Jim Cornette on Dustin Rhodes' Response To Bryan Alvarez Complaining On Twitter About Chin Locks
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- From Episode 309 of the Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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People forget that wrestling is supposed to be holds and submissions, That's why it's called wrestling
Lmao straight up
Lol I know right!
And throws. Lots of throws.
Hogan and Austin are the two most successful wrestlers and I don't think they had any submission holds.
@@Station_AIAustin had the Million Dollar Dream from a hold over as The Ringmaster and, I think, he did the Texas Cloverleaf a handful of times.
Does face biting, eye rake or choke with vest count? Hogan had them...as a face 😂
I am so glad Jim is explaining that a "rest hold" isn't a thing. Dirt sheets ruined wrestling.
I miss the abdominal stretch. Where babyface would get trapped, tries to get out first time, heel hits him with the elbow in the side, gets out second time comes off the ropes, gets trapped again and then the third time he hits a hip toss on the heel and starts his comeback.
@@ichneumon2776I never was a fan of the abdominal stretch because when I was a kid and you know how when you’re a kid and wrestle your friends you obviously don’t understand holds. The abdominal stretch is one of the easiest to break out of as opposed to a headlock, headscissors or a hammerlock. If you fall by with an abdominal stretch though it becomes absolute murder since a Twister is basically a grounded abdominal stretch
Nothing is a thing until it becomes a thing, that's how language works. We make it up.
@@ichneumon2776Scott Hall had a top tier ab-stretch. His height made it look like he can apply some insane torque. I loved watching the heel grab the ropes and get more leverage, and argue with the ref. It was great story telling.
@@Station_AIImma start calling 3 pointers in NBA “Anal Breaches”
The was a Sasha/Carmella match where Mella was working a hold (not "resting") while trash talking, Sasha was selling the pain like a champ, the crowd was into it doing that clapping gets faster thing to rally the babyface... and Alvarez complained about how boring it was for the thirty seconds it lasted. Dude has the attention span of a coked-up gnat.
Hogan did that all the time and the fans loved it
Does... does Alvarez not know that getting a crowd invested in matches, getting kids to cheer the babyface Sasha Banks, getting everyone to boo Carmella when she (and Corey Graves on commentary usually while she wrestles) ham it up with the heel schtick is GOOD WRESTLING WORK? Like, a crowd wants to go to a show to be entertained-- obviously telling a story is entertaining them. Versus the crowd sitting on their hands watching a sloppy car wreck where they can't even see most of the action like Stadium Stampede. Just move after move-- the kids are not very entertained in an AEW crowd.
THAT is why no families want to buy tickets the second time they hit that city. Who wants to bring their kids to see Jon Moxley stick skewers in his forehead like an alien-creature sadist?! I sure wouldn't, people like Cody Rhodes, Jade Cargill, and everyone who wrestles on AEW Collision (or ROH tv which replaced Dark Elevation, thank god) does not want to be a part of that "AEW" vision.
I bet Alvarez despises watching Collision to review it especially when Punk was there lol it's like he hears and acknowledges the reaction from the entire crowd popping for matches like FTR vs Bullet Club Gold 2/3 Falls for the AEW World Tag Team Championship belts on AEW Collision (like the 4th episode they aired, I believe)... and he says that he recognizes everyone in the crowd enjoyed it-- he STILL would not like it whenever Juice put a knee in the back of Dax/Cash and stretched FTR's arms out even though the crowd bought it and got involved to get FTR back in it. How is this guy an intelligent influence on the Wrestling Observer in anyway if he doesn't appreciate real wrestling?
Tee cakes
It becomes clearer when you know that Sméagol AlvarAss was a failed indie wrestler who jobbed to Pockets and Marko Stunt. He’s not any bigger than Marko Stunt either.
@@nickhughes8179 Hilarious
Alvarez has consistently the worst takes in wrestling. He’s just there to make Demented Dave look smart and objective
Not really. Alvarez has no opinions of his own. Everything he says is just echoing what Dave believes, and we know Dave only wants to see a bunch of moves in rapid succession.
It's even worse than that. His proximity to Dave has had a clear and verifiable impact on his cognitive abilities. If you check out his stuff with Vinny back around 2009 and 2010 when he was dishing on TNA, he was honestly pretty fun to listen to.
Getting browbeaten by Dave's constant mumbling and interjecting and muttering without a coherent thought in sight has genuinely caused him to lose the plot, in my opinion.
@@Ryusuta The Bryan and Vinnie reviews of Urban Wrestling Federation are hilarious, too.
What happened to Vinnie, anyway? Haven't seen him on yt in forever.
Matches from fifties were way more fun than any match now,they should watch those more.
Im no body builder or anything but man Alvarez has the most beta male cuck voice ever.
Brian Alvarez has an inhuman ability to be so consistently wrong about everything in wrestling. The man would rather watch Orange Cassidy squash Brock Lesnar than a match between Randy Orton and Austin Theory.
It that was the case Orange be a curtain jerker every night. Brock would be my main eventer he wouldn’t lose unless I’m trying to groom a guy to be a top guy if the fans like him. I never read uncle Dave trash any way or Brian A I don’t have time for fake Wrestling news
To be fair, so would I, at least it would be weirdly entertaining. Orton has been boring for years.
"Make Brock Lesnar take a Canadian Destroyer!"
I'd like to see Lesnar shoot on OC.
@EwanCumia I wouldn’t want to see Brock on trial for murder.
It blows my mind that an alleged wrestling journalist doesn't understand what wrestling is
He works for the observer ofc he doesn’t know wrestling
seems to be a thing with everything now. in video games most gaming journalists know absolutely nothing about games and really suck at them.
Because not "journalists". More like 2nd rate pretenders. Internet erased a lot of standard based barriers of entry.
The word journalist gets thrown around a lot in wrestling. Gossip columnists would be a better description as they are more interested in talking about stuff from "sources" that overhead stuff somewhere. Alvarez also gets worked my jokes on social media and reports it as real like Miro and Punk during All In.
@@freddiejohnson6137 Solid take.👍
Randy Orton is the King of Chinlocks. I would pay to see Orton put Bryan Alvarez in a Chinlock he couldn't escape from.
I thought of Orton instantly too , the way he works it on a baby face is 2nd to none , especially with his facials. Man I miss Orton 😅
Doesn't beat Davey Boy Smith's chinlock. Very devastating.
@@BigChucka419especially when you get three or more in a match
@@freddiejohnson6137DAAAVEY BOY SMITH CHINLOCK!!!!!
Lol he'd rip Alvarez's head right off 😂😂
The influence Alvarez and Meltzer have on young wrestlers is ruining pro wrestling, and it shows. The entire AEW locker room for the most part are marks for these clowns and kill themselves every week, not to sell out arenas but to impress these clowns for a star rating. Listen to people who know what the heck they’re talking about.
"I hope I get 5 stars from Dave" - Britt Baker. What a fool
It is why I consider Meltzer and Alvarez to be the worst thing that ever happened to wrestling and what’s odd is that they are in a different way. As in, instead of being the worst booker or wrestler in the world, the unintelligible human gargoyle and his stooge convinced an entire generation to hurt themselves doing stupid crap so that they could earn their approval and that of their army of basement dwelling morons.
It shows. Britt Baker is still green and stilted, why?? Advice from Molly Meltzer Magoo and Sméagol. Her promos are very inconsistent. Sometimes you get gems like Chubby Whataburger Faces, other times you get Eva Marie.
@@Coldstone47034 I think she's using the laughing gas in her dentist office.
@@EwanCumia 🤣😂🤣😂
Key words in what Dustin said is "when used right", Jim once talked about this and the reason modern fans call this a "rest hold" is because nobody sells a submission maneuver unless it's a finisher/signature move, they just sit there removing their hair from their face and looking at their nails or whatever, I don't mind Chin Locks and Sleeper Holds and Bear Hugs as long as the wrestlers are selling
It's almost funny how Alvarez manages to have even worse takes than Meltzer
Time has not treated them well
That takes time and effort to be that bad
😂
Their balance is ironic. You have Bryan who has 1,000 takes that are almost always bad while Dave yammers endlessly spewing out nonsensical word vomit that doesn’t actually say anything and never arrives a concrete point. And when Dave finally does make a point it’s usually silly but seems more reasonable compared to Bryan. But they’ve come off extremely clown shoes over the past year or so
Alvarez is there as a litmus paper to make Dave seem less senile and/or desperately clinging to his forgotten youth to be friends with The Young Bucks who named their finisher after their "special friend" Dave who in turn always gives them 9.5 outta 5 stars and 10 stars in the Tokyo Dome
Dave's comment of 2023 which we can all enjoy and use for today's insight ..." Hindsight is um like uh you know ...whatever" ...Dave Meltzer, 2023
Alvarez thinks because he wrestled in front of fifty people in backyards he knows wrestling better than the actual wrestlers
*Fifteen
*a backyard once
That's goes for the mark "wrestlers" like Jungle b*tch too😊
@@socalkylexlol
"wrestled"
“Enough of the chin locks “
Nah how about enough Planchas to the outside. Doesn’t really get a reaction after you’ve seen it 40 times in one night
Exactly. Forwarded this to Dante Martin......
@@MADGUNSMONSTER that kid may never be the same after that injury. An unnecessary injury at that
Dante Martin is a cruel example of this. He didn't even "do a move" to shatter his foot, he was backflipping from a stupid Canadian Destroyer (because it's 2023 and we still do that move for some reason) off a ladder in the ring to a table outside on a PPV nobody watched.
I swear every AEW wrestler does 20 of those in one match.
@@tonyruby4467Which injury lol. He's had multiple, all equally stupid.
Bryan Alvarez needs to know his place at Meltzer's lap getting diddled
Few comments make one actually laugh out loud ...this one did...thanks for the giggle 😂
Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Steve Austin, Kurt Angle, The Rock used to grab a lot of holds. It makes sense, they're trying to wear out their opponents, leaning on them, making them breathe harder, making their respective opponents use more energy to power out of it. Rest holds and work rate are dirtsheet terms. And if the wrestler needs to have a moment to gather their thoughts and think of the next spot, or get a breather... then so what... working in the ring in front of people, in front of those hot lights, and basically doing cardio and heavy lifting is intense work, more demanding than any other athletic profession. Bryan Alverez needs to chill his cooch, and Bryan's matches are dry and basic... teflon matches, they don't stick.
Seeing this right after watching Stevie Richards' video on the lock-up. Alvarez sounds completely insane.
Love Stevie Richards, and love that channel! He clears a lot of misconceptions about the business flawlessly.
I’m glad Jim’s finally going after Alvarez recently, his dumb shitery has gone unchecked for far too long
Bryan Alvarez is another one of the guys who wants to stay relevant by the kissing the ass of all the gymnasts wrestlers so they can feed him info about shit or he can sit at Tony's 1am press conferences like he's a big time journalist
You know you’re in for a doozy when you hear “Bryan Alvarez tweeted…”
well once X goes to pay mode, there's no doubt that these guys will lose their forum and their audience.
That Kurt Angle was so unrealistic with his submission holds. Can tell the guy never had a legitimate wrestling match in his life.
Somehow, Alvarez has convinced himself that he’s an important figure in the business. That’s the problem with these dirt sheets now they’ve anointed themselves.
He's obviously not seen a Davey Boy Smith Chinlock, those were devastating #wrestlingbios
#RelivingTheWar
I miss lock ups, holds, and mat based wrestling. Like when Bret & Owen would do a 15-20 min match with no rope running.
God l wish there was less rope running. Especially with the women, they so obviously can’t whip each other all the way from one end of the ring to the other! They should be taking most of that out and mostly be hitting each other/bouncing each other up against the ropes from short range.
Not to mention, most of those matches didn't go to the floor!
@@DavidOwen-yv8wzit's a massive insult to the audiences intelligence.
@@DavidOwen-yv8wz women need a 13ft ring. It would solve tons of problems. That and hits and kicks should be banned from womens matches.
It’s really amusing. Alvarez had his very niche audience that heard all of his inane takes unchecked. Now there’s Twitter where everyone can comment on them and he turns his replies off.
Alvarez doesn't understand pro-wrestling. He thinks he's an expert, but he has no idea.
I can't remember who said Jim Ross told them to slow down. Jim said he couldn't talk about the person, their character, their persona if he called move after move with zero breaks.
Lance Storm
Alvarez is lucky Davey Boy Smith's not around these days, then he'd know what a chin lock really is.
I thought that was the front facelock he used in that incident?
DAVEY BOY SMITH CHINLOCK
Why even give Alvarez the time of day? You're the son of Dusty Rhodes, ffs.
though i agree with you, my guess would be because he wants to set the record straight on psychology, and he knows that Alvarez has an audience of people who are under the impression he actually knows what he's talking about, when he is clueless.
Bryan is the mouthpiece for the fans of the company he works for
Dustin can't help himself when it comes to voicing his opinion or arguing on social media. But in this case he was in the right, Alvarez is a moron and needs to be reminded so.
Alvarez is like the dad who coaches youth football but thinks he knows better than Andy Reid
Wrestling Bios ruined Chinlocks for me, they’re “Mufuggin Chinlocks” now 😂
You sir, are an animal, AN ANIMAL!
DAVEY BOY SMITH CHINLOCK.
Don't forget about Steve "Mufuggin" Blackman too. 😂
@@davidkelling159AN ANIMAL!!!
I see we have a bunch of Jam up guys in the comments today!
Imagine anyone on this planet listening to a single thing Bryan Alvarez has to say on any subject.
You can hear the estrogen in that guys voice and how he says "maaatch", ugh.
He used to be so funny when he reviewed Nitro & TNA. It's brutal what decade or two can do to a person..
Lance Storm talked about some sound advice from Jim Ross. Jim told Lance that if you go from move to move, that is all I am going to talk about. I can't put you over or the story over if you go from move to move.
I’m not sure if Alvarez has been in or seen an actual fight but he should watch some hockey fight videos. People literally do try and get guys in a “rest hold” when they get tired because it beats letting the other guy throw punches at you. Quite often, one guy will get tired first and you’ll see him try and tie the other guy up in a bear hug or by grabbing hold of his arms. Meanwhile the other guy is trying to break free and get his arm loose to throw some bombs at him. Same thing in boxing, guys get tired and they start clinching. The psychology of a hold in wrestling makes total sense because it’s something that really happens in a fight. Is it boring when wrestlers throw on a sloppy looking hold or don’t sell being in a hold? Sure, but that doesn’t mean you throw out the idea of a hold.
It's the least damaging way to make your opponent expend more energy.
"If you've never committed a crime you aren't an adult" Jim Cornette. 💯😂🤣
I guess I'm not an adult then.
@@Ratmann8436I find that very, very hard to believe. you've never stolen anything? Never drank a beer under the age of 21? Never went considerably over the speed limit? A thousand other possibilities.
“Dirty Sheets” need to go.
What do u think this channel is??
At one point, i actually enjoyed listening to Bryan Alvarez but after the MJF situation I've realized how god damn unbearable that dude is. Over there spreading rumors about MJF and shitting all over him and then when it was proved that he was wrong and he got worked, he refused to acknowledge he was wrong and just went on and on about the stupid fans thinking he's stupid 😂 don't even get me started on his clear bias and hatred towards Cm Punk
You're spot on
They got to be the weakest people on the face of the earth next to the fans who glue themselves at the airport for a wrestlers signature
CM Punk literally stole his girlfriend. He should recuse himself from any commentary about CM Punk
Sounds like Billi Bhatti crying bout how the listeners didn't like him and his whining all the time.
@@madhatter8508I'm not clued in. Who was the GF that punk stole
WrestlingBios would approve....
Whats so bizarre to me is the people who want to see amatuers do these gymnast routines are the ones who think theyre the "smart", hardcore fans.
That's like someone claiming to be a hardcore NBA fan wanting every game to just be a back and forth slam dunk contest.
All I could think of was Bret Hart when Jim was explaining how those "rest holds" were used to work the crowd. Bret's every move told a story inside the ring and he was called The Excellence of Execution not to constantly got from zero to 100 miles in two secs but to take the viewer on a long beautiful ride with him.
Never forget. Mjf has now beaten Darby twice with a headlock takeover.
Ha.
Yes but l could beat Darby Allin with a headlock takeover. That’s the problem ha ha!
Why is anybody surprised by his opinion? Dude is a cheerleader for the Elite club of course those fuckers don't believe in storytelling
Unless it’s
Waah, why aren’t we friends?? Or You can’t be my friend, you’re banished from the treehouse!!
5th graders, the entire MasseyGill bunch think like fifth graders and have the size of third graders.
I saw a wrestling match with Bryan Alvarez. The dude is smaller than Peter Avalon.
He’s as small as the Stunts.
I just can't help but see Larry Zybyszko in the Alvarez art.
Watch Fit Finlay or any of the older wrestlers put on a chin lock. They work it, crank up on it, move the opponent who is trying to escape/reverse it. Totally watchable and believable in the context of a struggle that each wrestler is trying to win.
Most modern "wrestlers" have no fucking grasp of what the premise of professional wrestling even IS.
Social media ruined pro wrestling.the fact that the so called experts praise that one match where they done 10 Canadian destroyers in a row to each other, says how Dead pro wrestling is
I listed to Alvarez for years... he used to make me laugh. By the time AEW launched he became unbearable and a mark.
He sold out. And so did *Tonight in This Very Ring: A Fan's History of Professional Wrestling* author (and former 411mania contributor), Scott Keith, who is another
Aviator-Shoemaker-Sole-Helium-Over-Laser-Entrance
that sold his soul to the Dumb Bucks and Kenny Olivier. His hatred towards Punk is even worse than Alvarez. The guy was once a Canadian Jim Cornette, but is now a Canadian Dave Meltzer. Why don't you go to his *Scott's Blog of Doom,* and leave him a "nice" message, if you know what I mean.
PS - By the way:
Scott Keith has a gmail, which is *SKeith.*
Dustin Rhodes becomes more and more one of my favorites as the years go on.
I would love to see Dustin in his corner and in the ring with him when Cody Rhodes wins the Title.
30 million Americans watched Hogan vs Andre, 10 million watched Austin vs Undertaker, less than 1 million watch AEW
Davey Boy Smith Chin Lock!!
"Wrestling was not meant for 5'6, 140lb gymnasts to vault off of each other" People have forgotten or simply don't know what WRESTLING is and is supposed to be
Chin locks are great British Bulldog chin lock all day everyday
Another masterclass by Jim and Brian.
I see the drawing of this guy I’ve never seen and only heard about, and all I can think about is Dinkleburg from Fairly OddParents.
British Bulldog would be proud
Conrad Thompson thinks these guys are the smartest guys in wrestling. Conrad is a little kid in a big fat mans body.
I got blocked on the K100 youtube channel for making a Conrad fat joke ...lol ...great work 👍
As a muscular math teacher once said: "He's FAT!!" 😎
And the brain of a lobotomized booby
I find that strange considering his father-in-law and sister-in-law are two of the best ever.
always count on Dave's tech support monkey for the dumbest wrestling takes.
A real shining example of the modern smark.
Amazing; Jim and Brian go almost 5 years ignoring Bryan Alvarez other than saying he's Dave's running buddy, and he's had 3-5 stupid takes worth discussing in no time flat. Karma for 20 years of being a nerd I guess.
I don't think it's related to these comments but Stevie Richards went over lockups done right very recently on his channel, how they add to the psychology of a match, then moving into other holds and having opponents sell properly as a great way to build the match.
Apparently that's boring to modern wrestling audiences though, better to just do random spots until you get bored and end it with whatever. Add some blatant blading in for extra credit.
The argument against "video game wrestling" was really apparent when I saw a clip of Britt Baker doing a Canadian Destroyer, Pedigree and Curb Stomp in quick succession for a 2 count. People were actually arguing that it was alright because they weren't *her* finishers. Reminded me of assigning nothing but powerbombs to my create-a-wrestler in the old PS1 Smackdown games. 20 running Awesome bombs over the top rope and capped it off with Snap Powerbomb 03.
Boring 90s style yet 13-15 million people watched that boring style lol
Meltzer's train monkey is starved for attention again, just because he's a failed wrestler who never amounted to anything, doesn't mean he has the right to judge people. He must still be bitter that Austin Theory has now been involved in segments/matches with Bock Lesnar, Stone Cold Steve Austin, John Cena, and the Rock.
Alvarez should just start commenting on the trapeze act in circuses already because wrestling has become beyond him.
Gunther worked an arm crank for about 90 seconds against Seamus at Clash at the Castle and it was probably the biggest heat spot for him in the match.
I had no idea that people actually equate "chin locks" to "rest hold." I always(ever since I was a kid) equate "chin locks" as grouding down your opponet to the point they are so tired, you can pin them to win the fight.
"common sense is not common at all." - by someone
Wrestling Bios does not approve.......... 💥💥💥 Davey Boy Smith CHINLOCK
Wow I legitimately didn't know that. I've always thought the chin locks, bear hugs and abdominal stretches were meant to be used as a breather, hence the term "rest holds". I guess that's the prominence and effects the dirt sheets have had on wrestling that in my 25 years as a fan and as an "internet fan" since the mid 2000s, I had no idea that rest holds weren't actually called "rest holds"
We need a Dave Meltzer and Bryan Alvarez Omnibus
The artwork is awsome 😆 thanks Travis
You tell em Jim it's about telling a story and making it work with the manipulation of people's emotions.👍💯
This is why no one take brian alvarez seriously as a wrestler. He doesnt know why the basic moves are important in pro wrestling
one flippy guy like rey or richote is needed 50 flippy guys is just a circus act
Wrestling Bios will love this video
Thumbs up if you never saw a Bryan Alvarez match.
Missed opportunity, the score cards should have said -5.
The boring '90s. The Era that brought us: Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Stone Cold, Goldberg, DX, The nWo, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, etc., etc., etc!!!!!!!
The 90s was boring to Alvarez because he spent a majority of it stuffed inside a locker
Brokeback Mountain
Brian Alvarez is starting to make Vince Russo sound like a genius.
I love Jim's dusty impressions "baby"
bryan "the stooge" alvarez with his foot in his mouth again.
I like that Jim gave a shout-out to Eb and Flo, the parents of Zippy the Pinhead, and thereby also to Bill Griffith, Zippy's creator.
Someone hasn't been watching Reliving The War on the Wrestling Bios channel to truly understand how vital chinlocks were during the Monday Night Wars.
Davey Boy Chinlock
Astonishes me that there's wrestling holds in pro wrestling. I want gymnastics!
-Alvarez
Muscles and Pepsi men make me fear for my life too!!
Sméagol AlvarAss
Forget the chin locks. We need more moves with hands in pockets.
Ha.
or Brass in Pockets
@@archiereece8321I have some brass in my pocket for your mom. Ha.
Pocket lock?
T-Bag from Prison Break had some good pocket work.
that is a REMARKABLE likeness of Alvarez. 10/10
I remember a Savio Vega vs Rocky Maivia match from 1997 on Raw with 6 chin locks, taking up a good 5-7 minutes of air time. That's the kind of extreme example Alvarez thinks 90s wrestling was.
Someone tell Alvarez to have a seat. I watched wresting in the 80s and 90s, when it was good.
a chinlock is a WRESTLING HOLD!!!
Alvarez saying crap like this but I bet he can't wait for Danielson Vs Sabre Jr. That match is going to be a technical, mat based, WRESTLING match.
Will it be everybody's cup of tea? Of course not! I'm looking forward to it for the exact reason AEW fans don't care. I like the wrestling side of pro wrestling.
I like it when a match plays out like a competition.
But without chin locks, how would WWE come back from the commercial break?
AEW, Dave and Bryan are really doing a number on my love of wrestling. :(
Bryan is too smug. He has no friends, so he does a podcast with his grandma. Everything Bryan and Vinny bashed about TNA they allow when AEW does it. AEW is Russo level bad, but since they give WON access, they’ll always push AEW.
Missed opportunity not having unka dave giving a score of ten.
With extra puppy dog tongue wagging
hearing jim and dustin explain what to me seems quite obvious as part of core wrestling fundamentals and having this jabronie schmuck alveraz think "it's 90s wrestling!" demonstrates the problem with the Meltzer camp. 90s wrestling to me was the height of the in ring stuff that wasn't too overboard nor too boring. like Bret Hart exemplified that line while Jumbo Tsuruta vs Tenryu in AJPW in their 89 stuff was what should've been the standard (as opposed to Kobashi, Misawa and to a lesser degree Kawada dropping people on their heads). even the junior stuff with liger, malenko, wild pegasus, etc. in the mid 90s was still good but not too over-the-top because they still managed to incorporate fundamental wrestling.
like my complaint about AEW is that most of the matches don't have ebbs and flows. it's just go go go. there's no build, no selling, no emotion from the drama created by the selling and no lull that helps create slow anticipation to the next major move to take your breath away. the matches look the same and people are generic in what they sound like and look like. when CM Punk was there, his matches were all different and there were things he'd add to make each one novel from the others he'd do.
Fans need to know that in a wrestling match the wrestlers are going to feel each other out.
It’s funny what Alvarez defines as “boring,” because I went to a ROH Final Battle at the Hammerstein Ballroom and that was extremely boring. Everyone looked the same, worked the same, essentially had the same match outside of The Briscoes vs The Dudley Boyz.
To B-ry's credit, for 3/4 of the 90s wrestling was on a sharp decline for both major companies.
And when it started back up it wasn't because of chinlocks, it was because of trash TV culture.
There is nothing that clues me in quicker that someone knows nithing about wrestling before, say, 2010 or so, than trying to say wrestling in the 80s or 90s or 70 were nothing but headlocks. Not to mention saying it as if headlocks, a thing that may indeed happen in a fight, are a bad thing in wrestling. I can guarantee that if I'm in a fight, I'm not gonna do a 360 corkscrew tope suicida onto my attacker, his buddies and my friend. But I may try to get an arm under his neck and choke him if things have progressed to that degree of hostility.
But anyways, pretending old wrestling was *just* headlocks and "rest holds" is just lied and misinformation. All someone should have to do is watch any Flair Steamboat match, or Flair Funk, or Lawler Funk, or any name from that era, their matches aren't hard to find. Watch any one of those matches and say it was just headlocks and rest holds.
Rest holds were an important mechanic in WWE Day Of Reckoning 2. Create a wrestler without one at your peril!
And most people who have been in fights probably know first hand that holds work. A hold can more reliably end a fight than a punch. You might not even be hurt, but if you're held down and your leg keeps getting pushed every time you try to stand then it doesn't matter. You have to think and learn to get out of holds, or the fight is over. Alvarez knows this, he does Brazilian Jui Jitsu!
Alvarez's opinion speaks to the dummies on the internet who blame Vince for everything, even basic NORMAL wrestling moves.
I'm not going to say anything about the psychology of chinlock, cause there are pro that knows better. But I've been to some grappling sparring and let me tell you, those "rest hold" would drain you both physically and mentally. At best you are in stalemate, at worst you are in the mercy of your opponent.