Is it possible they didn't have the full crew on Saturday? There wasn't supposed to be that much going on on Saturday. Practice and heat races with only a handful of cars on track at once. Maybe they had a smaller crew with more coming in to fill out the crew in Sunday that couldn't be brought in when nascar decided to do everything Saturday at the last minute. Im just not prepared to put all the blame on Fox without considering that the schedule change could have contributed to their issues.
I made the same point Saturday and should have brought it up again here. It's very possible FOX didn't have their full crew at the track. But I'll also argue that fans have made similar complaints about them for a couple years now.
@EricEstepp I keep hearing that, but I've honestly never had much to complain about with fox. I have more of an issue with the second half figuring out where I can find practice, qualifying, the race, post race etc on USA, NBC, peacock, etc...
@johnhaas2523 you don't really need as many cameras or production crew to cover 6 or 8 cars at a time. I think your making an assumption that you can't possibly prove.
@johnhaas2523 every crew member needs a hotel room Saturday night to be there both Saturday and Sunday. In LA that ain't cheap. It adds up. They may have tried to bring some more of them in Sunday morning to stay on budget.
FOX always seem to treat the fans like children NBC actually treats NASCAR like an actual sport and treats it viewers with some actual knowledge of the sport
People complain about Dale and Jeff’s voices but I’ll take that every day with their overall production and quality of the production over Fox’s completely lack luster production, Kevin was good Mike is still decent but Clint is just not it for me.
Whoever thought Jeff Burton should be in the NBC booth is clearly an Arr-tard. Dale Jr is just too invested in the sport to care, the only time he did hold back was when he call the back of the Gen 6 car "Giant-@$$ spoilers"
@@darthhull85 Kevin might turn out to be my favorite announcer this year, the amount of knowledge he has from driving these cars really carries over to the broadcasts. Loved him talking about splitting the brake rotor compounds on Saturday.
@@darthhull85 Dale and Jeff at least talk the truth about what’s actually happening It seems Clint and Jeff at the time tried to sugarcoat everything That’s bs tell us the FACTS it won’t bite us
The poor TV production takes on an even higher degree of dissatisfaction when you realize you are paying for cable/streaming services and still have to view the stupid all-too-frequent commercials.
I remember a few years ago hearing about live sports on streaming for the first time and, considering how this was back when ads were only just starting to appear on every streamer, I actually thought, "Wow! Does that mean no more lengthy commercial breaks?" Oh, how innocent and naive I was.
I'm old enough to remember when TV was free & commercials were just accepted & more or less appreciated. It wasn't until greed took that away & since I've had to pay for what we used to get for free (welcome to the 21st century) it is very frustrating. A couple of years ago I timed the race vs. commercials (including the "bought to you by" crap following the commercials) & commercials took up 1/5th of the broadcast. So I/we missed 100 miles of a 500 mile race. And we're paying for that?? 😒 I usually watch the broadcast live (but mute all commercials which I do for all TV. I refuse to accept the forced propaganda) but if I miss it for one reason or another (it rains & then it's on a channel/network I don't get) I will download a pirate version where someone has gone to the trouble of editing all commercials out & it is soooo nice to watch the race with no commercials. It's a couple days late but it's worth it not to have to watch the same commercial over & over & over. Years ago now there was a website called JustinTV that somehow got the broadcast in real time with no commercials or breaks. It seemed to be a feed right from "the truck." Those were the days my friends! 👍
I used to be a camera man for college football. Now I know it's a bit different and Im not sure what Fox tell's their camera men and women for motorsports but rule of thumb is to keep the shot wide and if anything the networks production staff can zoom in if necessary. However, I notice that for the past couple of years that the camera operators for both Fox and NBC are not keeping the shot wide enough which is why they are missing a lot of the action.
Ya shoulda been here when Jimmie Johnson was racing. There's no WAY the cameras could've gotten any tighter on that 48. Out of 4, crop out 2nd place, pass slow car at S/F line get flagstand to track angle; into 1 car goes high and 2nd cuts low - crop out 2nd and switch to infield up to middle of 1 & 2 angle. Cars side by side down backstretch, 48 falls back to 2nd, new leader, stay tight on 48 into turn 3; end of the lead lap car blows tire in front of new leader going in to 4, crop out both victim and leader, go to pit road up to turn 4 exit angle on 48 only. It was like that lap after lap after lap. Infuriating! Lots of racing going on, but the production trailer must've gotten steaks and potatoes grilled and served by Lowe's during late lunch at the track because it was like that every race.
@@shannon3n8 Ive been watching since 01 but never noticed the cameras and how they focused on Johnson. haha. The only time I notice something different with the cameras was when Chevy sponsored the Richmond races.
The Clash belongs in Daytona it was part of speedweeks for years. Having cars on the track daily practicing for the clash, qualifying, and the 500 got fans more hyped for the coming season than anything else.
@@chrisguardiano6143 the only thing that makes F1 broadcasts interesting is the announcers get SUPER into the race. They hype it up so much despite nothing exciting ever happening on track
Yeah, but money talks at CRINGE. At least NBC knew this and let Jr do his own thing via podcasts and the like, bringing in even more money than what CRINGE is doing
I agree with rotating classic short tracks hosting the All Star Race on the condition that North Wilkesboro gets a points race, likely replacing Spring Bristol.
I'm with you. I literally filed a written complaint under the "feedback" option on their website. I've never done that before for anything else. I pay $80 a month just to get the NASCAR races. What am I paying for?
This was the first ever nascar broadcast I’ve ever watched. Without the context of what a proper broadcast should be, I absolutely noticed that the commentators were often discussing somthing happening off camera. I did also frequently find myself annoyed at the crowd shots.
@@extragoogleaccount6061 funny you should say that, I’m going to be there in person :-) lived about 30 mins from the track for almost 20 years. I fell in love with oval racing after discovering it on iracing and bought a ticket in November.
I just don't understand how you can miss so many things at that tiny track. I went to the race the first two years and I could literally see everything without moving my head.
Spoke to one of the “younger” camera guys on fb, who I know personally and he said this: Honestly it’s a bunch of old guys stuck in their ways. The director is ancient and been doing it forever so he won’t listen to anyone and the camera guys are just as old and set in their ways shooting way too tight etc. also the weird thing is NBC has a camera spotter and Fox just hast them shoot whatever. Until these old dudes retire, I don’t see anything changing. I just work to make what I can control the best I can
That is interesting. Maybe its because I'm old, but I prefer that. I don't want to see bumper cams, spoiler cams, brake pedal cams, fan cams. I just want to watch the race.
After watching the Netflix series and remembering how good NBC I was praying Fox did at least SOMETHING to improve coverage this is kind of a pivotal moment in the sport to become more popular and Fox isn’t doing it any favors.
Fox missed a few moments from the Sonoma race last year too. Blaney was spun with three laps to go on turn 2 and they didn't show it, it wasn't on the highlight reel they posted to UA-cam the same day either.
@@TheAnimationStationYT I was there too, IIRC, i believe I ended up seeing the second spin on the extended highlights, but they did miss it during the broadcast
Fox does this on every sport they broadcast. I like Matt Weaver's take on the All-Star and combine it with the short track idea of Justin Marks and I think you are good to go. It's easier to get to those tracks in May through July than end of January, beginning of February. As for the Clash, definitely experiment. I do want to see one year a run on the beach, go really old school.
If only the Daytona city council thought like you... they kicked NASCAR off their July 4 date recently, so the odds of a beach race happening are much less
I’m an advocate for running the clash in Mexico. I think they start with Mexico City next year at the local Mexico NASCAR track - Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez. F1 races there on the road course, NASCAR Mexico races there and Xfinity has raced there in the past, it should be a quality facility, and it supports a few road course configurations and a 1-mile oval. If it is well received, they go back annually and move the event around the country. If it’s not a winner, then back to the drawing board. Also, it is closer to NC than LA is. They may need an extra travel day to deal with customs, but that can be worked out.
I feel that they should race there... as a POINTS race. Mexico has already shown NASCAR that they want racing Cup over there, and this is a prime opportunity to do so. They just need to remove TexARSE, or take away a 2nd date from any track that has one, and it's gold. The Clash feels like something domestic, to be held in US soil. Seeing the multiple configurations, they can put Xfinity on the oval, and Cup on the F1 layout just to spit in their faces after that Chicago scandal
We may as well just give the damn country to Mexico. Idk wtf is wrong with people these day. Send our clash to fucking Mexico Be missimg half the field when they get back. Cartel will get half of them. Wtf do we need a race in Mexico. Put it at wilkesboro oo Bette they put it back at Daytona where it belongs. NASCAR is stupid. Too dumb to see the more they change the more the ratings drop
Looking forward to another season of your input Eric! Bad coverage at these races is such a disservice for the fans. Love the power rankings!!! Logano will again be in the final 4 w/Byron, Busch and Larson. PS: little favor here for a fan, yah gotta square off the bottom nascar sign under the other 3 or the OCD may kick in to overdrive 😂
I think NASCAR should look into revitalizing Greenville-Pickens Speedway in Greenville, SC. Its a very historic track. A lot of big name drivers have raced there and it was the sight of NASCAR 's first televised race.
Greenville county has blow up and is a huge melting pot too. The track is in a prime location as well. Between Atlanta and Charlotte, and near Columbia Metro
I LOVE the power rankings segment. I would look at changing up how you display the drivers. The two columns make it more difficult to see the top 10 at a glance. Also, I would add their new ranking number beside them when as well as last week's. Usually, when someone is ranked after being left off the poll the week before, they are given the designation "NR" for "Not Ranked" I cannot wait to see how the power rankings progress throughout the year!
About the broadcast, it's really weird what happened. I'm a technical director and producer of live events (including racing) for Brazilian television and looking at the clash footage I'm puzzled. I know that Nascar is developing a new remote broadcast center at NC and debuted it with the Daytona 24 hours a few weeks ago. And to me, what we saw during the clash is a sign that at least some of the broadcast was done remotely. The camera panning abruptly to the other side of the track is a sign that you lost communications with that operator and/or lost network connection with the equipment that cuts the cameras. That also can result on messy on time replays, that you can recover easier hours later, as we saw in social media later. I don't think those gigantic mistakes will happen again at Daytona, but I'm concerned that Nascar and the TV broadcaster may be cutting expenses way too agressively...
I feel like there's some kinda disconnect when it comes to Fox, because whenever asked about it, the higher ups seem enthusiastic about keeping Nascar around on their family of networks. Yet the quality of their broadcasts indicate the exact opposite of that sentiment.
OMG! Thank you!!! I've been wondering about this since last year, this was horrible. FOX needs to address this immediately. Thank you, thank you fir bringing it up. And I agree with EVERYTHING else you mentioned! You just gained a new subscriber.
Like at the end of the day, you guys filmed the race in a football stadium. If you guys miss the action in that sort of deal, Lord knows what a track like Daytona might be like.
You're absolutely right. The broadcast matters. I've complained about the direction of the broadcasts for quite some time now. It's so good to know it's not just me.
If FOX cans the fly by camera it would pay off huge dividends. They continue to not understand that using that camera as the default restart camera, especially on short tracks when the leaders get to the corner before the last car passes the camera, is a huge source of blocking the viewer from on track action.
I took the Fan Council Survey. Found one of the questions very interesting. I was asked how many non points events I would like to see? The options were 1, 2, 3, and 4+. I chose 2 but thinking about it, I would like to see the All-Star race evolve. Keep the Clash as an experiment with heats and knockouts at new venues. Stop doing 3 year deals move it around. Then let’s bring back the shootout. This allows us to expand Daytona and make it at least SpeedWeek. Give it its pole winner qualification status and have someone sponsor it for a big payday for the teams/driver who wins it. Plus it’s a bonus Daytona practice for those that qualify for it.
I'd like to point out this thing I love about IMSA and their UA-cam channel, when they upload the races, the graphics are, in my opinion, simple. A simple class leaderboard for the classes and top notch commentary. Nascar can learn a few things with how to produce a broadcast.
I think the clash should be an international race. I love the all star race to be at local tracks that they put some type of investment in. The all star race can be raced anywhere because of weather.
I think the Clash should stay at the Coliseum 1 more year, so they can stay in the LA market. Then, have the Auto Club Short Track ready for the 2026 season.
Clash: Daytona All-Star Race: Charlotte (or whatever the most exciting track is given the rules package, but I think that is Charlotte for now) New Markets: Give them a Thursday night SRX-style race, or take away some second dates and give them a real race.
its hard to get new people to care about nascar when it seems one of our main broadcasters does not care. they are solid with the nfl but they just dont care about nascar
I personally thing nascar should bring the clash to Rockingham. I think it’s a convenient opportunity to bring back another forgotten track. It has a shape that the other tracks don’t have and i think it could bring back some old fans.
100% spot on. I thought it was just me…the perspective was not thrilling. Wanted more overview/overhead shots..maybe some split screens showing the action. Car cams are great but need to pan out. Capture all the action. Its a tiny track.
My pick for a renewal of The Clash would be at El Dorado Speedway near the city of Chihuahua, Mexico. The NASCAR México Series was in my opinion a great addition to the weekend, so why not broaden NASCAR's market even more. The speedway itself needs renovation for both surface & facilities (lighting is already installed around the track). Track facilities need a huge overhaul though, as it looks very vacant at this point in time.
I think something in Idaho would be good. I’d love to see them race at Findlay Stadium Stateline Speedway. It’s a small track but it would bring some attention to Pacific Northwest that’s is needed.
It would be cool to see them erect something short term for stands and hold the All-Star race at Oxford Plains Speedway. I realize Maine is tough to get people to travel to but the track is one of the OG tracks.
I might be in the minority here but IMO the Clash should stay in Los Angeles until Auto Club Speedway's renovation is finished. I know there's no clear timetable on when that will be completed, but the LA/SoCal area is too big of a car culture hotspot to not have some kind of NASCAR event there for a few more years. If the city or region doesn't have something, even if it's only for a few more years, interest might go way down. They have to consistently have something in or near LA. Once the Auto Club renovations are finished, then it would be cool to see them experiment with something somewhere else.
The clash has been so bad in LA even though nascar desperately wants it to work it's just not tenable. Good. Anything would be better than this tiny track with has been musicians.
On top of the production (and i get having to move time slots around and whatnot) but i wish they wouldve just kept the basketball game slated after the race on FS2 and kept the Mexico series race on FS1. I feel like we could've had a proper post race/pre race part 2 and possibly more views on the race. Especially since the race already went over and was already about a quarter through the first half when the broadcast ended.
I’ve been complaining about the audio quality on NBC since they started carrying NASCAR. The back ground or ambient sound is always covering the voices in the booth, the pits and everywhere accept the commercials and you can bet you ass that production is perfect. The TV sound person must be watching the blinking lights on the mixer instead of listening to the quality of the master control. Mic checks done before the race with no cars running or on the track is one thing, fixing it must be beyond their abilities. Fox video production is lacking and most of the cameras are remote ran from the truck by one or two people. The director could have been phoning it in from his girlfriend house. After 40 years of radio production and engineering I went to work in a TV station. I ask why the audio was so bad. The engineers told me that’s the way television works, we have pictures, and it’s not the same as radio. I wish I’d had a camera on their millennial faces when I said “What part do you not understand; television is still just radio with pictures.” ABC and CBS had a better NASCAR broadcast back in the day than what we get from FOX or NBC now. Oh, might be because boomers were in charge back in the day. Watch a race on radio. MRN and PRN still do a fine job.
The Clash or All-Star Races should go Internationally to Australia or New Zealand & goto more local tracks in the US like a race at The Freedom Factory owned by Cleetus McFarland in Florida.
It is pretty sad, LOL, like a first family VHS camcorder at a Nascar event in 2024.🤣I've seen some really good footage of local track racing that is a lot more in depth with better zooms and complete on track action from folks in the stands recording some good late model racing. Floracing has incredible short track and dirt track footage and has some really great camera angles in different camera spots, maybe Nascar needs to start watching some old school short track racing over there.
Id be interested in seeing rotating tracks between new venue and classic track yearly. One year a new market and next a classic track. Mix it up a bit instead of same place every year. Especially since its not a points race. Id be interested in the all star doing something similar
FOX also did a horrible job explaining anything, I’ve watched the last two clashes and _I_ forgot a lot of the rules. How are new fans, the new fans that started watching because of Full Speed supposed to know what’s going on? They barely explained that it’s an exhibition, barely explained why it went to red flag under caution or why there was a half time break.
I feel like the best way to revive the clash would be to take it to Rockingham. Think about it, we already have wilkesboro, and the Rock would be a great place to hold an exhibition race.
Problem is, NASCAR is not interested in returning to Rockingham at all, and if they did, they would just put dirt on it and call it a race like they did Bristol. North Wilkesboro only made it back because Dale Jr did 80% of the work by cleaning up the speedway for an iRacing scan for his private use, and that attracted attention of the fanbase at the time, and started a movement out of it
I was that guy who said that the 4th of July race should be roving, A different city every year , city’s that don’t have a nascar track , Boston , denver , Niagara Falls and that could be a way to bring in new people , But maybe the clash could be roving, … to a point , it would have to be more southern states because Boston or Niagara Falls could be knee deep in snow on February 5th
NASCAR should also consider moving the clash to Puebla, Mexico, at the Autódromo Miguel E. Abed. It's a 1.28 mile oval with a relatively large seating capacity.
Eric's Power Rankings didn't make sense. Chastain got bumped out the Top 10 for finishing 15th and Reddick moved up a spot to 5th despite finishing 14th one spot ahead of Chastain. I agree about Toyota it looks like they're gonna pick up where they left off last season or better. Be interesting to see how Legacy performs not getting info from JGR.
Saw one insightful comment. It's become clear that fox did not pay a ton of money to broadcast racing. They paid to have the rights to advertise to NASCAR fans.
F1 coverage should be something that NASCAR should be looking to emulate. There are a lot of things that F1 doesn’t do so well and it definitely chases money too much, but the production, coverage and commentary of a race is consistently fantastic and really elevates the experience of watching a race
F1 has the benefit of having its own internally run broadcast team due to F1 TV which means it runs with no ads and Sky Sports which works on British broadcasting rules
Fox needs to re-think how they approach directing their broadcast. Commercials are happening at the same rate they always have. The actual broadcast is the true problem. They just miss so many things. I remember they came back from a break and they had a 15 second bumper that was slow motion of the cars going through one corner. But we could’ve gone to a wide of the track instead so we could see the action. The racing seemed AWESOME. It’s a shame it couldn’t be appreciated. It reminded me on Gen 6 Martinsville almost.
se the clash as the new Dirt race. No points, not a full garantee starting field. Still run heats and a B main. Run them out west still or even down in FL. Agreed that the allstart should be short track racing at a smaller track.
Production aside, or possibly as a result, if we think it is oversaturated (it certainly seems to be) why do we have 2 in effect all star exhibition races? Go with either the ASR or the Clash and let the other die for an extra off weekend.
Here's the interesting tidbit: Last driver that overdrove a corner and ran into Logano on a short track, with the ensuing post race confrontation, went on to win the championship in 2020. Who did FOX say was flying fast in the clash?
You know, the more I think about it. Why couldn't the Clash be like an "endurance" race. JGR enters 1 car, all 4 drivers drive it. Hendricks, SHR, Penske/Wood Brothers, 23XI/LMS, etc., all enter 1 car each. Maybe an 8 hour race on DIS road course, each driver does a 1/4 of it.
I thought something would change now that A- They've been inked into the new TV deal. and B- Nascar productions spared them form bringing in their own crew; that there would be some kind of positive change. Wow I was very wrong
The last two times Toyota changed their model, a veteran who started in the Gen 4 era drove a Toyota to a championship, both the first of their respective careers. The last time Ford changed their model, a Toyota won the championship that year. Both Toyota and Ford changed their models for 2024, and Denny Hamlin is the only Gen 4 veteran driving a Toyota without a title. Denny Hamlin will win the 2024 Cup Series championship.
busch clash where do they run it? la coliseum what are they thinking about? international racing whats a candidate for that? mexico city, mexico whats in mexico city, mexico? estadio azteca, home of the mexico soccer team what do we do with stadiums? WE BUILD A GOD DAM RACE TRACK!!!
I’m annoyed from the lack of quality in the broadcast. The most frustrating part is the new fans that just watched the Netflix show and who decided to watch the clash to try and get into Nascar, it doesn’t make a very good first impression in my opinion.
Is it possible they didn't have the full crew on Saturday? There wasn't supposed to be that much going on on Saturday. Practice and heat races with only a handful of cars on track at once. Maybe they had a smaller crew with more coming in to fill out the crew in Sunday that couldn't be brought in when nascar decided to do everything Saturday at the last minute.
Im just not prepared to put all the blame on Fox without considering that the schedule change could have contributed to their issues.
I made the same point Saturday and should have brought it up again here.
It's very possible FOX didn't have their full crew at the track. But I'll also argue that fans have made similar complaints about them for a couple years now.
@EricEstepp I keep hearing that, but I've honestly never had much to complain about with fox.
I have more of an issue with the second half figuring out where I can find practice, qualifying, the race, post race etc on USA, NBC, peacock, etc...
@johnhaas2523 you don't really need as many cameras or production crew to cover 6 or 8 cars at a time.
I think your making an assumption that you can't possibly prove.
@@jscott9360
I agree with you 100% in everything you said
@johnhaas2523 every crew member needs a hotel room Saturday night to be there both Saturday and Sunday. In LA that ain't cheap. It adds up. They may have tried to bring some more of them in Sunday morning to stay on budget.
FOX at this point just doesn’t seem to care
Exactly because they'd also have a streaming service at this point too
Fox sports has been a lazy network for nascar
The NFL is king in the US so i wouldnt be surprised if they put more effort into the NFL because thats just a more mainstream sport
clint is also a joke of a commentator
I hope you are wrong...FOX has been so much better than NBC
FOX always seem to treat the fans like children
NBC actually treats NASCAR like an actual sport and treats it viewers with some actual knowledge of the sport
People complain about Dale and Jeff’s voices but I’ll take that every day with their overall production and quality of the production over Fox’s completely lack luster production, Kevin was good Mike is still decent but Clint is just not it for me.
Whoever thought Jeff Burton should be in the NBC booth is clearly an Arr-tard. Dale Jr is just too invested in the sport to care, the only time he did hold back was when he call the back of the Gen 6 car "Giant-@$$ spoilers"
@@darthhull85 Kevin might turn out to be my favorite announcer this year, the amount of knowledge he has from driving these cars really carries over to the broadcasts. Loved him talking about splitting the brake rotor compounds on Saturday.
ehhh, not all of the time
@@darthhull85 Dale and Jeff at least talk the truth about what’s actually happening
It seems Clint and Jeff at the time tried to sugarcoat everything
That’s bs tell us the FACTS it won’t bite us
The poor TV production takes on an even higher degree of dissatisfaction when you realize you are paying for cable/streaming services and still have to view the stupid all-too-frequent commercials.
For real. I get a good deal with sling and even then it’s beyond frustrating
I remember a few years ago hearing about live sports on streaming for the first time and, considering how this was back when ads were only just starting to appear on every streamer, I actually thought, "Wow! Does that mean no more lengthy commercial breaks?"
Oh, how innocent and naive I was.
I'm old enough to remember when TV was free & commercials were just accepted & more or less appreciated. It wasn't until greed took that away & since I've had to pay for what we used to get for free (welcome to the 21st century) it is very frustrating. A couple of years ago I timed the race vs. commercials (including the "bought to you by" crap following the commercials) & commercials took up 1/5th of the broadcast. So I/we missed 100 miles of a 500 mile race. And we're paying for that?? 😒 I usually watch the broadcast live (but mute all commercials which I do for all TV. I refuse to accept the forced propaganda) but if I miss it for one reason or another (it rains & then it's on a channel/network I don't get) I will download a pirate version where someone has gone to the trouble of editing all commercials out & it is soooo nice to watch the race with no commercials. It's a couple days late but it's worth it not to have to watch the same commercial over & over & over. Years ago now there was a website called JustinTV that somehow got the broadcast in real time with no commercials or breaks. It seemed to be a feed right from "the truck." Those were the days my friends! 👍
That's why NBC is way better
I used to be a camera man for college football. Now I know it's a bit different and Im not sure what Fox tell's their camera men and women for motorsports but rule of thumb is to keep the shot wide and if anything the networks production staff can zoom in if necessary. However, I notice that for the past couple of years that the camera operators for both Fox and NBC are not keeping the shot wide enough which is why they are missing a lot of the action.
THANK YOU Yes!
Ya shoulda been here when Jimmie Johnson was racing. There's no WAY the cameras could've gotten any tighter on that 48. Out of 4, crop out 2nd place, pass slow car at S/F line get flagstand to track angle; into 1 car goes high and 2nd cuts low - crop out 2nd and switch to infield up to middle of 1 & 2 angle. Cars side by side down backstretch, 48 falls back to 2nd, new leader, stay tight on 48 into turn 3; end of the lead lap car blows tire in front of new leader going in to 4, crop out both victim and leader, go to pit road up to turn 4 exit angle on 48 only. It was like that lap after lap after lap. Infuriating! Lots of racing going on, but the production trailer must've gotten steaks and potatoes grilled and served by Lowe's during late lunch at the track because it was like that every race.
@@shannon3n8 Ive been watching since 01 but never noticed the cameras and how they focused on Johnson. haha. The only time I notice something different with the cameras was when Chevy sponsored the Richmond races.
I have this same complaint. I literally never want to see a zoomed in closeup of one car...
I’ve noticed that when Mike joy says “crash” it takes Fox sports like a few seconds to even show the wreck.
Which is why I go to the races in person on the Fox half. Too CRINGE to watch at home
The Clash belongs in Daytona it was part of speedweeks for years. Having cars on the track daily practicing for the clash, qualifying, and the 500 got fans more hyped for the coming season than anything else.
the clash Don't Belong at Daytona it need be used a Experiment race
Yes and kick off the season with a champions only race (Cup and Daytona 500 champions only).
Daytona week was the best. Now you messed with the Super Bowl of racing. No wonder ppl are turning away from NASCAR
@@johnhaas2523 and that is why there are not people in the stands
Fox is the legit reason I “pirate” stream the international feed most of the time
It's also the reason why I save up to go to the races on its half of the schedule. It's just too CRINGE at this point
Praise allah every Sunday for those streams
It is just not fox or nascar. Every racing series broadcasted by a US broadcast sucks, there is no focus on the race.
@@ramdart74 with the exception of F1 on ESPN which is basically ESPN using the Sky Sports F1 global feed to cover the race.
@@chrisguardiano6143 the only thing that makes F1 broadcasts interesting is the announcers get SUPER into the race. They hype it up so much despite nothing exciting ever happening on track
I think harvick's no nonsense personality can help Fox clean some of this up. He's not afraid to speak up
Yeah, but money talks at CRINGE. At least NBC knew this and let Jr do his own thing via podcasts and the like, bringing in even more money than what CRINGE is doing
this is one race, we will see
I mean JR has a pure love for the sport vs doing it as a job. He's our generations Benny Parsons.
Harvick is our last hope at this point
@@EndlessFlameout4 besides JR.
I agree with rotating classic short tracks hosting the All Star Race on the condition that North Wilkesboro gets a points race, likely replacing Spring Bristol.
Im fine with this, I'm fine with the clash going somewhere like Hickory.
I'm with you. I literally filed a written complaint under the "feedback" option on their website. I've never done that before for anything else. I pay $80 a month just to get the NASCAR races. What am I paying for?
This was the first ever nascar broadcast I’ve ever watched. Without the context of what a proper broadcast should be, I absolutely noticed that the commentators were often discussing somthing happening off camera. I did also frequently find myself annoyed at the crowd shots.
Welcome! Hopefully Daytona will be better on the tv side. On the race side it is always exciting.
@@extragoogleaccount6061 funny you should say that, I’m going to be there in person :-) lived about 30 mins from the track for almost 20 years. I fell in love with oval racing after discovering it on iracing and bought a ticket in November.
I just don't understand how you can miss so many things at that tiny track. I went to the race the first two years and I could literally see everything without moving my head.
Spoke to one of the “younger” camera guys on fb, who I know personally and he said this:
Honestly it’s a bunch of old guys stuck in their ways. The director is ancient and been doing it forever so he won’t listen to anyone and the camera guys are just as old and set in their ways shooting way too tight etc. also the weird thing is NBC has a camera spotter and Fox just hast them shoot whatever. Until these old dudes retire, I don’t see anything changing. I just work to make what I can control the best I can
That is interesting. Maybe its because I'm old, but I prefer that. I don't want to see bumper cams, spoiler cams, brake pedal cams, fan cams. I just want to watch the race.
After watching the Netflix series and remembering how good NBC I was praying Fox did at least SOMETHING to improve coverage this is kind of a pivotal moment in the sport to become more popular and Fox isn’t doing it any favors.
Fox missed a few moments from the Sonoma race last year too. Blaney was spun with three laps to go on turn 2 and they didn't show it, it wasn't on the highlight reel they posted to UA-cam the same day either.
I was there, he spun twice, no sign of it when I rewatched it when got home
@@TheAnimationStationYT I was there too, IIRC, i believe I ended up seeing the second spin on the extended highlights, but they did miss it during the broadcast
Love that you are doing power rankings!!
Fox does this on every sport they broadcast. I like Matt Weaver's take on the All-Star and combine it with the short track idea of Justin Marks and I think you are good to go. It's easier to get to those tracks in May through July than end of January, beginning of February. As for the Clash, definitely experiment. I do want to see one year a run on the beach, go really old school.
If only the Daytona city council thought like you... they kicked NASCAR off their July 4 date recently, so the odds of a beach race happening are much less
I’m an advocate for running the clash in Mexico. I think they start with Mexico City next year at the local Mexico NASCAR track - Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez. F1 races there on the road course, NASCAR Mexico races there and Xfinity has raced there in the past, it should be a quality facility, and it supports a few road course configurations and a 1-mile oval. If it is well received, they go back annually and move the event around the country. If it’s not a winner, then back to the drawing board. Also, it is closer to NC than LA is. They may need an extra travel day to deal with customs, but that can be worked out.
If they race in Mexico they have to make sure Kyle Busch doesnt bring a gun with him
I feel that they should race there... as a POINTS race. Mexico has already shown NASCAR that they want racing Cup over there, and this is a prime opportunity to do so. They just need to remove TexARSE, or take away a 2nd date from any track that has one, and it's gold. The Clash feels like something domestic, to be held in US soil. Seeing the multiple configurations, they can put Xfinity on the oval, and Cup on the F1 layout just to spit in their faces after that Chicago scandal
We may as well just give the damn country to Mexico. Idk wtf is wrong with people these day. Send our clash to fucking Mexico Be missimg half the field when they get back. Cartel will get half of them. Wtf do we need a race in Mexico. Put it at wilkesboro oo Bette they put it back at Daytona where it belongs. NASCAR is stupid. Too dumb to see the more they change the more the ratings drop
There's lots of different power rankings out there but Eric's is quickly becoming my favourite. Look forward to week 1
I'm still blown away by the fact they managed to miss stuff at a track where you can literally get the entire thing in one shot....
Looking forward to another season of your input Eric! Bad coverage at these races is such a disservice for the fans. Love the power rankings!!! Logano will again be in the final 4 w/Byron, Busch and Larson. PS: little favor here for a fan, yah gotta square off the bottom nascar sign under the other 3 or the OCD may kick in to overdrive 😂
Love and look forward to your content man. Thanks for giving us fans some content to get by on til race weekend.
I think NASCAR should look into revitalizing Greenville-Pickens Speedway in Greenville, SC. Its a very historic track. A lot of big name drivers have raced there and it was the sight of NASCAR 's first televised race.
That would be huge for the area, especially since it is near one of the highest percentage metros watching in the country
Greenville county has blow up and is a huge melting pot too. The track is in a prime location as well. Between Atlanta and Charlotte, and near Columbia Metro
I LOVE the power rankings segment. I would look at changing up how you display the drivers. The two columns make it more difficult to see the top 10 at a glance. Also, I would add their new ranking number beside them when as well as last week's. Usually, when someone is ranked after being left off the poll the week before, they are given the designation "NR" for "Not Ranked" I cannot wait to see how the power rankings progress throughout the year!
About the broadcast, it's really weird what happened. I'm a technical director and producer of live events (including racing) for Brazilian television and looking at the clash footage I'm puzzled. I know that Nascar is developing a new remote broadcast center at NC and debuted it with the Daytona 24 hours a few weeks ago. And to me, what we saw during the clash is a sign that at least some of the broadcast was done remotely. The camera panning abruptly to the other side of the track is a sign that you lost communications with that operator and/or lost network connection with the equipment that cuts the cameras. That also can result on messy on time replays, that you can recover easier hours later, as we saw in social media later. I don't think those gigantic mistakes will happen again at Daytona, but I'm concerned that Nascar and the TV broadcaster may be cutting expenses way too agressively...
I love hearing your takes on things.
I feel like there's some kinda disconnect when it comes to Fox, because whenever asked about it, the higher ups seem enthusiastic about keeping Nascar around on their family of networks. Yet the quality of their broadcasts indicate the exact opposite of that sentiment.
Pretty much. NASCAR should have kicked them out of the new deal and let NBC take over
OMG! Thank you!!! I've been wondering about this since last year, this was horrible. FOX needs to address this immediately. Thank you, thank you fir bringing it up. And I agree with EVERYTHING else you mentioned! You just gained a new subscriber.
Like at the end of the day, you guys filmed the race in a football stadium. If you guys miss the action in that sort of deal, Lord knows what a track like Daytona might be like.
You're absolutely right. The broadcast matters. I've complained about the direction of the broadcasts for quite some time now. It's so good to know it's not just me.
LOVE the addition of the power rankings
Nascar gave them a 5 hour notice that were racing. At least they got the race in.
If FOX cans the fly by camera it would pay off huge dividends. They continue to not understand that using that camera as the default restart camera, especially on short tracks when the leaders get to the corner before the last car passes the camera, is a huge source of blocking the viewer from on track action.
I took the Fan Council Survey. Found one of the questions very interesting. I was asked how many non points events I would like to see? The options were 1, 2, 3, and 4+. I chose 2 but thinking about it, I would like to see the All-Star race evolve. Keep the Clash as an experiment with heats and knockouts at new venues. Stop doing 3 year deals move it around. Then let’s bring back the shootout. This allows us to expand Daytona and make it at least SpeedWeek. Give it its pole winner qualification status and have someone sponsor it for a big payday for the teams/driver who wins it. Plus it’s a bonus Daytona practice for those that qualify for it.
8:38 why did the sudden music scare me, I jumped so hard it felt like a jumpscare 💀
I'd like to point out this thing I love about IMSA and their UA-cam channel, when they upload the races, the graphics are, in my opinion, simple. A simple class leaderboard for the classes and top notch commentary. Nascar can learn a few things with how to produce a broadcast.
Fire camera man and fox director
100 percent right about the missed shots… how can they not c what we are screaming/threw online complaining 🤔 Thanks for calling it out ..
The cameras in the stadium also also showed the spotters and crew chiefs thinkpads. I had no clue who they were during the race
I think the clash should be an international race.
I love the all star race to be at local tracks that they put some type of investment in. The all star race can be raced anywhere because of weather.
I think the Clash should stay at the Coliseum 1 more year, so they can stay in the LA market. Then, have the Auto Club Short Track ready for the 2026 season.
Clash: Daytona
All-Star Race: Charlotte (or whatever the most exciting track is given the rules package, but I think that is Charlotte for now)
New Markets: Give them a Thursday night SRX-style race, or take away some second dates and give them a real race.
@@johnhaas2523 lol please explain how you drew that conclusion from what I said.
must be reading my comments eric ;) thanks for noticing this HUGE camera control problem.
its hard to get new people to care about nascar when it seems one of our main broadcasters does not care. they are solid with the nfl but they just dont care about nascar
I personally thing nascar should bring the clash to Rockingham. I think it’s a convenient opportunity to bring back another forgotten track. It has a shape that the other tracks don’t have and i think it could bring back some old fans.
But Weather
@@BeautifulAngelBlossom wut?
100% spot on. I thought it was just me…the perspective was not thrilling. Wanted more overview/overhead shots..maybe some split screens showing the action. Car cams are great but need to pan out. Capture all the action. Its a tiny track.
I agree, this race truly merited the top ranking!
You are absolutely right, the broadcast was absolutely terrible! Fox should be ashamed of itself!
NASCAR at Mount Panorama for the Clash?
My pick for a renewal of The Clash would be at El Dorado Speedway near the city of Chihuahua, Mexico. The NASCAR México Series was in my opinion a great addition to the weekend, so why not broaden NASCAR's market even more. The speedway itself needs renovation for both surface & facilities (lighting is already installed around the track). Track facilities need a huge overhaul though, as it looks very vacant at this point in time.
The broadcast is everything.
Found out Sunday that nascar was rebranding Talladega Superspeedway. Was wondering if you had heard anything about it Eric Estepp?
The Chastain bumper cam had me laughing
I think something in Idaho would be good. I’d love to see them race at Findlay Stadium Stateline Speedway. It’s a small track but it would bring some attention to Pacific Northwest that’s is needed.
It would be cool to see them erect something short term for stands and hold the All-Star race at Oxford Plains Speedway. I realize Maine is tough to get people to travel to but the track is one of the OG tracks.
Love the show like your power rankings although I think Chase Elliott needs to be in those rankings. See you in Daytona
I might be in the minority here but IMO the Clash should stay in Los Angeles until Auto Club Speedway's renovation is finished. I know there's no clear timetable on when that will be completed, but the LA/SoCal area is too big of a car culture hotspot to not have some kind of NASCAR event there for a few more years. If the city or region doesn't have something, even if it's only for a few more years, interest might go way down. They have to consistently have something in or near LA. Once the Auto Club renovations are finished, then it would be cool to see them experiment with something somewhere else.
The clash has been so bad in LA even though nascar desperately wants it to work it's just not tenable. Good. Anything would be better than this tiny track with has been musicians.
On top of the production (and i get having to move time slots around and whatnot) but i wish they wouldve just kept the basketball game slated after the race on FS2 and kept the Mexico series race on FS1. I feel like we could've had a proper post race/pre race part 2 and possibly more views on the race. Especially since the race already went over and was already about a quarter through the first half when the broadcast ended.
I’ve been complaining about the audio quality on NBC since they started carrying NASCAR. The back ground or ambient sound is always covering the voices in the booth, the pits and everywhere accept the commercials and you can bet you ass that production is perfect. The TV sound person must be watching the blinking lights on the mixer instead of listening to the quality of the master control. Mic checks done before the race with no cars running or on the track is one thing, fixing it must be beyond their abilities.
Fox video production is lacking and most of the cameras are remote ran from the truck by one or two people. The director could have been phoning it in from his girlfriend house.
After 40 years of radio production and engineering I went to work in a TV station. I ask why the audio was so bad. The engineers told me that’s the way television works, we have pictures, and it’s not the same as radio. I wish I’d had a camera on their millennial faces when I said
“What part do you not understand; television is still just radio with pictures.” ABC and CBS had a better NASCAR broadcast back in the day than what we get from FOX or NBC now. Oh, might be because boomers were in charge back in the day. Watch a race on radio. MRN and PRN still do a fine job.
I don't see Reddick or Bell doing much this year , but agree with the rest of your picks .
The Clash or All-Star Races should go Internationally to Australia or New Zealand & goto more local tracks in the US like a race at The Freedom Factory owned by Cleetus McFarland in Florida.
It is pretty sad, LOL, like a first family VHS camcorder at a Nascar event in 2024.🤣I've seen some really good footage of local track racing that is a lot more in depth with better zooms and complete on track action from folks in the stands recording some good late model racing. Floracing has incredible short track and dirt track footage and has some really great camera angles in different camera spots, maybe Nascar needs to start watching some old school short track racing over there.
5:06 I WISH They would have it at New Smyrna Speedway! I was going to say that's one of my favorite short tracks to go in central Florida!
They showed the Stenhouse/Nemechek incident on the stadium screens right after it happened.
Id be interested in seeing rotating tracks between new venue and classic track yearly. One year a new market and next a classic track. Mix it up a bit instead of same place every year. Especially since its not a points race. Id be interested in the all star doing something similar
FOX also did a horrible job explaining anything, I’ve watched the last two clashes and _I_ forgot a lot of the rules. How are new fans, the new fans that started watching because of Full Speed supposed to know what’s going on? They barely explained that it’s an exhibition, barely explained why it went to red flag under caution or why there was a half time break.
@@johnhaas2523 a) it’s the clash the rules are unique and b) too bad? like clearly it needs to be a balance but this was the wrong end of it
The power ranking music is fire
Eric you put more effort into your videos than fox does into their broadcast. Let that sink in.
I feel like the best way to revive the clash would be to take it to Rockingham. Think about it, we already have wilkesboro, and the Rock would be a great place to hold an exhibition race.
Problem is, NASCAR is not interested in returning to Rockingham at all, and if they did, they would just put dirt on it and call it a race like they did Bristol. North Wilkesboro only made it back because Dale Jr did 80% of the work by cleaning up the speedway for an iRacing scan for his private use, and that attracted attention of the fanbase at the time, and started a movement out of it
2025 clash in the Rogers Centre up in Toronto... Let's try that.
I was that guy who said that the 4th of July race should be roving, A different city every year , city’s that don’t have a nascar track , Boston , denver , Niagara Falls and that could be a way to bring in new people , But maybe the clash could be roving, … to a point , it would have to be more southern states because Boston or Niagara Falls could be knee deep in snow on February 5th
🏖️ Clash should be on Daytona Beach. 🏎️ + 🏖️ = 😎
NASCAR should also consider moving the clash to Puebla, Mexico, at the Autódromo Miguel E. Abed. It's a 1.28 mile oval with a relatively large seating capacity.
Eric's Power Rankings didn't make sense. Chastain got bumped out the Top 10 for finishing 15th and Reddick moved up a spot to 5th despite finishing 14th one spot ahead of Chastain. I agree about Toyota it looks like they're gonna pick up where they left off last season or better. Be interesting to see how Legacy performs not getting info from JGR.
If NASCAR had a big enough budget, they should do "The International Clash".
Idk where the clash should go next, but it should go SOMEWHERE! Don't abandon it! That was fun to watch!
NBC broadcast and Announcers are much better.
Absolutely Fox crew is the worst
Saw one insightful comment. It's become clear that fox did not pay a ton of money to broadcast racing. They paid to have the rights to advertise to NASCAR fans.
F1 coverage should be something that NASCAR should be looking to emulate. There are a lot of things that F1 doesn’t do so well and it definitely chases money too much, but the production, coverage and commentary of a race is consistently fantastic and really elevates the experience of watching a race
F1 has the benefit of having its own internally run broadcast team due to F1 TV which means it runs with no ads and Sky Sports which works on British broadcasting rules
Thanks for venting someone has to say it.
I also believe NASCAR should consider taking the Clash or the Allstar Race to Bowen Gray Stadium.
I think the Clash should be back at Daytona. It would be wonderful to have Speedweeks back
Fox didn't even have the courtesy to let my cable company have the correct channel for their guide
NH with snow tires it would be the best race NH ever had 😂
Fox needs to re-think how they approach directing their broadcast.
Commercials are happening at the same rate they always have. The actual broadcast is the true problem. They just miss so many things. I remember they came back from a break and they had a 15 second bumper that was slow motion of the cars going through one corner. But we could’ve gone to a wide of the track instead so we could see the action.
The racing seemed AWESOME. It’s a shame it couldn’t be appreciated. It reminded me on Gen 6 Martinsville almost.
I live in Montreal, and I'll speak for all of us. We'd love to have you!
Agreed with you're take on FOX poor TV production - on another topic - what happened to your lighting set up?
se the clash as the new Dirt race. No points, not a full garantee starting field. Still run heats and a B main. Run them out west still or even down in FL. Agreed that the allstart should be short track racing at a smaller track.
Can’t believe Fox didn’t show Stenhouse and JHN confrontation, they showed it on the scoreboards like right after it happened
Why when commercials come on are they're not side by side views so we can watch the race still?
Production aside, or possibly as a result, if we think it is oversaturated (it certainly seems to be) why do we have 2 in effect all star exhibition races? Go with either the ASR or the Clash and let the other die for an extra off weekend.
Here's the interesting tidbit: Last driver that overdrove a corner and ran into Logano on a short track, with the ensuing post race confrontation, went on to win the championship in 2020.
Who did FOX say was flying fast in the clash?
Next years Clash should be at old racetracks like Rockingham!
You know, the more I think about it. Why couldn't the Clash be like an "endurance" race. JGR enters 1 car, all 4 drivers drive it. Hendricks, SHR, Penske/Wood Brothers, 23XI/LMS, etc., all enter 1 car each. Maybe an 8 hour race on DIS road course, each driver does a 1/4 of it.
I thought something would change now that A- They've been inked into the new TV deal. and B- Nascar productions spared them form bringing in their own crew; that there would be some kind of positive change. Wow I was very wrong
The last two times Toyota changed their model, a veteran who started in the Gen 4 era drove a Toyota to a championship, both the first of their respective careers.
The last time Ford changed their model, a Toyota won the championship that year.
Both Toyota and Ford changed their models for 2024, and Denny Hamlin is the only Gen 4 veteran driving a Toyota without a title.
Denny Hamlin will win the 2024 Cup Series championship.
And whatever happened to the NASCAR Mexico series race after the cup race? Did FOX even tape it?
They did show it after the cup race Saturday on FOX. And they replayed it Sunday & Monday on cable.
busch clash
where do they run it?
la coliseum
what are they thinking about?
international racing
whats a candidate for that?
mexico city, mexico
whats in mexico city, mexico?
estadio azteca, home of the mexico soccer team
what do we do with stadiums?
WE BUILD A GOD DAM RACE TRACK!!!
The clash should be ran in Eric's backyard
The chili bowl
I’m annoyed from the lack of quality in the broadcast. The most frustrating part is the new fans that just watched the Netflix show and who decided to watch the clash to try and get into Nascar, it doesn’t make a very good first impression in my opinion.