Here's What a Pro Racing Driver Thinks of the Brand-New 2024 Ford Mustang Dark Horse on the Track!
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2023
- ( www.alltfl.com/) Check out our new spot to find ALL our content, from news to videos and our podcasts! We've checked out the 2024 Ford Mustang in great detail, but what about the most hardcore Dark Horse? Pro racing driver Paul Gerrard gives his thoughts on Ford's 500-horsepower S650 Mustang in this track review at Charlotte Motor Speedway!
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"Not the stiffest thing I've ever felt" jokes incoming
Love when Paul reviews sports cars.
So do we
Love the name, love the manual and the actual drift brake.
For the price it comes to with most of the Darkhorse options I would go buy a low mileage GT350 before their prices skyrocket. I don't care for all the extra tech in the Darkhorse and I don't like the dash screen.
Thanks Paul for the driving and review.
Great to see a Pro driving this machine. TFL is fortunate to have Paul as a resource. Thanks for this.
@maruiacancerc can you still drive a mustang tho?
A pro straight line driver? Lmao laughable
Pro? That looked absolutely terrible 😅
@@johnnygeorgopoulos4072 No joke. I would have pushed harder in my '01 GT.
This thing going to sound's like a beast with Corsa extreme and kooks header's ❤.
Great review! Always like seeing Paul on the channel.
Great review, Paul knocked it out of the park like he always does!!!!
The last muscle car. Well done Ford.
It’s a sports car
@@gbaby4rb64Modern Muscle car not a traditional muscle car
Pony car
@@jerzey22 a lot of ponies.
Hey l am a Corvette guy. $60k for a Mustang, nothing competes.
The last Mustang muscle car was the 2014.....no solid rear axle, not a real muscle car.
Great to see ya Paul!! True professional opinion appreciated!!
Excellent review. This car is beautiful!
I'm impressed that Ford an get 500hp out of, essentially, a naturally aspirated 302.
It's actually 307 since 2018. Ford did the plasma arc cylinder coating and didn't need the cylinder liners anymore.
Why not? It's a 5L V8! Lexus got almost 500 hp out of its 4L V8 too.
@@ytsux9259 what 4L is that? They've had a 4.6 with 380 horsepower and a 5.0 with about 472 horsepower but I don't recall a 4.0 V8.
The coyote is now the 3rd most powerful NA V8 following the ford voodoo and the z06 engine
@@twilightmedia8575 don't forget about the LS7.
Those dual throttle bodies make it look like a more difficult process to install aftermarket superchargers.
Not really but twin turbo would be sweet too 😂
Good to see Paul hope he makes more appearances
Absolute love these Paul track drives and reviews. Excellent job as always. Such great information provided
I have a '16 GT and have been considering a '24. Besides them being impossible to get, I'm not sure I would do a Dark Horse for a daily driver that I'm unlikely to use on a road course. I think putting the money toward a supercharger would be more useful, at least for my situation.
cant wait to get mine!!
So nice to see paul back 😊
Glad to see Paul back!
picking mine up tomorrow!! CANT WAIT!! Oxford White Track pack 700A with the Recaro Seats!
Sounds amazing too
Nice review.
So, he drove the full track version on the road and the road version on the track . . .
At least that's what was shown in the video. He was reviewing his driving experience of the small front wheels that he kept going on about on the track and complained about not having any feel. Then on the road with the track pack version, he was going on about how much he felt every last bit of the road. I guess it's safe to assume that he drove the track version on the track as well, but if not, there's the feel he was missing.
I only drove track pack versions
Yes!!!!! It’s Paul. Getting excited for some ‘Optimum Driving’.
Wish Camaro kept going with one last redesign. The chasis is way better for the track and overall fun light car.
Nice shot of Norwood NC 9:34
According to the Ford engineers, they removed a vibration damper from the steering linkage, which is supposed to help the steering feel more direct and/or provide more feedback.
doesn't seemed like it helped at all
@@patman4917 Oh well. Thanks for your response.
Most SUVs steering is better then Mustangs 😂
@@FATmenDRIVEtrucks That's cold 🙂
They still can’t get the hood to line up with the bumper!!
Bring back the the hot laps with Paul
Please!
At IMI Motorsports! ;-)
❤Thank you for sharing this beautiful car God bless you
I like the high revving GT350 much better before it got canceled.
I think all the warranty claims on that motor made it unprofitable.
Looks like a really solid first attempt at this new gen. With anniversary editions coming and other new models on the horizon, this next year should have some incredible options of Mustang lovers.
While I understand what the rear spoiler is used for, I’d like something more similar to what they gave the ‘03 cobra like a lip across the back. For looks I mean. Just my opinion.
Granny shifting, not double clutching like you should.....you're lucky that 100 shot of nos didn't blow the welds on the intake.
Don't forget to say nitrous how "They" said it Nauzzzz😆😁😂🤣😉
Those g numbers are impressive
I bet with those same size and same compound tires a soccer-mom minivan could get fairly close to them.
Based on what he said on track. With the magnaride its the opposite of the best of both worlds, actually being too soft on track and too stiff on road.
Does the infotainment system keep randomly turning on the radio like every previous generation of system?
How does the Dark Horse performance compares to the Camaro ZL1, SS1LE or the Mach l, or Shelby GT350R?
Someone else also mentioned the numb feel steering. I wonder what other cars are doing differently? I know it has electric power steering, but surprised they can’t tune it to provide realistic feel.
Many cars have good steering feel out of electric power steering, such as the Porsche Cayman, GR Supra, Civic Type R, Elantra N, most Ferraris, and many more.
Including the Camaro SS1LE
Beautiful Mustang and great review. Hoping some of the minor issues are ironed out before production.
How many revs does it drops when upshifting that manual gear box?
How it's the torque line?
Not only would I love to drive this bad boy but I would love to detail one of these for a show.
Tires getting squirmy after one hot lap tells me the car needs a diet. Maybe the Dark Horse R will be light enough to go more than one lap.
Great work.. you can get a GT and tune it well past 500hp.
Nice to see Paul tracking the Dark Horse.
Im on my 5th Camaro.
FORD this Mustang is perfection esp the overall design!
We are always being told communication is everything. Even on the track
For all the people saying it's not tunable. The ECU has already been officially cracked. Lund Racing has already said his tunes will be available in 10 months or less he's just waiting for the base tune from hp tuners who cracked the ECU in 3 short weeks after receiving the car. If you consider that whipple waters the tune down for ford it's going to be a monster because they already made 740whp with SC, headers, and 93 pump. Imagine what Lund will be able to do with SC, CAI, headers, and E85. Next couple years your going to see 800whp Dark Horse with a reliable build because all the extra cooling and forged internals ford put in from the factory. All the after market parts have already been built and are for sale we are just waiting on the tunes.
Let’s not forget that this “Race Horse” is more expensive than the GT350 or GT350R when they came out. Just let that sink in, and then tell me if it’s “worth its price”…
It’s because inflation. I won’t be surprised the next gt350 is gonna be $100k
Yes you’re correct, also included dealer markups!😮
And it weighs close to 4000 lbs with only 500 hp 😂
@@G0ddEityawesome it’s not because of inflation dude. It’s 100% because of Covid shut downs. if Covid never happened, and inflation stayed its normal rate, the dark horse would be in the high $40k range.
@@G0ddEityawesome Most of people need economic class. They don’t realize minimum wage almost doubled since then.
I want to see a track comparison with the darkhorse vs the 6th gen Camaro ss 1LE.
I'm thinking the camaro will still out perform it
Did anyone else wonder why someone had this guy test drive the regular Darkhorse= the red 1, with the 255mm fronts= not the full Track spec Darkhorse? I mean this was supposed to be a review of the track prowess, and he didn't get to test the more track focused Darkhorse? I would liked to have seen, and heard the former stigs opinions, of the differences, ride, handling, braking, and overall feel on the streets, vs track, of the 10 speed base 4cyl. Ecoboost, vs the regular spec. Mustang Gt 10 speed auto., vs the Highest track spec. Darkhorse, with manual trans.!
that's stock footage they provided that we used to supplement our own, I only drove track pack cars (booth Auto and Manual)
From what I gathered it still doesn't handle curves well,he was slow motion thru the curves
Loves to see a lap time between this m2, and c8 z51. All in the same price bracket
Probably destroys the M2 and loses slightly to the Z51.
@@The-fs5wn Probably NOT
@@The-fs5wnthe mach 1 was matching the Camaro SS 1LE’s times, so I dont think this dark horse will lose to the Z51 C8
@@The-fs5wnlol stop.
@@The-fs5wnDark Horse is almost 4000 lbs and initial tests show lower acceleration times reflecting the weight gain and low torque numbers. So unfortunately the new car is not faster than the old one, forget about the M2.
The red car Paul drove on the track was also a track pack version.
The only thing the Dark Horse is missing is a real tire option at least Michelin Pilot sport 4S like its contemporary and that would make this chassis + drivetrain shine
4S is not the only decent tyre out there. There are plenty of options now
Good video but the brakes cannot be from the GT500. GT500 were 16.5” fronts versus 15.4” in the Dark Horse.
Fun fact: the redline is indicated at 7500 but there's a soft limiter at 7300.
Not so fun fact 😔
are the rear seats still useless for an adult?
If i can get the supercharger package upgrade from ford installed for 700hp warrentied im good to go
I've been trying to get a Camaro 2SS 1LE for a long time but can't find a dealer with an allocation (Canada). But since it's going away in a few months, I'm at the point of giving up. I wasn't a fan of the previous gen Mustang, but the 2024 Dark Horse is intriguing as an alternative to the Camaro. Sadly though, it sounds like even the Dark Horse is still not quite on par with the 1LE on track.
Nothing a few modifications can’t fix. I had a 2020 1LE Camaro with the 10 speed and I would track it all the time. Had some bolt ons, suspension upgrade goodies, some Michelin track slicks, and some aero. Sadly it was plagued with so many issues/ problems. After the engine decided to take a shit at just 20,000 miles I ended up selling at at a huge loss and got a 2022 Mustang GT track pack also with the 10 speed. I did the same thing added some bolt ons, track slicks, suspension upgrades, some aero and I’m actually running a little bit faster track times then I did with my 1LE with pretty much the exact same upgrades. I’m not bashing on the Camaro I know it’s a solid car but I ended up getting one of the bad ones. But Mustangs are also great cars so far I have 50,000 miles with a lot of track days and drag racing days and I have had 0 issues. So I’m sure the dark horse is just as good if not better
@@Justaeuropeanmanthat is odd. Camaro ss 1le shouldn’t require any updates for track use and proven to be reliable. Also at 20,000 miles you are under warranty.
@@al151 I mean it’s a pretty good track car out the box but there’s always room for upgrades to better your track times and another thing once you throw some upgrades and tune the car it is automatically out of warranty
I would change the tyres for Michelin pilot sport 4S
A manual...500 hp....give me the keys...
You can have it. It weighs 4,000lbs, locked ECU with dual MAFs sensors, FNV platform for surveillance (bye privacy), cheap tacked on screen, and uglier redesign. Hard pass.
@@ClickbaitMotorsportsnot to mention dealer will ask 80k minimum
@@ClickbaitMotorsports 650hp Zl1 for the same price.
@@bob-qi4nr Exactly. The biggest hurdle to a ZL1 1LE is the allocation process. It's a superior vehicle in every single way...except visibility. Small price to pay.
@@ClickbaitMotorsports I got mine 2 months ago. No mark up. Had to go out of state. Black ZL1 1LE manual and with a PDR. Visibility? Mine has a camera in the rear view mirror.
Just wish they had put 4 piston brakes in the rear. The current setup which is the same as the current 2015-2023 brakes makes it look cheap.
Lol the Stigs "review " sounded like his nice way of saying the car is so so.
So cool
That dent in the fender wheel well is bugging the hell outta me lol I know its a press car but still. couldnt have shot from the others side?
I can't wait the see Shelby's version of this new Stang
Love these cars since I was a little boy here in Africa and saw probably the only one in Africa in the late 70's rip past me blowing me off my bike.
Hopefully before I die I will get to drive one. Bucket list stuff.
They have to make a Shelby if this is truly the last sports car😢
LOVE the rear part. The front makes me mistake it for a Camaro. I wish it had a flat crank. I dislike the wheels
Incredible job STIG... beautiful car, until you went inside. Those screens are embarrassing.
If you’re building a sports car you would think they could have put real steering feel it not a mini van
Curious as I dont have a car that does all the different modes would it hurt the car if say you just stayed in track mode on a long trip?
Not at all. I have made trips from Miami to Gatlinburg and change the mode multiple times during the long drive. On rougher roads, Track mode is a bit harsh (I have the mag shock option). Also, it will stay in 8th gear most of the time, and only occasionally shifts up to 10th gear. If I am just trying to stay above 25mpg, or quiet the exhaust down, I keep it in Normal/Quiet mode. Sport mode is a good compromise, especially in the mountains where it will keep you in a lower gear longer, and save your brakes. (2020 GT convertible with PP/magnetic dampers and 10 speed)
Oh, and to clarify, YES, I have gone over 300 miles nonstop in track mode. No issues, no overheating, no problems.
I do have a 2021 mustang but i have never driven it on the street only at track its a drag car so i wasnt sure if it would hurt it thanks for the answer keep the rubber side down shinny side up !
If I didnt have a kid I would have wanted one of these but cant complain with my 4Blackwing
3:41 he set himself up for that one 😂😂😂😂
What's the point. Any dealer that gets these is going to mark them up by such a margin that most of can't even consider buying one.
Serious question for Paul. Which one is better..
the Dark Horse OR the Camaro SS 1 LE ?
Camaro
@@chronodriver Paul, thanks for replying.
I pick the GT350 🤷♂️
@@JacesOwnWorld tried to buy one in 2018, Those had 15k Markup.
@@lamesamelame lots being sold in the $40k’s. Yes, they’re used, and have some miles on them, but this Dark Horse will be selling for well over $70k. Sorry, not worth it.
Idk why these manufacturers keep going with Pirelli tires, Michelin Pilot sport cup ll's should be standard on these hire performance models.
Gimme a Camaro ZL1 for that money. Better handling, more power and looks just as good if not better,
Perfect recipe for power from a high flowing DOHC. Chevrolet needs to de-stroke the LT6 to 305ci in a Camaro and kill the noise. Really
Brought to you in part by your local Ford dealer.
The last and hopefully best Mustang I'll own. 🤞
No 2025 gt500 reveil for the 60th? I hope so!
I can’t see one piece of this that justifies its price tag.
Awesome car? Sure!
Worth it dollar for dollar? No way!
The numb steering seems to be a common thread and the only true disappointing facet of the new Mustang.
Not just numb but completely dead. That and the 4000-lb weight!
And the also overboosted brakes, feel great on application but then too quickly into the ABS then hard to modulate and smoothly release
And the MT82 unless you get the darkhorse. Huge miss there.
@@hi-fi3889yeah lmao they cheaped out on the shifter 😂
Standard dark horse should not have a track packaged as a dd on especially for the price and not putting 305 as standard for that. Silly
I would buy a used 2019 Shelby GT350 with 581HP and just add the dual throttle body from the Dark Horse. You would be making over 610HP.
"If you're looking for something that can rip around the track..."" Honest question here: Where does one go to do this? For instance, I live in the huge Chicago area, and although I don't know any Ferrari or 911 owners, I do and have known lots of guys with performance cars and have never heard of someone taking their car to a racetrack. How much would it even cost to do that?
Autobahn County Club is the place to go near Chicago, all your detailed answers are a fun night of googling away, good luck
@@chronodriver Many thanks, Paul!
PCA, BMW, all have local chapters that do Drivers Education at local race tracks, arrive and drive, you progress with an instructor and then solo as you move up. I am a PCA national instructor, with all the clubs and groups you could drive every weekend.
@@racekar80 Thanks!
i love you FORD cars....
I understand there isn’t much feel from the wheel for a pro driver. For a regular driver I’m guessing you’ll feel it
Why is it so expensive though, cheap power is gone😭😭
This is $76k people 🙄 meanwhile base GT500 $80k so what are we doing Ford?
Why can they just delete the back seat and put a sound system. No one can’t really seat in the back there is no space for leg room and most people’s head hit the roof.
That ipad display isn't my bag, man.
3:40 that's what she said 😅
Eh. Its a really expensive mach 1.
Zero steering feedback....they need to fix this on the next mustang
2026 im getting a dark horse
I wish just one time that one of these drivers would make a couple of laps around the oval track and leave out the road course. I could careless about the curves and all that BS. I don’t know if a single regular guy like myself that races on a track. We fun from a dig in the quarter mile and top speed.