Im just an overhead door/gate tech. Did the best I could. Kidding of course, but love watching your channel. A part of the trades I never really get to see. Thanks.
What a $1500 pos unbelievable, and I'd bet the homeowner paid $15k lots of scumbags out there pretending to be deck or construction companies taking advantage of older people etc.
This is crazy , I dont consider myself a deck builder but have built a few and are still standing strong after 20 + years in Michigan and I laugh now when my friends said I over engineered my builds.
Screws snap under a shear load while nails are flexible. A broken screw is much more useless than a bent nail for load bearing supports. However you don't want your deck flooring to move when the wood shrinks/expands so that's when you would use screws.
Simpson does sell joist hanger screws that are intended to be used with their hangers, but they’re spendy. Just go with the typical joist hanger nail and you’ll be fine
the Simpson strong tie company is likely the biggest racket in the construction field. We’ve countless examples of gorgeous Victorian homes that never used them (some will be celebrating their 150th birthday soon), yet our modern McMansions fail daily riddled with the little ugly bastards. Just use pressure blocks if you suck at toenailing/toescrewing…. Looks better than nailing a bunch of stupid looking recycled beer cans all over your nice new deck.
As someone who has built multi, level decks, I would not have even attached to the house. I would have built with 6x6 posts on 2x10 beams and 2x8 joists and tied everything together with the correct bolts screws nails brackets. Hanging all that weight on your building is just silly when you can just build a strong freestanding deck.
Had a ground level deck built some years ago. I insisted on 6 x 6 footings with lag bolts, and joists 12 inches apart. Inspector came and told me I overbuilt it. I asked him if it was a bad thing, and he laughed and said no. It has held up nicely these many years, and I did have the top boards entirely replaced, but I will NEVER own another wooden deck again. The maintenance is just not worth it. Concrete or pavers from here on in, if I ever have to do it. I did a lot of research before we built. Yep the old no flashing and ledger board bolts not staggered. I have seen this on friends elevated decks and I let them know it needs to be fixed. Excellent video.
@@magnumballistics If I need to hire someone to climb up to cut down one of my trees my insurance company wants the work crew to have insurance of their own.
@@hud1231 lol, not wrong. Ledger needs flashing behind the siding that goes over top of the ledger and then there needs to be flashing behind the ledger that goes over top of the siding below the ledger. Flashing is required for all vertical siding transitions. The ledger is a transition
@@rigidinspections but I have never heard that. would that change from state to state...I''ve never had to bend metal over a deck ledger...only needed flashing between my pressure treated ledger board and the house.
It’s just causing damage to the exterior wall of a house, the builder is clearly somewhat mathematically inclined and has a basic understanding of framing but it simply won’t last nearly as long as a deck built better than it. Waste of money really.
Carriage bolts would fine in shear of allowed by local codes. There's no way you're putting enough load on that deck to shear a couple of 1/2" bolts per connection.
@@titude Stupid is as stupid does. But the minimum shear strength of two 1/2" carriage bolts is above 9,000 lbs and with the clamping force and friction between the members it would be well above that. The lumber would be destroyed before you reach the limit.
The existing floor of the house is so low that building a deck at the same elevation or lower won’t work. Typically you need to pour a Sonotobe footing 8” above grade to prevent post rot. Then a double 2x10 beam on top of the footings with 2x10 joists. The upper deck looks like it was built by squirrels. The whole thing is a dangerous hazard and needs to be removed.
Glad I'm not traditonal. Built my decks with 10" I beams 72" on center, with 3" diameter steel posts set in 10" diameter cement footings 18" deep. With 2x6 joists 16" on center, with trex decking.
They are for decking aka deck floor boards. You can use them to temporarily hold things until you are able to put lags or bolts in but they are not made for support. They have no shear strength
Your not gonna be able to get a 2x8 joist system in there and still have enough head clearance on the ground floor. My solution is 4x6 beam on the outer edge sitting on 4x6 posts then sister more 2x6 onto the exisiting joists. The only really scary part is that 2x6 on the end of the deck is carrying all that load of the deck joists.
You point out several things here that may not be the best of ideas but they're not violations, per se, depending on local codes. 1) Yes, the base of the deck is sitting on the soil. OTOH, the lumber is rated for ground contact and unless you're going to spec a retaining wall there I don't know what choice they had. 2) No sealant. I would bet most decks never see any sealant. Regular application is always a good idea, of course. 3) I don't believe those posts are "well over 8' tall" but in any case, the size of the top deck would seem to indicate they're adequate; not great, but adequate. 4) That outer 'beam' isn't a beam at all. It's just a rim joist and, as you noted, it appears to held up with just 6 deck screws, and even then the screws are in shear. This is horrible and is enough in itself, imo, to condemn the top deck altogether. 5) the 2x6 joists aren't a violation for that span but 2x8s would certainly be preferable. 6) The deck screws in the hangers are a definite no-no. 7) The ledger is hard to say from the video. It would seem the posts are supposed to carrying the weight but if that's true, that ledger should be a beam and it isn't. The lags should indeed be staggered. 8) proper footings? maybe and maybe not. I would agree, considering the rest of the construction, probably not, although that should be checked and not just guessed at. All-in-all, the lack of actual beams and suitable post connections alone should condemn this deck.
I get the deck isn’t built right. Just add a 2x4 one side of the post, and then a 2x6 on the other. One of the new boards will support the outside rim downwards. For the long span on 2x6 joists just double them up. Add an extra rim board and an inside 2x6 in addition to the outer if you can picture what I mean. Essentially turning the 4x4 to a 6x6 without really removing anything. Supports on guardrail can be added.
Yet another "home inspector " that does not know one end of a hammer from the other. Got lots of book learning but have never built anything except an Ikea book shelf.
A homeowner job. Second video I watched, and this inspector is also a complete hack! He missed the biggest problem of all, and complained about "no sealant" which is not needed.
well, its obvious this person is not licensed,everyone knows that it has to be post and beam under the deck for support.I would red tag that deck and try to find the person who built it.take him to court, and lock him up until he can pay someone to build it right.
In the defense of this industry, construction and construction code are not courses available in high school. In fact most things you should know, are not taught in high school. They are not taught in collage either because no one goes to collage to work hard labor.
But... in reality, if you don’t know how to build something atleast to safety standard, you just shouldn’t. Forget skill, precision, and attention to minor details, this deck could kill someone or cause severe, expensive damage to the home alone. Who ever built this clearly knows just enough to be dangerous, literally in this case. If you are gonna be out building things on this scale that require you don’t injure or kill a home owner, it is your responsibility to go seek the instruction or knowledge on how to do it properly, at the bare minimum.
So basically this is a good looking deck that was built wrong. Like the cuts were made correctly but the size of the material used was wrong in the method for connection was wrong. The more of these videos I watch the more I can clued I just don't want to deck on my house at all. Even a well built one is going to fall apart in the rain.
This guy is such a clown, these guys need to make Themselves a Job And need to feel Appreciated, if you knew anything about Building at all you would know Each deck screw supports 600 lbs, 3x600 lbs is 1800 lbs per leg and there is not Huge weight on the outer board Anyways , if the deck rotted in the soil that’s is owners prerogative smh dude cringe as he l l
"not Huge weight on the outer board"?!?!? Only about 95% of the weight of the upper deck and whatever is on it. Deck screws and structural fasteners in shear should condemn this deck.
6'8" door proves that 4x4 is not over 8' as you claim...not saying it's right...just be correct..you don't need to sell us about poor building/ choices.
....... at 0:25 seconds into the video you can see the posts are 8 feet tall at minimum. But, pause the video at ANY point where the entire framework is shown... and you can CLEARLY see the posts are ~6 inches ABOVE the door... and at minimum ~10 inches beneath the door. You just failed inspections 101. And then commented to cement the failure.
wow, i built that 22 years ago, and it still looks good )
Yeah, like 22 minutes ago
Hahaha. Nice.
All they seem to be missing is the large kiddie pool on the upper deck!😮
That top deck's lack of support is ridiculously-dangerous. All the outer load appears to rely on the shear strength of 6 wood screws.
No it's fine. The box said "wood screws" and I'm screwing into wood. No problem!
Im just an overhead door/gate tech. Did the best I could.
Kidding of course, but love watching your channel. A part of the trades I never really get to see. Thanks.
What a $1500 pos unbelievable, and I'd bet the homeowner paid $15k lots of scumbags out there pretending to be deck or construction companies taking advantage of older people etc.
The home owner probably loved it
This is crazy , I dont consider myself a deck builder but have built a few and are still standing strong after 20 + years in Michigan and I laugh now when my friends said I over engineered my builds.
So, this is like the 4th video I've seen of these and every single time I just look at the deck and wonder:
Do decks not need cross-bracing?
Asking out of ignorance and in preparation for a deck build: what's the matter with using screws (proper ones, that is) for the joist hangers?
Screws snap under a shear load while nails are flexible. A broken screw is much more useless than a bent nail for load bearing supports.
However you don't want your deck flooring to move when the wood shrinks/expands so that's when you would use screws.
@@HeeHeeMan11 Exactly, I learned that in a code class. Screws snap, Nails bend.
Simpson does sell joist hanger screws that are intended to be used with their hangers, but they’re spendy. Just go with the typical joist hanger nail and you’ll be fine
the Simpson strong tie company is likely the biggest racket in the construction field.
We’ve countless examples of gorgeous Victorian homes that never used them (some will be celebrating their 150th birthday soon), yet our modern McMansions fail daily riddled with the little ugly bastards.
Just use pressure blocks if you suck at toenailing/toescrewing…. Looks better than nailing a bunch of stupid looking recycled beer cans all over your nice new deck.
Use nails.
Not even lag or through bolt, wouldn’t you want to double/triple that outside rim or whatever you call it and have it sit on top of the post?
As someone who has built multi, level decks, I would not have even attached to the house. I would have built with 6x6 posts on 2x10 beams and 2x8 joists and tied everything together with the correct bolts screws nails brackets. Hanging all that weight on your building is just silly when you can just build a strong freestanding deck.
I see these type of houses in many videos from the US, are the outer walls composite boards? It got the looks of a shed.
Had a ground level deck built some years ago. I insisted on 6 x 6 footings with lag bolts, and joists 12 inches apart. Inspector came and told me I overbuilt it. I asked him if it was a bad thing, and he laughed and said no. It has held up nicely these many years, and I did have the top boards entirely replaced, but I will NEVER own another wooden deck again. The maintenance is just not worth it. Concrete or pavers from here on in, if I ever have to do it. I did a lot of research before we built. Yep the old no flashing and ledger board bolts not staggered. I have seen this on friends elevated decks and I let them know it needs to be fixed. Excellent video.
You missed that the hangers weren’t nailed off. But yet you get what a lot of the GCs supply and pay for 😂😂
Always make sure that they are licensed and insured it will help if you need to go to court.
the slogan that made everyone DIY.. licensed and insured (in other words we charge 10x more for L&I ) for the same work as a handyman
@@magnumballistics If I need to hire someone to climb up to cut down one of my trees my insurance company wants the work crew to have insurance of their own.
Surprised you stood under that.
Serious question. Why cant deck screws be used on the hangers?
Screws do not have shear strength. They will break
@rigidinspections Ahhhhhhh...... Thank you!
do you need flashing if it's got siding?
Yes, top and bottom
@@rigidinspections wrong
@@hud1231 lol, not wrong. Ledger needs flashing behind the siding that goes over top of the ledger and then there needs to be flashing behind the ledger that goes over top of the siding below the ledger. Flashing is required for all vertical siding transitions. The ledger is a transition
@@rigidinspections my bad, i thought i was talking to someone else
@@rigidinspections but I have never heard that. would that change from state to state...I''ve never had to bend metal over a deck ledger...only needed flashing between my pressure treated ledger board and the house.
@1:11: Structural screws would be fine. They don't need to be nails.
If they use 2 x 6's they need a stringer underneath , about every 6 feet. double 2x10's maybe. and no footings???
Looks better than mine. My deck's guard rail has only 2x2's
That is a ridiculously good camera
Needs some carriage bolts, otherwise its not terrible.
It’s just causing damage to the exterior wall of a house, the builder is clearly somewhat mathematically inclined and has a basic understanding of framing but it simply won’t last nearly as long as a deck built better than it. Waste of money really.
Even if you added through-bolts to the posts, there's still no proper beam(s) to carry the weight.
It will eventually be one of those stories you hear of too many party goers out on the deck, and it collapses🤦🏻♂️
They were either cheap or DIY just didn't know what they were doing!
You don't even lag your posts to the rim Mr inspector. You place the rim on top of the posts. Shear strength of fasteners isn't enough.
Carriage bolts would fine in shear of allowed by local codes. There's no way you're putting enough load on that deck to shear a couple of 1/2" bolts per connection.
@Duetmaster2 until someone thinks a hot tub is a good idea.
@@titude Stupid is as stupid does. But the minimum shear strength of two 1/2" carriage bolts is above 9,000 lbs and with the clamping force and friction between the members it would be well above that. The lumber would be destroyed before you reach the limit.
@@Duetmaster2 great points. Post to beam is still stronger and good enough is never good enough.
And those deck screws are better than what I just took apart.
1-1/4 roofing nails!!!! On a second level deck.
I mean for fuck sakes.
Doesn't the city or county supposed to inspect?
that twisted top rail on the left of the bottom deck honestly is what bugs me the most
Good god, man. I'm not even a carpenter, but it says RIGHT ON THE JOIST HANGERS to use the proper nails or screws!!! How can you screw that up???
Take it apart and call city inspector when the holes are dig
He had the courage to stand under it
The existing floor of the house is so low that building a deck at the same elevation or lower won’t work.
Typically you need to pour a Sonotobe footing 8” above grade to prevent post rot. Then a double 2x10 beam on top of the footings with 2x10 joists.
The upper deck looks like it was built by squirrels.
The whole thing is a dangerous hazard and needs to be removed.
Building a deck is pretty much the one project that homeowners traditionally do. Badly.
Glad I'm not traditonal. Built my decks with 10" I beams 72" on center, with 3" diameter steel posts set in 10" diameter cement footings 18" deep. With 2x6 joists 16" on center, with trex decking.
So you don’t use deck screws when building a deck. The. Why are they called deck screws?
They are for decking aka deck floor boards. You can use them to temporarily hold things until you are able to put lags or bolts in but they are not made for support. They have no shear strength
Your not gonna be able to get a 2x8 joist system in there and still have enough head clearance on the ground floor. My solution is 4x6 beam on the outer edge sitting on 4x6 posts then sister more 2x6 onto the exisiting joists. The only really scary part is that 2x6 on the end of the deck is carrying all that load of the deck joists.
Oh lord when you zoom in. Yikes
Blame the government for issuing licenses and bonds and NOT following up with inspections on work
You point out several things here that may not be the best of ideas but they're not violations, per se, depending on local codes. 1) Yes, the base of the deck is sitting on the soil. OTOH, the lumber is rated for ground contact and unless you're going to spec a retaining wall there I don't know what choice they had. 2) No sealant. I would bet most decks never see any sealant. Regular application is always a good idea, of course. 3) I don't believe those posts are "well over 8' tall" but in any case, the size of the top deck would seem to indicate they're adequate; not great, but adequate. 4) That outer 'beam' isn't a beam at all. It's just a rim joist and, as you noted, it appears to held up with just 6 deck screws, and even then the screws are in shear. This is horrible and is enough in itself, imo, to condemn the top deck altogether. 5) the 2x6 joists aren't a violation for that span but 2x8s would certainly be preferable. 6) The deck screws in the hangers are a definite no-no. 7) The ledger is hard to say from the video. It would seem the posts are supposed to carrying the weight but if that's true, that ledger should be a beam and it isn't. The lags should indeed be staggered. 8) proper footings? maybe and maybe not. I would agree, considering the rest of the construction, probably not, although that should be checked and not just guessed at.
All-in-all, the lack of actual beams and suitable post connections alone should condemn this deck.
Zero sway bracing on a second story deck is criminal.
You go cheap you pay twice
It will be fine wood is strong
So are you saying this won’t pass inspection? 🤣🤣
Bribe bribe
I get the deck isn’t built right. Just add a 2x4 one side of the post, and then a 2x6 on the other.
One of the new boards will support the outside rim downwards.
For the long span on 2x6 joists just double them up.
Add an extra rim board and an inside 2x6 in addition to the outer if you can picture what I mean.
Essentially turning the 4x4 to a 6x6 without really removing anything.
Supports on guardrail can be added.
the rim is connected to the post meat head not beam ,,and whoever build that should come back annually to get those bees ,,,
It looks so weak and frail
Yet another "home inspector " that does not know one end of a hammer from the other. Got lots of book learning but have never built anything except an Ikea book shelf.
And I get paid half to come fix thier sht. 😂
thats methed up
A homeowner job. Second video I watched, and this inspector is also a complete hack! He missed the biggest problem of all, and complained about "no sealant" which is not needed.
well, its obvious this person is not licensed,everyone knows that it has to be post and beam under the deck for support.I would red tag that deck and try to find the person who built it.take him to court, and lock him up until he can pay someone to build it right.
In the defense of this industry, construction and construction code are not courses available in high school. In fact most things you should know, are not taught in high school. They are not taught in collage either because no one goes to collage to work hard labor.
But... in reality, if you don’t know how to build something atleast to safety standard, you just shouldn’t. Forget skill, precision, and attention to minor details, this deck could kill someone or cause severe, expensive damage to the home alone. Who ever built this clearly knows just enough to be dangerous, literally in this case. If you are gonna be out building things on this scale that require you don’t injure or kill a home owner, it is your responsibility to go seek the instruction or knowledge on how to do it properly, at the bare minimum.
3rd world workers , 3rd world results
So basically this is a good looking deck that was built wrong. Like the cuts were made correctly but the size of the material used was wrong in the method for connection was wrong. The more of these videos I watch the more I can clued I just don't want to deck on my house at all. Even a well built one is going to fall apart in the rain.
Talk to text on my phone is garbage
😳
But eet bee okay! Ees how we build them in Mexico!
This guy is such a clown, these guys need to make
Themselves a
Job
And need to feel
Appreciated, if you knew anything about
Building at all you would know
Each deck screw supports 600 lbs, 3x600 lbs is 1800 lbs per leg and there is not
Huge weight on the outer board
Anyways , if the deck rotted in the soil that’s is owners prerogative smh dude cringe as he l l
"not Huge weight on the outer board"?!?!? Only about 95% of the weight of the upper deck and whatever is on it. Deck screws and structural fasteners in shear should condemn this deck.
Boo hoo! 😨😨😨
The saddest part of these videos is the people pay thousands for this junk work
6'8" door proves that 4x4 is not over 8' as you claim...not saying it's right...just be correct..you don't need to sell us about poor building/ choices.
....... at 0:25 seconds into the video you can see the posts are 8 feet tall at minimum.
But, pause the video at ANY point where the entire framework is shown... and you can CLEARLY see the posts are ~6 inches ABOVE the door... and at minimum ~10 inches beneath the door.
You just failed inspections 101.
And then commented to cement the failure.
@@conanmcclanahan1069 For a 40 psf floor, they probably meet code because that get you to something like 10'. Would I go bigger? Yeah.
Stop saying ummmmmm to begin every sentence. SO annoying.
Hire Brown get Brown
And it will probably be fine for 20 years.
well it could have been 30