Watch out for this Christian Leader
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- William Lane Craig is a Christian leader and he impacts a lot of people. But you can see he admits he’s going with the flow of what he calls mainstream science. In other words, he’s taking what the majority of scientists, secular scientists, are saying-billions of years-and saying that’s fact and then going to the Bible. He’s taking man’s word literally and God’s Word allegorically.
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“God gave us two scriptures, his word, and his creation.
If they ever seem to be in conflict, we do not understand one of them well enough.”
- Saint Augustine
Given that science pretty much knows the world is billions of years old, it's very clear we've misunderstood his word, at least re Genesis.
@dasreicht "Science" means knowledge. God is omniscient, all-knowing. He says in His Word, the Bible, in Genesis Ch 1 that He created the world in 6 days. Since the Bible is a historical record, the exact historical genealogy given in it, adds up to 6,500 years appr. Do you know how culture explains evolution? It would take more than faith and miracles to believe it. Dawkins first said everything came from nothing. Scientific laws (1st Law of Thermodynamics) state that everything can not come from nothing. Now he says everything came from an intelligent being. If you found a watch on a beach and it worked precisely according to logic and reason, you wouldn't say it was formed from an explosion and it just fell perfectly together in place and began working. No, you would know it came from a factory where people had planned it out and formed it from existing materials. Or if you found a book and you saw beautiful color pictures and long lines of words in sentences that could form thoughts in your mind once you read it, I doubt you would believe that someone threw a grenade and the book fell together from the pieces. Then why do we believe a logical universe that runs by organized and precise laws came from an explosion? Or believe in a theory like evolution that: 1) Has not been proven (no one has ever seen a half fish-half bird etc) 2) is completely different from and does not count adaptation like in Galapogos finches, 3) tries to say we are little by little progressing as a universe when everything is actually growing worse and dying, as well as it goes against the 2nd scientific law of Thermodynamics that states that, within any system, change is constant and it all deteriorates over time.
Evolution is the one that does not add up to science.
@@dasreicht You're pretty much mistaken. Where did you obtain your tainted knowledge? I know- text books that are wild guesses & hopes, plus hand drawn illustrations of pretend ideas. Nothing other than # "we don't know " ..
@@dasreicht On day one Adam was created as a grown man; maybe the earth appears a lot older than it truly is also.
Or cos it’s man made and they weren’t very smart back then
"Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God." - Romans 12:2
Can an all knowing god regret anything, ever?
Let's see how much that makes sense.
Perfect
Amen
To a believer no explanation needed; to a non believer no explanation good enough.
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And Amen.
If your mid is turned off to new ideas, you are stuck in what you have thought from your past.
\ God supposedly told Moses to make it a law that adulterers need to be stoned to death.
Jesus chose to forgive the woman completely that was caught in adultery.
Either Jesus wasn't hearing God correctly or God changed his mind or Moses wasn't hearing God correctly because he had major anger issues and projected those onto God.
I'm going with the .last one and that's just one reason i don't take the Bible at face value. I ask the Holy Spirit to interpret it.
@@robertdouglas8895Romans 5-8
You forget also something... First of all, the religios people were trying to make Jesus saying something wrong so that they have a cause to crucify him. Secondly, the law says that both who committed adultery should be killed (they brought Jesus just the woman, not the man). Third of all, Jesus has the power to forgive sins (he said it more times, for example with the one man who couldn't walk and his four friends which brought him to Jesus)
@@idi8874 So you think Jesus compromised his words to protect himself from being crucified at the wrong time?
And you think Jesus would have been OK with the stoning if the mob had brought in the men that also were adulterers?
Jesus was showing us that the key to healing is forgiveness. We can only heal others or ourselves when we forgive everyone. It is our guilt that invites suffering or self-sacrifice. Forgiveness returns us to remembering we are created as spirit in the likeness of God, innocent
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
. If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent.
@@robertdouglas8895for your first question, no, o didn't say that. Jesus was the only one who had the authority to forgive. He also came to the world and said so many times: prepare, then the Kingdom of God is here.
He showed us how to live, love (Agape love), to forgive etc. But that doesn't mean that Jesus didn't accept the law or rejected it. He is God, and God is the same yesterday, today and forever. He cited so many times the law (the whole gospel of Matthew is full of it)
This guy actually does a disservice by telling people they have to believe nonsense in order to be a Christian.
If you reject God's Word (any part of it) you aren't a Christian. In fact you're calling the God you claim to serve is a liar.
@@Banishedsoulsofficialnowhere in the Bible does it say the world is only 6k years old
@Colith1 in Genesis, chapters 1 and 2 though, it did say the world and heaven was created in 7 days
@EscTruth80 so do you believe in a flat earth? Do you believe in the great flood? Are you saying if you don't beleive any of this, you aren't Christian?
@@Yes-nf4jcI don’t follow religion I follow Jesus nothing in that book matters but Jesus the Bible is not a science book so stop acting like it is
“Man’s word is wrong, God’s word is correct” said the man.
God's creation is correct, too.
Which God, there have been thousands of them over the years.
No, says God. Read His word.
The God Who makes sense, namely the Creator, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. And our Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, ultimately fulfills everything. All of this was WITNESSED and written. All other “gods” are demonic manifestations, and they flee from Christ. You have been told.
@@chriskourliourod1651 I find it very difficult to believe there are still people who think that at some point in the past, in actual real history, a talking snake tricked two naked people into eating a magical fruit that gave them special knowledge. And because of that real event in history, I have to believe that a god sacrificed his son, who is also somehow himself, to himself, so that he can forgive ME for being the descendant of those people who got tricked into eating the magic fruit. And if I don't believe it, this god will send me to a place where I will be tortured forever, but it's not really HIM sending me there, it's ME DECIDING to go there, by CHOOSING not to believe this story.
Science is one of the tools that God gave us to understand and best tend his creation. We ought not simply disregard it, unless it clearly and directly opposes scripture.
Except that science isn't used to decide the Earth is thousands of millions of years old.
@@martinploughboy988 Yes it is. There's many forms of dating of things. They're also able to be cross-checked to some degree. They apply across the world, without exception. We've found wood older than what the Bible says, based on following seasons and how much trees grew (not a single tree, but many trees, and the patterns runs across).
There are uranium formations, which degrade into a known chain of other elements.
@@patrickvolk7031 The way they date trees is by looking at the thickness of the rings & assuming there is one growing season. Then they compare rings across different trees by eye & decide that this ring looks the same as this ring, thus extending the range across multiple trees of different ages. It's more an art than a science & it is all tied up with assumptions.
As for dating methods agreeing, that's because any possible method that gives an answer that doesn't agree with their theory is rejected. No one has ever tested the ancient dates from radiometric dating methods to confirm their accuracy When known modern rock, for example at Mount St Helens, has been tested the result didn't fit the theory & therefore rejected by mainstream sciences.
@martinploughboy988 There are conditions which the methods work. Groundwater can leach in other chemicals. New.volcanic rock is subject to inclusion of eruptive gasses which would both disrupt isotope ratios.
Despite that, they indeed are verified against each other. To be scientifically accepted, it has to be repeatable, with disqualifying conditions plainly identified.
An example of a geomarker which is too new is Sr-90 and Cs-135 decay chains... They show up in steel used in construction, and in exposed rocks since 1944. Nuclear weapons testing changed the air worldwide. Now, it's the fission products, but 100 years it will be the first fission product.
@martinploughboy988 What does the Bible say about the age of the earth? Genesis only gives a lineage, which had to be passed orally. It's not consistent between the two versions of Genesis.
We cannot verify the lineage, and ages are definitely skewed in prehistory, with lifespans in the hundreds of years. There is no history aside from whom they beget.
There is no divine copy of the Bible. It was written by someone based on oral history. It's been translated a few times. That doesn't change the message one iota.
YEC goes against ID. Also, is it a bad thing if God created the earth and everything, and we have our role, as opposed to everything was made just for us? That seems very... selfish. If God is great, isn't his creation great as well?
I wouldn't be concerned with how old the world is when my place in the afterlife is far more important. If God says it took Him 6 days, who are we to disagree? I trust God. I don't trust mainstream stream science.
No you just trust in a Bronze Age book and god has been radio silent since the Bronze Age.
@@Legend-mg2ry A book inspired by the one true God. You can keep your godlessness.
Amen! Science falsley so-called says it all.
@@Legend-mg2ry God doesn't speak to anyone via radio. He speaks through the Holy Spirit when you accept Him through Jesus. Unstop them ears, and open them spiritual eyes, or follow blind leaders falling into ditches.
Believing the earth is over 10k old means the earth had nothing going on before. Are you saying the earth didn't exist prior to your belief? The earth just manifested from nothing? You do know it doesn't work like that, right. If we go to millions and not billions, the earth had no humanity for hundreds of millions of years. It's truly remarkable that we sit here conversing with each other in a language we both acknowledge. I have no answer for why that is.
I think Ken is correct.
Let God be true, but every man a liar!
Yet every book, ever written , was written by man.
You might want to read the bible again buddy. God is lying and deceiving all the time in that book.
@@angrydoggy9170 do you have any example?
@@idi8874 That’s a weird way to pose a rhetorical question. Just read the first few chapters.
God is ethier nonexistent, or he is the hide and seek champion of the universe 14 billion years and counting
I don’t care how old the world is, but I am glad there’s no TRex dinosaurs outside my window.
TRex my favorite
Fair point
Amen to that.
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haha fr
Thanks for standing up for the reliability of the Bible Ken. I've learned so much from reading probably 30-40 of yours or AiG books.
I'm trying to earn my preaching license in my denomination... and yesterday I had to sit and listen to my lead teacher in Alabama sit and basically attack Genesis 1-11 for half my day. It made my heart sick. He seemed much more afraid of what the world will think of us, than what the Bible clearly says.
blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly
What on earth makes you think all those scientists are ungodly? I take it anyone who disagrees with you is ungodly. Sigh.
Nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful
But his delight is in the law of the Lord. And on his law he…
@@ernestmallais5601 ..and in his law doth he mediate day and night
Blessed is he who talketh in a pretentiously archaic manner to feign wisdom where none actually resides.
Egads. Forsooth. Verily.
"It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in men." Psalms 118: 8
Exactly. God wants us to trust Him 100%
There is only one God and he must be calling you if you are asking me that question. Read The Gospel of John: Chapter 1. It only takes a minute, but It has the answers to the creation of the universe, my brother.@@dogsarentdangerous1195
@@Jesus_Christ_loves_you_alotThe politicians also want you to trust them.
If you blindly trust someone, you will be deceived, no matter how good the storytellers claim to be.
@@Jesus_Christ_loves_you_alot 6 million jews trusted him and were slaughtered. He had his son murdered. Trust him? Sure, just don't turn your back on him.
who wrote that psalm? was it a man?
Wow! William Lane Craig is the voice of reason. Have I entered the twilight zone?
So true.
This is like when Alex Jones was the voice of reason in the interview with Kanye West
I think he's changed this viewpoint
@@Brando-1-2-3 No he hasn’t. He’s gone more public with his view on evolution and the age of the universe. He even made a video, addressing an Answers in Genesis article, where he walked through showing various types of evidence for evolutionary theory. Even if you aren’t a Christian, his video has a lot of good information on the subject
@@joshuaherndon4383 Yes, this! Ken Ham is punching up into another weight division here. Craig does not require an alternate, 'just so' branch of science in order to project the Gospel. He can accept the plainly understood geological record and contend that the world was sovereignly and carefully created by God - and not be at odds with scripture in ways that can't be soundly reasoned.
There is a massive issue if you automatically dismiss knowledge simply because it comes from a secular source. Ken Ham makes mistakes.
Ken Ham sells the illusion of permanence and safety. He wouldn't be worth an estimated $55 million if that wasn't the case. Science is the continuous search for understanding, and that may not always be comfortable for some people. People can become uncomfortable with the notion that we are not the center of the universe, and that it is indifferent to our existences. Science is "I don't know, let's find out." Ham is "I know everything, follow me and don't ask questions."
Ken ham is a mistake
...and since you are a human, so do you!
@@thynameislegion... you obviously like watching him though lol!
Rocks formed 80 years prior were sent to secular labs to be "dated" on when they were formed. They came back with various dates all the way up to a million years ago, proving their 'date' claims are not just a little off, but an outright farce.
He's not going with the flow,... he's going with the E V I D E N C E !
Evidence, live it, learn it, love it. 👈
Not really evidence just pseudo science and children's books with corny pictures.
It seems so much evidence and consensus when the society is based on feelings and not truth, atheists don’t even read books to know whether what they (the activists) are saying is true or false lol I would debate any atheist on any topic anytime since I was one myself before and know how extremely r*tarded I was.
What evidence would that be?
@gregorymoore2877 The universe at approximately 13.8 billion years old is much older than Earth.
Earth is 4.5 billion years old. We know this thanks to a method called radiometric dating, which measures the amount of radioactive decay of isotopes in a sample to calculate how old that sample must be. The oldest rocks on Earth are 4.2 billion years old; any older rocks have been recycled through plate tectonics. However, scientists have also performed radiometric dating on lunar rocks and meteorites, and they all point to an age of 4.5 billion years for the solar system, including Earth and all of the other planets.
Aside from saying a book tells me it's 6000 years old, what evidence do you have that corroborates this claim?
@@gregorymoore2877 Lot's of compelling evidence for the Earth being about 4.6 billion years old including radiometric dating. There's masses of evidence for it being older than 6000 years old, including civilisations that are older than that. For example, you wouldn't be able to see any stars greater than 6000 light years away based on the measurable speed of light. There wouldn't enough time for the erosion and sedimentation we see or for fossils to form. There a stalactites way older than 6000 years.
As a Christian, I can say this is a terrible take by this guy. William Layne Craig's message is saturated with the Gospel, and something like the age of the earth does not change the message of salvation. God gave us the faculties to do science, and scientists, though many of them can be arrogant about it, do report what they observe through calculation and experimentation, and there is nothing ungodly about that. Creation is also the word of God, so we should not discount what it seems to tell us.
As a born again, by the Grace of God, Christian, I will credit WLC with preaching Christ’s Gospel; however, there are significant errors in the manner in which he packages and presents that gospel. He is a ardent proponent of the Catholic Jesuit’s Luis de Molina’s non-exegetical philosophy of Molinism. A philosophy that suggests God is limited in the effectuation of His Will by something foreign and outside Himself. That God in effect is doing the best He can given imposed circumstances in His creation, much like the way a poker player is attempting to make the best hand possible with the cards he happens to have been dealt. This is found nowhere in Scripture and is in many ways antithetical to God as He has revealed Himself. It was a counter-reformation conjuring which had as its desire, the positing of man as fully autonomous being. Also, the Bible makes no formal declarations as to the age of the earth. Verses 1 & 2 in Genesis Ch1 are written in the past tense before verse 3 and the first day. I personally make no claims on the matter, though perhaps lean old earth if pressed. Its question and response offer nothing of substantial value and is generally a topic which is used as an excuse for the denial of truth.
Either you believe the entire Bible or you do not. There is no such thing as half a Christian.
@@roybreitkreuz307 I don't believe in the entire Bible. Shoot me.
@@Joshua-dc1bs do not stop reading. Every answer is in there. All you have to do, 🙏is find it.
I tell that to people all the time. God gave you a brain so you can use it. I dont know his plan for you, but I assure you its not to sit on the couch with an energy drink. Explore his creation and think about what you find
Absolutely -- very sad and damaging to other brothers & sisters in Christ who listen to him.
Nothing is more damaging to someone’s faith than telling them to ignore what we can observe in the world because you think Ken Ham’s interpretation of Genesis is the correct one.
@@TheCrusaderPub I hope you are not compromising Christian
@@BoskiM your sentence is a bit incoherent but I think I get your question.
No, I don’t compromise God’s word. I reject your modernist interpretation.
@@TheCrusaderPub explain how taking God's word literal verbatim is twisting the scriptures?
@@BoskiM I didn’t say twisting scriptures… I said I reject your modernist interpretation. To say otherwise is outright dishonest.
Comparative ancient near East studies would show you why Genesis fits the category of creation polemic and is not a literal play by play of how God performed the act of creation.
I bet you don’t even take genesis one literally consistently. Verse 2 has God hovering over waters. Is there a literal uncreated water or is that not meant to be taken literally?
Thank you Ken Ham teaching God's Truth!!!
I’m pretty sure that God did not ask him to think anything that is not in the Bible when it comes to discussing biblical truths. It breaks my heart that he has stepped off the path and I can only hope that he finds his way before it’s too late.
@@Mario_Sky_521 Basically he pulled it out of his orifice and not out of the Bible, which he has seemed to have turned away from. We call it being compromised. Savvy?
The Bible doesn't provide an age of the earth. It is derived from the interpretation which is based on many assumptions. Ken Ham and his organisation teach many things that aren't in the Bible. The Bible has very little to say about the natural world that resembles anything like scientific information. Its concern is redemption through Christ.
@@hazmat5118aha, can you please provide some examples?
@@hazmat5118what about where God told his people to circumcise their male babies (boys) on the 8th day (genesis 17:12) ? Scientists haven't discovered far ago that on the 8th day, the number of thrombocytes were maximum in the individual. So if they would do this ritual another day (except the 8th day), the baby would die because it hasn't that much thrombocytes anymore to close the wound. Of course, the bible doesn't say scientific facts like the moon is x km far away from the sun or the vegetal cells contains chloroplasts which provide ATP (energy) for the plant etc. But science shows that the Bible is true and also approves it and vice versa
I’m totally sure, that god doesn't exist !
very dissapointing that such intelligent christians could be duped into believing man over God
There is no god. Sorry bud. We are looking for answers and god has been radio silent since the Bronze Age. There’s no denying that he has been radio silent since the Bible was written by man.
Just like you’ve been duped into thinking some men speak for God
Never thought I'd be taking William Lane Craig's side in an argument... but here we are...
Lol right
Same brother. Here I have to stand with Craig
You have two Minecraft characters looking at a Minecraft Canyon. One minecraft character says to the other this Minecraft Canyon was made in millions of years you can prove it by looking at the strata of the canyon. The other Minecraft character says it was made by a creator. The irony is that we both know that this world was created and that science does not always show the truth based on that example. Science does not address Supernatural occurrences.
"For although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God or give him thanks, but they became futile in their thoughts and their senseless hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for an image resembling mortal human beings or birds or four-footed animals or reptiles." *Or "science".*
Ken ham thank you for your stand on God's word
One of a handful of reasons why I left my former denomination. Between the acceptance of evolution and the unbiblical notion that you can accept Jesus on the broad road to hell and the disparaging of other Christian leaders by church leaders and the inability to shake away cult like practices. I think most in the denomination are Christian but have unorthodox views that will prevent others from becoming Christian. That’s why it has shrunk over past 25 years.
@@CoffeeWithAbsalomyes, but look at the passage where Jesus died on the cross. One of the thiefs believed in him and Jesus said: today you will be in paradise with me.
You know that worldwide, YEC is the unorthodox view, right? But you are correct, the claims of YEC are a big part of why the church is shrinking.
@@amaizenblue44 YEC is not the problem. The placing of human doctrine ahead of Jesus in the church is the problem. Death did not precede Adam. Adam’s sin is what brought death to this planet.
@@idi8874 the difference is clear, the thief on the cross was still alive in this world when he accepted Jesus. Once you die, and the cord to this planet is severed you are set. You either enter heaven because you believe in Jesus or you enter the hot place because you denied Jesus in your heart. You have to place your faith in Jesus before you are presented with overwhelming evidence. God gives each of us sufficient evidence to believe, not an ounce more.
@@joefromravenna a literal interpretation of the Bible is no less human doctrine. If your interpretation is contradicted by observations of nature, your doctrine is wrong.
Theistic evolutionists have no issue with your death reference, but recognize it as spiritual death, not physical.
Plot twist: they are both man's word.
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Not really a plot twist, but I like it 😂
That be some God level plot twist bwah ha ha ha ha ... for your reward... here are some j9ws
No, only for closed-minded people like you.
Haha, exactly. But you won't be able to make a religious person realize that
"How old is the world?" Actually about 4.6 billion years. the Universe is thought to be about 13 billion years old.
Yay. Glad you exist.
@richardhill2643 Since the idea that matter can not be created (from nothing) nor can it be destroyed... that tells you that it has always existed. This earth was made from materials that were left over from other worlds. Why don't scientists know that?
Look... if you build your house with logs that are 500,000 years old... does that make your house 500,000 years old when it was finished being built yesterday??
@@MrNirom1 😂😂😂😂😂 educate yourself.
@@skepticalobserver7484 And how do you suggest I do that?? Listen to scientists tell us? We listened to them when people in the past would die... and then come back to tell about it and what would they do??? Yes...a mental hospital. Now the scientists and doctors are experiencing the same things and realize... the people were not crazy. Science was WRONG.
They are just doing the best guess that they can thinking that they know more than God.
You should pray more often to God and ask if what I say is true. But don't go and think yourself crazy if you find out I am right.
No it’s not
The usefulness of religion is not found in the distortion of science and through lying to children. I can appreciate a preacher who observes this and is sensible enough to seperate science and experimentally observable fact from religion.
I believe the Word of God, our Bible, is from God, is true cover to cover. Once I took this stance, there is no other stance, and I have complete confidence in God, not mainstream science. ❤
Really? If a loved one of yours would fall deadly ill, who would you call first? A Doctor, or a priest?
And yet when you get sick you go to a hospital instead of your church.
Mainstream science means that all the testing done by scientists has the same conclusion.
Yeah, idk why these people pretend to be of God, when they clearly arent, like wolves in sheeps clothing leading men away from the Holy Bible.
You clearly know next to nothing about Craig
@@braydenarmstrong8519doesn't stop them from judging his heart.
Who are you to judge him? How do you know where his heart lies? Ah because he doesn’t take a literal reading of Genesis he must be of the devil is that right? Come now mate, that’s lazy and also dangerous ground to be standing on. I disagree with young Earth creationists however I disagree with you guys the same way I do with Presbyterians, respectfully and by still realising we are brothers and sisters in Christ called to repent and believe not called to think the bible is a scientific piece of literature. Because it isn’t. The bible has little to say about science because that isn’t the point. It’s a book of many genres and writings not all of which are literal.
God bless
The issue with this argument is that it assumes at the outset that Genesis teaches a literalistic 6 day creation account. The problem is that even Christian scholars from hundreds and hundreds of years ago have been exegeting Genesis 1-3 (chapter 1 especially) differently than this. So the claim that any challenge to a literalistic 6 day creation comes from man and not the Word of God is just a childish, question-begging attempt to deflect criticism. I highly recommend Gavin Ortlund's video on this topic for more information!
I’m a lifelong Christian and I believe that the world is billions of years old. A day is as a thousand years to God. What this means time is irrelevant. Who knows how long a day was when God was creating the world and everything involved with it.
"Don't cast your pearls before swine", that means literally to never throw your jewelry into pig pens.
"I stand at the door and knock", there is a literal celestial door with hinges and a doorknob.
Using a CAMERA to shoot a VIDEO edited on a COMPUTER to put it on INTERNET via WIFI on UA-cam to have the audacity to try to disprove SCIENCE is utterly laughable!
It is odd that they can benefit greatly, every moment of every day, from man's science and still claim that science is wrong.
I believe that was the first time I agreed with Craig!
Applied science is different than the speculations labeled as science.
@@Truth15freedom all scientific discoveries started a scientific speculation, but that is beside the point. Every nation that I am aware of that turned against science has suffered severely. But hey, maybe we will be the first to excel by being stupid!
You think this age of the Earth issue is science?
@@beefsupreme4671 Religions and beliefs from the Bronze Age ARE the issue!
William Lane Craig = baloney
It HAS to be 6,000+ years because there MUST be a direct genealogical link 🔗 from Adam our first parent who fell TO Jesus Christ, the "last Adam" who did NOT fall & did "fulfill ALL Righteousness", reversing Adams curse, and thus saving "ALL who call upon the name of the LORD".
I have the amazing "Adams Chart of Synchronological History" that makes the entire timeline of History visual...it's 23 feet long folded out.
Dr Craig is sadly & HIGHLY misinformed here.
You’re right, that is a point that a lot of these new age “Christians” are forgetting when they deny scripture. Jesus had to be linked to Adam, He had to be God and He had to be man for the sacrifice to work. When people deny that Adam was a real person, it causes some major theological issues and it raises doubt about scripture
@@FreddyZierau-zv8qxit isn't new age Christians. Creationist geologists discovered the earth is very old 200 years ago while looking for evidence of the flood.
One thing I struggle with now, as someone who was a staunch 6000 year old earth believer, is even the early church fathers were inconsistent with how old the earth is. Most never shared a believe it was 6000 years old and many who did talk in the subject belived it could be older. Even then, when there was no science like today, belived it’s possible that the earth is much older…. The young earth view unfortunately is something of a more modern belief, when you look at it through the entire history of theology from the early church fathers onward
It's an absurd idea, let it go...
@@roscius6204 in so confused, what are you saying to let go? Being a young Earther? If so I already did that
@@nicholasjankovic7395 sorry I thought you were still grappling with that idea..🙂
Even Ken Ham can’t debate this subject in a 30 second clip
Trust Yeshua and His word.Not mainstream science.
This so called christian goes with the flow then therefore he is of the world and not separate from the things of the world.
We are to be set apart and have a renewal of our minds so we don't fall into secular humanistic thinking.
Can't serve 2 masters.
They fall for the worldly view, not God's Word.
Yeah. They fall for the irrefutable evidence rather than what is written in an old book. How silly of them.
@@sidecarmisanthrope5927 No evidence for an old earth.
Why is it Christian to believe that the world is 5000 years old and non Christian to believe it’s older ? Bizarre !!
Surely you can be a Christian without having to believe the earth is only 6k years old? The universe is 13.5 billion years old and the earth around 4 billion
WLC is a pretty smart guy and he’s done an admirable job of harmonizing biblical history with the scientific consensus. He also keeps the theological significance of the text in the forefront rather than a hyper literal interpretation. That said both his and hamm’s views points are within orthodoxy that is to say it’s a family discussion no one’s salvation is predicated on which model of historical science they land on.
Exactly, we need more unity in the Body of Believers, not division over secondary issues.
Both affirm Sola Scriptura, the oneness of God, the deity and atoning work of Jesus, the regeneration of the Holy Spirit, and salvation by grace through faith.
Let's bring these other issues about the age of the earth to the table of Christian brotherhood, disagree where we do, but we do so in love for our fellow Christians.
I agree, it’s been a long while since we’ve considered YEC to be the only sound theological view. It was a little bit of a stretch to suggest that WLC was implying that he holds that view BECAUSE it’s scientific.
He does so by throwing God's word under the bus
@@frogpasterespectfully, you can't afford Sola scriptura while saying the earth is billions of years old
@@americaskitchentable107 Sola Scriptura is the doctrine that the Bible is the sole infallible source of authority for Christian faith and practice. Sola Scriptura says nothing about _how_ to interpret and understand the text. For example, most Protestants practice grammatical-historical exegesis, but some practice Traditional, Allegorical, Rationalistic, etc.
No scientist says the world is 13.7 billion years old. That's the age of the universe. Earth - this world - started forming about 4.54 billion years ago.
Ikr? His understanding of science is on a chimp's level ... if said chimp had delusions of ruling the world.
Really I’d like to know how you know this. Please explain
@@georgemedrano4120 thanks for the question. We paid attention in both Sunday school and natural science classes. Would like to know how you don't know this? Please explain.
I wonder if his views on the birth of Christ or the resurrection of Christ are in line with “main Stream science”?
No he believes in the literal virgin birth and the literal resurrection. Those are core tenets of the faith. As Christians we should be spreading the Gospel. Not arguing over the age of the Earth. Satan would love to keep the Christian body divided and distracted over the age of the Earth as he leads the masses through the broad gate.
I would recommend you to read the Book : " the chase of Christ " from Lee Strobel. He was an atheist when he did research on this subject
@@idi8874have you ever googled Lee strobel debunked?...just to see the other side of the story?
Yeah they are
@@idi8874 Actually, that account has been proven fraudulent by many different people. Lee Strobel is a con-artist and a huckster.
In his own book: Inside the Mind of Unchurched Harry and Mary: How to Reach Friends and Family Who Avoid God and the Church he tells a different story. One in which his parents encouraged his belief in god, where he was in a lutheran church regularly.
He also talks about his own ethics in this book: My attitude was ethics were fine to discuss in journalism school, but they shouldn’t get in the way of getting a good story.
When he research and wrote Case For Christ, he was actually a pastor at a mega church, one where the leader got nailed for sexual impropriety.
Nearly everything in that book is an error, an outright lie, or a misprepresentation of the facts.
No serious scholar in the associated fields takes his work seriously and are able to point out serious flaws.
So, yeah, don't use that book as evidence of anything. It's just a waste of money. Read the books that refute it if you want an actual education.
The universe is actually about 13.7 billion years old, while the Earth is about 4.5 billion years old. But at least he’s on the right track.
Craig is thick. The world/earth is approx. 4.5 billion years old, the universe is approx. 13.5 billion years old
You sir seem to be a bit thick yourself, because he answered the question how old is the world, not how old is the earth. Have a nice day.
according to the oxford dictionary the "World" is defined as "the earth, together with all of its countries, peoples, and natural features."@@lukecresswell1395
And how in the world are you able to test that nonsense?! Your zillions of years wand has no powers here.
@@lukecresswell1395 Earth is a world. The universe is full of worlds.
Another problem here: Craig, he says, is merely "going with the flow" of "secular" scientists in believing the scientific account? That's misleading at best. Craig is agreeing with _Christian_ scientists, such as myself and innumerable others, not because he or we are "going with the flow," but because we are all drawing a rational and reasonable picture of cossmology that is fully consistent with Scripture.
did God Jesus create man in his image? do you believe you evolved from pond scum? how do you you reconcile the genealogies given in the bible from Jesus to Adam which clearly shows a period of around 4000 years. if you deny the genealogy then you cannot call yourself a scientist
Where in scripture does it say the world is billions of years old
@@mxrider4764Where does it say the Earth is round
@@worldnotworldIsaiah 40:22
@@mxrider47642 Peter 3:8 actually
You are both nutty professors. 😂😂
Wow how are so many people are missing the point? WE DON'T KNOW HOW OLD THE EARTH IS AND IT DOESN'T MATTER, WHAT MATTERS IS WHAT JESUS DID FOR US!
Yes Yes Yes
WLC is a treasure all believers and nonbelievers alike could learn a thing or two from.
Just never about science. He misunderstands it to his benefit
Craig is thick. The world/earth is approx. 4.5 billion years old, the universe is approx. 13.5 billion years old
Man learns. God teaches. End of discussion.
Actually, just the beginning of discussion
All hail Odin and his teachings.
@@fp6889 You can hail a demon all you want, but he won't heal the broken hearted, nor give redemption, nor stop the Ego-Saxon empire from it death under the Anti-Christ. Odin is nothing, Christ is Life.
@@Robusquet Is there a reason that you believe in Jesus without evidence but without evidence don't believe in the GOD Odin?
Imitate the life of saint Padre Pio, and do it with Odin's help. Good luck.@@fp6889
A real Christian doesn't guide himself by what science says, because his guide should be the word of God above all. We can't be half Christians. God wants us all in. It's just simply the way it is.
Thank you AIG for standing on God's Word.
Causing division within the body of Christ over non-essential and un-provable derived doctrines is not standing on God's Word.
Learn your church history: Old earth creationism did not begin as a moral compromise for evolutionary biology. Gap theory and other 'gap-like' theories existed as prominent interpretations of Genesis 1 long before the modern flood geology of AiG.
Want to test your faith in a meaningful way? Start a white-paper study of old-earth interpretations of Genesis 1. You can come away with your own conclusions, but I think you'll find that it isn't the threat to Biblical authority that Ken Ham wants you to think it is.
By the way, you'll also find that understanding Genesis with an old-earth worldview does not 'broaden' or 'open' your mind; in fact, it narrows it. To understand Genesis in an old-earth light is to understand the singular purpose of the Book (Hint: NOT an astronomy book!).
Ken Ham sets up old-earth creationism as a gateway drug to atheistic evolution, and that it only ever existed in that context of compromise.
That's a load of bull. Old-earth creationism was a predominantly-held view in the church long before this flood-geology young earth stuff was even a consideration.
...yes, Isaac Newton was young-earth. But not because of flood geology and mostly for since-refuted reasons that even modern day young-earthers don't accept.
Christianity is not under fire from the likes of Craig, Lennox, Turek and Ross who do not buy the 'my way or the highway' line that Ken Ham uses.
It's a real shame...the more I hear from this man and his militant crusade against orthodox thought, the less credibility he has in my eyes. He should not be wasting his time putting down other believers.
Do you even know anything about your bible ? Sheeeesh…
His arguments are right in line with mainstream science because science is slowly uncovering God's signature everywhere. He, and we, literally beat science to the punch. Why pick a stupid fight with a fellow brother, brother?
Amen
Craig is thick. The world/earth is approx. 4.5 billion years old, the universe is approx. 13.5 billion years old
@@DrMontague That would be the current scientific theory.
@@MikeHammer1 Craig doesn't know current scientific theory, he's a waste of space and that's a scientific fact!
I dont agree that science is uncovering anything that implies God.
If you are of the type that simply modifies your God story every time there's a new discovery , you can't be reasoned with.
Many blessings on Mr. Ken Ham and the groups with which he works.
Mr Craig is mistaken. I pray he'll come to see the truth & take the narrow path.
He really isn't though is he
Next time you wonder why people laugh at fundamentalists just remember it's because you believe really stupid things
@@johnchambers9836 what do you believe in?
@@johnchambers9836so what do you believe?
@@johnchambers9836we don’t care about the options of people who say we are wrong yet cant tell us anything about what we believe. You are on that list along with William, this is why we just laugh when he talks and he runs from debating the subject.
I have a feeling that in some christian circles agreeing with science is taking the narrow path.
A day with the Lord is a thousand years, and a thousand years as a day. Time is of the Father.
No where in the Bible
Does it say a day is 1000 years
@@Christian_counsel 2 Peter ch3 vs 8-9
Psalm 84:10 says it. But we have to look at context to determine the meaning.
Too many Christians will take a verse and run will it instead of looking at the whole chapter and executing proper Hermeneutics.
@@ToworshipHIMilive1 like a symbiotic relationship between 2 countries, ex; Chinese language has been the oldest written language still to today, so why change something that has worked for over 5000 years. Isn't it better to speak a language fluently before speaking it at all? The Chinese language could be the language of God.
@@soldier7332 context
noun
con·text ˈkän-ˌtekst
Synonyms of context
1
: the parts of a discourse that surround a word or passage and can throw light on its meaning
2
: the interrelated conditions in which something exists or occurs : ENVIRONMENT, SETTING
the historical context of the war
"My insanity is SUPERIOR to Craig's insanity, because I said so. Let MY imaginary friend be true, but every other man's imaginary friend a liar." Hilarious.
The big bang theory has been disproven by the James Webb telescope
@@moneyheist_- Your own delusion disproves itself. Thanks for no proof of your assertion.
@@pauls.6360 go read what a physicist by the name michio kaku said about the big bang theory being False.
It's this sort of comment that makes Ken Ham's remarks so sad. Dragging down another believer in public like this is NOT sane, but it's not comparable to either man's belief in Christ, which is perfectly sane.
@@moneyheist_-Please cite your source for this claim.
William Lane Craig was interviewed by Lee Strobel for one of his books. It strengthened my faith in God. I grew up in a young earth church and school but it always troubled me. I know the Bible to be God's word. I also know the the scientific evidence for the age of the earth and universe is overwhelming. It is hopelessly naive to think it is only 6000 years old. Through a number of ministries I was able to reconcile my questions. God's word (bible) and his world (creation) are compatible.
I’m shocked to see Craig taking this position
That's not all he believes. He also believes that Adam and Eve were not the first humans but descended from humanoids. Adam was not created from the dust of the ground and Eve was not created from Adam's rib. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil and the tree of life were magical trees. There's more.
It's not a new position for him. He has said publicy that he is embarrased by 'young earth creationists.'
@@denniscrumbley8274 Adam & Eve might have been 'a different type of human' because Adam died at the age of 930 years. Eve gave birth to more than 30 sons & 30 daughters (some SUPERWOMAN!). The life span of the early men in scriptures (the Bible & even the Quran) is stated as very long (they lived to the age of more than 900 years), for eg, Noah died at the age of 950 years. But men's lifespan gradually decreased from Abraham to Moses (120 years old), maybe due to evolution? Could men had evolved from apes (the type of ape with a long lifespan & with soul & spirit)? Was earth really created in 6 days (as stated in scriptures), or is the '6 days' just symbolic?
@@RosalindToh I agree Eve was a "super woman", 😆. However, Adam and Eve were not a different "type of human". God created Adam from something that He previously created, the earth. Eve was also created from something previously created, Adam's rib. Everything else in existence was created from nothing solely by God speaking everything into existence. Everything was created in 6 24 hour days. The Hebrew word for a 24 hour day is "yod". That is the word used in Genesis. "Yod" is also used to in the Old Testament to mean a time era as in, "the day of Moses", or what we might say today, "back in the day". But almost always it means a 24 hour day. If "yod" means a 24 hour day in most of the Old Testament, why would it mean millions of years in Genesis chapter one? That is linguistically and hermeneuticaly illogical.
I'm very well acquainted with the Old Testament and how long people lived. The reason for the decreasing ages of people is due to sin which lead to God's curse and causes the physical nature of humans to degrade as everything degrades.
Evolution is nothing more than an unprovable theory.
@@denniscrumbley8274 Maybe the decreasing lifespan of humans is also due to the fact that the world population is so much higher in numbers now compared to that of the time of Adam, Eve, Seth, Noah etc. When earth was scarcely populated, God made humans with longer lifespan & higher fertility (eg, Eve's ability to give birth to more than 60 children)! As the population increased, lifespan decreased to help control the numbers, & lifespan alao decreases due to man's unhealthy lifestyle of consuming cancer-causing food, unhealthy diet, lack of exercise & obesity?
When scripture contradicts the physical reality, but you continue accepting the scripture as being factual... congratulations : you suffer from Cognitive Dissonance
One could easily reverse the positions of the viewpoints in that statement (or not), and, depending on which one he gives more credence to, whether spiritual or material, seem to himself to be just as correct either way.
Nonetheless, scripture and what science (currently) regards as the physical reality do not actually conflict over this matter. The controversy is actually unnecessary. If I may illustrate...
Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
Fine.
1:2 "And the earth was formless and void..." and covered with water.
Alright.
Many of my Christian siblings say that God created the heavens and the earth in 7 days. I examine scripture to see if that is actually what it says:
1:3 "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
So the first day encompassed what?
It encompassed the existence of light (on earth) and a division of that light between day and night which defined the first day itself.
Did that first day involve the creation of the earth (globe) itself?
No. The earth was already in place before the first day. What the first day did involve was a step of preparation of the earth for life (as we now know it) to exist on it.
Then when _was_ the earth created?
It was creating _in the beginning_, as stated in 1:1.
Then, when was "the beginning"?
Some undefined period of time prior to the first day in which God began preparing the earth for life (as we now know it).
@@mytwocents777Yes, they do! … and not only in Genesis…
He's actually using what ALL scientists agree upon. There is NO debate in the scientific community.
Just like mainstream, if you disagree with the narrative you're cancelled.....same has been happening in mainstream science for about 100 years!
Astrophysicist Dr. Jason Lisle would disagree.
@@ryankelly9032 Astrophysicist Dr. Jason LIsle would be sadly mistaken.
@@RussClarkRocks I find him quite credible.
@@RussClarkRocks Even if he were mistaken, he disagrees so you can't say ALL scientists agree...
There is no reason to believe that the 7 days of creation are seven 24 hours days, considering the 7th day has lasted thousands of years.
There is no reason to believe you know what you're talking about.
@@auh2o148 explain?
One delusional christian calling out another rather less delusional christian😂😂😂
Delusional how?
Oh look an insufferable atheist
@@elusive4072YHWH's existence
@@elusive4072you don't know who any of them are, right?
Anyway, this is hilarious.
Gods word is always right.
In order to be a christian leader, all you need is a fifth grade education in religion and nothing more than that
So that means you're not qualified.
@chadsorensen4379 I'm sure he is more than capable. Just keep up with your play ground insults.
@@kerrykellett8717Ok, Bozo.
We must not manipulate the word of God. Praying for him 🙏🤍🕊️
Either position takes faith.
No, only an magical god needs "faith"
He gave the age of the universe not the age of the world.
“Right in line with main stream science”. Spoken like a true atheist
Come join us and get rid of your cognitive dissonance that is trying to square ancient texts with reality.
@@paulschlachter4313Define reality without using google
Nearly everything AiG claims about science is not mentioned in Scripture - it is a derivation from their interpretation, but if you disagree with anything, you are a compromiser. Thus, they hold their interpretations at the same level as Scripture.
@@hazmat5118as far as I can tell there are archeological findings that don't approve evolution. Also every procedure taking place in living organisms (biology) show that there is an intelligence that created and organized everything, no explosion like the big beng. And also nature laws like in physics, chemistry, all of that show that evolution doesn't make sense.
And of course, the bible provides some explanation to some findings , but also, science has some arguments that approve the bible more than the evolutionary theory
@@idi8874 I agree with some of the above but Ken Ham wants everyone else to accept all of his & AiGs opinions on these topics as if they are Scripture. He calls out people who disagree as compromisers, even other YECs. But none of it is found in the Bible, or would have been known by the original audiences of Genesis. It is a finding of modern science.
Using the benefits of science (Internet, computer, etc.) to dismiss science always gets a chuckle out of me.
Mr. Ham, thank you so much, & God bless you. Because of you I as well as millions of others have the means to understand and teach our children that the Bible is not a fairytale. It is and has been my greatest wish to bring my grandchildren to the ark. Hopefully we will have the opportunity to visit this year God willing. Thank you for fighting the good fight on the road less traveled wile so many others just take the broad road.
Please, PLEASE, PLEASE!!!! do not indoctrinate your grandchildren into fundamental christianity. The “road less travelled” is less travelled because it goes nowhere, except to a big “mind closed” sign.
Beware of adults with an imaginary friend.
So where did we come from? how do you know?
@@johnwillyard9857 exactly.
@@johnwillyard9857that's his Point. We don't know.... religious people really need to get back to faith... because that's what religion is.. it's not factual or proven. It's taken on faith.. you can't make a logical or factual argument that earth is 4000-6000 years old.. but you could say I take it on faith with out proff even in the face of factual evidence
@johnwillyard9857 evolution based on scientific study.
Now go prove the invisible Sky daddy!
@@dr.mund0339what factual evidence, specifically, do you base your beliefs that show the world to not be less than 6.5k years old?
Except that book IS man’s word.
Nope God's word. Power of the Holy Spirit working within the prophets, apostles, kings ect...
@@user-fs3hs4xb6c what, each time it got edited? Every single edit to that book right back to the council of Nicaea, who omitted huge chunks of text and even entire gospels….. all sanctioned directly by god and definitely not politically motivated changes?
That’s funny. You would have thought an omnipotent being would have gotten it right first time 🤔
Is the Quran written by god? What about the Torah? Or are they works of man? Or are they works of god that have been messed with by man? And if that’s the case then how do you know the same wasn’t done to the bible, since the Torah predates it.
If you engaged your brain for just a single second you’d see just how flawed the logic of these dogmatic, monotheistic religions really is. There may very well be a creative force in this universe but it’s certainly not the pumped up, vengeful and frankly petty being known as Yahweh.
@@Dr.Bong_ Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap- Galations 6:7
You're mocking the very God who spoke you into existence, who's keeping your heart beating this very moment ,who's very name is written in your DNA.
@@Dr.Bong_ Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away (Matthew 24:35). The Bible has not been changed to a point where God's word is changed. His words will never pass away.
@@Dr.Bong_ Torah is literally the first five books in the Bible. Non messianic Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah.
What some of us should read is "the earth was without form and void." It means it existed before the creation of earth as we know it today. Simply, it was restructured from its original form.
What we see now is probably 6000 years old. What it was before we don't know.
Amen brother !
Thank you Mr Ham!!! The earth is only 6,000 years old. The years can be added together starting with the genealogy from Adam to Jacob then adding events to get 4,000 years between creation and beginning of the new testament.
So scientists are wrong? If you truly believe that and you think gods word (written by men not actually god) is correct then prove me wrong the world is only 6500 years old other than preaching from a bible
@@matthewbestwick1579Look at archaeological finds, both of the animal and human kinds, plant life, 13.7 billion years and we still have muscle tissue with DNA. Trees don't show 13.7 billions years of ring growth.
@@matthewbestwick1579Maybe I can help. What qoestions do you have ? (I ,aybe dont know all subjects, but i do know biology, so I could explain you some scientific things from this domain)
@@matthewbestwick1579 If you need proof buddy, you will be sorry. You'll get your proof that God's word given to righteous men to write His word, and prophecies, will all come to pass, and you will see Him with your own eyes, but only if you are still here at the end. No one is promised tomorrow, so if I were you, I would stop scoffing, and demanding proof, because you'll get exactly what you asked for, but it will all be a lie. Walk by faith, and not by sight, and fear God before it's too late for your eternal soul. You don't get a do over!!
@@matthewbestwick1579can't for sure say why the universe was created mature,as was Adam,Eve,and all plants and animals in the begining.but that aside, how would you theorize water got to earth, was it before the earth got an atmosphere or after?
NO ONE estimates the world to be 13.7 billion years old. That would be the universe.
You could argue that this js the age od matter so earth is build of 13.7 years old matter so it have 13.7 milion years :p
Bilion*
"How old is the world?"
"Best estimates today are around 13.7 billion years or so."
Huh??
Yeah… The universe is but earth is just over 4 billion years old.
Just remember this is one of the guys who thought God perfectly sculpted a banana to fit in a human being's hand
Dudes like this only make religion look bad.
As an Australian. I am embarresed by you.
Man's word got us to the moon, god's word couldn't even describe illness.
A Day With God Is Like A Thousand Years a thousand years is like a day❤❤❤
As Adam's age was day one in creation time but he was 30, so i believe this earth's age is around millions years old, but only thousands years in time of creation
The issue with old earth is that the flood disrupts all scientific consistency. You can’t actually tell how old the earth is by layers
When you say, I don’t think means you don’t know. Period
This man is full of himself. Someone told him he was smart and he believed them.
This is the reason they say the pyramids were built after the last ice age instead of before.
My experiences from 'covid' alone taught me to never trust 'science' again! Although I was a young earther before than anyway!
I'm a Christian and stauch Catholic but I will not sit down and accept to be told the world is just 6000 years old, when there's archeological evidence being way older than that
Man's word over God's Word?? No thank you!!!
God never told me anything.
I go with the science.
How long the earth exists we don’t know. But humanity exists for 6500-10000 years.
What most people don’t see is that most scholars are by default drawn to be atheist because everyone else is.
I have seen many great secular scientists and professors speak out on the peer pressure they have due to this. Science is not always facts, sometimes it’s their subjective conclusions bleeding out into their beliefs.
He isn't the only one. There is currently, amongst church scholars and researchers, an active debate over old earth vs. young earth belief.
Watch out for him! I am always watching out for new WLC book releases and podcast appearances! 😊
Instead of arguing about the age of the Earth we should be sharing the gospel of Christ and loving our neighbor as brother.
I never hear these guys ever talk about how long a day might have been for God during the creation. A day could have been an Age, millions or billions of years, no one knows, each side would rather entrench themselves and just shout that the other side is wrong and never consider that maybe both can be true. The ultimate Hubris of Man is thinking they deserve to know everything.
Watch out for the Christian leader who tried to destroy sister ministries and called it "Godly".
They are competing for the same pot of gold.
@@roscius6204 No, it isn't that - their organizations are very different with not much overlap. I find it rich that a man who has done much to dissuade many from ever trusting him should publish videos specifically warning us not to trust other Christian leaders.
@@itsamindgame9198 Seems to me that they are trying to win over the same demographic. Gullible Christians who fall for grifters.... and most importantly those who will support them financially.
Man's word is wrong.... Guy thinks dinosaurs dont exist.
Nobody challenged him on the fact that he gave the age of the universe, not the world.
Because it would just be a different 'zillions of years' answer.