Open Fortress and Team Fortress 2 Classic were taken down a while back, and were allowed back up. If I had to guess, it's a similar reason of reusing code/assets from the games like with OF and TF2C, or at the very least I hope that's the reason. They may be helping the projects behind the scenes to be "made proper." As much as it makes little sense for them, it's also just the corporate thing to do to protect their assets. OF and TF2C are up and running just fine still, even after being taken down by Valve. Most we can do is wait and see Okay so, quick edit. I just found out what happened to Portal 64. Turns out Valve asked the creator if he could try and rewrite it without using Nintendo's proprietary library, and instead the free N64 Standard Library, because they didn't wanna get in trouble with Nintendo for his project. He said he couldn't, and that he'll close the project instead so that neither of them get in trouble. Wasn't a DMCA, and they weren't trying to take down the project, just trying to have it in a state where it couldn't get either side into legal trouble with Nintendo
I think the last part proved Valve hasn't changed yet, both takedowns had a reason, tf2s2 was on s&box which isn't allowed to use Valve assets and it was still allowed by Garry on the platform despite them not being supposed to allow that, what happened to Portal 64 wasn't even a DMCA if what you said is true and it just sounds like Valve fears Nintendo
I saw on patreon a discussion about using libdragon instead He said he'd consider it if Valve agrees to allow him to do that since he wants to make sure it'll be worth the effort before making the big jump.
These projects weren't allowed to be backed up. Creators of TF2C had an e-mail correspondence with Valve and at some point Gaben ghosted them. After months of not getting any response from Valve, they decided to put back their download links.
Valve is allowing AI generated content in games; HOWEVER, the store page must disclose what exactly is AI generated in detail, the AI content of said game cannot contain copyright infringement, only specific AI tools are allowed, and any game containing AI infringement content can be reported with a new report button. I believe Valve has always not had too much of a problem with AI but initially banned AI out of panic of potential legal issues since they had no written policies on it. I’m putting this out there because I’ve seen a few reddit posts and channels completely spreading misinformation about this to drum up drama.
AI is a very wide term too (but I'm supposed we're speaking of AGI since real AI isn't a thing yet), but all in all I do approve of the decision since there's some good use for it, like "Suck Up" wich uses AI for better interactive dialogues.
Accepting random community items/maps into the game for massive profits ain't that "community friendly", if they actually cared they would communicate once in a while
>Valve >community-friendly >forgets how valve tried making a store for workshop mods (obviously with % of money going to them) >valve milks tf2 using community content >valve milks cs:go/cs2 using community content
I really hope it’s something big and nothing negative. Tf2 still has a lot of dedicated fans like us and they can’t just dump the game like it’s nothing. People have spent thousand of dollars, thousands of hours to get to where they are today and then valve just deletes it out of thin air. Knowing valve hopefully cross my fingers it won’t happen but I’ve got a good feeling something big is in the works.
I dont think valve would ever unplug Tf2, simply for the reason that it still generates an absurd amount of money through crates, keys, Mvm tickets and taunts
@@nosodiumsalt Valve would literally have sub zero IQ if they were to pull the plug on tf2. The game hasn't gotten a proper non seasonal update in years and yet players still cling onto the game. Even then TF2 is probably the most recognizable valve property due to memes and it's impact in internet culture. Like sure dota is still popular but dota feels like the "James Cameron's Avatar" of gaming as everyone knows what it is but you can't name anyone from it. Any other company would kill to have a fanbase as dedicated as tf2
Valve is doing something very strange. I have a friend with a somewhat small UA-cam channel. His most popular video *was* contractor’s VR, since they have a mod for Tf2 in VR. That video was up for several months and had almost 11,000 views. Valve struck it down with copyright rather recently, and when he tried to appeal it they told him to pound sand.
Exact but for his defense, the "vanilla" version we got with the "new update" is probably closer to the 2009-2010 version of TF2 (like Pyro have airblast, Engineer can move his buildings, etc...)
Takedowns on fanmade mods, item servers down for over 24 hours? I'd say this *might* be pointing to some big thing with TF2, but I fear that Valve's just become more cranky and even lazier and just haven't gotten around to fixing any issues.
it's a little understandable comparing the TF2 source 2 to CSGO source 2 take down, but what about Portal 64? Obviously they aren't gonna make a Portal port to the N64, so something must've happened at Valve
@@bionicseaserpent It wasn't a Nintendo strike, it was a Valve strike. They likely did it because Nintendo had gone after Valve in the past for (I think) having the Dolphin emulator on Steam, so they probably took down Portal64 before Nintendo could go after them for it.
@@sansationalgaming8420 We don't know if Nintendo said anything to Valve about this. I don't find it very likely that Nintendo wouldn't immediately go public with it if they did know. I think it's the potential threat of the Nintendo Ninjas that made Valve act preemptively.
According to another commenter (DJBaphomet) Valve asked the person behind it if they could stop using Nintendo proprietary library, since they didn't want to get in trouble for it, the person said they couldn't so they took it down so that neither of them got in trouble. Edit: When I said 'they took it down' I meant the person behind it, not Valve
tbh i think the reason is its the same thing with different visuals companys mostly do that when they are the same game (i think it happened with steelwool too)
call a duck a duck. i believe that Valve culture has changed and not for the better. we should see this worrying signs when they took the tf2 source mods year (or years) ago.
Yeah, I love Valve's games and how talented the Source community is, but it's like everyone is brainwashed to believe they can't be scummy just because they aren't publicly traded. Nintendo takes harmless fan projects down -> "Nintendo is the devil, they're terrible, they hate their fans!" Valve takes harmless fan projects down -> "Erm actually it's 100% justified, they were ripping assets!! Valve did nothing wrong!!"
When a company is worshipped by a community as if it was some sort of deity for the better part of two decades, things like this happen. When you can do no wrong, why do anything right?
As someone who as bought 2 Steam Decks. And who's had an Account with them for 7 Years. And as someone who was Previously very Pro-Nintendo. BEFORE AM2R. After, ive not spent a cent for an Eon. Valve is not a Deity. Gabe Newell is. Valve makes Mistakes. Gabe explains why, how, when, and where they made mistakes. Apologizes. And then trys to make it up to you. Personally. Gabe has said: "theres only about 10,000 people on the Planet that has what it takes to work at Valve." A few Devs, maybe some Legal Counselors saw somthing *could* flair up. And took preventitive Measures. Why wouldn't valve *Themselves* NOT want you to say... Emulate a Nintendo Switch on their Hardware. They litterallt had to pull down a Video because Nintendo got pissed off that in OFFICAL VALVE NEWS VIDEOS showed off A Nintendo Switch Emulator on the Library Screen! The Devs had, im willing to bet. The LEAST to do with the decision-making process here. And I fully expect a small Valve Press Release soon.
I seriously hope it's not something bad, i just had fun trying out enginner and swithching between stock and battle engi and then the next day loadout is not available.
I imagine it's because more of a "Hey, we've got an official version of this. You don't need that anymore." move instead of "GRR YOU MADE CONTENT ABOUT OUR GAME GRR"
I feel like people need to stop taking these things at face value and actually do a bit of research. In actuality, this isn't quite as bad as people think. TF2S2 was taken down because S&Box only had the rights to the engine but not to TF2 itself. Garry Newman even said a takedown was expected. As for Portal 64, Valve had contacted the creator and asked him to stop using Nintendo's proprietary libraries and the creator said no. He then decided to take down the project (the creator of Portal 64, not Valve) so that neither himself nor Valve would get in trouble with Nintendo. I'm not sure if Valve ever forced him to take it down in any way. It's clear that Valve still very much supports fan created content (as evidence by Portal: Revolution) and I don't think this is the start of a new trend where Valve will start taking down fan projects.
The reason they took down Portal 64 is because it contained Libraries owned by Nintendo and they likely didn’t wanna get involved with their legal team.
they didnt take it down themselves but they ask the maker of it about how Nintendo might do some shit if they continued and the maker was more concerned with Nintendo than valve
The tf2 source 2 used official tf2 assets which has never been allowed by valve. The portal project included both valve assets and Nintendo libraries which was why it was taken down. The same reason they rejected dolphin on steam.
@@mechadeka that makes no sense. If it’s assets ported from another game for use in a mod on a different game, then there are features to facilitate takedowns by the company that owns those assets
@@mechadeka they don't have permission to port something and use official tf2 assets without transforming the game/assets the workshop has nothing to do with this
Is every tf2 fan stupid? watching the outrage on this one been great tbh “why is volvo taking down my heckin modders, they're just wholesale taking Valve's assets and porting them to S&box, a sandbox game by a third party with an explicit do NOT port Valve assets to our game line in their Terms of Service. I just don't get why they'd do this???” Like the terms of service of the thing they used literally said dont use valve things 😂
Whenever a company removes something. It either means it’s happening or it’s canon. Like when meatcanyon’s rabbit season video was removed. It’s canonical. So this COULD mean that valve is making a S2 port. Or they’re becoming Nintendo
I hate to be the party pooper for everyone innocently thinking tf2 will get an official Valve port to s2 but someone has to say it You haven't had a proper major update in almost 2300 days You have like 2 people in total working on the game and only thing you get is community made maps, community made content, and minor map fixes No effort from Valve to even fix the already occurring issues Yet for some reason you think that they will take time to port the entire game AND deal with new bugs and exploits s2 will bring, they haven't even done that with cs2, that game actually has an active development team and it's in an absolutely awful state rn Valve hasn't cared at all about what happens to tf2 so far, so there is absolutely no reason for them to start caring all of a sudden and make these big changes, the fan made tf2 s2 project has been DMCA'd because they used tf2 assets in sandbox without permission, it's taken down for a good reason, not cuz Valve cares about making a port of their own
Wrong. Tf2 had the summer update, and the smissmas update. Which actually added some new content into the game (and allowed the usage of vscripts for servers). Even if valve’s employees are working on other projects, there’s no doubt they might make a source 2 port or sequel to team fortress (but are playing it careful).
@@Dr.Oofers you mean COMMUNITY created gamemodes that they simply shipped into officials, ones that you already had access to thru the community server browser?
I legit either a. Some CFO did some bad stuff and only recently joined in 2024. b. they had a new bot for youtube and it just went crazy. c. Valve closed the projects so they could talk to them personally about making them official. Sadly the silence is deafening, hopefully all will be revealed in time and even more hopeful, it's not valve's turn to go bad like a lot of companies seem to do these days...
My guess is that they took it down cos they were thinking about doing a source 2 port, but then like an hour later they were like naw let's drop this and do something else without allowing the original creators to re upload the prefect. Either that or they got a new legal team that's taking stuff super seriously in regards to fan projects and the like
I got copyright striked like a month ago I believe. My tf2 in vr video which was just contractors modded with tf2 guns and maps, I got striked for playing a game that the modders apparently stole assets from valve, and my video got removed just because I recorded the game. I don’t get how they can just do that.
name of that scout overhaul? it looks sick as fuck if they actually planning to release tf2 in source 2 im really hoping the guys they dmca atleast get some kind of reward because imagine everyone praise the oficial source 2 but the people who wanted to do it just get forgotten and wasted their time and life
Garry Newman also tweeted that S&Box (how TF2S2 was played) only had rights to the engine and NOT Valve's IPs so it wasn't surprising to him that this happened.
but then again, they took down Portal 64. I don’t think this really means Valve is working on some TF2, that or they’re working on a Portal too, which I doubt
It sucks tf2 source 2 got taken down in the way that it did, but tbh I think its for the better. They were pretty much making an alternative to tf2 and they were also going to open source it. Could have split up the community a bit with portions of the community wanting to play on tf2 source 2 instead, and imagine if anyone had and could use the source code of tf2, lots could make cool projects based off it sure, but then someone could make tf2 a alternative with cool features locked behind paywalls. It was a cool project and It sucks this is how the dev team got shut down, but idk if their project would have done a whole lot of good.
Wait what is this AI statement thing? I'm not against playing AI-generated games, but allowing to share these on Steam would mean one-man-armies flooding the store with random yet pro-looking stuff, discouraging real studios to commit to the gamble of spending their time on a game, against such unfair competition. AI also seemingly only takes from what already exists. While this happens to be the trend for AAA games as well, not only would there be a heck ton of games, but at the same time, none of them would push the medium any further. And I don't talk about all the space this trashware would take on Valve servers.
I really hope TF2 isnt forced into source 2 like CSGO was. I can’t play source 2 on my computer so it would kick a lot of players out of their favorite game.
the projects valve took down were either in risk from nintendo, or were taking tf2s assets. a port is not a mod, a port is directly taking a game n putting it somewhere else, so taking all the assets-
well they'd have to fix the issues themselves, all the while porting the game, and fixing errors from the ports. In short, it would be like remaking tf2 all over again...
@@me67galaxylife they managed to do it to csgo, I don't see why they wouldn't be able to do the same to TF2. Also is cs2 they standardized grenade throws by making it a feature instead of a bind, this can be brought to TF2 to make something like trickstabs an actual mechanic acknowledged by the game.
I really hope this isn’t true moving forward I honestly like valve over any other gaming company because they were not this type of company to be so obnoxious like that. Honestly 2024’s starting of with bad news after bad news after even worse news so far.
Remember, Valve has absolutely no problem with mods and fan games. TF2S2 was NOT a mod but a full recreation using assets that they didn't have the rights to.
it funny how valve allow to use fan game like portal revolution black mesa and entropy zero 2 however they take down tf2 source 2 because they already said valve still never care tf2
They have guidelines for AI games, so at least there’s that. The portal64 was taken down by the dev after valve approached them and stated that they shouldn’t use Nintendo’s assets/library, to which the dev refused/stated that they couldn’t. As for the source2 port, from my understanding, someone was porting it using/to S&Box, which only had legal access to use the source2 engine. Apparently, Valve’s terms of service state that you can’t use their assets (unless you’re modding one of their games). Someone said that the stuff they were porting was from leaks/source-code leaks, though I don’t think there’s been any confirmation of this, but it’d make sense. Someone also said that valve must’ve hired a new legal team, which is why they’re cracking down on a lot of these. One person in these comments claimed they got copyright strikes for having (a) video(s) playing through a mod that apparently used assets from leaks. I’d say something’s up with the people handling Valve’s business and legal side.
1:02 i want to believe but that too much copium for me. also cs2 is a lesser game compared to csgo in terms of contents (in years that will not be a problem). also i believe that the s2 port even if it will be amazing for tf2 on many levels. i am too worried about the butchering of tf2 artstyle (talking on lighting and how were the models of tf2 mercs look wired in s2)
Portal 64 was less of a "don't make fan game pls" type of take down and more of a "We want to let you know that nintendo might take a big ol' pee on us for letting you use their proprietary stuff in the way you're using it, so maybe you could use the free stuff that you can use instead" type of take down
Cmon man Valve didn’t take down Portal 64 the creator did after Valve asked them to do so to avoid legal trouble with Nintendo! Stop spreading misinformation!
@@shagarumedic The creator took down Portal 64 because Valve told him = Valve took it down. It's the same thing, because if he wouldn't take it down they would still send him a DMCA
@@goluboch Stop making the situation seem worse than it was. It was in both the creator and Valve’s best interest to take down the mod, since the mod couldn’t be developed without Nintendo taking issue with it.
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Open Fortress and Team Fortress 2 Classic were taken down a while back, and were allowed back up. If I had to guess, it's a similar reason of reusing code/assets from the games like with OF and TF2C, or at the very least I hope that's the reason. They may be helping the projects behind the scenes to be "made proper." As much as it makes little sense for them, it's also just the corporate thing to do to protect their assets.
OF and TF2C are up and running just fine still, even after being taken down by Valve. Most we can do is wait and see
Okay so, quick edit. I just found out what happened to Portal 64. Turns out Valve asked the creator if he could try and rewrite it without using Nintendo's proprietary library, and instead the free N64 Standard Library, because they didn't wanna get in trouble with Nintendo for his project. He said he couldn't, and that he'll close the project instead so that neither of them get in trouble. Wasn't a DMCA, and they weren't trying to take down the project, just trying to have it in a state where it couldn't get either side into legal trouble with Nintendo
I think the last part proved Valve hasn't changed yet, both takedowns had a reason, tf2s2 was on s&box which isn't allowed to use Valve assets and it was still allowed by Garry on the platform despite them not being supposed to allow that, what happened to Portal 64 wasn't even a DMCA if what you said is true and it just sounds like Valve fears Nintendo
I saw on patreon a discussion about using libdragon instead
He said he'd consider it if Valve agrees to allow him to do that since he wants to make sure it'll be worth the effort before making the big jump.
This should be pinned, a lot of fearmongering going on for nothing.
These projects weren't allowed to be backed up. Creators of TF2C had an e-mail correspondence with Valve and at some point Gaben ghosted them. After months of not getting any response from Valve, they decided to put back their download links.
@@ChrisEggII if that was the case, did they ever recontact VALVe?
Valve is allowing AI generated content in games; HOWEVER, the store page must disclose what exactly is AI generated in detail, the AI content of said game cannot contain copyright infringement, only specific AI tools are allowed, and any game containing AI infringement content can be reported with a new report button. I believe Valve has always not had too much of a problem with AI but initially banned AI out of panic of potential legal issues since they had no written policies on it. I’m putting this out there because I’ve seen a few reddit posts and channels completely spreading misinformation about this to drum up drama.
AI is a very wide term too (but I'm supposed we're speaking of AGI since real AI isn't a thing yet), but all in all I do approve of the decision since there's some good use for it, like "Suck Up" wich uses AI for better interactive dialogues.
i mean its going to be almost impossible to moderate
AI is overhated, and I am saying that even as someone who sees the scary things AI can change
Problem is what if the developers that use AI are from a country that won’t enforce copyrighted laws like China, Russia, or some African nation?
Valve's been incredibly community-friendly so pulling a move like this seems off.
I think they might be making their own source 2 port
"incredibly community-friendly"
Hah! hahahahaha! Ohh good one
Accepting random community items/maps into the game for massive profits ain't that "community friendly", if they actually cared they would communicate once in a while
>Valve
>community-friendly
>forgets how valve tried making a store for workshop mods (obviously with % of money going to them)
>valve milks tf2 using community content
>valve milks cs:go/cs2 using community content
I really hope it’s something big and nothing negative. Tf2 still has a lot of dedicated fans like us and they can’t just dump the game like it’s nothing. People have spent thousand of dollars, thousands of hours to get to where they are today and then valve just deletes it out of thin air.
Knowing valve hopefully cross my fingers it won’t happen but I’ve got a good feeling something big is in the works.
I dont think valve would ever unplug Tf2, simply for the reason that it still generates an absurd amount of money through crates, keys, Mvm tickets and taunts
@@nosodiumsalt Valve would literally have sub zero IQ if they were to pull the plug on tf2. The game hasn't gotten a proper non seasonal update in years and yet players still cling onto the game. Even then TF2 is probably the most recognizable valve property due to memes and it's impact in internet culture. Like sure dota is still popular but dota feels like the "James Cameron's Avatar" of gaming as everyone knows what it is but you can't name anyone from it. Any other company would kill to have a fanbase as dedicated as tf2
Nah all they want is to players continue buying hats in regular tf2
"they cant dump the game like it's nothing"
oh yeah they definitely can, did you forget Valve owns Steam itself?
@@nosodiumsalt Valve have the Steam Shop. Thats more than enough money to keep Valve alive and thriving.
So much is happening this year already
For real
Valve is doing something very strange. I have a friend with a somewhat small UA-cam channel. His most popular video *was* contractor’s VR, since they have a mod for Tf2 in VR. That video was up for several months and had almost 11,000 views. Valve struck it down with copyright rather recently, and when he tried to appeal it they told him to pound sand.
they did not have permission to port tf2 nor use tf2's official assets
1:58
TF2 wasn't released in 2009, it was released in 2007.
Exact but for his defense, the "vanilla" version we got with the "new update" is probably closer to the 2009-2010 version of TF2 (like Pyro have airblast, Engineer can move his buildings, etc...)
@@NFGUN1Texactly
Takedowns on fanmade mods, item servers down for over 24 hours? I'd say this *might* be pointing to some big thing with TF2, but I fear that Valve's just become more cranky and even lazier and just haven't gotten around to fixing any issues.
Valve become the laziest video game company lol
@@jaebinsong3078right up there with Mojang
@@FursonaIdentityCrisis bruh
I haven't touched tf2 in 6 years and will continue to refuse to open it until either the game dies or valve gives the game to another studio
They’ve already gave the game to a team of fans apparently, same with L4D2.
Valve is using up all their goodwill and soon will become a shell of its former self
It already has. Valve is a shell, nothing more.
Counter Strike 2 is a great example of this. They're honestly no better than EA at this point.
it's a little understandable comparing the TF2 source 2 to CSGO source 2 take down, but what about Portal 64? Obviously they aren't gonna make a Portal port to the N64, so something must've happened at Valve
not valve, nintendo. they used Nintendo owned tools to make it run on real hardware. so nintendo struck
@@bionicseaserpent It wasn't a Nintendo strike, it was a Valve strike. They likely did it because Nintendo had gone after Valve in the past for (I think) having the Dolphin emulator on Steam, so they probably took down Portal64 before Nintendo could go after them for it.
@@cheezkid2689Nintendo Ninjas had gaben at blade point
@@sansationalgaming8420 We don't know if Nintendo said anything to Valve about this. I don't find it very likely that Nintendo wouldn't immediately go public with it if they did know. I think it's the potential threat of the Nintendo Ninjas that made Valve act preemptively.
According to another commenter (DJBaphomet) Valve asked the person behind it if they could stop using Nintendo proprietary library, since they didn't want to get in trouble for it, the person said they couldn't so they took it down so that neither of them got in trouble.
Edit: When I said 'they took it down' I meant the person behind it, not Valve
tbh i think the reason is its the same thing with different visuals companys mostly do that when they are the same game (i think it happened with steelwool too)
call a duck a duck. i believe that Valve culture has changed and not for the better. we should see this worrying signs when they took the tf2 source mods year (or years) ago.
Yeah, I love Valve's games and how talented the Source community is, but it's like everyone is brainwashed to believe they can't be scummy just because they aren't publicly traded.
Nintendo takes harmless fan projects down -> "Nintendo is the devil, they're terrible, they hate their fans!"
Valve takes harmless fan projects down -> "Erm actually it's 100% justified, they were ripping assets!! Valve did nothing wrong!!"
@@SnrubSourcewell it is illegal
I kinda liked the item server being down thing as it was a fun change of pace but I’m glad it’s fixed now.
When a company is worshipped by a community as if it was some sort of deity for the better part of two decades, things like this happen. When you can do no wrong, why do anything right?
Nintendo already has done this for years. A good reminder to have healthy skepticism towards any company
As someone who as bought 2 Steam Decks. And who's had an Account with them for 7 Years.
And as someone who was Previously very Pro-Nintendo. BEFORE AM2R. After, ive not spent a cent for an Eon.
Valve is not a Deity. Gabe Newell is.
Valve makes Mistakes. Gabe explains why, how, when, and where they made mistakes. Apologizes. And then trys to make it up to you. Personally.
Gabe has said: "theres only about 10,000 people on the Planet that has what it takes to work at Valve."
A few Devs, maybe some Legal Counselors saw somthing *could* flair up. And took preventitive Measures.
Why wouldn't valve *Themselves* NOT want you to say... Emulate a Nintendo Switch on their Hardware.
They litterallt had to pull down a Video because Nintendo got pissed off that in OFFICAL VALVE NEWS VIDEOS showed off A Nintendo Switch Emulator on the Library Screen!
The Devs had, im willing to bet. The LEAST to do with the decision-making process here.
And I fully expect a small Valve Press Release soon.
@@boxylemons7961tears of the kingdom kinda fractured Nintendos reputation recently
happy stock week everyone!
TFSOURCE2! THE TFSOURCE2 MIGHT BE REEEEEEEAL!
most probably not, but we can hope
We can always dream
No
I seriously hope it's not something bad, i just had fun trying out enginner and swithching between stock and battle engi and then the next day loadout is not available.
Proud of you broski keep it up as always
dont forget their earlier tf2 fan project shut downs (eg: team fortress 2 classic)
Tf2 had weapons in 2009. The first weapons and hats were added in 2008.
Don't give us hope. Please we're dry already, we don't need more key-chain of hope wiggling into our face like desperate kitten.
1:51 This glitch made tf2 100% better than most cosmetic and map creator today
Valve decided to give zesty jesus his heaven
@@KannaTheGamer not just him, mostly 65% of tf2 fans a break for there eyeballs
What's odd is that items seemed to be working on one of the servers I play on yesterday.
valve has been genuinely tweaking recently
Knowing Valve, that's more likely a temporary takedown
Only time can tell, they are a very secretive company. The most we can do is hope for the best.
The man himself uploaded ❤
I imagine it's because more of a "Hey, we've got an official version of this. You don't need that anymore." move instead of "GRR YOU MADE CONTENT ABOUT OUR GAME GRR"
I feel like people need to stop taking these things at face value and actually do a bit of research. In actuality, this isn't quite as bad as people think. TF2S2 was taken down because S&Box only had the rights to the engine but not to TF2 itself. Garry Newman even said a takedown was expected. As for Portal 64, Valve had contacted the creator and asked him to stop using Nintendo's proprietary libraries and the creator said no. He then decided to take down the project (the creator of Portal 64, not Valve) so that neither himself nor Valve would get in trouble with Nintendo. I'm not sure if Valve ever forced him to take it down in any way. It's clear that Valve still very much supports fan created content (as evidence by Portal: Revolution) and I don't think this is the start of a new trend where Valve will start taking down fan projects.
The reason they took down Portal 64 is because it contained Libraries owned by Nintendo and they likely didn’t wanna get involved with their legal team.
they didnt take it down themselves but they ask the maker of it about how Nintendo might do some shit if they continued and the maker was more concerned with Nintendo than valve
Eh I kinda hope tf2 won't get ported to source 2, cuz I probably won't be able to run it then
One can hope. One can hope...
The tf2 source 2 used official tf2 assets which has never been allowed by valve. The portal project included both valve assets and Nintendo libraries which was why it was taken down. The same reason they rejected dolphin on steam.
what about payday 2? it uses csgo and l4d2 assets
@@1758yeah, with license. S&box doesn’t have one.
Do you have any idea how many game assets are used without permission in the Steam workshop?
Weird how they suddenly care now. Really makes you think.
@@mechadeka that makes no sense. If it’s assets ported from another game for use in a mod on a different game, then there are features to facilitate takedowns by the company that owns those assets
@@mechadeka they don't have permission to port something and use official tf2 assets without transforming the game/assets
the workshop has nothing to do with this
Real shit though, I played a lot of MVM during the time the item servers were down. It was certainly harder, but in my opinion it was way more fun.
What are your Reanims? (I NEED IT SO BAD)
i may be a copium addict but what IF, you know, what IF
1:34 they didn't do anything. Those fixes are community-made, at least for the maps.
1:57 It released in 2007, not 2009.
What weapon animations are you using?
Is every tf2 fan stupid?
watching the outrage on this one been great tbh “why is volvo taking down my heckin modders, they're just wholesale taking Valve's assets and porting them to S&box, a sandbox game by a third party with an explicit do NOT port Valve assets to our game line in their Terms of Service. I just don't get why they'd do this???” Like the terms of service of the thing they used literally said dont use valve things 😂
tbf i can see why they'd take down the portal port, they probably just wanted to avoid issues with nintendo like what they did with dolphin on steam
Whenever a company removes something. It either means it’s happening or it’s canon. Like when meatcanyon’s rabbit season video was removed. It’s canonical. So this COULD mean that valve is making a S2 port. Or they’re becoming Nintendo
I hate to be the party pooper for everyone innocently thinking tf2 will get an official Valve port to s2 but someone has to say it
You haven't had a proper major update in almost 2300 days
You have like 2 people in total working on the game and only thing you get is community made maps, community made content, and minor map fixes
No effort from Valve to even fix the already occurring issues
Yet for some reason you think that they will take time to port the entire game AND deal with new bugs and exploits s2 will bring, they haven't even done that with cs2, that game actually has an active development team and it's in an absolutely awful state rn
Valve hasn't cared at all about what happens to tf2 so far, so there is absolutely no reason for them to start caring all of a sudden and make these big changes, the fan made tf2 s2 project has been DMCA'd because they used tf2 assets in sandbox without permission, it's taken down for a good reason, not cuz Valve cares about making a port of their own
Wrong.
Tf2 had the summer update, and the smissmas update. Which actually added some new content into the game (and allowed the usage of vscripts for servers).
Even if valve’s employees are working on other projects, there’s no doubt they might make a source 2 port or sequel to team fortress (but are playing it careful).
@@Dr.Oofers summer update be like
2 Additions
2.1 Maps
2.2 Cosmetic items
2.3 War Paints
2.4 Summer 2023 Collection
2.5 Taunts
2.6 Tools
smissmas update be like
2 Additions
2.1 Maps
2.2 Cosmetic items
2.3 Taunts
2.4 Tools
it did literally nothing
@@kal9069 You’re forgetting the new gamemodes.
I forgot to mention the zombie gamemode they added during the Halloween update.
@@Dr.Oofers you mean COMMUNITY created gamemodes that they simply shipped into officials, ones that you already had access to thru the community server browser?
I think the reasoning for the take down was that the team was accepting funds and donations like patron
They took it down because they want to make their TF2 casino run. Money, money, money, ...
I legit either a. Some CFO did some bad stuff and only recently joined in 2024. b. they had a new bot for youtube and it just went crazy. c. Valve closed the projects so they could talk to them personally about making them official.
Sadly the silence is deafening, hopefully all will be revealed in time and even more hopeful, it's not valve's turn to go bad like a lot of companies seem to do these days...
Im not 100 percent sure the Portal N64 take down was entirely Valve
Didn't they took down Open Fortress and TF2 Classic a few years ago too? I know those projects came back but still
what scout reanimation pack is he using?
My guess is that they took it down cos they were thinking about doing a source 2 port, but then like an hour later they were like naw let's drop this and do something else without allowing the original creators to re upload the prefect. Either that or they got a new legal team that's taking stuff super seriously in regards to fan projects and the like
The TF2 item server has been down 3 day now.
remember when valve said somthing along the lines "we hear you tf2" or some shit and the 2 years passed without a major update
they added some of the unusal effects in cs2 they might be working on something
I'm saddend by the work of the modders being taken down, but I'm hopeful for why they did it
They broke the TOS lmao, no biggie
I got copyright striked like a month ago I believe. My tf2 in vr video which was just contractors modded with tf2 guns and maps, I got striked for playing a game that the modders apparently stole assets from valve, and my video got removed just because I recorded the game. I don’t get how they can just do that.
I will say on the AI thing.
Valve just didn't know about the legality of ai generated game originally, and wanted to avoid getting into legal trouble
Omg Freddy’s back
Strange things are happing to my team
name of that scout overhaul? it looks sick as fuck if they actually planning to release tf2 in source 2 im really hoping the guys they dmca atleast get some kind of reward because imagine everyone praise the oficial source 2 but the people who wanted to do it just get forgotten and wasted their time and life
If they make TF2 only source 2 im gonna get really mad because i cant run source 2 on my crappy computer.
Also we are stuck to stock for some reason
They took down TF2S2 because it imported TF2 assets into S2, which violates valve's IP
Garry Newman also tweeted that S&Box (how TF2S2 was played) only had rights to the engine and NOT Valve's IPs so it wasn't surprising to him that this happened.
this is a good thing valve is getting bad press
but then again, they took down Portal 64. I don’t think this really means Valve is working on some TF2, that or they’re working on a Portal too, which I doubt
oh Valve no, what happend. we can't no longer have load items "oh c'est pas bon signe"
yes, they will add those games to source 2
Man they even stopped the use of items crazy new feature am I right
It sucks tf2 source 2 got taken down in the way that it did, but tbh I think its for the better. They were pretty much making an alternative to tf2 and they were also going to open source it. Could have split up the community a bit with portions of the community wanting to play on tf2 source 2 instead, and imagine if anyone had and could use the source code of tf2, lots could make cool projects based off it sure, but then someone could make tf2 a alternative with cool features locked behind paywalls. It was a cool project and It sucks this is how the dev team got shut down, but idk if their project would have done a whole lot of good.
Not all players cannot play without items, saw yesterday One guy on entire server playing with kritzcrig
Valve pulled a Nintendo
soooo... anyone else haveing problems with the item servers being down for the past 3 days?
maybe this is why they haven't made any major updates to the game, (maybe) they are making a source 2 port?
There is no chance thats happening, it would be a miracle if that was the case.
Valve make me go grrrahhhh
loadout connection
If I had a nickel for everytime I heard VALVe pull a Nintendo, I'd have 3 nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird it happened thrice
Wait what is this AI statement thing?
I'm not against playing AI-generated games, but allowing to share these on Steam would mean one-man-armies flooding the store with random yet pro-looking stuff, discouraging real studios to commit to the gamble of spending their time on a game, against such unfair competition.
AI also seemingly only takes from what already exists. While this happens to be the trend for AAA games as well, not only would there be a heck ton of games, but at the same time, none of them would push the medium any further. And I don't talk about all the space this trashware would take on Valve servers.
I really hope TF2 isnt forced into source 2 like CSGO was. I can’t play source 2 on my computer so it would kick a lot of players out of their favorite game.
if this happened then I think there would be two versions of TF2
@@Stalinum1 why would they? They took down CSGO when 2 came out
@@poorlydrawnwizard idk this is just my guess, maybe someday they will restore the item server and everything will be ok
the projects valve took down were either in risk from nintendo, or were taking tf2s assets.
a port is not a mod, a port is directly taking a game n putting it somewhere else, so taking all the assets-
Just hope they don’t come after the TF2 vr mod for contractors
Tf2 s2 in the works maybe?
"I does make me kind of think that valve is at least interested in doing with TF2"
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
correction: item servers are still down
valve had a drunk party and then did allat, you cant tell me all of these things were concious decisions
Yeah cause Copyright isn't a thing am i right?😒🙄
Let's be honest, porting tf2 to source 2 would fix a lot of issues and allow for the devs to fix what's wrong with more ease
well they'd have to fix the issues themselves, all the while porting the game, and fixing errors from the ports. In short, it would be like remaking tf2 all over again...
@@me67galaxylife they managed to do it to csgo, I don't see why they wouldn't be able to do the same to TF2.
Also is cs2 they standardized grenade throws by making it a feature instead of a bind, this can be brought to TF2 to make something like trickstabs an actual mechanic acknowledged by the game.
@@savioar2743 CS:GO for one had tons more attention from valve, for two it wasn't nearly as complicated, bugged and spaghetti coded
@@me67galaxylife I'm just saying, they can do it
@@savioar2743 yeaa, example trickstabs icons in kill feed
Aimbots and Hackers with Broken game: Valve Sleeps
Someone made a mod/fan game on TF2: *Goes on Full Alert*
I really hope this isn’t true moving forward I honestly like valve over any other gaming company because they were not this type of company to be so obnoxious like that.
Honestly 2024’s starting of with bad news after bad news after even worse news so far.
@@Roonie.. every single year started with bad news
Remember, Valve has absolutely no problem with mods and fan games. TF2S2 was NOT a mod but a full recreation using assets that they didn't have the rights to.
well no more dead ringer, amby and kunai spys so ig thats good
So they care enough to take down fan projects that could lose them money, but not enough to make sure a fucking server works?
The source 2 port was illegal
good. you deserve it
it funny how valve allow to use fan game like portal revolution black mesa and entropy zero 2 however they take down tf2 source 2 because they already said valve still never care tf2
it's not just about tf2s2. they also took down a portal 64 demake and are starting to allow AI games on steam.
something is wrong at valve.
They have guidelines for AI games, so at least there’s that.
The portal64 was taken down by the dev after valve approached them and stated that they shouldn’t use Nintendo’s assets/library, to which the dev refused/stated that they couldn’t.
As for the source2 port, from my understanding, someone was porting it using/to S&Box, which only had legal access to use the source2 engine. Apparently, Valve’s terms of service state that you can’t use their assets (unless you’re modding one of their games). Someone said that the stuff they were porting was from leaks/source-code leaks, though I don’t think there’s been any confirmation of this, but it’d make sense.
Someone also said that valve must’ve hired a new legal team, which is why they’re cracking down on a lot of these. One person in these comments claimed they got copyright strikes for having (a) video(s) playing through a mod that apparently used assets from leaks.
I’d say something’s up with the people handling Valve’s business and legal side.
Valve took down tf2 s2 because they took tf2 source code that was leaked, it is illegal and it logical for valve to do that.
this is tf2 if it was realesed in 2007 but whit no likin park
Just here to spread awareness but they also took down a tf2 vr port that was a nonprofit mod. It was the best vr game out there.
TF source 2 was also non profit.
1:02 i want to believe but that too much copium for me. also cs2 is a lesser game compared to csgo in terms of contents (in years that will not be a problem). also i believe that the s2 port even if it will be amazing for tf2 on many levels. i am too worried about the butchering of tf2 artstyle (talking on lighting and how were the models of tf2 mercs look wired in s2)
good
Valve is doing this without control from parent companies. This is such a weird thing, honestly. If valve turns bad, the AAA gamjng industry is over.
HOPIUM!!!
Valve stopped caring. They took down Portal 64 as well, I doubt they are going to port Portal on Nintendo 64
Portal 64 was less of a "don't make fan game pls" type of take down and more of a "We want to let you know that nintendo might take a big ol' pee on us for letting you use their proprietary stuff in the way you're using it, so maybe you could use the free stuff that you can use instead" type of take down
Cmon man Valve didn’t take down Portal 64 the creator did after Valve asked them to do so to avoid legal trouble with Nintendo! Stop spreading misinformation!
@@shagarumedic The creator took down Portal 64 because Valve told him = Valve took it down. It's the same thing, because if he wouldn't take it down they would still send him a DMCA
They had asked them to use the freely available N64 library so neither side would be in legal trouble with Nintendo. @@goluboch
@@goluboch Stop making the situation seem worse than it was. It was in both the creator and Valve’s best interest to take down the mod, since the mod couldn’t be developed without Nintendo taking issue with it.
3 DAYS!!! still not fixed
PORTAL64 NOOOOOOOOOO
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