We owe a great deal to Prof. Jvala Singh for his remarkable research on Sikh literature and history. His in-depth study of the Sarbloh Granth has brought a much-needed clarity and insight into this wonderful text. Due to his efforts, we can better understand and appreciate the Granth's spiritual, cultural, and historical importance. An awesome podcast as always! ✨
Sincerely hope there will be more content from you two like this. Still blows my mind how much Sikhi there is that feels locked away for us western Sikhs. Shout out to Javala Singh. The way Guru Gobind Singh Ji plays with language and concepts relating to the Divine is so hard to understand, but you navigate it so well. Both of you keep plugging your stuff and let us know how we can contribute $. WjkkWjkf🙏
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In a recent katha by giani Sher Singh ji he mentions how baba santa Singh told him that harnam das udasi was originally a Nihang Singh who travelled all the way to places like Tibet, China, Arabia etc in order to learn the 52 languages that are said to be within sarbloh Granth and that essentially he would convert to the local religion in order to learn and than when he came back essentially a mona he put on udasi garb and finished his work on sarbloh, and that he was scared to go back to the Nihang Singh’s as essentially he wasn’t exactly a Singh anymore. Baba santa Singh invited him and paid him extremely handsomely for those times and that’s how the the only academic work we have on sarbloh Granth came about. So fascinating!
Thanks to Javala ji and Ramblings of a Sikh for doing a podcast on a such important yet unsung topic. I hope you guys make another podcast that dives deeper into Sri Sarbloh Granth 🙏🏼greatly appreciate your sewa ❤❤
Sant baba Jarnail Singh JI khalsa also refrenced Sri Sarbloh Granth in an interview, its a 45 min interview which can be found on youtube. Have you had a darshan of Sri Sarbloh Granth which is at Sri Hazoor Sahib?
Excellent episode. Thank you to the guest and host. I wonder what Jvala Singh thinks of the theory that the Sarbloh Granth may have at-least partially been composed by members of the Guru's Kavi Darbar.
Sarbloh Parkash granth sahib has more than 170+ Raags, 50+ languages, and countless chhandds . None other than ,Guru Gobind Singh ji themselves can write such great Baani!
And read Santa Singh's commentary on it, he himself admits that the raags used are out of place sometimes. Stanzas under the raag don't satisfy metre rules. Not at one place but many. And this is why only guru dokhis would call it Guru's rachna.
@@yilts9748 there are many shabads in sri guru granth sahib also that don’t satisfy metere rules. The next thing you people will say that guru Granth sahib is also kachi bani
@@user-yh7br7oo4z Guru Granth Sahib has proven chain of custody over the centuries. Sarabloh doesn't. Very important difference. Sarabloh is a recent imposition on the panth.
Thanks for this, my only criticism would be is not tackling why this text was removed head on as that sheds light onto the modern thought. Sri Sarbloh and Dasam Granth ji are being forgotten on purpose as they link sikhi to the greater sanatan culture its from. The concepts of Shiv and the devas being cowards etc are no different from certain hindu schools of philosophy and mythological tales and these have great deeper meanings. As a soldier myself, understanding these as martial texts makes all the difference as their teachings can be employed in a variety of difficult situations. These are amazing texts and without delving into them with an unbiased open mind and understanding of the culture they emerged from a true appreciation and understanding can never be reached. That cannot be done by many 'modern' separatist Sikh groups.....hence parts are picked out which they like and then others like 'Sri Maya Lakshmi ji ki sahai' are denied. This simply doesn't work.
Thank you for your feedback. I strive to be honest to the material. Your point about not addressing why the text was removed is well taken, as it sheds light on modern perspectives - this is something we will certainly include in part 2. The connection between Sri Sarbloh Granth, Sri Dasam Granth, and the broader culture is significant, and understanding these texts in their entirety is crucial for a comprehensive appreciation. Delving into these works with an unbiased and open mind, considering their cultural context, is essential for true understanding. I completely agree that selectively accepting parts while denying others, such as ‘Sri Maya Lakshmi ji ki sahai,’ does not provide an accurate representation.
I have a question as well. I've heard that Sarb Loh and Dasam Granth should be regarded as the shoulders while Aad Granth Sahib is the head. When was the depiction made of Maharaja Ranjit Singh in front of Dasam and Aad made and why wasn't Sarbloh also shown? Are there records or reason to believe that Sarb Loh Granth was raised in darbar along with the other two granths?
Sikhs are not into ooga booga Hinduism. In Dasam Saroop, Krishan and Shiva are killed by Khadag Singh. Dasam Paatshah took us away from all this BS. Stop trying to insert it back.
@@harijotkhalsa9496 The original Granth that was meant to be in the Darbar was a text called the Vidya Sagar. The Vidya Sagar had Ad, Dasam and Sarbloh Granth plus some more Bani, it was so big that it took several Singhs to move it. The original Vidya Sagar manuscript was lost after the location it was kept was attacked by the Mughals. Maharaj then decided to split the text up into 3 separate texts for easier transportation and safe keeping. This is the argument for why all 3 Granths should be on the darbar.
Sampooran Sri Sarbloh Granth Sahib - archive.org/details/sampooran-sri-sarbloh-granth-sahib Sunpuran Steek Sri Sarbloh Granth Sahib Ji - archive.org/details/SunpuranSteekSriSarblohGranthSahibJi English Translation of Sri Sarbloh Granth Sahib - manglacharan.com/
Can anyone please provide audio of complete Sarbloh paath , i cant find anywhere . I know there are many places where singhs do Paath of sri sarbloh , in these days its not hard to record on mobile and post on youtube
Is there any evidence that it was even written in guru gobind singh ji time? Is the original copy available or oldest copy available? Where is it? Has it been verified and authenticated? I dnt think so. Could you please translate for us dasam granth word by word especially bachitra natak thanks
We have discussed the different authors attributed to the Sarbloh Granth, the available manuscripts, their locations, and the process of verification. It’s clear that you’ve listened attentively to the discussion. As for translations, much of the Sri Dasam Granth, including Bachitra Natak, has already been translated and made available by various scholars.
Guru Ji is not making fun of Shiva, Vishnu etc when they run away, when the formless absolute truth takes a form such as this, they have devotees who make mistakes, because of these mistakes even Shiva, Vishnu etc endure this for the sake of their devotees mistakes. The absolute truth in form is easier to relate to and love and the end objective is to fall in love the absolute truth - jin prem kiya tin he prabh paya- Sargun and Nirgun are both god, it doesn't matter with which one you fall in love with. We are not a Abrahamic type of thought, our teachings contain all the ancient 6 schools of spiritual knowledge 6 gur 6 updes, all these do contradict each other but still take us home
Well done, lots of respect for Jvala. But the gods becoming scared and lessons from it are often shown in hindu mythology. Totally agree with this point. It's all intertwined and nothing wrong with that.
Agreed. I think it's good to consider 3 thing: -Aad Guru Granth both heaps praise on Lord Krishna in bhagat bani as well as Gurus themselves -Gurus also offer criticisms of the likes of Krishna -Gurus also put themselves as slaves, Guru Gobind Singh says 'nahi mo say gareeb...' and 'jo ham ko parmesar uchareh..' The lesson seems to me that anything, no matter how divine, that exists in the physical world is temporary. While there can be value in respecting such temporary divinity we must not be attached to it.
Guru Ji is making fun of Shiva absolutely. Guru Gobind Singh Ji in Dasam Saroop first calls Krishan an avatar of Vishnu, and then kills Krishna and Shiva at hands of a mythological character, Khadag Singh. It is Guru Sahib burying the Brahminism ooga booga and giving rise to a Khalsa away from way of the Brahmin. Nirgun and Sargun are gift of Bhagat Kabir Ji, he is the one who decodified the Akaal Purkh for us and Gurus took it forward. How do you people associate it with any Brahmin schools?
@@harijotkhalsa9496 Krishna and Shiva is literally killed in a battle scene described in Dasam Saroop. How do you people even place one bit of confidence in any of the Brahmin ooga booga? Have some shame.
That claim ignores historical evidence and the rich tradition surrounding these texts. Both the Sarbloh Granth and Dasam Granth have been studied and revered by scholars and Sikhs alike for centuries, with deep philosophical and spiritual content attributed to Guru Gobind Singh. Dismissing them outright oversimplifies a complex and important part of Sikh history.
@@EquatorMarsupial I didn’t say anything disrespectful…giani gian Singh is a great scholar however he had a major agenda in trying to legitimize the nirmla order through non existent and/or doctored history
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We owe a great deal to Prof. Jvala Singh for his remarkable research on Sikh literature and history. His in-depth study of the Sarbloh Granth has brought a much-needed clarity and insight into this wonderful text. Due to his efforts, we can better understand and appreciate the Granth's spiritual, cultural, and historical importance. An awesome podcast as always! ✨
Sidak, I find you everywhere 😂
@@coz4rt472 *complementary singh nod* ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹ ਜੀ॥ Always a delight to cross paths with a fellow Singh/Singhni 🌞
@@tamoguni 🙏🏽 it’s Sukhjinder btw 🗿
@@coz4rt472 crossed paths with sukhjinder online = day ruined
Jk
“If dasam is spicy then sarbloh is nandos xtra hot” 🤣🤣
Sincerely hope there will be more content from you two like this. Still blows my mind how much Sikhi there is that feels locked away for us western Sikhs. Shout out to Javala Singh. The way Guru Gobind Singh Ji plays with language and concepts relating to the Divine is so hard to understand, but you navigate it so well. Both of you keep plugging your stuff and let us know how we can contribute $. WjkkWjkf🙏
Wow, thank you so much for the incredibly generous Super Thank! 🙏 Your support means the world to me and helps keep this channel going. I’m so grateful to have amazing viewers like you. Thank you for being part of this community! 🎉✨
🔥 Thank you so much ‘Ramblings of a sikh’ and Jvala ji … for doing something ,no one has done so far , May kalgidhar Pita ji bless you ❤❤🎉
In a recent katha by giani Sher Singh ji he mentions how baba santa Singh told him that harnam das udasi was originally a Nihang Singh who travelled all the way to places like Tibet, China, Arabia etc in order to learn the 52 languages that are said to be within sarbloh Granth and that essentially he would convert to the local religion in order to learn and than when he came back essentially a mona he put on udasi garb and finished his work on sarbloh, and that he was scared to go back to the Nihang Singh’s as essentially he wasn’t exactly a Singh anymore. Baba santa Singh invited him and paid him extremely handsomely for those times and that’s how the the only academic work we have on sarbloh Granth came about. So fascinating!
@@manindersingh-rc8vi can you please send the link to that katha 🙏🏽
@@tamoguni hes talking about the sarbloh granth academic seminar recording
@@tamoguni ua-cam.com/users/liveA9qPPHVknTs?si=WDu7ymV0gMBdP59L starts about an hour and a half in
I’m so appreciative of this podcast. Thank you Amar Singh and Jvala Singh for this illuminating discussion!
I had no clue about the sarbhloh granth and this was plenty helpful, thank you so much for this and love your content❤
You're so welcome!
Definitely deserves more subs
Suraj podcast is legit.
You guys are the GOATs, excellent discussion. Part 2 is gonna be banger
Jvala singh never fails.... The guys research is next level
Beautiful podcast singh ji
Need more of this
Thank you 🙏🏻
HONESTLY I THANK YOU SO MUCH😭😭🙏🏾
Thank you for the support
Amazing work both of you great questions and great answers. The best part was the question about divinity in Sikhi and the discussion that followed.
Thanks to Javala ji and Ramblings of a Sikh for doing a podcast on a such important yet unsung topic. I hope you guys make another podcast that dives deeper into Sri Sarbloh Granth 🙏🏼greatly appreciate your sewa ❤❤
This is just wonderful sharing of knowledge. Thank you
Amazing podcast. Thank you for the information and Seva
I CANT WAIT 😭
What an awesome podcast! 5 stars rambler
Sant baba Jarnail Singh JI khalsa also refrenced Sri Sarbloh Granth in an interview, its a 45 min interview which can be found on youtube. Have you had a darshan of Sri Sarbloh Granth which is at Sri Hazoor Sahib?
the Hazoor sahib Sarbloh granth saroop has been digitized, you can see it on Archive
@@user-yh7br7oo4z Can you please provide a link?
Excellent episode. Thank you to the guest and host. I wonder what Jvala Singh thinks of the theory that the Sarbloh Granth may have at-least partially been composed by members of the Guru's Kavi Darbar.
I'll have to save the question for part 2
ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ 🙏 Amazing Podcast. Looking forward to part 2
This is amazing bless you guys thank you 🙏🏽❤️
Brilliant work
Even if I get mukti I will take more reincarnations just to listen to this for the first time again
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Khalsa ji,,keep up these good work,, Full support
Poor Sukha Singh 🥺
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Sarbloh Parkash granth sahib has more than 170+ Raags, 50+ languages, and countless chhandds . None other than ,Guru Gobind Singh ji themselves can write such great Baani!
And read Santa Singh's commentary on it, he himself admits that the raags used are out of place sometimes. Stanzas under the raag don't satisfy metre rules. Not at one place but many. And this is why only guru dokhis would call it Guru's rachna.
@@yilts9748 there are many shabads in sri guru granth sahib also that don’t satisfy metere rules. The next thing you people will say that guru Granth sahib is also kachi bani
@@yilts9748 in Jaap sahib alone , there are many stanzas which don’t sometimes follow the strict metere of the chhand.
@@user-yh7br7oo4z Guru Granth Sahib has proven chain of custody over the centuries. Sarabloh doesn't. Very important difference. Sarabloh is a recent imposition on the panth.
@@user-yh7br7oo4z Jaap Sahib veracity has never been in doubt. Its mentions occurs in many sources. Sarabloh's has never been proven.
Great video
Thanks for this, my only criticism would be is not tackling why this text was removed head on as that sheds light onto the modern thought. Sri Sarbloh and Dasam Granth ji are being forgotten on purpose as they link sikhi to the greater sanatan culture its from. The concepts of Shiv and the devas being cowards etc are no different from certain hindu schools of philosophy and mythological tales and these have great deeper meanings. As a soldier myself, understanding these as martial texts makes all the difference as their teachings can be employed in a variety of difficult situations. These are amazing texts and without delving into them with an unbiased open mind and understanding of the culture they emerged from a true appreciation and understanding can never be reached. That cannot be done by many 'modern' separatist Sikh groups.....hence parts are picked out which they like and then others like 'Sri Maya Lakshmi ji ki sahai' are denied. This simply doesn't work.
Thank you for your feedback. I strive to be honest to the material.
Your point about not addressing why the text was removed is well taken, as it sheds light on modern perspectives - this is something we will certainly include in part 2.
The connection between Sri Sarbloh Granth, Sri Dasam Granth, and the broader culture is significant, and understanding these texts in their entirety is crucial for a comprehensive appreciation.
Delving into these works with an unbiased and open mind, considering their cultural context, is essential for true understanding. I completely agree that selectively accepting parts while denying others, such as ‘Sri Maya Lakshmi ji ki sahai,’ does not provide an accurate representation.
Thank you for the response. I look forward to part 2. Keep up the great work 👍
I have a question as well. I've heard that Sarb Loh and Dasam Granth should be regarded as the shoulders while Aad Granth Sahib is the head. When was the depiction made of Maharaja Ranjit Singh in front of Dasam and Aad made and why wasn't Sarbloh also shown? Are there records or reason to believe that Sarb Loh Granth was raised in darbar along with the other two granths?
Sikhs are not into ooga booga Hinduism. In Dasam Saroop, Krishan and Shiva are killed by Khadag Singh. Dasam Paatshah took us away from all this BS. Stop trying to insert it back.
@@harijotkhalsa9496 The original Granth that was meant to be in the Darbar was a text called the Vidya Sagar. The Vidya Sagar had Ad, Dasam and Sarbloh Granth plus some more Bani, it was so big that it took several Singhs to move it.
The original Vidya Sagar manuscript was lost after the location it was kept was attacked by the Mughals.
Maharaj then decided to split the text up into 3 separate texts for easier transportation and safe keeping.
This is the argument for why all 3 Granths should be on the darbar.
Is there any digital version of Sarb Loh Granth available?
Sampooran Sri Sarbloh Granth Sahib - archive.org/details/sampooran-sri-sarbloh-granth-sahib
Sunpuran Steek Sri Sarbloh Granth Sahib Ji - archive.org/details/SunpuranSteekSriSarblohGranthSahibJi
English Translation of Sri Sarbloh Granth Sahib - manglacharan.com/
@@RamblingsofaSikh Thank you!
Can anyone please provide audio of complete Sarbloh paath , i cant find anywhere . I know there are many places where singhs do Paath of sri sarbloh , in these days its not hard to record on mobile and post on youtube
There hasn’t been any full recording uploaded of Sarbloh granth sahib .
ua-cam.com/video/3pqXT0yUeNY/v-deo.html
I think I saw someone leave a comment with some audio, but now I don't see it...
16:30 shots fired 😎
Yeeee jvala the big G
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1:01:58 gurmat martand (references for my own sake 😅)
Not every spurious 18th century text should be attributed to the Tenth Guru. Sarbloh Granth mysteriously surfaced up more recently.
Is there any evidence that it was even written in guru gobind singh ji time? Is the original copy available or oldest copy available? Where is it? Has it been verified and authenticated? I dnt think so. Could you please translate for us dasam granth word by word especially bachitra natak thanks
We have discussed the different authors attributed to the Sarbloh Granth, the available manuscripts, their locations, and the process of verification. It’s clear that you’ve listened attentively to the discussion. As for translations, much of the Sri Dasam Granth, including Bachitra Natak, has already been translated and made available by various scholars.
1:06:25 what website did he tell?
Manglacharan website
manglacharan.com/
Guru Ji is not making fun of Shiva, Vishnu etc when they run away, when the formless absolute truth takes a form such as this, they have devotees who make mistakes, because of these mistakes even Shiva, Vishnu etc endure this for the sake of their devotees mistakes.
The absolute truth in form is easier to relate to and love and the end objective is to fall in love the absolute truth - jin prem kiya tin he prabh paya- Sargun and Nirgun are both god, it doesn't matter with which one you fall in love with.
We are not a Abrahamic type of thought, our teachings contain all the ancient 6 schools of spiritual knowledge 6 gur 6 updes, all these do contradict each other but still take us home
Well done, lots of respect for Jvala. But the gods becoming scared and lessons from it are often shown in hindu mythology. Totally agree with this point. It's all intertwined and nothing wrong with that.
Agreed. I think it's good to consider 3 thing:
-Aad Guru Granth both heaps praise on Lord Krishna in bhagat bani as well as Gurus themselves
-Gurus also offer criticisms of the likes of Krishna
-Gurus also put themselves as slaves, Guru Gobind Singh says 'nahi mo say gareeb...' and 'jo ham ko parmesar uchareh..'
The lesson seems to me that anything, no matter how divine, that exists in the physical world is temporary. While there can be value in respecting such temporary divinity we must not be attached to it.
@@happyaslarry5839 running away is a war tactic to come back at a later time to control a enemy when the odds are better
Guru Ji is making fun of Shiva absolutely. Guru Gobind Singh Ji in Dasam Saroop first calls Krishan an avatar of Vishnu, and then kills Krishna and Shiva at hands of a mythological character, Khadag Singh. It is Guru Sahib burying the Brahminism ooga booga and giving rise to a Khalsa away from way of the Brahmin.
Nirgun and Sargun are gift of Bhagat Kabir Ji, he is the one who decodified the Akaal Purkh for us and Gurus took it forward. How do you people associate it with any Brahmin schools?
@@harijotkhalsa9496 Krishna and Shiva is literally killed in a battle scene described in Dasam Saroop. How do you people even place one bit of confidence in any of the Brahmin ooga booga? Have some shame.
Bai punjabi ch kro tahii smz ayoo bohtyea noo ta
No need to even discuss about all these granths they are created to stigmatize guru gobind singh
That claim ignores historical evidence and the rich tradition surrounding these texts. Both the Sarbloh Granth and Dasam Granth have been studied and revered by scholars and Sikhs alike for centuries, with deep philosophical and spiritual content attributed to Guru Gobind Singh. Dismissing them outright oversimplifies a complex and important part of Sikh history.
Discrepancies in the manuscripts or giani Gian Singhs mind lol
😂
Show some respect
@@EquatorMarsupial I didn’t say anything disrespectful…giani gian Singh is a great scholar however he had a major agenda in trying to legitimize the nirmla order through non existent and/or doctored history
Seems like nirmala sanpardha wasn’t started by Dasam Pitah ji