Believe me, the show is much better than what you saw here. It's like an animated Torchwood, for children. In fact, the crossover would have been a better fit in the Alien Force era.
Loved the Secret Saturdays and it was this crossover that made me go back and finish it when it first dropped. …looking back though yeah not a great crossover all things considered
Thank you for having me on! It was great to come and explain some lore and even my own thoughts, as I love this show deeply and highly recommend everyone to give it a watch if they can!🧡 Also pardon about the birds, but as a bird mother I can't ignore the existences of my children.
Your perspective was very cool to see. Your knowledge about The Secret Saturdays was really insightful, and you bounced off Kuro very well It was quite entertaining and I hope to see you on the channel again sometime, cheers
Secret Saturdays is such an underrated classic. It's such a great callback to the pulpy adventure stories like Johnny Quest. I also really appreciate how it introduced so a bunch of kids to cryptids most of us never heard of, as well as Sumerian mythology. Argost was also such an awesome villain, and Corey Burton knocks it out of the park. This line from him is epic: "Would anyone go to the circus without secretly hoping the lions would eat somebody?"
When I first saw the ads (The Weird World fakeout ones), my 12 year old self was a bit intrigued. But once the true ads started airing, I was instantly hooked. And a large part of that is definitely with the Johnny Quest, similarity.😊 Also, almost every line from Argost was quite iconic. But that line is indeed up there. Such a suave, charismatic personality. Which is merely a facade, masking a bloodthirsty beast.
if I had a nickel for every time a Corey Burton villain in Ben 10 got defeated/killed by Feedback, I would have two nickels, which isn’t much but it’s weird that it happened in two episodes back-to-back in production order also I love that this episode features Corey Burton and Dwight Schultz as bickering supervillains, when they played similar roles in Avengers Assemble (Dracula and Attuma) a few months later
Was not expecting the Crystal crossover, always love when there's guest on a breakdown. But I never knew this crossover existed till years after Omniverse ended, I was just looking at the Ben 10 Wiki and found the page for the characters and just fell down the rabbit.
I had watched a few episodes of the TSS growing up, but I started rewatching it when I was watching a Ben 10 facts video and they brought up the crossover. I bought some of the episodes and I was like "Damn, this is amazing!"
@@bearerofbadnews1375 Cause older women can be attractive to younger men, vice versa is also true. It's actually quite common and is also a very famous trope used by many forms of media.
Argost is, in the grand scheme of cartoons, an underrated villain. "Dear lady, would anyone ever visit the circus if they didn't secretly hope to see the lions eat somebody?" He doesn't get to fully shine in this crossover, though. Mainly because he's got a new monster body and is more of a physical threat than an intellectual one like he usually is.
@@axelnilsson5124 It could just a being who resembles a cyptid. A lot of Ben’s aliens resemble either Earth animals or mythical creatures. Like how Shocksquash was mistaken for Bigfoot. I think there’s also types of werewolves in Secret Saturdays.
43:45 "So you need an alien who can channel energy? I think I know just the guy." "Chromastone?!" As priceless as Kuro's statement was, we really needed more Chromastone in Omniverse.
The Secret Saturdays was an underrated cartoon. A unique premise, unique art style and music, creatures galore and best of all, charming characters and good writing overall. Truly a gem buried in the sand.
The thing about this episode is that it was a bit too casual for a crossover,it feels just like a regular omniverse episode not like a crossover or anything so I am not suprised that some people never knew they had their own show ,heck I used to watch the secret Saturdays when I was young and when I reached this episode I was just confused to “what the fuck are they doing here ?since when they were here ?isn’t the show supposed to be over ?”
I legit forgot about the Secret Saturdays thought it was a fever dream. Weird how they canonically exist in the same universe. Wish more shows share the same universe instead going all multiversal of madness nowadays
I’m pretty sure it’s all but said out loud that gravity falls, owl house and Amphibia exist in the same universe…and don’t get me started on the collective universe that is Disney channel live action which extends outwards like a web…all connected to one stupid hospital
A lot of shows and movies that has crossovers has them exist in the same universe like the MCU, DCEU, the classic universal monsters, even various Nickelodeon crossovers in fact it’s easier to find crossovers where both shows or movies exist in the same universe than crossovers that utilizes the multiverse. Heroes United is probably the first crossover that uses the multiverse and I’ve barely seen any other do that aside from the MCUs Multiverse Saga
I agree but as Kuro said himself, it’s really difficult trying to connect two fundamentally different worlds together without causing too many questions
Originally Generator Rex was also supposed to be part of the same universe, but the writers weren't able to make it work with the Ben 10 sequel shows, so it stayed separate. They *did* combine them in the reboot, though.
Ehh..... Marvel and DC are both complete and utter messes world-building/lore wise precisely BECAUSE all their superheroes share the same universe, and that's even before getting into their multiverse nonsense.
That InkTank intro was a more respectful homage to the Secret Saturday’s than the entire episode was. One thing I’m surprised that was not mentioned is the lack of Doyle in this crossover, has wasn’t originally apart of the main cast but eventually did become a main cast member(due to him being Drew’s long lost brother and former apprentice of her ex boyfriend Van Rook, who did get a mention in the breakdown), like throughout this entire crossover I’m sitting there wondering where is he, he wasn’t even mentioned in the actual crossover itself which would’ve at least been nice to know that they didn’t just forget his existence(the man is literally the reason that everyone found out that Zak is Kur because Doyle rebuilt the Kur detection relic, after Fisk originally destroyed, it and was going off with Zak being discovered as actually being Kur). At first I thought that since the writer worked on 1 episode of the Secret Saturday’s that maybe the episode they wrote happened before Doyle’s backstory was revealed, nope! It was afterwards(though in their defense, Doyle wasn’t in that episode)! I know I sound a little unhinged about 1 character not showing up in a crossover event, but if you e seen Doyle in the show you could imagine how funny it actually would’ve been if he was in the crossover cause we’re talking about a bounty hunter having to work with a plumber(Rook) and that alone opens up for some hilarity, not to mention he’d probably be more willing to smack Ben for being weird about Drew then Zak is so ben probably would’ve knocked it off a lot quicker
I actually did bring up Doyle behind the scenes! I was sad he didn't appear, given he's my second favourite character. My guess is when people google TSS stuff, he's not often on the main posters, and it takes a while before he's really blending into the family. So they most likely wanted that core group seen through most of the series.
So the secret saturdays was a genuinely giant show in Turkey, and I might just be hallucinating but I SWEAR we had ads about the crossover in Turkey. Mostly because I know I watched this episode and I had dropped Ben 10 at this point so I wouldn't have a reason to watch it otherwise. But yeah to answer the question a lot of people I know and I have watched Secret Saturdays
Funny thing, my first Saturday experience was during the Harem Cameo of momma saturday and then i saw this episode and understand why she was even there. Seems the writters reached their fanfic arc or the delayed advertisement was supossed to be a season later the episode was released xD
The Blue Tiger had good luck powers although it was bad luck for Zak do to his powers. Also it's cool that Zak is a reincarnation of freaking Kur. Him being the reincarnation of what is basically a cryptid God could be why he still has his powers
why do some writers do that in different shows? add implied paedophilia drew is probably in her late 30s and ben is only 16 reminds me of clyde's unhealthy obsession with lori loud from the loud house
14:05 Magic did originally exist in Ben 10, in the og show. But then it got retconned in Alien Force/Ultimate Alien I like to think it does exist, but typically gets explained as "Alien powers" sometimes
Never watched the secret Saturdays but I looked up the Jersey Devil and it's a white goat man with wings and a pointed tail. No mane either. So unless there's a red one, who knows. The hooves kind of reminds me of a minotaur and the mane reminds me of a manticore.
I watched the Secret Saturdays a bit when I was younger. But completely re-binged it in preparation for this episode. I absolutely loved it, and though I thought the crossover was fine, I much prefer the original depictions of the Saturdays. The original had a very 80s adventure cartoon aesthetic, and I love that about it. I also find it really cool how both shows were always meant to be in the same world, and I am disappointed they never revisited them. Also, I do actually remember seeing a promo for this episode. I don't think it was for this episode specifically, I think it was clips from two or three new episodes at the time, and the crossover was heavily featured. I also remember them never mentioning that it was a crossover. At that time I hadn't thought about the original show in years, and my exact thoughts were, "Those guys are back?"
Yeah this episode should have let the Saturdays show off their skills and abilities more, like having them fight off the frankin-cryptids from the air ship or having them do more than just be comic relief
I think the problem with this is that that Ben 10 Omniverse aired after Stuart Snyder's departure from the network so which means that it was less advertisement on action shows more geared towards comedy shows
@@pedrogabrielduarte4544 yeah because during the time Christiana Miller took over as president of Cartoon Network and she ushered in an age of Comedy where a lot of action shows started to get canceled and disappear she started bringing in more comedy shows
You know, with Ben 10 covering aliens and Secret Saturdays covering Cryptids, it kinda makes me think about what if they had made more shows in this universe that cover other supernatural beings? Like, one that covered ghosts, one built around magic, etc. Would probably require a lot of planning between creators to make it work, but I think it would have been neat to see
I remember watching a episode before I discovered Ben 10 and when this aired I was just “who tf are these people?” Before I remembered the episode I watched
Huh. I've thought for a while that I need to go back and watch Secret Saturdays, but now, hearing Crystal talk about it made me really want to watch it. I'll have to make that a priority.
The Secret Saturdays show is underrated like Generator Rex. I love how the Ben 10 franchise had crossovers with both shows to shine light on their potential respectively. See, that's why Ben 10 will always be a part of me: it's a show with limitless ambition 💚
I would LOVE seeing Kuro react to the secret Saturdays. I don't expect full breakdowns, but it might be interesting to see him react to something he hasn't seen before but still has that cartoon network feel. Looking back, the two original shows felt similar enough that I assume Man of Action made them both.
They should have done a Juniper Lee crossover too. It had a Sasquatch girl as a main character, had a whole universe of magical creatures hidden from normal human society, and fits the Ben 10 formula of all old people being total badasses. The idea of Grampa Max having a history with June's grandma would be too good to waste. It would all fit well into this shared universe
@@8LiterallyJustTheNumber8 That would be so amazing. I know Juniper is insanely strong but it would still be funny seeing her throwing around Humougosaur like a ragdoll.
It would be so cool to see. Obviously it would have to be done roadtrip style like in OS since June isn't allowed to leave Orchid Bay, but it would have been one of the coolest crossovers. Fighting big guys like Humongosaur would look so natural for her and it would have been cool to see where she was at a few years after her show ended
@@8LiterallyJustTheNumber8 but derrick j wyatt is dead the ben 10 franchise is only going back by comics and cartoon network wants to hide the life and times of juniper lee's existence what should and they do?
@@pedrogabrielduarte4544 Derrick J Wyatt isn't the only person capable of making Ben 10 though? Before him it was Dwayne McDuffie, and before him it was the entire Man of Action team. As for Juniper Lee, she's definitely made cameos in CN Legacy events like Crossover Nexus, and the beloved comic book writer and cartoonist who created her, Judd Winick still clearly has a lot of love for the character. Now will we ever get a Juniper Lee TV series again? Maybe not. But a continuation of those characters within the much more popular Ben 10 franchise would be totally doable. Given that June's creator is a comic book writer himself (creator of Batman's former Robin, Red Hood), I'd say the likelihood of her returning in Ben 10 is more likely now than it was when I first posted the comment, since Ben 10 is now continuing in the comicbook medium.
i actually have to admit, i completely forgot that this episode existed, i watched all of the secret saturdays, many years ago and i remember enjoying it (im talking MANY years now) but yeah i remember watching this episode and just groaning at how much nothing there was
The only reason there would have been no promotion of the episode would be that they were planning to have the Secret Saturdays be recurring cast members but then they never come up again in the series. Would have been nice to have that happen from time to time.
23:30 I never thought that Argost was a yeti wearing a mask, but was I the only person who didn't think he was a human when watching the original show? And he didn't look that much different without his mask than he did with it. 30:27 Fun fact, Black Monday is the episode that Zak Monday and the other Mondays debut. You know, one of the most important characters for the climax of Secret Saturdays. 33:43 According to the TV Tropes page, Argost's mask prevents Kur's powers from working on him. *Edit:* It just occurred to me that this is the second time Ben's had a crossover and both times it was with someone whose primary color is orange!
i still think it was a missed opportunity for the writers not to include grandpa max in this episode would have been nice to see him interact with the saturdays particularly dok saturday
43:04 totally agree This crossover won't SHOW the real essence of The Secret Saturdays. 44:09 Although remember that in the first episode they escaped from some LANTERN FROGS, but this episode is the worst treatment to the Saturdays who are much more intelligent and capable of facing this. 47:38 Exactly, Zak has a history and development in the original series. This crossover doesn't do it any justice but it was nice that they remembered once again. It's one of my favorite series and it deserves another chance.
i assume Animo revived Argaust because he knows lots of secret cryptid locations or whatever. and while the headbands are cool i think he found out the hard way that they're not effective because they can be hacked. so it sorta makes sense
2:26 I remember distinctively seeing that commercial just only one time before the episode aired. I must’ve been one of the lucky few to have witnessed it 😭😂
Fun fact; A version of Bigfoot actually not only appeared in Secret Saturdays, they showed a clip of him fighting Doc in this video. It's just that the show refers to him exclusively by a name used by the Cherokee; Tsul 'Kalu.
I think the nanites were dormant, since the Omnitrix's failsafe protocols prevent the micro-machines from tampering with Ben's fragile DNA, but over time, they eventually developed a connection. In my headcanon, I think the Omnitrix was regulating the Nanites in order to carry out its intended function(i.e. heal cells, regenerate tissues, strengthen muscles, etc.)
43:48 I mean to be fair Chromastone has never displayed the ability to absorb energy which isn't exposed while Feedback has so he can't really help here
This video was unexpected, I was hoping for a video like this, even though I never watched the secret Saturdays, so this video was a good lore dump, not in a bad way, love the crossover between Kuro and Crystal, hope to see more in future
Can I just say, I always love whenever Kuro has a guest for the breakdowns. Not that he isn't great on his own, and yeah there's sometime more riffing than analyzing, but I find it interesting to see the different view points on certain aspects, and the riffing does make for good entertainment. I was laughing a lot watching it.
I watched The Secret Saturdays while it was airing, and I loved every minute of it. I was excited when I heard there was a crossover with Ben 10. Then I watched the episode... I thought it was garbage. Next to nothing was true about things the characters said, Ben simping over Drew, the Saturday's suit looking like Captain Nemesis from UAF, and how nothing ever came from it. Heroes United at least left it open for more.
suits make more sense than normal clothes, imagine if Doc actually wore a suit instead of regular clothes, he would not have gotten the scar on his eye in that fight
"The U.S is the main market of ben 10" Asia and Latin America: we are a joke to you? Ben 10 was just another show of the bunch in the states in Asia and Latin America Ben 10 was big as fuck like dragon ball in mexico
You're correct. Ben 10 was much, much bigger internationally. But it was conceptualized and marketed towards the US, which unfortunately, it wasn't as big in.
I loved this episode and remembered this episode clearly because of the Kickin Hawk fight. This soldified him as being my favourite alien, which is a weird choice to some.
Late to the party but this is a great intro! I waited to watch because I only just finished watching the Secret Saturdays on my watch through, after only having watched this episode. I get that this spoils all of TSS, but I think it being a bad pitch to get new TSS viewers actually worked to my benefit, since I'd completely forgotten any spoilers by the time I actually came around to watching (other than Zak being Kur) One thing you touched on briefly is Zak's intelligence and relation to Argost. He's such a great protagonist, and his wrestling with fate is one of the only instances I think that type of dark side arc works. After watching season 2 (or 3? It's broken up weird like UA), it makes me wish Ben and Vilgax had any where near that depth. First he's just a cackling villain who makes good TV, then when Zak is revealed to be Kur, suddenly the power V.V. has been seeking to manipulate this whole time is Zak, and he pivots his plans. Suddenly Zak is his reluctant understudy using his knowledge. It's great As you say Corey Burton was THE voice actor to bring back. Argost is so camp and theatrical. And it completely works since he got to know humanity through horror b-movies in the Himalayas. He's just like those 1950s villains. CN at this time hated action shows in general, so it doesn't surprise me this got buried.
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I remember watching The Secret Saturdays every Saturday Morning i was so upset when it ended.
🧐can you make a video on why ripjaws is stronger than people think 🙏
Believe me, the show is much better than what you saw here. It's like an animated Torchwood, for children.
In fact, the crossover would have been a better fit in the Alien Force era.
Loved the Secret Saturdays and it was this crossover that made me go back and finish it when it first dropped. …looking back though yeah not a great crossover all things considered
That Secret Saturdays intro homage is EVERYTHING
Agreed
Now I wish he did that with the Heroes United special
When Argost folds his wings into a cloak, it reminds me how Goliath, and other characters do it in Gargoyles.
nice
Also kind of feels like when Big Chill or Batman does it
I wish that The secret saturdays continued, I really liked the show.
I loved it as a kid.
Same here
Perhaps, but honestly it has a great ending that tied up pretty much all the loose strings.
Which weird family would you want to be part of? The Saturdays or the Addams Family?
Season 2 was rushed a bit but ending good
"Ben's in a constant state of bloodlust". (Thinks back to how he did the DNAliens)
Yeah, I distinctly remember just watching this episode with no ads playing or whatever, and then randomly goin "OH SHIT THE SECRET SATURDAYS?!??!?!"
Ben was a straight up menace with Drew 🤣🤣 great collab episode and great collab breakdown!
Everytime they were on screen together I died a little inside lol
God my only complaint with this episode was drew redesign cause she looks to much like a teenager
Gotta respect the milf hunter hustle
@@rubytrix0 yeah it's definitely a downgrade. Something about her original look was just a perfect dish, and they messed with it too much
@MagillanicaLouM I know right
Also, if I had a dollar, for every time Kuro changed his office locations.
It's so the government can't track me.
@@TheInkTank hehehe
@@TheInkTankwhat did u do?
@@sarfarazgaming121 If I told you, I'd have to send you to the Null Void.
@@TheInkTank ok then
Thank you for having me on! It was great to come and explain some lore and even my own thoughts, as I love this show deeply and highly recommend everyone to give it a watch if they can!🧡
Also pardon about the birds, but as a bird mother I can't ignore the existences of my children.
Your perspective was very cool to see. Your knowledge about The Secret Saturdays was really insightful, and you bounced off Kuro very well
It was quite entertaining and I hope to see you on the channel again sometime, cheers
The birds added to the experience
Ben: “We might need Misses Saturday’s (BIRDCHIRP NOISES!)” 😏
Zack: “DUDE, THAT’S STILL MY MOM!..” 😰
As a kid, I always just thought the show was gonna come back. Took me like 3 years to realize that it was unceremoniously done.
Same, I missed so many episodes of season 2 because of how mismanaged releases were
Me with Ben 10
I remember thinking it would just like Ninjago
@@appleseed8282 There was a season 2? Dang it was so messy I had no idea.
@@Merilirem Yeah
It was even gonna be 3 seasons at one point, but the original Season 2 got cut and replaced with a timeskip.
Secret Saturdays is such an underrated classic. It's such a great callback to the pulpy adventure stories like Johnny Quest. I also really appreciate how it introduced so a bunch of kids to cryptids most of us never heard of, as well as Sumerian mythology. Argost was also such an awesome villain, and Corey Burton knocks it out of the park. This line from him is epic: "Would anyone go to the circus without secretly hoping the lions would eat somebody?"
When I first saw the ads (The Weird World fakeout ones), my 12 year old self was a bit intrigued.
But once the true ads started airing, I was instantly hooked.
And a large part of that is definitely with the Johnny Quest, similarity.😊
Also, almost every line from Argost was quite iconic.
But that line is indeed up there.
Such a suave, charismatic personality.
Which is merely a facade, masking a bloodthirsty beast.
“Megatooth sharkskin! And so stylish!” is a line that will never leave my brain.
The Saturdays working with the plumbers at some point could explain why they have the more High Tech suits here
Boy, would Beemer's (I think that was his name) face be red if he met the Plumbers.
Fun fact: here in brazil Zack's voice stayed the same, they kept the same voice actor that voices him in the Saturdays cartoon
For the dub in Mexico, all the voices from the original cartoon came back.
The thing that remember the most about the crossover was Ben simping for Mrs. Saturday....
*I mean, I don't blame him, of course*
@InevitableOption-ic2vx I loved it up, and holy fuck it's a real term. That's hilarious
It takes one episode 😔
I remember it for making it canon that Feedback can absorb life energy, one of my favorite aliens becomes even more OP and that's good to see
I don't blame ben too.
@InevitableOption-ic2vxoh WOW😂
Nah those birds got a good point tho. I think I heard one say "BUY MERCH!"
One screams for merch, the other screams for murder
2:10 : ... in the US, which is Ben 10's main market place.
Latin America: Oh, I don't think so.
CROMATICO
Like Max Steel
I've only seen one latam comment section on a ben 10 short on this site a few months back but yeah, it definitely supported this lol
And asia??? Iran need to do some bootleg movie
The secret Saturdays was super underrated and the fact that they share a universe was awesome
if I had a nickel for every time a Corey Burton villain in Ben 10 got defeated/killed by Feedback, I would have two nickels, which isn’t much but it’s weird that it happened in two episodes back-to-back in production order
also I love that this episode features Corey Burton and Dwight Schultz as bickering supervillains, when they played similar roles in Avengers Assemble (Dracula and Attuma) a few months later
Now we need a Gen. Rex Secret Saturdays crossover no Ben except for a brief "Oh we both know this one guy!"
The triple trouble.
That'd be peak.
37:20 argos: you couldn't give me a full yetty body but were able to make 17 minions
Was not expecting the Crystal crossover, always love when there's guest on a breakdown.
But I never knew this crossover existed till years after Omniverse ended, I was just looking at the Ben 10 Wiki and found the page for the characters and just fell down the rabbit.
I had watched a few episodes of the TSS growing up, but I started rewatching it when I was watching a Ben 10 facts video and they brought up the crossover. I bought some of the episodes and I was like "Damn, this is amazing!"
" Dude. that's my mom. "
Ben broke the bro code.
Ben crushing on Zack's Mom is funny actually
Ben: Hello.
Zack: Dude, that's my mom.
😂
Zack’s Mom has got it going on
He’s me fr
Oh god why? This and persona 3 reload what’s with young characters simping for older women?
@@bearerofbadnews1375 Cause older women can be attractive to younger men, vice versa is also true. It's actually quite common and is also a very famous trope used by many forms of media.
@@bearerofbadnews1375better than the other way around i guess
Now we also need a Danny Phantom, a Generator Rex AND a Secret Saturdays breakdown
Argost is, in the grand scheme of cartoons, an underrated villain. "Dear lady, would anyone ever visit the circus if they didn't secretly hope to see the lions eat somebody?" He doesn't get to fully shine in this crossover, though. Mainly because he's got a new monster body and is more of a physical threat than an intellectual one like he usually is.
Grandpa Max also mentioned he and Kai’s grandpa returned a Yeti to its home dimension back in their Plumber days in the OG series.
Makes it sound like cryptids are interdimensional in the context of Classic
@@axelnilsson5124 It could just a being who resembles a cyptid. A lot of Ben’s aliens resemble either Earth animals or mythical creatures. Like how Shocksquash was mistaken for Bigfoot. I think there’s also types of werewolves in Secret Saturdays.
I like how different hosts give different information such as the VAs or lore and such makes me kind of wish the same thing happened in Heroes United
We bring in some interesting point of views and debates on the topic haha
The thumbnail wasn't loading so I expected it to be the OK KO Crossover Nexus, which also features a Ben Tennyson and also got sabotaged.
History repeats itself!
Sabotaged how?
@@KracklinDark CN cut off the budget in half then removed some of the scenes after the production was finished
@@KracklinDark he literally explained it in the video itself
Y'know, in some alternate reality we got 5YL with American Dragon and Secret Saturdays
16:40
Looking at Zac's mom, I totally agree with ben. Meeting her "is the good". Oh my celestial Sapien, she's stunning
43:45 "So you need an alien who can channel energy? I think I know just the guy." "Chromastone?!"
As priceless as Kuro's statement was, we really needed more Chromastone in Omniverse.
The Secret Saturdays was an underrated cartoon. A unique premise, unique art style and music, creatures galore and best of all, charming characters and good writing overall. Truly a gem buried in the sand.
The thing about this episode is that it was a bit too casual for a crossover,it feels just like a regular omniverse episode not like a crossover or anything so I am not suprised that some people never knew they had their own show ,heck I used to watch the secret Saturdays when I was young and when I reached this episode I was just confused to “what the fuck are they doing here ?since when they were here ?isn’t the show supposed to be over ?”
whats worse is that the secret saturdays is a show that most people dont even remember or knew it existed in the first place
I wold have sold my left arm and an EMP Generator for a Ben 10 Omniverse/Transformers Animated crossover.
Rip to Derrick J Wyatt who gave both shows their iconic looks.
You have an EMP Generator?
You have a left arm?
@@GreaterGrievobeast55you don't?
Fun fact! In the spanish (mexico) dub, the entire cast of dub actors returned for their respective characters!
"Que chido"
I legit forgot about the Secret Saturdays thought it was a fever dream.
Weird how they canonically exist in the same universe.
Wish more shows share the same universe instead going all multiversal of madness nowadays
I’m pretty sure it’s all but said out loud that gravity falls, owl house and Amphibia exist in the same universe…and don’t get me started on the collective universe that is Disney channel live action which extends outwards like a web…all connected to one stupid hospital
A lot of shows and movies that has crossovers has them exist in the same universe like the MCU, DCEU, the classic universal monsters, even various Nickelodeon crossovers in fact it’s easier to find crossovers where both shows or movies exist in the same universe than crossovers that utilizes the multiverse. Heroes United is probably the first crossover that uses the multiverse and I’ve barely seen any other do that aside from the MCUs Multiverse Saga
I agree but as Kuro said himself, it’s really difficult trying to connect two fundamentally different worlds together without causing too many questions
Originally Generator Rex was also supposed to be part of the same universe, but the writers weren't able to make it work with the Ben 10 sequel shows, so it stayed separate. They *did* combine them in the reboot, though.
Ehh..... Marvel and DC are both complete and utter messes world-building/lore wise precisely BECAUSE all their superheroes share the same universe, and that's even before getting into their multiverse nonsense.
That InkTank intro was a more respectful homage to the Secret Saturday’s than the entire episode was. One thing I’m surprised that was not mentioned is the lack of Doyle in this crossover, has wasn’t originally apart of the main cast but eventually did become a main cast member(due to him being Drew’s long lost brother and former apprentice of her ex boyfriend Van Rook, who did get a mention in the breakdown), like throughout this entire crossover I’m sitting there wondering where is he, he wasn’t even mentioned in the actual crossover itself which would’ve at least been nice to know that they didn’t just forget his existence(the man is literally the reason that everyone found out that Zak is Kur because Doyle rebuilt the Kur detection relic, after Fisk originally destroyed, it and was going off with Zak being discovered as actually being Kur). At first I thought that since the writer worked on 1 episode of the Secret Saturday’s that maybe the episode they wrote happened before Doyle’s backstory was revealed, nope! It was afterwards(though in their defense, Doyle wasn’t in that episode)! I know I sound a little unhinged about 1 character not showing up in a crossover event, but if you e seen Doyle in the show you could imagine how funny it actually would’ve been if he was in the crossover cause we’re talking about a bounty hunter having to work with a plumber(Rook) and that alone opens up for some hilarity, not to mention he’d probably be more willing to smack Ben for being weird about Drew then Zak is so ben probably would’ve knocked it off a lot quicker
I actually did bring up Doyle behind the scenes! I was sad he didn't appear, given he's my second favourite character. My guess is when people google TSS stuff, he's not often on the main posters, and it takes a while before he's really blending into the family. So they most likely wanted that core group seen through most of the series.
that first line's a huge stretch ngl
So the secret saturdays was a genuinely giant show in Turkey, and I might just be hallucinating but I SWEAR we had ads about the crossover in Turkey. Mostly because I know I watched this episode and I had dropped Ben 10 at this point so I wouldn't have a reason to watch it otherwise.
But yeah to answer the question a lot of people I know and I have watched Secret Saturdays
I think this episode really shows how Derrick J Wyatt's redesigns were hit and miss lol
I love how you're putting a picture of a parrot every time her's starts squawking lol.
It’s like a Vanossgaming video
@@axelnilsson5124Exactly
I just noticed that the metal "stomach" of Argost kinda looks like the plate of NRG's face where he shoots radiation 😂
I love how Corey Burton plays both Malware and Argost, 2 characters with a robot voice filters and makes them sound so different
Fun Fact: Vanessa Marshall was also the voice of Irwin in the Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy
17:26 Ok I did not see that moment coming LOL
I do found interesting how the second they gave Zach's mom Gwen's ponytail and instantly Ben's character became the fanbase
Funny thing, my first Saturday experience was during the Harem Cameo of momma saturday and then i saw this episode and understand why she was even there. Seems the writters reached their fanfic arc or the delayed advertisement was supossed to be a season later the episode was released xD
The Blue Tiger had good luck powers although it was bad luck for Zak do to his powers. Also it's cool that Zak is a reincarnation of freaking Kur. Him being the reincarnation of what is basically a cryptid God could be why he still has his powers
Ben simping over Drew
Zak: Dude, that's my mom.
Ben: AND?
"DID I STUTTER?"
"We are not related bro"
why do some writers do that in different shows? add implied paedophilia drew is probably in her late 30s and ben is only 16 reminds me of clyde's unhealthy obsession with lori loud from the loud house
@@temidayobello1311they probably think it’s funnier than it really is
@@axelnilsson5124 your probably right dude
14:05 Magic did originally exist in Ben 10, in the og show. But then it got retconned in Alien Force/Ultimate Alien
I like to think it does exist, but typically gets explained as "Alien powers" sometimes
Y3ah...one of the leaders of the staff has a thing for biology
Never watched the secret Saturdays but I looked up the Jersey Devil and it's a white goat man with wings and a pointed tail. No mane either. So unless there's a red one, who knows.
The hooves kind of reminds me of a minotaur and the mane reminds me of a manticore.
33:26 As a Marshall arts person I can agree with the kicking hawk statmemt
I watched the Secret Saturdays a bit when I was younger. But completely re-binged it in preparation for this episode. I absolutely loved it, and though I thought the crossover was fine, I much prefer the original depictions of the Saturdays. The original had a very 80s adventure cartoon aesthetic, and I love that about it. I also find it really cool how both shows were always meant to be in the same world, and I am disappointed they never revisited them.
Also, I do actually remember seeing a promo for this episode. I don't think it was for this episode specifically, I think it was clips from two or three new episodes at the time, and the crossover was heavily featured. I also remember them never mentioning that it was a crossover. At that time I hadn't thought about the original show in years, and my exact thoughts were, "Those guys are back?"
Yeah this episode should have let the Saturdays show off their skills and abilities more, like having them fight off the frankin-cryptids from the air ship or having them do more than just be comic relief
I think the problem with this is that that Ben 10 Omniverse aired after Stuart Snyder's departure from the network so which means that it was less advertisement on action shows more geared towards comedy shows
Hold on: this is true?!
@@pedrogabrielduarte4544 yeah because during the time Christiana Miller took over as president of Cartoon Network and she ushered in an age of Comedy where a lot of action shows started to get canceled and disappear she started bringing in more comedy shows
@@johnny2x47oh yeah, like the network tended to shift towards slice of life/comedy shows at that point.
You know, with Ben 10 covering aliens and Secret Saturdays covering Cryptids, it kinda makes me think about what if they had made more shows in this universe that cover other supernatural beings? Like, one that covered ghosts, one built around magic, etc. Would probably require a lot of planning between creators to make it work, but I think it would have been neat to see
43:08 the immense Ben 10 blue-balling I felt by not hearing the full de-tranformation sound effect from Omniverse
This was only 3 years after the secret Saturdays finished? Wth, my timeline is all fucked up
I remember watching a episode before I discovered Ben 10 and when this aired I was just “who tf are these people?” Before I remembered the episode I watched
I hope Kuro reviews/watches ''The Secret Saturdays'' when he is done with Ben 10. V.V Argost was the most entertaining/terrifying villain of the show
Maybe. But I would definitely put Piecemeal somewhere.
And welcome back Kuro with the breakdowns, Kuro. And good morning/good night everyone.
Huh. I've thought for a while that I need to go back and watch Secret Saturdays, but now, hearing Crystal talk about it made me really want to watch it. I'll have to make that a priority.
The Secret Saturdays show is underrated like Generator Rex. I love how the Ben 10 franchise had crossovers with both shows to shine light on their potential respectively. See, that's why Ben 10 will always be a part of me: it's a show with limitless ambition 💚
I did in fact watch Secret Saturdays and watching this reminded me I had the Cryptid analyzer shown at 11:48 which unlocked a memory XDDD
I would LOVE seeing Kuro react to the secret Saturdays. I don't expect full breakdowns, but it might be interesting to see him react to something he hasn't seen before but still has that cartoon network feel. Looking back, the two original shows felt similar enough that I assume Man of Action made them both.
They should have done a Juniper Lee crossover too. It had a Sasquatch girl as a main character, had a whole universe of magical creatures hidden from normal human society, and fits the Ben 10 formula of all old people being total badasses. The idea of Grampa Max having a history with June's grandma would be too good to waste. It would all fit well into this shared universe
Just imagine Juniper Lee punching Humongosaur in the face! Ben would be shook
@@8LiterallyJustTheNumber8 That would be so amazing. I know Juniper is insanely strong but it would still be funny seeing her throwing around Humougosaur like a ragdoll.
It would be so cool to see. Obviously it would have to be done roadtrip style like in OS since June isn't allowed to leave Orchid Bay, but it would have been one of the coolest crossovers. Fighting big guys like Humongosaur would look so natural for her and it would have been cool to see where she was at a few years after her show ended
@@8LiterallyJustTheNumber8 but derrick j wyatt is dead the ben 10 franchise is only going back by comics and cartoon network wants to hide the life and times of juniper lee's existence what should and they do?
@@pedrogabrielduarte4544 Derrick J Wyatt isn't the only person capable of making Ben 10 though? Before him it was Dwayne McDuffie, and before him it was the entire Man of Action team. As for Juniper Lee, she's definitely made cameos in CN Legacy events like Crossover Nexus, and the beloved comic book writer and cartoonist who created her, Judd Winick still clearly has a lot of love for the character. Now will we ever get a Juniper Lee TV series again? Maybe not. But a continuation of those characters within the much more popular Ben 10 franchise would be totally doable. Given that June's creator is a comic book writer himself (creator of Batman's former Robin, Red Hood), I'd say the likelihood of her returning in Ben 10 is more likely now than it was when I first posted the comment, since Ben 10 is now continuing in the comicbook medium.
i actually have to admit, i completely forgot that this episode existed, i watched all of the secret saturdays, many years ago and i remember enjoying it (im talking MANY years now) but yeah i remember watching this episode and just groaning at how much nothing there was
Zak saying that his claw turns him into trouble goes hard. He was cooking with that one.
At 13:33 she mentions the lermurians. There is another show called the deep where they try to find lermuria
The only reason there would have been no promotion of the episode would be that they were planning to have the Secret Saturdays be recurring cast members but then they never come up again in the series. Would have been nice to have that happen from time to time.
23:30 I never thought that Argost was a yeti wearing a mask, but was I the only person who didn't think he was a human when watching the original show? And he didn't look that much different without his mask than he did with it.
30:27 Fun fact, Black Monday is the episode that Zak Monday and the other Mondays debut. You know, one of the most important characters for the climax of Secret Saturdays.
33:43 According to the TV Tropes page, Argost's mask prevents Kur's powers from working on him.
*Edit:* It just occurred to me that this is the second time Ben's had a crossover and both times it was with someone whose primary color is orange!
The TV tropes thing isn't really canon, Argost implies that Zak could have controlled him if he knew he was a cryptid
I was really expecting a Secret Saturdays reboot after this crossover. It just made sense.
i still think it was a missed opportunity for the writers not to include grandpa max in this episode would have been nice to see him interact with the saturdays particularly dok saturday
10:33 Drew (Zak’s mom) does come back in a later episode though. (Unvoiced, unfortunately)
It was the dating show one, yes?
@@TheEagleWithNoNameYes
Yes! TGIS gets a full breakdown!
43:04 totally agree
This crossover won't SHOW the real essence of The Secret Saturdays.
44:09
Although remember that in the first episode they escaped from some LANTERN FROGS, but this episode is the worst treatment to the Saturdays who are much more intelligent and capable of facing this.
47:38
Exactly, Zak has a history and development in the original series. This crossover doesn't do it any justice but it was nice that they remembered once again. It's one of my favorite series and it deserves another chance.
i assume Animo revived Argaust because he knows lots of secret cryptid locations or whatever. and while the headbands are cool i think he found out the hard way that they're not effective because they can be hacked. so it sorta makes sense
What makes it even worse is that these arent even the same secret saturdays since they died when the universe reset
Oh yeah, I forgot about the universe reset affecting them.
Perfect excuse for why they're worse here then. Ben accidentally messed them up in the universal recreation! They're the grape smoothie flavor!
@@jacobcrumpton4643 actually ben recreated the universe perfectly besides the smoothies as a sorta punishment for himself
@tfordham13 No not perfectly because even the Mr. smoothy sign was different.
@ethansanchez6267 he did that as a reminder to himself he failed also there other reality wrappers
If Animo got multiple yetis, he could've just made Argost a full yeti, then made a bunch of mutants.
Animo just made him a chimera for no reason and I love it
4:13 so that's what crystal looks like. Pleasure to meet you.
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2:26 I remember distinctively seeing that commercial just only one time before the episode aired. I must’ve been one of the lucky few to have witnessed it 😭😂
Fun fact; A version of Bigfoot actually not only appeared in Secret Saturdays, they showed a clip of him fighting Doc in this video. It's just that the show refers to him exclusively by a name used by the Cherokee; Tsul 'Kalu.
this channel is the only reason I know the Secret Saturdays was a crossover and not new characters from Ben 10, lol
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Thanks Crystal for the much needed lore and context😅
Happy to provide 💙
@@crystalmoon101 Would defo love to see more Collabs in the future
I never heard of the Secret Saturdays until this episode, which is weird because it aired when I was a kid
Same though I watched one episode and completely forgot about it even as I watched this episode
gotta thank this video for making me binge watch secret saturdays and making me have a new cartoon to love and enjoy thank you so much!
Wow, just a casual 50 minute ben ten breakdown, with no warning.
I loved having her insight on the secret Saturdays as even though I grew up with the show, I hardly remember anything from it
45:10 Didn't ben end up getting nanites in him in Heroes United? Is he just gonna end up collecting the powers of everyone he crosses over with? 😂
I think the nanites were dormant, since the Omnitrix's failsafe protocols prevent the micro-machines from tampering with Ben's fragile DNA, but over time, they eventually developed a connection.
In my headcanon, I think the Omnitrix was regulating the Nanites in order to carry out its intended function(i.e. heal cells, regenerate tissues, strengthen muscles, etc.)
Ben is like Thanos, gonna collab and then collect the powers and add them to his arsenal
Funny how both crossovers Ben Prime has gone through have Shocksquatch on them
Four Arms too
39:49 missed opportunity for Ben to use Spidermonkey, we could have gotten a spider vs spider fight
43:48 I mean to be fair Chromastone has never displayed the ability to absorb energy which isn't exposed while Feedback has so he can't really help here
This video was unexpected, I was hoping for a video like this, even though I never watched the secret Saturdays, so this video was a good lore dump, not in a bad way, love the crossover between Kuro and Crystal, hope to see more in future
Thank you! I'd love to do future lore videos one day, but for now this breakdown was a delight to do 💙
@@crystalmoon101 you're welcome, from your work helping the Ink Tank, I cant wait to see you in future videos
@@UthmaanXDFireI can't wait too!
Can I just say, I always love whenever Kuro has a guest for the breakdowns. Not that he isn't great on his own, and yeah there's sometime more riffing than analyzing, but I find it interesting to see the different view points on certain aspects, and the riffing does make for good entertainment. I was laughing a lot watching it.
I watched The Secret Saturdays while it was airing, and I loved every minute of it. I was excited when I heard there was a crossover with Ben 10. Then I watched the episode... I thought it was garbage. Next to nothing was true about things the characters said, Ben simping over Drew, the Saturday's suit looking like Captain Nemesis from UAF, and how nothing ever came from it. Heroes United at least left it open for more.
I know the pain
suits make more sense than normal clothes, imagine if Doc actually wore a suit instead of regular clothes, he would not have gotten the scar on his eye in that fight
This makes me wish The Secret Saturdays were on DVD or Blu-Ray because now I wish I can rewatch it all 🧡🖤
"The U.S is the main market of ben 10"
Asia and Latin America: we are a joke to you?
Ben 10 was just another show of the bunch in the states
in Asia and Latin America Ben 10 was big as fuck like dragon ball in mexico
You're correct. Ben 10 was much, much bigger internationally. But it was conceptualized and marketed towards the US, which unfortunately, it wasn't as big in.
I loved this episode and remembered this episode clearly because of the Kickin Hawk fight. This soldified him as being my favourite alien, which is a weird choice to some.
Late to the party but this is a great intro! I waited to watch because I only just finished watching the Secret Saturdays on my watch through, after only having watched this episode.
I get that this spoils all of TSS, but I think it being a bad pitch to get new TSS viewers actually worked to my benefit, since I'd completely forgotten any spoilers by the time I actually came around to watching (other than Zak being Kur)
One thing you touched on briefly is Zak's intelligence and relation to Argost. He's such a great protagonist, and his wrestling with fate is one of the only instances I think that type of dark side arc works. After watching season 2 (or 3? It's broken up weird like UA), it makes me wish Ben and Vilgax had any where near that depth. First he's just a cackling villain who makes good TV, then when Zak is revealed to be Kur, suddenly the power V.V. has been seeking to manipulate this whole time is Zak, and he pivots his plans. Suddenly Zak is his reluctant understudy using his knowledge. It's great
As you say Corey Burton was THE voice actor to bring back. Argost is so camp and theatrical. And it completely works since he got to know humanity through horror b-movies in the Himalayas. He's just like those 1950s villains.
CN at this time hated action shows in general, so it doesn't surprise me this got buried.
9:53 There's a hole in the wall, where the boys can see it all. Ben 10.
I actually don't mind Omniverse Manya. He looks cool. I actually have a fan made alien drawing based on him called Arattacknid.
it also explains why he looks even less humanoid, the mutation or whatever that was is corrupting him still