Hope you do more videos like this. Even if they aren’t hero’s you are amazingly confident in, your perspective and approach to talking about them in game play is super enjoyable
This begs the question: if whitemane is doing everything right, how can you fight against her? We've seen here that she has answers for both damage spread over multiple characters and focus fire, where other healers seem to be more weak to one or the other. If the enemy team focused only her to get her out of the fight immediately, that could work, but the problem then is you have a tendency to overextend and die to the rest of her team. Any ideas? What's the best counter play?
Gank her, stop her from getting into teamfight. If it's too late, silence her or keep changing target the team focus because she will her Q will cost so much mana that there will be someone that doesn't have the buff.
In order for her to team heal she has to overextend slightly herself. It’s usually when you can land CC on her. Without monster peels she’s either OOM or dead. Getting her to blow her Ult m, backing off and reengaging is also a great way to win against her.
Ideally when your playing against her you pick burst, cc or dive. Good examples of counters are, stitches; land a hook gorge somebody's gonna die. Alarak with silence is also quite potent vs her and my personal favorite is Jania; who will just delete her after lvl 16. Other alternatives are digging her out with a haymaker, biotic grenade, and emerald also work well in high lvl play. Honestly there are a whole host of other counters to her but if the enemy team is basically all front line damage like they were in this vid. Yeah her team is basically godmode.
I love these kinds of videos where you explain what you are doing. One of your videos in this style is the reason I started playing Reghar. It showed how simple it can be and what to be looking for. Now I have over 60% winrate with a hero I never played before.
Man it’s so fun and instructive to watch your videos, and more when I’m high lol. I follow your vids since you started and I congratulate you for getting into Grandmaster and be able to explain yourself this well. It is definitely helpful to all of us who love this game and we try every day to move up in ranks, thanks! Keep it up, god!
The timing for this video is good, I love playing Whitemane, but I'm still in the process of trying to git gud at her (same for Alarak and Yrel). I'd love to see more of these grandmaster mindset videos - especially for Alarak!
Thank you for this. I figured either clemency or the fourth level 1 talent were the best pickups since they felt the best, but I never realized the W healed more people than just you when you used it on an enemy.
so props to those that noticed when blaze used his heroic to check his build and see the blaze MT build shown on this channel a couple days prior. i thought is was pretty interesting :)
I don't understand why you wait for the 4 second threshold before using even a single Q. As long as you stagger the use of them you can start using a Q immediately after using Clemency or W. Sure, it might be good to wait 4 seconds to do a quick triple burst heal a lot of the time, but there's no reason to set that in stone. (Edit: Well, I should've waited a bit more. You did mention that you can do that later in the match, but I think it was a bit misleading how you phrased it in the first half.) Also, you're mistaken about cancelling the W/Clemency to get a faster cooldown. The cooldown is ticking away during the animation even though you can't see it. You can see that you have a 10 second cooldown when you cancel it right away, but a 7 second cooldown if you fully channel.
Honestly, this looks like an OP build, especially if you count that you can actually start using your Qs after W is on a 9 second CD, if you can manage her CDs well...
Another great vid, but after you mentioned cooldown with w, I was watching for that in particular and it appears that w cd starts on cast, not completion
Love these educational videos! Paradox, maybe you could help me understand what a tank needs to do? I'm in gold now, but I still can't play any tank (I do OK with bruisers like Sonya or smash Varian, but it doesn't translate to the tank role). I always end up dying alone with my team fleeing in all directions... Observing your videos I learned about anchoring. But how and when to peel, when to engage, it's all a mystery to me. Please help :)
rioga98 Another important thing you didn't mention is figuring both yours and enemy team's comp and understanding how each team wants the fights to go. For example you're playing a muradin, and your team is built around poke and sustain dmg, say naz and raynor. You should never engage head on. What you should be doing is simply zoning for your team and giving them vision allowing them to do constant dmg and wear out the enemy team. DO NOT start a fight by jumping into enemy team, this is almost always true and especially with a poke comp because no one can follow up, and if you used your jump for engage you now dont have an escape and you're pretty much either dead or your team is now exposed to dive because you're too far to peel for them. That's just one or two examples. The point is you need to understand team comps. Good luck!
One thing I didn't hear you say (or missed) about clemency is that it's a great way to use your W safely, which I found many people don't immediately realise. Often, you can't go in to channel it on an enemy without being out of position so you wouldn't get mana refunds or healing out of it. With clemency, you can. That's something I found a lot of people get wrong, notably that they have the mindset of "But I can deal damage AND heal (via zeal) with my W, therefore clemency is bad/unneeded".
What do you think about putting your heal before a fight on your teammate, and then while staying behind deal as much damage as possible to heal with your passive and playing her aggressively???
Just to add to this, apologies if this was mentioned. At lvl1, inquisition does 50dmg every 0.5 sec for 3 sec, therefore 300 healing while clemency does 371 healing over 3 sec. Therefore if you need to heal only ONE target, clemency is better than inquisition.
I believe inquisition ticks immediatly, followed by once every 0.5 seconds, resulting in a total of 350 damage and healing. Still slightly less than clemency, but I'd say 21 healing is insignificant compared to 350 damage and a 30% slow. The real benefit of clemency, (outside of the reduced cooldown) is the fact that you don't need to be in range of an enemy hero, making for a much more flexible method of triggering high inquisition.
From personal experience, this strat works very well from middle plat and upwards. Majority of people tend to play safer and know not to over engage. Gold 1 and below however.... this strategy doesn't really work. People tend to over engage or over extend and its either blow through all your mana to keep someone alive and enter rest of the fight with no mana and lose the fight or let them die and lead to 4 vs 5 situation where you lose 2 more people anyway because they don't know how to back off. I find in lower level, someone like Malfurion that can set up kills for the team reliably and interrupt others with silence is much easier to "carry" with.
The name of the resource is irrelevant, besides Sonya's rage. Changing the name is more of a flavor thing - and Whitemane is from Warcraft, so it's better that it's mana. I wish all of the SC heroes would follow Morale's trend and have theirs called energy (with the color being purple instead of Morale's yellow, to match the SC1/SC2 color scheme).
Just wonder what is the "4 seconds threshold" are you talking about? You can cast one of your Qs immediately after you've casted and have W in cooldown. Then you wait when your desperation nearly drops and then cast Q a second time. Again you wait when desperation nearly drops and cast Q the third time. Your W will be up again till that moment. Nevertheless, you can cast Q one time and just ignore that and wait when your desperation drops then cast Qs three times with a slight pause or even cast it twice and let desperation drop and then use QQQ + W combo. So these 30 or 90mp that you lost are not a big deal, considering her passive mp regen is good and you are restoring +75mp per stack of desperation so you'll get your full mp back in the next triple Q + W combo
so I just got back playing and when I saw her, it look confusing for someone who just got so back and I wanted to be a healer, I watch this video and then I bought her and I play total of 12 games and haven't lost, thank you for this video
I was having a WM issue, same with Stukov. Its like playing a lot of dps and tanks made me a rusty supp player, so i wanted to fueled up my supp hero pool. Deckard is ok, isnt that hard to play, tyrande is one of the heroes i would like to play, Ana, but Whitemane was like traditional chinese to me, never get used to her. Now i got a starting point to play around, thanks NP! Still trying to pull Stukov combo more fluently, is like i dont get the value in my games enough like i could. Meanwhile, in HL im spamming Thrall like not tomorrow, finishing Q quest before lvl 6 and party hard.
passive build is good, but some times in lower leagues, is much more fun going for full dmg whitemane build with purge the wicked on 20, and watching how 1 hero is melting down in 3 sec
Entire Q build is not good, I only use 1st and 4th level talents for w, the rest is for q. Full q build is not very good cuz you'll have more healing in a short period of time but talents for w in 1st and 4th level grant you infinite mana and your overall healing will be much greater because potentially you can never run out of mana and you can potentially never even return to base and be constantly patching someone up after teamfights.
Most of her Q talents are really good at countering a dive assassin or hyper-carry team focusing their damage through one assassin. Her W cycle is usually too slow for the kind of damage those kinds of teams dish out, so it's best to sensibly build Q then.
i love to play sup, do you think i should get whitemane? or should i buy another cheaper heroe first, im new in the game and i love your videos bro,it really helps me a lot. love from Corrientes. Argentina
Whitemane requires quite a bit of mechanical skill and focus, so if you're new to the game, I suggest playing some easier characters (Li Li would be the obvious choice) so you can focus on learning general stuff that applies to all characters. However, once you're somewhat comfortable with your map awareness, positioning, game sense and such, Whitemane is certainly a character worth picking up, as she's both fun and quite powerful.
If you're starting out, poke around the roster, try some free heroes, find a hero or play-style you like and work on that. Then as you get to know the game better start branching out. So to answer your question: if you think Whitemane would be fun, save up and buy her. When I first started I saw Brightwing, loved her abilities and she was the first hero I bought and mastered.
I recommend Alexstraza, Malfurion, and Deckard to get used to supports. Li Li is certainly easy, but these 3 are pretty good at learning the game. Stukov is a little complex because landing a good silence is so crucial.
Not getting shared punishment feels dirty. Too good with fanatical power, root, and subjugation. Also it's worth noting that Scarlet Aegis is your only defense against dive. Otherwise you find yourself q spamming too often.
she IS op.... I never play healers but just doing this build I won 7/10 starting on lvl 3 WM. No real experience with this hero, no experience with this class yet I am winning all the time... this is pretty much the definition of OP.
Btw Q talent on 1 is better in my opinion.4 second difference on W compared to 30% more healing for each stack of desperation isnt that great in team fights. Spell power on 7 is also better because u can outheal their dmg rather than cleansing and letting them save their spells + 60 sec cd on the cleanse.
Clemency doesn't just reduce the cooldown on w. It also allows you to cast it on an ally which means you can heal people without an enemy hero in range and without wasting huge amounts of mana, which is impossible otherwise. And besides, the 30% increased healing on your Q per stack of desperation isn't really that much. You'll rarely get the full benefit of the talent since by the fourth cast of your Q, which is the first one to get the full 90% healing, you're almost already oom, and you can't even get a partial refund from it through the level 4 talent since desperation doesn't stack above 3. And as long as you're only casting 3 Q's before letting your desperation fall off you're only getting an average of 30% more healing per Q, while clemency, even without counting in the added flexibility, allows 28.5% more "free" Q casts which is what you'll be casting most of the time. And of course, once you hit level 16, clemency gets even more powerful, since it increases the amount of times you can trigger radiance, whereas martyrdom has no effect on it. TL;DR: Clemency provides a ton of flexibility at the cost of a little less healing in really desperate situations, and that, imo, is a worthwhile tradeoff.
This can't save you from stupid teammates tho, I played a game where enemy team have a butcher and I got the cleanse, the butcher charge in on me and managed to land his silence on me every single time cos my teammates just trying their best to stay away from me, even though I can just cleanse them for them to get out if they are caught in silence. So I end up died in a lvl 19 team fight( with 40 armor from agis), enemy got lvl 20, boom game over.
in this case, justified thoughts aside, just play far enough back that butcher never gets to charge you at all. if your team still insists on staying behind you, they're throwing, report them.
Pretty much knew everything, except that 16 talent. I usually never go for root at 13, why? Im a QM player, which means ur team will abandon u the 90% of the times u are being attacked and still ask for heals why u are getting killed... xD I like how the 16 talent works tho, never saw it and i like it, used to go for the W to do the double 75% dmg reduction at 20 for the same reason as the 13 talent, people goes on me and my team gives 0 fuckies :D
In QM I almost always play pure damage WM and play as an assassin with some heals tossed on. Clemency for the shorter cd, High Inquisitor for mana in case I have to burst heal myself, while Fanatical Power, Divine Reckoning and Harsh Discipline are a disgusting combo that will blow up most non-tanks before they're able to walk out. At 20 I always go Purge The Wicked because it turns her into a tank buster as well. Really fucking fun QM playstyle.
To be fair the enemy team had super low hero damage with their two tanks and two supports. What I'm saying is, you had that game in the bag due to team comp lol.
Im a support main. Is it just me who finds her boring to play? Her heals are op but I dont feel like Im participation in fights. Like a Cain, Ana or Malf can. The root, heal reduction, buff up a team mate ect. Just alot funnier to play :)
Wow. I've learned nothing. I know everything that was said in this video. The only take away I can get is maybe not be that aggressive with the roots as that may cost me. Pretty surprised this is all it takes to play like a grandmaster.
I think you forgot to say the essence of whitemane. Which is dealing with low range. Whitemane has to approach to heal, either to your enemy or ally. Your q has low range and zeal lasts only for 8 seconds. Ult has very low range, w roots you. Also you shouldnt put w needlessly on cooldown. Its essentially your burst, your aoe, your root, your damage, everthing. Sometimes its enough to do one or two q in 4 seconds.
She punishes burst and can walk away from a sustained fight. So no, you shouldn't be able to KILL a whitemane. But you should easily be able to win vs her. Just stay on the move and don't commit to a full on fight to kill her and she'll never pop her ult, and eventually have to waste her mana.
Yeah, but if you start leaping strike on her, all your burst is suddenly going to be reduced by 40% and she usually won't be TOO far from some kind of safety (hero or tower) that she can back up to. In isolation, 1v1, absolutely Whitemane can't outpace a Luna. But in a slightly more realistic scenario where you might be in lane or you might be 10 seconds away from a friend she can usually walk away from most engagements with her.
actually whitemane sucks during team fights, and the enemy team had so low dmg with just one assassin vs 2 tanks that your teammates could win the game without you. Try play wm when enemy team has more dmg or divers that attack you, good luck standing still to channel abilities without exploding
Dont lie to people , she is absolutly awful in comparison to almost every other healer. Shes pretty hard to play , is way to mana hungry and doesnt actually do a whole lot of damage or healing or CC, Bad hero .
u give me more reasons to don't like this hero even more wish she wants more skills for all benefits she gives in past i over healed other healers whit ana or even deckard and i think both of them need skill to land your heals but this hero just need click your q on 3 hero and then push w and everyone full hp
How can you say she is not OP when you don't even lose mana all game? There is no such thing as "I don't go OOM" in this game. Also funny that you use the words "extremely powerful" which is no different than "OP".
Gee, I couldn't help but notice your lack of awareness when it comes to watching videos intended to teach players how to play the game at a higher level. It's as if he's trying to show his audience what talents he's picking to better explain how to play Whitemane.
@@xFishyTV you still have to use a mouse click anyway for choosing a talent but bringing up the tab can be done with keyboard so no, hes not doing it on purpose like you think he is. secondly, it's a fucking joke as obvious it is. Gee "i couldnt help but notice your lack of awareness" top kek
NotParadox is a sham. Look at his hotslogs. He has mediocre mmr, only hit GM with low Master points, abuses TL to get "TL GM" then calls himself a GM. But the general ignorant playerbase enjoy his videos, so it's all good. It still does more good than bad.
Envy of what? I'm just pointing out that he is wasting our time with the stupid QM games. Do some GM games so we can actually learn from it. I recently got Master and need some extra tips to break into GM territory.
"I can't heal the Genji because he is too far away" Ah yes, just like in OW.
You forgot that in WoW they also pull for the tank and stand in the fire as well.
must be why nano blade works so well.
I love how maniacal her laugh is.
fizban7 thats the best thing about her and it’s so troll
4:44 "could've used some mana and saved him, but I wasn't prepared to do that
*Translation:* "scrub genji overextended and I ain't gonna bail him out"
Billy Coda nah, WM faild to click on him
Billy Coda nah, WM faild to click on him
@@haiden9419 agree, slow reaction, still that Genji overextended
you can see his not a support main >)
Hope you do more videos like this. Even if they aren’t hero’s you are amazingly confident in, your perspective and approach to talking about them in game play is super enjoyable
By far the most informative HOTS channel about
This begs the question: if whitemane is doing everything right, how can you fight against her? We've seen here that she has answers for both damage spread over multiple characters and focus fire, where other healers seem to be more weak to one or the other.
If the enemy team focused only her to get her out of the fight immediately, that could work, but the problem then is you have a tendency to overextend and die to the rest of her team.
Any ideas? What's the best counter play?
This is a great question and something I think should be included in every video of this format in the future
Gank her, stop her from getting into teamfight.
If it's too late, silence her or keep changing target the team focus because she will her Q will cost so much mana that there will be someone that doesn't have the buff.
Save burst for after the first W combo
In order for her to team heal she has to overextend slightly herself. It’s usually when you can land CC on her. Without monster peels she’s either OOM or dead. Getting her to blow her Ult m, backing off and reengaging is also a great way to win against her.
Her weakness is dive and cc. But yeah it's tough.
Thanks for the tips! I learned quite a few new things from this!
Ideally when your playing against her you pick burst, cc or dive. Good examples of counters are, stitches; land a hook gorge somebody's gonna die. Alarak with silence is also quite potent vs her and my personal favorite is Jania; who will just delete her after lvl 16.
Other alternatives are digging her out with a haymaker, biotic grenade, and emerald also work well in high lvl play. Honestly there are a whole host of other counters to her but if the enemy team is basically all front line damage like they were in this vid. Yeah her team is basically godmode.
I love these kinds of videos where you explain what you are doing. One of your videos in this style is the reason I started playing Reghar. It showed how simple it can be and what to be looking for. Now I have over 60% winrate with a hero I never played before.
Man it’s so fun and instructive to watch your videos, and more when I’m high lol.
I follow your vids since you started and I congratulate you for getting into Grandmaster and be able to explain yourself this well. It is definitely helpful to all of us who love this game and we try every day to move up in ranks, thanks!
Keep it up, god!
The timing for this video is good, I love playing Whitemane, but I'm still in the process of trying to git gud at her (same for Alarak and Yrel). I'd love to see more of these grandmaster mindset videos - especially for Alarak!
Best WM guide right now
Getting in the mind of gm whitemane... ohohohoho
Clemency and Inquisition's cooldowns begin on cast and tick while you're channeling. The reason to turn it off is if you want to keep moving.
One of your best vids i think. I just got into whitemane, gonna try this build next game!
Thank you for this. I figured either clemency or the fourth level 1 talent were the best pickups since they felt the best, but I never realized the W healed more people than just you when you used it on an enemy.
so props to those that noticed when blaze used his heroic to check his build and see the blaze MT build shown on this channel a couple days prior. i thought is was pretty interesting :)
THIS vod guide is NOW (Clemency+High Inquisitor) is my holy grail for Whitemane plays.
I don't understand why you wait for the 4 second threshold before using even a single Q. As long as you stagger the use of them you can start using a Q immediately after using Clemency or W. Sure, it might be good to wait 4 seconds to do a quick triple burst heal a lot of the time, but there's no reason to set that in stone. (Edit: Well, I should've waited a bit more. You did mention that you can do that later in the match, but I think it was a bit misleading how you phrased it in the first half.)
Also, you're mistaken about cancelling the W/Clemency to get a faster cooldown. The cooldown is ticking away during the animation even though you can't see it. You can see that you have a 10 second cooldown when you cancel it right away, but a 7 second cooldown if you fully channel.
"Grandmaster"
That is why you watch the whole video before commenting, lol
Amazing video dude!!! Keep them coming!!!
This type of videos makes worth subscribing.
Can you do a video about Mephisto playstyles?
Honestly, this looks like an OP build, especially if you count that you can actually start using your Qs after W is on a 9 second CD, if you can manage her CDs well...
Thanks again, you insanely strong teacher.
Is there other options besides these talents at 1 and 4? Feel like she doesn’t have much build variety
Another great vid, but after you mentioned cooldown with w, I was watching for that in particular and it appears that w cd starts on cast, not completion
Love these educational videos!
Paradox, maybe you could help me understand what a tank needs to do? I'm in gold now, but I still can't play any tank (I do OK with bruisers like Sonya or smash Varian, but it doesn't translate to the tank role). I always end up dying alone with my team fleeing in all directions... Observing your videos I learned about anchoring. But how and when to peel, when to engage, it's all a mystery to me. Please help :)
rioga98 Another important thing you didn't mention is figuring both yours and enemy team's comp and understanding how each team wants the fights to go. For example you're playing a muradin, and your team is built around poke and sustain dmg, say naz and raynor. You should never engage head on. What you should be doing is simply zoning for your team and giving them vision allowing them to do constant dmg and wear out the enemy team. DO NOT start a fight by jumping into enemy team, this is almost always true and especially with a poke comp because no one can follow up, and if you used your jump for engage you now dont have an escape and you're pretty much either dead or your team is now exposed to dive because you're too far to peel for them. That's just one or two examples. The point is you need to understand team comps. Good luck!
@@oshersharaby this makes perfect sense, thanks for the tips !
rioga98 Your welcome. Glad you found it useful :)
Not saving the Genji because it used mana was hilarious.
how do you get the witch skin
One thing I didn't hear you say (or missed) about clemency is that it's a great way to use your W safely, which I found many people don't immediately realise. Often, you can't go in to channel it on an enemy without being out of position so you wouldn't get mana refunds or healing out of it. With clemency, you can. That's something I found a lot of people get wrong, notably that they have the mindset of "But I can deal damage AND heal (via zeal) with my W, therefore clemency is bad/unneeded".
thank for the video for Whitemance gameplay
Pretty sure CD starts as soon as you start casting
How do you feel about the whole "Only take Q talents" thing?
7:19 "The next objective is ours is we won it" wat
next is ours, if we want it
What do you think about putting your heal before a fight on your teammate, and then while staying behind deal as much damage as possible to heal with your passive and playing her aggressively???
Really nice video, I'm still in lower ranks, but I always play WM exactly like that, so now I know I can climb if I keep doing it :)
Just to add to this, apologies if this was mentioned. At lvl1, inquisition does 50dmg every 0.5 sec for 3 sec, therefore 300 healing while clemency does 371 healing over 3 sec. Therefore if you need to heal only ONE target, clemency is better than inquisition.
I believe inquisition ticks immediatly, followed by once every 0.5 seconds, resulting in a total of 350 damage and healing. Still slightly less than clemency, but I'd say 21 healing is insignificant compared to 350 damage and a 30% slow. The real benefit of clemency, (outside of the reduced cooldown) is the fact that you don't need to be in range of an enemy hero, making for a much more flexible method of triggering high inquisition.
Inquisition deals seven ticks of damage, first when it attaches then every 0.5 seconds for 3 seconds. It deals and heals the same.
Yo do you still play NotParadox? I play hots daily, lemme know man
Thank you for sharing this!!
whitemane has a high learning curve.. but once you know her mechanics she is a really great healer...
From personal experience, this strat works very well from middle plat and upwards. Majority of people tend to play safer and know not to over engage.
Gold 1 and below however.... this strategy doesn't really work. People tend to over engage or over extend and its either blow through all your mana to keep someone alive and enter rest of the fight with no mana and lose the fight or let them die and lead to 4 vs 5 situation where you lose 2 more people anyway because they don't know how to back off.
I find in lower level, someone like Malfurion that can set up kills for the team reliably and interrupt others with silence is much easier to "carry" with.
What about double root at 16 lvl?
Shes a character with energy in disguise really.
The name of the resource is irrelevant, besides Sonya's rage. Changing the name is more of a flavor thing - and Whitemane is from Warcraft, so it's better that it's mana. I wish all of the SC heroes would follow Morale's trend and have theirs called energy (with the color being purple instead of Morale's yellow, to match the SC1/SC2 color scheme).
Its just poor design imo that you can win a whole match while never losing more than half your mana.
Notparadox can you pls make a guide how to come out from Bronze/Silver league...
Whats with the ingame performance? Those lags seem pretty substantial.
You get master by playing with friends, and lots of practice. Friends and practice are reliable. You need reliability to consistently raise your MMR.
so what u say... its better to heal with clemancy/mana reset than deal dmg to enemy... thats a great advice, i smash that like button XD
W cooldown does start while you are casting
Just wonder what is the "4 seconds threshold" are you talking about? You can cast one of your Qs immediately after you've casted and have W in cooldown. Then you wait when your desperation nearly drops and then cast Q a second time. Again you wait when desperation nearly drops and cast Q the third time. Your W will be up again till that moment.
Nevertheless, you can cast Q one time and just ignore that and wait when your desperation drops then cast Qs three times with a slight pause or even cast it twice and let desperation drop and then use QQQ + W combo. So these 30 or 90mp that you lost are not a big deal, considering her passive mp regen is good and you are restoring +75mp per stack of desperation so you'll get your full mp back in the next triple Q + W combo
The Q threshold is for the last q of your QQQ. To play it safe if I don't need to heal someone right away I wait for 4 seconds then just spam.
I still don’t understand what you mean with this 4 second threshold, even with you saying what you are saying now
Love these videos, but you keep talking about the 4 second threshold, what do you mean with this?
so I just got back playing and when I saw her, it look confusing for someone who just got so back and I wanted to be a healer, I watch this video and then I bought her and I play total of 12 games and haven't lost, thank you for this video
I was having a WM issue, same with Stukov. Its like playing a lot of dps and tanks made me a rusty supp player, so i wanted to fueled up my supp hero pool. Deckard is ok, isnt that hard to play, tyrande is one of the heroes i would like to play, Ana, but Whitemane was like traditional chinese to me, never get used to her. Now i got a starting point to play around, thanks NP! Still trying to pull Stukov combo more fluently, is like i dont get the value in my games enough like i could. Meanwhile, in HL im spamming Thrall like not tomorrow, finishing Q quest before lvl 6 and party hard.
Hey Paradox, first time caller, do you use quick cast?
passive build is good, but some times in lower leagues, is much more fun going for full dmg whitemane build with purge the wicked on 20, and watching how 1 hero is melting down in 3 sec
in lower levels you need to build around selfheal, because your team won't defend you in any way.
I got flames for using almost this exact same build awhile back lol
Nice guide, thanks 😄
hey man, can I play with you?
when i play qm or ranked im always close to a heartattack lol
and he is like easy peasy playing and teaching..
What do you think about the all Q build?
wondered the same, i never liked the w build
q build mostly brings burst healing, including yourself what she otherwise sorely lacks. i do not like to go wrong full q, but ya might need it
Q build is trash just cause u arent gonna have mana in this.
Entire Q build is not good, I only use 1st and 4th level talents for w, the rest is for q.
Full q build is not very good cuz you'll have more healing in a short period of time but talents for w in 1st and 4th level grant you infinite mana and your overall healing will be much greater because potentially you can never run out of mana and you can potentially never even return to base and be constantly patching someone up after teamfights.
Most of her Q talents are really good at countering a dive assassin or hyper-carry team focusing their damage through one assassin. Her W cycle is usually too slow for the kind of damage those kinds of teams dish out, so it's best to sensibly build Q then.
RIP this build
2019-02-12 Patch Notes v 2.43.0
Hero Updates
Talents
Level 4
High Inquisitor (W)
Mana return per stack reduced from 75 to 50
Not really, just have to use two q's before resetting to not lose mana
i love to play sup, do you think i should get whitemane? or should i buy another cheaper heroe first, im new in the game and i love your videos bro,it really helps me a lot. love from Corrientes. Argentina
Whitemane requires quite a bit of mechanical skill and focus, so if you're new to the game, I suggest playing some easier characters (Li Li would be the obvious choice) so you can focus on learning general stuff that applies to all characters.
However, once you're somewhat comfortable with your map awareness, positioning, game sense and such, Whitemane is certainly a character worth picking up, as she's both fun and quite powerful.
thx from the info broi really apreciat it
If you're starting out, poke around the roster, try some free heroes, find a hero or play-style you like and work on that. Then as you get to know the game better start branching out.
So to answer your question: if you think Whitemane would be fun, save up and buy her. When I first started I saw Brightwing, loved her abilities and she was the first hero I bought and mastered.
I recommend Alexstraza, Malfurion, and Deckard to get used to supports. Li Li is certainly easy, but these 3 are pretty good at learning the game. Stukov is a little complex because landing a good silence is so crucial.
Not getting shared punishment feels dirty. Too good with fanatical power, root, and subjugation.
Also it's worth noting that Scarlet Aegis is your only defense against dive. Otherwise you find yourself q spamming too often.
you should stream.
she IS op.... I never play healers but just doing this build I won 7/10 starting on lvl 3 WM. No real experience with this hero, no experience with this class yet I am winning all the time... this is pretty much the definition of OP.
Btw Q talent on 1 is better in my opinion.4 second difference on W compared to 30% more healing for each stack of desperation isnt that great in team fights.
Spell power on 7 is also better because u can outheal their dmg rather than cleansing and letting them save their spells + 60 sec cd on the cleanse.
Clemency doesn't just reduce the cooldown on w. It also allows you to cast it on an ally which means you can heal people without an enemy hero in range and without wasting huge amounts of mana, which is impossible otherwise.
And besides, the 30% increased healing on your Q per stack of desperation isn't really that much. You'll rarely get the full benefit of the talent since by the fourth cast of your Q, which is the first one to get the full 90% healing, you're almost already oom, and you can't even get a partial refund from it through the level 4 talent since desperation doesn't stack above 3. And as long as you're only casting 3 Q's before letting your desperation fall off you're only getting an average of 30% more healing per Q, while clemency, even without counting in the added flexibility, allows 28.5% more "free" Q casts which is what you'll be casting most of the time.
And of course, once you hit level 16, clemency gets even more powerful, since it increases the amount of times you can trigger radiance, whereas martyrdom has no effect on it.
TL;DR: Clemency provides a ton of flexibility at the cost of a little less healing in really desperate situations, and that, imo, is a worthwhile tradeoff.
@@eiknaurjensen7927 I find Q on 1 more usefull.As i said,in my opinion.Works for me better.
literally just q,q,q,1. q,q,q,1. AND IF YOU WANNA GET FANCY Q,Q,Q,W wow. great work m8.
love it, good job keep it on u have an italian student =)
thanks for the advice
High Inquisitor should not work on Clemency, lets see when this gets fixed.
This can't save you from stupid teammates tho, I played a game where enemy team have a butcher and I got the cleanse, the butcher charge in on me and managed to land his silence on me every single time cos my teammates just trying their best to stay away from me, even though I can just cleanse them for them to get out if they are caught in silence. So I end up died in a lvl 19 team fight( with 40 armor from agis), enemy got lvl 20, boom game over.
in this case, justified thoughts aside, just play far enough back that butcher never gets to charge you at all. if your team still insists on staying behind you, they're throwing, report them.
I appreciate the fact that you took Intercession which is not what people take even if the enemy has cc(those kers).
I wish there'd be similar to IRL life-hacks by the author… For now, these suffice. :D
Very usefull tips. Now I'm healing 100 k per game.
Pretty much knew everything, except that 16 talent.
I usually never go for root at 13, why? Im a QM player, which means ur team will abandon u the 90% of the times u are being attacked and still ask for heals why u are getting killed... xD
I like how the 16 talent works tho, never saw it and i like it, used to go for the W to do the double 75% dmg reduction at 20 for the same reason as the 13 talent, people goes on me and my team gives 0 fuckies :D
In QM I almost always play pure damage WM and play as an assassin with some heals tossed on. Clemency for the shorter cd, High Inquisitor for mana in case I have to burst heal myself, while Fanatical Power, Divine Reckoning and Harsh Discipline are a disgusting combo that will blow up most non-tanks before they're able to walk out. At 20 I always go Purge The Wicked because it turns her into a tank buster as well.
Really fucking fun QM playstyle.
Ooohohohohoho!
To be fair the enemy team had super low hero damage with their two tanks and two supports. What I'm saying is, you had that game in the bag due to team comp lol.
Im a support main. Is it just me who finds her boring to play? Her heals are op but I dont feel like Im participation in fights. Like a Cain, Ana or Malf can. The root, heal reduction, buff up a team mate ect. Just alot funnier to play :)
Do You Morales ?
I still feel like whitemane is a bit unfair
Wow. I've learned nothing. I know everything that was said in this video. The only take away I can get is maybe not be that aggressive with the roots as that may cost me. Pretty surprised this is all it takes to play like a grandmaster.
in hots champions are easy you need the right decision making to get better.
Good for you?!
Whitemanemain
86% win rate = BG win rate :)
Clemency should not restore Mana… it's not normal… I play her a lot, and I find that insanely powerful…
Its still gonna be a mustpick talent just cause it allows to heal out of the teamfights.
i mean without the mana restoration she's like the most mana hungry hero in the game
I think you forgot to say the essence of whitemane. Which is dealing with low range. Whitemane has to approach to heal, either to your enemy or ally. Your q has low range and zeal lasts only for 8 seconds. Ult has very low range, w roots you. Also you shouldnt put w needlessly on cooldown. Its essentially your burst, your aoe, your root, your damage, everthing. Sometimes its enough to do one or two q in 4 seconds.
Coulda been a 2 minute video.
I can't solo kill whitemane with lunara 😄
lol... you should be able too :)
She punishes burst and can walk away from a sustained fight. So no, you shouldn't be able to KILL a whitemane. But you should easily be able to win vs her. Just stay on the move and don't commit to a full on fight to kill her and she'll never pop her ult, and eventually have to waste her mana.
@@Silverhawk100 without ulting Whitemane does not outpace Lunara's damage. Especially if Lunara builds slightly bursty.
Yeah, but if you start leaping strike on her, all your burst is suddenly going to be reduced by 40% and she usually won't be TOO far from some kind of safety (hero or tower) that she can back up to. In isolation, 1v1, absolutely Whitemane can't outpace a Luna. But in a slightly more realistic scenario where you might be in lane or you might be 10 seconds away from a friend she can usually walk away from most engagements with her.
wheres a butcher video
I await his Illidan forever, brace yourself, mate.
She is a powerful hero :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Absolutely USELESS.
well the game was very 1 sided helped aloooot, but otherwise, very good guide :)
actually whitemane sucks during team fights, and the enemy team had so low dmg with just one assassin vs 2 tanks that your teammates could win the game without you. Try play wm when enemy team has more dmg or divers that attack you, good luck standing still to channel abilities without exploding
you sound kinda sad .. is eversything ok ?
Dont lie to people , she is absolutly awful in comparison to almost every other healer. Shes pretty hard to play , is way to mana hungry and doesnt actually do a whole lot of damage or healing or CC, Bad hero .
youre just noob
u give me more reasons to don't like this hero even more wish she wants more skills for all benefits she gives in past i over healed other healers whit ana or even deckard and i think both of them need skill to land your heals but this hero just need click your q on 3 hero and then push w and everyone full hp
I am a Whitemain.
How can you say she is not OP when you don't even lose mana all game? There is no such thing as "I don't go OOM" in this game. Also funny that you use the words "extremely powerful" which is no different than "OP".
Alex can heal heroes all day without any pressure or mana too, and she just needs one talent to do that - life blossom.
i couldnt help but notice you use a mouse click instead of a hotkey for picking talents... as a GM.... REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Gee, I couldn't help but notice your lack of awareness when it comes to watching videos intended to teach players how to play the game at a higher level. It's as if he's trying to show his audience what talents he's picking to better explain how to play Whitemane.
@@xFishyTV you still have to use a mouse click anyway for choosing a talent but bringing up the tab can be done with keyboard so no, hes not doing it on purpose like you think he is. secondly, it's a fucking joke as obvious it is. Gee "i couldnt help but notice your lack of awareness" top kek
lol I'm sorry you feel the need to keep commenting.
@@xFishyTV im literally replying to the ones you are making.. smh
Now play GM instead of QM...
Can you stop playing this QM Bronze games, I really can't learn anything when you play against noobs.
NotParadox is a sham. Look at his hotslogs. He has mediocre mmr, only hit GM with low Master points, abuses TL to get "TL GM" then calls himself a GM.
But the general ignorant playerbase enjoy his videos, so it's all good. It still does more good than bad.
@@-41337 yep, only a low level best of the best NA players. A true sham, anyone can do that
lol, it reeks of envy here
Envy of what? I'm just pointing out that he is wasting our time with the stupid QM games. Do some GM games so we can actually learn from it. I recently got Master and need some extra tips to break into GM territory.