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“The decline in Accord sales isn’t strictly a Honda issue. Cars in general have been in a multi-year sales decline as consumers flock to crossovers and sport-utility vehicles.”
Correct ! Same reason GM got rid of the impala
Yes, most consumers. Buy SUV because they hate the sloping C pillar of modern sedans affecting rear headroom space.
This is due to stupid car designers designing sloping rear to achieve lower drag coefficient to get better fuel mileage whereby consumers hate buying this kind of sloping rear design sedan . Eg .Mercedes CLA, CLS, , Volvo S60 2000 till 2019 ( cannot sell), Audi A5, Peugeot 508, Opel Insignia,
Ford Mondeo , VW PASSAT CC,
Another one sedan forecast with low sales volume will be new Honda Civic .( Sloping rear roof design )
@@konsen6149 Fair, but I wouldn't place the blame on rear slope issues as this would also increase sales of wagons and hatchbacks due to its lack of one. What's actually causing SUVs to skyrocket is a combination of very basic things such as prices being equivalent to what the Accord and Civic are asking, more practicality in comparison to the hatchbacks and wagons we have on sale, a higher-grade of comfort, the bonus of it being guaranteed to handle many weather conditions, and the benefit of safety because the SUV will never lose in a crash (even though it sucks at avoiding them)
EDIT: and if we take a look at a country like Japan, who has placed very strong taxes on larger vehicles, SUVs are pretty much non-existent and are favored for lesser priced vehicles. It may also help that these cars are forced to get smaller in order to comply with the tight Japanese roads (which is why the Suzuki Jimny exists)
In Europe, the same thing can be said. SUVs are too big for the roads in Europe and some places it's impossible to drive with them without worrying about hitting something. While SUV sales have been on an incline in Europe as of recently, these have been regulated to the smaller class SUVs (compact and subcompact SUVs)
@@heart4011 yes heed your reply .
Honestly and realistically speaking the new version of sloping rear design Honda accord does not sell well over this side .
Buyer over this side do not like or buy sloping rear design sedan .
European cars with sloping rear design sedan faces poor sales to the extend of extinction despite many sales promotions and offerings.
The Japanese and Korean are smarter , especially Toyota , Mitsubishi, Nissan , Hyundai , their less sloping rear sedan sell very well compare to other European makers with sloping rear sedan so call sporty sedan ( non functional ) .
This is the fact over here .
If sedans sat up higher and had a useable trunk with AWD they’d sell.
A lot of us do not want turbo charged engines nor CTV transmissions
Bingo!
You nailed it!
Maybe people that are somewhat car knowledgeable prefer no turbo or CVT. But for the majority or regular consumer, like myself, I don’t care or don’t mind. I prefer a smooth car with transmission jerking. Especially, women, mommy, men too, don’t tend to care much. Just my perspective, no disrespect.
Yep, turbo charged engines wear out faster, CVT transmission is a bit jankety.
The Accord is a great car. The reason for the drop in sales is that there is less demand for sedans and more demand for SUVs. It is worth considering if you are looking for a comfortable ride.
I agree. People aren't buying as many sedans any more.
Its the CVT, talked to mechanics that only do transmission work they recommend to never buy ANY car brand with a CVT. They are not meant to last.
I’ve never purchased a Honda for myself or family to drive 2 new Toyota’s turned me no comparison to a Cadillac Mercedes Benz or Lincoln. Honda and Toyota don’t compare to Hyundai why risk your family’s lives?
The Honda Accord used to be a great car. In the 90s. Hondas of the 2000s and beyond had major catastrophic problems related to the transmission prematurely failing and other major systems failures.
@@seektruthd4419 I wish people would stop saying this. Honda CVTs are extremely reliable. There are performance, and preference, reasons for not liking CVTs but the reliability shtick is massively overstated.
Another thing to consider: the civic has grown in size and retains much of the same styling as the accord for much less $. I’m interested to see if some Accord buyers have jumped down to the smaller vehicle.
Great point for persons on a budget. I think the push button gear selector is also a turn off...
This! The civic overtime is just a better overall car then accord. Especially the 2022 si. Way better screen better fuel economy etc
They to dam expensive in my opinion
People love SUVs -- which are really just Tall Cars these days. Once upon a time they were trucks and didn't have to have good mileage or the same safety features. Families have so many better options than the accord and then there are the Korean makes that look super cool and are a touch cheaper. Really who is the ideal Accord owner these days? Think about. It isn't families, it isn't upscale professionals. Not young buyers or singles. Who is the Accord for if middle American families would all rather have an SUV?
I actually upgraded from a 2019 civic to a 2021 accord I really think its a worth while upgrade
You can't sell what you don't have. Honda is dedicating very little production resources to the Accord, instead focusing on the CRV and new Civic.
Exactly. They dont have any to sell.
Also for basically same price you get an suv with AWD so why get a sedan?
SUVs and dealer inventory is the real problem. The last time I went to my local Honda dealer they barely had any vehicles on the lot. Also Honda isn’t big on fleet sales so that’s another issue.
I’m still loving my Touring 2.0T.
I got rid of my 2019 Touring 2.0T after only one year of owning it.
Great car never get the 1.5
Its sad that this current generation Accord hasn’t sold as much as the 9th generation. This is by far the best Accord they’ve made and it looks sooo elegant and unique. Even though its in its last year of production, it’s aged gracefully.
The reason why sales are falling is simple. Have you checked the price on an Accord lately? I'm not paying it. Last one I bought was in 2010. Loved the car but I also go a great deal on it.
These new accord MSRP base model LX is closer to $30K than $20K ! (USA). It’s crazy.
@@levimagnusson5880 That is to be expected, as with most cars these days. The USD is a depreciating asset, and that depreciation has accelerated over the past 2 years. Look up a inflation calculator. 30K in 2016 is the equivalent in 2022 of $35.5K; and that is with the cooked CPI numbers. The car(s) would have only gotten cheaper if priced in almost any other inflation resistant asset....SPY/Apple/google shares, gold, BTC, ECT.
Did you forget we are also still in a pandemic?
@@goosty17 i don’t mean based on market value, I’m talking about msrp, that is set by manufacturers and isn’t affected by inflation, sales price is effected by inflation
@@levimagnusson5880 Of course the MSRP is affected by inflation. The dollar the MSRP is priced in is physically worth less and less over time; the manufacturer needs to raise said MSRP to achieve the same monetary value that it did before. Again; even going by the ever increasing MSRP; the car would have only gotten cheaper when priced in the number of assets that have held their monetary value against inflation.
Nothing is wrong with the accord. The issue in reality is the market of Cars not in stock with chip issues and dealers charging max dollars for them. Also personally, the rear end is the ugliest but overall the accord is a great car for anyone in need. Finally, jobs are not out there where folk can afford the accord at 37k
New car dealers are lying about car shortage so they can charge over MSRP, glad that nonsense MSRP overcharge isnt happening in Canada......
So true!
I can’t get over the front of the car. It’s just ugly. Throw an older nose and more head room on it and you have a winner
I think that whether we like it or not Honda are sort of becoming a "luxury" brand, in the sense that you can get similar sized Chevys, Kiss, Mazdas, etc. But some people (like myself and my family) would rather spend the extra money to have the luxury of reliability and dependability.
I owned a 2019 Accord EXL and after six months I got rid of it. A rough ride, road noise and software glitches gallore were the main problems with the car.. The turbo lag was apparent and the CVT transmission took getting used to.
i will never buy honda anymore.. my old 2020 honda accord gave me hard time
Yes, Honda ain't what is used to me. More bean counters, fewer engineers.
should have stuck to Ford then
@@angusp5515 Ford is way worse than honda
@@user-bd9lw9jp9t was being sarcastic there.
I don't know about most people, but I can feel the difference between a naturally aspirated engine and turbo because I've owned both. Though the turbo is quicker I HATE turbo lag, it drives me nuts. Which is why I recently traded in my vehicle with the four-cylinder turbo engine for a naturally aspirated engine. Though my new vehicle isn't as fast or fun to drive at top speeds, I prefer the comfort and smooth ride in my new car. Plus, the thought of repairing that turbo was starting to get to me as my car was growing older. I think this might explain what's going on with HONDA - the engine/transmission choices.
BMW twin-scroll turbo straight 6. NO lag
Honda turbo engines are garbage for long term reliability
@@Thankyou_3 Not in my experience. Had three turbo cars from Honda, all did over 200k no problems. Also had three BMW turbos, the turbos failed on all of them before 100k! Luckily they were all company cars, but I certainly would never buy one as a private purchase!
@@nollypra2752 you drove 600K in 4 years. Sounds like fake news.
The Camry has a naturally aspirated ( non- turbo ) engine & a 6-speed automatic ( non-CVT ) transmission. Honda reliability can’t compete with that. Turbos & CVT’s just don’t have the long term reliability that you get in the Camry.
A few thoughts. As compared to my 2014 Accord, the new ones are turbo charged, and that leads to questions about long-term reliability vs the old naturally aspirated engines with proven long-term reliability. My 14 has a real hand/emergency brake. They took away the coupe and lost maybe 8 percent of their sales right there. You touched on the cvt, but I would guess that for the average consumer, it's more about the style of the shifter.
With apologies to the almost impossible to find Honda Clarity, how many consumers in this market are holding out for an affordable electric or PHEV that meats their needs to show up?
And of course there is the part market pull, part manufacturers push to turn everything into a jelly bean shaped all wheel drive station wagon with aspirations of being a truck thing. The allure of buying such a beast to go to Wal-Mart hasn't quite afflicted all of the consumers, but it's close.
Honda had initial problems when they first introduced the turbo engine but it's widely accepted that they've mastered it now. CVT will always be a big issue because from a consumer POV, you get an extra few MPG but on the flip side, you get a transmission that wears out faster and can't be remanufactured, costing owners thousands of dollars for a new CVT, if they want to keep it long term. Most people who buy accords or Camry's, want to keep them long term.
The new Accord is far superior to the 2014 Accord. Its a different class, more solid, sportier, good dynamics. I have seen the 1.5T engine with over 200k and no issues
Well you can say that about any car as there are always cars that achieve 200k miles. Doesn’t mean that’s the norm. I’ve been researching 2018 + Accords and I see a lot of issues with that tiny 1.5 T. I think that’s one of reasons Accord sales are starting to slump.
@@angusp5515 and yet, they were selling a lot more Accords in 2014. (Also disagree with the comparison - "far superior"). Both a very good cars. But not everyone is necessarily sold on the advantages of tiny turbocharged engines and electric parking brakes.
@@marzzgli1278 1.5T had issues mainly on the 1st year civics and CRV, since its a new engine. They now are more solid. Accord with 1.5T can get nearly 40mpg. Sales are slumping due to the SUV craze.
PRICING! I was looking for a used Accord EX-L or brand new and they quoted me $36,810, the car had 35,000 miles on it. Insane! I ended up buying a 2020 Q50 with a twin turbo v6 awd, fully loaded for $32000 with only 26,000 miles, and they threw in a warranty.
Q50 is an underrated great deal these days. I also switched from “mainstream” midsize sedan to Q50 and much more impressed for similar $
The only thing that is disappointing to me since the redesign is the discontinuation of the the reliable natural aspirated v6. I'm not convinced that the switch over to direct injection is a reliable engine configuration since most cars are seeing a loss in efficiency before hitting 100,000mi do to carbon buildup.
They need to bring the V6 accord back…
Bro there are just too many of them
that won’t help sells, especially with these high gas prices
@@b1bo840 well said, folks want gas savings vehicles......
@@crow_2k11beatsbydre8
Until they don’t again…
People want the Accord with more power aka the V6 and throw in the 6 speed manual as well.. The 4cyl or 4cyl turbo don't make enough power and or people question the reliability issues of those turbo engines with a mid size car.
Bought my first ever brand new vehicle last year with my 2021 Accord Sport 2.0T. I absolutely love it. I will say, me and my brother in law are the only ones in my friend group with a sedan. You can definitely see the decline in interest of sedans. I still dont understand why ppl flock to SUVs so much. They are usually more expensive, have lower fuel economy, higher maintenance costs, and higher repair costs over your typical sedan like an Accord or Camry. Honestly I just think it boils down to selfish vanity. Every person I know who owns some massive SUV literally has zero children and do zero activities that would warrant a big SUV. Great, let's finish killing the planet so you can say "I jUsT LiKe sItTInG uP hIgH".
got to be stupid to buy suv...short wheel base, bumper ride..i pull up beside about any suv...my camry is bigger
Everyone is sighting the CVT as to why Accord is not selling. The Accord has been using the CVT since at least 2013. I’m not fan of CVT’s in general,but Honda are some of the best in the business. My friend is currently driving his 2014 Accord with a CVT over 240,000 miles with absolutely no issues.
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I don’t like the way the cvt’s feel and drive. That’s why I sold my CVT car. I would take the version with the turbo and the manual however.
Yes, CVTs are discriminated against because of Nissan. There's no doubt that CVTs offer a mileage benefit. Also, CVTs do have the benefit sometimes of being zippier on the road. Honda does a pretty good job with that. The CRV is a surprisingly quick car.
I have a 2013 and 2014 accord (identical) one ex and one lx both with 115k+ on them with no major issues, used transmissions are like 600 shipped with 40k to 60k miles on them so I think it will be replaced as soon as it takes a 💩
The 2.4s are solid🤜🤛
The CVT Transmission and Turbocharged Engine's are Both No-Go's for me !!!
Scotty’s thoughts as well
The CVT is a boing little gas saver!
Unfortunately Turbo and CVT is the future now.
Get with it or get lost
When I was looking for a new car back in 2019, some of my parameters were: no turbo, no CVT/DCT. That left the Sonata, Mazda 6, and Camry. I didn't trust Hyundai's 4 cylinder engine. So, the Sonata was out. That left Camry and Mazda 6. Very, very tough test drives. We went with the Camry SE because the wife liked the styling better. But, yeah. No turbo, no CVT/DCT.
If Honda stuck with the V6 and naturally aspirated 4-cylinder? I might be driving an Accord today.
Sorry but the Camry SE is just plain boring rental car that drives like a boat. The Accord is a much better car with more features even with a turbo its faster.
Yep I'm not alone, Turbos wear the engine out and eventually leak, the CVT while more fuel efficient will not outlast an automatic, you can't even rebuild them. Too costly and only work if you plan on selling it before warranty ends.
There's a significant reason that hasn't been mentioned here. Toyota's numbers for the Camry include selling pretty aggressively to fleets and rental agencies; Honda generally doesn't pursue that market as it can be detrimental to resale values. Just ask Volkswagen about that.
This. I would bet 30-40% of those sales are fleet and rental sales. Easily inflates the numbers making them seem better then what they are.
You are so right my friend
The current Touring model is one of the sharpest looking sedans sold today. Generally speaking, we all know crossovers/SUVs dominate the current market in the US. And personally, no AWD is a deal breaker. I think if Honda were to completely redesign and rebrand the Accord as a more city dwelling Outback, its sales would explode.
I think there are 2 reasons why Accord and Camry sales are down...CR-V and Rav4
That really is the reason
Biggest factor I’m seeing in Accord losing sales based on my daily drive is the emergence of Kia/Hyundai/Genesis
This. Accord no longer has hardly any edge over any other offering. Meanwhile KIA/Hyundai/Genesis have all but mastered interior/exterior design for the average consumer, pricing between trims levels, warranty length, continues to lead in JD Power quality/dependability ratings, and marketing. Can’t tell you last time I’ve seen marketing for Honda Accords. I use to be a Honda fanboy. Switched to Kia 10 years ago and haven’t looked back.
@@antwonpowell4590 Kia’s marketing is definitely better! Plus the 2015 and up Kia’s are just better then the accords. The accord also needs a redesign
The main problem with the new Accord is the hopeless turbo engines both the 1.5 and 2.0. Alot of people know that turbo engines are unreliable and they don't want to deal with it. Honda should have a naturally aspirated engine option too. Like bring back the 3.5 J35 V6
agreed
You made all valid points
I agree with this. They have compromised the engines with cheap turbos. I think the design also plays a role. The new accord is getting better when they started it about 5 years ago I looked bad. The old accords looked tougher yet luxurious. They also got rid of the accord coupes which I say where awesome.
The turbo is not a problem, it's fuel efficiency and power is superb for its size and is near silent while cruising. The only real problem is the oil dilution which takes place, this requires a more frequent oil change regime and must be rectified going forward if it has not been already, but it is by no means an unreliable engine. Besides, in the next 10 years every offering from honda and Toyota and other contemporaries will be either fully electric or a hybrid of some sort.
@@commandertaco1762 I see, so this 1.5 engine should be reliable for 300k miles? I love the new Accords, not a lot of cars can beat its driving dynamics , comfort and solid built but this oil dilution was the only thing keeping me back . I'm gonna have to look in at
Was a Honda fan ever since I got my civic 01, loved that car. Traded in back in 2016 for an New Accord Sport, big mistake. Only problems, from leaking valve cover, faulty headlighs and interior seat rattles it drove me away from the brand. 11 months later and after multiple visits to get it fix, traded for a Camry, as today not a single issue with the Camry.
I have a 2013 Honda Accord Sport and was totally happy until recently my Tire inflation light blinks then my Emergency power steering light and traction comes on. It steers with no problem and I’m told it could cost me several thousand at dealership to have repaired. I just don’t have that kind of money! Trying to save to take it in to find out the problem!
Love the sport with 10 speed but the cost is what's keeping me from immediately jumping to buy one.
Been tempted to get the cross trek sport instead due to saving almost 7k
I have a 2019 and the defrost system on this car sucks I’m planning on getting something else at the end of the year looking at Lexus
I dont like the way it looks and having no V6 kills it for me.
The 2017 models looked a lot better.
Have you driven the 2.0 turbo....you won't miss the v6
Yeah, it's ugly.
Agreed. The accord has a weird design just after the passenger door. It also seem bloated.
10th gen accord have best look
the 2.0 liter at the top of the range with the turbo and 10 sp auto makes the 1.5 with cvt look a little anemic, albeit way more affordable. they probably should have saved this for the more premium acura line and not created "the one i want is too expensive" disconnect. additionally, for those like me with the older superb screaming 2.4 (7200 redline)in my 2008 exl) it's just a bridge too far to accept potential problems with the 1.5 turbo combined with the dislikable cvt.
The CVT is perfectly fine for daily driving. Ppl think everyone launches their car and drives like a hooligan. It's an Accord for ffs. And Honda make pretty decent CVTs
The car has the decent power and that's all the typical owner needs.
@@NicotineRosberg well, i might test drive one if i reach the point of forced replacement and can't find the 2.0 ten speed in good condition used.
2.0t is quick which has a type R motor with a smaller turbo
@@retroguy1976 no it's not a type R motor. They are actually 2 different engines lol. Similar? Yes but not the same
@@retroguy1976
The only similarity they have is, they are both 2 Liters. Haha
Everything else is different internally.
Accord is one the best cars in the world. Problem is, everyone wants a SUV grocery getting vehicle these days. Too bad.
The reason why Accord, and all other sedans, don't sell as they are used to be is quite simple. People prefers to buy SUVs !!! Just look at the numbers.
Then they slam there heads on the hood of those SUVs when they see what it takes to fill them up.
@D.L. Gray Where did you get that the CR-V was cheaper ? It's base price is 300$ more than the Accord on Honda's web site. In your opinion, what car of this size is not overpriced and is not crap ?
@D.L. Gray yr about right. I've had 4 Honda's but mainly civic. When they made the body bulky it made zero sense. Right now prices are skyrocketing across the board but more so at Honda dealerships. Just serviced my civic and their mark up is 7-10k on all models. Went to other competitors and their prices were relatively the same. Honda has a huge following but will loose buyers with this tactic. Me being one.
@D.L. Gray true on keeping it. I have Civic Si 2012 with 197k and refuse to give it up. Paid 16k with 23k miles on it. I'm keepin it until Honda prices come down. No way spending 3k-10k over cost.
@D.L. Gray Did you miss the word «cheaper» in your own comment ? As I can see, it is obvious you are not aware of the car specifications. The CR-V is based on a Civic frame, not the Accord. Both cars have the same engines and the Accord is more economical in MPG. The cabin is cheaper in the CR-V. Just look at the infotainment system. The one in the Civic is dated and the next CR-V will get the same as the one in the existing Accord. Sitting higher is not an advantage in terms of handling. The Accord is a lot better than the CR-V in that domain. Just a have a look at the critics ! Of course if you are a boomer I can understand why you prefer to sit higher. You may not like the look of the Accord but it has nothing to do with the car quality. Year after year, the Accord is considered one of the best «family car» by MotorTrend (best in 2022). Still searching for a better and not overpriced sedan ?
I'd buy an Accord if it came as a wagon.
I own the accord 2.0t sport and it’s a great car! Good looking styling, well appointed interior, and the 2.0 screams! I’ve keeper up with cars I should on the highway my accord. Saddens me the sales have dropped. Hope they don’t do something dumb like kill the accord
Its a shame they dont do the Accord coupes anymore, and wonder if those numbers were factored in as well. Those were unique as Camrys dont have coupes anymore, but they were fun, roomy and sporty vehicles. Assuming the sales just werent there to justify them, but they were a cool thing while they lasted
Yes, the coupes were awesome models (one on my block still) and same with no more manual versions being made and not factored in any more.
I have a '20 Accord Touring 2.0T and I am beyond delighted with it. It is an awesome car. I have driven nothing but Honda/Acura models with V6 engines since 2002 and swore I'd never go back to a 4 cylinder. I was looking to replace my '16 TLX Advance with a slightly used '19 TLX but couldn't find one to suit me after months of searching. I considered the Accord 2.0T but kept resisting because of the 4 cylinder. Finally, I decided to test drive one and during the test drive realized that I wasn't giving the Accord enough credit. I ultimately decided to buy the '20 Accord 2.0T and I have fallen hard for this car. The more I drive it, the more I like it. It is an amazing car and I do not miss my V6s at all. Well, I do miss the sound of those growling V6 engines but my Accord is quicker and I love that torque. The chip shortage has hit Honda harder than some of the other manufacturers. My local Honda dealer hasn't had new Hondas for months now. Sedan sales in general are suffering because of the SUV trend now but I will buy sedans as long as they continue to build them. Have no need for an SUV and sedans drive so much better. And contrary to what Dave says in the video, I'm pretty sure that Honda is planning a complete redesign for the '23 Accord from what I've read online.
They will do a redesign as a next gen accord.. I do love hondas but a bit more expensive, so I drive toyotas instead.
The Honda Accord would be incredible with AWD . Also I just don’t like CVT transmissions
The other thing I would like o point out is the Camry is used by Taxi companies. That
Could be a major contributor to the high Camry numbers. Not sure about my conclusion
Regarding the Camry numbers.
The cvt isn’t a issue because the small the 2.0 engine has a 10 gear automatic transmission. SUVs and crossovers are the issue
My last Accord had a CVT, I didn't see what all the fuss was about. Found it very smooth and reliable for 60k when I sold the car. My only concern was longevity and really haven't heard that being an issue yet and it's been around for some time now.
@@boatlover1875 car wizard serviced a CVT after 20k miles and the oil was completely black. It's not a good advert for CVT & longevity.
@@michaelbroderick6830 That was always my concern long term, are you talking about the crankcase oil or transmission fluid? I didn't not experience that in almost 70k. I also kind of worry about extra complexity in these newer 10 speed automatics to be honest. Love the Car Wizard!!
@@boatlover1875 it was the transmission fluid I think. Now I think the CVT had already done some mileage before he serviced it twice but I don't remember the mileage.
Ain’t nothing wrong with the Honda Accord. Just people are buying SUV
and pickups
What happened to the Accord is what happened to all main-stream sedans: a huge shift in consumers’ vehicle preference. Redline Reviews published a video last year titled: What’s happened to Toyota Camry sales? Camry sales declined from 435k units in 2014 to 294k units in 2020. Nissan Altima, Mazda 6 sales dropped even more precipitously. The shift in consumer preference is why the only car you can buy in a Ford dealership now is a Mustang.
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Excitedly! Cars at some point will be extinct. That's why I'm hanging on to my 1994 Honda Accord EX Sedan 5 speed manual. They won't be making any manuals anymore,
at some point
@@mikebingham9700 You do know that the redesigned 2022 Honda Civic has models that can had with a 6pd manual?
@@mikebingham9700
Because the car should do the work, not you…
@@texasyank48 Yes I know, but soon they won't make them anymore, because of slow sales. very few people buy manual cars.
As someone who just got a 2022 Ridgeline, with the button shifters, I have to say it works super fine. Note, I'm coming of owning a manual in my last 5 cars/38 years. So it was a HUGE jump. But the buttons actually do work just fine. If I can't have a manual (sigh...), I would take the space saving buttons over a lever-style auto shifter every day...
I drove the 1.5t honda accord and was very impressed by the way it drove, also drove a Camry also a nice car but the Accord just felt sportier but it seems like the quality was better in the last generation in terms of reliability and overall built quality. I myself have a 12' civic and I will say this I always feel like honda's non-turbo engines are the best choice for long-term reliability. But the issue is the price has skyrocketed in the car market making these cars less affordable even a civic with cloth can be nearly 28k which is insane.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Hondas unequivocally are inferior cars to Toyotas. This is industry fact, not opinion. Anyone who has worked on both cars will tell you that Toyotas use superior parts and have better initial build quality than Hondas.
@@JonNobleNobelOne not true. Build quality is and always has been very comparable between the two cars over the years, while the Camry has always appealed to people who generally just look at their car as a device or appliance to take them from point A to point B. People that buy the Accird typically appreciate the better driving dynamics that virtually every generation of Accord has had compared to the much more generic driving characteristics that Toyota’s always had.
I wouldn't want these "tiny turbo" engines and a CVT transmissions. The Honda 2.4 L normally aspirated engine was one of Honda's best engines. Plus like all cars now...It's pricey when well equipped.
I was actually considering the 2018-onwards Accord Touring 2.0T trim as a contender for my own car since I currently drive a 2008 Chrysler 300C with the thirsty 5.7L Hemi V8 which is a shared family car at the moment. It gives the 2018 Acura TLX A-Spec & Advance some strong competition besides the other cars I'd consider getting for myself
You got the perfect voice for reviewing dud👍. calm and clear.
I am a Camry owner and I’ve been looking into buying a new Camry or Accord. The Accord’s oil dilution issue’s with the base 1.5L turbo engine and the high sticker price to get into a trim with the 2.0L turbo engine turned me off. I’m going back to Camry.
Makes sense as Accord/Mazda6 and Camry/Altima buyers are not cut from the same cloth.
I think it might be because the reliability of the 2005_ 20012 had excellent reliability The newer Honda accords are beautiful, fun to drive however the engines were changed to turbo engines not as reliable as the v6 engines in the older models.
One of the reasons Honda dropped the V-6 engine was to improve their CAFE rating. Another is that, according to the Honda dealership that I deal with and have been 1998, is that buyers were more interested in the 4 cylinder variants. They said that towards the end, they were having selling v-6 versions.
Those V6s weren't perfect either. Each one I had burned oil like no other and they we notorious for bad piston rings. Also, the automatic transmission wasn't great
@@Motinhox I have a 2007 V6 Accord with 144K miles. It does not burn oil at all and transmission works fine nor ever rebuilt. We bought a 2020 Camry to replace it, but could not part with it. I still prefer the Accord to the new Camry.
Idk but I'm glad I purchased my 2019 1.5t Sport. This was a calculated purchase. Drive about 300 miles a week. Averaging about 37mpg. Can't complain in that department. Also, I like how it looks and enjoy driving it around. So cheap to maintain is a plus too.
I bought a 2022 accord sport 2.0t it’s a great car but extremely hard to find at the dealerships. I had to order it. Great car no complaints.
I believe a big part of the sales decline is the fact there is no longer a 6 cylinder option.
That is why I purchased a Camry
1. They are overpriced and not a good financial choice. 2. Honda dealers are generally crap and horrible to deal with.
When I get into a Camry, I can feel an extra level of refinement and quality. And knowing I can get AWD makes the decision even easier against the accord.
I feel the exact opposite. Accord refined smoother ride, More power, better handling and better looks.
@@BkBk-gy6vr yea the accord looks like a Sci fi reject from a b rated movie.. no thanks!!
I'd rather die than be seen in a 10th gen accord 🤝 🤮
Accord is better. More refine and better interior
The Accord 2.0 will smoke the 300hp Camry all day! Camry too heavy! Look it up on UA-cam!
Accord fun to drive.
I actually like the push-button gear selector because it frees up center console space
Exactly. Everything is great with this car. Screw this guy. He thinks jeeps are good cars lmfao
I think they need to bring back the V6 back.
And the Coupe!
No turbos pls
I bought one in 2018, 2021, & this year. When I bought my 2021 (sport), there were very little to choose from and I didn’t want to wait. This year, I chose to wait it out and get what I really want (EX “L). Nothing wrong with any of mine, however, I only have 4k miles on my 2021. I’ll be in an Accord forever most likely… unless I get eager for an SUV.
Last I saw, it is expected to have a redesign/new generation in the ‘23 model, as the Civic just had.
I bought my first Accord LX new in 2001 for around $17k. It served me well. I put roughly 200k on it. I bought my Civic LX new in ‘12 for roughly $18,500. It was totaled in July of last year when I T-boned someone who made an illegal left turn in front of me, also - he obviously didn’t yield, either.. I had about 120k miles on it.
I absolutely loved both of my Hondas up to that point. I joked that I planned to Will my ‘12 Civic to family, as I’d assumed I’d drive it until the wheels fell off. Now, I’m obviously a Honda gal and I also purchase new with cash. Unfortunately, July of 2021 was one of the worst times to be looking for new inventory, as there was a shortage and add-on fees/non-negotiable dealer accessory fees were being tacked on. I was also suffering from a pretty nasty concussion, so it was an awful time to be attempting to make such a large purchase. I just assumed that Hondas had served me well in the past, so whatever I’d be purchasing would be as sufficient. Well, the ‘22 Civic had just had a redesign - normally I would never buy first year of a new generation, I’d prefer they work out their kinks for a year or two first. So I was torn between the existing ‘21s or a ‘22. As the pricing was nearly identical, I opted for the ‘22 Civic Sport. To me, it was the only trim that had wheels I liked.
Well, I’ll tell you, I am not a huge fan of it. It’s very aesthetically pleasing, however, the performance and bugs that have crept up, along with the what I consider to be poor MPGs, I’ve been regretting the purchase since day one. When I went to buy it, no one in the area had any on the lot to even test drive. I had to put a deposit on it and pay the day it arrived. I’ve had multiple false errors pop up and the MPGs don’t match the rating. I’m lucky to get around 23 mpgs. It’s rated at 29/33 I believe. Amongst the forums I’m a member of, others with the sport & LX trims, specifically with the same manufacture date and facility, Canada, that I have. Honda service had it for a week and claimed to have driven it for four miles (the area by that dealership is very congested, always stop and go - they said they had gotten 32 mpgs out of it. Oddly, when I picked it up, the odometer had been tripped and was resting on 4.2 miles. The dash though was resting on 22 mpgs. So I’m curious how it dropped 10 mpgs with a trip from the parking space to the pickup area. So my chief complaint is the mpgs, especially nowadays. As I said, I was rushed making my purchase due to the circumstances of having lost me car in an accident. If I’d had the time to research, I’d obviously had picked the EX trim with the 1.5L engine over the 2.0 I’d gotten with the sport. My ‘12 Civic consistently grabbed around 40 mpgs and I had a super heavy foot. I have dialed my driving way back to a granny level and am still barely snagging 25 mpgs on the absolute best day and on the highway. Also, obviously - without having to go into detail, switching over from my two previous VTECHs to a CVT (something I didn’t research, but a few friends cautioned me about) that’s also another thing I take issue with, but I digress.
The reason I clicked on this video is, since Week No. 2 of owning my new Civic, I was determined to sell it privately or two a place such as Carvana or Carmax because I’ve seen several people in my ‘22 Civic groups doing just that and getting out of theirs. The above businesses are paying thousands over purchase pricing for them bc they’re desperate for used inventory. When the ‘23 Civics or possibly Accords come out, if I can sell mine for my purchase pricing ($27,400 OTC cash) or higher, I’ll likely dump it and either get the new Civic, with bugs hopefully worked out and with a 1.5L, or possibly switch over to an Accord or HRV if the redesign is visually pleasing.
I never thought Honda would let me down. I’d been driving them for almost 25 years, but the quality of the mechanics has slipped, IMO - though they’re still really nice to look at… especially lunar silver, which is all I’ve ever owned. I’m still not considering purchasing any other brand, but I’m exceptionally weary of what Honda is offering now.
The reason I clicked on this video,
I have a theory, my 2008 Honda Accord is still running like a champ, no major maintenance at 195K miles. So although I think the newer model is gorgeous, I think it comes down to needs vs wants, and for me, I may want the new model, but I really don't need it.
Wow, I'm glad to hear that! I just bought a used 2015 Accord EX last year in May... I knew I preferred the "older" body style (9th generation) & I was fortunate to be looking around online & found the color I liked & it had VERY LOW mileage- only had 28,000 on it, a 6 year old Accord! Very "gently" used! 🚘 SOLD!!!!! 🙋♀️ lol
I have 2008 Accord V6. She running like a champ too. No major maintenance at 160k. Hope she can keep up with the good work till 300k.
I went with a 2022 Camry because Hondas are consistently more expensive to insure. They always top the list for most stolen. I prefer the styling of some of the Hondas, but not so much that I wanted to pay more for insurance. CVT is a no go for me also, as you mentioned.
Right there with ya. I did not want a CVT and I wanted a V6.
@@Growla I live at high altitude, so I lose 3% hp for every 1,000 feet. For me that’s 21% less hp in my hometown. I usually get a V6, but there were none to be found for less than $30k. I was lucky enough that the car I got had just come in on the truck while I was at the dealership. They literally had to unwrap it for me to test drive. One of the largest dealers in Colorado, and they had all used in their showroom.
Thanks for another great review. We've owned five Accords over the years. Our most recent daily driver is a 2016 Accord EX-L V6 that we purchased new in Feb. 2016... we are more than pleased [except for the sound quality of the audio system] with this car. Honda & the dealership has sent us many offers in the hope that we would trade up to a new Accord or another Honda product. Our '16 has been reliable and well maintained. The offers from Honda are enticing and therefore we have considered trading up, however if we purchased a new Accord, we would be giving up the V6 and saying goodbye to a vehicle that has served us well and is in 'like new' condition. In order to get the most desirable options, we would have to purchase an Acura = as you mentioned: AWD, a V6 turbo, 10 speed transmission, suspension, superb audio ~ just to mention a few. Additional drawbacks for purchasing new is the lack of color options for both exterior & interior. It seems that manufacturers have reduced color choices to a basic 4 and in some vehicles the only interior available is black. When considering buying new, should we settle for a Honda Accord that does not have the "full package" @ $40K or a Acura TLX with the options we want yet perhaps pushing the boundaries of our price range @ $60K? Does Honda want to sell more cars or are they only interested in a fat bottom line?
Keep your V6
@@DaveInCanada081 Yes, that is one of the reasons I'm hesitant to trade, although the V6 turbo in the Acura TLX Type S is appealing.... saw one in person & close up today = terrific design
I had a 2015 Honda Accord sport with a manual transmission. Before that I owned a used 2004 Honda Accord with a manual transmission. Overall the car was very good -- it was a good daily driver that did everything pretty well. The car has gotten to be too big -- it's similar to what happened with the 2008-2012 generation. The Acura Integra seems like a potentially better alternative right now.
Still driving my 2001 Accord. The new Accord is a great looking vehicle.
He thinks jeeps are good cars so ignore him
I’ve worked for Honda for 4 years. The accords stereo is very below par. Also, the price has gone WAY up and most people aren’t willing to pay that much when a Camry or k5 would be a better price with more equipment.
Absolutely! Also, where is the Panoramic Sunroof?
Those numbers is a good observation, but I have another one, even when used car prices are all time high, you do not see discounts listings for honda accord, the first year this new design came up was 2018, you should be able to get a good deal for a Honda Accord 2018 sport based on that, however that is not the case, numbers are falling but prices are still high, what do you think
Exactly!
When I went car shopping, I bought a full size truck instead. I love my Accord, V6 M6, which is no longer available, perhaps 1.5 or 2. turbo is part of the problem.
Still love my 2020 2.0T Accord
The accord would sell better if it was AWD
If that happen the civic will never sell
Just rode in one of these (2018+) Accords via Uber and it had limousine-like rear seat space and knee room. I have a 2015 and love it and while I don’t like the looks on the front of these, the 2018+ Accord is a perfectly fine Auto aside from the 1.5L turbo.
The Civic is now the size of the older Accord - thats why
Honda needs to get rid of:
- the stupid button shifter
- CVT transmission
- turbo
Had an Accord 1.5 as a loaner while my wife's Odyssey was getting fixed. Nice looking car, but completely hated the feeling of the cvt. I'll take a car that's naturally aspirated with a normal trans any day. Maybe that's why the Camry sells better.
If that's what you think, be consistent. You might as well hate the Sonata for having the push-button shifter as well and hate the Altima and Legacy for having CVTs.
@@Blank00 I do, would never buy any Hyundai, Nissan, or Subaru regardless!!!
I have a 21 2.0T Sport… it’s one of the best cars I’ve ever been in period.
I’ve had Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, as well as accords and civics in the past… And for the money this car is unbeatable…
In my opinion it looks great, performance is great and it is a solid, well built car…
It’s a honda- so I know it could be a car that I have for a long time.
How about a BMW? Have you owned one of them? If so, how did it compare to the Honda? Thanks
Oil dilution, direct injection, no spare in the hybrid---three strikes and you're out.
I'd be interested to see how accord sales compare to CRV sales during the same period.
The CR-V, Pilot, and the Passport have been cannibalizing Accord sales for years now. The three models will continue to do so.
The CR-V used to occupy the space between the Civic and Accord in the general size.
With the new CR-V going to the RDX platform, the new HR-V will soon start taking sales from the CR-V, Accord, and the Civic it is based on.
If Honda made AWD available on their traditional sedans, maybe sales won't slide so much.
Personally I like the looks of the Accord (I always have), I driven a couple in the past and like the way they drive and my best friends wife has one and they say they haven't had any real issues with theirs. However for me the main reason I won't really consider it is because it's a sedan. Honestly I just like the ride height & how easy it is to get in and out of a crossover than a sedan. Honestly I think that's the same reason why Toyota came out with the Corolla Cross & wouldn't be surprised if they did the same with the Camry. Maybe Honda should think about doing the same thing.
@@timgt5 True, I completely forgot about the Venza.
@@timgt5 seems like the RAV4 is the Camry of SUVs since it’s bigger than the venza. I would consider the venza perhaps the Avalon of SUVs since it’s so luxurious. Although the original venza was based of the Camry if I’m not wrong.
Cross overs are ugly, people go with the flow and many are not even aero dynamic. Crossovers, as the name suggests are essentially an SUV based on a car chassis. can be bothersome to drive in crosswinds at highway speeds. Less fuel-efficient than the cars they are base on. Generally have cumbersome handling
@@lactusgalacto1174 the very first cars were essentially crossovers. The Bonnie & Clyde car for example had the same wheelbase, ground clearance, length, width & height as a Ford Edge. The Chevy Suburban has been around since 1934. It wasn’t until about the mid 50’s that sedans began to look more like they do now.
Then in the 70’s SUVs started to become popular & if you look at sales charts you will see that beginning in the late 70’s SUV sales began to rise as sedan sales stayed steady. In the late 80’s sedan sales began to taper off & in the early 90’s what is now called a crossover began to be made & crossover/SUV sales continued to rise while sedan sales continued to fall so much so that by the first couple of years of the 2000’s crossover/SUV sales topped sedans and haven’t looked back.
Also. crossovers are extremely popular with older drivers because the are so much easier to get into & out of than sedans. The truth is it’s sedans that we’re always the trend & crossovers are just a different variation of what the first cars were.
@@kenyattaclay7666 True many new cars are not easy to get in, they are a pain in the rear end. SUV have that advantage but also many are not reliable(electrical issues and OEM parts that are subtandart) like some sedans, specially with all the useless gadgets they come in with , adds to the expense an later costing a fortune to replace those parts.
People want the cargo capacity of the SUV. It's just more practical. And manufacturers have been able to get the fuel economy to be decent enough on a compact SUV that it just makes more sense than buying a sedan.
I purchased a 2021 Accord Hybrid and absolutely love it!! It is very responsive and, as you say, a joy to drive. I did test out the Toyota Camry awd (too noisy) and the hybrid (too confining). With the Toyota's, a 3 year free maintenance pkg. was included and they were much more willing to negotiate on my trade in and the cost of the vehicle (purchased Honda 2/2021). Could be factors considered for some in the purchasing decision.
Try a Mazda, they're very 👍 nice !
Car and Driver has tested both the current gen Accord and Camry in their Lighting Lap around Virginia International Raceway. The Accord best lap time was 7 seconds faster than the Camry. The Accord has been and stills is a great car.
That not the point of this video. He talking about sales
@@kromahj people were citing the fact that the standard trim Accord uses a CVT as one reason to shy away from purchasing one.
@@chrissimmons9969 oh ok. I hate CVT too
No panoramic roof offering and the base MSRP is what killing the Accord.
First thanks for all your hard work...nice to see a reviewer that is just on the other side of the Cascades from Salem, Oregon. 😇 Anyway, I've personally owned 9 Toyota and 9 Honda/Acura products of the 33 vehicles I've been blessed to have over the many years. Now I'm showing my young age of 53! ha ha 😉But I must say for me...my Honda products have just been rock solid for interior integrity with no squeaks or rattles (which drives me NUTS otherwise). Where my last couple of Toyota's drove me crazy with very Non-Toyota type problems besides squeaks and rattles with our 2013 Taco TRD Sport Long Bed and 2013 Avalon Limited Hybrid w/Tech Package (they really drove me nuts, sorry to have to say). The longest car I've ever owned was my 2015 Accord Hybrid Touring...just loved it. It fit my wide butt perfectly; and pretty much got 38.3 to 42.4 MPG with better but less efficient Michelin's...and 0-60 between 6.9 to 7.2 seconds depending on which review I'd watch. Mmmmm sigh...I did sell it because we were looking to be cash liquid for bidding on a foreclose that did not work out. But I did not know that my wife was actually not a big fan of it for the passenger comfort. 😳But I've always liked the way a Honda product is a lil' more "connected" or sporty to the road (but that is just me).
Well anyway...my guess to why there are less Accord sales would be because of three (3) primary reasons besides the obvious of people going to SUV / CR-V type vehicles....and that is...A) The 2016 or newer Civic. The Civic is just a very good car for much less (its pretty darn good). My daughter had purchased a 2016 Civic EX-L w/Honda Sensing and it was obviously bigger than our old 1988 or '92 Accord EX (we had decades ago). Yet, the Civic was pretty close to my 2015 (but I still liked my bigger Accord since they really increased in size back in 2013 up). Next, B) Honda does not sell to "Fleet" or Car Rental Agencies...so that would account for a huge difference in sales between the Camry & Accords. Then lastly, C) I really REALLY wish Honda would NOT hold back the cars that are in Japan and other markets...why they just keep trickling in lil' technology (like half (1/2) a digital dash instead of a whole; or glass panoramic moonroof). Seems to me if they brought those or added just few lil' things they would wipe the floor with all the other competition. 🤓🤪So there you go...just my 2-1/2 cents of personal thoughts and past experience...hope it might help others out there! 😎
I have a 10th gen 2.0 and love it. I did a basic tune with ktuner and a few bolt ons, it’s super fun to drive! I tested the cvt and it was smooth as butter and Honda makes the best the cvt. I think the drop in sales is covid and the skyrocketing cost for the car. Got my 2020 OTD 29.5k and I’ve seem them close to 40k now.
as soon as they have transition from a traditional gear driven transmission for a CVT, I stop purchasing them.
I have a 2006 accord 2.4 l manual but going for a Camry due to lack of shift lever. Push button is not for me
The push buttons are so much more relaxing. Better then clugging a shift lever, lame
Couple of things. People are going towards SUVs/Crossovers nowadays. It’s not AWD, it also doesn’t have a V6, only a Turbo 4 cylinder.
But I think the main reason….it’s the most stolen car in the United States.
I ended up purchasing a 2017 Maxima. I looked at the Camrys and the Accords. I like the look of the accord. I do tons of research before I make a purchase. At the time the Accord did not have fog lights The maxims did.The Maxima had a standard 8 speaker sound system and sounds way better than the Accords and Camry. Nissan sedan always had great sound systems in my opinion. I also like the fact that I can let my Maxima idle and I can get out of the car and lock the door with the remote or handle button. The Accord and Camry I was not able to lock the door while the car was running. You must use the key blade to lock the door which I think is stupid. Plus I think the Maxima just looks better than the others. Plus the 300 hp 3.5 smooth V6.Yeah CVT is a bummer but it's pretty good overall. I also currently have a 2007 Altima 2.5 with 200,000 miles on it and the car has been fantastic. Also have a 2012 2.5 Camry.
The last generation was a much better looking car ☺️ this generation 🤢. I’ve owned 2 myself blue 85 and a gray 88 LXI .
I've owned many accords and will continue to do so. The v6 models are the best as far as I am concerned and they should have made more 6 speed standards too. I am not a fan of them going to all 4 cylinder turbo on the 18 and up so I guess I'm stuck with the older models unless I get an Acura TLX instead. The turbos I'm fairly confident will have motor issues compared to the naturally aspirated motors. I bet they start having motor failures earlier than the non turbo models and time will tell soon enough.
Honda has had turbos since the early 2010's on the RDX, they know what they're doing. The Civic has been out and turbo'd since 2016, issues besides the dilution which has been solved simply with a different oil, haven't been popping up. I think it's safe so say they're more reliable than compeitiors, at least.
Yes, time will tell. But as with all engines, good maintenance goes a long way toward great reliability down the road. This probably applies even more with a turbo. Honda engineering is solid and owners of the more recent turbo cars should expect great service life. If you're at all curious about the 2.0T and how it drives compared to the V6 it's just a matter of taking one on a test drive. I was really quite amazed with the 1.5T Accord I bought and they continue to run on regular gas as recommended by Honda.
It needs all wheel drive as well as turbo electric fuel efficient options, heated and cooled seats in the front and rear, power folding mirrors and a panoramic moonroof, no cvt, last but not least all the autonomy options
I owned a 2019 Honda Accord EX-L and got rid of it after 2 months. This is after coming off of a 2006 Honda Accord EX-L which i absolutely loved. What made me get rid of the new style 2019 were: rough sometimes noisy ride, brakes too grabby, rattles, low quality sound system (even though was the high end), and turbo lag. Paid 14K more and got a BMW 3 series which also has some of the same issues the Accord had, but has enough cool tech and other things to compensate for it for me.
It's very simple. Competition has caught up, The styling is nice but not exceptional, slacking some modern upgrades, it really missed the boat Honda put plenty of money into the other vehicles. Hopefully the next Accord fixes the overall issue otherwise those numbers will continue to slide
Needs to get more sleek. The Acura Integra is out now and if it delivers the way it looks it will take over quickly. Only thing is pricing.
I like honda, especially the accords, owned a 1998 and a 2004 models both manual with traditional handbrake systems. I like new 2.0 accords with the manual but has no traditional hand brake which is a deal breaker for me. If they implement back the mechanical hand brake, I probably will get one again as a 3rd accord. 😎👍
Mechanical hand brake?
You have to be kidding me.
I never use it.
Do you live in San Francisco?
@@billmulvihill8452 Nope not kidding! it's just how traditional I am man! Basically, in my opinion to me, having a 6 speed manual and without the traditinal mechanical handbrake is like (referencing food) burger without the fries, or popcorn and no butter, or my favorite a steak without A1 sauce!? Who the heck doesnt use A1 sauce with their steak!? 🤣 you get what I mean. But these automatic emgenecy brake system, I just don't like them! Oh to add why i use a traditional hand brake, snow up here is so much fun with it! Love drifting! From state of the 10,000 lakes my friend! 😎👍
@@sengsythao1896
To each his own.
I had a 68 VW Beetle with stick and that was enough manual labor for me to last a lifetime!🤣
@@billmulvihill8452 anything with a manual is fun! 😎
@@sengsythao1896
It’s just more work…
I just bought a 2022 accord hybrid touring. It's a great car and folks really need to look at this car over a crv or any small suv. It's cabin is very spacious. The trunk is massive. This car for under 40k fully loaded is a solid buy. Test drive it and compare to any other mid-size sedan or small suv. Especially the 2.0 turbo or hybrid if you want fuel economy. You will be surprised how much you like it. Honda also needs to do a better job of marketing this car if it wants a larger share of the market.
99 V6 EX Accord owner. No problems to this day. Regular maintenance goes a long way and I will give one advice to everyone is that you don't have to have the latest and greatest cars especially these days because they are making them like junk
The newer Accords are much less visually appealing than recent previous models. Esthetics are important to most buyers.
Civic got bigger. It’s the size the accord used to be.
I have a 2021 Honda Accord 1.5 Turbo. The car is awesome. I added a JB4 tune and it gave me an additional 40hp and 50tq without impacting the mpg. Unless I floor it, I get around 28mpg in the city and it's fun to drive. I havent been able to get 30mpg in the city because that calls for the car to be turned off at lights all the time. I turn it off only at long lights that I know I will be sitting at for over a minute. Overall, it's an awesome car even with the 1.5 engine.
This is good for consumers, this will allow other people to get cars now because dealerships will have to drop prices to sell these cars!!!
I"m considering between the Accord and Camry. Although I like the Accord styling better (with exception to those brake lights) I'm probably going with a v6 Camry sometime next year (2023) because of the engine. By the way, I saw these same dropping numbers during the 2020 Pandemic and if you compare to Tesla's growing numbers I think there is a huge switch to Tesla that has taken away market share from BMW as well. I'm in the SF Bay Area and most tech workers are likely to move towards Tesla where the same people were buying luxury sedans or SUV's 20-25 years ago. The switch is a combination of too much selection with small SUV's and the people with good jobs moving to Tesla.
If you’re choosing the Camry because of the engine then i think you would definitely love the 2.0 accord, i just got mine 2021 and it’s definitely quicker than the Camry
If you do buy the Camry make sure you do get the V6. I wanted a V6, but opted for the I4 due to price. Although the I4 has a traditional automatic transmission it slips under light acceleration. The feeling is like an old transmission about to fail. Slipping as it can't decide what gear to be in. Toyota is aware of this, but does not consider it a problem and will not issue a fix. I did not want a CVT, but I am not sure I am much better off with this. I cannot believe they could tolerate this slipping with the power of a V6. No way.
@@Growla My sister has an older 4cyl and doesn't realize how reliable and low maintenance it is but it is underpowered. I would only get a V6 on Camry.
I am now right where you were a month ago........Accord or Camry????? My 5 day work week consists of driving 120 miles a day on the highway. So I am considering 2 models currently: Accord Touring Hybrid or Camry XSE Hybrid. From all of the research I have done, there is one distinct difference between the engine setups. The Accord when comparing mpg does better slightly than the Camry around town with stop and go traffic due to its Regen Braking System. But the Camry does roughly 5mpg better on the hwy. So you would think the obvious choice for me would be the Camry. Heck seems 1 out of every 15 vehicles I see on the road where I am are all Camrys, so it's not like the popularity isn't obvious. The Accord does bring a price tag of $4,500 more than the Camry. And Toyota gives you (already in the price of the car) a 2yr or 24k miles Maintenance Plan.
It would seem like I am talking myself into the Camry as I am sure this is probably what anyone that bought the Camry probably considered before buying because these cars are very similar in the market. But the thing that is stuck in the back of my mind is the Accord does look better. Giving you wireless Apple Carplay or Android Auto, A/C ventilated front seats, tinted rear glass, and the Sonic Gray Pearl beats the 3 color options for the Camry.
What is also sticking out to me since I had been looking at turbo cars like the Golf GTI or R, Audi A4, and so forth.......the Honda turbo engines allow for regular gas which is not normal in a turbo market. Premium here is $5.20gal and only slated to rise in price.
So it will actually come down to driving both cars.........who knows......if the local Honda dealer throws in the same maintenance plan I will probably sign so we will see.
@@Remnant1976 for me the final issue is simply the perception of these cars regarding vandalism and theft. I see more of that on Accords. I won’t be buying Audi or VW again because of reliability issues. Camry seems more sturdy when carrying more people in the car and I actually don’t mind the understated basic look however the nightshade edition looks good on a Camry and Venza too.
Sales dipped in 2018 when they released the new body style. I think the previous accord was much more attractive on the outside. The latest model interior is better.
I drive an Acura TL and the car is exceptionally reliable and sporty. My TL has a non aspirated V6 instead of forcing a 4 cylinder with a turbo to be overworked. The J Series engines were the best on the market but everyone wants to put in these small turbocharged engines that require premium gas. I will pass.
Sales did not really drop. Its the SUV craze thats going on that hurt the Accord sales. Also the new Accord is probably best looking Accord yet. Very sharp.
Lol as the others have said Honda tuned the 1.5 turbo for regular gas. Technically no Honda car *requires* premium. My old '16 Touring v6 even then didn't, it's preferred perhaps but Honda themselves say regular unleaded is just fine.
@Tony Camaj I have the V6 J32 in my 2006 TL and it does say it 'prefers' premium. I have put 87 in it for 13 years and so has my friend who owns the same car. No problems with either car.
I went from a 2018 GMC Seirra Denali truck to a 2022 Honda Accord Sport and I absolutely love it! Much less pain at the gas pump as well!😉
I had a 2018 Honda Accord and had nothing but issues. Traded in for my 20 sonata and have loved every bit of it.
That awful rear end would drive away many potential buyers. People wary of small turbo engines propelling large cars. CVT transmissions are inherently boring.