, what I mean "organized fashion" is this is something they teach each other to and do it well. They weren't still jumping onto horses and hoping for the best, no they had a plan and did it.
@@M7S4I5L8V2A , Necessity breeds creativity and invention... Its crazy to think that Europeans reintroduced the horse and the Indians had to learn to ride those same animals to fight White men.
@@SwampFeet678 So you're saying that natives figured out how to ride horses in order to fight? Do you have any scans on that because I find it more possible that they saw Europeans doing it and decided to try it once wild horses became more prevalent in North America.
@@M7S4I5L8V2A , To fight and to hunt. Before they had horses the Indians would have to literally chase Buffalo on foot, and those Buffalo are the main reason Indians never created a centralized concrete society. Much like the Reindeer nomads, Mongolians, in eastern Europe... You are right though. I doubt Indians learned to ride strictly to fight, but once they discovered how many things could be done on horseback their skills sky rocketed.
What this man is referring to is "natural aim". They used their natural hand eye coordination to simply look at their target, draw the bow and quickly release-hitting their target.
For those who like to see what they are talking about there is a scene in the ballad of Buster Scruggs where you see the technique of hiding on the side of a horse is acted out, its amazing!
Joe: They definitely did it, Anderson proves it.
Also Joe: Did they actually use it, was it practical, who cares?! 🤦🏼♂️
The comanche was truly Lord of the plains
Yes in America of course!!!!
Wow the Comanche were incredible warriors
He's describing the Parthian shot which was used by ancient Persian light cavalry and used by every steppe society and much of the horse-loving tribes native in North America.
Jay Thompson And also gave the Romans problems.
Wrong
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@Mercb3ast hmm well I was aware of the under the neck tactic, First Nations trick riders did this not long ago and may still do today. I wasn't aware this was not considered a Parthian shot but after doing some research it appears you are right in that not all retreating 'trick style' shooting should be considered a Parthian shot strictly speaking.
The way Joe says “I’m a bow hunter” at 6:07 is adorable 😂
The Mongol's widely witnessed and documented legendary archery skills date over a thousand years back. The Romans regularly documented similar unbelievable horseback archery, short- and long-range accuracy being displayed by the Parthians during their numerous grand-scale battles (-53bc through 216 ad). The famous "Parthian shot" (the horse archer accurately shoots over the rump of his horse during a feigned tactical retreat designed to lure enemy cavalry in pursuit) was a devastating tactic developed to perfection by the Mongols of the XIII th century.
As a former college pitcher in baseball.
You don’t “aim” the ball. You just throw it at a location. You repeat it often enough, you can hit a dime with a baseball.
Its interesting that you describe the process this way. I taught myself to play tennis netting a ball against a wall with a dotted painted line on it at my high school. I ended up with a killer backhand I never had to think about or see, just be in the moment and it found it’s spot.
Less thinking faster movement the better you get at that the more accurate and faster can be and it even goes too computer games when I was a kid just move n shoot n don't think just react I could do way better once I got good at it
There's an absolutely incredible part of McCarthy's Blood Meridian when The Kid goes into Mexico with a filibuster and they see what they think is a bunch of riderless horses coming onto them until it's way too late, because the Comanche were riding sideways and couldn't even be seen.
The way that entire passage is written and the ensuing blood bath is absolutely incredible. Every word of it. Serious poetry.
I'm surprised Joe's never read BM.
There's a reason they managed to fight an entire 400 years. Remember the glory of Native Americans Warriors. Celebrate their steadfastness. There can only one victor where battle exists
Michael Srite no.
Confederate soldiers were fighting for a way of life. Natives were fighting for their life.
@Michael Srite Remember to study a little more about history, the natives were fighting for their lifes and culture, the confederates were a bunch of traitors fighting for slavery.
Takes time to conquer a continent on horseback!
Some much for the noble savage, huh?
Joe, you are one of the most knowledgeable people I’ve ever heard from
Eugen Herrigel's talks about this, how Japanese archery was different from Western methods. It was to develop an instinctual approach, not an objectively aimed approach. Crucially, they were trying to recover the quality of feeling a baby has in their hands. If you think about it, when you learn archery intensively as a child before the age of 8 you're more likely to have an instinctual grasp that doesn't rely on all the thinking brain stuff that becomes more dominant, particularly in our culture, later. Before 8 that little sliver of orbital-frontal brain on the left side that's so objectively oriented isn't yet competent. After 8 it becomes dominant, and that's the brain we train so heavily in western culture. But if you want to become a concert musician, it's best if you got years of the right instruction that point.
what was called instinctual approach could be considered as a developed and internalized skill. .this could be attained when a would be warrior started training from a primary age . . .
This really makes me want to drop the guns and learn this "real" archery. Back to basics.
The fact they learned to shoot when the horse was in the air during gallop is insane.. yall realize how badass the comanches are?
Thats the only time that's stable enough to shoot an arrow accurately when riding a horse at full speed. All the great horse people figured it out, from Mongols to Turks, to Huns and the Native horse tribes.
Yeah it's kind of a natural realization...
I’m loving these videos Joe, great content
Imagine all the civilizations that we don't know of because no written history or it was destroyed or lost
It's called instinctual archery. For example : when you toss a ball at a glove you don't close or eye... you just "feel" where it should go.
or when Kobe does a side fade away jumpshot
Ok Walking Eagle..
Great read. I Got this book because I read Lonesome dove and through that books characters speaking about the Comanches I became interested in their true story.
The best in their time, but the Parthians, Scythians, Mongolians, and countless steppic civilizations were the best of theirs in using bows on horseback
Agreed, best horse archers in the north american World but the old world had archers with legendary skills that allowed them to conquer large swaths of the world.
If any of you want to see a more actual historical archer who utilises his bow more or less like it was probably used in warfare (aka not a trickshooter like Andersen), check out Lajos Kassai, he does magyar/avar/mongol style of archery from horseback, insane speed and accuracy with a composite, using historical techniques, training and equipment.
I am of Numunu ( Comanche ) ancestry .
Many so called myths about my ancestors have been proven and many negative things have been debunked.
But this master archer , Mr. Larson, is all to real, his archery is true magic !!!!
ua-cam.com/video/qzTaYvMmNYU/v-deo.html
0.000006 is not 60%
Native Americans didnt even have horses until Europeans showed up... Can you imagine what kind of horsemanship they could have achieved if horses were native to the Americas? I think Europeans would have had a much harder time settling here if that were the case.
That or they'd be kept alive for their horsemanship.
@@M7S4I5L8V2A , The Indians kept alive? Or Europeans? The Indians were doomed from the start. You cant have stone age technology and expect to fight against metal armor, rifles and cannons.
@@SwampFeet678 Never said anything of the sort. You were saying what if mstives had more time with horses and I said they may have been kept alive.
@@M7S4I5L8V2A , Turns out the Indians had a hand that drove native horses to extinction in North America... Straight from Wiki: "extinction was linked to overexploitation by newly arrived humans of naive prey that were not habituated to their hunting methods." en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_horse
“Rides the Wind” is an excellent book about Cynthia Ann Parker’s life story. You’ll be left grieving the loss of the Comanche Nation despite all the blood being spilled by Texans and Native Americans.
Yea she refused to convert back when her family was finally caught and starved her self to death in captivity
Horses evolved in North America. Then they migrated out and died out in North America. The reason horses adapted so well to being re introduced to North America in the post Columbian era is because that’s where they came from originally.
Gotta love that revisionist history, eh! Lets see some links and proof of what you are claiming.... EDIT: Thanks to Rune scape for the information... Im not afraid to say im ignorant.
@@SwampFeet678 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_horse
Took me less than a minute you derpy boomer.
@@Runescape99 , Dude, the youngest boomers are in their late 50s! And according to this article, the Indians themselves had a hand in the extinction of the horses... "extinction was linked to overexploitation by newly arrived humans of naive prey that were not habituated to their hunting methods."
@@SwampFeet678 read the first paragraph no one cares natives helped with extinction the topic was about horses evolving in north America.
@@Runescape99 , Never said anyone should care, im just making an observation.
The shooting while moving makes sense. When I try to really focus, control my breath, squeeze the trigger so lightly that it's supposed to be a surprise when it goes off, I miss. Standing straight up, arms swaying, but anticipating the sway and jerking the trigger a second before I think I should, I hit my target. I'm by no means a professional or even trained shooter, but I get it.
They aren't called Indians..."and we still call them Indians...100's of years later" -Louis CK
A good portion of "Native Americans" you meet PREFER Indian if you're not going to call them by their tribe. Native American is incredibly vauge.
Cowboys and INDIANS
@@nedisahonkey I prefer Native American, $5 Indians like to be called Indians
@@hukllankanchis1575 Well doesn't really matter what you prefer, it's whatever the indigenous person in question prefers.
@@hukllankanchis1575 How about we call Native American's, "American" and call everybody else Tourists? I don't think that's too much to ask.
The fact about mongols shooting while the horse is in the air is so cool! Like a sniper shooting between heartbeats.
Those were the helicopters of their day.
Hungarian soldiers were also shooting arrows from a moving horse. (like the Mongols). There are videos online of people who recreate it today.
women in the tribes would lead horses into a river and then slide up on their backs.horses were reluctant to buck in water thus loosing their footing.horses dont like to lose their footing to being with.lt made the horses easier to gentle and begin bonding and trusting their owners.
Also indigenous folks of some tribes called horses 'Thunder Dogs' which l found spoke volumes about the relationship with the horse.Great book by the way.B.P
I've also heard horses referred to as "sacred dogs", I think from Navajo.
In agree with the quiver mythm. they were primarly used for domestic and private hunting purposes. Take for instant the English Longbowmen at the battle of Agincourt, they don't just stand still in an even stationary line. They were building trenches, forts, palisades and wooden stakes; and they don't even carry arrows on their backs.
All they ever did was station the baggage wagon behind the archery line, where the fight might be, tasked the drivers or any of the staff members to grab and refilled the Long with stacks of arrorws for each hand. And repeate this run around over and over.
That way if they need to run (well can't out run mounted knights obviously) they run WITH the baggage wagon and set up a new position. And mind you, they DON'T shoot arrows over the heads (arcking shots) of allies, unless they had a hill archery lines shoot straight. Meaning they NEED clear line of sight.
I didn't know they were especially known for their horsemanship. Now the Watchmen episode title 'Martial Feats of Comanche Horsemanship' makes more sense.
Idk why the drive by bow shot was so funny but imagine Compton in the 90s and someone doing a drive by with a bow🤣
Parthian horseman: hold my arrow in your chest
@Armin Wessler yeah but you have to realize the Parthians had fully armored men and horses at a time when no one else did, except maybe for their buddies up north the Scythians. That's why Marcus Crassus got his ass and head handed to him. At that time they supposedly had over 20k armored horsemen with lances add in a few thousand mounted archers an you have the recipe for disaster.
@Armin Wessler not an expert on steppe horsemen or native Americans, just my two cents. The native Americans had stone age technology and only had horses for a fraction of the time their asian counterparts did, and were able to hold off a much more advanced and numerous force for hundreds of years. Adding in that most native Americans were decimated by disease, not war, and it's pretty impressive that they did as well as they did.
If you are living and in war with a bow then you have to be way next level or you won't be alive for long. These skills were do or die.
my grandfather used to ride like the Comanche when he hunted he could ride on the side of the horse along the Elk herd and pick the bull he wanted and shot under the neck
was he native american?
@@z-z-z-z No just a cowboy and his horse was well trained he could only do it with one horse since she was so smart she could even herd cattle by herself.
@@bigfootstudios7173 awesome horse and rider too
Nonsense, its just a BS story your family conjured up to hide teh fact that your grandfather was a foolish alcoholic.
These are real Comanche archers this guy is talking about, REAL warriors, and here you are spouting about your grandpa? give me a break.
Its all about absolute focus. Top snipers actually time the trigger pull between heartbeats
Scythians, Mongols and all the other horsemen of the Eurasian Steppe
They had horses for hundreds of years before the comanche
The main thing with technique, he shows at the beginning is how setting the arrow and firing should be done on the other side of the bow. For a righty to keep the arrow on the side it comes in at allows for much faster readying and firing
I put the saddle on the museum Comanche horse
- T.K. Kirkland
too funny..
You can do it. It's done the same way quick draw shoot. Essentially you use your right hemisphere instead of left. Its better at close distance.
Just remember it takes him like 1000 attempts for him to pull off those tricks. He cant do it on demand. But its still awesome and very difficult. Alot if skill required.
Staying in motion like a dance. Awesome subject.
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The fool had to make it about him. Here the guy was talking facts about REAL warriors and greats of the plains the Comanche and Joe is talking his BS about bow hunting with sights and other crap. Shut your damn mouth and let the guy explain the Comanche history, no one gives a damn about your messing around in the woods.
The Huns used the same technique as the Comanche, i.e. launching arrows, from under the horses neck, at full gallop a thousand years before.
whos here from Lars new video??
I love that lars Anderson was brought up hes the man
"I'm a Bow-hunter," I knew there was another reason I liked Joe.
The Mongols and Comanches had much in common. Great horsemen, and terrorized their enemies. The Comanches on the American Plains and the Mongols on the steppes of Central Asia.
This is a very cool presentation. After watching it, maybe it would be interesting to see a comparison--as it relates to riding and archery abillities--to compare them to the Mongols. That would be interesting!
The Mongols conquered far more people and land with bows and arrows than the Comanche. But to be fair to the Comanche, the Mongols had much less competition. Comanche’s lived among and battled against tribes like the Apache, Navajo, Kiowa, etc. for thousands of years (along with the American Army for hundreds of years). All of whom were crazy skilled warriors.
In a war between Mongols vs. Comanche, I still give Mongols the victory because their skill and ruthlessness as soldiers is simply unparalleled. But I do think the Comanche had harder competition to fight against.
@@jaredschmidt8013 I would not say that. The mongolians were technically more advanced. Did successfully siege large fortified cities, used canons. (the europeans learned to use guns and gunpowder from the mongolian attacks).
@@mweskamppp Mongols weren't technically superior. They were primarily horsemen and considered anything else like fighting on foot, or using advanced weaponry like crossbows or seige machines beneath them. They had Chinese engineers and other lesser people they subjugated to build and operate them.
@@bryanjames7528 Also the mongols adapted superior technology over the generations. And europe was kind of behind some other regions regarding technology. Until about 1800 europe imported top steel from near east or india. In tamil nadu crucible steel was produced since 500bc. Later in the near east as well.
@@bryanjames7528 Educate yourself with my ancestors history with Josh Carlin’s Wrath of Khans. I can’t deny that man’s speech as a Mongolian.
Joe Rogan is the boss. Never fails to entertain with the diversity of his guests and the conversations he has. Why he is vilified by the MSM I’ll never know. In the future I think he will be recognized as a great chronicler of western civilization for the breadth and scope of his interests.
I shoot a lot of primitive archery and from my personal experience I find that we humans can hit 3D targets much easier than flat paper targets. I think it’s all to do with our peripheral vision and proprioception. It all comes together when shooting 3D shapes.
There was a wild west show at Six Flags Over Texas which I saw in 1965. Maybe this was filmed. It was amazing,
Mongolians: hold my rain of arrows
I love these stories about my ancestors! We were started by Cynthia Ann Parker, and unfortunately they have bleached us out ever since, but I do remember some of my great aunts were named Kado and Topseup
Yes but Quannah was a great chief wasn’t he? I’m from Oklahoma and I’ve heard a lot about him.
I went to a reservation in Oklahoma just about everyone was a miserable alcoholic
@@dickhead6081 okay your point. I’ve been t many all white neighborhoods nothing but meth heads
@@wildonstokes just left Cherokee yesterday. Some of those natives are on meth.