That bloke who said, "Robert Pattinson and Bruce Wayne are completely different entities," is going to be so embarrassed when he finds out what an actor is.
@@nicmagtaan1132 Especially Batman who uses stealth, smarts, gadgets to his advantage. Would love to see Batman outwit his opponents instead of just outbrawl them.
@Mayonnaise Eye he said it after him and gohan left the hyperbolic time chamber before their year was up and vegeta said goku couldn’t handle the whole year and that’s when he said it
I love seeing someone talk about men issues in a productive way instead of just using our problems as a cheap way to shut down someone trying to talk about female issues. This is the type of conversation we must have more often.
Basically this! The standards of masculinity imposed to men are equally damaging to their self perception and mental health as they are for women. Any intersectional feminism analysis recognises this and it should recognise that
@@bimbowithadegree420 And yet, many intersections femenist analysis still puts it as secondary. Women's issues should not be shut down, but it's not a minor issue in feminism. Musandry is massive in the movement, and too often defended by femenist the way misogyny is defended by gamers.
@@mycaleb8 I can't really speak for all feminists and for the misandry in the movement, I think its however important to understand that mainstream feminism is not intersectional feminism based on a q***r analysis of gender; its instead liberal feminism co opting the aesthetics of intersectionality while really just focusing on the struggles of white middle class and upper class women (what I mean by mainstream is the buzzfeed type, pop feminism and the major liberal institutions) and that has been an issue within feminist movements from the get go (back in the suffrage stage, black women were often left out of feminist spaces and working class women as well, for example). This is why we should understand that first and foremost feminism is a theoretical lense, and that there isn't a single feminism, there's feminisms. Each branch varied and taking its own approach, however to me what is more convincing and more prepared to deal with gender systems and concern itself with everyone who it harms, is intersectional feminism based on a qu**r lense. This is because it looks at how we have constructed gender roles and expectations and how it has harmed everyone involved even if in different ways, or if originally meant to aid them. It looks at the way men are seen as less than men if they are raped and often are ridiculed and not taken seriously when it does happen; but it also looks at how women are often targets of harassment at work and the constant enlargement of their bodily rights. It looks at how gay men are ridiculed for being less as not living up to masculinity since they are associated with the feminine; but also how lesbian women are seen as lesser women because they are not often interested or attracted to pursuing ideals of feminity; it also validates trans struggles by understanding how much of what we are expected to do within society- ie the definition of gender- are socially and narrowly constructed standards. It cares about everyone, it understands the need to make gender constructions something that helps everyone. I am not gonna tell you there aren't issues with the modern mainstream feminist movement, coming from a leftist lense- yes there are, but where I am coming from I can't answer for that, what I can do, and what I have seen happen more in the last two years, is push back from this status quo, neo liberal form of feminist activism and advocacy, to a model that more closely aligns with my values 😀 I would recommend you look into Judith Butler and other qu**r feminist theorists they helped me imensly undertand all I do now 😀
@@bimbowithadegree420 I'm actually aware of Judith and other actually progressive femenist, and while less comedically hypocritical, but I have issues with it as well. That being said, I really appreciate and respect your attitude and perspective on the issue.
Both males and females have the same problem and both should be talked about equally I'm a feminist btw but I find it annoying when someone shuts someone down when they have a problem that should be talked about
It bothers me so much that a guy can train for years naturally and build a physique that's better than 99% of men and still get told they're "only ok" because Hollywood has built such an unreasonable expectation of what being in shape looks like. The actors themselves don't even look like that 24/7. Also forgot to mention that the movie gives them the perfect lighting and shadow, anyone in bodybuilding knows how much of a difference down lighting can make
Have you asked yourself why it bothers you though? Did you invest in this image not realising it was unachievable? It used to bother me too. Less so now that I’ve had ample time to come to terms with the fact that we’re not gonna look like these people or the UA-cam fitness types unless you go to unreasonable lengths to achieve or maintain a certain look, and none of it makes you any happier. I’d rather enjoy the journey and maintain a good physique that paints the picture of someone who’s mentally healthy in addition to being physically fit. Pulsating and disproportional biceps, giant flared lats, and a sleazy fake tan make a man look like an emotionally damaged, neurotic mess who cares way too much of how he’s perceived. They usually attract toxic women who suffer from the same issues.
@@CursedWheelieBin same here dude, I was chasing f1 cars while driving a pretty good sedan. I got to a point where I just rather be strong than look like that and ended up looking very good instead of chasing unrealistic goals (naturally). Looks will follow performance before performance follows looks.
the bar is unreasonably high, I've heard guys with 6 pack abs getting told they're "ok" because to many you need to be absolutely jacked with dangerously low body fat and be so dehydrated you're ready to pass out to qualify as "shredded". I'm not super fit since i dont cut but i still spend around 10-15 hours a week at the gym and get called "average" or even "kind of small" even though I'm 6ft and 190lb.
Batman being a swole unit always baffled me, he does Batman things during the night, he does Bruce Wayne things during the day. Where is the time to pump iron for hours and recover? Sure he'd be fit and strong, but not double sided fridge big. Pattinsons Batman was great in all the ways.
I was actually very disappointed but not surprised by the "men's rights" types that immediately attacked him for not perpetuating the body image issues.
Speaking of, since Batman wears a non-revealing suit there really isn’t a reason for actors to get “shredded” to play Batman (unless there’s some shirtless scene).
It’s not that some of these physiques aren’t naturally possible, it’s that it’s not naturally possible to have these physiques in such a short amount of time
@@squeaky1963 there's a good chance Kumail used steroids. But there's a good chance half these superheroes used steroids toom Chris Hemsworth keeps loosing and gaining bulk for movies, Hugh Jackman's wolverine transformation was unreal, there's no way Chris Evans doesn't use for Cap America. But none of them are ever accused of it. That's the racist part.
@@radmoonable You do realize everyone of the people you have said has been accused of using steroids. The real reason kumail's case is getting this much attention is because Twitter automatically branded it as racism and got the mob going
When actors say they could smell water because they were so dehydrated for a scene, like a sexy bath scene (Henry Cavill for The Witcher), that’s demonstrative of the problem.
@Ararune you can die or couse organ damage. It is espeially dangerous when done with dieretics. It is a comon practice among bodybuilders at competition and it sure make you look way better. But still potentialy deadly.
Bodybuilding is not about appealing to the masses it’s about building the freakiest and most aesthetic muscular look possible. Also only genetic freaks with insane work ethic (and steroids) can look like that. Most bodybuilder don’t look like freaky mass monsters.
Well thats not the point, if you know anything about bodybuilding shows they grade them on proportion size and other things if a guy just showed up with a huge massive pair of biceps that look like tumors he would get last place the whole point of the sport is how prefect can you mold your body keeping track of certain things like making sure your arms arent too big or chest isnt too big and how shredded you are. You are literally crafting your body like sculpture. And these people you have to admire their dedication they know what they are doing and do it for the sport proving they are the best.
Body builders don't look like that "for the ladies" so to speak, it's nothing sexuality-oriented so I don't think they care if people don't find them attractive. BUT YES, to me, once the fat starts to dwindle, the body becomes more and more unappealing. I could totally drool all over Strong Man competitors and actors like Adam Driver(he's the only actor under Disney whom I've seen having fat on his body in recent times, he looks healthy and muscular, that's HOT), but body builders and muscular people with low fat percentages on their body just look like ugly, skinned anatomy models to me. Once the tiddy fat is gone, I'm out lol
Chris Evans mentioned in an interview that when they shoot the Marvel movies, they do all the beauty shots, like when they're shirtless, and the helicopter biceps scene from Winter Soldier, very early on during filming, because the actors have a hard time staying huge with the heavy film schedule.
for some scenes they also have to seriously dehydrate themselves in addition to staying fit and cutting all fat off to get that shredded look. Look up candid photos after shooting and their abs and pecs mostly disappear along with the shredded muscles because it's completely unsustainable. Hugh Jackman once said he needed to spend a couple days preparing for shirtless scenes to dehydrate himself for that cut look, then he'd be so weak and burned out he'd need time after to recover and that's all outside of staying totally fit and eating healthy. Some stars seem to yo-yo 10, 20 pounds or even more up and down between films.
He naturally has no waist. He’s “barrel chested”. His rib cage doesn’t taper at the bottom, I think it even flares out, which was a popular and attractive body type in the early 20th century IMO. Men use to try to “expand”their ribcages with certain exercises and stretches. I think it’s because it’s the opposite of most womens ribcages. My point is he has an unusual skeleton shape in general, and would like that even if he were ripped. The first I thought when I saw him is that he has really odd skeletal proportions, which is a weird thought, but somehow almost everyone else thought so to. I never thought he needed to be leaner. Some people might find him extremely attractive and that’s subjective.
There are scenes from that show girls he did where he was shirtless and wearing lower rise pants and he actually has a really nice body. Star Wars did him dirty smh
Im an older male, I started taking a prescribed T supplement, having been previously at 12% body fat in my 20s and even 30s. I went from 28% to 14% in 5 months. I started working out pretty hard again like I had 15 years ago. Its been good, but telling lies about how this happens is bad for image. When people ask I tell them straight up I take testosterone and supplements.
@@JohnWayne-ec1gi The doctor told me just ten years ago, he would have been prescribing only 50+ year olds. He says with the way the supplement birds and fish before slaughter, and how bad plastics are, he is seeing young adult males with similar levels of T to a 65 year old man. He says its going to lead to heart issues, immune system problems, skin disorders, all kinds of shit.
What I heard was that Robert Pattinson wouldn't be working out for the role, like not doing anything. Then I found out that he was actually doing a fitness routine, he just wasn't going crazy like other movie stars. I thought, "What's the big deal? He's functionally fit! That's what Batman is supposed to be anyway!"
@@pacchioni985 But that depends on how he is portrayed. Batman is a trained ninja, so despite his smaller build he can still one up his foes by using stealth, gadgetry, etc. It really all depends on how the character is portrayed but we cannot judge this until the film is released.
@@pacchioni985 Batman is a martial artist and has many disciplines, so quote on quote, "ninja batman" would be able to beat the living day lights out of anyone not due to his muscles or gadgets but more on him knowing and being trained to know what to do in a fight. Sure his muscles and gadgets help but that isn't all, plus big bulky batman would make him slower at striking and what not and easily get tired
@@pacchioni985 depends really, "Batman: Earth One" which seems to have inspired the movie a lot contains a muscular but "realistic" Male body, Bruce Wayne has an average height and is fit but not Stalone Rambo muscular, still he kicks ass and it's one of the best batman comics I read in my opinion, Extra buff 6'3 Batman is an interpretation amongs others.
There's this great channel called more plates more dates on which the guy does these scientific natty or not breakdowns. The running joke on the channel is whenever the actors are asked how they got so ripped they ALL say the EXACT same thing "Worked out 6 hours a day and ate nothing but *chicken and broccoli*. Chicken and broccoli became a synonym for steroids.
I've laughed my ass off for years about the chicken and broccoli. Laugh even harder at idiots who thinks they go through these dramatic body transformations naturally. People watch to much TV nowdays, dont know how the real world works anymore
I remember Henry Cavill talking about how he managed to loook so massive in the bath scenes for The Witcher. God it must be hell, being dehydrated so much only for a 10 second shot...
It's hearing stuff like this that reminds me of Chris Hemsworth pushing for Thor having the fatsuit in Endgame and how he was probably so relieved that he didn't have to maintain his insane physique as much.
Also originally they were going to have him go right back to ripped at the end of the film after he powered up. Hemsworth protested that, probably because it would completely disconnect audiences from the character. I really love how Thor was portrayed in Endgame ("I'm still worthy"), even if there were a bit too many jokes thrown his way.
Tbh, Thor is not a human, so he can have strange body type, but i think that Thor being fat isn't a terrible idea, since strongmen often are quite heavy, since to power and maintain lots of muscles, you need lots of easily accessible energy. (and in myths, Thor was quite a voracious eater if my memory isn't wrong)
I think if the character wasn't play just for laughs while everyone was showed with more vulnerability it would have worked better for the public. But since Ragnarok he's became a comedy character so it was up to keep the tone i guess 🤷♀️
its quite common in kpop for female idols to drink lots of water for two weeks and not drink water or eati salty food for a few days before a comeback/music video
@@dubudubudan same for male idols, all those "abs reveal" videos are basically the members being really dehydrated while performing complex choreo on stage.
There's a reason body builders dehydrate themselves before shows.. smash diaheretics.. can actually shift a decent amount of fat in a couple of weeks and a lot of water in 2 days to make Urself much more ripped.. sustaining day to day on the dehydration front, effectively impossible
This really trickles down beyond Hollywood, too. I’m a woman, but I lift and I’m friends with a lot of guys who do. Nearly all of them have told me they have been tempted to use, and all of them know at least a couple guys who do. One of my friends started and quit. He knows a guy in his twenties who has to see a doctor weekly because his liver is so screwed up from all the stuff he uses. The effect of what’s happening in Hollywood is so clear to see; when you’re at the gym and you see guys who use, or guys talking about how they work out three times a day, or guys eating a thousand calories below maintenance for a cut, you know it’s a problem. It’s crazy how it’s been accepted as part of the fitness industry, even for average people
I highly doubt that there exists a guy who's been working out for more than a few years that knows anything at all about peds, that hasn't considered it at some point.
Yeah the problem is hollywood lies about it. If the actors just said "yeah, the part called for the physique to be very defined and large so i did a cycle of prescribed steroids under the supervision of a doctor, but I wouldn't recommend that for everyone or for long term use". Instead, we're made to think it's just pure training and chicken/broccoli and then wonder why we can't gain 20lbs of muscle in 2 months like Mark Wahlberg did.
Actor: "Actors are presured into body transformations and I won't do that." The public: "Tries to pressure the actor into body transformation." Congratulations. You are the point.
@@jdamsel8212 I'm sure there's tons of actors that are. Acting is so oversaturated. To claim its rare is not being genuine. There's so much supply of actors. There's probably many big guys who want to act
While I totally get Pattinson's point, part of me feels like hes posturing a bit and using it as an excuse somewhat. He comes off as a guy with a fuck you mentality and doesnt at all seem like the gym type. So I'm sure the last thing he wants to do is lift weights. Lol
Captain America was not PED's. Captain America went through a procedure that actually transformed his body into something new. PEDs do not transform the body into something new they push the existing body to behave in a certain way and once the PED's are stopped the horrible fun can begin.
Those “men” youtubers at the end attacking Robert make me sick. They expect someone to destroy their bodies for a movie, meanwhile they all look like mr. potato head.
Yeah, that part with the guy who looked like a stapler salesman ranting about how he needs to lift was insane. I'll be the first to say that sure, I think Batman should be in shape, but at the same time, getting that worked up over it is absolutely crazy if you're a grown man.
They are absolute pieces of shit. The way they talked about, not just Robert Pattinson's body and reasons for not working himself into the ground, but about other actors who have done body transformations, reveals a gross entitlement to another human's body.
Thank you. This was excellent. I was anorexic at a young age because all the media said women had to be skinny as lamp posts and in my 20s watching my also very very skinny boyfriend go the exact opposite direction into beefing up and turning into a monster made me very angry that men don't get as much or any attention for how damaging media and cultural expectations can be for them as well. I hope more people start questioning this ridiculous idea that jacked or swole or whatever is the only way to be a man.
There’s nothing wrong with coming out of being malnourished and skinny to a big muscle guy??? It’s healthy and as long as he’s not harming himself to get there I’d say that’s a positive influence on him from the media
Since when has the media wanted women to be skinny. I was born in the 90s and it was J.Lo, Beyonce, Salma Hayek, Shakira, Scarlett Johansson. Now it's Kim Kardashian and Nicki Minaj.
They don't get as much attention probably because it all started 20 or so year later. Heroin chic started in the 90s. I wonder if men would have their own body positive movement in 10-20 years.
@@adequatename2311 all those women are skinny/slim/thin or any term you want to use, they got "curves in the right places", give the same # of examples celebs that are considered very attractive women with a with a big belly. Yumi Nu appeared in sport illustrated and her beauty went into question right away
Christian Bale and Jared Leto are the only two that I believe can do these body transformations "naturally", and that is solely because they are both literally insane.
My father in his fifties looks like some of these leading men. To specify, I mean the leaner ones like the shot of Jared Padalecki. He doesn't take steroids. But, he does have a strick excercise and diet regimen that he has stuck to for about 35 years. He has panic attacks when he has to give up going to the gym for family events. When he had cancer his only concern was getting healthy enough to have enough immune system to go back to the gym. He beat the cancer eventually. But now he lives at gym, making desperate efforts to get back the bulk he lost due to chemo. He grew up watching leading men with those physiques and I think it's messed him up a bit. It breaks my heart. I grew up with him telling me I don't have to look like a super model to be beautiful inside and out. But I have never been able to convince him of the same. Thank you for making this.
@Alright Alright Alright I cannot even begin to explain how disgusting that comment is. My dad has no immune system left because of the chemo. Did you miss the part about the cancer? He is going to the gym 5 days a week, during covid, and from which he caught the damn swine flu 6th months ago. It almost killed him and he is still recovering from the damage that did. And what did he do? Went right back the the gym the moment he was strong enough to walk again. The world does not revolve around beauty standards. And it's not ok to advocate for someone to literally risk his life in search of them. You are part of the problem.
@Alright Alright Alright wow imagine being this insensitive towards a son being dead worried about the mental state of his father who just barely recovered from cancer and still risks his life only to look good but being this sensitive just for being called out for it
As a man who suffered body dysmorphia and anorexia in his teens, I can say that I was absolutely negatively impacted by the image of male physical perfection propagated by hollywood. Its great to see a video that raises awareness about this issue. Especially in such a nuanced way.
@@793Force *very well said!!* Keep on pushing bro. You’ll reach your goals, cos unlike tom driver you sound like a go getter who makes shit happen for himself, rather than blame outward influences for why he isnt where he wants to be. Keep it up, brother! While i do understand that media beauty standards can take a toll on the mind and make a person feel a type of way if they dont particularly fit into that standard, (i know cos i was one of them. I was borderline annorexic too) i also believe a person can achieve anything they want so long as they are willing to just try, put the work in and focus more on where they want to be rather than focusing on the effect of outward influences. You are the captain of your own ship, and the master of your own fate! You can 100% get whatever body you want so long as you discipline yourself and put in the work and effort towards it. And then the media beauty standards or whatever wont bother you one bit. Because you’ll look exactly how you want to look and will be proud of it cos you worked your ass off to get there.
I'm so sorry about these replies and I hope you've recovered from your eating disorder. These guys in the replies obviously watched the video on mute because they completely missed the point. I'm not a guy but if the beauty standards are anything like they are for women, I know it can be VERY damaging.
@@793Force that may be true for you, but media affects different people differently. Im not saying we should censor any kind of media, im just saying our beauty standards have the potential to cause damage. Im glad they didnt have that affect on you :)
I love Robert Patterson. He’s awesome. I loved he was never insanely buff as Edward too. I’m glad he’s refusing to do for Batman too. I thought he was ugly in twilight but now I know I just hate the way they styled and overly edited him.
@@rdablock Most people have never been hit like that or thrown a solid punch in their life so none of them have a real sense for the physicality of it.
Here’s how I see it - actors and actresses can be easily replaced now. If you don’t look the part, someone else will. It’s terrifying to never feel safe.
You are correct and this is why this situation cannot be fixed or remedied in a satisfactory way. Just look at beautiful women in the industry. They are the big thing when they are in their 20s but as soon as they hit their 30s they start losing roles. In most cases, these women still look great but they are competing against a horde of younger, hotter women. These older women either go to extreme lengths (bad physical surgery) to keep roles or they just suck it up and realize the reality if the situation .. same goes for the men.. it’s definitely a business I’d want no part of
Not really... Nepotism is in all time high now. They can be the worst actors every but if they have or had someone close famous in the industry they can easily get a job. They have private auditions, get callbacks 3-4 times and hell event the scripts are changed for them... making another role just for them. Making movies became family business now.
I'm totally okay with Olympian style bodies being seen as ideals in films and other media, even as prerequisites for certain roles. There's a reason we innately value them. Despite this, its the lack of openness and dialogue about the realities of obtaining such bodies that reinforce unrealistic standards and engender a toxic discourse around the subject. You can't have your cake and eat it (unless you're bulking of course)
Exactly. As long as the public has a realistic assessment of what it takes to achieve that body, namely substance use and not just hard work and broccoli, that will lead to this convo becoming more nuanced.
I think it's a concern when actors are supposed to be playing average dudes and not superheroes or secret agents and are still ripped as hell. Not saying it's impossible but if you take say, Eddie Brock in Venom, who is supposed to be a poor photographer who is barely scraping by but still has a ridiculously ripped physique even before the Symbiote attaches to him or you get someone who is supposed to be playing an overworked dad in a dead end job who clearly has no time to work out and is somehow still jacked it seems jarring.
I honestly appreciate movies/tv that just have regular-looking people as leads. It helps me relate to them better and be more committed to the story. When someone is just an absolute stunner, it's kind of distracting.
That’s so true. It’s more distracting now, knowing all we know. “I guess Steve Rogers is skipping today’s workout because he’s off saving the world. Oh no. Today was meant to be a high volume leg day. Think of the regression!” 🤨 Back in the glorious 80s people just thought “holy crap!” 😂
On a lark, I tried out that Machinist diet. An apple for breakfast, tuna for lunch and dinner, and cigarettes to curb my snacking. Yeah, I definitely lost weight. I also lost my fucking mind.
No wonder there was that (in)famous occasion when he flipped his shit on set ... ... between all his efforts to shape his body to fit the certain rôles he was cast for, must've eventually caught up with him ...
I am so glad you have made this video. As a pretty devoted gym rat for the past 2 years, I am so fed up of trying to explain to people that YES you’re favourite actor transformation was most likely assisted by PEDs and that YES your favourite athlete is most likely on PEDs. But NO there is nothing wrong with PEDs people just are quite about it. They are always in disbelief and call me wrong and uneducated…
It's downright laughable how every celebrity and athlete claims "yeah I added 30 pounds of muscle while getting to 2% body fat by eating nothing but chicken breasts, broccoli, and brown rice" or some crazy diet. The Liver King and the Rock are both kind of laughable in their denial of PEDs since the Rock is bigger than he was in his WWE days and bigger than most of the fittest athletes and actors half his age and the Liver King always looks like he's about have a heart attack and has a distended muscle gut and a misshapen physique that's more out of proportion than even professional powerlifters.
@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 the closest modern feminism ever gets to discussing male issues is "hurr durr toxic masculinity". The movement claims to want to help men, but the advice it offers is for men to stop raping and to stop being sexists because we apparently are, and that's what's causing us to suffer.
@@labangrankvist2993 IDK how did you all miss so much of feminism but talking about how much gender norms and social expectations based on gender and how much those are bad is basically what we constantly talk about.
Meanwhile there's Keanu Reeves, full on dad bod and known as one of the hardest working most skilled actual fighters in hollywood. Plus he can run 3 gun like a pro.
right look at tony ja, jet li, jackie chan, donny yen, scott adkins, micheal jai white (no really look at white he looks big but it's because he's tall, he's not that insanely muscular, it's mostly lighting) look at a number of martial arts stars and you'll see, if you ACTUALLY freeze frame and look at them, they have decent, but not unrealistic physiques, probably because like keanu, they train for their role the way the character in the movie would have trained, i don't see john wick going to the gym seven times a day, i could see him doing workout maybe three to four times a week, 45 to an hour a day, and then going and practcing guns and jiujitsu etc, just like the other actors i mentioned they mostly train in their martial arts, sept white, i'm sure white lifts, but i doubt he lifts more than average, which again is like, an hour or so a day, three to five times a week, give or take, now don't get me wrong, YOU CAN workout six times a week, two hours a day, but that is with a split routine, ya know, mon-arms, tue-chest, wed-legs, thur-back, etc, me and a buddy used to workout like that all the time, we'd get off work, go to the gym at midnight and get out around 2 or 3 o clock in the morning, it got results, but we also go the whole next day and day after that etc to rest the part we worked out that night, sorry for being long winded, good video
@@DynomitePunch in a similar vein, look at real world operators like Mat Best, Evan Hafer, Jocko Willink, etc. They don't look like bodybuilders, but they have real world insane functional strength from both the training reqs and realities of their jobs.
@@IamJigle yeah in pictures, and he's in great shape don't get me wrong, but he's also REALLY TALL, which gives the visual illusion that he's bigger than he is, i'm not saying he's small, he is jacked, but he looks even bigger especially since camera's video and photo DO make people look bigger by flattening their picture when it's taken, also lighting is a big part of it, for example, when i'm under a light that's directly over me, i can see the musculature of my arm way better than if i wasn't in reality i don't look that big, but due to lighting etc i look way bigger, that's what i'm driving at, that and he's not constantly shifting weight like he's a sponge man like bale and them guys do, mike stays roughly the same shape
Partly because there are different types of functional fitness depending on what you are trying to get your body to do. At the top of their games a heavyweight boxer looks very different to a Kung Fu black belt who looks very different to an Olympic sprinter who is different again to a pro cyclist. Even within cycling you can often tell the difference between a circle track sprinter and a Tour de France pro. Meanwhile Hollywood has slowly been making everyone look like a bodybuilder, which often translates to low functional fitness because you're carrying around too much muscle in places that impede flexibility or running and make you tired faster. I appreciate not having a completely jacked Batman because while yes, he's supposed to be big, he's also supposed to be able to run around on rooftops for hours and be so stealthy he can sneak up on ninjas while clinging to ceiling beams. I like rock climbing and it's always fun being in the climbing gym with weights gym junkies who struggle to finish a single climb without being too exhausted while my semi-fit ass keeps going, partly because of technique, and partly because I'm not lifting up muscles that are stopping me from getting my full range of motion from extended to tightly crouched.
I really recommend working out. You will feel so much better. Mentally and physically you will be so much sharper. Heavy weight training is the best but do start with running if you are nervous.
A guy in my university was really into body building and had to drop out because he seriously injured himself by working out too much. I completely agree that it is important to acknowledge that it isn't realistic to work out past a certain degree without PEDs regardless of how dedicated you are.
Coming from someone who’s lifted for 10 years, seeing these transformations occur in such small amounts of time really makes me want to do gear, it’s demoralising working so hard to build muscle, just to have people compare you to an actor and then tell you that you just must be jealous when you critique not the physique, but the timeframe it was built in
I've been lifting naturally for many years but I've never wanted to do gear. I think people on steroids generally look ridiculous. Way too vascular, way too bulbous. You should aim to just have a healthy, functional body. There's no benefit to being absolutely jacked over 'fit' unless you're training for a particular sport.
@@dannyclub09 some people want to be diced to the socks, just to feel good in their own skin. It isn't always about strength. Some want to be super lean and not have their biceps blow their sleeves wide open, others want to be able to shred their shirt in a single flex. Not everyone is the same or wants the same thing, js.
@@XanVicious Nah, but an extortionate desire to be large coupled with damaging your health by taking steroids in order to achieve that implies body dysmophoria or some rampant insecurities.
Taylor Lautners body transformation for the twilight movies considering he was only like 16 or 17 years old makes me so sad! And then the fact that some pictures of him came out years later after he literally disappeared from hollywood and he obviously didn’t have that body anymore and people were calling him fat and shit... holy fuck its sooo gross!
Wait was he actually a teenager when he played Jacob?! I thought he was in his early 20’s at least. Either way it’s fucked up how the media treats him. People are more than their bodies!
@@alyssapinon9670 nope, he was a teenager, and was told to gain serious muscle for New Moon or he was out. Like imagine the amount of pressure on a literal kid-and then to have your entire career revolve around having that body... no wonder the dude retreated from public life
@@TheaTheGenius He got a shit load of money for the amount of pressure. What do you expect? And its not that hard for teenager to go work out, its even fun for most of them. He retreated from acting because he couldnt act and and wanted too much money. His movies after Twillight failed so producers didnt think he could carry a movie. Thats why he left. His co star Pattinson took many roles in independent movies and worked his way up.
@@LinhPham-wh9ts another person missing the point, pattinson didn’t look like Lautmer in the twilight movies and also pattinson was older. Just because you are paid a shit tonne of money for a role it’s not inherently right to expect that from a child/ then criticise him years on for not upholding unrealistic body standards.
As a woman, this level of muscles has always grossed me out. Ironically, it’s done mostly to impress other men, same for women who want to look a certain way as competition with other women.
Yep I actually had so much respect for patinson that he didn't want to juice or train like mad. He is an actor first and not a fitness trainer or body builder.
Because that was the 80s. Keatons Batman wasn’t trying to be comic accurate. His Batman killed people and the joker murdered his parents. Do you really think tim burton cared about Batman’s physique?. Matt reeves on the other hand wants his Batman to be comic accurate
Well.. I respect robert even more , he has the biggest set of balls in Hollywood. His ability to just say "no" makes him a much greater man than 90 percent of Hollywood.
I mean...you're right... But, the pressure is real. Some actors lose their careers when saying "no". Some stars are so comfortably situated, they can and will say "no" whenever they please. For many divas it doesn't take any category of balls to say "no".
Yeah, but wasn't he pretty jacked in Twilight? It's not like he can't do it. Lol. Although he is much older now so I could understand why he wouldn't want to.
i mean, would you say that his ability to say "no" makes him a greater man, or is it more likely that the only reason he can say it in the first place and still have a part or a future in the industry is because he's already big enough to get roles on name recognition alone? The fact is that most male actors don't get a choice.
That literally doesn't make any sense. You are able to lift heavy weights for years and years at a time. Joint problems are only caused by lifting like an absolute tard. His problems weren't caused by the expectation. They were caused by him lifting like an absolute jackass
@@shonenjumpmagneto I know right...these poor poor actors and their million dollar mansions and bentleys. I think they can endure some back pain for the amount they get paid
@@ronaldwhitman1377 fucking exactly! And besides...he bulked up years and years ago for a role in a film called 'Bronson' on which he played a convict. Lifting and squatting like a dumbass, forcing more weight to soon then u can handle is what causes I injuries. And if he cant pick up his kids its prob because of poor form for years
I challenge any male who has gotten into weight lifting of any kind to not struggle with body dysmorphia. I was so fat after uni, I started lifting to lose the weight which also meant I put on a little muscle, so by the time I was done i was lean without being massive and I had a chiseled chest and abs. I felt so good, I decided hey lets get bigger, so I bulked. I bulked for 2 months which as anyone who is natural knows, will not really yield much in the way of gains but my abs lost their visibility, my serratus was still visible, my pecs were still chiseled but my abs becoming even the slightest but fuzzy made me switch to an insta cut. I have been lifting for 3 years now and have just finished my first real bulk. I bulked for 7 months and in that time I got so much stronger, so much better, my mood improved but I couldn't take my shirt off, I would shower and run past the mirror, I would get ready in the morning before going to wash my face and brush my teeth so that I didn't have to look at my body in the mirror. I couldn't even take shirtless pictures for my trainer so I had to face time him and close my eyes when I took my top off and then turn away from the mirror to put my clothes back on. I eventually caught a glimpse of myself in a mirror when I went to see what the bruises were like from some cupping treatment I had self-administered (I am a physio) and I felt sick and depressed despite knowing full well I wasn't fat, I was so much stronger, the bulk inevitably came with fat. So I looked bigger, you could tell I had a lot of muscle but not much definition, I didn't have a belly, but it was flat, no abs in sight. I started a cut recently and I am getting my definition back which makes me happy but as a result I am losing small increments of my strength which makes me feel almost as shitty as losing definition, its a vicious game man
I'm not very knowledgeable about fitness or body building, but it seems to me like we ought to adjust our body expectations for what a physically fit man is supposed to look like. As far as I understand it you can have several overall healthy body types. The bulky super toned comic book character body type is just trying to take all the "best" aspects of each body type and it's not sustainable or healthy at all. Let weightlifters be bulky, and runners be slim, plus everything inbetween. I hope you can find comfort in your body regardless of what it looks like.
Yep, I didn’t have any body issues when I was chubby in high school (which fluctuated from pretty fit to a bit overweight), but I thought I was still chubby at my lowest weight, just because I couldn’t see my abs and the lower belly fat was there.
As woman, it doesn't matter if muscles are seen from a km away, fact they're there is enough, natural bodies look, well, natural, and better with that.
as a person who works in tv production, the way male actors are made to feel about their bodies is just as harmful, shitty, and dangerous as their female counterparts. i know actors who have seriously messed up their health long term for a single shirtless scene, which is devastating. thanks for this video, it's a good one!
@@SOSO_CREPITUS I don’t want to violate anyone’s privacy by talking specifics, but I will say that there are lots of horrible side effects that come along with mistreating your body, and they can last far longer than the diet/exercise does. intentional dehydration, malnutrition, persistent caloric deficits etc can do some pretty serious damage
When I started working out with a personal trainer a few years ago, he gave me really Frank advice about what is and is not possible without PEDs. He told me upfront that he used PEDs himself, and I should bear that in mind if aspiring to his body type. I really appreciated the honesty tbh.
@@ericjorgearnezinochea9679 no he ran his own gym so he wasn’t selling drugs. He must have been purchasing them for personal use somehow. Though I am sure there were other people at the gym selling as there are at every gym I have been to.
Wow, all I know is that my pops always said "that stuff is not good for ya liver, and check out body builders who don't live pass the age of 40". BX STAND UP!!!
Damn, this video really opened my eyes to how I even view my own body. As a 22 year old male that goes to the gym 6 days a week, I find that I feel frustrated with my progress and my body image every other day. To the point where I get super depressed for weeks because I’m not seeing the “overnight gains” that I’m so used to seeing on the internet. Thank you for opening up this discussion because I didn’t even realize how harmful this body image stuff is in my own life.
Just be the best you that you can be. It is better to know what is achievable naturally with normal genetics and then just get off instagram lol Remember why you started amd just keep training and build your physique
As someone who has lifted for 7yrs straight you should know you CAN look like these guys. But it’ll take a long time with no drugs. You could use drugs and get the result of 7years in a few months...but it’s not worth it. Love long, be healthy, and kick ass in the gym
As a guy who has only recently started a fitness journey, whatching this video has given me a lot to think about. You are 100% right about how men are pressured just as much as women to look a certain way, and even though this is something that is being discussed more and more, when celebrities talk about their struggles, they are either ridiculed (like in Pattinson's case) or criticized (like Adele and Rebel Wilson). Seeing how the companies behind athletes and celebrities create this kind of environment for their employees makes me think that all the recent body possitivity and me too movement, that these companies are "embracing" and preaching about, are just a façade and they actually couldn't care less about the people who are suffering. Quite sad actually
I remember watching an interview where Zac Efron said he was never going to work out like he did for Baywatch again coze he was basically starving himself
And what makes it worse is he was 100% taking PEDs for that role too, So having to starve yourself and deal with the strain of starving yourself is insane
I swear if it was just a normal citizen doing this kind of thing they'd be diagnosed with an ED but since it's actors doing it they're just "committed" and whatnot
Zac Efron recently worked on a Netflix documentary where he explored different countries’ foods an approaches to environment sustainability and I remembered him eating ravioli in Italy, looking so happy and saying something like “I finally get to enjoy carbs.” I’m glad he seems to have taken a big step back from Hollywood and is off enjoying life and all it’s wonderful foods.
I never understood that. You don't need to cut out carbs to get a good physique. Hollywood's approach to body transformations is completely inaccurate and misinformed.
@@ish762 getting shredded is generally done with carb restriction. Yeh you can technically leaner than you are as long as you’re in a calorie deficit but it’s much easier to restrict carbs
@@paulgotik How much more money can he want. No other actor gets so many lead roles in a single year. He's the higest payed actor. I like him, but he should slow down and leave some roles for other actors who aren't getting a chance because guy like the rock get all the roles.
The even deeper issue here is the adoration and idolizing of these people in the first place. If society wasn't so swept away with celebrities, trying to imitate and emulate them, we wouldn't have a great deal of problems we do.
Why do we idolize? What needs are we trying to fulfill? How can we fulfill those needs in a healthier way? That's what needs to be done, rather than a judgemental "Just stop idolizing."
it's human nature. For much of western civilizations history people compared themselves to greek and roman statues trying to get that look, Hercules especially was so popular his statues were often the benchmark for physical fitness even though he was a super humanly strong half god. Other cultures had similar such as the Hawaiians striving to pick up the Naha stone which weighed 5000 pounds, Vikings trying to carry the 410lb Húsafell Stone, and there are similar legendary stones elsewhere (there's tons of legendary "lifting stones"). Some polytheistic cultures similar to the Greeks and Romans would try to emulate gods or legendary heroes, or even athletes of their time like some who tried to get physiques like the gladiators and countless people tried to emulate their cultures greatest warriors. It's all pretty similar to today where you've got people emulating actors and athletes, and snake oil like elixirs stretch back to some of our earliest written records.
Those people who are saying things about Patinson are kind of stupid.He never said he is not working out for the role he just said he is not going to damage his body in my opinion.
@Nick Fletcher. I mean Batman is supposed to be the World's Greatest Detective, a man who sneaks around in the shadows and uses fear to control and detain criminals. Yes, he's trained and honed himself to be the peak of human condition, but it's only very recently that we even expected big, hulking muscles = peak male physicality. I mean there are monks at remote monasteries who practice wushu or other martial arts that can do crazy things - inhuman feats of strength, bending metal and breaking stone with their bare bodies, etc - even though they don't 'look like it' (aka have very defined 'gym muscles'). Maybe he wants to focus on a different side of Batman, which is absolutely up to him to decide how he wants to interpret the character. Or maybe y'know, he's just joking. Either way it's just a superhero movie, everything comes with a little suspension of disbelief to begin with.
The people attacking Robert are stupid, he literally just jokingly said that he won't become some muscle freak for the role, and he doesn't NEED to be. His batman is set in year 2 so a normally fit physique is enough. Acting skills are the most important part.
The fun part is - literally NOBODY wants to see an skinny batman. I don't want to, actually no of that batman actors in movies and tv had the physics to show that comics batman believeable just with rubber suits and stuff
@Tao Pai Pai But the essence of the story is, that batman trained his mind as his body to the absolute limits of human understanding.... You are not credible for this, with an average body
It's always surprising to watch old movies that star actors like Humphrey Bogart, who are phenomenal actors, very masculine, very captivating, but who could never be cast in a modern movie because they're not juiced-up meat heads. There is an unknown number of talented actors who aren't getting work because Hollywood executives now think to be a leading man you also have to be jerk off bait. Great video. And like you said, Hollywood commodifying the bodies of actors in this way creates a vicious cycle where audiences then think they need this unachievable body, don't achieve said body, and get down on themselves.
Funny thing is, to be a leading lady in those times most actresses had to be jerk off bait. Then Hollywood evolved, but instead of evolving in a way of "well, maybe not every leading lady has to look like a greek godess" they went "wouldn't it be great if all leading men looked like greek gods too?"
@@Despair505 exactly this. I see this argument a lot still 'well let's do this to men, too' - no, let's try not to force ideals like that on either gender OTL
That's why the rise of people like timothee chalamet as a leading man is a good thing, seen as desirable when he's the exact opposite of the superhero body
@@ryansmith-jr4gn he is already the lead in a big budget movie and I pray he doesn't end up having to bulk up unnaturally. I don't think he would be cast for those roles anyway.
Ehhh. I worry that as a society we might just be setting new beauty standards around people like Chalamet. The anatomy-diagram muscular look is often unachievable without unhealthy behaviours, but so is that kind of skinniness. His bone structure and general build is slight enough to make his look relatively achievable, and even then I'm sure he has to eat and exercise very carefully. Lots of people would have to starve themselves to look like that, and we've seen how unhealthy hyper-slender beauty standards can be for many women. The variety he represents is lovely to have, but the look wouldn't necessarily be a healthier or more "natural" goal for his fans, you know?
I find these transformations particularly awful when they're just for normal guy roles. For example, while I personally disagree with actors having to change their bodies to get a certain role, Chris Evans transforming for Captain America at least made sense in the context of the story (CA's body was literally enhanced by science), but when actors look like *that* and their role is just love interest, or boss, or teacher etc. it just does not make sense to me. Of course I'm not advocating for actors changing their body for every single role, as extreme fluctuations in weight can have terrible long-term consequences, but rather pointing out what a ridiculous standard that creates. Take the Riverdale cast for example, my mans Archie literally looks like a bar of chocolate and yet is supposed to be just some average, small-town 18yr old. I think we underestimate the impact media can have on us, bc while rationally we may be able to understand that that character is an actor who has masses of resources available to them to create the 'perfect' body, their standard still burrows its way deep into our psyche and is very hard to remove.
Because hot people sell. It's made so the teens who watch it develop crushes on the characters and keep supporting the show. They don't care about realism, they care to appealing to the public.
A love interest with an average body/slightly fat wouldn't sell sadly. It goes for both genders. We are visual animals and it's quite naive to say people can look past that as a whole
@@NaohMkS, Hollywood sets our beauty standards more than anything else. If the actors go through these transformations to conform to our beauty standards, that becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
It never used to be like this. Look at a pic of Sean Connery as James Bond in the 60s - he has a good body but he's definitely not jacked, and yet he was still considered to be a walking sex machine. That's what we need to get back to instead of this unhealthy and damaging representation of male and female bodies driven by Hollywood.
@@capitalcitygiant the unhealthy and damaging image of womens bodies was exactly the same from the 60s til now. Because back then everything was designed for the male gaze, they weren't targeting female audiences, even the male love interest was designed to look cool to men. But I guess today that area become a lot more equal in a toxic sense.
He is actually one of the few actors to openly admit in an interview that there was more to his transmations than just healthy eating and lots of working out though.
He was in American Psycho shape before Machinist though. While it was probably an augmented transformation, it’s not as insane as a total novice gaining that mass in that time.
Mark Ruffalo has the best training regime; put on a mo-cap suit and let the Special Effects Studio add the muscles in post-production. Robert Pattinson appears to be a top bloke.
Body image issues are extremely prevalent among young men as well, but very few are talking about it. Instead society is perpetuating it, especially some folks in the fitness industry. Sometimes it's just depressing seeing young people in the gym work their ass off for months and then quitting overnight when they don't immediately turn into The Rock. I wish I could just tell them the reality of it. It takes commitment and time. Lots of time. But you don't need PEDs to get there.
That would make a lot more sense if Merika didn't cry steroids more than any other country and apparently Cuba, Russia and China are the only ones using huh? Not like Lance Armstrong or the entire 1980 American Wrestling team or how the Bay Area Laboratory scandal is the biggest case of doping in the history of modern sports.....right? "In 2003, Wade Exum, the United States Olympic Committee (USOC) director of drug control administration from 1991 to 2000, gave copies of documents to Sports Illustrated which revealed that some 100 American athletes who failed drug tests and should have been prevented from competing in the Olympics were nevertheless cleared to compete; among those athletes were Carl Lewis, Joe DeLoach and Floyd Heard" Have fun reading, I didn't even mention the NFL or MLB. By any and every metric no country is using as much as Muh-rika. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_the_United_States
@@utkarsh2746 No country but Russia has stooped so low as to use their intelligence services to cheat at the Olympics. Russia owns that honor. Owns it forever.
@@justin1730 Right...do you have literally any piece of factual news to back that up? Somehow no country gets caught doping as much as Merika but there's a global conspiracy with shady governments and spies? The guy who risks losing the Nike sponsorship isn't cheating but some villager from a farm in Russia is?
@@justin1730 Victor Conte, founder of Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative, is the biggest name in Doping history for a reason. I know Americans don't like to read (Bill Burr says that too, remember?) but here you go: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Laboratory_Co-operative
And male body dysmorphia is almost completely ignored in the public eye simply because we're men. I grew up watching wrestling in the 80s and 90s and reading comic books. I'm never, ever going to shake the feeling that I am inferior, no matter how I look.
Don't think that you'll never gonna get over it. Thinking that you are capable of overcoming it is a big part on actually doing it! Not matter how you look like, you are valuable. I wish you the best.
Bro dont stress my arms and legs are shredded and my body is pear shape so ur prob better off then me I have an eating disorder I sweat in hot water in the bath 2 hours a day walk 6 hours I've lost 37 lb since Jan 1st
It annoys me when people claim so and so is doing steroids and are thus deemed as a hater. They are not hating the results. They are hating the user not claiming their use of steroids.
@Vincent S welll the thing is you actually are more deserving of what you achieved so you should feel proud that you didn’t end up cheating yourself and taking the short cuts.
If they want to use gear, that's their thing. The problem is them not admitting to it. If you want to have a physique like a tank with veins thicker than other ppl's necks, and are willing to compromise your long-term health for that, that's your choice. But stop bullshitting people by pretending this is possible with just "hard work and dedication", and thus making all the poor bastards actually putting in the hours in the gym despair as they wonder why even after 2 years of lfting their results are nowhere close to what their favorite star "achieved" after 3 months.
But here’s the thing. Most people don’t even train properly or just have average or shit genetics and then in turn project their shit results on someone else
@@Shvabicu Quite correct. Unless you are competing, taking drugs or not is not a moral issue - you do or you don't, why shouldn't one do? They are not "evil" aids. The problem, imho, is 100% on the health level: the side effects are there, are serious, and frequent enough that it is not simply a vague warning. Honestly, if it was not for the health risk, a lot of people - me included - would take drugs and get much easier results. I like gym, but i needed easily 10-15 years to barely come close in my best moment at those guys in the video. Barely, i always had either a bit of a pouch or much smaller muscles.
Interestingly, as someone that used to work in a pharmacy as a pharmacy assistant, we would have referred to HGH as a hormone but prednisone as a steroid. but most people in the general public would assume that a body builder accused of taking "steroids" meant they were taking growth enhancing substances
@@ianpearson8976 but it would help your body repair from a workout quicker, and thus enable you to make the bod transformation over a shorter period of time.
There's an interview with Chris Evans - I think on Ellen, where they have a shirtless pic of him. One of the women say 'THAT's what's under there?' and Chris says "No" but everyone laughing covers it up. I always think of that because it's clear he has to peak at a single shot for the movie and then relax to more realistic physique after filming's done.
Exactly, most people don't get that the majority of these actors don't walk around looking jacked 24/7 year round. They work up to that one shirtless shoot, where they dehydrate and pump up to look yoked for a few minutes. But you see them looking pretty normal day to day.
@@LastBastian yeah the one incident of "dehydration" for a scene I've heard talk of within the last year or so was how Henry Cavill dehydrated for 3 days so he could do the bathtub scene with the actress who plays Yennefer in The Witcher. Like 3 days. He could've died if he didn't drink any water/liquids in that period. It's honestly bonkers how intertwined the entertainment industry is to the weight loss/beefing up/diet culture industry when it is thought about in those terms. It is not a sustainable industry standard in any way shape or form.
@@skair5425 Yeah, I get that. It's still an unsustainable standard to maintain regardless of what professional arena it takes place in. It isn't healthy to do it in the long term. The health of the professional should be the main concern of the industry rather than, idk sports, the Undertaker?? being .05 lbs over the weight class.
My ex is an actor with a pretty regular slim not too buff physique. He had to get ripped for a 30 second shirtless scene, and for that had to embark on a ridiculous work out schedule. He ate only chicken breast and salad for months, and got a Trainer to get him shaped up with an absolutely insane routine (it seemed like that to me.). Needless to say, it payed off and he gained that Hollywood body, 8 pack and all. Once that scene was done and no more reshoots, he almost cried with relief when could eat cake. Didn't take long for him to look just as he did before. So that really taught me the lesson, that while it might look good, the pain is hardly worth it in normal life.
Yep and this is why I’m always very skeptical of the ‘natural’ guys that are 210 and very lean year round. Is it possible to maintain this? Yes but it’s a very miserable existence unless you are a genetic freak and/or taking PEDs
Zac Efron's Netflix series touches on this. He was so excited to eat carbs when filming in Italy and he mentioned how toxic the film industry is when it comes to diet and body image. It's really sad.
Saitamas work out plan actually works. I started doing it and after 2 months I was way leaner and had more muscle. I stoped doing it everyday though because I got injured.
Hey, thanks for the male body positivity. Despite kind words from even my significant other, I feel really pressured to be a huge monster man. Knowing that a lot of people take drugs for everything, including anti-inflammation reasons, made me really take a step back and analyze what I was idolizing. I don't feel as insecure anymore. I don't need to look like Arnold. It also really made me take a different stance on Pattinson's words. Maybe he was right
I realise it looks framed like it’s an altruistic act that champions men everywhere but unfortunately….. Pattinson’s full of s**t. It’s just more of the same. He took the money, worked out, but wants to cover his arse for if/when he doesn’t look as good on camera as he did in his early 20s when teenage girls had involuntary vaginal conniptions over his abs. Don’t believe me? Ok. Scarlett Johansen is doing the same thing. She’s getting older and now wants to pretend she had a huge problem playing sexy and provocative characters throughout her rise to stardom. It’s utter horse s**t that we’re being sold.
@@CursedWheelieBin even if those are their motivations, it doesn't mean their stances in these situations are wrong - it's still better to perpetuate the things less rather than more wherever possible, even if it's not the most significant thing
I feel like being the best version of your partner’s fantasy is the only goal that really matters lol And 99% of the time they’re happy with way smaller than Arnold
The dehydration part is actually accurate. That's what all bodybuilders do before a show. It makes their skin look super thin. It works with or without steroids.
I was a competitive pro swimmer for my county (completely natural, no drugs) and I can honestly say it’s rampant, you are fighting such an uphill battle trying to compete against steroid users
A reporter asked Tom Hardy if he took any "supplements" to get in shape for his role as Bane or for Warrior. Hardy said, "skittles". It was tongue in cheek and he was essentially saying "yes" I took PED's.
Great points in the video talking about where an actor started and how fast they got "jacked". It was touched on, but the studio have a vested interest in these actors looking as good as they can for their given roles. The studios hire trainers and nutritionists to help them. Many studios will hire "companions" as well to be with the actor to make sure they don't cheat or do something that will make them backslide. Studios have done that for years for actors who have drug and alcohol problems to make sure they don't go on a bender and mess up the filming schedule. Robert Downey Jr comes to mind. His companion made sure he stayed away from anything that would take away from his performance. I'm sure the studio also pays for "high colonics", massage and anything else the actor needs.
I've only been involved with lifting for about 10 years, and its been quite a while now that i've realized that the fitness industry is completely broken and, to an extent, dangerous to newcomers.
Red flag no. 4: age at which the transformation was achieved. It's one thing to do what Kumail did at 20, but at 43 that's almost completely impossible without help.
For Kumail, probably (as a lifelong sedentary guy). During my PT days I had clients in their early 40s who put on muscle very well. The big difference tended to be that they had an extensive athletic background but were transitioning away from what they were doing before (usually runners, or guys who played recreational football / basketball).
@@empalio5305 Nobody’s saying you can’t put on ANY muscle in your 40s. That would be a hyperbolic argument. What’s far less likely is suddenly developing huge bicep veins that look like cables, abdominals that look like bricks, all in a matter of weeks PLUS without retaining any adipose tissue whatsoever from the calories required to build that muscle in the first place. The guy used PEDs. I don’t care. Just be honest. It’s a tricky situation because we’re damned if we do, and damned if we don’t. If the truth stays hidden then many reasonable people think that’s achievable naturally, and if the truth is out then we’re recklessly encouraging the use of PEDs and that could lead to other problems of people abusing them.
@@xsageonexx7399 41? With that user name? But anyway, having a drastic change in physique is vague. It's very easy for an overweight person to lose that extra weight, compared to someone of a normal weight trying to become even slimmer. For example, I am 6'2, I was underweight a few years ago, 79kg. I've played rugby all my life but I was injured and lost too much weight. Now I'm 95kg (after hitting 105!), because my natural weight for my height/frame is around 90kg. So it was easy for me to gain that extra kg. But for me to get to 110+kg of muscle? I don't see it happening naturally. When I was 105 I had a big beer belly haha. But now that I've been training again, I shred that weight very quickly. Because 105 is overweight for me. I would suggest just joining a sport. Your teammates will push you further and you will commit yourself more. I've trained myself to absolute exhaustion, puking etc. Not that I think that's good, but it's what your team and coaches expect of you. I also feel amazing after training. Runners high is a real thing
The last part of this video makes me very very sad. I am a male who has gotten groped in public as a minor and an adult. When I oppose and make a deal out of it, that is just laughed off as "someone likes you...". When it comes to men, the society expects us to like sexual touches. We are not supposed to dislike such approaches. I just don't get it.
Can I recommend the channel "Pop Culture Detective" to you? They have so many good videos about masculinity, and they have a series about the double standards the media has for SA against men.
As a mother, I emphasize with you, as my son had likewise experienced all-too-frequent unwanted sexual aggression from females, prior to his coming up with a sure-fire phrase guaranteed to instantly rebuff the most aggressive of women: after a SINGLE polite assertion of non reciprocal interest he says, in a kind & genuine tone, "I'm sorry, I don't date DUDES."
And this is exactly why I love that Rob Mcelhenney is open and honest about the actual process. The irony is that in all the videos I've seen of him being honest there's a huge chunk of people hellbent that he's only being sarcastic and that achieving that type of body in that amount of time is doable. Great video, I've been wanting to write a book on male body dysmorphia and this got my creative juices flowing with ideas!
People want to believe the dream. Of course it's completely ridiculous to believe that Rob, a 43 year old man, suddenly got ripped like a superhero in 6 months to anyone who actually works out. But most people don't work out, so they're clueless
I don't know if I would say open and honest, he completely dodged the steroid comment in the intro clip. Then again, as far as actors go that is probably about as open and honest as you can reasonably expect them to be about their steroid usage.
@@Zzulu2 that's the irony, it's people claiming they work out so that's why they "know" it's doable, that getting in shape in that small amount of time is doable
body image issues in men is rampant. every male in my life has gone through or is currently going through some kind of gym muscle gaining routine. and unfortunately because, in contrast to women who are told to lose weight, going to the gym and working out seems much healthier. thus people just don't consider men being pushed to have an extremely muscular body type as a bad thing. Its hard to watch all these guys who have body dysmorphia bandaid their issues by diving head first into restrictive gym schedules and diets. it doesn't address core issues they have regarding self esteem and instead further contributes to high levels of stress they feel towards their own bodies.
It’s hard to spot when it becomes unhealthy because the act of working out, in and of itself, is great for your mental health in many ways. Sometimes underlying issues can be concealed like loneliness, unworthiness, and sometimes a need for attention. It does vary from person to person so I can’t stand when ignorant people paint ALL gym-goers with a broad brush. I think having clear, measurable and realistic goals tends to ground people and remind them why they’re in there. Keeps ‘em focused, and helps reduce any anxiety. Better to focus on “right m, I’m gonna lift this!” instead of “Christ, I look like an absolute muppet in here”.
Working out is good for you. It helps your mind and body. I've seen plenty of people who want to be huge start working out and quickly recalibrate to realistic goals and change their lives for the better.
@@MeanBeanComedy Accidental redirection toward a healthy lifestyle isn’t any justification for all the steroid-fueled Hollywood fantasies that got them there in the first place You’re applauding a smokescreen for corporations lying to earn millions from audiences’ fitness ignorance
@@hopelessfool6722 They're idiots, but they probably do work out. Part of the problem with the fitness industry is the idea that all you need to do to look good is put in the work. That's false, working out might make you look better, but plenty of people will still look pretty bad.
@@La0bouchere I think the more pervasive myth is that working out is the way to get the body you want. Diet is much more in control of your actual body composition. You could work out not at all but if you eat the right kind of diet you can look athletic.
Yeah they're just nerds who think their love for superhero shit is a personality trait. Can't look at the bigger picture if it impinges in any way on their worldview
It’s sad but these suicides are not because of body image. We live in a heartless society in which young men are economic tools. There is no solution. Society is dead.
As a female with muscles, I'm not sure how similar my experience is to men, but to gain muscle healthily takes time. Doing it quickly is not a good idea. It could damage your body in the long run and I think health is more important than aesthetics.
Preach. It’s definitely easier for men simply due to genetics but in any case, if you gain muscle too quickly, your bones and joints can’t keep up. This is why a lot of steroid users end up getting horribly injured. Just because your chest can put up 315 doesn’t mean your bones can handle that weight if you used steroids and put the muscle on too quickly.
@@jmorgan3977 I don't know how else to explain it because I'm not a body builder either. I kinda like not being too bulky 😭😆 so woman with muscles it is
@@josephbrennan370 Yes, that’s all nice and cute . But, why does that make someone worthy of respect? I guess I have to spell it out 🤦♂️ Firstly - If all it takes to get your precious “respect” (whatever that even is) is for someone to be honest, then it’s not really worth worth much, is it? Furthermore - there’s a big difference to Arnold admitting using steroids back when nobody knew or cared what they were, versus someone in the public eye in 2021 who is claiming to have achieved a superhero level physique naturally, who’s entire career hinges on it. Lastly - Arnold bulls**tted the media when he “admitted” to steroids. He tried to play dumb and said they were new, he didn’t know what they were, yet also claimed he did it under doctor supervision. He politically manoeuvred his way out of the question, and that was almost 20 years ago. He’s used them every time he’s done a movie throughout his life. It drives me nuts how people just convince themselves of these convenient “truths” like they’re hypnotised. I’ve enjoyed his films and have nothing against him but I can clearly see he’s lying.
@@CursedWheelieBin what a sad and angry man you are. I hope things get better for you. I still stand by what I said. I would rather have a world where people tell the truth and admit their mistakes than one where people lie all the time.
You talked about Hugh Jackman and the "not drinking water for 36 hours problem" in Wolverine but it's even worse in Les Miserables. Poor guy was singing, the damages he could have done to his voice could have left him unable to talk for life. he goes shirtless for less than 10 seconds on the entire movie !
Really the biggest problem in that film was singing live to begin with. Should have dubbed it over like movies musicals are normally. But yeah given that they were singing at full voice live, there's no reason he should have ever tried that.
@@bighands69 "The film's vocals were recorded live on set using live piano accompaniments played through earpieces as a guide, with the orchestral accompaniment recorded in post-production, rather than the traditional method where the film's musical soundtracks are usually pre-recorded and played back on set to which actors lip-sync. "
Parallel Universe Chris Evans: “I was deeply inspired by method actors who gave it their all in order to become their characters, so I sought out the brightest PED experts in the country and asked them to create a Captain America serum for me. Those PEDs really helped me become Captain America physically as well as mentally. My current motto? ‘I can do this all day’ 😁”
I sent this video to my personal trainer (don't get excited. I'm a doughy, middle-aged lady with some expendable income trying to avoid cholesterol meds). Sparked a really amazing conversation. Keep up the excellent work!
Are you worried about becoming pre-diabetic? Look up Dr. Jason Fung here on UA-cam some time, his research on fasting/low-carb diets is doing absolute wonders for the average person’s anti-diabetic health regimens
The actors are definitely overselling their workout plans, but also celebrity trainers are essentially baby sitters. They're paid to fill the star's day with activity so that the star doesn't resort to any high risk impulsive activity. Or any creative activity that would give them a negotiating edge against the studio, like "Sure, Hugh would love to play Wolverine in the third movie of the franchise that you promoted as a trilogy, but he's busy producing/starring in/directing an indie film, so you're going to have to work around his schedule or pay him more money."
I really loved this video! Organised, concise, I can tell you're very knowledgable. And more importantly I love men and women coming together to gripe about insane/impossible body standards that apply to EVERYONE. It feels powerful to have men and women (and everyone in between) talking about this issue 💗
As a woman who’s HAD eating disorder issues, I’m so happy you’re talking about this! Unrealistic standards may impact genders differently, but the impact is unhealthy and important to point out. Excellent video, thanks for the education and insight.
@Overlord 3108 I’d say you’d have to read into that pretty hard but regardless, her point is not that you NEED to develop an eating disorder to achieve a certain body type, but these often go hand in hand, as the pressure to look a certain way can have drastic psychological effects on your relationship with food. I’m not interested in oppression olympics so if you want to play The Who has it worse game, I’m sure there are plenty of cringe SJW channels you’d be better suited for.
@Overlord 3108 Except that is not her point either. When we say unrealistic we don't necessarily mean the body type itself but the other factors including body shape, time it takes to get there, etc. Thigh gaps were all the rage a while back even though they are physically impossible for some women due to body type. What exactly is your point and why are you intending to make it?
@Overlord 3108 not at all. Body type and body shape actually mean two different things. I can’t believe I have to explain this to you. You understand the time frames are important right? Many of these men CAN achieve these looks naturally, it’s about the time they are given which often results in drug use. When we discuss unrealistic body expectations, it is not just in reference to the bodies themselves. The point of the thigh gap was that it was attempts by women trying to achieve something they couldn’t possibly do. Again my question is what is the point of your comment? What point are you trying to make and why?
I'm reminded of Endgame, in which Thor gets fat and depressed, but is still worthy of Mjolnir. The message was suprisingly good, although undermined by the comedy of "superhero fat lol".
I still feel like the joke was fat thor nonetheless, and he had the axe not Mijonir, iirc. Witch sucks, not a lot of people have the money or the time to get in "Thor shape" But they made joke based on a body type that is very common.
Yeah, the scene with his mother was really good, but as a fat guy myself I HATED how the film handled him overall and made his being fat a constant joke.
As a Scandinavian you just reminded me of how offended I got that they could make something from our culture a fat fortnite playing loser but wouldn't even touch the idea of joking about the African culture inspired wakanda superheroes.
@@mocotojam6767 In Endgame, Thor had both Stormbreaker and Mjolnir. He traveled back in time to Asgard and called Mjolnir to him, and was overjoyed when it answered his call. In spite of his failures, depression, and shape, he was still worthy to wield the hammer. That's a good message to send. What wasn't a good message to send was that Thor deserved to be mocked by all his friends for gaining weight after losing his father, his iconic weapon, his home, his brother, half his people, and then half the universe, all in the course of less than a week.
I can't help but hope the next James Bond just has a "normal" healthy, reasonably fit body, like all the Bonds before Craig. Wit, courage and grit made Bond admirable, not the unrealistically jacked physique.
I was watching Dr No and thought Connery and Andress would not be cast today. Both look healthy in the piece-but not ripped beyond belief. Casting wouldn't have it.
Doubt it. Although I'd love to see a female James Bond. Just to see if/how they could pull it off. It would make for some great analysis on gender roles, sexuality, etc.
@@cooluser23 If they make James Bond a woman, it is no longer James Bond. It would interesting to see how they do it but the series would flop imo. People need to stop rewriting fictional characters to push a political ideology.
Have you ever watched a James Bond movie? Have you not seen the way Sean Conery or Roger Moore looked like when they were playing Bond? They looked like normal men but in the tux man.
I use headphones, so my brother must just see me looking at muscular attractive males.
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@@MacabreStorytelling Lol
Haha your comment gave me a giggle.
@@TheLadyDelirium My pleasure.
Don't act like that's not in fact what you're doing😉
If Chris Evans didn't take supplements to get in shape than he would be betraying everything Captain America is.
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Super Soldier Serum is a PED confirmed
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@@PikaBolaChan Steve Rogers got buff because he said YES to drugs.
That bloke who said, "Robert Pattinson and Bruce Wayne are completely different entities," is going to be so embarrassed when he finds out what an actor is.
"He is a fictional character" 😂
i would say,
if ur a crime fighting vigilante, i think u just need some training/knowledge to fight,
@@nicmagtaan1132 Especially Batman who uses stealth, smarts, gadgets to his advantage. Would love to see Batman outwit his opponents instead of just outbrawl them.
@@MacabreStorytelling Who said that quote??
It's a drawing lol
”There should be an olympics where athletes can take as many drugs as they want. Like fuck it, let's see how high humans can really jump!”
1 year after such announcement, we will see mutant athletes.
The results are in...they are...the same as last Olympics. 😆
@@FloorFerret except the countries that don't have access to cutting edge PEDs would do a lot better.
They should ask Eddie Guerrero, Randy Savage and Chris Benoit how that worked for them. Oh, I forgot THEY ARE ALL DEAD
@@shannamac3974 those are top real athletes!!
It’s like Goku told Vegeta, “if you think torturing yourself is the same as training you got it all wrong”
@Mayonnaise Eye he said it after him and gohan left the hyperbolic time chamber before their year was up and vegeta said goku couldn’t handle the whole year and that’s when he said it
@Dale Macarena bulma**
Except that literally does work for Saiyans in the DBZ universe lol
@@sissyphussartre2907 not according to whis and goku lol
@Drake Barnes yep
I love seeing someone talk about men issues in a productive way instead of just using our problems as a cheap way to shut down someone trying to talk about female issues. This is the type of conversation we must have more often.
Basically this! The standards of masculinity imposed to men are equally damaging to their self perception and mental health as they are for women. Any intersectional feminism analysis recognises this and it should recognise that
@@bimbowithadegree420 And yet, many intersections femenist analysis still puts it as secondary. Women's issues should not be shut down, but it's not a minor issue in feminism. Musandry is massive in the movement, and too often defended by femenist the way misogyny is defended by gamers.
@@mycaleb8 I can't really speak for all feminists and for the misandry in the movement, I think its however important to understand that mainstream feminism is not intersectional feminism based on a q***r analysis of gender; its instead liberal feminism co opting the aesthetics of intersectionality while really just focusing on the struggles of white middle class and upper class women (what I mean by mainstream is the buzzfeed type, pop feminism and the major liberal institutions) and that has been an issue within feminist movements from the get go (back in the suffrage stage, black women were often left out of feminist spaces and working class women as well, for example).
This is why we should understand that first and foremost feminism is a theoretical lense, and that there isn't a single feminism, there's feminisms. Each branch varied and taking its own approach, however to me what is more convincing and more prepared to deal with gender systems and concern itself with everyone who it harms, is intersectional feminism based on a qu**r lense. This is because it looks at how we have constructed gender roles and expectations and how it has harmed everyone involved even if in different ways, or if originally meant to aid them. It looks at the way men are seen as less than men if they are raped and often are ridiculed and not taken seriously when it does happen; but it also looks at how women are often targets of harassment at work and the constant enlargement of their bodily rights. It looks at how gay men are ridiculed for being less as not living up to masculinity since they are associated with the feminine; but also how lesbian women are seen as lesser women because they are not often interested or attracted to pursuing ideals of feminity; it also validates trans struggles by understanding how much of what we are expected to do within society- ie the definition of gender- are socially and narrowly constructed standards.
It cares about everyone, it understands the need to make gender constructions something that helps everyone.
I am not gonna tell you there aren't issues with the modern mainstream feminist movement, coming from a leftist lense- yes there are, but where I am coming from I can't answer for that, what I can do, and what I have seen happen more in the last two years, is push back from this status quo, neo liberal form of feminist activism and advocacy, to a model that more closely aligns with my values 😀 I would recommend you look into Judith Butler and other qu**r feminist theorists they helped me imensly undertand all I do now 😀
@@bimbowithadegree420 I'm actually aware of Judith and other actually progressive femenist, and while less comedically hypocritical, but I have issues with it as well. That being said, I really appreciate and respect your attitude and perspective on the issue.
Both males and females have the same problem and both should be talked about equally I'm a feminist btw but I find it annoying when someone shuts someone down when they have a problem that should be talked about
It bothers me so much that a guy can train for years naturally and build a physique that's better than 99% of men and still get told they're "only ok" because Hollywood has built such an unreasonable expectation of what being in shape looks like. The actors themselves don't even look like that 24/7. Also forgot to mention that the movie gives them the perfect lighting and shadow, anyone in bodybuilding knows how much of a difference down lighting can make
Have you asked yourself why it bothers you though?
Did you invest in this image not realising it was unachievable?
It used to bother me too. Less so now that I’ve had ample time to come to terms with the fact that we’re not gonna look like these people or the UA-cam fitness types unless you go to unreasonable lengths to achieve or maintain a certain look, and none of it makes you any happier.
I’d rather enjoy the journey and maintain a good physique that paints the picture of someone who’s mentally healthy in addition to being physically fit.
Pulsating and disproportional biceps, giant flared lats, and a sleazy fake tan make a man look like an emotionally damaged, neurotic mess who cares way too much of how he’s perceived. They usually attract toxic women who suffer from the same issues.
@@CursedWheelieBin same here dude, I was chasing f1 cars while driving a pretty good sedan. I got to a point where I just rather be strong than look like that and ended up looking very good instead of chasing unrealistic goals (naturally).
Looks will follow performance before performance follows looks.
"Better than 99% of men"? Wow. Better based on what?
there all on drugs
the bar is unreasonably high, I've heard guys with 6 pack abs getting told they're "ok" because to many you need to be absolutely jacked with dangerously low body fat and be so dehydrated you're ready to pass out to qualify as "shredded". I'm not super fit since i dont cut but i still spend around 10-15 hours a week at the gym and get called "average" or even "kind of small" even though I'm 6ft and 190lb.
Pattinson absolutely nailed his role as Batman. Its really ashamed people are judging the book by its cover
fr good on him for not permanently changing his body physiology just to satisfy people who will go see a movie once and forget about it next week
The level of anger directed at him was completely insane!
They're pi**ed off because he doesn't look like a literal cartoon. SMH.
Batman being a swole unit always baffled me, he does Batman things during the night, he does Bruce Wayne things during the day. Where is the time to pump iron for hours and recover?
Sure he'd be fit and strong, but not double sided fridge big.
Pattinsons Batman was great in all the ways.
I was actually very disappointed but not surprised by the "men's rights" types that immediately attacked him for not perpetuating the body image issues.
Speaking of, since Batman wears a non-revealing suit there really isn’t a reason for actors to get “shredded” to play Batman (unless there’s some shirtless scene).
It’s not that some of these physiques aren’t naturally possible, it’s that it’s not naturally possible to have these physiques in such a short amount of time
Yeah that's always my reply. A lot of these bodies are totally achievable naturally, but doing it in 8-12 months is the dead giveaway of PED usage
Especially when you are over the age of 40, kumail looks good but there is no way in hell he's natural...
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Twitter: Wait, so it wasn't racism but actually logically sound criticism? W-... Buh.... YOU'RE RACIST
@@squeaky1963 there's a good chance Kumail used steroids. But there's a good chance half these superheroes used steroids toom Chris Hemsworth keeps loosing and gaining bulk for movies, Hugh Jackman's wolverine transformation was unreal, there's no way Chris Evans doesn't use for Cap America. But none of them are ever accused of it. That's the racist part.
@@radmoonable You do realize everyone of the people you have said has been accused of using steroids. The real reason kumail's case is getting this much attention is because Twitter automatically branded it as racism and got the mob going
When actors say they could smell water because they were so dehydrated for a scene, like a sexy bath scene (Henry Cavill for The Witcher), that’s demonstrative of the problem.
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*For real.*
This is so true!
Why is that a problem though? An actor is volunteering himself for the movie, it’s not like he’s being forced to undergo this process.
@Ararune you can die or couse organ damage. It is espeially dangerous when done with dieretics. It is a comon practice among bodybuilders at competition and it sure make you look way better. But still potentialy deadly.
@Ararune ah got you!
I swear to god (no offense to body builders, I admire their conviction), at a certain point muscles just start looking like tumors
Exactly. That's why I don't get the Mr Universe competition, men with those physiques do not look appealing at all.
It's gagworthy
Bodybuilding is not about appealing to the masses it’s about building the freakiest and most aesthetic muscular look possible. Also only genetic freaks with insane work ethic (and steroids) can look like that. Most bodybuilder don’t look like freaky mass monsters.
Well thats not the point, if you know anything about bodybuilding shows they grade them on proportion size and other things if a guy just showed up with a huge massive pair of biceps that look like tumors he would get last place the whole point of the sport is how prefect can you mold your body keeping track of certain things like making sure your arms arent too big or chest isnt too big and how shredded you are. You are literally crafting your body like sculpture. And these people you have to admire their dedication they know what they are doing and do it for the sport proving they are the best.
Body builders don't look like that "for the ladies" so to speak, it's nothing sexuality-oriented so I don't think they care if people don't find them attractive.
BUT YES, to me, once the fat starts to dwindle, the body becomes more and more unappealing. I could totally drool all over Strong Man competitors and actors like Adam Driver(he's the only actor under Disney whom I've seen having fat on his body in recent times, he looks healthy and muscular, that's HOT), but body builders and muscular people with low fat percentages on their body just look like ugly, skinned anatomy models to me.
Once the tiddy fat is gone, I'm out lol
Chris Evans mentioned in an interview that when they shoot the Marvel movies, they do all the beauty shots, like when they're shirtless, and the helicopter biceps scene from Winter Soldier, very early on during filming, because the actors have a hard time staying huge with the heavy film schedule.
Thats True. They also get into a hardcore dehydration process for these particular scenes
...And they make sure to get a pump going
@MR SLASHER they still have to work out like it's a job.
Staying huge isn't hard. Staying lean is
for some scenes they also have to seriously dehydrate themselves in addition to staying fit and cutting all fat off to get that shredded look. Look up candid photos after shooting and their abs and pecs mostly disappear along with the shredded muscles because it's completely unsustainable. Hugh Jackman once said he needed to spend a couple days preparing for shirtless scenes to dehydrate himself for that cut look, then he'd be so weak and burned out he'd need time after to recover and that's all outside of staying totally fit and eating healthy. Some stars seem to yo-yo 10, 20 pounds or even more up and down between films.
Adam Driver got his "wide body" in Star Wars turned into a damn meme, because he wasn't "cut". I can't even imagine how that fu*ckd with his head.
Meanwhile he’s an absolute sexy beefcake.
He naturally has no waist. He’s “barrel chested”. His rib cage doesn’t taper at the bottom, I think it even flares out, which was a popular and attractive body type in the early 20th century IMO. Men use to try to “expand”their ribcages with certain exercises and stretches. I think it’s because it’s the opposite of most womens ribcages. My point is he has an unusual skeleton shape in general, and would like that even if he were ripped. The first I thought when I saw him is that he has really odd skeletal proportions, which is a weird thought, but somehow almost everyone else thought so to. I never thought he needed to be leaner. Some people might find him extremely attractive and that’s subjective.
It didn't help that his pants went all the way up above his belly button, or that the camera angle made his head look small compared to his body.
Adam Driver can get it six ways to Sunday tho, so fuck the haters.
There are scenes from that show girls he did where he was shirtless and wearing lower rise pants and he actually has a really nice body. Star Wars did him dirty smh
Your Google search history be like: Shirtless photo of (name of actor)
Man with pants
@@mauigio but no shirt
@@noivern666 onlypants
Username explains how you know that
That ain't illegal FBI, give a man a break.
Friendship ended with "on steroids".
Now "utilizing Performance Enhancing Drugs" is my best friend.
This is a pakistani meme🤣
@@usmanazam449 more like six pakistani
@@britneyspheres7yearsago11 i don't understand? Can you please elaborate?
@@britneyspheres7yearsago11 this thread was more educational than the Xbox Education Institution
@@usmanazam449 like six pack lol
Im an older male, I started taking a prescribed T supplement, having been previously at 12% body fat in my 20s and even 30s. I went from 28% to 14% in 5 months. I started working out pretty hard again like I had 15 years ago. Its been good, but telling lies about how this happens is bad for image. When people ask I tell them straight up I take testosterone and supplements.
I do the same thing... call it like it is
@@JohnWayne-ec1gi The doctor told me just ten years ago, he would have been prescribing only 50+ year olds. He says with the way the supplement birds and fish before slaughter, and how bad plastics are, he is seeing young adult males with similar levels of T to a 65 year old man. He says its going to lead to heart issues, immune system problems, skin disorders, all kinds of shit.
You don’t know what these actors are taking though.
Comparing your results with theirs just muddies the waters even more
@@CursedWheelieBin thats true but I do know baseline at my age, as well as trt.
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What I heard was that Robert Pattinson wouldn't be working out for the role, like not doing anything. Then I found out that he was actually doing a fitness routine, he just wasn't going crazy like other movie stars. I thought, "What's the big deal? He's functionally fit! That's what Batman is supposed to be anyway!"
Wrong... apparently.
Adam west was very functionally fit.
@@pacchioni985 But that depends on how he is portrayed. Batman is a trained ninja, so despite his smaller build he can still one up his foes by using stealth, gadgetry, etc. It really all depends on how the character is portrayed but we cannot judge this until the film is released.
@@pacchioni985 Batman is a martial artist and has many disciplines, so quote on quote, "ninja batman" would be able to beat the living day lights out of anyone not due to his muscles or gadgets but more on him knowing and being trained to know what to do in a fight. Sure his muscles and gadgets help but that isn't all, plus big bulky batman would make him slower at striking and what not and easily get tired
@@pacchioni985 depends really, "Batman: Earth One" which seems to have inspired the movie a lot contains a muscular but "realistic" Male body, Bruce Wayne has an average height and is fit but not Stalone Rambo muscular, still he kicks ass and it's one of the best batman comics I read in my opinion, Extra buff 6'3 Batman is an interpretation amongs others.
People forget actors are actors and not actual heroes.
There's this great channel called more plates more dates on which the guy does these scientific natty or not breakdowns. The running joke on the channel is whenever the actors are asked how they got so ripped they ALL say the EXACT same thing "Worked out 6 hours a day and ate nothing but *chicken and broccoli*. Chicken and broccoli became a synonym for steroids.
Chicken and Broccoli but they fail to mention the Capri Sun they're sippin on
Derek! Always breaks it down. Best youtuber gear info out there.
I love that channel!
@@chrismiddendorf8919 Yeah, that's the guy :)
I've laughed my ass off for years about the chicken and broccoli. Laugh even harder at idiots who thinks they go through these dramatic body transformations naturally. People watch to much TV nowdays, dont know how the real world works anymore
I remember Henry Cavill talking about how he managed to loook so massive in the bath scenes for The Witcher. God it must be hell, being dehydrated so much only for a 10 second shot...
I remember what Robert Pattinson said “I have abs like a month out of the year and that’s it”.
It's hearing stuff like this that reminds me of Chris Hemsworth pushing for Thor having the fatsuit in Endgame and how he was probably so relieved that he didn't have to maintain his insane physique as much.
I remember hearing he also protested the shirtless scene in Ragnorok.
Also originally they were going to have him go right back to ripped at the end of the film after he powered up.
Hemsworth protested that, probably because it would completely disconnect audiences from the character.
I really love how Thor was portrayed in Endgame ("I'm still worthy"), even if there were a bit too many jokes thrown his way.
Tbh, Thor is not a human, so he can have strange body type, but i think that Thor being fat isn't a terrible idea, since strongmen often are quite heavy, since to power and maintain lots of muscles, you need lots of easily accessible energy. (and in myths, Thor was quite a voracious eater if my memory isn't wrong)
I think if the character wasn't play just for laughs while everyone was showed with more vulnerability it would have worked better for the public. But since Ragnarok he's became a comedy character so it was up to keep the tone i guess 🤷♀️
@@Alex-cq1zr If he was just godly ripped because of his godliness, how would he get fat in the first place?
There's an interview with Henry Cavill where he talks about barely having any fluids for three days before a shirtless scene in The Witcher. Madness.
its quite common in kpop for female idols to drink lots of water for two weeks and not drink water or eati salty food for a few days before a comeback/music video
@@dubudubudan same for male idols, all those "abs reveal" videos are basically the members being really dehydrated while performing complex choreo on stage.
There's a reason body builders dehydrate themselves before shows.. smash diaheretics.. can actually shift a decent amount of fat in a couple of weeks and a lot of water in 2 days to make Urself much more ripped.. sustaining day to day on the dehydration front, effectively impossible
Wasn't it him that said at some point he was so desperate for water he could practically smell water when it was in the room?
Hugh Jackman said he had to be dehydrated on camera as wolverine to give him as toned a look as possible
This really trickles down beyond Hollywood, too. I’m a woman, but I lift and I’m friends with a lot of guys who do. Nearly all of them have told me they have been tempted to use, and all of them know at least a couple guys who do. One of my friends started and quit. He knows a guy in his twenties who has to see a doctor weekly because his liver is so screwed up from all the stuff he uses. The effect of what’s happening in Hollywood is so clear to see; when you’re at the gym and you see guys who use, or guys talking about how they work out three times a day, or guys eating a thousand calories below maintenance for a cut, you know it’s a problem. It’s crazy how it’s been accepted as part of the fitness industry, even for average people
If youre older than 20, you do what you want, no excuses and blaming
I highly doubt that there exists a guy who's been working out for more than a few years that knows anything at all about peds, that hasn't considered it at some point.
Yeah the problem is hollywood lies about it. If the actors just said "yeah, the part called for the physique to be very defined and large so i did a cycle of prescribed steroids under the supervision of a doctor, but I wouldn't recommend that for everyone or for long term use".
Instead, we're made to think it's just pure training and chicken/broccoli and then wonder why we can't gain 20lbs of muscle in 2 months like Mark Wahlberg did.
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As soon as I heard they mess up your junk, I knew I’d remain a lifelong natural lmao
No exceptions
@@corpsefoot758 Doesn't this comment prove that there was some point when you considered it?
Actor: "Actors are presured into body transformations and I won't do that."
The public: "Tries to pressure the actor into body transformation."
Congratulations. You are the point.
Why don't they pick actors who are naturally big
@@investingwithbrian6196 its easier to train someone to get bigger than it is for them to train someone to be a better actor in terms of routine.
@@investingwithbrian6196 There are very few people naturally that big.
@@jdamsel8212 I'm sure there's tons of actors that are. Acting is so oversaturated. To claim its rare is not being genuine. There's so much supply of actors. There's probably many big guys who want to act
While I totally get Pattinson's point, part of me feels like hes posturing a bit and using it as an excuse somewhat. He comes off as a guy with a fuck you mentality and doesnt at all seem like the gym type. So I'm sure the last thing he wants to do is lift weights. Lol
Funny enough that Captain America is a prime example of an actor using PED when the character himself has PEDs as his only super power
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So, it’s cannon. Neat.
Captain America was not PED's.
Captain America went through a procedure that actually transformed his body into something new.
PEDs do not transform the body into something new they push the existing body to behave in a certain way and once the PED's are stopped the horrible fun can begin.
@@bighands69 Are you suggesting that super soldier serum is not a performance enhancing serum...?
Don't forget his indomitable spirit
Those “men” youtubers at the end attacking Robert make me sick. They expect someone to destroy their bodies for a movie, meanwhile they all look like mr. potato head.
Not Mr potato headddd XDDD lol what did he ever do to you?? don't disrespect him like that.
The neckbeards might need to pick up a f'ing dumbbell, sh'it, I need to pick up a f'ing dumbbell.
Yeah, that part with the guy who looked like a stapler salesman ranting about how he needs to lift was insane.
I'll be the first to say that sure, I think Batman should be in shape, but at the same time, getting that worked up over it is absolutely crazy if you're a grown man.
They are absolute pieces of shit. The way they talked about, not just Robert Pattinson's body and reasons for not working himself into the ground, but about other actors who have done body transformations, reveals a gross entitlement to another human's body.
I'll have to agree on that.
Thank you. This was excellent. I was anorexic at a young age because all the media said women had to be skinny as lamp posts and in my 20s watching my also very very skinny boyfriend go the exact opposite direction into beefing up and turning into a monster made me very angry that men don't get as much or any attention for how damaging media and cultural expectations can be for them as well.
I hope more people start questioning this ridiculous idea that jacked or swole or whatever is the only way to be a man.
There’s nothing wrong with coming out of being malnourished and skinny to a big muscle guy??? It’s healthy and as long as he’s not harming himself to get there I’d say that’s a positive influence on him from the media
Since when has the media wanted women to be skinny. I was born in the 90s and it was J.Lo, Beyonce, Salma Hayek, Shakira, Scarlett Johansson. Now it's Kim Kardashian and Nicki Minaj.
Nah, you gotta be jacked as a man. At least as jacked and shredded as possible while being healthy. It's your duty as a man.
They don't get as much attention probably because it all started 20 or so year later. Heroin chic started in the 90s. I wonder if men would have their own body positive movement in 10-20 years.
@@adequatename2311 all those women are skinny/slim/thin or any term you want to use, they got "curves in the right places", give the same # of examples celebs that are considered very attractive women with a with a big belly. Yumi Nu appeared in sport illustrated and her beauty went into question right away
Christian Bale and Jared Leto are the only two that I believe can do these body transformations "naturally", and that is solely because they are both literally insane.
Imagine a DC movie with Christian bale Batman and Jared Leto joker
Insane means they would do anything to get there. Like being in character outside of filming. Or take enhancers to get in shape .
They may be insane but the body is not
Bale looked like he just put on weight, and he was ripped in American psycho
Most of the transformations aren't even that crazy for someone dedicated
My father in his fifties looks like some of these leading men. To specify, I mean the leaner ones like the shot of Jared Padalecki. He doesn't take steroids. But, he does have a strick excercise and diet regimen that he has stuck to for about 35 years.
He has panic attacks when he has to give up going to the gym for family events. When he had cancer his only concern was getting healthy enough to have enough immune system to go back to the gym. He beat the cancer eventually. But now he lives at gym, making desperate efforts to get back the bulk he lost due to chemo.
He grew up watching leading men with those physiques and I think it's messed him up a bit. It breaks my heart. I grew up with him telling me I don't have to look like a super model to be beautiful inside and out. But I have never been able to convince him of the same.
Thank you for making this.
@Alright Alright Alright I cannot even begin to explain how disgusting that comment is. My dad has no immune system left because of the chemo. Did you miss the part about the cancer? He is going to the gym 5 days a week, during covid, and from which he caught the damn swine flu 6th months ago. It almost killed him and he is still recovering from the damage that did. And what did he do? Went right back the the gym the moment he was strong enough to walk again. The world does not revolve around beauty standards. And it's not ok to advocate for someone to literally risk his life in search of them. You are part of the problem.
@Alright Alright Alright wow imagine being this insensitive towards a son being dead worried about the mental state of his father who just barely recovered from cancer and still risks his life only to look good but being this sensitive just for being called out for it
Maybe that's why he told you that you dont have to be a super model. Because he knows that he feels that way and knows the effect it can have on you.
@@IamJigle I have had that thought a few times. I wish I could instill in him the same body positivity he has given me.
@Alright Alright Alright So, that's why you deleted your comment...?
As a man who suffered body dysmorphia and anorexia in his teens, I can say that I was absolutely negatively impacted by the image of male physical perfection propagated by hollywood. Its great to see a video that raises awareness about this issue. Especially in such a nuanced way.
@@793Force *very well said!!* Keep on pushing bro. You’ll reach your goals, cos unlike tom driver you sound like a go getter who makes shit happen for himself, rather than blame outward influences for why he isnt where he wants to be. Keep it up, brother!
While i do understand that media beauty standards can take a toll on the mind and make a person feel a type of way if they dont particularly fit into that standard, (i know cos i was one of them. I was borderline annorexic too) i also believe a person can achieve anything they want so long as they are willing to just try, put the work in and focus more on where they want to be rather than focusing on the effect of outward influences. You are the captain of your own ship, and the master of your own fate! You can 100% get whatever body you want so long as you discipline yourself and put in the work and effort towards it. And then the media beauty standards or whatever wont bother you one bit. Because you’ll look exactly how you want to look and will be proud of it cos you worked your ass off to get there.
I'm so sorry about these replies and I hope you've recovered from your eating disorder. These guys in the replies obviously watched the video on mute because they completely missed the point. I'm not a guy but if the beauty standards are anything like they are for women, I know it can be VERY damaging.
@@793Force that may be true for you, but media affects different people differently. Im not saying we should censor any kind of media, im just saying our beauty standards have the potential to cause damage. Im glad they didnt have that affect on you :)
@@spreadingthedrewth4643 gets better every day. I appreciate your empathy, really I do
@@793Force I'm sorry but comments like these don't really help even if you mean good.
I love Robert Patterson. He’s awesome. I loved he was never insanely buff as Edward too. I’m glad he’s refusing to do for Batman too. I thought he was ugly in twilight but now I know I just hate the way they styled and overly edited him.
He got pretty big for Batman. Especially for his body type.
@@adamrice7633 yeah but he did it naturally
Pattinson isn't super buff but I love how strong he feels in the new Batman movie, those elbows and punches are something else
@@rdablock Most people have never been hit like that or thrown a solid punch in their life so none of them have a real sense for the physicality of it.
Patterson IS super buff, he's just natural
Disney: Our actors must never admit to using PEDs
Also Disney: Here is a character that was literally created by PEDs
Captain America? That character is not about a jacked up body but of super strength and physical capabilities...so that's okayyy!!!
@Rei Ren I know that, point is stop shaming Captain America there is nothing wrong with that character not like people gonna get influenced by it
Here’s how I see it - actors and actresses can be easily replaced now. If you don’t look the part, someone else will. It’s terrifying to never feel safe.
Boom
I hate that what you said legit scared and terrified me, im not even an actor
You are correct and this is why this situation cannot be fixed or remedied in a satisfactory way. Just look at beautiful women in the industry. They are the big thing when they are in their 20s but as soon as they hit their 30s they start losing roles. In most cases, these women still look great but they are competing against a horde of younger, hotter women. These older women either go to extreme lengths (bad physical surgery) to keep roles or they just suck it up and realize the reality if the situation .. same goes for the men.. it’s definitely a business I’d want no part of
Same for athletes. If you don’t take PED’s, someone else will and be better than you.
Not really... Nepotism is in all time high now. They can be the worst actors every but if they have or had someone close famous in the industry they can easily get a job. They have private auditions, get callbacks 3-4 times and hell event the scripts are changed for them... making another role just for them. Making movies became family business now.
I'm totally okay with Olympian style bodies being seen as ideals in films and other media, even as prerequisites for certain roles. There's a reason we innately value them. Despite this, its the lack of openness and dialogue about the realities of obtaining such bodies that reinforce unrealistic standards and engender a toxic discourse around the subject. You can't have your cake and eat it (unless you're bulking of course)
Exactly. As long as the public has a realistic assessment of what it takes to achieve that body, namely substance use and not just hard work and broccoli, that will lead to this convo becoming more nuanced.
The thing is Olympic bodies are different too, depending on the sports and even have variations within one sport.
I'd go as far as to say that bodybuilding is in many ways similar to "proana" for women.
I think it's a concern when actors are supposed to be playing average dudes and not superheroes or secret agents and are still ripped as hell. Not saying it's impossible but if you take say, Eddie Brock in Venom, who is supposed to be a poor photographer who is barely scraping by but still has a ridiculously ripped physique even before the Symbiote attaches to him or you get someone who is supposed to be playing an overworked dad in a dead end job who clearly has no time to work out and is somehow still jacked it seems jarring.
@@caldw615 good point
I honestly appreciate movies/tv that just have regular-looking people as leads. It helps me relate to them better and be more committed to the story. When someone is just an absolute stunner, it's kind of distracting.
Regular looking preindustrial people perhaps. The average modern American at a BMI of 27 is every bit as unhealthy as a huge roided guy.
That's why I like English movies or TV shows, usually the cast is normal looking people.
That's why I don't watch rock movies :|
That’s so true.
It’s more distracting now, knowing all we know.
“I guess Steve Rogers is skipping today’s workout because he’s off saving the world. Oh no. Today was meant to be a high volume leg day. Think of the regression!” 🤨
Back in the glorious 80s people just thought “holy crap!” 😂
That's why I like Dune with Paul Atreides as the lead character. Mind over body.
Muscle building literally comes from getting a Zenkai boost after recovering from damaging your body.
Senzu Beans ftw
@@MacabreStorytelling yes
No. Zenkai boosts come from near death experiences
@@edbotikx Well, you still gain power from injuries, just not as much.
Art mimics life
100 push ups, 100 sit ups, 100 squats, and a 10km run each day!
One Punch Man Workout! Dont forget to turn off your ac in the summer and dont run your heat in the winter.
Haha and the final recipe don’t forget to become bald.
"Don't get too strong like me, if you enjoy fighting."
I can easily do 60 each and a 4 kil run, that much? Man that’s crazy and I don’t give a f who prescribed it.
You're so fucking original for posting this.
On a lark, I tried out that Machinist diet. An apple for breakfast, tuna for lunch and dinner, and cigarettes to curb my snacking.
Yeah, I definitely lost weight. I also lost my fucking mind.
At that point that sounds like torture
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That's just an eating disorder...
That's why bale is one of the best and most dedicated actors in Hollywood.
No wonder there was that (in)famous occasion when he flipped his shit on set ...
... between all his efforts to shape his body to fit the certain rôles he was cast for, must've eventually caught up with him ...
I am so glad you have made this video. As a pretty devoted gym rat for the past 2 years, I am so fed up of trying to explain to people that YES you’re favourite actor transformation was most likely assisted by PEDs and that YES your favourite athlete is most likely on PEDs. But NO there is nothing wrong with PEDs people just are quite about it. They are always in disbelief and call me wrong and uneducated…
It's downright laughable how every celebrity and athlete claims "yeah I added 30 pounds of muscle while getting to 2% body fat by eating nothing but chicken breasts, broccoli, and brown rice" or some crazy diet. The Liver King and the Rock are both kind of laughable in their denial of PEDs since the Rock is bigger than he was in his WWE days and bigger than most of the fittest athletes and actors half his age and the Liver King always looks like he's about have a heart attack and has a distended muscle gut and a misshapen physique that's more out of proportion than even professional powerlifters.
I don’t think ive ever heard anyone talk about men’s body issues.
how did you miss so much of feminism 👀
@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 Won't solve male problems
@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 the closest modern feminism ever gets to discussing male issues is "hurr durr toxic masculinity". The movement claims to want to help men, but the advice it offers is for men to stop raping and to stop being sexists because we apparently are, and that's what's causing us to suffer.
@@labangrankvist2993 IDK how did you all miss so much of feminism but talking about how much gender norms and social expectations based on gender and how much those are bad is basically what we constantly talk about.
@@JoseRamirez-ew7vq You are in how many feminist groups?
Meanwhile there's Keanu Reeves, full on dad bod and known as one of the hardest working most skilled actual fighters in hollywood. Plus he can run 3 gun like a pro.
right look at tony ja, jet li, jackie chan, donny yen, scott adkins, micheal jai white (no really look at white he looks big but it's because he's tall, he's not that insanely muscular, it's mostly lighting) look at a number of martial arts stars and you'll see, if you ACTUALLY freeze frame and look at them, they have decent, but not unrealistic physiques, probably because like keanu, they train for their role the way the character in the movie would have trained, i don't see john wick going to the gym seven times a day, i could see him doing workout maybe three to four times a week, 45 to an hour a day, and then going and practcing guns and jiujitsu etc, just like the other actors i mentioned they mostly train in their martial arts, sept white, i'm sure white lifts, but i doubt he lifts more than average, which again is like, an hour or so a day, three to five times a week, give or take, now don't get me wrong, YOU CAN workout six times a week, two hours a day, but that is with a split routine, ya know, mon-arms, tue-chest, wed-legs, thur-back, etc, me and a buddy used to workout like that all the time, we'd get off work, go to the gym at midnight and get out around 2 or 3 o clock in the morning, it got results, but we also go the whole next day and day after that etc to rest the part we worked out that night, sorry for being long winded, good video
@@DynomitePunch in a similar vein, look at real world operators like Mat Best, Evan Hafer, Jocko Willink, etc. They don't look like bodybuilders, but they have real world insane functional strength from both the training reqs and realities of their jobs.
@@DynomitePunch michael jai white is fucking jacked what are you talking about. The guy is 225lbs all muscle
@@IamJigle yeah in pictures, and he's in great shape don't get me wrong, but he's also REALLY TALL, which gives the visual illusion that he's bigger than he is, i'm not saying he's small, he is jacked, but he looks even bigger especially since camera's video and photo DO make people look bigger by flattening their picture when it's taken, also lighting is a big part of it, for example, when i'm under a light that's directly over me, i can see the musculature of my arm way better than if i wasn't in reality i don't look that big, but due to lighting etc i look way bigger, that's what i'm driving at, that and he's not constantly shifting weight like he's a sponge man like bale and them guys do, mike stays roughly the same shape
Partly because there are different types of functional fitness depending on what you are trying to get your body to do. At the top of their games a heavyweight boxer looks very different to a Kung Fu black belt who looks very different to an Olympic sprinter who is different again to a pro cyclist. Even within cycling you can often tell the difference between a circle track sprinter and a Tour de France pro.
Meanwhile Hollywood has slowly been making everyone look like a bodybuilder, which often translates to low functional fitness because you're carrying around too much muscle in places that impede flexibility or running and make you tired faster. I appreciate not having a completely jacked Batman because while yes, he's supposed to be big, he's also supposed to be able to run around on rooftops for hours and be so stealthy he can sneak up on ninjas while clinging to ceiling beams.
I like rock climbing and it's always fun being in the climbing gym with weights gym junkies who struggle to finish a single climb without being too exhausted while my semi-fit ass keeps going, partly because of technique, and partly because I'm not lifting up muscles that are stopping me from getting my full range of motion from extended to tightly crouched.
him: some of these workouts are complete nonsense
me, who has never set foot in a gym before: hmhm yes, absolutely
I really recommend working out. You will feel so much better. Mentally and physically you will be so much sharper. Heavy weight training is the best but do start with running if you are nervous.
@@sagebias2251 you dont have to go to the gym to work out lol
@@aliyailgin1830 Correct. I lift in my own gym but most people can't do that. Running outside is easy as well.
@@sagebias2251 calisthenics
A guy in my university was really into body building and had to drop out because he seriously injured himself by working out too much. I completely agree that it is important to acknowledge that it isn't realistic to work out past a certain degree without PEDs regardless of how dedicated you are.
A guy you know got injured?
Cool story bro 👍
Coming from someone who’s lifted for 10 years, seeing these transformations occur in such small amounts of time really makes me want to do gear, it’s demoralising working so hard to build muscle, just to have people compare you to an actor and then tell you that you just must be jealous when you critique not the physique, but the timeframe it was built in
I've been lifting naturally for many years but I've never wanted to do gear. I think people on steroids generally look ridiculous. Way too vascular, way too bulbous. You should aim to just have a healthy, functional body. There's no benefit to being absolutely jacked over 'fit' unless you're training for a particular sport.
@@dannyclub09 some people want to be diced to the socks, just to feel good in their own skin. It isn't always about strength. Some want to be super lean and not have their biceps blow their sleeves wide open, others want to be able to shred their shirt in a single flex. Not everyone is the same or wants the same thing, js.
@@XanVicious Nah, but an extortionate desire to be large coupled with damaging your health by taking steroids in order to achieve that implies body dysmophoria or some rampant insecurities.
@@XanVicious wanting to look good is one thing...
destroying your hormonal and vascular system with forever lasting side effects is a different 1
@@XanVicious diced to the socks out of the box in all the bicepsees and tricepsees baby please!
The Rock was smaller when he was 30 and people argue that his physique is natural. Wow.
Frankly, much stronger too. You cannot tell me he is stronger now than when he was at his wrestling career peak.
@@aurelius8439 Growth hormone steadily declines after 30 and so does testosterone. Strength has nothing to do with it.
@@darthjones1996 well yes but not the point. Physique does not equal strength.
If you've seen the sheer volume in his workouts aswell it's mental to recover from
Not natural. He worked his ass off for that body. He never said he had a naturally muscular body. His workouts are hardcore
Taylor Lautners body transformation for the twilight movies considering he was only like 16 or 17 years old makes me so sad! And then the fact that some pictures of him came out years later after he literally disappeared from hollywood and he obviously didn’t have that body anymore and people were calling him fat and shit... holy fuck its sooo gross!
Wait was he actually a teenager when he played Jacob?! I thought he was in his early 20’s at least. Either way it’s fucked up how the media treats him. People are more than their bodies!
@@alyssapinon9670 nope, he was a teenager, and was told to gain serious muscle for New Moon or he was out. Like imagine the amount of pressure on a literal kid-and then to have your entire career revolve around having that body... no wonder the dude retreated from public life
@@TheaTheGenius omg poor guy!
@@TheaTheGenius He got a shit load of money for the amount of pressure. What do you expect? And its not that hard for teenager to go work out, its even fun for most of them.
He retreated from acting because he couldnt act and and wanted too much money. His movies after Twillight failed so producers didnt think he could carry a movie. Thats why he left. His co star Pattinson took many roles in independent movies and worked his way up.
@@LinhPham-wh9ts another person missing the point, pattinson didn’t look like Lautmer in the twilight movies and also pattinson was older. Just because you are paid a shit tonne of money for a role it’s not inherently right to expect that from a child/ then criticise him years on for not upholding unrealistic body standards.
As a woman, this level of muscles has always grossed me out. Ironically, it’s done mostly to impress other men, same for women who want to look a certain way as competition with other women.
Good point! We are our own worst critics while others see us after Thanksgiving dinner and still wanna fuck haha
@@Morale_Booster sis here is doing what her name says Boosting People's morales
That the most heteronormativity hot take I've heard today 🤦♀️.
@@Gladiva19 what?
@@Gladiva19 ikr? I wanna look hot for me
Why did people get so angry at Patinson not wanting to be a buffed Batman, I mean Michael Keaton was no Arnie and he did a good job as Batman!
He is very fit tho. He was joking when he said he wasnt training at all
Yep I actually had so much respect for patinson that he didn't want to juice or train like mad. He is an actor first and not a fitness trainer or body builder.
Haha let's not forget Adam West! He just looked like someone's dad in a Batsuit.
Cause I think it was in his contract. Like he literally signed up for it.
Because that was the 80s. Keatons Batman wasn’t trying to be comic accurate. His Batman killed people and the joker murdered his parents. Do you really think tim burton cared about Batman’s physique?. Matt reeves on the other hand wants his Batman to be comic accurate
Well.. I respect robert even more , he has the biggest set of balls in Hollywood. His ability to just say "no" makes him a much greater man than 90 percent of Hollywood.
I mean...you're right...
But, the pressure is real.
Some actors lose their careers when saying "no".
Some stars are so comfortably situated, they can and will say "no" whenever they please.
For many divas it doesn't take any category of balls to say "no".
Yeah, but wasn't he pretty jacked in Twilight? It's not like he can't do it. Lol. Although he is much older now so I could understand why he wouldn't want to.
i mean, would you say that his ability to say "no" makes him a greater man, or is it more likely that the only reason he can say it in the first place and still have a part or a future in the industry is because he's already big enough to get roles on name recognition alone? The fact is that most male actors don't get a choice.
@@khrashingphantom9632 no he wasnt
@@khrashingphantom9632 toned? Yes. Jacked? No really, he had a pretty lean figure.
Tom Hardy said he has trouble picking up his kids ever since Bane. His joints are shit so despite that muscle it made it harder shits sad.
Damn that's sad
@@Himmyjewett IKR? Damn shame. The sacrifices these people make for entertainment.
That literally doesn't make any sense. You are able to lift heavy weights for years and years at a time. Joint problems are only caused by lifting like an absolute tard. His problems weren't caused by the expectation. They were caused by him lifting like an absolute jackass
@@shonenjumpmagneto I know right...these poor poor actors and their million dollar mansions and bentleys. I think they can endure some back pain for the amount they get paid
@@ronaldwhitman1377 fucking exactly! And besides...he bulked up years and years ago for a role in a film called 'Bronson' on which he played a convict. Lifting and squatting like a dumbass, forcing more weight to soon then u can handle is what causes I injuries. And if he cant pick up his kids its prob because of poor form for years
I challenge any male who has gotten into weight lifting of any kind to not struggle with body dysmorphia. I was so fat after uni, I started lifting to lose the weight which also meant I put on a little muscle, so by the time I was done i was lean without being massive and I had a chiseled chest and abs. I felt so good, I decided hey lets get bigger, so I bulked. I bulked for 2 months which as anyone who is natural knows, will not really yield much in the way of gains but my abs lost their visibility, my serratus was still visible, my pecs were still chiseled but my abs becoming even the slightest but fuzzy made me switch to an insta cut. I have been lifting for 3 years now and have just finished my first real bulk. I bulked for 7 months and in that time I got so much stronger, so much better, my mood improved but I couldn't take my shirt off, I would shower and run past the mirror, I would get ready in the morning before going to wash my face and brush my teeth so that I didn't have to look at my body in the mirror. I couldn't even take shirtless pictures for my trainer so I had to face time him and close my eyes when I took my top off and then turn away from the mirror to put my clothes back on. I eventually caught a glimpse of myself in a mirror when I went to see what the bruises were like from some cupping treatment I had self-administered (I am a physio) and I felt sick and depressed despite knowing full well I wasn't fat, I was so much stronger, the bulk inevitably came with fat. So I looked bigger, you could tell I had a lot of muscle but not much definition, I didn't have a belly, but it was flat, no abs in sight. I started a cut recently and I am getting my definition back which makes me happy but as a result I am losing small increments of my strength which makes me feel almost as shitty as losing definition, its a vicious game man
Thanks for your honesty. It is important for people to know how much men and women are a like on this issue.
I'm not very knowledgeable about fitness or body building, but it seems to me like we ought to adjust our body expectations for what a physically fit man is supposed to look like. As far as I understand it you can have several overall healthy body types. The bulky super toned comic book character body type is just trying to take all the "best" aspects of each body type and it's not sustainable or healthy at all. Let weightlifters be bulky, and runners be slim, plus everything inbetween.
I hope you can find comfort in your body regardless of what it looks like.
Yep, I didn’t have any body issues when I was chubby in high school (which fluctuated from pretty fit to a bit overweight), but I thought I was still chubby at my lowest weight, just because I couldn’t see my abs and the lower belly fat was there.
Start idolizing some strong men bodies. It helped me not worry about having ripped abs. I focus on strength and endurance now.
As woman, it doesn't matter if muscles are seen from a km away, fact they're there is enough, natural bodies look, well, natural, and better with that.
as a person who works in tv production, the way male actors are made to feel about their bodies is just as harmful, shitty, and dangerous as their female counterparts. i know actors who have seriously messed up their health long term for a single shirtless scene, which is devastating. thanks for this video, it's a good one!
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Actors regardless of gender shouldnt feel pressured to cut out sugar etc. for few seconds of shirtless scene...
Men don't express their insecurity so it seems they don't have it. wrong.
What long term affects are you taking about
@@SOSO_CREPITUS I don’t want to violate anyone’s privacy by talking specifics, but I will say that there are lots of horrible side effects that come along with mistreating your body, and they can last far longer than the diet/exercise does. intentional dehydration, malnutrition, persistent caloric deficits etc can do some pretty serious damage
When I started working out with a personal trainer a few years ago, he gave me really Frank advice about what is and is not possible without PEDs. He told me upfront that he used PEDs himself, and I should bear that in mind if aspiring to his body type. I really appreciated the honesty tbh.
I appreciate him too. He sounds like an upstanding guy.
Did he or one of his associates sold those drugs?
@@ericjorgearnezinochea9679 no he ran his own gym so he wasn’t selling drugs. He must have been purchasing them for personal use somehow. Though I am sure there were other people at the gym selling as there are at every gym I have been to.
Wow, all I know is that my pops always said "that stuff is not good for ya liver, and check out body builders who don't live pass the age of 40".
BX STAND UP!!!
@@alexandercrush yeah I used to work in a chicken factory: I am never eating chicken again 🤮
Damn, this video really opened my eyes to how I even view my own body. As a 22 year old male that goes to the gym 6 days a week, I find that I feel frustrated with my progress and my body image every other day. To the point where I get super depressed for weeks because I’m not seeing the “overnight gains” that I’m so used to seeing on the internet. Thank you for opening up this discussion because I didn’t even realize how harmful this body image stuff is in my own life.
❤ Hope all is well!
Excellent you were able to get this. There's some underlining issues behind your body dismorphia. Your beautiful no matter what form you take.
Just be the best you that you can be. It is better to know what is achievable naturally with normal genetics and then just get off instagram lol Remember why you started amd just keep training and build your physique
As someone who has lifted for 7yrs straight you should know you CAN look like these guys. But it’ll take a long time with no drugs.
You could use drugs and get the result of 7years in a few months...but it’s not worth it.
Love long, be healthy, and kick ass in the gym
Wasnt it obvious that rest is important for muscle growth, 6 days a week is too much
As a guy who has only recently started a fitness journey, whatching this video has given me a lot to think about. You are 100% right about how men are pressured just as much as women to look a certain way, and even though this is something that is being discussed more and more, when celebrities talk about their struggles, they are either ridiculed (like in Pattinson's case) or criticized (like Adele and Rebel Wilson). Seeing how the companies behind athletes and celebrities create this kind of environment for their employees makes me think that all the recent body possitivity and me too movement, that these companies are "embracing" and preaching about, are just a façade and they actually couldn't care less about the people who are suffering. Quite sad actually
Idk where you’re in your journey rn, but just a positive reminder that success comes with patience. Good luck and stay strong!
@@TylerWardhaha thanks for the kind words, Tyler!
I remember watching an interview where Zac Efron said he was never going to work out like he did for Baywatch again coze he was basically starving himself
And what makes it worse is he was 100% taking PEDs for that role too,
So having to starve yourself and deal with the strain of starving yourself is insane
Imagine if it was for a good movie lol
@@shoazdon7000 Yeah, starving yourself wouldn't be as bad if you didn't have to deal with the strain of starving yourself on top of that.
I swear if it was just a normal citizen doing this kind of thing they'd be diagnosed with an ED but since it's actors doing it they're just "committed" and whatnot
If i could get that body by starving i would do it
Zac Efron recently worked on a Netflix documentary where he explored different countries’ foods an approaches to environment sustainability and I remembered him eating ravioli in Italy, looking so happy and saying something like “I finally get to enjoy carbs.”
I’m glad he seems to have taken a big step back from Hollywood and is off enjoying life and all it’s wonderful foods.
He isn’t eating many carbs if he wants to keep his physique though.
I never understood that. You don't need to cut out carbs to get a good physique. Hollywood's approach to body transformations is completely inaccurate and misinformed.
@@ish762 getting shredded is generally done with carb restriction. Yeh you can technically leaner than you are as long as you’re in a calorie deficit but it’s much easier to restrict carbs
@@HkFinn83 You'e talking as if carbs aren't a type of calorie
@@notOL01 no I’m not.
As much as i love Dwayne The Rock Johnson, he's literally twice the size he had when he wrestled, and he's 49!
he takes way to much roids. The guy is destroying his life. But he get's the money for it.
And The Rock was even juicing back when he was a wrestler!
He's most likely on test boosters plus things he named
That’s me on the train right now 🤣🤣🤣dude next to me is like 👀
@@paulgotik How much more money can he want. No other actor gets so many lead roles in a single year. He's the higest payed actor. I like him, but he should slow down and leave some roles for other actors who aren't getting a chance because guy like the rock get all the roles.
The even deeper issue here is the adoration and idolizing of these people in the first place. If society wasn't so swept away with celebrities, trying to imitate and emulate them, we wouldn't have a great deal of problems we do.
Holy shit I agree so hard
Why do we idolize? What needs are we trying to fulfill? How can we fulfill those needs in a healthier way? That's what needs to be done, rather than a judgemental "Just stop idolizing."
@@infinitespiral6758 Answer those for yourself.
Sheep will be sheep
it's human nature. For much of western civilizations history people compared themselves to greek and roman statues trying to get that look, Hercules especially was so popular his statues were often the benchmark for physical fitness even though he was a super humanly strong half god. Other cultures had similar such as the Hawaiians striving to pick up the Naha stone which weighed 5000 pounds, Vikings trying to carry the 410lb Húsafell Stone, and there are similar legendary stones elsewhere (there's tons of legendary "lifting stones"). Some polytheistic cultures similar to the Greeks and Romans would try to emulate gods or legendary heroes, or even athletes of their time like some who tried to get physiques like the gladiators and countless people tried to emulate their cultures greatest warriors. It's all pretty similar to today where you've got people emulating actors and athletes, and snake oil like elixirs stretch back to some of our earliest written records.
Those people who are saying things about Patinson are kind of stupid.He never said he is not working out for the role he just said he is not going to damage his body in my opinion.
How dare he!
He was trolling
He was trolling
@Nick Fletcher. it was a joke bruh
@Nick Fletcher. I mean Batman is supposed to be the World's Greatest Detective, a man who sneaks around in the shadows and uses fear to control and detain criminals. Yes, he's trained and honed himself to be the peak of human condition, but it's only very recently that we even expected big, hulking muscles = peak male physicality.
I mean there are monks at remote monasteries who practice wushu or other martial arts that can do crazy things - inhuman feats of strength, bending metal and breaking stone with their bare bodies, etc - even though they don't 'look like it' (aka have very defined 'gym muscles').
Maybe he wants to focus on a different side of Batman, which is absolutely up to him to decide how he wants to interpret the character.
Or maybe y'know, he's just joking.
Either way it's just a superhero movie, everything comes with a little suspension of disbelief to begin with.
The people attacking Robert are stupid, he literally just jokingly said that he won't become some muscle freak for the role, and he doesn't NEED to be. His batman is set in year 2 so a normally fit physique is enough. Acting skills are the most important part.
Agree. Batman is a detective not a bodybuilder. He should be fine
His lean build reminds me a lot of Justice League cartoon Batman
The fun part is - literally NOBODY wants to see an skinny batman. I don't want to, actually no of that batman actors in movies and tv had the physics to show that comics batman believeable just with rubber suits and stuff
@Tao Pai Pai But the essence of the story is, that batman trained his mind as his body to the absolute limits of human understanding.... You are not credible for this, with an average body
Hmmm. Robert acting ... how is he learning that?
It's always surprising to watch old movies that star actors like Humphrey Bogart, who are phenomenal actors, very masculine, very captivating, but who could never be cast in a modern movie because they're not juiced-up meat heads. There is an unknown number of talented actors who aren't getting work because Hollywood executives now think to be a leading man you also have to be jerk off bait.
Great video. And like you said, Hollywood commodifying the bodies of actors in this way creates a vicious cycle where audiences then think they need this unachievable body, don't achieve said body, and get down on themselves.
Watch Maltese Falcon. Classic.
@@datatsushi2016 Joel Cairo got beat up so many times lol
Funny thing is, to be a leading lady in those times most actresses had to be jerk off bait. Then Hollywood evolved, but instead of evolving in a way of "well, maybe not every leading lady has to look like a greek godess" they went "wouldn't it be great if all leading men looked like greek gods too?"
“Jerk offf bait”
*liked*
@@Despair505 exactly this. I see this argument a lot still 'well let's do this to men, too' - no, let's try not to force ideals like that on either gender OTL
That's why the rise of people like timothee chalamet as a leading man is a good thing, seen as desirable when he's the exact opposite of the superhero body
He is one of those or only guy who looks that good being that skinny. he is the best
Yep I just said that in another comment and I completely agree.
@@ryansmith-jr4gn he is already the lead in a big budget movie and I pray he doesn't end up having to bulk up unnaturally. I don't think he would be cast for those roles anyway.
Ehhh. I worry that as a society we might just be setting new beauty standards around people like Chalamet. The anatomy-diagram muscular look is often unachievable without unhealthy behaviours, but so is that kind of skinniness. His bone structure and general build is slight enough to make his look relatively achievable, and even then I'm sure he has to eat and exercise very carefully. Lots of people would have to starve themselves to look like that, and we've seen how unhealthy hyper-slender beauty standards can be for many women.
The variety he represents is lovely to have, but the look wouldn't necessarily be a healthier or more "natural" goal for his fans, you know?
yea that and the fact that he looks like a greek god sculpted him, he's literally hollywood's wet dream in the flesh
I find these transformations particularly awful when they're just for normal guy roles. For example, while I personally disagree with actors having to change their bodies to get a certain role, Chris Evans transforming for Captain America at least made sense in the context of the story (CA's body was literally enhanced by science), but when actors look like *that* and their role is just love interest, or boss, or teacher etc. it just does not make sense to me. Of course I'm not advocating for actors changing their body for every single role, as extreme fluctuations in weight can have terrible long-term consequences, but rather pointing out what a ridiculous standard that creates. Take the Riverdale cast for example, my mans Archie literally looks like a bar of chocolate and yet is supposed to be just some average, small-town 18yr old. I think we underestimate the impact media can have on us, bc while rationally we may be able to understand that that character is an actor who has masses of resources available to them to create the 'perfect' body, their standard still burrows its way deep into our psyche and is very hard to remove.
Because hot people sell. It's made so the teens who watch it develop crushes on the characters and keep supporting the show. They don't care about realism, they care to appealing to the public.
A love interest with an average body/slightly fat wouldn't sell sadly. It goes for both genders. We are visual animals and it's quite naive to say people can look past that as a whole
@@NaohMkS, Hollywood sets our beauty standards more than anything else. If the actors go through these transformations to conform to our beauty standards, that becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
It never used to be like this. Look at a pic of Sean Connery as James Bond in the 60s - he has a good body but he's definitely not jacked, and yet he was still considered to be a walking sex machine. That's what we need to get back to instead of this unhealthy and damaging representation of male and female bodies driven by Hollywood.
@@capitalcitygiant the unhealthy and damaging image of womens bodies was exactly the same from the 60s til now. Because back then everything was designed for the male gaze, they weren't targeting female audiences, even the male love interest was designed to look cool to men. But I guess today that area become a lot more equal in a toxic sense.
Christian bale was the worst, from the machinist to batman in a fucking year.
How can he survive on his own? His metabolism might be squished beyond repair.
@@nont18411 considering that he's a method actor, I don't think he really cares, as long as the end justifies the means
He is actually one of the few actors to openly admit in an interview that there was more to his transmations than just healthy eating and lots of working out though.
A year is a long time. Usually takes 6 months to put on muscle. So you can make significant transformation in a year.
He was in American Psycho shape before Machinist though. While it was probably an augmented transformation, it’s not as insane as a total novice gaining that mass in that time.
Mark Ruffalo has the best training regime; put on a mo-cap suit and let the Special Effects Studio add the muscles in post-production.
Robert Pattinson appears to be a top bloke.
Body image issues are extremely prevalent among young men as well, but very few are talking about it. Instead society is perpetuating it, especially some folks in the fitness industry. Sometimes it's just depressing seeing young people in the gym work their ass off for months and then quitting overnight when they don't immediately turn into The Rock.
I wish I could just tell them the reality of it. It takes commitment and time. Lots of time. But you don't need PEDs to get there.
To look like The Rock? It doesn’t take “time”, it takes copious steroid use. No amount of patience alone will be enough
lol as Bill Burr said "The top twenty guys, all tested positive for 'roids. So OUR roided-up guy beat YOUR roided-up guy."
That would make a lot more sense if Merika didn't cry steroids more than any other country and apparently Cuba, Russia and China are the only ones using huh? Not like Lance Armstrong or the entire 1980 American Wrestling team or how the Bay Area Laboratory scandal is the biggest case of doping in the history of modern sports.....right?
"In 2003, Wade Exum, the United States Olympic Committee (USOC) director of drug control administration from 1991 to 2000, gave copies of documents to Sports Illustrated which revealed that some 100 American athletes who failed drug tests and should have been prevented from competing in the Olympics were nevertheless cleared to compete; among those athletes were Carl Lewis, Joe DeLoach and Floyd Heard"
Have fun reading, I didn't even mention the NFL or MLB. By any and every metric no country is using as much as Muh-rika.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_the_United_States
@@utkarsh2746 No country but Russia has stooped so low as to use their intelligence services to cheat at the Olympics. Russia owns that honor. Owns it forever.
I love some Bill Burr
@@justin1730 Right...do you have literally any piece of factual news to back that up? Somehow no country gets caught doping as much as Merika but there's a global conspiracy with shady governments and spies? The guy who risks losing the Nike sponsorship isn't cheating but some villager from a farm in Russia is?
@@justin1730 Victor Conte, founder of Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative, is the biggest name in Doping history for a reason. I know Americans don't like to read (Bill Burr says that too, remember?) but here you go: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Laboratory_Co-operative
And male body dysmorphia is almost completely ignored in the public eye simply because we're men. I grew up watching wrestling in the 80s and 90s and reading comic books. I'm never, ever going to shake the feeling that I am inferior, no matter how I look.
Don't think that you'll never gonna get over it. Thinking that you are capable of overcoming it is a big part on actually doing it!
Not matter how you look like, you are valuable. I wish you the best.
Bro...I was not ready for these feels
@@BrokenKrayon has muscle shirt and weights in photo
Speaks truth.
Bro dont stress my arms and legs are shredded and my body is pear shape so ur prob better off then me
I have an eating disorder I sweat in hot water in the bath 2 hours a day walk 6 hours
I've lost 37 lb since Jan 1st
Hey. I hope things will be ok for all of you.
It annoys me when people claim so and so is doing steroids and are thus deemed as a hater. They are not hating the results. They are hating the user not claiming their use of steroids.
@Vincent S welll the thing is you actually are more deserving of what you achieved so you should feel proud that you didn’t end up cheating yourself and taking the short cuts.
If they want to use gear, that's their thing. The problem is them not admitting to it.
If you want to have a physique like a tank with veins thicker than other ppl's necks, and are willing to compromise your long-term health for that, that's your choice. But stop bullshitting people by pretending this is possible with just "hard work and dedication", and thus making all the poor bastards actually putting in the hours in the gym despair as they wonder why even after 2 years of lfting their results are nowhere close to what their favorite star "achieved" after 3 months.
But here’s the thing. Most people don’t even train properly or just have average or shit genetics and then in turn project their shit results on someone else
@Vincent S don't hate on them. They are risking their health. You are not.
@@Shvabicu Quite correct. Unless you are competing, taking drugs or not is not a moral issue - you do or you don't, why shouldn't one do? They are not "evil" aids. The problem, imho, is 100% on the health level: the side effects are there, are serious, and frequent enough that it is not simply a vague warning. Honestly, if it was not for the health risk, a lot of people - me included - would take drugs and get much easier results. I like gym, but i needed easily 10-15 years to barely come close in my best moment at those guys in the video. Barely, i always had either a bit of a pouch or much smaller muscles.
Interestingly, as someone that used to work in a pharmacy as a pharmacy assistant, we would have referred to HGH as a hormone but prednisone as a steroid. but most people in the general public would assume that a body builder accused of taking "steroids" meant they were taking growth enhancing substances
I don't think they would get big off prednisone.
@@ianpearson8976 but it would help your body repair from a workout quicker, and thus enable you to make the bod transformation over a shorter period of time.
There's an interview with Chris Evans - I think on Ellen, where they have a shirtless pic of him. One of the women say 'THAT's what's under there?' and Chris says "No" but everyone laughing covers it up. I always think of that because it's clear he has to peak at a single shot for the movie and then relax to more realistic physique after filming's done.
Exactly, most people don't get that the majority of these actors don't walk around looking jacked 24/7 year round. They work up to that one shirtless shoot, where they dehydrate and pump up to look yoked for a few minutes.
But you see them looking pretty normal day to day.
@@LastBastian yeah the one incident of "dehydration" for a scene I've heard talk of within the last year or so was how Henry Cavill dehydrated for 3 days so he could do the bathtub scene with the actress who plays Yennefer in The Witcher. Like 3 days. He could've died if he didn't drink any water/liquids in that period. It's honestly bonkers how intertwined the entertainment industry is to the weight loss/beefing up/diet culture industry when it is thought about in those terms. It is not a sustainable industry standard in any way shape or form.
Like a bodybuilder preparing for a competition.
@@kraziiXIII Dehydration is super common in other sports where athletes cut weight for competitive events, like wrestling or MMA
@@skair5425 Yeah, I get that. It's still an unsustainable standard to maintain regardless of what professional arena it takes place in. It isn't healthy to do it in the long term. The health of the professional should be the main concern of the industry rather than, idk sports, the Undertaker?? being .05 lbs over the weight class.
My ex is an actor with a pretty regular slim not too buff physique. He had to get ripped for a 30 second shirtless scene, and for that had to embark on a ridiculous work out schedule. He ate only chicken breast and salad for months, and got a Trainer to get him shaped up with an absolutely insane routine (it seemed like that to me.). Needless to say, it payed off and he gained that Hollywood body, 8 pack and all.
Once that scene was done and no more reshoots, he almost cried with relief when could eat cake. Didn't take long for him to look just as he did before.
So that really taught me the lesson, that while it might look good, the pain is hardly worth it in normal life.
Where there things your ex liked about being that fit?
@Tom Ffrench That's how so many models end up being bulimic. It's the fastest way for them to eat all the tasty food they want without gaining weight.
Yep and this is why I’m always very skeptical of the ‘natural’ guys that are 210 and very lean year round. Is it possible to maintain this? Yes but it’s a very miserable existence unless you are a genetic freak and/or taking PEDs
Just eating chicken and salad would probably make his gain of muscles even harder due to lack of essential micro nutrients
Zac Efron's Netflix series touches on this. He was so excited to eat carbs when filming in Italy and he mentioned how toxic the film industry is when it comes to diet and body image. It's really sad.
So what you're saying is that Saitamas workout plan isn't so bad after all. Gotcha
If you run as much as saitama does you will lose weight like crazy, 10 mi a day is no joke
@@MCXL1140 10 km*
You just destroyed the comment section with.... One.... Punch.
@@a.garcha199 shit!
Saitamas work out plan actually works. I started doing it and after 2 months I was way leaner and had more muscle. I stoped doing it everyday though because I got injured.
Hey, thanks for the male body positivity. Despite kind words from even my significant other, I feel really pressured to be a huge monster man. Knowing that a lot of people take drugs for everything, including anti-inflammation reasons, made me really take a step back and analyze what I was idolizing. I don't feel as insecure anymore. I don't need to look like Arnold. It also really made me take a different stance on Pattinson's words. Maybe he was right
I realise it looks framed like it’s an altruistic act that champions men everywhere but unfortunately…..
Pattinson’s full of s**t. It’s just more of the same.
He took the money, worked out, but wants to cover his arse for if/when he doesn’t look as good on camera as he did in his early 20s when teenage girls had involuntary vaginal conniptions over his abs.
Don’t believe me? Ok.
Scarlett Johansen is doing the same thing. She’s getting older and now wants to pretend she had a huge problem playing sexy and provocative characters throughout her rise to stardom. It’s utter horse s**t that we’re being sold.
@@CursedWheelieBin even if those are their motivations, it doesn't mean their stances in these situations are wrong - it's still better to perpetuate the things less rather than more wherever possible, even if it's not the most significant thing
No. You should be as strong as you can be. Lift weights, run sprints, don't accept mediocrity.
I feel like being the best version of your partner’s fantasy is the only goal that really matters lol
And 99% of the time they’re happy with way smaller than Arnold
The dehydration part is actually accurate. That's what all bodybuilders do before a show. It makes their skin look super thin. It works with or without steroids.
For that you use diuretics, not steroids.
@@sotirmilivojevic6233 I think he meant the dehydration part works in making your skin look thinner, regardless of if you're on steroids or not
@@aditwani6562 Yeah that's what I meant. I'm not sure if it works even better on steroids. I'm no doctor.
@@chrisking6695 the steroids help with the severe dieting, which is part of that process. They help maintain muscle during that time.
@@sotirmilivojevic6233 its still a PED, if you are a bodybuilder go to Olympia with a normal amount of water in the body they will lose points
I was a competitive pro swimmer for my county (completely natural, no drugs) and I can honestly say it’s rampant, you are fighting such an uphill battle trying to compete against steroid users
Was there no form of regulation at all? That sucks man
A reporter asked Tom Hardy if he took any "supplements" to get in shape for his role as Bane or for Warrior. Hardy said, "skittles". It was tongue in cheek and he was essentially saying "yes" I took PED's.
Great points in the video talking about where an actor started and how fast they got "jacked". It was touched on, but the studio have a vested interest in these actors looking as good as they can for their given roles. The studios hire trainers and nutritionists to help them. Many studios will hire "companions" as well to be with the actor to make sure they don't cheat or do something that will make them backslide. Studios have done that for years for actors who have drug and alcohol problems to make sure they don't go on a bender and mess up the filming schedule. Robert Downey Jr comes to mind. His companion made sure he stayed away from anything that would take away from his performance. I'm sure the studio also pays for "high colonics", massage and anything else the actor needs.
I like Hardy in at least he is somewhat honest. I know he was very likely taking those same skittles for his movie Warrior
@@tidefanyankee2428 As well as PEDS
Perseverance Engaged Determination ?
The way you structured your sentence... you just said that you took PED's and that Tom Hardy just meant "yes" when he said "Skittles".
I've only been involved with lifting for about 10 years, and its been quite a while now that i've realized that the fitness industry is completely broken and, to an extent, dangerous to newcomers.
Red flag no. 4: age at which the transformation was achieved. It's one thing to do what Kumail did at 20, but at 43 that's almost completely impossible without help.
For Kumail, probably (as a lifelong sedentary guy). During my PT days I had clients in their early 40s who put on muscle very well. The big difference tended to be that they had an extensive athletic background but were transitioning away from what they were doing before (usually runners, or guys who played recreational football / basketball).
Losing body fat that shows the muscular frame of a person is not the same as doing steroids' that builds large muscles.
Started to consistently lift at 41 and have drastic changes to my physique in a few months.
@@empalio5305 Nobody’s saying you can’t put on ANY muscle in your 40s. That would be a hyperbolic argument.
What’s far less likely is suddenly developing huge bicep veins that look like cables, abdominals that look like bricks, all in a matter of weeks PLUS without retaining any adipose tissue whatsoever from the calories required to build that muscle in the first place.
The guy used PEDs. I don’t care. Just be honest.
It’s a tricky situation because we’re damned if we do, and damned if we don’t.
If the truth stays hidden then many reasonable people think that’s achievable naturally, and if the truth is out then we’re recklessly encouraging the use of PEDs and that could lead to other problems of people abusing them.
@@xsageonexx7399 41? With that user name?
But anyway, having a drastic change in physique is vague. It's very easy for an overweight person to lose that extra weight, compared to someone of a normal weight trying to become even slimmer.
For example, I am 6'2, I was underweight a few years ago, 79kg. I've played rugby all my life but I was injured and lost too much weight. Now I'm 95kg (after hitting 105!), because my natural weight for my height/frame is around 90kg. So it was easy for me to gain that extra kg. But for me to get to 110+kg of muscle? I don't see it happening naturally. When I was 105 I had a big beer belly haha. But now that I've been training again, I shred that weight very quickly. Because 105 is overweight for me.
I would suggest just joining a sport. Your teammates will push you further and you will commit yourself more. I've trained myself to absolute exhaustion, puking etc. Not that I think that's good, but it's what your team and coaches expect of you. I also feel amazing after training. Runners high is a real thing
The last part of this video makes me very very sad. I am a male who has gotten groped in public as a minor and an adult. When I oppose and make a deal out of it, that is just laughed off as "someone likes you...". When it comes to men, the society expects us to like sexual touches. We are not supposed to dislike such approaches. I just don't get it.
Can I recommend the channel "Pop Culture Detective" to you? They have so many good videos about masculinity, and they have a series about the double standards the media has for SA against men.
I'm really sorry. SA shouldn't happen to anyone and when it does it should be taken seriously regardless of gender.
Yeah consent should be for everyone. Not only for some genders.
As a mother, I emphasize with you, as my son had likewise experienced all-too-frequent unwanted sexual aggression from females, prior to his coming up with a sure-fire phrase guaranteed to instantly rebuff the most aggressive of women: after a SINGLE polite assertion of non reciprocal interest he says, in a kind & genuine tone, "I'm sorry, I don't date DUDES."
@@theflutefreak Eh they seem to side more with the "feminist" side of things which I don't really agree with.
And this is exactly why I love that Rob Mcelhenney is open and honest about the actual process. The irony is that in all the videos I've seen of him being honest there's a huge chunk of people hellbent that he's only being sarcastic and that achieving that type of body in that amount of time is doable. Great video, I've been wanting to write a book on male body dysmorphia and this got my creative juices flowing with ideas!
I think the problem here is that most viewers, which is to say Americans, don't pick up on the cues for sarcasm.
People want to believe the dream. Of course it's completely ridiculous to believe that Rob, a 43 year old man, suddenly got ripped like a superhero in 6 months to anyone who actually works out. But most people don't work out, so they're clueless
Ye his body is achievable but he'd have to be 10-15 years younger with 5+ years of committed proper lifting
I don't know if I would say open and honest, he completely dodged the steroid comment in the intro clip. Then again, as far as actors go that is probably about as open and honest as you can reasonably expect them to be about their steroid usage.
@@Zzulu2 that's the irony, it's people claiming they work out so that's why they "know" it's doable, that getting in shape in that small amount of time is doable
body image issues in men is rampant. every male in my life has gone through or is currently going through some kind of gym muscle gaining routine. and unfortunately because, in contrast to women who are told to lose weight, going to the gym and working out seems much healthier. thus people just don't consider men being pushed to have an extremely muscular body type as a bad thing.
Its hard to watch all these guys who have body dysmorphia bandaid their issues by diving head first into restrictive gym schedules and diets. it doesn't address core issues they have regarding self esteem and instead further contributes to high levels of stress they feel towards their own bodies.
It’s hard to spot when it becomes unhealthy because the act of working out, in and of itself, is great for your mental health in many ways.
Sometimes underlying issues can be concealed like loneliness, unworthiness, and sometimes a need for attention.
It does vary from person to person so I can’t stand when ignorant people paint ALL gym-goers with a broad brush.
I think having clear, measurable and realistic goals tends to ground people and remind them why they’re in there. Keeps ‘em focused, and helps reduce any anxiety. Better to focus on “right m, I’m gonna lift this!” instead of “Christ, I look like an absolute muppet in here”.
Working out is good for you. It helps your mind and body. I've seen plenty of people who want to be huge start working out and quickly recalibrate to realistic goals and change their lives for the better.
@@MeanBeanComedy
Accidental redirection toward a healthy lifestyle isn’t any justification for all the steroid-fueled Hollywood fantasies that got them there in the first place
You’re applauding a smokescreen for corporations lying to earn millions from audiences’ fitness ignorance
@@corpsefoot758 No, I'm not
@@MeanBeanComedy
Ok buddy 😂
I love how all the dudes flaming Robert P for not “picking up a weight” or “being lazy” look like shit.
PRO-JEC-TION
Ikr their workout probably consists of walking from the bed to the couch and viceversa 2 times a day
@@hopelessfool6722 They're idiots, but they probably do work out. Part of the problem with the fitness industry is the idea that all you need to do to look good is put in the work.
That's false, working out might make you look better, but plenty of people will still look pretty bad.
@@La0bouchere I think the more pervasive myth is that working out is the way to get the body you want. Diet is much more in control of your actual body composition. You could work out not at all but if you eat the right kind of diet you can look athletic.
Yeah they're just nerds who think their love for superhero shit is a personality trait. Can't look at the bigger picture if it impinges in any way on their worldview
2 male suicides from my school this week. It cannot be ignored how this damages young men's self image and mental health
❤️ Hope you’re doing well
Your generation is weak.
@@McK9999 ok boomer
@@McK9999 keeping it classy I see
It’s sad but these suicides are not because of body image. We live in a heartless society in which young men are economic tools. There is no solution. Society is dead.
As a female with muscles, I'm not sure how similar my experience is to men, but to gain muscle healthily takes time. Doing it quickly is not a good idea. It could damage your body in the long run and I think health is more important than aesthetics.
Preach. It’s definitely easier for men simply due to genetics but in any case, if you gain muscle too quickly, your bones and joints can’t keep up. This is why a lot of steroid users end up getting horribly injured. Just because your chest can put up 315 doesn’t mean your bones can handle that weight if you used steroids and put the muscle on too quickly.
I get what you're saying, but every female has muscles. Everyone has muscles haha! Opening just sounds funny.
One of the biggest lies when actors say they transformed their bodies in 3 months. It takes years to really sculpt your body
@@jmorgan3977 I don't know how else to explain it because I'm not a body builder either. I kinda like not being too bulky 😭😆 so woman with muscles it is
@@jlinus7251 fair, just poking fun I guess haha!
I respect people like Arnold because he's been open about his steroid use for years
Why would THAT make you respect him?
@@CursedWheelieBin honesty is the best policy
@@josephbrennan370 Yes, that’s all nice and cute .
But, why does that make someone worthy of respect?
I guess I have to spell it out 🤦♂️
Firstly - If all it takes to get your precious “respect” (whatever that even is) is for someone to be honest, then it’s not really worth worth much, is it?
Furthermore - there’s a big difference to Arnold admitting using steroids back when nobody knew or cared what they were, versus someone in the public eye in 2021 who is claiming to have achieved a superhero level physique naturally, who’s entire career hinges on it.
Lastly - Arnold bulls**tted the media when he “admitted” to steroids. He tried to play dumb and said they were new, he didn’t know what they were, yet also claimed he did it under doctor supervision. He politically manoeuvred his way out of the question, and that was almost 20 years ago.
He’s used them every time he’s done a movie throughout his life.
It drives me nuts how people just convince themselves of these convenient “truths” like they’re hypnotised.
I’ve enjoyed his films and have nothing against him but I can clearly see he’s lying.
@@CursedWheelieBin what a sad and angry man you are. I hope things get better for you.
I still stand by what I said. I would rather have a world where people tell the truth and admit their mistakes than one where people lie all the time.
@@CursedWheelieBin bruh it's just my opinion
You talked about Hugh Jackman and the "not drinking water for 36 hours problem" in Wolverine but it's even worse in Les Miserables. Poor guy was singing, the damages he could have done to his voice could have left him unable to talk for life. he goes shirtless for less than 10 seconds on the entire movie !
That movie is a bio hazard for the viewer. Most musicals are.
Really the biggest problem in that film was singing live to begin with. Should have dubbed it over like movies musicals are normally.
But yeah given that they were singing at full voice live, there's no reason he should have ever tried that.
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It probably was dubbed and that was the best they could do.
@@bighands69 It wasn't dubbed. They wanted to do it like a traditional musical.
@@bighands69 "The film's vocals were recorded live on set using live piano accompaniments played through earpieces as a guide, with the orchestral accompaniment recorded in post-production, rather than the traditional method where the film's musical soundtracks are usually pre-recorded and played back on set to which actors lip-sync. "
this is why I love robert pattinson calling this shit out
@Ru paul huh never thought of polo body before, what's that look like
Parallel Universe Chris Evans: “I was deeply inspired by method actors who gave it their all in order to become their characters, so I sought out the brightest PED experts in the country and asked them to create a Captain America serum for me. Those PEDs really helped me become Captain America physically as well as mentally. My current motto? ‘I can do this all day’ 😁”
You mean, this universe, but honest...
I sent this video to my personal trainer (don't get excited. I'm a doughy, middle-aged lady with some expendable income trying to avoid cholesterol meds). Sparked a really amazing conversation. Keep up the excellent work!
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Are you worried about becoming pre-diabetic?
Look up Dr. Jason Fung here on UA-cam some time, his research on fasting/low-carb diets is doing absolute wonders for the average person’s anti-diabetic health regimens
Robert Patterson was actually him trying to annoy people (he does that a lot) he did actually do a lot of working out and dieting
Definitely trolling. He loves mocking the media by saying weird stuff that he knows they will lap up
Haha I love that man
@@joebloggs6922 well they definitely treated him like shit for a while there lol.
The actors are definitely overselling their workout plans, but also celebrity trainers are essentially baby sitters. They're paid to fill the star's day with activity so that the star doesn't resort to any high risk impulsive activity. Or any creative activity that would give them a negotiating edge against the studio, like "Sure, Hugh would love to play Wolverine in the third movie of the franchise that you promoted as a trilogy, but he's busy producing/starring in/directing an indie film, so you're going to have to work around his schedule or pay him more money."
Wow I didn’t think of that
Baby sitters = drug dealers
God, Jenny McCarthy is always just the worst person in the room.
Except when she was on Singled Out. Then, Chris Hardwick was the worst person in the room.
How old was Justin Bieber when she committed sexual battery against him?
@@danmorgan3685 By my reckoning, around 18.5 years old. It is pretty cringe to watch that, though.
She's fetishizing young men. lol
I haven't gotten to the part of the video that she's presumably in, but yeah.
I really loved this video! Organised, concise, I can tell you're very knowledgable. And more importantly I love men and women coming together to gripe about insane/impossible body standards that apply to EVERYONE. It feels powerful to have men and women (and everyone in between) talking about this issue 💗
As a woman who’s HAD eating disorder issues, I’m so happy you’re talking about this! Unrealistic standards may impact genders differently, but the impact is unhealthy and important to point out. Excellent video, thanks for the education and insight.
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@Overlord 3108 what are you even talking about bruh?
@Overlord 3108 I’d say you’d have to read into that pretty hard but regardless, her point is not that you NEED to develop an eating disorder to achieve a certain body type, but these often go hand in hand, as the pressure to look a certain way can have drastic psychological effects on your relationship with food. I’m not interested in oppression olympics so if you want to play The Who has it worse game, I’m sure there are plenty of cringe SJW channels you’d be better suited for.
@Overlord 3108 Except that is not her point either. When we say unrealistic we don't necessarily mean the body type itself but the other factors including body shape, time it takes to get there, etc. Thigh gaps were all the rage a while back even though they are physically impossible for some women due to body type.
What exactly is your point and why are you intending to make it?
@Overlord 3108 not at all. Body type and body shape actually mean two different things. I can’t believe I have to explain this to you.
You understand the time frames are important right? Many of these men CAN achieve these looks naturally, it’s about the time they are given which often results in drug use. When we discuss unrealistic body expectations, it is not just in reference to the bodies themselves.
The point of the thigh gap was that it was attempts by women trying to achieve something they couldn’t possibly do.
Again my question is what is the point of your comment? What point are you trying to make and why?
I'm reminded of Endgame, in which Thor gets fat and depressed, but is still worthy of Mjolnir. The message was suprisingly good, although undermined by the comedy of "superhero fat lol".
I still feel like the joke was fat thor nonetheless, and he had the axe not Mijonir, iirc. Witch sucks, not a lot of people have the money or the time to get in "Thor shape" But they made joke based on a body type that is very common.
Yeah, the scene with his mother was really good, but as a fat guy myself I HATED how the film handled him overall and made his being fat a constant joke.
As a Scandinavian you just reminded me of how offended I got that they could make something from our culture a fat fortnite playing loser but wouldn't even touch the idea of joking about the African culture inspired wakanda superheroes.
Thor has belt of strength, he’s always strong. Idk if in marvel or not I’m talking about irl
@@mocotojam6767 In Endgame, Thor had both Stormbreaker and Mjolnir. He traveled back in time to Asgard and called Mjolnir to him, and was overjoyed when it answered his call. In spite of his failures, depression, and shape, he was still worthy to wield the hammer. That's a good message to send.
What wasn't a good message to send was that Thor deserved to be mocked by all his friends for gaining weight after losing his father, his iconic weapon, his home, his brother, half his people, and then half the universe, all in the course of less than a week.
even kumail said in his interview while opening his fridge and tells what he eats , he said :"no body should live like this".
I can't help but hope the next James Bond just has a "normal" healthy, reasonably fit body, like all the Bonds before Craig. Wit, courage and grit made Bond admirable, not the unrealistically jacked physique.
I was watching Dr No and thought Connery and Andress would not be cast today. Both look healthy in the piece-but not ripped beyond belief. Casting wouldn't have it.
Doubt it. Although I'd love to see a female James Bond. Just to see if/how they could pull it off. It would make for some great analysis on gender roles, sexuality, etc.
@@cooluser23 If they make James Bond a woman, it is no longer James Bond. It would interesting to see how they do it but the series would flop imo. People need to stop rewriting fictional characters to push a political ideology.
I honestly don't see how Craig was ever unnecessarily jacked.
Have you ever watched a James Bond movie? Have you not seen the way Sean Conery or Roger Moore looked like when they were playing Bond? They looked like normal men but in the tux man.