The Mistake All Beginner Songwriters Make (and how to avoid it!)

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  • @olivarionline
    @olivarionline Рік тому +357

    These days I simply do it the other way round. I write whatever I have on my mind without thinking about neither the song, rhymes, meters nor structures. I write sentences, lines, phrases, words, paragraphs, quotes and sometimes I even paste parts or articles or interviews or anything related to the topic/theme I'm exploring. After I've written everything that I have on my mind I start looking for phrases from what I wrote that might be the title or the chorus and see what internal rhythm they have that can give to the song. And then move on from there - a kind of jigsaw puzzle with whatever I have - sometimes I add more + end up not using half the things I wrote (but still useful to sort ideas and not forget stuff). I have pages of these info dumps that seem like good ideas but haven't managed to turn into songs yet 😂 I leave them for when I'm not feeling inspired to come up with something completely new.
    Anyway well done for this video and channel - always very resourceful and helpful.

    • @olivarionline
      @olivarionline Рік тому +3

      @Meeps music that's great - didn't know it about Peter Gabriel

    • @jMerkyJJ
      @jMerkyJJ Рік тому +10

      Dude!!! You have to finish!! Sounds like a rad process you have going. I swear a few simple steps, a few precious minutes from crystalline glory. Go man go!! Write motherfucker (said with genuine affection 🤩

    • @justincase2600
      @justincase2600 Рік тому +10

      it's called destination writing. It's a great approach and your songs will never sound stale or forced.

    • @MegaMinecraftluver
      @MegaMinecraftluver Рік тому +2

      when does the music come in?

    • @jMerkyJJ
      @jMerkyJJ Рік тому

      @@MegaMinecraftluver yes!!!

  • @jedramos6518
    @jedramos6518 Рік тому +107

    Direct rhyme is not wrong. It just limits yourself in the long run. There are so many other possibilities. Song lyrics do not have to rhyme at all.

    • @ledaswan5990
      @ledaswan5990 Рік тому +3

      Exactly. These rules and regulations are suspect

    • @danroberts9050
      @danroberts9050 Рік тому

      Great example:
      Like father like son
      Not flesh nor fish nor bone
      A red rag hangs from an open mouth
      Alive at both ends but a little dead in the middle
      A tumbling and a bumbling he will go
      All the King's horses and all the King's men
      Could never put a smile on that face
      He's a sly one, he's a shy one, wouldn't you be too?
      Scared to be left all on his own
      He hasn't a, hasn't a friend to play with the ugly duckling
      The pressure on, the bubble will burst before our eyes
      All the while in perfect time
      His tears are falling on the ground
      But if you don't stand up, you don't stand a chance ey ey ey yeh-yeh
      You don't stand a chance
      Go a little faster now, you might get there in time
      Mirror mirror on the wall
      His heart was broken long before he ever came to you
      Stop your tears from falling
      The trail they leave is very clear for all to see at night
      All to see at night
      They come at night
      In season, out of season
      Oh, what's the difference when you don't know the reason
      In one hand bread, the other a stone
      The hunter enters the forest
      All are not huntsmen who blow the huntsman's horn and by the look of this one
      You've not got much to fear
      Here I am, I'm very fierce and frightening
      I come to match my skill to yours
      Now listen here, listen to me, don't you run away now
      I am a friend, I'd really like to play with you
      Making noises my little furry friend would make
      I'll trick him, then I'll kick him into my sack
      You better watch out, you better watch out
      I've got you, I've got you
      You'll never get away
      Walking home that night
      The sack across my back the sound of sobbing on my shoulder
      When suddenly it stopped
      I opened up the sack, all that I had
      A pool of bubbles and tears, just a pool of tears
      Just a pool of tears
      All in all you are a very dying race
      Placing trust upon a cruel world
      You never had the things you thought you should've had
      And you'll not get them now
      And all the while in perfect time
      Your tears are falling on the ground

    • @williamk6605
      @williamk6605 11 місяців тому +1

      If you want commercial success, then song lyrics need to rhyme.

    • @danroberts9050
      @danroberts9050 11 місяців тому +2

      @@williamk6605 Especially if it's going to be a song designed to appeal to the simple minded masses. You're right.

    • @noahshighlightreel
      @noahshighlightreel 2 місяці тому

      @@williamk6605 not everyone makes radio music 🤷🏾‍♂️

  • @htws
    @htws  Рік тому +157

    Hi folks! I am, quite frankly, loving the controversy that this little video has sparked! The passion!
    There have been a few comments here referencing Sondheim and The Beatles etc, so a little more context might help quell concerns that I am relegating the great writers of the canon to beginner status...Perfect rhyming was absolutely the bread and butter of popular songwriting as it emerged in the Tin Pan Alley era, and up until the late 50s, or even early 60s. Essentially, the cultural revolution of the 60s and 70s diversified not only style but expression and taste, and we bare that legacy today. Songs that rely on perfect rhyme, TODAY (as in, in our contemporary era), will sound like a call-back to an older era. It's not about good or bad, really - it's all about effect. If that is the effect you want - go for it. But a quick scan of Billboard charts in almost all genres where lyrics matter from the past 20 years will reveal a different trend. I have found, in my 13 years of teaching at universities, that beginner songwriters tend to default more strongly to that way of writing, possibly (and I suspect) because when we are explicitly taught rhyming during language acquisition (ie early childhood and literacy development years), we are taught perfect rhyming. But our EARS (and subconscious perception) can easily perceive much more subtle and complex rhyme, no problem. Developing as a lyric writer is about tapping into that knowledge, making the implicit explicit. The intended audience of this video is beginner songwriters starting out TODAY, wanting to build a career as a contemporary artist or songwriter, not a critique of songs of the past. Thanks for your all comments, thoughts, and insights. Happy writing!

    • @benheneghan8621
      @benheneghan8621 Рік тому +2

      My ears, by the time I was ten, detected assonance perfectly easily, and not subconsciously. I knew it was a would-be rhyme where the vowels were the same but not the final consonants. It's not a mystery, but (in my book) it's lame craftsmanship.

    • @Oleg_K.
      @Oleg_K. Рік тому +8

      You do provide useful tips along with an interesting perspective on slant vs. perfect rhymes but I think you fail to make the point clearly enough that perfect rhymes are, in fact, something to strive for. The level of agency with language needed for effectively and artistically using perfect rhymes is far far higher than the one needed for creating slant rhymes. And, if used purposely and properly, every piece of rhymed writing would have a greater effect on the listener if the rhymes are, in fact, perfect rather than slant rhymes.
      The difference in the effect created is, you rightly point out, important to bear in mind, especially if the trends in popular music clearly prefer one over the other, however, this has less to do with the listeners flocking towards the specific qualities of slant rhymes and more to do with the low barrier for entry for today's lyric writers and their diminished ability to find and utilize perfect rhymes.
      People listen to what is given.
      And if that's loosely connected, cliché ridden, rhymezoned to hell and back, poorly written nonsense - then that's what people listen to.
      Write what ever kind of stuff you want, but have your paradigm set correctly - perfect rhymes is the ideal you strive for, the rest is what you do for effect or when you can't find your way to the ideal.

    • @grantlong5540
      @grantlong5540 Рік тому +8

      Jimmy Webb’s greatest regret, rhyming time and line. I read his book, Tunesmith, about 15 years ago & still refer to it. I bought Clement Wood’s Complete Rhyming Dictionary because Jimmy recommended it. Perfect rhymes are so much harder to write. I don’t think they sound anachronistic if the song is actually good.

    • @michellemonet4358
      @michellemonet4358 Рік тому +2

      Thanks.
      .Sondheim...my favorite composer not only had amazinf and clever.lyrics his tunes were always memorable.

    • @marcbelanger2817
      @marcbelanger2817 Рік тому +1

      Another factor in favour of imperfect rhymes: English is a rhyme-poor language compared to, say, French or Spanish. So English-language songwriters by necessity have over the decades improvised and stretched the rhyme possibilities of the language.

  • @stevengrantofthegiftshop1549
    @stevengrantofthegiftshop1549 Рік тому +27

    Beautifully explained! I've always had trouble writing lyrics, but now I feel a sudden surge of confidence, let's hope it actually lasts! Thank you!

  • @liquidsolids9415
    @liquidsolids9415 Рік тому +82

    Since you asked for examples - "Baba O'Riley" by The Who rhymes "fields" with "meals", and "living" with "forgiven" (with a perfect rhyme in there as well - "fight" and "right"):
    "Out here in the fields
    I fight for my meals
    I get my back into my living
    I don't need to fight
    To prove I'm right
    I don't need to be forgiven"

    • @screamingpirhana
      @screamingpirhana Рік тому +3

      These rhymes work because they feel like perfect rhymes, or it's not that noticeable. Living works with forgiven because there's a whole other line before that rhyme comes up. That's good craftsmanship.

    • @liquidsolids9415
      @liquidsolids9415 Рік тому +1

      @@screamingpirhana Couldn't agree more. Pete Townshend knows what he's doing!

    • @kphoria1009
      @kphoria1009 Рік тому

      @@screamingpirhanathat’s the whole point of slant rhyming

  • @bangpow00
    @bangpow00 Рік тому +25

    Oh, it makes great sense to rhyme the vowel. Especially since we are emphasizing vowels when we sing, not so much the consonants. And yet it hadn't fully occurred to me until you talked about it. Thank you!

  • @dannybonsai7102
    @dannybonsai7102 Рік тому +16

    Heart of Glass has the exact example you mention.
    "Once had love, and it was divine,
    Soon turned out, I was losin' my mind."

  • @chezdan9
    @chezdan9 Рік тому +5

    Yesterday
    All my troubles seemed so far away
    Now it looks as though they're here to stay
    Oh I believe in Yesterday

  • @beatfrombrain
    @beatfrombrain Рік тому +77

    Yesterday
    All my troubles seemed so far away
    Now it looks as though it's here to stay
    Oh I believe in yesterday
    Here I stand
    Head in hand
    Turn my face to the wall
    If she's gone
    I can't go on
    Feeling two foot small
    Lennon and McCartney would like to have a word

    • @themacocko6311
      @themacocko6311 Рік тому +6

      I no longer write anymore but sometimes I wonder if they created this channel to thin out the compilation. They say a lot (not all) of things that goes against what professional writing was in my day.

    • @MickPosch
      @MickPosch Рік тому +42

      Yeah, but what about:
      Blackbird singing in the dead of night
      Take these broken wings and learn to fly
      All your life
      You were only waiting for this moment to arise

    • @cboisandlin9601
      @cboisandlin9601 Рік тому +1

      @@themacocko6311 compilation?

    • @thewrens_
      @thewrens_ Рік тому +3

      as with most things, the best always break the rules so idk

    • @hplovecraft1402
      @hplovecraft1402 Рік тому +1

      @@cboisandlin9601 Only a guess but i suspect the word was meant to be Competition .
      Maybe a long compilation of competitors that need thinning out :)

  • @rainblaze.
    @rainblaze. Рік тому +10

    One of my favorite couplets is ~
    "I read some Byron, shelly, and keats
    Recited it all for a hip hop beat
    I'm having trouble saying what i mean
    With dead poets and drum machines "

  • @ChowdMusic
    @ChowdMusic Рік тому +3

    This was a real light-bulb moment for me. It's absolutely absurd that I didn't already know this, but I'm going to forgive myself for that and get back to writing. Thanks Keppie!

  • @fionagmarshall6931
    @fionagmarshall6931 Рік тому +12

    game changer, thank you. I spend more time creating poetry but this really resonates especially the ideas about focusing on the last strongly stressed syllable

  • @mccloysong
    @mccloysong Місяць тому

    I knew this intuitively but subliminally. So only after you tell us do I now know it consciously, so thank you! You have great advice

  • @jibberism9910
    @jibberism9910 Рік тому +3

    I wrote my first song(ish) over the past days. Never learned music, so had a few attempts at grasping just enough to work from key and come up with a very simple chord progression.
    Glad I finally tried this, as I now have a base to work from. And needless to say, working this way suddenly opens all kinds of musical doors and gives you a basic understanding of what is out there, even if you don't really know the concepts, you can see them in the distance.
    So anyone who, like me, has zero musical background and finds themself going in circles... Go for it, and you will be thanking yourself for it. Learn about chord progressions, and take it from there. It's an easier way to learn than totally ground-up IMO, as it will bring you in contact with both the basics of what is a song, as well as the basics of what is a scale, etc. Really helped me make sense of the theory.

  • @MrMikomi
    @MrMikomi Рік тому +74

    This is great advice and thanks so much for it. I think though that near-rhymes and even non-rhymes are just what is currently in fashion, and conversely perfect rhymes are out of fashion and sometimes seen as clichéd (especially the obvious/overused ones). If we go back a few decades anything other than perfect rhymes was largely frowned upon and seen as lazy or inept songwriting.

    • @htws
      @htws  Рік тому +15

      So aptly put. Thanks for that (and please see the pinned comment above)!

    • @officialWWM
      @officialWWM Рік тому +7

      @@htws there is no pinned comment 🤔

    • @MichaelJohnson-composer
      @MichaelJohnson-composer Рік тому +1

      I’m not sure about that. Bands like The Magnetic Fields and The Divine Comedy use straight rhymes and their songs are anything but amateur.

    • @ledaswan5990
      @ledaswan5990 Рік тому +1

      @@MichaelJohnson-composerThere’s no one way of writing a song

    • @jibberism9910
      @jibberism9910 Рік тому

      My current and first "song" needs to rhyme to keep it all together. Vocals are quite detached, robot like. They somewhat follow the melody, but the timing is quite loose. So if it doesn't rhyme it would be hard to figure out where we are.
      Probably bad writing, lol.

  • @JpeterZoom-gt3pn
    @JpeterZoom-gt3pn 2 місяці тому

    Probably out of all your videos this is one of your best I have watched again and again and ask other people to watch...
    it just doesn't seem to get old...

  • @SunnyGuitarTutorials
    @SunnyGuitarTutorials Рік тому +3

    So simple, yet I never thought about rhyming the stressed vowel and not the last syllable. Super helpful, thank you!

  • @happyguycmb2883
    @happyguycmb2883 Рік тому +3

    Watching this I recalled something poet Robert Frost said: "Writing unrhymed poetry is like playing tennis with the net down." That sentiment is in a lot of the commentary here.
    But poetry is not song lyrics. You recite and hear all the word sounds of a poetic line; but you sing the vowels in a lyric line. So you hear the not-quite-right in lines that end in "time" then "find". But when "time" and "find" are sung, the words "rhyme."
    Put another way: you don't sing the way you talk. So using imperfect rhymes takes advantage of that reality.

  • @mystikrebel1089
    @mystikrebel1089 Рік тому +4

    Brilliant advice again. Thanks Keppie

  • @Curtis2Smith
    @Curtis2Smith Рік тому +4

    I've only just found you and only watched a few of your vids (this and the Beatles) but it feels like you're revealing awesome secrets that should've been obvious (especially since I thought I knew what a secondary dominant was) but somehow went right over my head. Thank you for making this outstanding information so clear.

  • @someguyspage1809
    @someguyspage1809 Рік тому +9

    If perfect rhymes are "mistakes" that "beginners" make, then the vast pool of mistaken beginners includes Ira Gershwin, Cole Porter, Irving Berlin, Paul McCartney, Jimmy Webb, Paul Simon, Gordon Lightfoot, et al.

    • @blackwingvalleylover
      @blackwingvalleylover 4 місяці тому

      I was thinking that. The Tremeloes and Kinks too

    • @geef0813
      @geef0813 3 місяці тому

      Time and a place for everything. Some folks can make a 3 string guitar sing. Typical beginners overuse perfect rhyming.

  • @henningbokelmann
    @henningbokelmann Рік тому +15

    The content of this channel is fantastic. Super inspiring!

  • @frankdion2174
    @frankdion2174 Рік тому +5

    Vowels are good, since you tend to hold the sound when you sing. I always start with the story I'm trying to tell and many of the words find me. Thank you for all you do to help writers.

  • @robertrussell9336
    @robertrussell9336 Рік тому +4

    Extremely helpful , I find myself looking over all my lyrics!! Thank you so much.

  • @nyrman
    @nyrman Рік тому +1

    just found your channel. nice pace and explaining, sub and binge watch :)

  • @eliyawaters9075
    @eliyawaters9075 4 місяці тому

    Thank you, this was a very transformative experience. I've always opted for perfect rhymes. I've seen the imperfect/slant rhymes be used in the poems we analyze in school, but never really understood them before. The tools seem very helpful. Thanks for the walk-through. Beautiful rhymes indeed.

  • @irvyne6111
    @irvyne6111 Рік тому +113

    A lyric from the show "Something Rotten" popped into my head. It always makes me laugh:
    "Ohhhhh, every time I hear a perfect rhyme I get all tingly,
    Because I knoooowww, that to write a perfect rhyme is not an easy... thingly..." 😂

  • @FrankHarding-g6c
    @FrankHarding-g6c 11 місяців тому +3

    Love this unpack, thankyou!

  • @Jazman342
    @Jazman342 Рік тому +14

    Thank you Thank you Thank you. Exactly what I've been searching for for the last 50 years or so. I've always has issues writing lyrics, while the music comes easily. Without checking, I suspect the only songs I've written that I'm really happy with have, unknown to me, followed these principles. One thing I always like is rhymes in the middle of a line rather than the all too common' last word'.

  • @Pulse2AM
    @Pulse2AM Рік тому +1

    In Rhymzone I use the near rhyme function sometimes, a lot of times the default search doesn't give me a word I want to use. Example: Time = Redesign, or Redefine. My cat rhymes MOw with Meow, that's all she's got.

  • @johnwallace2319
    @johnwallace2319 Рік тому +1

    wanna know how to rhyme? Listen to the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald, bunch of rhymes but he doesn't have to stretch or use sketchy metaphor to do it, if you took the rhyming aspect away (like translate it into a language that doesn't rhyme) the lyrics would not seem odd. That's how you know your rhyme isn't lazy, a lazy person would stretch a metaphor or pronunciation, or use cheap lines for the sake of rhyming, when frankly lyrics don't have to.

  • @timball8429
    @timball8429 Рік тому +4

    Thank you, Keppie for this insight. It’s a great insight that has massively opened up my rhyme vocabulary. See you soon for the next song critique.

    • @guitaring1
      @guitaring1 Рік тому +2

      wait? there's a song critique option?

  • @rockstarjazzcat
    @rockstarjazzcat Рік тому +2

    Happy to have stumbled upon your channel, Keppie Coutts! Thank you for sharing your work! Kind regards, Daniel

  • @jtuhl
    @jtuhl Місяць тому

    This was really useful ! exactly what I needed to unlock my writing. Many thanks for making this knowledge accessible to all :)

  • @maseratifittipaldi
    @maseratifittipaldi Рік тому +5

    I stumbled upon this very informative article. I always thought songwriting comes straight from the heart without any technical expertise. One of my favourite songs hardly has any rhyme: "The way we were" . There are many others too. But I suppose it depends on what the motivation for songwriting is in each instance.

    • @themacocko6311
      @themacocko6311 Рік тому

      If you are writing for yourself, then no structure is fine. When writing for a market, then there are rules or guidelines. The cool thing is, that's what makes it fun and challenging. Playing within the rules of a game is what makes the game fun.

    • @ratatatuff
      @ratatatuff Рік тому

      Songwriting channels like this or the Berkeley courses are formulaic songwriting. You use their strategies it if you want to get a pop/country song that sounds like all the other bland and boring pop/country songs. It's sad but it sells.

  • @jpsampsonmusic
    @jpsampsonmusic Рік тому

    Great video
    One of my favourites below
    Guy Clark - Let him roll
    He said "Every single day it gets
    A little bit harder to handle and yet..."
    And he lost the thread and his mind got cluttered
    And the words just rolled off down the gutter
    Almost, but not quite perfect rhyme and IMO a magical lyric.

  • @paddymoore9314
    @paddymoore9314 Рік тому

    Thanks

    • @htws
      @htws  Рік тому

      Thanks for the support Paddy, much appreciated!

  • @thefuturist8864
    @thefuturist8864 Рік тому +3

    T.S. Eliot’s ‘Four Quartets’ includes a type of rhyme where syllable stresses rather than vowel sounds are repeated and a lot of song writers have used this as well, like Kele Okereke (Bloc Party) and Tori Amos.

  • @georgerarmstrong
    @georgerarmstrong Рік тому +1

    Very well explained. George Armstrong, ASCAP, NMPA, HFA

  • @aliceaboard
    @aliceaboard 9 місяців тому

    I sold a small book long time ago with my poems but you just changed my rhyming world! Guess it’s a new era for me

  • @yamilgoodson8771
    @yamilgoodson8771 11 місяців тому

    I love that this video is to help people create new ways to think not something that is a law with consequences. Im actually glad this video exists because im sick of people saying it doesn't rhyme when in poetry you learn near rhymes. This is a helpful tool to expand not a rule you must follow or else! People commenting pointless crap and proof your wrong to be negative or just to prove trolls should just stay under the bridge and hassle anyone who crosses it. The bridge doesnt travel. Looking for problems. Thanks for taking time out of your day to help.

  • @markchristophergarrett
    @markchristophergarrett Рік тому +1

    lol, don't let the youtubers beat you up (pun intended) from a serious musician this is a great tip and weapon to ad to your arsenal of songwriting skills, anyone that mistakes great advice as an end all be all only solution, or the only way to do something is exactly not what you said. Thanx 4 the vid!

  • @danieljackson763
    @danieljackson763 Рік тому +5

    Cowboy chord Dan here. Three chords, and the truth. With feeling, please! Thank you ❣️

  • @emilydivis6369
    @emilydivis6369 Рік тому

    There's a ton of clever slant-rhymes to the word "surface" in "Surface Pressure" from the movie Encanto. For example (emphasis mine):
    Under the SURFACE
    I hide my NERVES and it WORSENS
    I WORRY something is gonna HURT US
    I don't think we should avoid perfect rhymes, by the way. We just shouldn't demand our rhymes always be perfect. It feels too restrictive.
    This is the first time I've ever seen one of your videos, and it's really well done. You just got yourself a new subscriber!

    • @htws
      @htws  Рік тому +1

      I love this example. I watched Encanto again 3 days ago with my 5 yr old, and we thinking about this as we listened to that song!

  • @dougstewart6581
    @dougstewart6581 Рік тому

    i love the app "rhymers block" it suggests rhymes in the way autocorrect would suggest corrections. it saves your lyrics in the app and backs them on the cloud

  • @tammieschiller397
    @tammieschiller397 Рік тому

    this is exactly the resources i needed! here's a proud set of slant rhymes in a song i wrote last year...expect, next, met, breathless
    .

  • @brandonvas2508
    @brandonvas2508 Рік тому +2

    Thank you very much for this lovely kind hearted video. This video has been really helpful for me as a beginner and has changed my way of thinking and improved my song writing alot that to at the comfort of my home. Not many songwriters will share this tip. Made my day 💯❤️

  • @markchristopher420
    @markchristopher420 Рік тому +4

    Excellent advice, just superb! It makes for a more natural, conversational tone and relieves some of the stilted, rather rigid formatting & formulaic nature of far too many compositions. Well done! 😊

  • @sashagames3160
    @sashagames3160 Рік тому +3

    I hiiiighly recommend Rhymewave as well. I prefer it over Rhymezone as I feel like it often gives more out of the box options and you can even insert some phrases, for instance "get out". Just an example, but yeah, I always used Rhymezone, but after a while it feels like you keep seeing the same words (duh! :P) and for some reason that felt different for me when using Rhymewave.
    But yeah, great video. That vowel-rhyme point you made is so important. I was already doing that, but you laid the process bare, so now I finally have the tools to explain people (outside of the music industry) who say it's only rhyming when the written word shares the most amount of letters with the word you wanna rhyme with, that that's not true.

  • @chrisshollinrake6826
    @chrisshollinrake6826 Рік тому +2

    Love your work, I will definitely try these ideas out. Thank you.

  • @kponly
    @kponly Рік тому

    I've never heard of this or thought about it. I'm gonna pull out the songs I gave up on a few years ago and see if this helps. Thank you!!!

  • @phatato
    @phatato Рік тому

    The tip regarding how to use rhymes zone to find more options by searching for a few slant rhymes was very useful thank you.

  • @Fatherflot64
    @Fatherflot64 Рік тому +1

    Assonance rather than rhyme. Emily Dickinson used slant rhymes all the time, but she would do the opposite of what is recommended here -- she would change the vowel and rhyme "rides" with "is" or "seen" with "on". Another poet who did it a lot was Wilfred Owen. He would rhyme "seeds" with "sides", "tall" with "toil", and "star" with "stir".

  • @christiemills
    @christiemills 2 місяці тому

    lol this is so cool and you're very funny. I've been writing songs since I was a kid and during that time I did a lot of noob rhyming. I would like to think that I progressed over time a little bit better. This will help me out a lot I think. So, thank you!

  • @junosensis
    @junosensis Рік тому +1

    Many thanks for that. I'm french speaking, and write lyrics in french where 'perfect rymes' is the way that we use to, so i've used this way in english too ! .. my bad, now i understand why my english lyrics sucks ! ... 😁

  • @brianmulhall4969
    @brianmulhall4969 10 місяців тому

    Love this. Using Rhymezone in that will be a gamechanger for me. Thank you!

  • @musiccreation1198
    @musiccreation1198 Рік тому

    Thanks!

  • @heavydevy-c5630
    @heavydevy-c5630 10 місяців тому

    This. Is. Insane! I use Rhymezone and I have never thought of using rhymezone like this before. Okay, experimental Symphonic Metal musician here! I really liked Klayton's Rhymes in his music projects Celldweller, Scandroid, and Circle of Dust. I always wanted to rhyme like him using futuristic themes and this tip actually opened that up for me. Already, I got Probe, Load, Strobe, Node, Phone, Cyclone, Drone, Clone, Ozone, Zone, Silicone, Mode, Code, Encode, Erode, Corrode, Corrosive, all super cool futuristic words and more if I searched more and this is so hard to do omg! I always wondered how Klayton was able to make amazing lyrics like he does, I don't know if he uses this tactic as I haven't hardcore analyzed his lyrics ever but this is definitely a way! Thank you! Also got aggressive words for the metal aspect, lots more of those actually, everything is there and this is mind blowing!

  • @MrReasonabubble
    @MrReasonabubble Рік тому +3

    This was interesting!
    I have always sought perfect rhymes, and felt disappointed when I've had to "resort to" imperfect/ slant rhymes. I've only ever thought that perfect rhyming is undesirable or amateurish when it forces the writer to construct awkward or unlikely-sounding phrases for the sake of the rhyme.
    I'm still not wholly convinced that slant rhyming is _better_ - but I certainly feel as though you've given me permission to use it freely, so thank you! 🙂

    • @twezzo99
      @twezzo99 Рік тому

      To allow false rhymes in service of expression is fine by me. To call them better definitely isn´t. I can´t take that stance seriously. I believe great art is usually born out of restriction.

  • @merkazoidduff7651
    @merkazoidduff7651 2 місяці тому

    My favorite rhyme of all time is in Mercury Rev’s Goddess on a Hiway:
    She’s a goddess on a highway
    A goddess in a car
    A goddess going faster
    Than she’s ever gone before
    The rhyme of car and before strikes me strongly.

  • @plarks-guddaboyz
    @plarks-guddaboyz Рік тому

    Your incredible for real!!! Subscribed!! Watched the 1st video & thought homie you should teach, then on this video discover you a professor, makes sense..

  • @bird3124
    @bird3124 Рік тому +5

    I have always loved Jackson Browne’s near rhymes, especially in Doctor My Eyes where he rhymes world with unfurled: “ I have wandered through this world, and as each moment has unfurled, I’ve been waiting to awaken from this dream.” Also love how he snuck in the waiting/awaken near rhyme in the same thought.

    • @BareBohemianBeauty
      @BareBohemianBeauty Рік тому

      I tend to naturally throw in rhymes in the middle of the sentence and I love it when it happens. It adds so much somehow!!

  • @Luthiart
    @Luthiart Рік тому +2

    This video is very useful to me... I've always struggled at writing lyrics because I've always insisted on using perfect rhymes. I also have a tendency to fall into internal rhyming schemes. I don't really do it intentionally because it sounds clever (which, honestly, it does), I just often find myself writing one verse that has an internal rhyme, and then, of course, all the rest of the verses HAVE to have the same internal rhyming pattern. Coupling that with the necessity for all your rhymes to be perfect, you eventually run into a brick wall. There are times when I hear an imperfect (or "slant") rhyme, and I think it sounds strained, or lazy (and that's why avoid them), but other times, I barely notice it. Like rhyming "fields" with "meals" in Baba O'Riley (as another commenter mentioned).

  • @Funkybassuk
    @Funkybassuk Рік тому +1

    This is my favourite youtube channel now. Such useful stuff!

  • @mk00918
    @mk00918 Рік тому +2

    I expected songwriting and you teach us rhyming.

  • @chaosqueen1703
    @chaosqueen1703 7 місяців тому +1

    I mean the bridge of one of my songs is built around plain rhymes and idk I've been wanting to share it with the world. So not sure if it's exactly like this cause I don't have my notebook with me but it's:
    With the growing of my mind's altitude,
    Got an "I can fix him" attitude,
    I'd spend 100 years in solitude....
    And his arm from his hand to his shoulder is tattooed,
    Seems there's nothing I can do.
    It might sound awkward reading it out but it fits with the melody, I'm wanting to get opinions on the writing.

  • @chrisroberts-songsfromthel6299

    What a great tip, I've never heard that before. Thank you!

  • @mrswagg22music
    @mrswagg22music Рік тому +1

    Grt video!! I love this and it is so true so many writers these days go the lazy route rhyming every word well done!! I make this pt also

  • @uberdonkey9721
    @uberdonkey9721 8 місяців тому

    My wife is a singer, I'm a prose writer and because her English isn't great I've beem tasked with writing song lyrics for her for a song she's composed. Your videos are such a help, thankyou!

  • @shenyathewelder9695
    @shenyathewelder9695 Рік тому

    You are teaching in the way I understand, you have my gratitude!

  • @countrymonkOSB
    @countrymonkOSB Рік тому +17

    Sondheim would have vehemently disagreed with this. 🤔He was a very strong believer in the importance of "perfect" rhymes and says he never used rhymes that weren't so. Of course, he was a genius and a purist and wrote for musical theater, not popular music. In any case, thanks for this great video. I'd like to recommend a book I use for finding rhymes, "Surprising Rhymes" by Brian Oliver. It's inexpensive and very easy to use. It also focuses on slant rhymes and not so much on perfect rhymes

    • @kirinrex
      @kirinrex Рік тому +5

      I love Stephen Sondheim and agree he was a genius. He offset his perfect rhymes with complex rhyme schemes, and really understood meter, and didn't try to rhyme in simple couplets or quatrains (sorry, more familiar with poetry and know next to nothing about music, so I apologize if there's a word for these in music), and so even though he used mostly perfect rhymes, the listener doesn't really feel exhausted by it. As well, he had a superb vocabulary! I think using only perfect rhymes is very difficult to do well.

  • @geoffnelson7783
    @geoffnelson7783 Рік тому +1

    Beatles rhymed "night", "fly", "life", "arise" or "night / life" and "fly / arise":
    "Blackbird singing in the dead of night
    Take these broken wings and learn to fly
    All your life
    You were only waiting for this moment to arise"

    • @htws
      @htws  Рік тому

      Thanks Geoff! Great example :)

  • @JulietaKress
    @JulietaKress 4 місяці тому

    THIS IS ART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 YOU HAVE REALLY CHANGED THE WAY I SEE THE WORLD

  • @andyp257
    @andyp257 Рік тому

    This video single handedly elevated my poetry to the next level. I now routinely use the methods I learnt from this video to come up with interesting rhymes, so thank you!

  • @FanBoy_Prime
    @FanBoy_Prime 6 місяців тому

    After being self taught for so long, it has been fantastic to find your channel and put a name to some of the methods I have tried ... and also to find new ways to think about writing. I am very much appreciative.
    As for some of my favorite rhymes ... or even lines from a song ... Butch Walker has a song called "We're All Going Down" . In the song he has the following :
    "All of the kitty cats get out their catty kits
    Sit round and talk sh*t bout this b*tch and that b*tch"
    I can see this lyric and also it just flows.
    Anyways, great video and thanks.

  • @korbanpyke5996
    @korbanpyke5996 Рік тому

    I haven't seen your channel before but the other day I wrote a fresh lyric sheet and I realized the reason it felt better than usual was for all the reasons you talked about here

  • @MarkusRill
    @MarkusRill Рік тому +2

    Interesting video and many good points in there. And of course, slant rhymes are very hip these days in pop music and they can feel very original.
    But how you rhyme communicates something as well. If your song is all about how you've had a perfect night, then you might want to use perfect rhymes. If your song is about how things in your relationship are falling apart, imperfect rhymes can help convey that very well.
    To me, it's also about where the rhyme occurs. If it's in a storytelling verse, you can get away with near rhymes. But if you want your song title to stand in the spotlight, maybe a strong rhyme will be very useful in that regard.

  • @daltonhobson6982
    @daltonhobson6982 Рік тому

    How come it seems to take a lifetime to find people like this to help us.Great help thank you

  • @thegreatriffs2552
    @thegreatriffs2552 Рік тому +1

    Brilliant channel. I've just stumbled across it and I'm very impressed.

  • @joshuaallenzurbano3476
    @joshuaallenzurbano3476 7 місяців тому

    Helpful video for non-talented individuals like me. It will make my lyrics sound more interesting. Thanks much. ❤️

  • @dljohnsonmusic
    @dljohnsonmusic 10 місяців тому

    Awesome! Thanks for sharing this! So glad I found your videos, it's going to take my songwriting to the next level!

  • @pinna7258
    @pinna7258 Рік тому +1

    Thank you so much for this! This was a big help 👍🏾☺️

  • @dgrjazz
    @dgrjazz Рік тому

    Hello from Northern California. I’m enjoying your lessons. Another way to find a rhyme is to make up a word. In Tom Waits song November he ends with
    Go away, you rainsnout
    Go away, blow your brains out
    November
    Sondheim used a rhyming dictionary as well. I’ll come up with the exact one in a bit. I think he liked it because of how it was layed out.
    He also said that writing lyrics was the hardest part.

  • @dalegreer3095
    @dalegreer3095 Рік тому +2

    I'm learning to play Gentle On My Mind, and I'm fascinated by the way it has many words and lines, but only four rhymes, and only one of those is a slant rhyme, the other three are perfect, and one of those is used twice. and it has no break. Still a beautiful song though.

    • @jesusislukeskywalker4294
      @jesusislukeskywalker4294 Рік тому +1

      one a of the greatest songs ever 🤠 witchita linesman is another

    • @dalegreer3095
      @dalegreer3095 Рік тому

      @@jesusislukeskywalker4294 Wichita Lineman has that amazing line "And I need you more than want you, And I want you for all time"

    • @TP-om8of
      @TP-om8of Рік тому

      I’m and don’t forget Rhinestone Cowboy

    • @TP-om8of
      @TP-om8of Рік тому

      Or Galveston

  • @nathc2663
    @nathc2663 Рік тому

    Amazing advise. Looking forward to getting involved with this. Ive got the Patt Pattison book aswell, but not the best at understanding when it comes to reading. Youve explained this very well. Cheers

  • @sethhilaryjackson
    @sethhilaryjackson Рік тому

    it's a bit of an overstatement to say that the consonant sound doesn't matter "at all". Some imperfect rhymes are more imperfect than others. A closer rhyme will often sound better to the ear than one that's further away. For example, "ache" and "late" might sound better than "ache" and "base". Not that you couldn't use the latter if needed. But I'd prefer the former.

  • @stephenbeeby8850
    @stephenbeeby8850 Рік тому

    Wow. Super helpful, as I am sure you already know, but thank you.

  • @Tophybrightsideofficial
    @Tophybrightsideofficial Рік тому

    Iv recently written a song that used Collide & Tide haha
    “I feel our hearts collide
    Like a crashing ocean tide”

  • @barryjmccormack
    @barryjmccormack Рік тому

    Superb!!! I have only watched a few of your videos but you are very impressive. I will be watching quite a few more

  • @SteveKercherMusic
    @SteveKercherMusic Рік тому

    I studied with Pat Pattison at Berklee. This is right on. Thanks for the reminder!

  • @williambroome9140
    @williambroome9140 10 місяців тому

    I mean one of my favourite rhymes is from George Ezra's 'get lonely with me' where he rhymes power and town, focusing and emphasising the"ow" sound
    Great video btw

  • @Veronika.von.Vengerberg
    @Veronika.von.Vengerberg Рік тому

    I love the way Slipkot rhymes in Duality
    "I have screamed until my veins collapsed
    I've waited as my time's elapsed
    Now, all I do is live with so much hate
    I've wished for this, I've bitched at that
    I've left behind this little fact
    You cannot kill what you did not create
    I've gotta say what I've gotta say
    And then, I swear, I'll go away
    But I can't promise you'll enjoy the noise
    I guess I'll save the best for last
    My future seems like one big past
    You're left with me 'cause you left me no choice"

  • @JimReuterskiold
    @JimReuterskiold Рік тому +1

    A rhyme I like, from Joe Ely: I keep my fingernails long so they click when I play the "piana"/I'm gonna keep 'em that way 'til the swallows come back from Louisiana (Ely also uses "Alabama", and "Texarkana" in the same place).

  • @Jesse615
    @Jesse615 Рік тому +1

    I've been utilizing this idea, without quite understanding the mechanics of it. Thanks! Another item I use along with a rhyming dictionary (and is just as useful to me) is a thesaurus. :)

  • @anonymike8280
    @anonymike8280 6 місяців тому

    I get it. I get it. _I'm walking / the chalk line / around your heart._

  • @tahutoa
    @tahutoa Рік тому

    0:46 my first thought hearing you say this is to form some similarly poignant line, and end it with "mine" or something. It's a slant rhyme sure, but THEN the goal is to make the rest of that line pretty enough to make that not matter so much.

  • @Campusanis
    @Campusanis Рік тому

    Yay for RhymeZone! I also like using the "advanced" feature to find near rhymes (and not so near ones) more quickly.

  • @BouseFeenuxTV
    @BouseFeenuxTV Рік тому

    Amazingly informative video! Thanks so much!

  • @monkberriedelight3225
    @monkberriedelight3225 6 місяців тому

    Thank you for your work. This is very helpful

  • @billwarner213
    @billwarner213 Рік тому

    GREAT advice - thanks!