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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
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Please increase your audio levels. Nearly impossible to hear this.
Thanks, I'll look into it. Can you let me know what device you're on so that I can investigate this?
@@QEngineering Windows 10 w/ USB driven Dell AC511 sound bar. UA-cam streaming via FireFox v98 running an add-on called "UA-cam Audio Equalizer and Amplifier" which boosts audio levels on YT videos up to +20db. I had everything turned up 100% max and still it was hard to get your audio level high enough on this video. You have really good content, so I'll be back for more! Best wishes... Bill from OKC OK
@@okflyer777 thanks for letting me know, I've been looking into it the last 3 days and realized my mistake, my editing software defaults to TV audio level of -24db rather then the UA-cam standard of -3db. Just doing the research on how to fix it now. Boosted it in my last video but it came out with too much base.
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Low here too, ipad pro
I also ordered the 5 extruder version right away. I technically only need about 3 Extruders (TPU, soluble, the actual printing material) so i can finally make mixed material prints and integrate flexible joints or seals without major design iterations or assembly, but having 2 extra extruders on top of the required 3 are a neat addition, so I have to swap filaments less or can add multicolor to complex prints.
I always liked prusa for not forcing me to fiddle and tinker with the printer itself. It just works with good quality and is very reliable. Now this beast is calibrating itself completely, no matter if i changed the sheet, did some maintenance or anything. And it seems like it comes with a full enclosure for certain materials, so, yes, please! It is a whole new level of convenience.
I'm probably going to sell my MK3S as soon, as the XL arrives, since I only need one FDM printer and the XL is superior in every aspect. And I bet someone will be happy with a good deal on an MK3S :)
I know the XL is a bit pricey, but you get bleeding edge Innovations. Also this thing will last and I was never let down by the prusa support, so I am willing to trust their product and invest my money.
That is one thing I'll say about Prusa they always have the best interest of the costumer in mind. I think that the Prusa echo system will eventually make printing 3D objects just as easy as printing a PDF.
I ordered the 5 head, it’ll be my second printer about 6 months ago I bought my first the Creality CR-10 smart, I’ve spent so much time dialing it in I’ve learned so much and came up with my own solutions to common problems with CR-10 smart. I want to print multi color projects and a printer I don’t have to replace or tweak parts. Hopefully the added cost gets me what I’m looking for.
I'm excited about all the tech in it. Wonder how it will change the game.
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Great points on the individual heating beds!
Just found your channel from Reddit today. Ordered the 5 extruder tool changer version within 10 minutes of the announcemenet.
Awesome, I'm super excited for you (and a bit jealous to be honest).
When it comes in drop me a line I'm super interested in the good/bad/ugly.
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Much to my surprise, I decided to get one of these, and put down my $200 deposit. I have been interested in a printer with a tall build volume more than a big build plate, and if Anycubic were still making the Predator delta printer I probably would have bought one. I also like the idea of either a stationary build plate or one that just moves in z. The only other printer I might have considered would have been the Ender 5 Plus. (I currently have an Ender 5 Pro.) When I saw the Prusa XL, I was just thrilled at the engineering of the machine. Yes, it cost more than 3x what an Ender 5 Plus costs, but I want a printer that just works without having to calibrate a bunch of things or worry if the BLTouch is going to deploy or if its probe pin will break, etc. And I am just so sick of these second-rate printers (yes, like the Crealitys) that require all kinds of fiddling, modifying, and firmware changing just to get them to work like they are supposed to.
There's a lot to be said for a printer that just works, even for hobbyists, but especially if you're using it to make money. This is why the expense of something like an Ultimaker is justified.
Just out if curiosity, are you still interested in a Prusa XL?
@@QEngineering I absolutely am still interested, perhaps even more so than when I put down my deposit.
They can use the load cell to detect filament clogs too and they use it to auto calibrate the multi tool heads. The 5 head XL has three power supplies in the back (according to 3D Printing Nerd's video) and can control the 16 heating zones individually to not have cold spots in the corners. They have announced a fully enclosed chamber too besides the accordeon draft shield that was in the video.
And even the "small changes" like not having to route a wire all the way back to the controller if you replace the hotend are worth mentioning. Overall I do think it has lot of new features that will set a new standard in the prosumer market.
I have preordered the 5 head version, since I have a few months to find a buyer for one of my kidneys.
I'm going to try to get my work to buy one. Saved my scotch marinated body parts for Prusa XL mini 😋
Ordered today. Might order a second as well. Can’t wait. This will be a game changer for my business.
Drop me a line when you get it going. I'm always interested to hear about how things really are from people who show 3d printers no mercy.
@@QEngineering will do. My two other prusas run 24/7. Their performance is what kept me waiting after hearing the rumors about an XL in the works.
@@crawlersncustoms mine too, I've changed out the bearings in my mk2 twice and damaged 1 rod. Thier performance is top notch.
I would rather see some of the xl technology incorporated into the next i3 model
I want a Prusa XL mini 😋🤣
I think the printers Prusa seen in the Prusa Automated Farm System are the i3 replacement.
Regarding the heat up thing:
I print only ABS-T with it, and i never had warp issues, the print starts as soon as the bed and extruder are heated up.
So maybe its Not wven necessary to heat up the whole enclosure before the print starts.
(My Printer stands in a cabinet under my kitchen sink, so its no fancy stuff.)
Happy to here that you have a good method for ABS. I had a hell of a time getting it to print nice.
Maybe you just have a magic touch with ABS. The ABS whisperer 😁.
@@QEngineering maybe, or its the good ABS T Filament from PM :D
I’ve preordered the 5 head tool changer and I can’t wait. I have a Prusa Mini which I love and most of my prints fit on that; however, I have a bit of spare cash and this is too good to pass up. Multiple colors, soluble supports, and the possibility of future tools beyond extruders? Wow! It is a bit pricey but it appears they used high-end parts and if the build quality is like the other Prusa printers, I will be very satisfied. If you ever find yourself in Oklahoma, you are free to come by for a print party.
🤤 are you looking to adapt a Canadian? We love 5 head tool changers, were house broken and only tear up the yard during ATV season. Lol
A proper mountable Laser for instance, that would be cool.
@@ragedude7444 but then you need a shark to go with it :)
@@QEngineering naturally ^^
I'm fortunate to be in the position where time is worth more than money, and as cool as the Voron is I don't have time to research packages and assemble kits (if they made a pre-assembled Voron 0.1 I'd be all over it). I'm coming from the other end, I have a $4200 Makerbot Method-X, and while the hardware and customer service are a 5/5, the software situation is a giant turd, so I'm interested in the Prusa XL. My only remaining question is around hot end wattage. I'd like to print faster with larger nozzles (functional pieces), and that requires a 50-100 W hot end.
FYI LDO makes a voron 0.1 kit. If I had waited just another 30 days I could have gotten it but when I got my Formbot kit I had no clue it was coming out.
Software wise Prusa Engineers are wizards. I spent hundreds of hours tuning/experimenting to get a perfect simplified 3d profile and Boom out comes slic3r Prusa edition and the print quality was just as good as my profile.
Don't forget to put a new layer of calking around whatever window is closes to that XL, guys like me will be drooling up a storm trying to get a peak at it.
A heatgun inlet to that mk2 enclosure may decrease the time it takes to heat up.
I use to have to do that in my old place because my basement was so cold in the winter that it would trip the thermal protection on the MK2.
If you listen to the diehard ABS boys, they recommend heat soaking the printer, ie letting the frame and components come up to temp. Maybe I should do a cold frame + hot air myth busters this winter.
When I printed my Voron we where in the middle of a heat wave, 40+ outside, so I was able to get a boost from mother nature :)
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Since 1 Year i own a 4 Year old Prusa Mk2 (now 2.5)
It didnt cause me too much headache, it just runs.
Since 3 months i own a sovol sv3 and an Ender 5 plus for bigger prints, and i had more issues with them than ever with prusa.
So i preordered the 2 extruder Version, because i simple need a bigger but reliable printer.
I love my mk2.5 but it's limited to short prints, just too loud at night.
I named her river, after Joan rivers because she's had so much work done on her. No original plastic parts left.
I have a project on the go to replace the RAMB0 with an SKR mini and run klipper on her.
They don't use aromonic drive, they use cycloidal gear
This printer put in the market a lot of uprgrades, but it's and expensive 3d printer... I will wait the first reviews to decide
If you're going to use the full volume, a print can take more than 1 day
I don't thing that 40 minutes or more to reache chamber temperature will hurt on that scale xD
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@@QEngineering xD hahaha time is time
I think the only way to speed up fdm printing, without pushing the printer to crazy accelerations and speeds, is to use multiple nozzles at the same time
Easy decision to me. Drop $200 to get an early spot in line and then wait for the reviews to come in. If it's as amazing as advertised I will get it as soon as possible. If the reviews reveal significant issues, I still have time to cancel my order. So unless you are just not interested at all, it seems like a no-brainer.
You do realize the deposit is not refundable in the way you think right? It's a deposit that is deducted from the total cost. Most don't realize it's not refundable if canceled.
@@tjlqk3 The deposit is refundable. It's right in the blog post.
@@anthonyk_art7051 email support. It’s refundable to your order. It’s not as it reads. I asked
@@tjlqk3 this is what the Prusa site says “Reserve your place in line by paying the refundable deposit.” Why do you believe it is non refundable?
@@skacey42 ask support. It is what they told me.
What will the max nozzle temp be? Can it print nylon with carbon / pc ?
They haven't announced it yet, but I'd imagine that prusa will continue working with E3D so I'd imagine 280ish should be no issues. The big question is if the hotend has a hardened nozzle, anything carbon reinforces is abrasive so it wears out brass nozzles.
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@@QEngineering thanxs! Im interested in functional prints, and been looking into qidi x-cf pro (350C nozzle, 120C bed) for printing PC etc. However, dual extruders like this new Prusa would be great for using two filaments in the same print.. 280deg C sounds a bit low. What do you thing, qidi x-cf vs prusa XL..?
Honestly, I would not buy ether. The biggest thing that I suggest before purchasing a new printer is to check out the community associated with the printers and see what issues people are having and how the community treats new users.
Since the XL isn't out we don't yet know the issues, when the mk3 was released it's print quality was inferior to the first 3-6 months untill they got the pressure advance stuff worked out, also the filament runout sensor had issues untill it was redesigned.
The qidi is a printer that I'm hearing about for the first time, but since I've been printing for many years I have a good understanding of quality vs price. And I can safely say that if their print quality is as advertised then everyone on UA-cam would be talking about it. There is a lot of fly-by-night companies on the 3d printer space And my Spidey-senses are tingling on this one.
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@@QEngineering that made me think. Will investigate QiDi a bit more and see if they are ok.
@@droneforfun5384 you have plenty of time my friend, I would say that this is kinda a bad time for new 3D printers, the top of the line stuff is getting out of date and the new shinney's aren't available yet.
Also I highly recommend looking into CNC kitchens videos on material strengths, nylons are hard to print, so you may be happier with ABS or PETG. Most of my functional prints are done in ABS and they hold up so well that my nylon rolls don't get used much. Infact Angus from Makers muse uses an impact resistant PLA for one of his battle bots.
Isn't that a MK2? Have you upgraded it to the 24v heat bed? If not, it's no wonder it takes ages to heat up. That's the whole point of the new heat bed on the XL, faster heat up times, even heating across the bed, and less warping due to heating small plates instead of a really large plate. This also allows them to avoid using AC for the bed as most other, large form factor beds use, which is a lot more dangerous.
And yes, you could build a RatRig or Voron for less, but you also are having to do a lot more work for the build, from part sourcing to firmware compiling, and you'd still be lacking several of the innovations Prusa is bringing to the table.
But yeah... if you have little/no need for large format, then it holds little appeal, even with the innovative things it has.
I did order one, because just like my MK3 Prusas, I expect it will be money well spent for a machine that is relatively easy to build, and is a solid workhorse machine.
It's an MK2.5S, there's an mk3s+ just off screen beside it 😋.
When you print ABS you need to use an enclosure, the air temp of that enclosure needs to hit 50degC or your going to get warping. So you basically heat the bed to 100 and let it sit for a while to heat the air. The more air you need to heat the longer it takes.
The 12v bed only takes a few seconds more to preheat then the 24v bed. Since they are the same wattage.
Gotcha. By virtue of there being more air to heat, a large format printer will take longer for an enclosure to warm up to optimum temperature for high temp materials such as ABS. I have one of my MK3 in a LACKL enclosure to print ABS from time to time, so I get it.
When we're talking about printing a large object that will take days to print, a few extra minutes of warming the chamber won't matter much. But, as you said, most of your printing is of small objects, for which your smaller printers are perfect. No need for the XL.
I’m usually a guy that waits but I’m getting on this wagon. I saved for it and prepared it’s a lot of money but I’m getting this one. Coming from a guy who thinks his cr6 se and Enders are better then the mk3s and mini I’m also a fan a prusa at the same time andknow that without them other companies would not exist. I’m excited for this one and I wanted a voron but I wasn’t a fan of the community around voron so I passed on those machines and refused to build one.
Drop me a line on the channel when you get the XL I'd love to hear the good, bad and the ugly.
I too had a bad experience with the voron community, one if the guys in the design channel had an issue with me posting a remix of a part that didn't fit properly. however, the guys in the Canadaland discord channel are the best, they helped me so much. If you ever change your mind about voron drop on in there.
@@QEngineering it’s funny I really like the v0.1 and it still might happen. Yea dang nice Canadians see that’s where I should have went 😬 and asked for advice. I think the designers and engineers at voron are an awesome group of guys. I liked the video and had to sub q2 q3 is when they say but I’m going to guess around this time next year when a lot of us will get one. With parts and how hard things are to get just going to have to be patient and wait it out. The heated bed is what I’m 🤔 about only time will tell.
I can't. Doesn't have full enclosure.
Prusa said it will have an enclosure addon, but I still have not seen any info about it. My guess is that it's going to have to me some kind of tophat like on the voron v0.
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Still there's a steel plate above those 16 panels so probably no boundary cool spots; I'm also excited by it - but not gonna get it; Prusa is beyond my price range; plus I already have a tricked out Tronxy X5S core XY; if I were to get something it would probably be a Mini clone cause of the cantilever kinematics ;) would look nice between my tronxy and my kossel
That would be a great setup. I kinda regret not getting a mini when it was released, I thought it was too small until I got the V0 and realized most the time I don't go bigger then that print wise.
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@@QEngineering yeah the print bed size race got pretty crazy back in the day - while at the same time the material properties were the limiting factor for non paperweight prints; those huge ass cartesian/i3 hogs; now the pendulum has swung the other way - speed is king, push it to the limit - maybe there will be a delta renaissance? with those strain gauges becoming common and 32bit boards things might get funky
@@trailblazingfive yeah I remember when everyone thought that the delta would rule the world due to the speeds of the toolhead.... Rise of the Delta 2, this time it's personal.
I am saving together with it has the old i3 mk2 version and then I would have a larger print so thought the price is huge I come from Denmark so it would probably not be cheaper here: P
Greatings from Canada, wow Denmark it's beautiful there.
I'll definitely toast to your good health, hope you have many good years with your prusa xl in Denmark.
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do you think it would be wireless ??
@@MRDB1990Prusa has not announced the details of the electronics in the XL but I can't imagine that Prusa would release a product that is behind the times. In 2022 wifi costs an extra $2-5 to add to a project.
The XL is a CoreXY machine, which need a lot more processing power over a
cartesian coordinate machine. About 8-32 x the processing power.
Voron printers use a raspberry pi to do the math for the control board(SKR boards). This might sound expansive, but the mk3 Einsy board is actually more expansive then the SKR mini + raspberry pi 3 combo, which gives you wifi as part of the package.
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Sooo… I can now print my own Hookerbots!
You could do that now, they are just of the shorty variety 😉
I really want it but I think I'll wait to see some reviews first. If I got it, it would be for the ability to do multi-colour prints without the wipe tower.
I had one of the release MK3 printers, it had a bit of quirks with the new features. So waiting is a probably a good call.
@@QEngineering But then - Prusa always provided upgrade paths to improve their machines…
Yeah, not needing a purge tower is so noce. i tried slicing for mmu and the purge block was like 131 gramms for a small part. I would probably use supports and multi materials to mower costs or parts.
@@ulaB yes they do. I had an original vanilla MK2 and doing the mk2s, MK2.5, MK2.5s upgrades was one if my favorite parts of Prusa ownership. All the kits where very affordable as well. And I respect Prusa for making replacement parts affordable for Prusa owners.
@@josiahong5177 I always wondered why they needed a purge block the height of the model, could you have not just used the back corner of the plate and make a deadzone so that your extruder doesn't hit the model?