Spent 30 years in a GM assembly plant, worked many model changeovers, some of them we gutted the entire body shop and started over. Here is my take on the exoskeleton debate. A lot of people appear to have a misconceptions of what is even possible as far as putting an exoskeleton on the CT. First, Elon has mentioned several times how hard it is to work with the SS they are using. Having to notch the inside of the workpiece just to be able to bend a straight line crease without breaking the press. That is why you don't see any curved SS panels anywhere on the truck, it's not an option. So, they can't make door jambs or B pillars out of SS. Second, there have to be mounting points for things like hinges, roof rails and casting mounts. How would you attach a drive unit to the outer skin? What you are seeing in the pic is what I call a space frame, I don't know what Tesla calls it, made out of the same super high strength steel that the cars use. I guess you could call it a roll cage, which is what actually is. Then add the structural battery pack, plus the front and rear castings, just like the cars. And what you see here does look just like a new Model Y frame. So what's different about the CT, why do they call it an exoskeleton, and where does the weight savings come from? Well SS is lighter than the high strength steel. Saving weight by the best part being no part like, heavy steel side impact beams in the doors, or using thinner steel in many areas of the space frame itself. I didn't see any kind of steel reinforcement in the rear casting area, which might have been needed for towing or hauling. I believe the reason they call it an exoskeleton is because the CT would not be structurally sound enough to drive without the added support of the outer skin. If you were to take all the sheet metal off a Model Y, it would still be perfectly driveable and nearly as crash worthy. The CT not so much. IMHO.
I believe you are right that it is the combination of the body panels and the frame that will provide the overall structural strength. I think this was always the intention. You definitely need the frame to provide strength as well, especially the B-pillar in the middle of the vehicle where the doors are. The doors would immediately jam in case of a roll-over accident if the underlaying frame didn't provide enough structural reinforcement.
Lots of changes including overall dimensions and the way the bed is put together, but not in the basic structural approach involving the novel exoskeleton.
Hold those thoughts until we see the "structure of the stainless steel body parts". It will be the combination of structures for sure. Collision safety engineering has changed with the castings and it all must work together. I have experienced 60 years of Budd Company stainless steel rail passenger cars unpainted and still in daily service looking good in the USA.
In my opinion, building Cybertruck with removable SS panels, whether structural or not, will make it less difficult to repair collision damage. Based on the leaked photos, it appears that much of the vehicle's structure is internal as evidenced by the upper extensions of the rear casting.
I doubt the 3mm SS outer skin will be removable, given how important adhesion to the underlying stamped frame will be. But I don''t know how they are attacked. Maybe an adhesive that can be broken down by some process.
What you called side body panels, aren't. You are looking at the body-in-white. All bodies-in-white are structural ekements. They provide stiffness to resist twisting, and so they are load-bearing. Cybertruck, too. Tesla did not backtrack, and there is no significance to calling the body-in-white + body panels 'skins.' Don't overthink this. The use of the word 'exoskeleton' just means *the tough part is on the outside.* With all other consumer vehicles, the body is fragile. Paint is even more fragile. No doubt design changes have been made. But the exoskeleton idea has not been watered down.
For my sanity may I humbly request that you (and all other content creators) refrain from using the cybertruck "crash test" b-roll? It's so frustrating. Many thanks.
It’s not ladder frame. That’s still most impressive. Yes, door jamb pillars separate from (front &) rear sail. To be expected. Still using triangulation of tray sails up to roofline to take that 3,500 lb load, not banana chassis like Hilux of old. It won’t flex like a F-150 ladder, separate tub. It’s function, performance that counts, not sticking to aesthetic hypothetical design. Does it still save weight, allow lower bed, stiff, superior "sports car" handling? Is it still cheaper to produce, more robust / long lasting?
If the skin is strongly attached to the underbody, it should provide shear strength, stiffness and integrity to the package, similar to how it would work if more "integrated." In any case, the stainless skin is a big plus.
I'm sure what you are seeing is the structure necessary for the side panels to function. Center beam for hinges for the rear. doors, door latches, seals, etc. These are necessary structural items for doors to function. It can still be exoskeleton with functional doors.
Your conjecture makes perfect sense in light of Tesla's experience with the Model Y and their track record of promising a vision and delivering a pragmatic solution. It should be a great product, either way.
I doubt the cyber truck exoskeleton design has changed at all from its original conception. If you look at the body image that was on the original order page, you can see the stamped members around the door openings. Clearly 3 mm thick exoskeleton steel could not be completely self supporting. The folded steel and stamped frame just beneath it together give the body the rigidity it needs.
Different (3+) materials ( and thicknesses) require separate steps The picture you see there is already two main (materials put together) steps, one stamping parts and one casting parts now just add the stainless steel panel then that’s your final exoskeleton Even the midsection are welded stamping pieces, ( not just from a single stamping); then you have two casting pieces, front and rear.
Exoskeleton used structures skins. Mystery solved. The difference between conventional and tesla truck structures is if the kin bearing any loads. Tesla’s does, the other doesn’t.
Doubtful that this is a half step. They simply overplayed the idea of the exoskeleton. The skin will offer structural support, but not without the castings. Fantastic either way!
There is no practical way of assembling stainless plates without a base structure. It is perfectly possible that instead of multiple welded sheets as usual for stiffness & crash worthyness they used sheet metal for the alignment control and interior fixtures of panels. So, not really a deviation. Unless someone tells me how to assemble flat stainless panels & interior fixtures without a base...
Agreed. A true exo-skeleton vehicle would have a very hard time passing crash testing. If you dent/bend/crush part of the structure the integrity is compromised. What happens when you damage a submarine while under stress? After a side impact the next impact would fold the CT up. It would be very difficult to pass the roof crush test with only a stressed skin. The idea behind the SS skin was to make the truck tough, no paint to scratch, dent resistant, rust resistant etc. Using the skin to improve structural strength makes sense. I don't understand the furor over whether it's a "TRUE" exo skeleton or not is about. Will the CT do what it is expected to? Will the body be damage resistant? Will it performance well? Have good enough range? Worrying about whether or not it meets someones definition of exo-skeleton or is stressed skin unibody or monocoque or space frame strikes me as ridiculous. Tesla designs based on first principles. If you can out engineer them you are wasting your potential in the comment section.
This comes as no surprise to me, I was expecting exactly this kind of structural design for the CT. Huge Elon fan, but a lot of you should already know that he is no stranger to hyperbole. In this case, the word was "exoskeleton".
I have a feeling that they couldn't get the 'Exo-skeleton' as we all think of, to work for production at a reasonable cost. Thus, its probably just a conventional pressing to keep cost reasonable.
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Regular stainless steel is tough and more difficult to machine/drill, etc. Likely the alloy being used is even stronger -( future mars vehicle 🙃) … so yes, the panels will contribute to the vehicle’s strength in no small way
ST Structure was always designed to be “box” like for each side (design not changed), with the stainless being one or one & half sides of the box, strong stainless panels allow inner stamped structures to be thinner lighter
Tesla really does have the most efficient factories out there. As for the new CT - I'ms user early on the reservation list but man am I in a tough spot. Do I get an early example knowing that it is going to get way better in a year or so... and is it possible to delay my order. I just get the quad and sell it in 6 months and pickup an updated one later down the road....
I am in a unlucky positon in Europe and do not know whether we even get ONE Cybertruck. I am in the lucky position that we certainly will not get the first gen. I hope for a 3rd. gen in 2028.
Buy it and immediately resell it - you will make a nice profit from the hype alone. THere are very wealthy people that want the latest and outrageous fashion. Then wait another 1-2 years for Tesla to refine it. That happened with all of the models, but this going to be especially true for Cybertruck. This is such a radical design that probably it will take few years to work out the kinks.
If there is no underlying chassis holding the "cabin" to the "bed", you've got an exoskeleton or monocoque, as all modern cars have. The structural walls are made of diferent layers in all cars. On the Cybertruck the outer skin happens to be stainless steel, but the inside "skin" is stampable steel, so you can achieve the complex shapes needed for the door frames. I believe the design remains the same as when it was first presented.
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Exoskeleton design like an aircraft doesn't mean that there are no internal structural supports. Rather, it means that the SS skin attached to the internal framing yields more structural strength than with standard internal structural supports alone. We can only speculate until Munroe tears one down for detailed analysis.
What the hell does it really matter if the Cybertruck is really an exoskeleton design r not? Didn’t everyone see Franz wack the door hard with a sledgehammer? Do you think any other truck on the market would not suffer significantly more damage from such a blow? Exoskeleton or not, Cybertruck promises to be significantly more durable in this regard.
Laser cutting and folding is really really slow compared to stamping, so if it's ever going to be produced at scale they will need many many laser tables and press breaks so probably many more machines and much more floor space for similar production volumes with traditional stamping. Think 5 second cycle time for stamping and 5 minute cycle time best case for laser cut and fold. That's a 60x time cost unless you have 60 laser machines and 60 press breaks feeding into the production line. That's why I doubt the will achieve close to 25000 in 2024 and that's being optimistic
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What if it's still true exoskeleton and the mid section shown in those photos is strictly for attaching other components-but can be much thinner and lighter since the stainless actually does the structural “heavy lifting”?
For real production line of a mostly unibody truck. Wondering if Tesla will use thinner steel for the body...no need to haul around 3mm of expensive stainless if it isn't structural. 1.5mm aught to do the job while keeping the weight and cost down.
some aftermarket company should start making a bolt on kit with 2 chrome stacks and a halloween fluid tank sprayer apparatus that blows smoke from the stacks while driving down the road,hurry so its ready right away🤣
I would love to see a car made in one single cast. Mount the windows and doors and everything else from the underside. I guess Model 2 will be made this way.
I think it'll be 1 large cast piece for the frame overlay of the compact(could it be the first tesla without a glass roof? Then the f&r castings and a small structural pack with the seats&carpeting mounted to it. Just 4 major pieces to make a car with 3 being castings. Imagine the cost savings and speed of assembly. 😎
@@4literv6 I would not mind a plastic or metal roof. I have closed my roofs in my teslas with sun shades. I think the glass roof is one of the things that make no sense. Imagine a factory where you delivery alumiium, steel and crude oil on one side and get a complete running autonomous vehicle on the other side. Its magic! "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
I expect this to be an incredibly rugged truck and so I think the 375,000 target is low if this truck is marketed in Africa and SE Asia where it could replace Toyota truck for utility, assuming the charging infra structure is available, and costs can be contained.
Depends on price. Elon warn it will be "expensive". I don't know if that means Model X or Model S expensive, but certainly much more expensive than a Model Y.
I have a delima! I am a reservation holder. I drive a Rivian R1T now and just love it. I would have to trade it in to get my Cyber Truck. What would you do? Keep my wonderful Rivian or trade it in on the Cybertruck?
They didn't. I think most of them knew that casting stainless steel would be too expensive and besides, Elon has been talking for years about folding the stainless steel.
I think Tesla changed the wording because Corey Stubbin said it was not an exoskeleton. He kind of half recanted but the damage was done. The haters had a talking point. If one looks at a turtle it is a good match for the cybertruck. Exoskeleton with all kinds of attachment points. Top and bottom. The body in white is a good way to create the attachment points and shells for door openings and interior parts. However the real problem that nobody is talking about is that with all the holes for doors, glass in the roof and the box it was never going to be a great exoskeleton. None of it matters as it will be a great truck.
It can't be an exoskeleton; stainless is very expensive, 2X - 3X the cost of mild steel. With an exo you would need to use much thicker, and heavier material. You can actually see how thin the stainless is: around the fender areas you can see warble in the surface. I'd bet anyone here it is under .030, because .040 will stay flat in my experience. My guess is when they saw the cost and thought about repairabliity they dropped the exo idea.
There's no incentive to ramp Semi fast because 1) Tesla is still battery constrained and one Semi takes a dozen Model Y battery packs 2) Semi factory, and not just a small line with higher per unit cost that is available today, only comes online 2025-ish, expanding Giga Nevada. IMO they could've built out half of Giga Texas for Semi and ramp it significantly, it just makes no sense considering battery (and engineering) shortages. Tesla wants to grow fast but not so fast it is unsustainable.
@@BigBoneESB A concept prototype of the Semi was unveiled at a press conference on November 16, 2017, where Elon Musk provided additional specifics. So if you say the Semi will come online in 2025-ish, that is 8 years. This battery constraint thing must be the real deal. Hope they have enough batteries for the CyberTruck.
Hi Jon Noone have any doubt to not believe Teslas claim of a structural skin..? These new pictures i think shows all the stamped pieces nedded for door openings, fender, sail and door attachment Tesla always innovate so in the future more and more parts will be replaced with castings
cant wait to watch all the duramax and LS swap videos on the cybertrucks when the batteries go bad...just got this 2004 chevy 2500 duramax all rusted out and this cybertruck with bad batteries at the auction and we thought we would do something different, so we are going to duramax swap it and call it the cyberMAX🤣
I’ve seen UA-camrs build their own in a few months. The amount of hype this had so many years ago it should already be boring. Now when you do finally get one you will look foolish.
I think most people will purchase a Cybertruck just because it is novelty. Lets all try to remember...this is an all electric truck. Imagine taking this "tank" Cybertruck out to the desert somewhere and running out of power. ......now what? Sure, this could also happen with a gas truck but batteries are not going to fair well as well as a gas combustion engine. ( Basically, deal with heat well ) Plus, it is going to cost soooo much to purchase one that it will not even make any sense that it is electric. Only the rich will buy them for only the reason to look cool. They will not be worth what you end up paying for one.
Do you know I’ve seen how trucks are built traditionally and this thing looks like it’s built literally like a tank already how much better can you really get? One thing is for certain it is Wayover built compared to anything else that’s out there in the world already!!😂🎉. As an ad Traditional trucks are built on a ladder frame, and they always twist. I repeat, always twist, and the cyber truck will not twist. That’s almost an absolute guarantee.😂
I still wonder how they can destroy energy in case of an accident. Normally this is done through forming the steel. If the form will stay in case of an accident, where does the energy go. They could pout airbags to the outside. More realistic, they have to allow that the steel plates get destroyed in an accident but take energy.
@@timsmith6815 I had to look up: "Adamantium is a virtually indestructible steel alloy named after the fabled metal Adamantine of Greek mythology. The metal has its origins in the work of American metallurgist Dr. Myron MacLain during World War II when the U.S. government assigned him to military research and development." Think about small cars, bikes, pedestrians (well for bikes and pedestrians its mr important that they roll over the vehicle). Also I think Tesla will do a lot with cameras in trying to avoid accidents. Steel on a vehicle is in the range of 0.8mm. It takes - for an accident - too much energy to deform 3mm steel. On the other side, when its stable its also good.
One thing bugging me is that it will be impossible for most people to reach over the side of the bed and get stuff out. In a 'normal' truck or a ute you can approach the tray from any side and get stuff out, but with CT you would need to get in the back to get anything that was up near the cab.
What you say is true. However, even in conventional pickup trucks, I believe that a high percentage of them are sold to people who *rarely* put anything in the bed at all. They're mostly driven by poseurs. I don't pretend to know the actual percentage, but here in the big city where I live, I think it's a large majority of them. I see these huge, shiny trucks driving around without a scratch on them--inside the bed or out. I think that an even higher percentage of the buyers of the CT will be buying it for the image it projects (clearly not the same image as the conventional pickup truck market likes to picture themselves--i.e., cowboys out ridin' the range). But I think they will have some kind of definite (space cowboy?) image in mind that will be their overriding reason for buying the truck. Few of them are going to use it as a working truck. I guess what I'm saying is, in a sensible world (and maybe where you live is sensible) your criticism is entirely valid. Where I live, I don't think it's going to make much difference to CT buyers. They'll be putting that bag of groceries in the frunk.
@@eyesuckle I might have mentioned I wasa sparky working in a mine site and always had tools and otherequipment rollingaround in the tray, that always ended up hard up against the cab. In a Cybertruck I'd have to get in the tray to get it.
This is incorrect. CT uses 301, cold rolled 30x, that is 3mm thick. It contains nickel, chromium, & iron. Making it more cost effective, but not as strong. DeLorian used .8mm 304.
Spent 30 years in a GM assembly plant, worked many model changeovers, some of them we gutted the entire body shop and started over. Here is my take on the exoskeleton debate.
A lot of people appear to have a misconceptions of what is even possible as far as putting an exoskeleton on the CT.
First, Elon has mentioned several times how hard it is to work with the SS they are using. Having to notch the inside of the workpiece just to be able to bend a straight line crease without breaking the press. That is why you don't see any curved SS panels anywhere on the truck, it's not an option. So, they can't make door jambs or B pillars out of SS.
Second, there have to be mounting points for things like hinges, roof rails and casting mounts. How would you attach a drive unit to the outer skin?
What you are seeing in the pic is what I call a space frame, I don't know what Tesla calls it, made out of the same super high strength steel that the cars use. I guess you could call it a roll cage, which is what actually is.
Then add the structural battery pack, plus the front and rear castings, just like the cars.
And what you see here does look just like a new Model Y frame. So what's different about the CT, why do they call it an exoskeleton, and where does the weight savings come from?
Well SS is lighter than the high strength steel. Saving weight by the best part being no part like, heavy steel side impact beams in the doors, or using thinner steel in many areas of the space frame itself. I didn't see any kind of steel reinforcement in the rear casting area, which might have been needed for towing or hauling.
I believe the reason they call it an exoskeleton is because the CT would not be structurally sound enough to drive without the added support of the outer skin.
If you were to take all the sheet metal off a Model Y, it would still be perfectly driveable and nearly as crash worthy.
The CT not so much.
IMHO.
Thanks for the insights.
I believe you are right that it is the combination of the body panels and the frame that will provide the overall structural strength. I think this was always the intention.
You definitely need the frame to provide strength as well, especially the B-pillar in the middle of the vehicle where the doors are. The doors would immediately jam in case of a roll-over accident if the underlaying frame didn't provide enough structural reinforcement.
I am sure Tesla's design for the cybertruck has changed considerably from what was envisaged at the start of the design
Naah! I'm sure every Cybertruck will be delivered with broken windows. And a sledgehammer to test its toughness!
Lots of changes including overall dimensions and the way the bed is put together, but not in the basic structural approach involving the novel exoskeleton.
Hold those thoughts until we see the "structure of the stainless steel body parts". It will be the combination of structures for sure. Collision safety engineering has changed with the castings and it all must work together. I have experienced 60 years of Budd Company stainless steel rail passenger cars unpainted and still in daily service looking good in the USA.
In my opinion, building Cybertruck with removable SS panels, whether structural or not, will make it less difficult to repair collision damage. Based on the leaked photos, it appears that much of the vehicle's structure is internal as evidenced by the upper extensions of the rear casting.
Yeah, with them offering their own insurance they now factor that into their design iterations.
I doubt the 3mm SS outer skin will be removable, given how important adhesion to the underlying stamped frame will be. But I don''t know how they are attacked. Maybe an adhesive that can be broken down by some process.
It would have been overly complex for a pure exoskeleton to have crush zones. The hybrid approach makes more sense.
Yes Tesla’s exoskeleton is just another name for unibody construction. Versus other traditional trucks which are body on frame design.
What you called side body panels, aren't. You are looking at the body-in-white.
All bodies-in-white are structural ekements. They provide stiffness to resist twisting, and so they are load-bearing. Cybertruck, too.
Tesla did not backtrack, and there is no significance to calling the body-in-white + body panels 'skins.'
Don't overthink this. The use of the word 'exoskeleton' just means *the tough part is on the outside.*
With all other consumer vehicles, the body is fragile. Paint is even more fragile.
No doubt design changes have been made. But the exoskeleton idea has not been watered down.
For my sanity may I humbly request that you (and all other content creators) refrain from using the cybertruck "crash test" b-roll? It's so frustrating. Many thanks.
It’s not ladder frame. That’s still most impressive.
Yes, door jamb pillars separate from (front &) rear sail. To be expected. Still using triangulation of tray sails up to roofline to take that 3,500 lb load, not banana chassis like Hilux of old. It won’t flex like a F-150 ladder, separate tub. It’s function, performance that counts, not sticking to aesthetic hypothetical design. Does it still save weight, allow lower bed, stiff, superior "sports car" handling? Is it still cheaper to produce, more robust / long lasting?
If the skin is strongly attached to the underbody, it should provide shear strength, stiffness and integrity to the package, similar to how it would work if more "integrated." In any case, the stainless skin is a big plus.
The design hasn't changes a little bit , it has completely changed .
I'm sure what you are seeing is the structure necessary for the side panels to function. Center beam for hinges for the rear. doors, door latches, seals, etc.
These are necessary structural items for doors to function. It can still be exoskeleton with functional doors.
Very thought-provoking. Thanks
Your conjecture makes perfect sense in light of Tesla's experience with the Model Y and their track record of promising a vision and delivering a pragmatic solution. It should be a great product, either way.
I doubt the cyber truck exoskeleton design has changed at all from its original conception. If you look at the body image that was on the original order page, you can see the stamped members around the door openings. Clearly 3 mm thick exoskeleton steel could not be completely self supporting. The folded steel and stamped frame just beneath it together give the body the rigidity it needs.
You may very well be right.
Different (3+) materials ( and thicknesses) require separate steps
The picture you see there is already two main (materials put together) steps, one stamping parts and one casting parts now just add the stainless steel panel then that’s your final exoskeleton
Even the midsection are welded stamping pieces, ( not just from a single stamping); then you have two casting pieces, front and rear.
Exoskeleton used structures skins. Mystery solved. The difference between conventional and tesla truck structures is if the kin bearing any loads. Tesla’s does, the other doesn’t.
I think whatever design they are using now will be the one they use going forward. Having the panels detachable make more sense for repairs.
Doubtful that this is a half step. They simply overplayed the idea of the exoskeleton. The skin will offer structural support, but not without the castings. Fantastic either way!
There is no practical way of assembling stainless plates without a base structure. It is perfectly possible that instead of multiple welded sheets as usual for stiffness & crash worthyness they used sheet metal for the alignment control and interior fixtures of panels. So, not really a deviation. Unless someone tells me how to assemble flat stainless panels & interior fixtures without a base...
Agreed. A true exo-skeleton vehicle would have a very hard time passing crash testing. If you dent/bend/crush part of the structure the integrity is compromised. What happens when you damage a submarine while under stress? After a side impact the next impact would fold the CT up. It would be very difficult to pass the roof crush test with only a stressed skin. The idea behind the SS skin was to make the truck tough, no paint to scratch, dent resistant, rust resistant etc. Using the skin to improve structural strength makes sense. I don't understand the furor over whether it's a "TRUE" exo skeleton or not is about. Will the CT do what it is expected to? Will the body be damage resistant? Will it performance well? Have good enough range? Worrying about whether or not it meets someones definition of exo-skeleton or is stressed skin unibody or monocoque or space frame strikes me as ridiculous. Tesla designs based on first principles. If you can out engineer them you are wasting your potential in the comment section.
@@GROND15ol!! I wish I can upvote you more than once!!
This comes as no surprise to me, I was expecting exactly this kind of structural design for the CT. Huge Elon fan, but a lot of you should already know that he is no stranger to hyperbole. In this case, the word was "exoskeleton".
I have a feeling that they couldn't get the 'Exo-skeleton' as we all think of, to work for production at a reasonable cost. Thus, its probably just a conventional pressing to keep cost reasonable.
Yes, its not even cost, its making it that is currently not possible.
John, I continue to find your videos so very insightful and informative. This was another excellent video!
i just like the idea of non rustig steel instead of expensive to fix after scratch colored parts.
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@@darrenphilip247 That's correct. At first, I wasn't too pleased with my gains compared to my previous performances, I was doing so poorly, I thought I needed to diversify into better assets, so I got in touch with an investment-advisor. That same year, I pulled a net gain of 550k, which is about 10 times more than I average on.
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Regular stainless steel is tough and more difficult to machine/drill, etc. Likely the alloy being used is even stronger -( future mars vehicle 🙃) … so yes, the panels will contribute to the vehicle’s strength in no small way
ST Structure was always designed to be “box” like for each side (design not changed), with the stainless being one or one & half sides of the box, strong stainless panels allow inner stamped structures to be thinner lighter
They may have had to pivot for safety. Perhaps the true exoskeleton was too rigid to absorb energy in a crash.
Tesla really does have the most efficient factories out there. As for the new CT - I'ms user early on the reservation list but man am I in a tough spot. Do I get an early example knowing that it is going to get way better in a year or so... and is it possible to delay my order. I just get the quad and sell it in 6 months and pickup an updated one later down the road....
I am in a unlucky positon in Europe and do not know whether we even get ONE Cybertruck. I am in the lucky position that we certainly will not get the first gen. I hope for a 3rd. gen in 2028.
Buy it and immediately resell it - you will make a nice profit from the hype alone. THere are very wealthy people that want the latest and outrageous fashion. Then wait another 1-2 years for Tesla to refine it. That happened with all of the models, but this going to be especially true for Cybertruck. This is such a radical design that probably it will take few years to work out the kinks.
If there is no underlying chassis holding the "cabin" to the "bed", you've got an exoskeleton or monocoque, as all modern cars have. The structural walls are made of diferent layers in all cars. On the Cybertruck the outer skin happens to be stainless steel, but the inside "skin" is stampable steel, so you can achieve the complex shapes needed for the door frames. I believe the design remains the same as when it was first presented.
John, I hope you’ll start posting your videos over on Twitter, were you on musk has promised monetization that’s 10% better than what UA-cam offers. The Twitter player may not be as good as UA-cam presently but it’s only going to get better.
Thanks for the suggestion. I plan to look into it.
Exoskeleton design like an aircraft doesn't mean that there are no internal structural supports. Rather, it means that the SS skin attached to the internal framing yields more structural strength than with standard internal structural supports alone. We can only speculate until Munroe tears one down for detailed analysis.
Can’t wait until Munro and associates do a tear down of the CT! I think it will be quite interesting…
What the hell does it really matter if the Cybertruck is really an exoskeleton design r not? Didn’t everyone see Franz wack the door hard with a sledgehammer? Do you think any other truck on the market would not suffer significantly more damage from such a blow? Exoskeleton or not, Cybertruck promises to be significantly more durable in this regard.
Laser cutting and folding is really really slow compared to stamping, so if it's ever going to be produced at scale they will need many many laser tables and press breaks so probably many more machines and much more floor space for similar production volumes with traditional stamping.
Think 5 second cycle time for stamping and 5 minute cycle time best case for laser cut and fold. That's a 60x time cost unless you have 60 laser machines and 60 press breaks feeding into the production line.
That's why I doubt the will achieve close to 25000 in 2024 and that's being optimistic
Perfect job for Tesla bot. Underground. Reminds me on Metropolis.
@EdenBen-gc2ew This is impressive how could someone go about getting investment guidance from a coach like that, would you mind sharing your coach info?
Good post, ty!
What if it's still true exoskeleton and the mid section shown in those photos is strictly for attaching other components-but can be much thinner and lighter since the stainless actually does the structural “heavy lifting”?
I wonder if the frunk ended up causing exoskeleton limitations
For real production line of a mostly unibody truck. Wondering if Tesla will use thinner steel for the body...no need to haul around 3mm of expensive stainless if it isn't structural. 1.5mm aught to do the job while keeping the weight and cost down.
This has to be the most controversial auto on the planet.
some aftermarket company should start making a bolt on kit with 2 chrome stacks and a halloween fluid tank sprayer apparatus that blows smoke from the stacks while driving down the road,hurry so its ready right away🤣
I would love to see a car made in one single cast. Mount the windows and doors and everything else from the underside. I guess Model 2 will be made this way.
I think it'll be 1 large cast piece for the frame overlay of the compact(could it be the first tesla without a glass roof?
Then the f&r castings and a small structural pack with the seats&carpeting mounted to it.
Just 4 major pieces to make a car with 3 being castings. Imagine the cost savings and speed of assembly. 😎
@@4literv6 I would not mind a plastic or metal roof. I have closed my roofs in my teslas with sun shades.
I think the glass roof is one of the things that make no sense.
Imagine a factory where you delivery alumiium, steel and crude oil on one side and get a complete running autonomous vehicle on the other side.
Its magic!
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
If you crashed you would just chuck away the whole car ?
I expect this to be an incredibly rugged truck and so I think the 375,000 target is low if this truck is marketed in Africa and SE Asia where it could replace Toyota truck for utility, assuming the charging infra structure is available, and costs can be contained.
Depends on price. Elon warn it will be "expensive". I don't know if that means Model X or Model S expensive, but certainly much more expensive than a Model Y.
I get the feeling some folks are going to apply a thick coat of rubber over it.
I don't recommend whacking the production truck with a sledge - caveat emptor!
I have a delima! I am a reservation holder. I drive a Rivian R1T now and just love it. I would have to trade it in to get my Cyber Truck. What would you do? Keep my wonderful Rivian or trade it in on the Cybertruck?
They have to make door shuts and surrounds somehow.
The casting is aluminum alloy. The exoskeleton is a steel alloy. How did anyone think that the exterior would be of and part of the cast? My gawd.
They didn't. I think most of them knew that casting stainless steel would be too expensive and besides, Elon has been talking for years about folding the stainless steel.
Exoskeleton was always just hype
I think Tesla changed the wording because Corey Stubbin said it was not an exoskeleton. He kind of half recanted but the damage was done. The haters had a talking point. If one looks at a turtle it is a good match for the cybertruck. Exoskeleton with all kinds of attachment points. Top and bottom. The body in white is a good way to create the attachment points and shells for door openings and interior parts. However the real problem that nobody is talking about is that with all the holes for doors, glass in the roof and the box it was never going to be a great exoskeleton. None of it matters as it will be a great truck.
Like this because, no better way.
It can't be an exoskeleton; stainless is very expensive, 2X - 3X the cost of mild steel. With an exo you would need to use much thicker, and heavier material. You can actually see how thin the stainless is: around the fender areas you can see warble in the surface. I'd bet anyone here it is under .030, because .040 will stay flat in my experience. My guess is when they saw the cost and thought about repairabliity they dropped the exo idea.
Will the CyberTruck ramp as slowly as the Semi has?
There's no incentive to ramp Semi fast because 1) Tesla is still battery constrained and one Semi takes a dozen Model Y battery packs 2) Semi factory, and not just a small line with higher per unit cost that is available today, only comes online 2025-ish, expanding Giga Nevada. IMO they could've built out half of Giga Texas for Semi and ramp it significantly, it just makes no sense considering battery (and engineering) shortages. Tesla wants to grow fast but not so fast it is unsustainable.
@@BigBoneESB A concept prototype of the Semi was unveiled at a press conference on November 16, 2017, where Elon Musk provided additional specifics. So if you say the Semi will come online in 2025-ish, that is 8 years. This battery constraint thing must be the real deal. Hope they have enough batteries for the CyberTruck.
Hi Jon
Noone have any doubt to not believe Teslas claim of a structural skin..?
These new pictures i think shows all the stamped pieces nedded for door openings, fender, sail and door attachment
Tesla always innovate so in the future more and more parts will be replaced with castings
I feel like you know what really happened. They are realizing how stupid the idea is.
Weld the doors shut and you can do skin only.
Exoskeleton? I don’t give a flying F**k, TAKE MY MONEY!
cant wait to watch all the duramax and LS swap videos on the cybertrucks when the batteries go bad...just got this 2004 chevy 2500 duramax all rusted out and this cybertruck with bad batteries at the auction and we thought we would do something different, so we are going to duramax swap it and call it the cyberMAX🤣
Do you actually know what a exosleleton is? The frame of the cybertuck could never be called an exosleleton.
I’ve seen UA-camrs build their own in a few months.
The amount of hype this had so many years ago it should already be boring. Now when you do finally get one you will look foolish.
I think most people will purchase a Cybertruck just because it is novelty. Lets all try to remember...this is an all electric truck. Imagine taking this "tank" Cybertruck out to the desert somewhere and running out of power. ......now what? Sure, this could also happen with a gas truck but batteries are not going to fair well as well as a gas combustion engine. ( Basically, deal with heat well ) Plus, it is going to cost soooo much to purchase one that it will not even make any sense that it is electric. Only the rich will buy them for only the reason to look cool. They will not be worth what you end up paying for one.
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I hate the wipers why couldn’t they tuck it under the hood really!!!
U need to grow a mustache 😢
Jon did you know Cybertruck will mine dogecoin??
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This is old news dude.
Do you know I’ve seen how trucks are built traditionally and this thing looks like it’s built literally like a tank already how much better can you really get? One thing is for certain it is Wayover built compared to anything else that’s out there in the world already!!😂🎉. As an ad Traditional trucks are built on a ladder frame, and they always twist. I repeat, always twist, and the cyber truck will not twist. That’s almost an absolute guarantee.😂
I still wonder how they can destroy energy in case of an accident. Normally this is done through forming the steel. If the form will stay in case of an accident, where does the energy go. They could pout airbags to the outside. More realistic, they have to allow that the steel plates get destroyed in an accident but take energy.
Ok is like 3mm stainless, in an accident it will deform its not Adamantium.
@@timsmith6815 I had to look up: "Adamantium is a virtually indestructible steel alloy named after the fabled metal Adamantine of Greek mythology. The metal has its origins in the work of American metallurgist Dr. Myron MacLain during World War II when the U.S. government assigned him to military research and development."
Think about small cars, bikes, pedestrians (well for bikes and pedestrians its mr important that they roll over the vehicle). Also I think Tesla will do a lot with cameras in trying to avoid accidents. Steel on a vehicle is in the range of 0.8mm. It takes - for an accident - too much energy to deform 3mm steel. On the other side, when its stable its also good.
Does he shave his mustache? 🤦♂️
Yes, I do.
CT isn’t going to really be an exoskeleton. So what? No one cares.
Elon who?
It's NOT an exoskelton.
@@user-iq9qr5cx3h Sandy Munro said it is NOT an exo.... so I'll take his word on it.
One thing bugging me is that it will be impossible for most people to reach over the side of the bed and get stuff out. In a 'normal' truck or a ute you can approach the tray from any side and get stuff out, but with CT you would need to get in the back to get anything that was up near the cab.
What you say is true. However, even in conventional pickup trucks, I believe that a high percentage of them are sold to people who *rarely* put anything in the bed at all. They're mostly driven by poseurs. I don't pretend to know the actual percentage, but here in the big city where I live, I think it's a large majority of them. I see these huge, shiny trucks driving around without a scratch on them--inside the bed or out.
I think that an even higher percentage of the buyers of the CT will be buying it for the image it projects (clearly not the same image as the conventional pickup truck market likes to picture themselves--i.e., cowboys out ridin' the range). But I think they will have some kind of definite (space cowboy?) image in mind that will be their overriding reason for buying the truck. Few of them are going to use it as a working truck.
I guess what I'm saying is, in a sensible world (and maybe where you live is sensible) your criticism is entirely valid. Where I live, I don't think it's going to make much difference to CT buyers. They'll be putting that bag of groceries in the frunk.
@@eyesuckle I might have mentioned I wasa sparky working in a mine site and always had tools and otherequipment rollingaround in the tray, that always ended up hard up against the cab. In a Cybertruck I'd have to get in the tray to get it.
Skin.? Wth
There is no special alloy. it's just a standard stainless steel. i bet it's the same as the DeLorean used.
They already said it's their own in house mettalurgy teams steel as used in the starship. 👍🏻
This is incorrect. CT uses 301, cold rolled 30x, that is 3mm thick. It contains nickel, chromium, & iron. Making it more cost effective, but not as strong. DeLorian used .8mm 304.