Have been a Canon shooter for 20 years and the Z9 and the built in tele’s are so tempting. Nikon gets some stick from areas of the photo community but there is serious innovation in these camera’s and lenses that for wildlife make them incredibly practical
Cameras are like the weather. There's an old saying, "If you don't like the weather, wait a minute!" The same is true with cameras. If you don't like the current offerings from your camera manufacturer, just wait a minute! I have watched photographer friends take blood bath after blood bath (financially speaking) switching from one brand to another, and selling tons of gear at a loss, only to regret it a year or two later when their "old" manufacturer comes out with their "latest and greatest"! If you are heavily invested in one company or another, you are better off to "wait a minute" than jump ship, in my opinion.
For serious wildlife and nature photographers, the combination of the Nikon Z9 and the new suite of Nikon Z mount lenses offers a very compelling equipment solution.
I've just fully invested in the Sony system, but the Nikon Z mount is a very compelling option, the 400mm F4.5 is insane quality considering it's such a light lens and now with the nikon 200-600mm soon to be announced just further completes the system.
What a great combo Jan, out of my price range, but maybe in the future. Nikon is definitely coming in strong with their Z lenses. Great images as always.
I shoot the Z9 and a 500PF and have great results, however the 400mm f2.8 TC and the 600mm f4 TC really have me with lens envy. Both are fabulous, but the decision one or the other is hard. One of these days I'm just going to pull the trigger and buy one. I hope I've made a decision by then! Great video Jan! I hope you pull that trigger too! Love your work!
When it comes to Manual Focusing while hand-holding the lens (the 400/2.4 TC which has the same design): I keep the lens foot resting on my palm for support, allowing me to use my fingers for manual focusing. It can be uncomfortable for the palm, thus I use a fingerless padded biker's glove. Nikon has received a lot of abuse from many UA-camrs who have never really used the cameras/lenses and I am happy to see you giving an honest and informed opinion.
I do the same thing with my 200-500, it isnt the most practical thing in the world but gets the job done, also allows for both focus and zooming without moving my hand.
I just feel like holding the lenses by the body is so much more stable. And as you say it can get painful on the hand if you hold it by the foot. I am not attached to any brand. I use what works for me and happy to share whatever I think of the gear I use.
Used this lens since February mounted on a monogimbal head, monopod, flagbearer-style harness combo. This makes it truly a walkabout and handholdable lens. Game changer for bird and small mammal photography with the 600 or 840 focal length. In hindsight, I was fortunate that over the entire 2022 year the Z 400/2.8 TC never arrived and I could change my pre-order to the Z 600/4 TC.
I have owned this lens since just about release date, and it has changed everything I do in the field. The image quality is spectacular, and even the price in my mind is justifiable as I almost feel like I have two lenses in one, without having to carry two lenses (and two bodies). Unless the other brands come out with a comparable lens, I just can't see myself going back to a 600mm f/4 without a built in TC. I have also owned the 400 TC, and I feel like that lens has even better image quality compared to the near perfect 600 TC.
I initially ordered the 400tc due to the presumed image quality benefit and some early positive feedback from Matt Granger. When the opportunity arose to get the 600tc instead ( there was no chance of ‘as well’), and without knowing how long the wait would be for the 400 tc, I jumped at the 600. I love it and have no regrets but was curious about how much better the 400 picture quality was. Alphonsus- do you feel there was a significant difference? Thanks, Glenn.
As good as this video is, those stilt shots overshadow everything else. Simply breathtaking. I have to admit, Canon's continued delay on the R1 - even information on the R1, have made me start paying more attention to other manufacturers. A platform change is terribly painful, even without the huge financial hit you take. But this lens would be a game-changer. I don't knew whether to thank you or curse you for the content, but it was enough to convince me to look more seriously at making a change.
Yes, I was very happy when I got them. I saw them at that spot a few days earlier and went back to get the shots. Never seen them on the beach. Yes, changing systems is hard. I think if I went for this lens I would have this as my main long lens and keep the rest Canon for now. It's just hard for your fingers to remember all the different buttons on the different systems
Really great looking lens. My choice of the A1 and thus Sony system came down to size and weight (I'm 70). The Z9 is compelling but it felt like going back to a heavy DSLR which is the main reason I switched to mirrorless. I do admit that right now for wildlife/bird photography the firmware updates to the Z9 plus new lenses makes it a very compelling set up. I feel Sony has abandoned A1 users which is why I've been flirting with Canon.
@@jan_wegener Standard operating procedure for Sony. They want to sell you a new camera instead. Not like Nikon who recently dropped new firmware for 10+ years old cameras and have been rolling some major new features on the new Z cameras through firmware.
Size and weight are important to a lot of people, but I think others actually like huge, heavy cameras. I think they feel they look more "professional ". For others, they like the "feel" in their hands of a DSLR style camera. It's more what they are used to. In any case, don't make 70 sound old! I'm right there with you!
I'm always amazed Jan you haven't already changed over to Nikon. Best thing I ever did was swap my 1DX for the D500 and get the 500 PF, and now I have the Z9 and 400 f/4.5 which is a ridiculously light lens. Going forward I would really love to see Nikon offer a 500 f/4.5 with built-in 1.4x as this would be maybe 2.2kg max and with 46MP the 20% FL reduction compared to 600mm is not worth worrying about for vastly better portability and probably half the cost. Until then I will get the 800 f/6.3 as the 800 + 400 is about half the price of the 600 in Australia which costs $26K or so.
Good to see that you have finally caught up with the Nikon Z9, Nikkor Z S series lenses and the DxO software for low light small bird pics. After an 11 month wait my 800mm 6.3 PF was finally shipped to Australia. The 500mmPF with 1.4X TC on the Z9 does the job for me at the moment.
Just like I said in the comments two weeks ago, the BIG SWITCH is coming. I shoot Nikon, but not the Z9. Waiting for the “Z850” before I upgrade and consider one of the big telephotos. In the meantime, I’m shooting the OM1 + 150-400 4.5 TC pro lens ….. and loving this combo. Like the big Z lenses it has the TC flip switch next to my middle finger, instantly taking the lens as long as 1000 mm ffe. Getting great shots with it and many of the so called weaknesses of M43 (DOF, noise) are heavily overblown by the full frame junkies. Give it a whirl, Jan. For size, weight, reach and cost, there is no better bird and wildlife combo.
Its a great combo, the 20mp M43 Sony stacked sensor is amazing. I wish to see it in more travel format bodies packed with the newest software and decent zoom.
Fantastic pictures. Thank you. I'm looking forward to your Z 9 review with tips about autofocus. I shoot with a Z 7 and a Z 9, but ten months into Z 9 use, I still find it overwhelming. Of course, your photographic expertise is the foundation of your thrilling pictures, irrespective of gear.
Agreed. It has taken me longer to learn how to pre-set my brain so that I get the camera ready, pick the appropriate settings and operate it efficiently without feeling somewhat overwhelmed by all the options etc (and the moving autofocus indicators). New cameras usually take me about six months to feel completely comfortable with. It’s always a pleasure once I get to that stage. The Z9 has taken much much longer. I am however enjoying it more and more each time I use it. I got just over a year ago. The firmware updates have helped but it is still a camera with SO many options to work your way through, understand and then get comfortable with using.
It's hard not to have gear envy with a review like that. I'm envious of the lorikeets you have occasion to photograph. They look like they've been tie dyed. Wow! Another great video.
Thanks for the presentation, Jan. I've currently been using the Nikon Z9 with previous f-mount 600mm f/4 E FL ED VR, and this lens is definitely a want - but your video almost makes it a need. Appreciate your review of handholding through the viewfinder footage and the shots at slow "shutter" speeds. The main issue (other than price) is availability. Interestingly, the 600mm f/4 TC seems to be a bit easier to come by than the 400mm f/2.8 (year wait). Keep the videos coming. I had given up on the idea of putting anything toward this lens and selling my old one till now. LOL Good thing it is a day of rest (Sunday).
I just wanted to say again how much I enjoy and learn from your videos, even the gear review-oriented ones that feature lenses I won’t be able to own (at least any time soon). Seeing your settings, techniques, and results well-sprinkled throughout all videos is so helpful. Oh, and if I ever win the lottery, this lens is #1 on my list for splurge purchases. What an amazing offering by Nikon.
Was waiting for this review. Thanks for the review. I own a Z9 but this lens is out of my budget. If I were a pro photographer, I'd jump on it. And really amazing photos/vids. Well done, Jan.
Cameras are obsolite for 1 year or less while lenses will serve you whole life if you keep them properly. My advise is to invest more in lenses, not cameras.
Thanks for review. As a hobbyist, need a lottery win for this so scraping around with 100-400 and waiting Soooo long for 1.4TC. Might have to consider 800mm or the 200-600mm if it comes out in the next few years!
I also feel tempted to get a nikon z9 and this amazing lens, thanks for a great review. I have a R5 and I have the old 600 mm f4 mk2 that I bought used 2015 and I have the eos 400mm f4 mk2 with I find really nice for longer hiking often with the 1,4 extender.
Nice vid -- I have both the 600 and 400 and took both plus the 100-400 to kenya last month where I had a great time. I took over 20,000 shots and many hours of vids - but about 13,439 of these were with the 400/2.8TC and "only" 5645 were with the 600/4.0TC -- maybe this was because I focus on big cats often ion low light, we saw almost no cheetah chases and for some of the time it was very hot -- causing unacceptably high levels of heat haze when shooting at distance. Both lenses are hand holdable on a Z9. They function almost identically - but I find the location of the control and function rings inconvenient so taped over them both. Since it had been raining grass height was often high and so being able to manually focus to look through the grass was also key -- the Z9's area AF modes do tend to grab focus on the nearest object (with SD on or without) and this can frequently be a grass stem in front of the eye/head. One has to shoot with enough DOF (typ f/8). If I had to choose only one of these lenses it would be the 400/2.8TC - that is because small birds are very much a minority of the subject I shoot - the 400/560 gives me what I need. BUT -- YES the 600/840 is a huge advantage when you need to reach in -- but only when it is cool that heat haze does not spoil the work.
Great video with impressive and engaging footage as usual. I have been a Nikon user for quite a while. I think the lens looks like a brilliant innovation. I hope other manufacturers take note. It is not the only feature they should copy from Nikon. The sensor shield and the no blackout dual stream viewfinder are also good indications of features everyone should adopt. I have had the Z9 for about a year. It has been a steep learning curve but it is delivering on the promise of producing very pleasing results. I often find that I have so many shots in focus that I can focus on composition and creativity. I would love the 600 TC S series lens. it looks like it also adds a great deal to improving the process of taking excellent photographs. The price is however way too steep for me.
I've had mine now for about 2 months. LOVE it... Though I am struggling a little but with getting sharp images when shooting at 840mm. At 600mm it's amazing. More testing is needed. I shoot alpine ski racing so it's a little more complicated than wildlife / bif. I went with the Z9 not so much because of the body but because of the 400/2.8 TC and the 600/4 TC.. Having the builtin TC is a game changer for me. I highly doubt that Sony or Canon will re release their 400/600 primes with built TC in quite some time if ever. Nikon really did their homework when releasing the 400/600mm lens with built in TC's. I expect Canon to release a new 200-400/4TC as this is a very popular lens in the sports community
I did have a few times where the AF was slightly off with the extender at close range, but didn't happen enough to draw any conclusions from that. Yes, I also don't think we will see TC primes from Sony or Canon soon.
@@biologyuppsala5389 Yes. As there is no 'upgrade' from the 800mm pf to the 600mm. With TC the sharpness is degraded and it becomes 'worse' than the 800mm. So, where is the upgrade here? Also, I am into small passerine birds, I need focal length. In case I use the 600mm almost all the time with TC on then I can also use the 800mm from beginning. The 600mm does not make sense for me. Maybe the 400mm yes, or the 400mm 4.5.
@@josefmolina3510 well the bokeh in the 800 is not great unless you manage to get an empty background. But if you never need 600 or f/4 then your choice makes sense. With 800mm there is no alternative if you get too close to a bigger bird though...
@@biologyuppsala5389 Cannot confirm this as I used also the 600mm f/4. The 800mm is lighter and with more reach. And it is sharper than the 600mm with activated TC. Bokeh wise, no complaint at all here, just compare the same scene with both lenses and you will see it. It is not 3x better than with the 800mm, if you want to compare it that way.
hey Jan Wegener, with your very Dutch name :). Great video. I won't be buying the 600 anytime soon because I bought the 100-400 yesterday. Still, it's thanks to great creative and technically very experienced photographers like you, that I get to form some conclusive predictions about the working of lenses, their handling, their character, and what they could do for me and in my work. So, the 100-400 is part of this same family of Z tele glass as the 600. I've been working with it for exactly one day now. I love myself for having bought it, finally, based on a huge pile of information thanks to content makers like you. One remark about teleglass that I'd like to make is that it's never 'lightweight', but always heavy, even while some Z-lensen weigh less than their F-counterparts. You don't notice that weight so much because of the fantastic VR indeed, that damps out a lot of the fine corrections you'd otherwise make while pointing, following and focusing subjects under extended full concentration, and that can wear you down. These lenses are not lightweight but they certainly feel that way once you put them to your eye. Both ways, I think, you get a lot of substance for your buck.
I have been shooting wildlife and birds for a long time using Canon's 100-400 4.5-5.6 and a 500 f4 (with and without 1.4 teleconverter) as my basic gear. Those lenses followed me to mirrorless via adapters. Been pretty happy with that setup, but I have to tell you, the new Nikon 180-600 5.6-6.3 is a sweet lens. Though I am not a brand swapper, I do have to wonder why every other manufacturer can come out with a similar lens, all under two grand, and the best Canon can do is a slower (at the long end...the end that counts) 100-500 4.5-7.1 for a thousand dollars more! Nice lens, no doubt, but come on! If you want to touch 600mm in a sub $2,000.00 lens from Canon, you are looking at a 600mm f11. F11!
Hallo Jan. Sehr praktisch, was Nikon mit dem integrierten TC geschafft hat. Nun sollte aber endlich ein neuer Body folgen, der unterhalb der Z9 trotzdem die Motiverkennung und den AF der Z9 mitbringt. Die Objektive gibt es nun , es fehlen weitere Kameras, die leichter und etwas günstiger sind. Gruß aus D. Jörg.
Is use my Canon 100-400is ii with my Z6ii with the fringer ef-nz and i cant notice any difference versus native lenses. I recently received my Z8 and the adapter works even better with this camera.i know people perhaps are reluctant to adapting lenses across brands but this adapter really is a breakthrough. Not making a comercial. I do own mostly nikon f and z lenses.
Jan I don't know if you remember it was Canon that started the built-in teleconverter with the 200 to 400 lens . I look at it as a gimmick why not use your existing teleconverters that you have on lenses that weigh less . That's just my input their Jan but there might be other people to feel different let's hear from them as well .
Give the Z8 15fps mechanical and 30 electronics, same body system and buttons like the Z9 but without inbuilt grip,make all the buttons customizable,make the dedicated af button switchable (not needing to tap on it and rotate a dial),add zebra stripping for exposure monitoring ,4k is enough,dual cfexpress type B card slots,even an improved af over the Z9 and grip also available on release . And sit back to enjoy a huge success.
And yes a built in teleconverter on other lenses would be brilliant (if affordable). I hate swapping TC's around - its such a nuisance. P.s. Out of interest what plate do you use for the lens foot. And do you have a video on travel tripods or recommendations at all for lightweight foldable ones?
One thing you might not track but which would be helpful for reviews would be stats on how many pictures you took, how many you considered potentially usable, and how many you picked to edit immediately. Compared across camera & lens combos that could give a more objective idea of how good the AF is. Of course some of that is dependent on the photographer's skill, and some is dependent on the behavior of the birds, so it's not perfect.
I probably took right around 20k images. I did not keep less or more than I’d normally keep with my canon gear. The main difference I noticed was that I missed the 40fps of the R6 II in situations like the fighting stilts. It does give you more options of wing positions etc. once the AF hit it was pretty good. If anything it sometimes missed and I did not even get to take photos on that particular scene
Yes indeed! I want one but when the heck are we going to be able to buy one. It's always out of stock. Same with the new 85mm lens. It's pretty hard to stay with them if they make you wait sooooooo long to buy stuff. Come on NIKON get the stuff out!!! Great video Jan and thanks for sharing...
Impressive Jan, handholding the value of a small car in the middle of a pool, getting as low as possible without getting the pants wet .. just to take such a truly amazing shot of those stilts 🤩👍 Looks like you were confident there were no crocodiles able to spook you ;-) Sounds like Nikon is strong in the money-no-object category, and I'd love for Canon to provide similar TC included options.
Stunning Video as ever, Jan. Many Thanks for yet another great release. Unfortunately with the use of an obvious click bait title, I have but 1 concern. You did't answer your own Question! Normal Hardworking "Hobbyist" photographers of course cannot, nor will not spend that ridiculous amount on a lens. Clearly a Pro photographer many be able to add such a thing to their camera bag. Would You switch?
Cause I don’t have a clear answer yet. I am very tempted but I’d like to see what Nikons next cameras will be and what the R1 will be like. The image stabilisation alone would make this worthwhile for me
You seem to have fully recovered and are looking way better than before, that's good to know. So, you know what my question is, but I saw your reply to Joseph below. So, let me ask you a more specific question, for people who are still not ready to fork out US$16K for a full-fledged big prime, which of the following do you believe to be the best combo? - Canon R5 + RF 100-500mm F/4.5-7.1 - Sony A1 + FE 200-600 F/5.6-6.3 - Nikon Z9 + Z 800mm F/6.3 VR By the way, I am still concerned about Nikon's AF and tracking, will you be covering that in the coming Nikon Z9 firmware update review video? Also, will you be testing your mate's Z 800mm F/6.3 with the Z9? Based on your answer to Joseph below, if I am not wrong you seem to be saying it is still not ideal (too complicated to use) and not quite up to par with Canon and Sony although it is getting close?
Thank you, feeling pretty good atm. Fingers crossed it’ll statt that way. I will get an 800 from Nikon soon, that should make the answer easier. It’s a very tough question to answer. Later this year there may be a Nikon 200-600 as well.
@@jan_wegener I guess the question is how sharp is the Z 800mm f/6.3 PF prime as compared to the zooms? And while it might be a lot cheaper than the true big primes, is it really worth US$6.5K? I am not sure whether the coming Nikon 200-600mm will matter that much when the A1 combo already has the FE 200-600mm that everyone loves plus the A1 by right should trump the Z9 at least in terms of AF/tracking.
Despise putting a TC on a Canon 100-500. Having to extend the lens to get it on makes an irritating operation even more so, and slower. Built-in is the future for wildlife.
In Australia this lens is $27499. Very few if any photographers will be able to justify buying it. Instead, it will be the Doctors, Dentists, and Lawyers who take less photos in ten years than I do every day buying it. The inbuilt TC is a great idea though - I've seen it on the 150-400 Olympus lens as well. Would be great to see it trickle down to affordable lenses - but not sure it will be possible given diffraction issues using TC's on slower lenses.
I am Nikon schootter and will definitely buy this lens. There is out of question for an amateur photographer to think about switching the system. Way to expensive. Canon Nikon and Sony will stay in the market. All three brands are great.
Hello Jan! great video and images as always. I own this combo for over two months now and have yet to use any kind of support for it. I normally use large area as my main AF and have the spring loaded ring one way to auto area and the other way to 3D, that way I don't have to worry about changing settings by mistake, since the ring returns to the original position as soon as I let it go. I have the other ring (the one you can rotate) set to ISO and I have no issues changing the value inadvertently either since I handhold with the foot in the normal position and is away from my hand and fingers.
Thank you so much for this video! Mine 600 TC is preordered but I get switching thoughts because of the AF of Nikon cameras. Since the last Update (3.10) I am much happier with the Z9. I keep thinking and wait, till the 600 is waiting for me in the store. Why is there no manufacturer independent lens mount? :D
At those price ranges, built in teleconverters should have been standard issue Heck they should include both the 1.4 and 2.0 teleconverters in the same lens
Hi Jan, and here's the next great video of you. This 600mm with built-in 1.4x extender is great and offers a lot of possibilities. It's smaller and lighter than my RF 600mm f/4. Handheld photography is much easier with such a lens, as you have shown us. Also the hand luggage suitability for flights. BTW - I can also carry my RF 600mm f/4 as hand luggage in my old Lowepro Vertex 300 😉 Okay without the lens hood, but it is possible. But is one better Lens a reason to switch to Nikon? Not really for me. In the past, I've seen a lot of photographers switch from Canon to Nikon and also from Nikon to Canon. And some of them switched back to the previous brand. Meanwhile, Sony is also a good option. I still think that each of the big brands has advantages and disadvantages. It comes down to personal preference and where you're willing to compromise. Lucky photographers are those who have the money for both systems and can find someone willing to carry the gear for them. The RF 600mm f/4 gives me the possibility to use also a 2.0x extender/converter. So I have 1200mm f/8. Is this with this 600mm and buil-in 1.4x converter possible? Can you use this lense with another converter? Or can be used this Nikon 600mm lens only with th ebuild-in converter? 840mm f/5.6 Yes I’m seeing all the positiv stuff of the Nikon Nikkor Z 600MM f/4 TC VR S. Let's see what Canon brings to the market in the next few years. Every brand tries to find something that makes it unique in order to reach more customers. Grüße aus Deutschland Uwe Frankfurt a.M., Germany
@@livejames9374 Thank you! WOW - That’s great! Amazing possibilities. WOW - I’m a bit speechless. Will wait another 2 years to see what Canon brings to the market. I hope Canon will have something that doesn't make me think about switching to Nikon. After around 45 years.
Thank you for your video and especially for the field test, dream combo ! If we compare the Canon RF 600mm f4 and this fabulous lens you just tested at 600mm, in terms of image quality only, for you which one is the winner?
Thanks for the video, just more camera equipment that I'm unable to afford. 😢😢😢😢😢 I'm glad that nikon is is stepping up their game and hopefully they will release new bodies with the autofocus abilities of the z9.😀
Have you checked out OM-1 and 150-400 f4.5 1.25 TC Pro? That’s the enthusiasts setup if you have 8500,- EUR to spare. That lens is incredibly lightweight, super sharp and has got a built in TC! I used one for two weeks and would get that combo for birding and wildlife.
@@jan_wegener that - indeed - is kind of the struggle. Maybe OM Systems Pacific’s is afraid of your comparison 🤣 - or Canon is, because you might switch
Well, Jan, although I'm subscribed to your channel, I have been a Nikon shooter since whenever the FE came out, your content is always informative and have learnt many skills and ideas here, Now I'm not sure I will get enough cash for this 78 year old kidney to buy (order) the 600 f4s, My Tamron 150- 600 G1 not working on the Z9, so looks like the boat gets sold :) Absolutely stunning images and PP BTW ! ............... Gary ................AU
My intention in the near future is to buy the Nikon Z 600 mm F6.3 , That one is one third cheaper and very easy to handle I have the Nikon Z9 and it can handle higher iso very well In the Netherlands I can buy one for 5799 Euro and the Nikon Z 600 mm F4 costs 17.249 Euro , almost triple the price of the Nikon Z 600 F6.3
Until the switch to the R5 I used the canon 200-400 with built in 1.4 TC for ten years and that was my only lens. It was a game changer lens and way way ahead of what anyone else had produced at the time so for me Canon started the trend but they simply didn’t follow through with it for any other lens.. That being said, even though the lens is amazing and very sharp (with that 1.4 TC versatility) I simply don’t use it and it gathers dust.. I much prefer the 100-500 just because I’m done with 3kg lenses, over long periods handheld isn’t an option, flying with big lenses is more and more and issue with carry on weight restrictions but I agree that the built in TC versatility is simply hands down a superb thing to have at your finger tips and for Nikon users the toggle switch is in the correct side, the 200-400 has the switch on the left side which isn’t very good for user ergonomics as your left hand is normally at the end of the lens taking the weight..
Z9 is overrated for dynamic birdlife phorography, but the only true option in Nikon. 600 f4 Nikon is a great lens, I love the tc incorporated, the price is crazy thou.
For same money. I would say this is better value: Nikon Z 400 mm f/2,8 TC VR S - TC build in 1.4x = 560 mm , TC 2x = 800 mm f 5.6 But still with cost 3 x Z9 = :( this is truly working professional only lens. :)
What I like about this review is that there is no Canon vs. Nikon bickering. I am a big fan of TCs. Being able to utilize a TC custom made for that lens by the flip of a switch is one of the smartest lens features. Apart from Zoom lenses. Zoom lenses can’t be made with apertures and image quality like fixed lenses.
All the brands are good in the end and each brand has some standouts the others don't have, like this Nikkor lens for instance. I use the gear that serves me well, but I am not attached to any brand and want to share my honest opinions with you. otherwise, what's the point.
What focus settings are you using? Is it animal autofocus? It seems lock on to the birds so well! On my Z7ii when it seems to just randomly hunt when I have it in that mode and never seems to lock onto the birds reliably.
Makes such sense or on teleconverter switch annoying having to change out the tele for speed changing angle and getting colours in the background like really adds interest and pop.lens drool lol
I'm a Nikon fan. I have Z9 with several lenses from Z14-24 to the 800 F6.3. All affordable to me. But these 400 and 600 TCs are way out of my range. Oh how I would love to have the 600 F4 TC.
@@jan_wegener True that. :) It took 12 months to get. While waiting I'd been doing most shooting with the z 100-400 + 2x TC. Since the 800, I can't yet say if my sharpness is much different ( I expect it is better) but boy the extra shutter speed is magic. Much less noise and if a stationary bird takes off, SHARP! LOL.
Looking at what lenses Nikon offers now, I am considering switching to Nikon gear now. I'm using a Canon R5+100-400 II combo but did not find a native RF replacement. Nikon offers native Z 400mm f/4.5 or Z 100-400mm lenses which have no equivalent on Canon's side.
@@jan_wegener I had 100-500 rented directly from Canon when it came out. Made some testing in the field and side-by-side testing along with my 100-400 II. I have mixed feelings, to be honest. 100-500 is not a bad lens but considering the price and other facts, it is not a big gain for me. Sadly, there is no RF lens capable of F/5.6 @ 400mm unless we count big whites.
Hi is there a way to do comparison on a few of the canon cameras? I have the r6 and am thinking of going to either the r3 or the newer)r6m 11 or waiting for the r5 m11 to come out rumored this year. Also I am shooting (it seems) mostly in the 600 + range (I have a sigma lens with a converter and an extension)- could you suggest a mirrorless lens as an alternative. mostly handehld and the sigma lens is a beast... - birds, horses, landscape, travel . (birds mostly for the far away lens :)
Hallo Jan, Wieder tolles Video👍🏻 Ja ist schin sehr verlockend, leider außerhalb meines Budges😂 Aber wenn ne kleinere günstigere Kamera wie eine Nikon Z8 kommt, dann wirds spannend zusammen mim Z800mm f6.3 PF😃
Thank for the video, I have a question about the lens grip.there is different screw size. What model of plate is needed to accept the two screw threads. Thank you
Hey, Jan, Nikon hardly started a trend of built in teleconverters! In fact, the 1st such lens was the old, manual focus Canon FD 1200mm 1.4X. But that was a special order only.... And not many were ordered as they were super expensive. The first production lens with built in TC was another Canon... The EF 200-400mm 1.4X. Nikon copied that with their F mount 180-400mm 1.4X. All that aside, I do think we will see more lenses with built in TC. But unless I win a lottery I'll never own one! I drew a line at $10,000, which only got me an EF 500mm f/4L IS USM, around 20 years ago 😢 I am sure Canon has various RF lenses on the drawing board... But they really need to launch and answer to the Z9 first. The Canon R3 is a formidable camera in many respects. But let's be honest... 24MP just isn't the same as 46MP! The need for a Canon R1 is getting more urgent every day! It needs to be 45 to 60MP with at least a BSI sensor. A global shutter would be even better!
Overall the R6 II is much easier to use and thus has an edge imo. In saying that the Nikon AF has mostly caught up, but it not as easy to use and sometimes not as reliable
Have been a Canon shooter for 20 years and the Z9 and the built in tele’s are so tempting. Nikon gets some stick from areas of the photo community but there is serious innovation in these camera’s and lenses that for wildlife make them incredibly practical
well said
Cameras are like the weather. There's an old saying, "If you don't like the weather, wait a minute!" The same is true with cameras. If you don't like the current offerings from your camera manufacturer, just wait a minute!
I have watched photographer friends take blood bath after blood bath (financially speaking) switching from one brand to another, and selling tons of gear at a loss, only to regret it a year or two later when their "old" manufacturer comes out with their "latest and greatest"! If you are heavily invested in one company or another, you are better off to "wait a minute" than jump ship, in my opinion.
@@alansach8437 well said
Just received mine today! My birthday present from my husband❤️❤️❤️❤️
Happy birthday!!
@@jan_wegener thank you!
For serious wildlife and nature photographers, the combination of the Nikon Z9 and the new suite of Nikon Z mount lenses offers a very compelling equipment solution.
They do for sure
I've just fully invested in the Sony system, but the Nikon Z mount is a very compelling option, the 400mm F4.5 is insane quality considering it's such a light lens and now with the nikon 200-600mm soon to be announced just further completes the system.
@@KurtisPape lens wise for us wildlife photographers it’s hard to beat atm
What a great combo Jan, out of my price range, but maybe in the future. Nikon is definitely coming in strong with their Z lenses. Great images as always.
It is probably out of most people's price range, unless you make money with it, but it sure is a great lens.
Thank you!
I shoot the Z9 and a 500PF and have great results, however the 400mm f2.8 TC and the 600mm f4 TC really have me with lens envy. Both are fabulous, but the decision one or the other is hard. One of these days I'm just going to pull the trigger and buy one. I hope I've made a decision by then! Great video Jan! I hope you pull that trigger too! Love your work!
Thank you! I find 400 too short so it’s an easy choice for me 😀
With regards to the focus ring positioning: with recent firmware, you are able to swap focusing to one of the function rings 👍
Great tip! I didn't;t know that. Only issue then is how narrow they are, but definitely easier to reach.
When it comes to Manual Focusing while hand-holding the lens (the 400/2.4 TC which has the same design): I keep the lens foot resting on my palm for support, allowing me to use my fingers for manual focusing. It can be uncomfortable for the palm, thus I use a fingerless padded biker's glove. Nikon has received a lot of abuse from many UA-camrs who have never really used the cameras/lenses and I am happy to see you giving an honest and informed opinion.
I do the same thing with my 200-500, it isnt the most practical thing in the world but gets the job done, also allows for both focus and zooming without moving my hand.
I just feel like holding the lenses by the body is so much more stable. And as you say it can get painful on the hand if you hold it by the foot.
I am not attached to any brand. I use what works for me and happy to share whatever I think of the gear I use.
Used this lens since February mounted on a monogimbal head, monopod, flagbearer-style harness combo. This makes it truly a walkabout and handholdable lens. Game changer for bird and small mammal photography with the 600 or 840 focal length.
In hindsight, I was fortunate that over the entire 2022 year the Z 400/2.8 TC never arrived and I could change my pre-order to the Z 600/4 TC.
Nice!
I have owned this lens since just about release date, and it has changed everything I do in the field. The image quality is spectacular, and even the price in my mind is justifiable as I almost feel like I have two lenses in one, without having to carry two lenses (and two bodies). Unless the other brands come out with a comparable lens, I just can't see myself going back to a 600mm f/4 without a built in TC. I have also owned the 400 TC, and I feel like that lens has even better image quality compared to the near perfect 600 TC.
Definitely hard to go back once you have used one.What wow'ed me the most was actually the image stabilisation
I initially ordered the 400tc due to the presumed image quality benefit and some early positive feedback from Matt Granger.
When the opportunity arose to get the 600tc instead ( there was no chance of ‘as well’), and without knowing how long the wait would be for the 400 tc, I jumped at the 600.
I love it and have no regrets but was curious about how much better the 400 picture quality was.
Alphonsus- do you feel there was a significant difference?
Thanks, Glenn.
As good as this video is, those stilt shots overshadow everything else. Simply breathtaking.
I have to admit, Canon's continued delay on the R1 - even information on the R1, have made me start paying more attention to other manufacturers. A platform change is terribly painful, even without the huge financial hit you take. But this lens would be a game-changer. I don't knew whether to thank you or curse you for the content, but it was enough to convince me to look more seriously at making a change.
Yes, I was very happy when I got them. I saw them at that spot a few days earlier and went back to get the shots. Never seen them on the beach.
Yes, changing systems is hard. I think if I went for this lens I would have this as my main long lens and keep the rest Canon for now. It's just hard for your fingers to remember all the different buttons on the different systems
Really great looking lens. My choice of the A1 and thus Sony system came down to size and weight (I'm 70). The Z9 is compelling but it felt like going back to a heavy DSLR which is the main reason I switched to mirrorless. I do admit that right now for wildlife/bird photography the firmware updates to the Z9 plus new lenses makes it a very compelling set up. I feel Sony has abandoned A1 users which is why I've been flirting with Canon.
Yes the Z9 is a heavy beast.
Sony’s lack of FW updates to the A1 is quite odd for sure
@@jan_wegener Standard operating procedure for Sony. They want to sell you a new camera instead. Not like Nikon who recently dropped new firmware for 10+ years old cameras and have been rolling some major new features on the new Z cameras through firmware.
Size and weight are important to a lot of people, but I think others actually like huge, heavy cameras. I think they feel they look more "professional ". For others, they like the "feel" in their hands of a DSLR style camera. It's more what they are used to.
In any case, don't make 70 sound old! I'm right there with you!
I'm always amazed Jan you haven't already changed over to Nikon. Best thing I ever did was swap my 1DX for the D500 and get the 500 PF, and now I have the Z9 and 400 f/4.5 which is a ridiculously light lens. Going forward I would really love to see Nikon offer a 500 f/4.5 with built-in 1.4x as this would be maybe 2.2kg max and with 46MP the 20% FL reduction compared to 600mm is not worth worrying about for vastly better portability and probably half the cost. Until then I will get the 800 f/6.3 as the 800 + 400 is about half the price of the 600 in Australia which costs $26K or so.
Good to see that you have finally caught up with the Nikon Z9, Nikkor Z S series lenses and the DxO software for low light small bird pics. After an 11 month wait my 800mm 6.3 PF was finally shipped to Australia. The 500mmPF with 1.4X TC on the Z9 does the job for me at the moment.
Nice, there have been a few 800 coming in
Greatest Lens and Combo with Z9 i ever had for Wildlife ...
It sure is very nice!
Just like I said in the comments two weeks ago, the BIG SWITCH is coming.
I shoot Nikon, but not the Z9. Waiting for the “Z850” before I upgrade and consider one of the big telephotos. In the meantime, I’m shooting the OM1 + 150-400 4.5 TC pro lens ….. and loving this combo. Like the big Z lenses it has the TC flip switch next to my middle finger, instantly taking the lens as long as 1000 mm ffe. Getting great shots with it and many of the so called weaknesses of M43 (DOF, noise) are heavily overblown by the full frame junkies.
Give it a whirl, Jan. For size, weight, reach and cost, there is no better bird and wildlife combo.
Yeah, I have tried a few times to get that combo for a spin, but no luck
Its a great combo, the 20mp M43 Sony stacked sensor is amazing. I wish to see it in more travel format bodies packed with the newest software and decent zoom.
I was just lent the z 800 6.3 on a nepal assignment loved it so fast so light so sharp
Awesome, I will get one of them soon too
I really enjoy the images you produce. The vibrant colors are always on point.
Thank you!
Fantastic pictures. Thank you. I'm looking forward to your Z 9 review with tips about autofocus. I shoot with a Z 7 and a Z 9, but ten months into Z 9 use, I still find it overwhelming. Of course, your photographic expertise is the foundation of your thrilling pictures, irrespective of gear.
Yes, not an easy camera to master
Agreed. It has taken me longer to learn how to pre-set my brain so that I get the camera ready, pick the appropriate settings and operate it efficiently without feeling somewhat overwhelmed by all the options etc (and the moving autofocus indicators). New cameras usually take me about six months to feel completely comfortable with. It’s always a pleasure once I get to that stage. The Z9 has taken much much longer. I am however enjoying it more and more each time I use it. I got just over a year ago. The firmware updates have helped but it is still a camera with SO many options to work your way through, understand and then get comfortable with using.
It's hard not to have gear envy with a review like that. I'm envious of the lorikeets you have occasion to photograph. They look like they've been tie dyed. Wow! Another great video.
Thanks for watching Bruce. Yes the lorikeets are quite fun but dominate all other birds too
Thanks for the presentation, Jan. I've currently been using the Nikon Z9 with previous f-mount 600mm f/4 E FL ED VR, and this lens is definitely a want - but your video almost makes it a need. Appreciate your review of handholding through the viewfinder footage and the shots at slow "shutter" speeds. The main issue (other than price) is availability. Interestingly, the 600mm f/4 TC seems to be a bit easier to come by than the 400mm f/2.8 (year wait). Keep the videos coming. I had given up on the idea of putting anything toward this lens and selling my old one till now. LOL Good thing it is a day of rest (Sunday).
I just wanted to say again how much I enjoy and learn from your videos, even the gear review-oriented ones that feature lenses I won’t be able to own (at least any time soon). Seeing your settings, techniques, and results well-sprinkled throughout all videos is so helpful.
Oh, and if I ever win the lottery, this lens is #1 on my list for splurge purchases. What an amazing offering by Nikon.
Great to hear!
Was waiting for this review. Thanks for the review. I own a Z9 but this lens is out of my budget. If I were a pro photographer, I'd jump on it.
And really amazing photos/vids. Well done, Jan.
Thank you! It's one of the best lenses I have used to date.
Being a hobbyist myself I don't aim on this Lens, but Z9 is definitely in my list. Z9+Z800mm f/6.3 pf is my dream combo.
Cameras are obsolite for 1 year or less while lenses will serve you whole life if you keep them properly. My advise is to invest more in lenses, not cameras.
I currently have the 800mm its an amazing lens and performs well, can fault it even though its a 6.3
Yes, the 800 looks to be a great lens, too. I will get one in the next couple months
Thanks for review. As a hobbyist, need a lottery win for this so scraping around with 100-400 and waiting Soooo long for 1.4TC. Might have to consider 800mm or the 200-600mm if it comes out in the next few years!
Finally the video I've been waiting for
Took a while to make and edit 😀
I also feel tempted to get a nikon z9 and this amazing lens, thanks for a great review. I have a R5 and I have the old 600 mm f4 mk2 that I bought used 2015 and I have the eos 400mm f4 mk2 with I find really nice for longer hiking often with the 1,4 extender.
Thanks for sharing!
Nice vid -- I have both the 600 and 400 and took both plus the 100-400 to kenya last month where I had a great time. I took over 20,000 shots and many hours of vids - but about 13,439 of these were with the 400/2.8TC and "only" 5645 were with the 600/4.0TC -- maybe this was because I focus on big cats often ion low light, we saw almost no cheetah chases and for some of the time it was very hot -- causing unacceptably high levels of heat haze when shooting at distance.
Both lenses are hand holdable on a Z9. They function almost identically - but I find the location of the control and function rings inconvenient so taped over them both. Since it had been raining grass height was often high and so being able to manually focus to look through the grass was also key -- the Z9's area AF modes do tend to grab focus on the nearest object (with SD on or without) and this can frequently be a grass stem in front of the eye/head. One has to shoot with enough DOF (typ f/8).
If I had to choose only one of these lenses it would be the 400/2.8TC - that is because small birds are very much a minority of the subject I shoot - the 400/560 gives me what I need. BUT -- YES the 600/840 is a huge advantage when you need to reach in -- but only when it is cool that heat haze does not spoil the work.
Thanks for sharing! Nice set up!
Yes, grass is a big challenge for all AF systems.
Really enjoyed the "in the field" content, and especially the story of the fabulous Black-necked Stilt shot - Great stuff!
Thank you
Great video with impressive and engaging footage as usual. I have been a Nikon user for quite a while. I think the lens looks like a brilliant innovation. I hope other manufacturers take note. It is not the only feature they should copy from Nikon. The sensor shield and the no blackout dual stream viewfinder are also good indications of features everyone should adopt.
I have had the Z9 for about a year. It has been a steep learning curve but it is delivering on the promise of producing very pleasing results. I often find that I have so many shots in focus that I can focus on composition and creativity. I would love the 600 TC S series lens. it looks like it also adds a great deal to improving the process of taking excellent photographs. The price is however way too steep for me.
Thanks for sharing
Looking forward to the new z9 video. Especially so you can explain the wide area which is then 3d with AF-ON! 😂
I will. It’s the only way I found that works well in almost all cases
I've had mine now for about 2 months. LOVE it... Though I am struggling a little but with getting sharp images when shooting at 840mm. At 600mm it's amazing. More testing is needed. I shoot alpine ski racing so it's a little more complicated than wildlife / bif. I went with the Z9 not so much because of the body but because of the 400/2.8 TC and the 600/4 TC.. Having the builtin TC is a game changer for me. I highly doubt that Sony or Canon will re release their 400/600 primes with built TC in quite some time if ever. Nikon really did their homework when releasing the 400/600mm lens with built in TC's. I expect Canon to release a new 200-400/4TC as this is a very popular lens in the sports community
I did have a few times where the AF was slightly off with the extender at close range, but didn't happen enough to draw any conclusions from that.
Yes, I also don't think we will see TC primes from Sony or Canon soon.
Not this lens but the Nikkor 800mm 6.3 is the true killer if you are into bird photography. Truly a game changer for me.
If money were of no concern, would you still say that? I have the 800PF and consider "upgrading" to the 600/4TC.
@@biologyuppsala5389 Yes. As there is no 'upgrade' from the 800mm pf to the 600mm. With TC the sharpness is degraded and it becomes 'worse' than the 800mm. So, where is the upgrade here? Also, I am into small passerine birds, I need focal length. In case I use the 600mm almost all the time with TC on then I can also use the 800mm from beginning. The 600mm does not make sense for me. Maybe the 400mm yes, or the 400mm 4.5.
@@josefmolina3510 well the bokeh in the 800 is not great unless you manage to get an empty background. But if you never need 600 or f/4 then your choice makes sense. With 800mm there is no alternative if you get too close to a bigger bird though...
@@biologyuppsala5389 Cannot confirm this as I used also the 600mm f/4. The 800mm is lighter and with more reach. And it is sharper than the 600mm with activated TC. Bokeh wise, no complaint at all here, just compare the same scene with both lenses and you will see it. It is not 3x better than with the 800mm, if you want to compare it that way.
@@biologyuppsala5389 haven’t heard anyone say anything negative about the 800mm’s bokeh. What kind of issues do you find unpleasant with it?
Great video as usual... I am hoping Nikon will bring this built in TC to its pf lens ranges sometime soon 😊
Waiting for the Z9 setting video
That would be cool!
hey Jan Wegener, with your very Dutch name :). Great video. I won't be buying the 600 anytime soon because I bought the 100-400 yesterday. Still, it's thanks to great creative and technically very experienced photographers like you, that I get to form some conclusive predictions about the working of lenses, their handling, their character, and what they could do for me and in my work.
So, the 100-400 is part of this same family of Z tele glass as the 600. I've been working with it for exactly one day now. I love myself for having bought it, finally, based on a huge pile of information thanks to content makers like you.
One remark about teleglass that I'd like to make is that it's never 'lightweight', but always heavy, even while some Z-lensen weigh less than their F-counterparts. You don't notice that weight so much because of the fantastic VR indeed, that damps out a lot of the fine corrections you'd otherwise make while pointing, following and focusing subjects under extended full concentration, and that can wear you down. These lenses are not lightweight but they certainly feel that way once you put them to your eye. Both ways, I think, you get a lot of substance for your buck.
The 100-400 is a great lens. I made video a bout it a while ago.
I have been shooting wildlife and birds for a long time using Canon's 100-400 4.5-5.6 and a 500 f4 (with and without 1.4 teleconverter) as my basic gear. Those lenses followed me to mirrorless via adapters. Been pretty happy with that setup, but I have to tell you, the new Nikon 180-600 5.6-6.3 is a sweet lens. Though I am not a brand swapper, I do have to wonder why every other manufacturer can come out with a similar lens, all under two grand, and the best Canon can do is a slower (at the long end...the end that counts) 100-500 4.5-7.1 for a thousand dollars more! Nice lens, no doubt, but come on! If you want to touch 600mm in a sub $2,000.00 lens from Canon, you are looking at a 600mm f11. F11!
The 100-500 is a better 100-400, then it makes a lot of sense. Hopefully Canon will introduce something else
Merci beaucoup Jan pour le teste.
I made the Switch from Minolta in 1972 and havent looked back since >> Canon in those days were basically a Printer Copier Co
Thanks for sharing another wonderful video like always 🐦🤗👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Olympus have had the 150-400 F/4.5 with a built-in 1.25 TC for a while. The flexibility is hard to beat. The price is not bad either.
Nice set up for sure. I'd love to try it
Hallo Jan. Sehr praktisch, was Nikon mit dem integrierten TC geschafft hat. Nun sollte aber endlich ein neuer Body folgen, der unterhalb der Z9 trotzdem die Motiverkennung und den AF der Z9 mitbringt. Die Objektive gibt es nun , es fehlen weitere Kameras, die leichter und etwas günstiger sind. Gruß aus D. Jörg.
Da stimme ich dir zu
The lenses are not available- at least in the USA - people are on wait lists for over a year now…
Some Amazing Images, Jan.
Glad you like them!
Is use my Canon 100-400is ii with my Z6ii with the fringer ef-nz and i cant notice any difference versus native lenses. I recently received my Z8 and the adapter works even better with this camera.i know people perhaps are reluctant to adapting lenses across brands but this adapter really is a breakthrough. Not making a comercial. I do own mostly nikon f and z lenses.
Jan I don't know if you remember it was Canon that started the built-in teleconverter with the 200 to 400 lens .
I look at it as a gimmick why not use your existing teleconverters that you have on lenses that weigh less .
That's just my input their Jan but there might be other people to feel different let's hear from them as well .
Great objective, hands on review. Thank you!
Stunning Images
Thank you!
Nikon always produced killer wildlife combos. This one is no exception. Eventually they will dominate that market again as with DSLRs.
They really need to step up the camera game. The lens line up for wildlife is sick!
Give the Z8 15fps mechanical and 30 electronics, same body system and buttons like the Z9 but without inbuilt grip,make all the buttons customizable,make the dedicated af button switchable (not needing to tap on it and rotate a dial),add zebra stripping for exposure monitoring ,4k is enough,dual cfexpress type B card slots,even an improved af over the Z9 and grip also available on release .
And sit back to enjoy a huge success.
Excellent user’s review backed up by gorgeous photos! 👏🏾👍🏾🙏🏾
Glad you liked it!
And yes a built in teleconverter on other lenses would be brilliant (if affordable). I hate swapping TC's around - its such a nuisance. P.s. Out of interest what plate do you use for the lens foot. And do you have a video on travel tripods or recommendations at all for lightweight foldable ones?
I think in this video I used a Wimberley Lens Plate.
Tripod for a big lens like this?
Nikon for the WIN, you should def switch! Nikon is a trendsetter and innovator. :)
One thing you might not track but which would be helpful for reviews would be stats on how many pictures you took, how many you considered potentially usable, and how many you picked to edit immediately. Compared across camera & lens combos that could give a more objective idea of how good the AF is. Of course some of that is dependent on the photographer's skill, and some is dependent on the behavior of the birds, so it's not perfect.
I probably took right around 20k images.
I did not keep less or more than I’d normally keep with my canon gear.
The main difference I noticed was that I missed the 40fps of the R6 II in situations like the fighting stilts. It does give you more options of wing positions etc.
once the AF hit it was pretty good. If anything it sometimes missed and I did not even get to take photos on that particular scene
Yes indeed! I want one but when the heck are we going to be able to buy one. It's always out of stock. Same with the new 85mm lens. It's pretty hard to stay with them if they make you wait sooooooo long to buy stuff. Come on NIKON get the stuff out!!! Great video Jan and thanks for sharing...
Yes availability is a bit frustrating
Impressive Jan, handholding the value of a small car in the middle of a pool, getting as low as possible without getting the pants wet .. just to take such a truly amazing shot of those stilts 🤩👍 Looks like you were confident there were no crocodiles able to spook you ;-)
Sounds like Nikon is strong in the money-no-object category, and I'd love for Canon to provide similar TC included options.
hehe! You spotted my main concern in that situation. Keeping the shorts dry :D
@@jan_wegener *LOL* genau !
Nice video mate!
Thanks!
I will not switch from my R5 and my RF 100-500. I am happy with this Combo.
It's a great combo!
Stunning Video as ever, Jan. Many Thanks for yet another great release. Unfortunately with the use of an obvious click bait title, I have but 1 concern. You did't answer your own Question!
Normal Hardworking "Hobbyist" photographers of course cannot, nor will not spend that ridiculous amount on a lens. Clearly a Pro photographer many be able to add such a thing to their camera bag. Would You switch?
Cause I don’t have a clear answer yet. I am very tempted but I’d like to see what Nikons next cameras will be and what the R1 will be like.
The image stabilisation alone would make this worthwhile for me
Sony better come out with a 600mm with tele asap other wise I’m changing systems!
I don’t see that happening soon, but who knows
You seem to have fully recovered and are looking way better than before, that's good to know. So, you know what my question is, but I saw your reply to Joseph below. So, let me ask you a more specific question, for people who are still not ready to fork out US$16K for a full-fledged big prime, which of the following do you believe to be the best combo?
- Canon R5 + RF 100-500mm F/4.5-7.1
- Sony A1 + FE 200-600 F/5.6-6.3
- Nikon Z9 + Z 800mm F/6.3 VR
By the way, I am still concerned about Nikon's AF and tracking, will you be covering that in the coming Nikon Z9 firmware update review video? Also, will you be testing your mate's Z 800mm F/6.3 with the Z9? Based on your answer to Joseph below, if I am not wrong you seem to be saying it is still not ideal (too complicated to use) and not quite up to par with Canon and Sony although it is getting close?
Thank you, feeling pretty good atm. Fingers crossed it’ll statt that way.
I will get an 800 from Nikon soon, that should make the answer easier.
It’s a very tough question to answer.
Later this year there may be a Nikon 200-600 as well.
@@jan_wegener I guess the question is how sharp is the Z 800mm f/6.3 PF prime as compared to the zooms? And while it might be a lot cheaper than the true big primes, is it really worth US$6.5K? I am not sure whether the coming Nikon 200-600mm will matter that much when the A1 combo already has the FE 200-600mm that everyone loves plus the A1 by right should trump the Z9 at least in terms of AF/tracking.
@@Rascallucci I'll get one some time in May I think
Despise putting a TC on a Canon 100-500. Having to extend the lens to get it on makes an irritating operation even more so, and slower. Built-in is the future for wildlife.
Yes, it's especially painful on that lens!
Now I understand Nikon's argument about the bigger Z mount.
In Australia this lens is $27499. Very few if any photographers will be able to justify buying it. Instead, it will be the Doctors, Dentists, and Lawyers who take less photos in ten years than I do every day buying it. The inbuilt TC is a great idea though - I've seen it on the 150-400 Olympus lens as well. Would be great to see it trickle down to affordable lenses - but not sure it will be possible given diffraction issues using TC's on slower lenses.
Yes built in TCs are definitely nice.
I am Nikon schootter and will definitely buy this lens. There is out of question for an amateur photographer to think about switching the system. Way to expensive.
Canon Nikon and Sony will stay in the market. All three brands are great.
Nice review, I'm waiting for my 600mm to be fulfilled, hopefully getting a loaner for my trip to Costa Rica in just under 2 weeks time.
Fingers crossed!
Hello Jan! great video and images as always. I own this combo for over two months now and have yet to use any kind of support for it. I normally use large area as my main AF and have the spring loaded ring one way to auto area and the other way to 3D, that way I don't have to worry about changing settings by mistake, since the ring returns to the original position as soon as I let it go. I have the other ring (the one you can rotate) set to ISO and I have no issues changing the value inadvertently either since I handhold with the foot in the normal position and is away from my hand and fingers.
Thanks for sharing
Thank you so much for this video! Mine 600 TC is preordered but I get switching thoughts because of the AF of Nikon cameras. Since the last Update (3.10) I am much happier with the Z9. I keep thinking and wait, till the 600 is waiting for me in the store. Why is there no manufacturer independent lens mount? :D
The AF has come a long way for sure.
loved it
Great to hear!
At those price ranges, built in teleconverters should have been standard issue
Heck they should include both the 1.4 and 2.0 teleconverters in the same lens
That would be nice, but it would also get quite long and heavier
Another Great Video. Very Annoyingly its not in my budget (crying emoji) but what an AWESOME LENS. I want it !!
Hi Jan, and here's the next great video of you. This 600mm with built-in 1.4x extender is great and offers a lot of possibilities. It's smaller and lighter than my RF 600mm f/4. Handheld photography is much easier with such a lens, as you have shown us. Also the hand luggage suitability for flights.
BTW - I can also carry my RF 600mm f/4 as hand luggage in my old Lowepro Vertex 300 😉
Okay without the lens hood, but it is possible.
But is one better Lens a reason to switch to Nikon?
Not really for me. In the past, I've seen a lot of photographers switch from Canon to Nikon and also from Nikon to Canon. And some of them switched back to the previous brand.
Meanwhile, Sony is also a good option. I still think that each of the big brands has advantages and disadvantages. It comes down to personal preference and where you're willing to compromise.
Lucky photographers are those who have the money for both systems and can find someone willing to carry the gear for them.
The RF 600mm f/4 gives me the possibility to use also a 2.0x extender/converter. So I have 1200mm f/8. Is this with this 600mm and buil-in 1.4x converter possible? Can you use this lense with another converter?
Or can be used this Nikon 600mm lens only with th ebuild-in converter? 840mm f/5.6
Yes I’m seeing all the positiv stuff of the Nikon Nikkor Z 600MM f/4 TC VR S.
Let's see what Canon brings to the market in the next few years.
Every brand tries to find something that makes it unique in order to reach more customers.
Grüße aus Deutschland
Uwe
Frankfurt a.M., Germany
You can use the Z 600 with a 2x teleconverter (or a second 1.4x) and have 1200mm or 1680mm when activating the built in 1.4x in combination with a 2x.
@@livejames9374 Thank you!
WOW - That’s great! Amazing possibilities. WOW - I’m a bit speechless.
Will wait another 2 years to see what Canon brings to the market.
I hope Canon will have something that doesn't make me think about switching to Nikon. After around 45 years.
Brutal!
Thank you for your video and especially for the field test, dream combo !
If we compare the Canon RF 600mm f4 and this fabulous lens you just tested at 600mm, in terms of image quality only, for you which one is the winner?
For birding, it is hard to argue against your raised points, and results. So maybe this is the ideal set up?
It’s comes pretty close
Thanks for the video, just more camera equipment that I'm unable to afford. 😢😢😢😢😢 I'm glad that nikon is is stepping up their game and hopefully they will release new bodies with the autofocus abilities of the z9.😀
fingers crossed!
I'm going to purchase the master classes and the presets. I'm getting a new MACMINI so once that arrives!
Great 😊
Have you checked out OM-1 and 150-400 f4.5 1.25 TC Pro? That’s the enthusiasts setup if you have 8500,- EUR to spare. That lens is incredibly lightweight, super sharp and has got a built in TC! I used one for two weeks and would get that combo for birding and wildlife.
I’d love to try it out but have not been able to get that kit
@@jan_wegener that - indeed - is kind of the struggle. Maybe OM Systems Pacific’s is afraid of your comparison 🤣 - or Canon is, because you might switch
@@simonheereman1616 I’ll just tell the truth 😀
Well, Jan, although I'm subscribed to your channel, I have been a Nikon shooter since whenever the FE came out, your content is always informative and have learnt many skills and ideas here,
Now I'm not sure I will get enough cash for this 78 year old kidney to buy (order) the 600 f4s,
My Tamron 150- 600 G1 not working on the Z9, so looks like the boat gets sold :)
Absolutely stunning images and PP BTW !
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Thanks Gary. It is a tempting lens
My intention in the near future is to buy the Nikon Z 600 mm F6.3 , That one is one third cheaper and very easy to handle I have the Nikon Z9 and it can handle higher iso very well In the Netherlands I can buy one for 5799 Euro and the Nikon Z 600 mm F4 costs 17.249 Euro , almost triple the price of the Nikon Z 600 F6.3
That lens is excellent for sure
For that price I would hope the lens will perform 😏thank you for your review!
You’re welcome 😊
Thanks Jan, for me to buy this lens I would have to give up eating for a few years😅👀👀
Until the switch to the R5 I used the canon 200-400 with built in 1.4 TC for ten years and that was my only lens. It was a game changer lens and way way ahead of what anyone else had produced at the time so for me Canon started the trend but they simply didn’t follow through with it for any other lens.. That being said, even though the lens is amazing and very sharp (with that 1.4 TC versatility) I simply don’t use it and it gathers dust.. I much prefer the 100-500 just because I’m done with 3kg lenses, over long periods handheld isn’t an option, flying with big lenses is more and more and issue with carry on weight restrictions but I agree that the built in TC versatility is simply hands down a superb thing to have at your finger tips and for Nikon users the toggle switch is in the correct side, the 200-400 has the switch on the left side which isn’t very good for user ergonomics as your left hand is normally at the end of the lens taking the weight..
Z9 is overrated for dynamic birdlife phorography, but the only true option in Nikon. 600 f4 Nikon is a great lens, I love the tc incorporated, the price is crazy thou.
For same money. I would say this is better value: Nikon Z 400 mm f/2,8 TC VR S - TC build in 1.4x = 560 mm , TC 2x = 800 mm f 5.6
But still with cost 3 x Z9 = :( this is truly working professional only lens. :)
Depends what you are photographing. For my personally 400 is too short
Great video, unfortunately I’d have to sell my house for the z9 and 600 combo I also believe that canon will follow with a 600 with teleconverter
What I like about this review is that there is no Canon vs. Nikon bickering. I am a big fan of TCs. Being able to utilize a TC custom made for that lens by the flip of a switch is one of the smartest lens features. Apart from Zoom lenses. Zoom lenses can’t be made with apertures and image quality like fixed lenses.
Good point. I think as photographers, we are all blessed with the gear each brand offers.
All the brands are good in the end and each brand has some standouts the others don't have, like this Nikkor lens for instance. I use the gear that serves me well, but I am not attached to any brand and want to share my honest opinions with you. otherwise, what's the point.
What focus settings are you using? Is it animal autofocus? It seems lock on to the birds so well! On my Z7ii when it seems to just randomly hunt when I have it in that mode and never seems to lock onto the birds reliably.
Yes, eye tracking for animals. The z9 is much improved in that area compared to Z7 series
It's a combo I would love but it's way beyond my budget. I will have to win the lottery I think. 😁
I think you should 😄
Awesome review mate, when does your copy turn up 🙂 That really does look like the ultimate lens, I hope Canon watch this. Cheers, Duade
Hehe, not yet, but it’s hard to forget about it 😢😆
Wish I could afford that lens!
Definitely very pricy!
Makes such sense or on teleconverter switch annoying having to change out the tele for speed changing angle and getting colours in the background like really adds interest and pop.lens drool lol
Wow what an awesome lens. Would be great if Canon came up with something similar. I will then have to consider selling a kidney to get the lens :)
That would be cool!
I'm a Nikon fan. I have Z9 with several lenses from Z14-24 to the 800 F6.3. All affordable to me. But these 400 and 600 TCs are way out of my range. Oh how I would love to have the 600 F4 TC.
The 800 is a great consolidation price :)
@@jan_wegener True that. :) It took 12 months to get. While waiting I'd been doing most shooting with the z 100-400 + 2x TC. Since the 800, I can't yet say if my sharpness is much different ( I expect it is better) but boy the extra shutter speed is magic. Much less noise and if a stationary bird takes off, SHARP! LOL.
Looking at what lenses Nikon offers now, I am considering switching to Nikon gear now. I'm using a Canon R5+100-400 II combo but did not find a native RF replacement. Nikon offers native Z 400mm f/4.5 or Z 100-400mm lenses which have no equivalent on Canon's side.
Hold another month when the Nikon Z8 is expected be launched. It will be an interesting choice between the Z8 and Z9.
What bout the 100-500?
@@jan_wegener I had 100-500 rented directly from Canon when it came out. Made some testing in the field and side-by-side testing along with my 100-400 II. I have mixed feelings, to be honest. 100-500 is not a bad lens but considering the price and other facts, it is not a big gain for me. Sadly, there is no RF lens capable of F/5.6 @ 400mm unless we count big whites.
Nice shots.. What's with the blown out whites?
Hi is there a way to do comparison on a few of the canon cameras? I have the r6 and am thinking of going to either the r3 or the newer)r6m 11 or waiting for the r5 m11 to come out rumored this year. Also I am shooting (it seems) mostly in the 600 + range (I have a sigma lens with a converter and an extension)- could you suggest a mirrorless lens as an alternative. mostly handehld and the sigma lens is a beast... - birds, horses, landscape, travel . (birds mostly for the far away lens :)
Hallo Jan,
Wieder tolles Video👍🏻
Ja ist schin sehr verlockend, leider außerhalb meines Budges😂
Aber wenn ne kleinere günstigere Kamera wie eine Nikon Z8 kommt, dann wirds spannend zusammen mim Z800mm f6.3 PF😃
Das stimmt
Thank for the video, I have a question about the lens grip.there is different screw size. What model of plate is needed to accept the two screw threads. Thank you
normally the lens plates come with an insert that can come into the bigger screw hole, so you have to similar sized holes
My Z9 would love that lens, but the price simply more than I can handle.
Thanks for the info Jan, Question If you had to choose between the 600 f/4 or the 400 2.8 mirrorless lenses which one would you choose? Thanks
For me personally I always chose a 600. 400 is just way too short for me
Hey, Jan, Nikon hardly started a trend of built in teleconverters! In fact, the 1st such lens was the old, manual focus Canon FD 1200mm 1.4X. But that was a special order only.... And not many were ordered as they were super expensive.
The first production lens with built in TC was another Canon... The EF 200-400mm 1.4X. Nikon copied that with their F mount 180-400mm 1.4X.
All that aside, I do think we will see more lenses with built in TC. But unless I win a lottery I'll never own one! I drew a line at $10,000, which only got me an EF 500mm f/4L IS USM, around 20 years ago 😢
I am sure Canon has various RF lenses on the drawing board... But they really need to launch and answer to the Z9 first. The Canon R3 is a formidable camera in many respects. But let's be honest... 24MP just isn't the same as 46MP! The need for a Canon R1 is getting more urgent every day! It needs to be 45 to 60MP with at least a BSI sensor. A global shutter would be even better!
Let's call it recent trend then :D
We do need an R1 for sure.
Nice video and lens! Any news on Canon tele zoom lenses?
I'll make a video this week :)
Wonderful Images Jan !! How do u compare the autofocus here to that on the R6 ii that u reviewed recently?
Overall the R6 II is much easier to use and thus has an edge imo. In saying that the Nikon AF has mostly caught up, but it not as easy to use and sometimes not as reliable