thanks for this review style...long have had my mind set on getting a 261 - I have no need for a saw, mind you, but i'm in California and in not too long a time getting a useful powerhead may not be an option. was at my local ace this morning, which has a stihl section, and saw the 271 and almost bought it just based on price and thinking "can't be that big a difference" but as you show, i think it's a big enough difference for me that the 261 will be the choice
Right, I think it's likely that 2 cycle engines won't be around for too much longer. I've read Husqvarna is reducing their gas offerings to focus on electric power tools, so possibly just a matter of time before others do the same. Some of the cordless chainsaws are quite good in the homeowner space, but to my knowledge, no one offers anything close to a mid-sized or larger professional saw that would come close to a MS261 or similar. Not a bad idea to buy a highly durable gas saw while their still available.
One thing worth mentioning My 271 can cut 3/4 of a cord of wood On a little less than a tank its great on fuel…… As long as you always keep your chain sharp….
It's a good point; I didn't touch on fuel efficiency. I haven't noticed a difference between the 261 and 271, but both are much more fuel efficient than my old 46cc Craftsman chainsaw made by MTD. I believe the added efficiency comes from higher compression and the stratified engine design. Interesting topic for future video.
@@outdoorsinoregon I only mention because I have two Husqvarna's professional series 500 series super light 50 something cc and I go through almost 3 times more fuel which is crazy.... Maybe because they're higher revving? I will tell you this I'm looking forward to getting a 261 for making some beams... if it gets the same kind of fuel economy as the 271 I'll be in heaven...lol
Hello from New Zealand! Thanks for your video….. even my local Stihl dealer couldn’t give me this type of in depth comparison between these two saws. Really appreciate the time you put into making the video.
I run saws everyday for a living and I've ran both of these saw for a very long time . In my experience the 271 can be fussy to start at times . Not saying every one has that issue but its happened to me more then a few times . But when ur in a tree or in a bucket it pisses u off when u gotta throttle start ur saw over and over again. The 261 I've never had an issue . That being said if ur just cutting firewood or need a good homeowners saw 271 is definitely a good choice but it isn't the 50cc saw I would recommend tho. That would be the husqvarna 550xp mark ii or 545 xp they are around the same price and prob the best 50cc saws made Imo. And I'm a Stihl guy so it pains me to say it.
The difference in quality starts to show after a few years of use. That 261 will be running like the day you bought it. The plastic clamshell saw.... Not so much lol. Sometimes more expensive is cheaper in the long run. Great video sir!
@@johnmalatesta751Yeah, and almost none of the stihl saws still running after 30 years of regular use are the clamshell motors that can’t really be worked on.
Best comparison video I've seen for these two saws. I've been on the fence, trying to decide which of them to buy. I have an older 026 that is my go to for firewood cutting, (heat both my house and shop with mixed hardwoods). For larger trees I use my 034 with a either a 18 or 24" bar. But my 034 AV needs a new carburetor and the stihl repair guy says the cost will be $250 to convert to different style carb, because of age of saw. I'm 72, so the compression release on the 261 would be a benifit for me. Your video is a huge help for me, thank you for taking the time to share.
An 034 aftermarket carb is the same as MS340/360 , and can be bought for about £15 in the UK. Majority of Stihl use Chinese Zama carbs , who conveniently Stihl now owns. Hope this helps. It even says on Stihl carbs - Zama . Possibly wasn't on 034 however. The only mod I needed was to remove the throttle connecting button from the original carb (circlip) should you have the old cable on the hedge trimmers, the chainsaws you do not have that issue
the 261 is by far my favorite saw for everyday use! It is light, powerful, and very well balanced. I origionally bought my 261cm with a 18" bar but just bought a 16" stihl light 04 bar and cant wait to get sawing with it.
@@outdoorsinoregon yeah you shouldn’t have any problems with a 20”, 16” usually gets me by with most things so I wanted to try it out and making it a little lighter is always a plus.
My ten year old 170 is still running great with very poor care. Some what sketchy for larger logs and bigger projects. I was pleased with your comparison as well presented and clear. Just what I needed.
Thanks so much for the video. I was deciding between these two and it really informed my decision to bite the bullet and spend some extra to get the 261. Buy once, cry once, right? The build quality in the 261 is worth the extra $200 in the long run in my opinion
Very good honest, no bias comparison. They very similar but you pointed out the differences. I have a Husqvarna 450 I have been using a few years now and just bought the Stihl MS261 because they start real easy, the M-Tronics keeps it tuned and as I am getting older so the decompression valve and less weight is waaaaaaay worth the extra money.
Thank you. I've had my MS261 for 3 years now and have been very happy with it. I've worked it pretty hard, but it's been perfectly reliable, always fires right up, and runs great. And I agree; the light weight and decompression valve make this saw much easier to live with.
Only fool's try to save a few hundred dollars on a saw. Plastic crankcases are bullshit. I toyed with getting the 261 but went with the 361. Oh man it's a grunty beast of a mid size. Torquey little bugger. It doesn't have the shear ass balls of my 660 but it rips. So easy to start. Two position start switch is really effective. I love the air filter cartridge. So easy to clean. And quarter turn retaining screws are so much better than the old type. You can't loose them. Stihls pro range really has everything sorted now. Go pro or go home until you've saved enough. I want saws that last a lifetime not till lunch time.
Forgot to mention I like your review, wonderful job. I got 261 with m-tropic 20” 362 also 20” 462 with lite bar, and finally just got 500i with 25” standard bar. All are awesome saws. Good luck with your saws.
For cutting firewood would it be a better option to get 462cm instead of 261 because i like to cut faster.Is the fuel and bar oil consumption a lot more on 462?Or maybe a 362.
I have both and use them equally as much. I maintain 48 acres and cut a minimum of five cords for home heating and have to fell 30-40 ash trees every year plus a few more for general maintenance. Both saws work very well for me.
Can't speak to 271 but I have 261c and 362c both brand new ran erratically with no reason would stall coming out the cut. I switched to 550xp and 562xp much more predictable just sold the 261 and will be selling the 362 as well. Stihl dealer support was bad and Stihl themselves was no better. Take that for what it's worth.
Try doing the M-Tronic recalibration. If you don’t feel comfortable doing it, ask the dealer to do it. Other people have did this and it fixed this issue
@@shadowdestined2992 yes have had to do that multiple times seems to take care of the issues for about a week then starts with the same problems all over.
Thanks for the comparison. A few years ago, I was using an old hand powered crosscut saw to cut firewood. I was cutting side by side with a friend who was using a cheap rental gas-powered chainsaw. He was able to make 20 cuts to my one cut. So, while a few seconds per cut is a noticeable difference any chainsaw is a fantastic tool compared to the old school option. By the way, I have graduated to a Stihl 271 as my primary cutter and it is still doing great after 5 years.
Good information. I run a 271 to clear trails for an ATV tour company, don't see the cost benefit of saving a couple hundred dollars and getting a less durable, rougher, slower saw. Seems to have an ongoing issue with the oiler as well.
Hello friend, I bought the MS271 instead of the MS261 b/c of price and amount of expected use. The price difference in the saws was spent initially on PPE, fuel, extra chain etc. It's interesting how much the extra 1/2 HP works out so well. In the future I'll probably up-grade to the 261 for the build quality, increased power and lighter weight. Great compare/contrast video.
@@outdoorsinoregon I've had it for a few years now. I use it a few times a year and fire it up about once a month just to make sure it fires. I want it to work if I need it in a hurry. You said you used your Farm Boss on a saw mill. Did you have any problems, tip or tricks needed with the saw working like that? Thanks
@@charliefoxtrot7219 Yes, I milled a good deal of lumber with the MS271 and had no problems at all. Not long ago, I inspected the piston and cylinder, and I was surprised to see it still looked almost brand new. Keep in mind I'm usually milling fir and cedar 14" in diameter or smaller (not big oak, etc.) It is slow going with the MS271, but it can do the job if you're willing to take your time. My advice is to warm up the saw at least 30 seconds before cutting, use a good synthetic oil, keep your chain sharp, and let the saw cool between cuts or mid-way through a long cut, and the saw should last a good long while.
i just bought a brand new 271 cost me about $525 after tax (18"bar) and kinda wish i would have gotten a pro line saw but the 271 does a great job so far. what i did do though was go buy a older 038 super and that thing rips like a scalded ape just needed a little cleaning. i believe its pre 89 because it says made in west Germany but not 100% on the date but it is a certified unit, just a little heavy by today standards, i also picked up a ms290 i wanna do the big bore top end kit on but its a good running saw (clutch is on its way out though i think) and im having a hard time justifying tearing up a decent running saw lol but i been getting into power saws lately and wanna learn. love the review man hope all is going good and cheers from southwest MI the guy i got my 038 from has a hoard of old stihls thinking about buying him out. hes got several 056 and 028 024 i think 400.00 take the lot, not all run but some do.
Yeah, I noticed the price of the new Stihl's has increased, along with everything else. I'm glad I bought my 271 when they were still $399 with 20" bar (plus no sales tax in Oregon). I imagine this crazy inflation will make older saws more attractive. Glad you liked the review, thanks!
@@outdoorsinoregon yup the guy i bought the 038 from had several old saws ones a 041 056 034 041 and a few 020 series saws think about buying to lot from him hes asking 300 for the rest of what he has. some run some dont. i know he said the 056 does run some are in rougher shape than others
Oh one thing I noticed and not sure if it is just my 391 and 250 . Two pulls on full choke and move up one stage and sometimes one pull they fire up. However I only run the Stihl fuel.
I was about to go with husky, but kept hearing about people not being able to get parts for them, or hard to get and takes a while. After work today I picked up a brand new ms271 from my local dealer. I'm sure it's more saw than I'll ever need unless I hit the lottery and buy a farm😂
@kdcustoms1272 when it comes to pro saws it's to each his own. For us farmers and woodburners who are living in poverty the stihl is way better for the buck. My 55cc stihl eats up the 55cc husky saws. They only have a single bar bolt? But they both make great saws. Had a 33cc makita that was a ripper for it's size.
@matthewotis3594 I've seen some stihls with only 1 bar bolt, and have heard of them shearing.. I believe it was the 251. I've heard nothing but good things about makita.
On the 271 you can't adjust bar oil unfortunately, I don't have a 261 but I believe you can due to the fact it's a Pro Saw. Just thought I'd mention that.
@@j.chrisbeck7492 on a 271? 20"bar isn't going to oil well if at all. I run power saws daily and modified it to get more oil and still burn up the bar.. only pro saws can be Adjusted nowadays.
@@user-ug2rn7sr9i been using this saw for 3 straight years now, have only experienced that a couple of times on extremely dry hardwoods, and only if I was pushing it. If I just let it eat on its own, it's always been good, and PS- my chains are ALWAYS SHARP.
I love my 261roollermatic itss a baaad saw it loves to eat.i keep up with a 390 farm boss and use less fuel but u got be fast and sharp must have chaps and boots
Great review! Seems only the solenoid (M-tronic) version can be had now, I'll ask my dealer though, but if they can't get the non-"moronic" (what the pro's call them) I'd have to get a 12-13 year old used saw which will probably outlast me but in the offchance it doesn't (I'm talking major powerhead/clamshell failure) I'll be out of warranty and luck. Been reading up on it and from what I can see, the early variants are the ones to watch out for, but little to nothing from professionals about the later versions so I guess they've given up entirely.
For what it's worth, I just checked with my local dealer, and they are still selling both the M-tronic and non-M-tronic versions of the MS261 and have stock in both. They have told me that as long as Stihl is making them, they can order them upon request. Some dealers just try to sell you what they have on hand and don't want to deal with order requests, so I might suggest calling around and specifically ask to order the version you want if they don't have it in stock.
Great video. You covered the differences very well and I'm sure it will help others choose the right saw for them. I prefer Stihl's pro saws hands down myself. The rim sprocket on the pro saw has the advantage of changing it out easy without replacing the whole clutch drum. Also you can change from a 6,7 or 8 tooth sprockets as long as you get the oiler worm gear that matches and to other chain pitch too. It is more versatile. The pro saws are meant to hold up longer through heavier use than the homeowner saws. All around better quality. The 261 has one of the best power to weight ratios too. Thanks for sharing your testing with us. 😎👍
It seems like the extra cost of the 261 (I think ~$250 CDN?) is going to be worthwhile, since I want my saw to last 10-15yrs. I can see some of the 271 parts failing in that time.
Thanks... That was an excellent video.... I always look at durability well before I look at performance etc. The 261 would be my choice for that alone. I'm still using a 260C after 20yrs and even if its getting a bit old, it still sings pretty well while it throws chain oil everywhere..... But it was built like a tank and that's how I like gear to be. If the 261 is anywhere near as good, then most likely it will be the last machine I ever buy..... Beautiful little girl by the way.... Your Daughter? You'd be so proud.
@@outdoorsinoregon Just one question on the 261. I've yet to go up to the dealer to have a look. Two questions actually. First, does it have a variable chain oiler adjustment screw? And second, Serial Number or engine number..... Does yours start with either 1 2 or 5? If it starts with 8 then I'll keep on walking. By the way, how is Portland looking these days? Its been looking pretty ugly for a few years now from what we've seen coming out of the country on video and news.
@@RollingEasy Yes, one difference that I forgot to mention in the video is that the MS261 has an adjustable oiler and the MS271 does not. Most of the newer Stihl saws available in the states (mine included) start with a 5 in the serial # and are assembled in the US. The crime rate in Portland has increased significantly over the last few years. Property crime, shootings, and drugs have all increased. Where it used to be safer than most US cities its size, it's now closer to average or somewhat worse. The kinds of crimes that are happening frequently now used to be rare.
@@outdoorsinoregon I've just been up to the dealership... They don't and won't stock the 261 standard without the M Tronics.... And that machine is on the shelf and I can bet my life its made in Xhina.... No thanks and I'm pretty sad about that..... I'm now researching Husqvarna.... I absolutely and totally refuse to give one single cent of my money over to Xhina.... Most crimes today are based around drugs one way or another.... If I had the power to impose sentences, I would give every dealer, importer, seller and manufacture of drugs 25yrs in the slammer with not a second of parole or reduced time until those 25yrs were up. I'm actually being kind saying that. The truth is I'd do the same thing to them that some Asian countries do to their drug dealers.
@@RollingEasy To my knowledge, none of the Stihl pro saws, including the MS261, are made in China. The MS261 is typically made in Germany for markets outside of the US. As for the M-tronic, the performance won't be different, but the long-term cost will be higher. I went with the standard version because the ignition coil on the M-tronic cost about $100 more than the standard ignition coil as it contains the micro-controller. It also takes dealers longer to get the M-tronic coil in stock for some reason. Anyway, I prefer simple designs, but a lot of pros are using the M-tronic without issue. With that said, I would also not hesitate to own a Husqvarna pro saw. I went with Stihl primarily due to the better power to weight ratio. The new Husq 550XP has equivalent power to the MS261, but weighs 1.1 lb (0.5kg) more.
You need the 500i.. j /k…I have the 261 c-m and would buy it again..I see some folks have problems but it was the early versions something to do with a solenoid I think..
Actually, before I bought the 261 seen in the video, I bought a used early version 261 CM from ebay. Seller claimed no issues, but it ran terribly when I got it, and I found it had a bad solenoid. Stihl dealer wanted around $120 for the special order part (a solenoid for the standard 261 was only around $20 and readily available). I ended up returning the saw, as I didn't want to put another $120 into it, and I ended up buying the standard version 261 instead. On the 261 CM, the microcontroller for the carb is attached to the solenoid and that's what makes the solenoid so expensive. Anyway that's why I ended up with the 261 instead of the 261 CM. The CM is a great saw too, but at some point the solenoid will need replacement, adding quite a bit of cost to the saw.
Let’s say you buy the 271.. can you change the internals little by little and build it like the 261? Can you change the plastic chain lube gear to a metal one??
Not really. Beyond the bar/chain and maintenance items (spark plugs, air filter, etc.) most parts are not interchangeable. The MS261 is physically smaller and the parts are designed differently.
I have a new 271 my dad left to me, it does the job fine for me, i only cut firewood for my garage stove. I think the key is having the right tool for the job. I dont cut for a living, so im fine with having a "regular" saw. Some people just buy bigger to make them feel better. If i needed the saw to make money, sure i would get a freaking 881 if that was my line of work lol
@outdoorsinoregon currently I just run motormix and the stihl woodcutter or platinum bar oil. It had some other gas in it previously from my dad, but it seemed to run just a tad bit better on the motormix. Same with the leaf blower. Being that it was free to me, I might get it ported a bit since I didn't have to sink any money into it. It hasn't felt to be lacking any power, but I wouldn't complain if it had a little bit more
@@outdoorsinoregon for sure. Just pointing out that it is a lot harder than a freshly fallen tree. I thought the saws were cutting a little slow but that explains it. Thanks for the comparison though. I’m trying to figure out what saw the purchase I’ve been watching a bunch of breakdowns and that’s how I came across your video in the recommendations.it’s hard looking at all the saws on the rack at the store and figuring out which one you actually should purchase once you hear the behind-the-scenes information. Glad I have been doing my research. Thanks again for your offering.
I have a 271 (16 inch bar) that I have owned for about 8 years. I’ve used it in walnut and almond orchards as well as cutting oak at home. I have no complaints, but I don’t use it as much as my MS 180 and 180c (I just received a MS 194T I can’t wait to use). I prefer a lighter saw. I would like to get a larger saw with an 18 or 20 inch bar, but I’m not sure what Stihl saw I should get??? I’m mostly cutting oak, and walnut. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
I think it depends on how much smaller wood vs. larger wood you need to cut. If you're looking for a small/light saw that can run an 18" bar, the MS211 is hard to beat. With a 14" bar, it's light enough that you won't get tired using it for de-limbing all day long. And for occasional larger wood, you can put up to an 18" bar on it. It would be slower cutting than your 271, but much lighter. If you're cutting more larger wood and just want to lighten the load a bit, I would suggest the 261. I have more videos on the often overlooked MS211 coming up. It has some really interesting attributes.
I actually bought two MS261's on ebay. The first had serious non-disclosed issues, and I returned it to seller. The second one worked out well. It took quite a long time to find a good saw at a good price, but patience paid off this time. Prices have increased since then.
After watching this I can say that all of your comments about the 261...271. I have one of each and really love the 261. Doing it over I wish I'd put the extra 225.00 in when I bought the 271. Question Will the 271 head accept the 261 compression release????
Although both chainsaws have 50cc engines, the engine designs are different, and as far as I know, there is no easy way to add the decompression valve to the 271. Perhaps one could drill and tap their own hole to accept a valve, but at the risk of doing some damage.
Price depends a lot on the dealer and area. When I bought my MS271, it cost $400 and a new MS261 (non-CM version) was $600 at my local dealer. Now, they have both increased by about $50 each, but the difference is still $200 at dealers in my area.
@@outdoorsinoregon Yes is not cheap. I am in border between Portugal and Spain and I have access to Stihl dealers in both countries but the MSA300 is not available yet in either country so I order mine from a Stihl dealer in Holland (is all EU) I pay 690 Euros for the saw and 20 Euros shipping, in my case I already have the batteries and charger from my other saws and trimmer so was not so bad. It works with all AP batteries but in full power only with AP500S, it have 3 power speed settings. Is a nice powerful and very quite saw in my opinion, the batteries still have long way to improve but in overall I am happy.
@@jamrogjan1509 The logs I cut were dead standing and had been drying for years with no moisture content left. If you cut completely dry wood, you will get dust, even with a new chain. You'll see the same thing if you cut some kiln dried dimensional lumber.
When it starts on that second choke, I heard somebody who services these saws say that you should immediately squeeze the trigger and get it to regular run mode and take it off of choke. Even running it for 10 to 15 seconds on High choke is not good for the saw is what they said.
When the saw is cold, and it's cold outside, the saw will have a tendency to stall if you take it out of half choke immediately. Letting it run for a few seconds will prevent having to restart it. Letting a cold saw run for a prolonged time at high idle can definitely damage then engine as internals expand at different rates while warming up, but a few seconds won't hurt it based on my experience.
thanks for this review style...long have had my mind set on getting a 261 - I have no need for a saw, mind you, but i'm in California and in not too long a time getting a useful powerhead may not be an option. was at my local ace this morning, which has a stihl section, and saw the 271 and almost bought it just based on price and thinking "can't be that big a difference" but as you show, i think it's a big enough difference for me that the 261 will be the choice
Right, I think it's likely that 2 cycle engines won't be around for too much longer. I've read Husqvarna is reducing their gas offerings to focus on electric power tools, so possibly just a matter of time before others do the same.
Some of the cordless chainsaws are quite good in the homeowner space, but to my knowledge, no one offers anything close to a mid-sized or larger professional saw that would come close to a MS261 or similar. Not a bad idea to buy a highly durable gas saw while their still available.
One thing worth mentioning My 271 can cut 3/4 of a cord of wood On a little less than a tank its great on fuel…… As long as you always keep your chain sharp….
It's a good point; I didn't touch on fuel efficiency. I haven't noticed a difference between the 261 and 271, but both are much more fuel efficient than my old 46cc Craftsman chainsaw made by MTD. I believe the added efficiency comes from higher compression and the stratified engine design. Interesting topic for future video.
@@outdoorsinoregon I only mention because I have two Husqvarna's professional series 500 series super light 50 something cc and I go through almost 3 times more fuel which is crazy.... Maybe because they're higher revving? I will tell you this I'm looking forward to getting a 261 for making some beams... if it gets the same kind of fuel economy as the 271 I'll be in heaven...lol
I have both. 271 is way better on fuel.
@@johnhartmann4762 A 271 should be better on fuel than a 261 since it has less hp. A 271 feels quite a bit heavier.
@andybecker2693 no arguments here.
Cool review, 2023 is the last year to buy gas powered stihl chainsaws. Get one now!
I love that Mister Cat is in the thumbnail 😉
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Hello from New Zealand! Thanks for your video….. even my local Stihl dealer couldn’t give me this type of in depth comparison between these two saws. Really appreciate the time you put into making the video.
Yeah, my local dealer also couldn't provide me any details, which was the main reason for putting out the video. I'm glad it was helpful.
I run saws everyday for a living and I've ran both of these saw for a very long time . In my experience the 271 can be fussy to start at times . Not saying every one has that issue but its happened to me more then a few times . But when ur in a tree or in a bucket it pisses u off when u gotta throttle start ur saw over and over again. The 261 I've never had an issue . That being said if ur just cutting firewood or need a good homeowners saw 271 is definitely a good choice but it isn't the 50cc saw I would recommend tho. That would be the husqvarna 550xp mark ii or 545 xp they are around the same price and prob the best 50cc saws made Imo. And I'm a Stihl guy so it pains me to say it.
i dont like the look of the new xp’s
The difference in quality starts to show after a few years of use. That 261 will be running like the day you bought it. The plastic clamshell saw.... Not so much lol. Sometimes more expensive is cheaper in the long run. Great video sir!
There are many stihl saws that are still running after 30 plus years. Depends what your using it for. ALL DEPENDS how you take care of your equipment.
@@johnmalatesta751Yeah, and almost none of the stihl saws still running after 30 years of regular use are the clamshell motors that can’t really be worked on.
First chainsaw was a 271. Sold it after a couple years and got a 261cm
You have any issues with either?
Best comparison video I've seen for these two saws. I've been on the fence, trying to decide which of them to buy. I have an older 026 that is my go to for firewood cutting, (heat both my house and shop with mixed hardwoods). For larger trees I use my 034 with a either a 18 or 24" bar. But my 034 AV needs a new carburetor and the stihl repair guy says the cost will be $250 to convert to different style carb, because of age of saw. I'm 72, so the compression release on the 261 would be a benifit for me. Your video is a huge help for me, thank you for taking the time to share.
An 034 aftermarket carb is the same as MS340/360 , and can be bought for about £15 in the UK. Majority of Stihl use Chinese Zama carbs , who conveniently Stihl now owns. Hope this helps. It even says on Stihl carbs - Zama . Possibly wasn't on 034 however. The only mod I needed was to remove the throttle connecting button from the original carb (circlip) should you have the old cable on the hedge trimmers, the chainsaws you do not have that issue
the 261 is by far my favorite saw for everyday use! It is light, powerful, and very well balanced. I origionally bought my 261cm with a 18" bar but just bought a 16" stihl light 04 bar and cant wait to get sawing with it.
I haven't had any trouble using up to a 20" bar on mine. It's a good, versatile saw with great power to weight ratio.
@@outdoorsinoregon yeah you shouldn’t have any problems with a 20”, 16” usually gets me by with most things so I wanted to try it out and making it a little lighter is always a plus.
@@foggyvalleyacres I imagine it will scream with a 16" bar!
@@outdoorsinoregon it is the light 04 bar so it has a narrow kerf chain so it should really tear through the logs now.
I prefer my Stihl MSA300. I have it with both 16" and 18" bars, have plenty of power for it's size and runs nice and quiet.
My ten year old 170 is still running great with very poor care. Some what sketchy for larger logs and bigger projects. I was pleased with your comparison as well presented and clear. Just what I needed.
Have an ms170 that recently kicked the bucket and picked up a 261. Honestly you're wasting your time running that 170, might as well use an axe.
Thanks so much for the video. I was deciding between these two and it really informed my decision to bite the bullet and spend some extra to get the 261. Buy once, cry once, right? The build quality in the 261 is worth the extra $200 in the long run in my opinion
I've been considering the 261...after watching your video, I know it's the right saw for me. Thank you.
Very good honest, no bias comparison. They very similar but you pointed out the differences. I have a Husqvarna 450 I have been using a few years now and just bought the Stihl MS261 because they start real easy, the M-Tronics keeps it tuned and as I am getting older so the decompression valve and less weight is waaaaaaay worth the extra money.
Thank you. I've had my MS261 for 3 years now and have been very happy with it. I've worked it pretty hard, but it's been perfectly reliable, always fires right up, and runs great. And I agree; the light weight and decompression valve make this saw much easier to live with.
Only fool's try to save a few hundred dollars on a saw. Plastic crankcases are bullshit. I toyed with getting the 261 but went with the 361. Oh man it's a grunty beast of a mid size. Torquey little bugger. It doesn't have the shear ass balls of my 660 but it rips.
So easy to start. Two position start switch is really effective.
I love the air filter cartridge. So easy to clean. And quarter turn retaining screws are so much better than the old type. You can't loose them.
Stihls pro range really has everything sorted now. Go pro or go home until you've saved enough. I want saws that last a lifetime not till lunch time.
Forgot to mention I like your review, wonderful job. I got 261 with m-tropic 20” 362 also 20” 462 with lite bar, and finally just got 500i with 25” standard bar. All are awesome saws.
Good luck with your saws.
For cutting firewood would it be a better option to get 462cm instead of 261 because i like to cut faster.Is the fuel and bar oil consumption a lot more on 462?Or maybe a 362.
I have both and use them equally as much. I maintain 48 acres and cut a minimum of five cords for home heating and have to fell 30-40 ash trees every year plus a few more for general maintenance. Both saws work very well for me.
I love my 261 but ive never seen a need to use the decompression button. It is easy enough to start already
Can't speak to 271 but I have 261c and 362c both brand new ran erratically with no reason would stall coming out the cut. I switched to 550xp and 562xp much more predictable just sold the 261 and will be selling the 362 as well. Stihl dealer support was bad and Stihl themselves was no better. Take that for what it's worth.
Try doing the M-Tronic recalibration. If you don’t feel comfortable doing it, ask the dealer to do it. Other people have did this and it fixed this issue
@@shadowdestined2992 yes have had to do that multiple times seems to take care of the issues for about a week then starts with the same problems all over.
@@Orefamilylawncare Maybe your fuel filter in the tank is clogged up, they have updated the fuel filter design to filter smaller microns now
Thanks for the comparison. A few years ago, I was using an old hand powered crosscut saw to cut firewood. I was cutting side by side with a friend who was using a cheap rental gas-powered chainsaw. He was able to make 20 cuts to my one cut. So, while a few seconds per cut is a noticeable difference any chainsaw is a fantastic tool compared to the old school option. By the way, I have graduated to a Stihl 271 as my primary cutter and it is still doing great after 5 years.
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Good information. I run a 271 to clear trails for an ATV tour company, don't see the cost benefit of saving a couple hundred dollars and getting a less durable, rougher, slower saw. Seems to have an ongoing issue with the oiler as well.
271 is cheaper than a 261.
@@joem8875 Sorry, I meant the 261
Hello friend, I bought the MS271 instead of the MS261 b/c of price and amount of expected use. The price difference in the saws was spent initially on PPE, fuel, extra chain etc. It's interesting how much the extra 1/2 HP works out so well. In the future I'll probably up-grade to the 261 for the build quality, increased power and lighter weight.
Great compare/contrast video.
Thanks for the comments; hope you enjoy your saw!
@@outdoorsinoregon I've had it for a few years now. I use it a few times a year and fire it up about once a month just to make sure it fires. I want it to work if I need it in a hurry.
You said you used your Farm Boss on a saw mill. Did you have any problems, tip or tricks needed with the saw working like that?
Thanks
@@charliefoxtrot7219 Yes, I milled a good deal of lumber with the MS271 and had no problems at all. Not long ago, I inspected the piston and cylinder, and I was surprised to see it still looked almost brand new. Keep in mind I'm usually milling fir and cedar 14" in diameter or smaller (not big oak, etc.) It is slow going with the MS271, but it can do the job if you're willing to take your time.
My advice is to warm up the saw at least 30 seconds before cutting, use a good synthetic oil, keep your chain sharp, and let the saw cool between cuts or mid-way through a long cut, and the saw should last a good long while.
Wondering if the 261 with the adjustable bar oil, leaks bar oil when not in use? That's the headache I have with the home owner Stihl saws.
It will leak a bit if stored with oil in the tank, but it doesn't leak any more or less than my other saws.
i just bought a brand new 271 cost me about $525 after tax (18"bar) and kinda wish i would have gotten a pro line saw but the 271 does a great job so far. what i did do though was go buy a older 038 super and that thing rips like a scalded ape just needed a little cleaning. i believe its pre 89 because it says made in west Germany but not 100% on the date but it is a certified unit, just a little heavy by today standards, i also picked up a ms290 i wanna do the big bore top end kit on but its a good running saw (clutch is on its way out though i think) and im having a hard time justifying tearing up a decent running saw lol but i been getting into power saws lately and wanna learn. love the review man hope all is going good and cheers from southwest MI the guy i got my 038 from has a hoard of old stihls thinking about buying him out. hes got several 056 and 028 024 i think 400.00 take the lot, not all run but some do.
Yeah, I noticed the price of the new Stihl's has increased, along with everything else. I'm glad I bought my 271 when they were still $399 with 20" bar (plus no sales tax in Oregon). I imagine this crazy inflation will make older saws more attractive. Glad you liked the review, thanks!
@@outdoorsinoregon yup the guy i bought the 038 from had several old saws ones a 041 056 034 041 and a few 020 series saws think about buying to lot from him hes asking 300 for the rest of what he has. some run some dont. i know he said the 056 does run some are in rougher shape than others
@@Michagan_outdoorsman_James I'd pay 300 for just the 056
@@outdoorsinoregon Oi, what's that Alaskan mill you're using?
@@skeetorkiftwon Granberg Alaskan Chain Saw Mill, Model# G777
Oh one thing I noticed and not sure if it is just my 391 and 250 . Two pulls on full choke and move up one stage and sometimes one pull they fire up. However I only run the Stihl fuel.
I already bought the 290. Comparing apples to oranges. Ran a 271c that ran awesome. They're Stihl so you can't lose. Same with husky.
I was about to go with husky, but kept hearing about people not being able to get parts for them, or hard to get and takes a while. After work today I picked up a brand new ms271 from my local dealer. I'm sure it's more saw than I'll ever need unless I hit the lottery and buy a farm😂
@kdcustoms1272 when it comes to pro saws it's to each his own. For us farmers and woodburners who are living in poverty the stihl is way better for the buck. My 55cc stihl eats up the 55cc husky saws. They only have a single bar bolt? But they both make great saws. Had a 33cc makita that was a ripper for it's size.
@matthewotis3594 I've seen some stihls with only 1 bar bolt, and have heard of them shearing.. I believe it was the 251. I've heard nothing but good things about makita.
Fantastic video. Just what I was looking for. Answered all my questions and then some. Soutlike a 261 in My future
261cm is my favorite Stihl chainsaw I use it to cut 10-15 cords a year. Best firewood saw you’ll ever buy nothing out there beats it hands down
On the 271 you can't adjust bar oil unfortunately, I don't have a 261 but I believe you can due to the fact it's a Pro Saw. Just thought I'd mention that.
Yes, good point and something I didn't mention; the MS261 oil flow is adjustable, while the MS271 is not.
I run a 20" bar, plenty of oil feeding it, if youre not getting enough, there might be an issue. Make sure your bar feed holes and channels are clean.
@@j.chrisbeck7492 on a 271? 20"bar isn't going to oil well if at all. I run power saws daily and modified it to get more oil and still burn up the bar.. only pro saws can be Adjusted nowadays.
@@user-ug2rn7sr9i been using this saw for 3 straight years now, have only experienced that a couple of times on extremely dry hardwoods, and only if I was pushing it. If I just let it eat on its own, it's always been good, and PS- my chains are ALWAYS SHARP.
I love my 261roollermatic itss a baaad saw it loves to eat.i keep up with a 390 farm boss and use less fuel but u got be fast and sharp must have chaps and boots
confusing naming: 61 is better than 71
Indeed! I believe the numbers represent overall size of the chainsaw. The MS261 is slightly smaller physically than the MS271.
I love my 261 and my older 260 , but would never mill with even a 460 . A 660 or bigger would be much better for milling.
460s are amazing for milling
There are no comparison 261 is whole lot better saw than 271 and for the money 261 is better priced saw even though it’s few hundred more.
Great review!
Seems only the solenoid (M-tronic) version can be had now, I'll ask my dealer though, but if they can't get the non-"moronic" (what the pro's call them) I'd have to get a 12-13 year old used saw which will probably outlast me but in the offchance it doesn't (I'm talking major powerhead/clamshell failure) I'll be out of warranty and luck.
Been reading up on it and from what I can see, the early variants are the ones to watch out for, but little to nothing from professionals about the later versions so I guess they've given up entirely.
For what it's worth, I just checked with my local dealer, and they are still selling both the M-tronic and non-M-tronic versions of the MS261 and have stock in both. They have told me that as long as Stihl is making them, they can order them upon request.
Some dealers just try to sell you what they have on hand and don't want to deal with order requests, so I might suggest calling around and specifically ask to order the version you want if they don't have it in stock.
Great video. You covered the differences very well and I'm sure it will help others choose the right saw for them.
I prefer Stihl's pro saws hands down myself.
The rim sprocket on the pro saw has the advantage of changing it out easy without replacing the whole clutch drum. Also you can change from a 6,7 or 8 tooth sprockets as long as you get the oiler worm gear that matches and to other chain pitch too. It is more versatile.
The pro saws are meant to hold up longer through heavier use than the homeowner saws. All around better quality.
The 261 has one of the best power to weight ratios too.
Thanks for sharing your testing with us. 😎👍
Thank you!
Thanks for a great informative comparison and not only a cutting speed video. Happy Holidays!!
Thank you and happy holidays to you!
Ms 261 pro saw, ms 271 farm saw. One is flagship and the other is mid-range.
It seems like the extra cost of the 261 (I think ~$250 CDN?) is going to be worthwhile, since I want my saw to last 10-15yrs. I can see some of the 271 parts failing in that time.
Thanks for the useful information. Please consider wearing some chaps
Thanks... That was an excellent video.... I always look at durability well before I look at performance etc. The 261 would be my choice for that alone. I'm still using a 260C after 20yrs and even if its getting a bit old, it still sings pretty well while it throws chain oil everywhere..... But it was built like a tank and that's how I like gear to be. If the 261 is anywhere near as good, then most likely it will be the last machine I ever buy.....
Beautiful little girl by the way.... Your Daughter? You'd be so proud.
Hey, thanks for the kind words!
@@outdoorsinoregon Just one question on the 261. I've yet to go up to the dealer to have a look. Two questions actually. First, does it have a variable chain oiler adjustment screw? And second, Serial Number or engine number..... Does yours start with either 1 2 or 5? If it starts with 8 then I'll keep on walking.
By the way, how is Portland looking these days? Its been looking pretty ugly for a few years now from what we've seen coming out of the country on video and news.
@@RollingEasy Yes, one difference that I forgot to mention in the video is that the MS261 has an adjustable oiler and the MS271 does not.
Most of the newer Stihl saws available in the states (mine included) start with a 5 in the serial # and are assembled in the US.
The crime rate in Portland has increased significantly over the last few years. Property crime, shootings, and drugs have all increased. Where it used to be safer than most US cities its size, it's now closer to average or somewhat worse. The kinds of crimes that are happening frequently now used to be rare.
@@outdoorsinoregon I've just been up to the dealership... They don't and won't stock the 261 standard without the M Tronics.... And that machine is on the shelf and I can bet my life its made in Xhina.... No thanks and I'm pretty sad about that..... I'm now researching Husqvarna.... I absolutely and totally refuse to give one single cent of my money over to Xhina....
Most crimes today are based around drugs one way or another.... If I had the power to impose sentences, I would give every dealer, importer, seller and manufacture of drugs 25yrs in the slammer with not a second of parole or reduced time until those 25yrs were up. I'm actually being kind saying that. The truth is I'd do the same thing to them that some Asian countries do to their drug dealers.
@@RollingEasy To my knowledge, none of the Stihl pro saws, including the MS261, are made in China. The MS261 is typically made in Germany for markets outside of the US.
As for the M-tronic, the performance won't be different, but the long-term cost will be higher. I went with the standard version because the ignition coil on the M-tronic cost about $100 more than the standard ignition coil as it contains the micro-controller. It also takes dealers longer to get the M-tronic coil in stock for some reason. Anyway, I prefer simple designs, but a lot of pros are using the M-tronic without issue.
With that said, I would also not hesitate to own a Husqvarna pro saw. I went with Stihl primarily due to the better power to weight ratio. The new Husq 550XP has equivalent power to the MS261, but weighs 1.1 lb (0.5kg) more.
Nice thorough comparison. Thanks
Thanks!
You need the 500i.. j /k…I have the 261 c-m and would buy it again..I see some folks have problems but it was the early versions something to do with a solenoid I think..
Actually, before I bought the 261 seen in the video, I bought a used early version 261 CM from ebay. Seller claimed no issues, but it ran terribly when I got it, and I found it had a bad solenoid.
Stihl dealer wanted around $120 for the special order part (a solenoid for the standard 261 was only around $20 and readily available). I ended up returning the saw, as I didn't want to put another $120 into it, and I ended up buying the standard version 261 instead.
On the 261 CM, the microcontroller for the carb is attached to the solenoid and that's what makes the solenoid so expensive. Anyway that's why I ended up with the 261 instead of the 261 CM. The CM is a great saw too, but at some point the solenoid will need replacement, adding quite a bit of cost to the saw.
What type of chain did you run? Full chisel or semi chisel?
For the cross cuts, I used Stihl 26RM3 chains on both chainsaws. That's the original semi-chisel chain that comes with these saws.
Let’s say you buy the 271.. can you change the internals little by little and build it like the 261? Can you change the plastic chain lube gear to a metal one??
Not really. Beyond the bar/chain and maintenance items (spark plugs, air filter, etc.) most parts are not interchangeable. The MS261 is physically smaller and the parts are designed differently.
I have a new 271 my dad left to me, it does the job fine for me, i only cut firewood for my garage stove. I think the key is having the right tool for the job. I dont cut for a living, so im fine with having a "regular" saw. Some people just buy bigger to make them feel better. If i needed the saw to make money, sure i would get a freaking 881 if that was my line of work lol
Agreed; the MS271 is a perfectly good firewood saw and should last many years if maintained and taken care of properly.
@outdoorsinoregon currently I just run motormix and the stihl woodcutter or platinum bar oil. It had some other gas in it previously from my dad, but it seemed to run just a tad bit better on the motormix. Same with the leaf blower. Being that it was free to me, I might get it ported a bit since I didn't have to sink any money into it. It hasn't felt to be lacking any power, but I wouldn't complain if it had a little bit more
Fresh wood cuts different than cured logs. How long has that log been dead?
Completely dry with dry-rot setting in on the outside. Had been dead standing for an unknown period of time.
@@outdoorsinoregon for sure. Just pointing out that it is a lot harder than a freshly fallen tree. I thought the saws were cutting a little slow but that explains it. Thanks for the comparison though. I’m trying to figure out what saw the purchase I’ve been watching a bunch of breakdowns and that’s how I came across your video in the recommendations.it’s hard looking at all the saws on the rack at the store and figuring out which one you actually should purchase once you hear the behind-the-scenes information. Glad I have been doing my research. Thanks again for your offering.
I have a 271 (16 inch bar) that I have owned for about 8 years. I’ve used it in walnut and almond orchards as well as cutting oak at home. I have no complaints, but I don’t use it as much as my MS 180 and 180c (I just received a MS 194T I can’t wait to use). I prefer a lighter saw. I would like to get a larger saw with an 18 or 20 inch bar, but I’m not sure what Stihl saw I should get??? I’m mostly cutting oak, and walnut. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
I think it depends on how much smaller wood vs. larger wood you need to cut.
If you're looking for a small/light saw that can run an 18" bar, the MS211 is hard to beat. With a 14" bar, it's light enough that you won't get tired using it for de-limbing all day long. And for occasional larger wood, you can put up to an 18" bar on it. It would be slower cutting than your 271, but much lighter.
If you're cutting more larger wood and just want to lighten the load a bit, I would suggest the 261.
I have more videos on the often overlooked MS211 coming up. It has some really interesting attributes.
I got 271 but 261 is on my list. It visible performed much better
Yes, the MS271 is a very good chainsaw, but the MS261 is faster, lighter, and more durable.
damn you gotta deal on the 61
I actually bought two MS261's on ebay. The first had serious non-disclosed issues, and I returned it to seller. The second one worked out well. It took quite a long time to find a good saw at a good price, but patience paid off this time. Prices have increased since then.
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Great video, really thorough comparison and testing. Thank you!
Thank you!
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After watching this I can say that all of your comments about the 261...271.
I have one of each and really love the 261.
Doing it over I wish I'd put the extra 225.00 in when I bought the 271.
Question
Will the 271 head accept the 261 compression release????
Although both chainsaws have 50cc engines, the engine designs are different, and as far as I know, there is no easy way to add the decompression valve to the 271. Perhaps one could drill and tap their own hole to accept a valve, but at the risk of doing some damage.
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@@twobeards6714 Merry Christmas! 🙂
Where did you get the outerwear? Size? Thanks!
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great review - thanks so much. Do you have a video on how you made your mill?
Not yet, but planning to post one in the coming weeks. I learned the hard way what works and what doesn't work with the chainsaw mill. Stay tuned.
I’m sorry but I think my 250 is faster
Wow very detailed video!
Thank you for sharing this
I like the Husky 550 xp...
OK, cool.
It's $250 differences, the 261 is rocked
Price depends a lot on the dealer and area. When I bought my MS271, it cost $400 and a new MS261 (non-CM version) was $600 at my local dealer. Now, they have both increased by about $50 each, but the difference is still $200 at dealers in my area.
They both good but I prefer my Stihl MSA300.
Looks like a great saw and would love to try one out, but the cost was hard for me to justify.
@@outdoorsinoregon Yes is not cheap. I am in border between Portugal and Spain and I have access to Stihl dealers in both countries but the MSA300 is not available yet in either country so I order mine from a Stihl dealer in Holland (is all EU) I pay 690 Euros for the saw and 20 Euros shipping, in my case I already have the batteries and charger from my other saws and trimmer so was not so bad. It works with all AP batteries but in full power only with AP500S, it have 3 power speed settings. Is a nice powerful and very quite saw in my opinion, the batteries still have long way to improve but in overall I am happy.
271 its pro saw?
if not i chose 261 always
No, the 271 is a farm & ranch saw.
Very nice job
Can you put cover filter from 271 to 261?
The air filters are interchangeable. The chainsaw top covers are not.
@@outdoorsinoregon , I want to put on 261 filter sport...😀😀
@@HanaBasara Yes, it works. I'm using a MS261 filter on my MS271.
Which has more torque? Torque NOT horse power is what matters most.
The chainsaw industry doesn't typically provide torque specs.
think your chains need work
New chains on both saws.
@@outdoorsinoregon looked too dusty. not pulling chunks.
@@jamrogjan1509 The logs I cut were dead standing and had been drying for years with no moisture content left. If you cut completely dry wood, you will get dust, even with a new chain. You'll see the same thing if you cut some kiln dried dimensional lumber.
When it starts on that second choke, I heard somebody who services these saws say that you should immediately squeeze the trigger and get it to regular run mode and take it off of choke. Even running it for 10 to 15 seconds on High choke is not good for the saw is what they said.
When the saw is cold, and it's cold outside, the saw will have a tendency to stall if you take it out of half choke immediately. Letting it run for a few seconds will prevent having to restart it. Letting a cold saw run for a prolonged time at high idle can definitely damage then engine as internals expand at different rates while warming up, but a few seconds won't hurt it based on my experience.
@@outdoorsinoregon right on. It didn’t really seem excessive but I was just pointing it out there for the boys and girls. Thanks teach.
giving advice an not even wearing chaps what a man you are. I shut off as soon as you start cutting. THX!
Well had you actually watched the video, you would know that I gave no advice. And what I wear on my property is my own business.
Snooty troll. I don't wear chaps either. I could say more, but no need...
there is no point in comparing... the chainsaws are from different ranges.
Sorry but I found this useful, so you’re wrong there