Scalpers are raising the prices. And the competition is still weak hence why Nvidia doesn't care about lowering prices and barely lowering them for older gens. And inflation has a part as well
@@SergeySedlovsky Scalping isn't something you can throw as the universal problem with all components. Stuff like motherboards and power supplies have gotten stupidly expensive during the past few years.
These have been factors forever now though. PC gaming was always expensive and fk all performance increase per generation has only been a thing in the past 10 years imo. Used to be massive bumps now its fk all when we are maxing out chips. Either need to make CPUs/GPU dies bigger to cram more shit in or new tech
3) The power usage I don't see many people talking about how the way the hardware market is going we will eventually require more power than a standard household outlet can provide without it being a dedicated 20amp circuit. I am already there but I am using a sim rig. If the power draw keeps rising it could become and issue for others as well.
Computers are like cars suprisingly. They can last a decade if it meets your current demands, and you take care of it. Every year I try to justify the big upgrade but my 1080, and i7-4790k from 2014 are doing fine I might get another 4 years out of it.
depends what your playing, that 1080 and CPU wont and simply cant get good frames on newer ish games. I expect you're playing older games or strategy games that frames dont matter and you dont care about turn load times.
honestly depends, you may be heading into an issue on newer games if you want to play them but supposedly the cards that will last for basic rasterization (9070xt) may be a solution to not having to worry about anything for quite a number of years due to diminishing returns.... raytracing more or less is trying to provide a solution to a problem that was created ironically.... the best pc right now to get may be an intel one if it comes down to price... just make sure you put a thermal limit on the chip so it can't try to burn itself to a crisp personally i say do that to amd as well... running a 7900 cpu at 65 watts and getting 5.2 ghz... no reason to go higher
im in a similar situation. i7 8700k and 1080. still plays everything just fine at 2k. But a new 5000 series is very tempting. cpu will last a few more years.
TRUE. BUT it is strange that we/they have so many new technology to make everything simple but people make it complicated and not in easy way or to do it in easy way
Everything is too expensive and nobody wants to argue for higher wages across the board just because they think if you aren't Elon Musk you don't deserve any money
If you're not working, sure. I think people really overestimate what they need to run the games/software they play and use. I built a computer with an i7-8700K and 1060 6GB about 5 years ago and it's still holding up great. It's easy to get into the trap of wanting the latest and greatest and I'm for sure in that boat as well, now that I'm beginning to look at upgrading. Maybe I'm a shill but I think with how much computing performance has improved even from 5 years ago, I expect there to be a jump in cost -- R&D baby! It ain't cheap! Maybe they could put out better products for lower cost, but that's capitalism I guess. You don't NEED a brand-spankin'-new rig worth 5 grand. It's a privilege and making due with older (even last gen) hardware might be the most economical solution that we aren't willing to accept. It's easy to blame a company for pricing their components too high. The fact is that people are going to buy them either way because of that boat we all float in. Either pony up, or buy last-gen used components.. do you really need that 15% extra performance? My 1060 says.. well, probably not. Would it be nice? Definitely! But definitely not necessary. Just my TwoCents. 😜
"16 threads sounds like a lot, but it's really not." Man I remember getting my first dual core CPU and thinking how amazing it was, how far we've come.
I'm running RDR2 (ultra settings @ 2k) on an i7/3070ti right now and 5 logical processors are actually working hard. 4 are barely above idle. I feel like I could've easily gotten by with an i5 processor. I also feel like I would have pretty much just as much fun if I was using an i3 processor, xx60 GPU, running at 1080p.
I'm still on the 7600k which is 4 cores with no hyperthreading. It's still doing pretty good, but it's limiting me since I upgraded my GPU from a GTX 1070 to RX 7800 XT
I remember years ago I was hyped on getting my first ryzen 4800hs laptop (8core16thread) and is super happy that my code compilation went from 40 seconds to 15, now I want those single digit compilations times with these new productivity beasts like the 285k and 9950x. Of course ram and ssds also are a factor in this.
I treat PC's like iPhones. Skipping generations makes the most sense.... I'm on a 4 year old PC build and I'm ready for something new. Doing this every year is absurd.
a rtx 5060 will cost as much as a PS5 and give you less since ps5 is closed an optimized while AAA games get bad pc ports cpus dont matter cause normal gamers cant even buy mid tier since its $750 for a gpu
@ I went from a first gen i7 to a 9th gen i7 in 2020. I guess I can't be accused of being trendy. When I built the first gen system it was a banger, now an i3 will blow it away. It was expensive AF back then.
I am still running a I7 8700 LOL But i did grab a 3080 12gig but my system runs at 2k just fine. In the next year i would like to upgrade my motherboard, CPU and memory.
I'm using a 9600x that i purchased for 180$. I've been called an idiot, money waster, and many more in different pc building forums. The efficiency, single core performance, and even multicore performance is immensely impressive.
Bro it's a good purchase, you're fine. People will have opinions on anything but don't have the money to buy shit. Your cpu is fine and will last you for years. Good purchase at a good price considering your performance depending on your GPU
I have just upgraded from a 2600 to a 9600x. I dont play competitive anything, Cyberpunk, Space engineers etc. I want things to look good so I dont need the CPU performance. The Gpu is always going to be the limiting factor for me.
I am about to upgrade in a few months and the 9600x is exactly what I will be getting and it will be paired with my existing 6800 XT. The 9600x is a perfectly good CPU and dont let others get you down, its not their money and they likely dont even have a computer that good.
The problem I'm having is that the parts I want are either completely out of stock or the price is being driven up artificially. Like I don't want to pay $440 for a 7800x3d when the price was $100 cheaper just a few months ago. It's not even the top of the heap anymore!
Just upgraded on Christmas from an I7-8700 to the 9800x3d. Yes, gaming is all I care about, but Jay is right if productivity is your aim then the 9800x3d isn't the right CPU. It wins games, not time in productivity.
Almost the same situation for me too. Upgraded from a 10900k to a 9800x3d in December. I am also a gamer first and have zero regrets about buying a product at the top of the stack. It goes nicely with my 4090.
Gotta do what I did, buy two, build two, and sell one to cover the cost of the other. I built two 9800x3D PCs, sold one build for $600 profit that went towards the other build that I was keeping to replace my old 3950. I didn't feel like I was scalping either because I think it was a reasonable mark-up for the build labor etc and in line with other pre-built pricing and a large discount from most of them.
Honestly, if your system plays the games that you want well enough for you... Don't spend the money to upgrade. With the cost of parts nowadays, getting the most out of your builds and sticking with what works for you is always a good idea in my opinion.
I think the real conundrum is when you go to buy a new laptop in the store, and all them say i3 i5 or i7, and they don't even tell you what generation it's from.
Tbh any consumer grade laptop is not worth buying at all. Get anything business grade used or refurbished and you will get a reliable, decently powered and repairable machine.
@JayzTwoCents, When I upgraded from my Ryzen 9 5900x to my 9800x3d using the same RTX 3080ti at 1440p I seen 20-30 fps average increase. But the biggest gains were the minimum framerate's which nearly doubled if not more depending on game.
The names do not matter IF a buyer pays attention to specs, performance reviews, and price. There is too much emphasis on this idea that we should be able to guess the capabilities of a very complex device based on its name. Ludicrous, and lazy.
@RegenTonnenEnte Hmm, should I get the Ryzen 5 3600? Or the Ryzen 5 3600X? Or the Ryzen 5 4500? Or the Ryzen 5 5500? Wait, they're all kinda similar performance? Why bother having anything other than the 3600 then?
Hearing tech channels spell out every letter and number for CPUs and GPUs rapidly turns into white noise. In my head, I don't hear "Intel i7 14900KF and nVidia RTX 4090," I just hear "vmvmvm sehn foh-nahn KEF and ni-vi foh-nahhh."
A problem is everyone believing they need the newest or highest spec system. I'm an ex-pat American living in Australia. Wind the clock back 1 yr, I built myself a PC -13900K, RX-7800XT, 32GBDDR-6200, NVME PCIE-4.0x4, running to 1440P Monitor. I built my Daughter a recreational system in June, a PC - AMD5800X3D (one of the last ones here), RX7800XT, 32GBDDR4-3466, NVME PCIE-4.0x4, running to 1440P Monitor. Both systems run without any compromises. In fact, the 5800X3D system never ceases to amaze me. If you didn't have a higher spec system running next to either system, but particularly the 5800X3D, you'd never notice much of a difference. Yes, there are scenarios where one or both of these systems will show weakness or limitation, but stop focusing on what a system can't do. Look at what YOU do and build systems with your NEEDs in mind.
Have an i5 11400 paired with an rx7800xt, can run everything in 1440p without issues, I want to update to AM5 but find it extremely expensive, MoBo pricing is just ridiculous.
Can’t agree more. I’ve been building around 20 PCs a year, and most of the time clients ask for a 4090 and 14900KF, wondering if it will give good FPS in 4K or even 8K. It’s just stupid and a waste of money, even if you’re super rich. All that AI upscaling hype is overblown; it’s just sad. As for me, I’m still using an 11900KF, 32GB of 4400MHz DDR4 RAM, an RX 7800 XT, and a 1080p 144Hz 27-inch monitor. There isn’t a game I can’t run with maxed-out settings, and the 11900KF doesn’t bottleneck at all. Sure, ray tracing on ultra settings can be demanding, but what card handles ray tracing well anyway? I don’t care about ray tracing because I play games-I’m not watching them like a movie. DLSS and FSR are totally useless to me because they ruin the image quality. Honestly, tech UA-camrs need to do better than just talking about stupid high-end stuff. It’s like brainwashing naive users.
@@rocortega2064 Not sure if it's to do with the country you're in, but I'm in Canada and AM5 doesn't seem all that more expensive. During recent sales some of the best B650 mobos like the Asrock B650E PG Riptide, MSI B650 Tomahawk and B650 Aorus Elite AX were all available for less than $250 CAD. But not sure if that's gonna happen any more now that retailers are realizing Ryzen CPUs and AM5 mobos are in high demand. At the same time, can save you money in the long run since you don't need to buy a new motherboard to get a significant CPU upgrade several years down the line.
To be fair Intel are trying to do that with just naming them Ultra, problem is they need to have codes to distinguish between the different revisions and that's where all that weird numbering came from Intel always had it pretty "simple" with the number after the i increasing show casing the higher that number the better it is. Then the next numbers just show the "age" really. A 9000 9th gen, 14000 14th gen.. Same can be said with Nvidia AMD is the one who seems to be all over the place causing headaches with GPU and CPU naming conventions. I have no idea what is considered top tier AMD at the moment. Even though Jay said them about 30 times in this video, it hasn't stuck in my mind. This is the only reason I have really stuck with Intel. I feel so lost with AMD and I don't care that much to do the homework for a few extra FPS
Pentium and Celeron are good names but nowadays they are used for small CPUs on the side. Core or ultra is way too generic. I hope Intel brings back the silly names for the main chips .
There will be no tariffs. They've been kicked down the road for many years and it's just a story the media uses to rile people into a pointless frenzy.
I keep hearing hardware people on UA-cam talk about the ability to upgrade a CPU. I was a gamer and am still an hardware enthusiast. Just with less money now I have a family. I know many other very tech people. By the time we would think of upgrading the CPU, we would usually be looking at used parts, and it makes more sense to go for a new platform. It is true that I don't know any hyper, must constantly upgrade my computer all the time people, but considering the tech community I'm a part of, you'd think there would be at least one out of hundreds of people. That just tells me how rare people who actually upgrade CPUs are. I do through multiple graphics cards on each of my computers over the years. I used to switch out my sound card quite often, back when it mattered. I've switched out some HDDs for SSDs, or have had to replace many an old HDD that has died, or just run out of space. I've even had a few motherboards blow. All of those have been AMD system. I've upgrade RAM. Never replaced a CPU. So my thought is buy a good CPU that will last you until your next one. Buy the correct CPU for your workload. I personally will still stick to Intel because I value reliability. Yes, I know about the 13th and 14th gen fiascos. I am also watching these tech UA-camrs constantly apologize for AMD. Don't buy too fast RAM, as you may need to clock it lower than what it is capable of. Understand, the RAM you buy, no matter the company, even if it is EXPO certified may not work with your AMD CPU. I mean WTF,, RAM that is certified for AMD may not work with some AMD processors? I understand that even the latest Ryzen CPUs still have stability problems. They go fast, as long as you don't mind them crashing every once in a while at stock speeds. You can get them to be almost completely stable, just underclock them by 10%-15%. Your RAM may, or may not work, they crash every once in a while. Intel, mostly things just work. As a programmer, sometimes content creator. I want things just to work. Please AMD, after 30 years, can you please start releasing reliable CPUs? I understand you finally got your thermals under control. Now fix your memory controller, and anything else leading to stability problems. I want a choice, and I already got burned in the past by you. No, literally, I bought the Athlon XP because of its good reputation. It hit 40C where I live one day and the CPU overheated blowing both the CPU and frying the motherboard. My Intel board the next year thermal throttled and then shut down to protect from damage.
Just got to the end of the video Intel Core I7-4470K 32gb DDR3 1888mhz AMD Radeon RX 6800 16gb Yes, I know my graphics card is massively being held back by my CPU, but I am using it for some AI work, and I plan to upgrade my platform this year. Actually, I was surprised at the uplift I saw in some games over my RX 480.
It's because gamers want it because it's new and most don't realize that what they already have will still allow them play their games just as well or in some cases the "old" tech will even work better.
7700x here, does a great job at 4K gaming, runs. My live stream in the back temps are still fine under 80°. There's room for improvement but not necessary for my needs and I think that's the main issue, getting something that is worthwhile for your needs
@jarchack I got it on sale from the Micro Center in Flynt, Michigan, in early December. From my research, it is very balanced cpu let's you game and dabble in productivity.
Thank you for having this discussion! Gaming seems to be the only thing channels talk about and fps. As you hint at, there is much more to an overall system
My 7800X3D was a big improvement for the games i play. I do play in 4K, but a lot of my games are quite CPU heavy. The FPS improvement was almost like going up a tier on my graphics. I am really happy with it.
Similar situation for me. Upgraded from a 10900k to a 9800x3d. I was able to use DLSS frame gen on my 4090 to stay in high refresh rate territory on the 10900k in CPU demanding games but there's still a noticeable difference in many titles after upgrading.
@ similar.. i play 4k with 5600 and 4070 ti super. Sometimes rarely the cpu drops below 60. cyberpunk rt ultra is a great balance at least with low npc. I am looking for the right deal to get on am5.. didnt want to spend $400 to get 7700x that is only 25% faster in most games. doesnt look like i will be able to get 7800x3d for a reasonable price so i should setting on something soon. Any idea if we will get a 7700x3d?
The 9800X3D being basically a mythical Pokemon in terms of stock/availability here in EU is what pushed me into reconsidering whether I would even make good use of it, and knowing that I don't want just a PC that pushes high framerates but can also do some occasional image/video editing or compiling code is how I've now landed on the 9900X instead. Would've even gone for the 9950X if the budget allowed it but 9900X should do the job either way.
I've wanted a 9800x3D since launch, but it has been out of stock (available for preorder only) in all stores here since launch. This seems to drive the price through the roof, and even though I can afford it, it doesn't seem worth it at the moment. My 8086k will remain good enough until the prices drop again.
@@thorbear Yeah, I'd just hold out. 100% not worth paying scalper prices when you can just wait until the craze dies down and it ends up back in stock somewhere.
I'm a mechanical engineer and it took me a month of researching performance benchmarks to just break down and buy a 7800x3d for my personal gaming rig. BUT that's not the answer for everyone, grandma doesn't need v-cache for facebook browsing and neither do my professional programs or huge spreadsheets where intel still rules. It's the same as always, research is your friend and explainer videos like these are exactly what's needed to start understanding instead of riding hype trains. By the way, my cpu is absolutely asleep right now since I only have a 3060ti and a 60hz monitor, further upgrades are already in the works to actually utilize that performance.
last weekend i built my first pc for the very first time and no matter how nervous and worried I was, all I kept getting told on reddit was how dare you buy the 9950x when there are x3d chips available!!!!!!!!!!!!
but they aren't available! Atleast not at reasonable prices and the 7800x3d at MSRP considering its now old and outdated does Not count, lol 9950x is great tho.
I'm happy with my Ryzen 9 5900X 128GB DDR4 Ram @3200, games perfectly, streams perfectly, runs all my editing software perfectly. Def if you are going for a mix case PC use, do not go with the 3D series, just get a normal chipset for production while being able to game at a negligible difference. (Sorry everyone I put 5800X rather than 5900X initially, fixed it, thanks for the point out)
Currently specing out a Dev PC for gcc testing of multiple device's FW connected via COM. The 7950(X) and Ultra-285 look really good. No GPU needed. People need to learn to spec their machines to a given use-case.
Daily driving my 2500k / Z77 right now. Other retro builds include a 6700k, 6850k, 2 x 6900k, TR4 1950X, 8700k, 9900X, - 10920X, and 2 x 10850k's I'm working on now. Thankyou, and others, for the videos, both past and present. I've watched 100's of them, mostly in the last few years. Being an ex- military tech., loved restoring Ol' Muscle Cars in the past, retired, single and in a house, I have 10 Retro, semi- Clones with my own twist, builds on the Go right now. I've almost completed a Replica of Linus's first 'All ROG Build', that I hadn't originally planned on building. Hadn't seen his video when I saw a Helios Case on C.L. and bought it a couple of years ago. The seller told me it was only used for someone's UA-cam video but wouldn't tell me his name. I found out 3 weeks later when I saw / read the original packing/ shipping address and information on the Helios Box. Damn, now I had to bite the bullet, $$ parts, even if it's used. So now, influenced by you and other's, I'm building Ol' FlagShip Builds from the past I've seen or imagined . Thanks for the company. This Ol' Dog is . . . learning new tricks.
I got a 7600x for $140 on sale and paired it with a 4080. The 4080 runs at 100% almost 24/7 when playing intense games and from what I can tell is not bottlenecked. I'm super happy with the build.
Thank you so much for releasing this! I had a 9800X3D in the cart and this completely changed my mind as I stream, game, run Spotify, and other various programs at the same time.
I am the type of gamer who likes my CPU to last 5-7 years, and swap GPUs every 2-3 years. I got the 9800x3d even though it completely GPU binds my rig (12gb 3080) because I am expecting to upgrade GPU this or next year. I am confident the 9800x3d will still be a bad ass gaming CPU in 5 years.
This is the way. Same exact reason why I bought a 9800x3D. I plan on holding on to my rig for a long time and just upgrade GPUs here and there for the next 6 years.
I find it hard to really try and predict how long the 9800X3D will stay relevant for in gaming. That said, I have one as well because money wasn't an issue and I just wanted my first X3D CPU to be the best. I'm very pleased with it.
Same here,just got a 9800X3d for MSRP price,so i was lucky. My plan is,if the 9800x3d fall off for any reason over the years,i can still upgrade to better cpu without buying a new PC,cos AMD don't change their socket every year. Even if they stop supporting am5 let's say in 2027-28 i still can buy the best/latest cpu for am5,and with that,it may even last until the whole am6 gen. Either way,better long term investment,than any Intel cpu,if you look at the upgrade path.
This would be a great strategy in a few months when the 9800x3d craze dies down and they're back in stock at realistic prices. Never worth paying scalper price.
The main problem is "OUT OF STOCK" or price gouging on X3D processors. Trying to get a new build underway, can't even find the CPU I want (9800X3D), that hasn't been price gouged way over MSRP. Thinking now to buy a "X" CPU compatible with the AM5 socket, and wait for the supply to hopefully catch up.
There's also another category of games where x3d cpus shine which are rarely mentioned here, regardless of resolution - simulation bound games. Games like Stellaris, Factorio, Satisfactory and Rimworld etc where the issue is not the actual FPS, but how fast the simulation can be run is vital to these games. A few generations ago most of us all gave up on Stellaris games after the mid-game since the slowdown made the game literally unplayable. Each time-unit ingame took more seconds as the time in the game progressed up to the point where the gameplay became too slow and soft-forced a restart of the game. The Ryzen X3D cpus are much stronger in these types of games, and you can see at the the Gamers Nexus reviews of cpu which do include Stellaris in their benchmarks. JayZ should at least mention this as an exception to the reasoning of which CPU to choose based on what kind of games you're playing, regardless of resolution.
@@kevinsteinman8967 12700K is what I'm rocking! Though I'm on a DDR4 board since DDR5 was prohibitively expensive (and mostly unavailable) when I got it.
I have a i7-12700KF paired with a 3070ti. I feel like it's more than enough cpu for me. It's generally chugging along at maybe 30% with my GPU maxed out. I bet I can keep this cpu for a couple more generations of GPU's.
@@erictyler3259 it’s a great CPU! Before I had it with my 2080 and then I was super fortunate to actually be given a 7900XTX and even with this GPU it rarely bottlenecks. Only 2 games have I seen my GPU not maxed out at 1440p ultrawide, and they’re both over 100fps so I can’t complain. Lol I’ll stick with it for a while as well.
@@MistyKathrine Not a thing wrong with that. The 12 series is probably the best series that intel put out with all the problems with the 13/14th gen going on with the microcode. Course motherboard manufactures are at fault also for pushing extreme limits to claim they are better. Same on the AMD side of the road also with Asus pushing extreme voltage but not honoring warranties also plus AMD not giving strict guidelines either. Reason I'll never purchase anything Asus ever again.
Just want to see stats. My Rig is only a year 1/2 old. Not planning to update unless shows like 50% in rasterization. You will have to show me that fake frames aren’t so bad in other ways.
I typically aim mid-tier, when I want to make a new build. I look up the highest end, the lowest end, then aim somewhere just below the middle in price. Then I start making compromises from there.
after not upgrading my pc since ryzen 3000 release coming back into it was very overwhelming and the prices today are astronomical. The improvement from generation to generation isn't worth the extortionate costs we are now facing I ended up setting my budget i was comfortable with and saying screw it this will do because otherwise id have spent hours and hours staring at benchmarks and price listings at new stuff that honestly isn't worth my time or money. Im glad im already in with decent enough pc because right now is not a good time to be trying to build a new pc from scratch. Not only are the prices bad, but the naming of new cpus/gpus etc are all very confusing unless youve been following with a close eye for a while, its honestly off putting
I follow the market closely enough to not be overwhelmed by upgrades but I have 2 machines both running a 3700x, one with a 2080 on a 1080p 75hz monitor and the other with a 6950xt and a 3440x1440@144 monitor. They're both totally fine for the games I play. I love not feeling obligated to upgrade, especially this time of year when everyone has massive tech boners over all the latest and greatest. I hope both companies sell a shitload of all their high end stuff, I'll be stoked to pick up cheaper used parts in a couple of years when everyone moves on again.
@@m.d404 they are about £200 or more in the UK, settled for a 5800x in the end as they are more like £140. I have a Rx 6800 and it's been serving me well. Ive just bought a 1440p monitor so I will see how the next few months serve me at 1440p and go from there.
@@EhEhEhEINSTEIN yeah, waiting on how gaming at 1440p 144 is like now I have a 5800x . Currently waiting for the monitor to arrive. Hoping after this gen releases and the next ones are in sight before I consider upgrading again but we shall see. It's been great not feeling the need to upgrade for ages but it's kinda thrown me out the loop 😂
I’m actually going from an i7-8700k I bought back in 2017 to a 9800X3D. I primarily game and the most productive thing I do is excel for our bills and remote into work overnight if needed. I will still be using my 8700k though for a dedicated pc for my sim racing rig.
Too expensive way too expensive parts and just stupid components that make no sense older stuff are deliberately being treated as outdated and confusing name schemes and ridiculous practices
I picked a Ryzen 7 7700X and Radeon 7800XT OC 16GB back in July for my First ever Ryzen based Desktop. With a B650 Motherboard which was fine for me, as it has all the features i wanted. This is Mixed use System, Not Gaming every hour, some Productivity tasks, Gaming, Music Listening, and a bit of video watching, and Light Encoding at times.
As a prospective new builder, I'd say the main issues are: 1) Case size vs cooler dimensions / GPU length / PSU dimensions. I spend hundreds on components and not know if they fit, unless I copy someone else's build. This is more of an issue with SFF but I don't want a massive case, so... 2) In depth gotchas for different mobo's working or not working with other components correctly. Everything's documented but with the best will in the world you can't read everything and the more you read the more conflictions you get.
Cases have manuals, which they post on their websites, read the manual to see if the parts fit. I built in a Terra case and a Dan A3. I had no problems figuring out if my parts fit.
Unless you go ridiculously large or overall space is at a premium, all that a slightly larger case will do is to allow for better airflow because you can fit more/larger fans.
More modern features like Ray Tracing and Path Tracing tend to be heavy on the CPU as well. The x3D cards are going to be notably better there, even at 4K. As well as in CPU heavy games like Dragon's Dogma 2. It's not just a low resolution advantage.
If the one you have works, why get a new one? Just because the new one has 12000 pixel instead of 10000 pixels ain't gonna make you a better gamer, regardless of what the reviewers and forum troll want you to believe. Get an eye exam, every two years, as you may need new glasses and get Ophthalmologist to do a full eye exam and have them check for color blindness. Then when you go to the Optometrist explain what your getting the glasses for as lens SIZE does matter.
Yeah, only did minor upgrades due to costs... And I even waited for black Friday deals! A 5700x3d for me, a 5700x for my wife, doubled my ram, gave her my old kit, and doubled her storage. I absolutely wanted the x3d for gaming and 1% lows. BeamNG has never felt better, but now my RX 590 is long in the tooth. It's been reliable though.
9800x3d is literally sold out all over for close to MSRP price. Microcenter is amazing but they constantly go out of stock. Why would I get a 7800x3d from Newegg when I can get a 9800x3d for same price.
Not sure if you’re in the US but they are being restocked like crazy. Up every few days on Amazon, and Best Buy and Newegg have also had recent restocks The micro center near me had plenty and I went and picked one up 3 days ago It’s getting much better
It's funny looking at old GPU reviews, back in the days of the GTX 280, 8800 GT, 3870, etc., noting that people had *fun* playing at 1024x768, with sub-60fps if they cranked up the detail, and how much Crisis put a strain on everything when it came out, yet people still played it (I bought 2x 8800 GT, the SLI scaling was superb). Back then 1280x1024 was midrange, 1600x1200 somewhat common, with 1920x1200 and 2560x1600 the highend, before the era when 1080p TV production ruined gaming resolutions, chopping off that glorious old vertical height (I loved my 22" CRT @ 2048x1536 for Oblivion IV, Crysis, Stalker and FC2). Nowadays there's this encouraged notion that somehow if the fps isn't 200+ and the resolution not at least as good as a hawk's eyeball then one obviously cannot enjoy the experience. It's all gone kinda nuts, and it's damaged game development I think because devs are now too averse to really pushing what modern hw can do as they don't want to end up with games that can't run at a bajillion fps, though some of course are now relying on upscaling and frame gen to cover the accompanying poor optimisation that's making things worse, introducing other visual defects and lag. Now we have 500Hz monitors and the beginning of 8K marketing, in an era where any serious attempt at boosting raster performance has been abandoned. The fps arms race never ends, nor will the tech shortcuts to chase the marketing numbers. I'm glad I'm happy with 1080p/60, beyond that is a money pit I don't want to explore, not yet.
Right. I don't get why everyone wants to play at 4k. I didn't start playing games at 2k until I got my 3070ti. I plan on sticking with 2k for a long time. It looks great on my 27" monitors IMO. My kids are still playing at 1080p on 27" monitors and I think it looks fine.
@@erictyler3259 i used laptops for work for 15 years or so, got uses to the ppi, when i finally got a desktop i got a 1080p 27" monitor and it was almost unused about outside of just watching movies because of how blurry it was, i jumped at the 4k stuff as soon as i could. i'll lower every other setting before resolution, even 1440p looks rough and i have diabetic retinopathy!
So basically in terms of a gaming pc, if your gaming @4k/high to max settings, you would want a faster gpu. If your gaming @1080p/competive low settings for high fps, you would want a faster cpu as long as it doesn't bottle neck your gpu. If your gaming @1440p you would want a more balance system depending on the in game settings? Im sure theres more nuances then this and I probably missed a lot but this is what I understand so far.
That's basically what he's saying. Yea there are other factors. But I think the point is he thinks consumers are being guilt tripped in to buying stuff they don't need. However he never took in to account upgrade paths and future proofing.
This just seems like a 9800X3D knock video. Sounds like Jay is implying you cant stream with a 9800X3D, which simply isnt the case. You can game, stream, and with have 10 tabs in chrome open without any issues. Jay also claims if you game in 4K the 9800X3D isnt worth it while the slides shown in the video shows as high as a 40FPS increase of the $600 285K. 40fps is huge... I remember when reviewers would rave over a 5fps increase to hit the magical 60 number in 4k. Also, if 4k is so gpu bound, that number should only increase as gpus increase. The truth is, unless your average day consists of rendering videos, graphic design, simulations, running VMs ect...the 9800X3D is THE cpu to have and will handle everything you throw at it and unless your building a budget PC, you really shouldnt consider anything else.
@christophermullins7163 Jays point is still a bad take. They mean more and more each year. Looking forward to GPU benchmarks with MFG. The CPU is still going to need to handle the "AI" generated frames. That 40FPS gap could jump to a 90FPS gap next week.
@@FLAsox i take your point. But I have to say that frame Gen does not rely on CPU performance at all. It is fully GPU bound and yes.. if you can hit 80fps with the CPU for a 3x for your 240fps single player games.. the experience will be stellar.
My problem: I bought a 13700k. It crashed due to a voltage problem for the first time the other day. I'd already updated the bios to the 'correct' version that should have fixed this. Now the first thing on my shopping list when I get a job again is to migrate my computer onto something AMD. Never buying another Intel CPU / board.
I bought a 13700k around Christmas but I couldn't run the XMP profile on my RAM without crashing. I ended up returning it along with the mobo. I got a 7800x3d instead (which felt bad since the 9800x3d is only $40 more but sold out) and my system is running nice a stable with AMDs version of XMP enabled without any issues. I won't be using an Intel CPU for the foreseeable future. I would definitely suggest coming over to AMD.
@@sentryion3106 NEVER had a single issue with my 13600k ,,, NEVER once had any customer report an issue in over 100 x 13600k builds. Horrendous ,, wow look guys we have a male Karen
For the build I just did back in Nov. (first time building), I went with an i7-12700k. It was only $170USD before tax and didn't have the 13th/14th gen issues, so I felt that it was a safe choice for the next few years or so. My advice would be to just be thorough in your research. Make sure to check not just the specs for your CPU and how those compare to the tasks you plan to use it for, but also check for things like if there's any known issues when using that CPU with the other parts you're looking at for the build or with the OS you're planning to use.
I had to get the 7700x wanted to get the x3d but at the end let's be honest 7700x was well enough the x3d is nice but let's be honest if you are on a budget just put the money into other parts like gpu / ram / psu (since each generation of gpu's is requiring more and more power ) P.S : love your work Jay last day i had to watch a bunch of your videos to optimize the airflow of my case :)
The cost to performance ratio between the 7700x and 5800x3d is absolutely worth it for most gamers! They perform nearly the same. The ratio between the 7700x and 7800x3d isn't worth it. At all! Lol! You made a killer choice! My son sold his 5800x and got a 5700x3d just to chop the .1% lows down and smooth out his SnowRunner experience... And holy cow! Go AMD 700 series! Great units for super reasonable prices!
I would disagree a little here Jay I've been streaming for 5 years now and upgraded from a Ryzen 3600 to a 7800X3D, I game esports titles at 1080p and things like D4 and POE2 at 4k. My experience (and hardware unboxed supported this theory through the number of cores for gaming thread - spoiler 6+ more cache was the winner) is that if you're limiter bashing your cpu (high framerate 1080p) then have your video card do the encoding for the stream, if you're at 4k then use a cpu core to do it. This eliminated the bottlenecks for the most part that the load streaming software put on framerates. If you're doing video processing to slice, dice, process them, then go beyond 8 cores (especially if time is money) otherwise you're not losing out much.
I had a GTX 1080 & i7-7700k and I could've gotten 5-6 more years out of it if i kept playing only league of legends & cs:go, I wanted to try out the newer games though and I can't be happier than with my new i9-14900k, and RTX 4090 (Asus TUFF edition), Ive had it for 6 months now and im very satisfied with gaming + workloads
I went from a i9-9900k to a 7800x3d and am still using the same low end graphics card a 3060 12 gb. I play a few very cpu intensive unoptimized games. Rust and escape from tarkov both running on the unity game engine. With my old cpu my gpu was bottlenecked bad like 40% gpu usage. Now its cranked up to 97-99%. I saw frame rate increases in rust of almost 2x. From 60-70 fps on rust vanilla servers to 120 ish now. And 90-100 on optimzed fps maps on modded servers to now around 150-200. Hard to judge tarkov right now because how unoptimized the new patch is but it is quite a bit better. For these very cpu intensive games that no one benchmarks in the tests there is a huge increase. But youtubers would never know because they dont benchmark them ever. Hint hint.
a 3060 12gb is not a low end graphics card.. lol The problem is people really think you need to upgrade to the highest thing a company has come out with the moment it comes out, which is the biggest waste of money you can do.
@ A 3060 (a 2020 mid-range card) is considered a low-end graphic card in 2025. Stop living in denial. Two generations later, technology marches forward and that's okay.
@@Sorak311 Whether or not it still performs good isn't relevant to what was being said, it absolutely is qualified as "low-end" in comparison to the GPUs being used for CPU benchmarking/reviews, so still seeing a bump in framerate while not having a top end GPU is what was being talked about. Low-end is relative to current GPU options, not a raw performance metric.
My advice is really think what workloads you want to run and how much you want to spend and work backwards from there. Everyone complains about how expensive everything is but if you don’t get greedy and are reasonable about your expectations you can build a good computer for a good price that will do what you need it to do
the entire point of the video is about productivity and hybrid usage. There's a reason an Intel cpu was used for the productivity slides for the 50 series.
The realistic repercussion is that consoles will make a comeback. MS will very likely be fast tracking the next Xbox for 2026, with 5080 comparable performance for $800.
It's definitely gotten pricey. Top tier 1080 Ti's used to be like $700. But if you game in 1080p or 1440p there are plenty of GPU's in the $550 or less bracket that are more than capable to max out any game. You don't need a 4090 unless you want to run 4k with all settings turned up. So that GPU is catering to a specific person.
@@holdenhodgdon3756consoles are generally 2-3 generations behind PC hardware. AMD won’t be anywhere close to providing an SOC that can give 5080-like perfromance next year.
9800x3d is great for 4K gaming too because most games are rendered at 1080p only to be upscaled to 4K by DLSS, FSR, XeSS etc. In reality you are playing 1080p where 9800x3d shines just upscaled to 4K.
If you spent 480 on an 8 core cpu you better have it mated to a 4090 and now 5090,and then you better have a 240hz 4k monitor or the entire thing is a waste
I will try to sum up the current issues with CPUs and the way they are being presented. From TechPowerUp: 1) 9800X3D - All game Average 1440p - 161.6 FPS | 8-Core | $480 2) 265K - All game Average 1440p - 148.9 FPS | 20-Core | $390 Global performance summary: 265K comes all around 13% faster than 9800X3D. So, the 265K performs just a little worse in 1440p gaming, 13% better when all aspects are considered, costs almost $100 less, gets more than twice the core count, but the 9800X3D is glorified while the 265K is being represented as trash. Someone please explain this logic to me. I am not implying that the 265K is a magnificent CPU, but the fact that we are praising a $500 8-CORE CPU, just because it gets you from 200 to 250 FPS in games, is absolutely wild to me. For context, in Europe, the 265K costs the equivalent of $500, while the 9800X3D costs $700.
It's cost less yes,and not terrible,even considered good upgrade if you are few gens behind. BUT. God forbid you want to upgrade the CPU in 1-2 years,because you have the budget,or whatever reason. You gotta buy a new MB as well,because intel socket changing fetish on almost every refresh/new lineup. And it will cost way more that way,then +100 usd now for a 9800x3d. If you know you won't be upgrading for 5+ years,because you don't want to play the newest games,or only play older ones then you'll be fine.
In Europe, they have tax included in listed price. In USA they don't so when a product says $750 it's usually $800+ depending on the tax rates in the state where you bought it from.
@@MistyKathrine I know but I figured the price everyone talks about is the one including the tax... but that would require similar taxes in all states and a bit of mental arithmetic... so I guess they don't.
My best advice is to listen to this video and HUB ;) Jokes aside, here is a quote: "It is easy to build *a house* as an engineer, however it is hard to build a resource and cost efficient house", similar can be said with many things, as like with picking the right computer parts to build a computer. As Jay said, understand your workload and build after it, to suit the needs rather than trying to get shoehorned into something else. Although...... having a "chart" from reviewers like "If your workload is gaming 1440 or 4K, then you might want this *range* of CPUs and put the rest of your budget on GPU", or some other kind of general tangible up to date guidelines based on *workload* and *budget* I like charts, specially the circle ones... they look like pies. Jay give us pies please! :P 🥧
I'd like to point out, the 9800X3D does wonders for 1% lows. I game at 4k, mostly, and moved to a 9800X3D from a 5900X and my games definitely feel a lot smoother from any frame time nonsense.
What Video card? Most testing I've seen online show very little Frame difference when running a 4090 and the 5600x3d, 7800x3d, or the 9800x3d once you start playing the higher resolutions (2k and 4k)there's very little difference between those three CPU's, Nothing anyone would notice with the naked eye anyway.
@@toddblankenship7164 7900XTX. I'd say it definitely depends on which game. And that's likely down to sh1t optimization that the 9800X3D just deals with better. That, and the 5900X is on two CCDs. Maybe that was making a difference for me in certain games.
The scary part is the stores and such being "cleaned out" might not be the people building rigs so much as the scalpers grabbing all the inventory on something that is already priced too high IMO.
I think the problem many face right now.. Is there isn't enough downtime to do work time then game time, then consume the hours of youtube/netflix/anime etc. Then comes, the balance of your pc and laptop specs.. There's no way you will tolerate a lagging laptop even for browsing purposes.. And windows 11 seems to be the worst iteration at catching Bluetooth devices nowadays. That's 2 high end systems or a high end laptop with a dock.. Personally my 4th gen Intel is still running OK. And it's not worth anything sold, so it's going to become scrap the moment I try to upgrade. Going to push it till one of the things mobo/processor dies
17:43 I recently bought one of those Erying MoDT boards with an i7 14650hx for a bit over $400cdn and i'm absolutely floored with it. Zero complaints with it at all. My machine isn't for gaming, I edit a decent amount of videos and photos as well as audio production and it barely notices i'm doing anything. Considering it has 2 full speed gen4 nvme slots plus a full speed gen3 nvme slot, a full gen4 x16 pcie slot and using intel xtu to max out a few settings it gets about 25k cinebench r23. I have absolutely nothing to complain about
Yea it’s way too expensive is the real issue.. It is ridiculous because people can barely afford to buy food in America, how are we supposed to justify building an overpriced PC.. Can’t game if we starve first..
Vell. America isn't the only marked.Basically gaming is for ppl whit money. If u can't afford it, u just have to do something else in life. PPL have more money than u tink. Allot of ppl can absolutely afford to by the best PC hardware.
When I built my pc last Feb I was starting from scratch and had zero idea what was what. I immediately wrote off Intel because trying to understand the differences between generations and what made K chips different from any of the others felt like an intentional F-U to unknowing buyers. I settled on a double 78 setup,, 7800X3D and 7800XT
K chip means its unlocked and can be overclocked. You choose wisely on the CPU as AMD is slappin Intel currently but if you play at 2k or 4k Nvidia is top dog and you'll get more years/Frames out of them.
Happily running my 5700X and I'm not missing any 3DVCache stuff, at all. If benchmarks and numbers matter to you, great. If not, look at your wallet first, I say :)
I went from a 2700 to a 5700X3D & said "meh" ...it drastically improves the 1% lows that happen between scene changes in benchmarks, but does nothing for max FPS. I only paid $100~ for it, so it wasn't bank breaking enough to be an actual disappointment. But I wouldn't have bothered if I had known what the actual improvement would be.
@@holdenhodgdon3756It entirely depends on the game and resolution. If you play GPU intensive games at a higher resolution you won't see that big of a difference, however for competitive shooters at 1080p a jump like that is likely to more than double your fps. I recently did a build with a 7800x3d, basically tripled my fps in some games. I helped a friend recently to upgrade from a 3600 to a 5700x3d and doubled the fps in the game he plays the most, which is Fortnite.
I upgraded from a i7-6700k and a 1070 to a 9800x3d and a 4080 super; playing on 1440p. I do seldomly stream and do light video editing, but i mostly just game. The generational difference for my upgrade is so huge for me that i honestly focused more on gaming performance uplift than anything else.
The actual only problem is the freaking cost is insane now and the improvements you're over year don't justify the year over year price increases either
As a member of team blue, what's ultimately kept me from upgrading is the exploding/oxidizing 13th and 14th gen CPUs. They claim they fixed it at a certain point, but with how poorly they handled it, I don't believe a word they say. I don't trust anything from those gens, and the core ultras are just too damn expensive for what you get. They're at one of their lowest ever points...
The real problem is not 'ONLY' that there so many options - the problem is that people doesn't know for what purpuse that they want to build a pc. There are people who is interested in development and productivity over gaming, and vice versa. FPS doesn't mean that your pc is strong enough for other applications.
My first AM5 system had some acquaintances calling me crazy for using 7700X and an A770. However, the few that have actually sat down and used my AM5 system were a bit baffled by how it runs. One game in particular get pushed to over 200fps with all settings on max while another consistently pushes 120+fps. While some would say "OMG!! That is too low!!": ir is perfect for me.
i'm glad i had my information straight when i started buying pc parts and didn't listen to randos on internet forums or in youtube comments. i did my research and kept hearing that the x3d cpus weren't as good for non-gaming stuff. i need my computer to be good for gaming AND for graphic design. i bought a 7900x when micro center had a good deal on them in late december. it may not be as amazing at productivity in comparison to those new intel cpus, but its gonna be one hell of an upgrade from my 9 year old macbook pro. the poor thing is on its last leg.
What you are saying here makes heaps of sense. While I game a lot on my 14900k, I also do video, spreadsheet and photo editing where those cores come really handy.
Something I would really appreciate is a build series where you actually put together ideal paired CPUs and GPUs. You and others have talked about this a lot and done it one at a time, but it would be super cool to see 5-10 systems lined up showing how they compare in money and performance. Maybe two lower end systems target 1080 low and 1080 high. Then two middle tier systems target 1440 low and high. Then two 4k systems. Expand on that as the variables make sense.
I was just in micro center yesterday, i'm trying to figure out what I want but I haven't built my own PC in years and I have a phobia of putting it all together and it being broken from something I did wrong. I'm also just out of the loop on a lot of the terminology and how it affects aspects of a build. I can't decide what Processor or motherboard I want to go with but those bundle deals are really enticing.
I got the i9-12900k from microcenter with their Motherboard and RAM bundle deal. It has been a fantastic CPU. Was VERY surprised to see it come out on top over the 9800x3d in almost all production workload tests, I had no idea! Thanks for comparing them it a way that wasn't gaming focused, as my workload is a healthy mix of rendering and gaming!
I'm currently running 2 builds: Build 1: 7950x, 64GB DDR5 6000mhz, 1TB m.2, 4070ti Build 2: 7600x, 64GB DDR5 6000mhz, 1TB m.2, 4060ti as an avid PC builder and IT professional it shouldn't matter what you have as long as you are happy with the experience the PC gives you, and that could be different for everyone, one person might be ok with a 3600x and a 1660ti because that's all they can afford and that's perfectly fine it's an incredible combination, another might need the higher thread counts and the massive amount of vram on the 90 class cards. there is no one size fits all CPU or GPU we all like the same thing PCs so we all should lift each other up rather than gatekeeping because that's what people do. all in all, a PC is a tool to achieve incredible workflows or massive amounts of dopamine regardless of the use I welcome anyone who wants to join the world of PCs.
I went from a 9900K to a 14700K on a B760 Gaming X AX motherboard. Ended up spending another $200 on an Arctic Cooler III AIO to keep the thing running cool. Once I also undervolted I have it running at 80C while under full load stress test in CPU-Z. After all the tweaking and tuning I’m very happy with it. Mixed use case with a fair amount of gaming on the 7800XT in the system.
My daughter wanted to upgrade her 2021 gaming computer and we just went with a MicroCenter Bundle of 9700x and B650 with 32GB of RAM. So far my daughter is loving life from her old machine. Even though she will not be doing any productivity on this machine the games she plays at her age of 22 she loves the upgrade in speed. We are waiting on the GPU so she will be upgrading later this year on that component. Thanks Jay for this video.
Channels like Toasty Bros are unique in the fact that they show how well older PCs can run many of the more common games. They'll pair a Ryzen 1600X with a Geforce 1660 Super and play some of the most popular games at decent framerates. And they can even run crysis, lol.
Jay it’s quite simple at every level of PC building. Cost, the cost is too high and availability is also an issue, plus the scammers screwing people over is not helping the situation.
I built my system 4 years ago with a 10th gen i9 10850K. My previous PC lasted 8 years, I'm quite sure this one will as well. Looking forward to see what is being offered when I do get around to upgrading. I did build my daughter a new 7800X3D system for Christmas and I was impressed with it when I benchmarked it.
I don't get people in comments complaining about incremental upgrades, when in practice you NEVER upgrade gen after gen. Also that's the reality of the things, we hit the wall with technological advancement and we're at the point of experimenting with different methods of improving the hardware further in a non-conventional way. That's why we get stuff like multiple dies, 3D cache, Frame Gens and so on. And I say, brace for it to stay that way for quite a while.
It would make sense that the manufacturers know that the CPU is not the limiting factor or they wouldn't be wasting space adding integrated graphics that nobody uses.
I changed couple of components last month. I don't care what people said but i upgraded from i7 5820K to Core Ultra 9 285K and i'm satisfied. It really doesn't matter if i game in 4K or not gaming. If people only play games in lower resolution, go for AMD. Intel Core Ultra 9 285K is a good CPU but not great in general. I have now ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z890 Hero, Intel Core Ultra 9 285K at 5,4GHZ P-cores, 4,6GHZ E-cores, 4 sticks of ram 64GB DDR5 6600Mhz CL32 (XMP enabled). Those 3 are needed for upgrade.
it's funny that Jay is saying the X3Ds are not shining @ 4k while pulling up graphs showing 1% lows that roughly match the average frames of the other processors. Mind you that the 4k benchmarks are with upscaled and balanced game settings so if you crank up settings even more, the difference would be slimmer, although this is probably a pretty realistic scenario to test as their is usually huge diminishing returns when you totally max out games these days.
Major problems.
1)Cost
2)Improvement from previous generation doesn't match the Price.
Scalpers are raising the prices.
And the competition is still weak hence why Nvidia doesn't care about lowering prices and barely lowering them for older gens.
And inflation has a part as well
@@SergeySedlovsky Scalping isn't something you can throw as the universal problem with all components. Stuff like motherboards and power supplies have gotten stupidly expensive during the past few years.
The sweet spot is today (01 2025) to buy like an amd series 5000 & 7000 for a desktop gaming config. The AMD 5800 3D seems to be super good.
These have been factors forever now though. PC gaming was always expensive and fk all performance increase per generation has only been a thing in the past 10 years imo. Used to be massive bumps now its fk all when we are maxing out chips. Either need to make CPUs/GPU dies bigger to cram more shit in or new tech
3) The power usage
I don't see many people talking about how the way the hardware market is going we will eventually require more power than a standard household outlet can provide without it being a dedicated 20amp circuit. I am already there but I am using a sim rig. If the power draw keeps rising it could become and issue for others as well.
Computers are like cars suprisingly. They can last a decade if it meets your current demands, and you take care of it. Every year I try to justify the big upgrade but my 1080, and i7-4790k from 2014 are doing fine I might get another 4 years out of it.
depends what your playing, that 1080 and CPU wont and simply cant get good frames on newer ish games. I expect you're playing older games or strategy games that frames dont matter and you dont care about turn load times.
I have a 4790/rx 580 system. Won’t run wu kong
@@toddblankenship7164 you're*
honestly depends, you may be heading into an issue on newer games if you want to play them but supposedly the cards that will last for basic rasterization (9070xt) may be a solution to not having to worry about anything for quite a number of years due to diminishing returns.... raytracing more or less is trying to provide a solution to a problem that was created
ironically.... the best pc right now to get may be an intel one if it comes down to price... just make sure you put a thermal limit on the chip so it can't try to burn itself to a crisp
personally i say do that to amd as well... running a 7900 cpu at 65 watts and getting 5.2 ghz... no reason to go higher
im in a similar situation. i7 8700k and 1080. still plays everything just fine at 2k. But a new 5000 series is very tempting. cpu will last a few more years.
The problem is that almost everything is too expensive
TRUE. BUT it is strange that we/they have so many new technology to make everything simple but people make it complicated and not in easy way or to do it in easy way
Time to boss up, man. Get your bag up
you forgot to add that each new release come with a price hike
Everything is too expensive and nobody wants to argue for higher wages across the board just because they think if you aren't Elon Musk you don't deserve any money
If you're not working, sure. I think people really overestimate what they need to run the games/software they play and use. I built a computer with an i7-8700K and 1060 6GB about 5 years ago and it's still holding up great. It's easy to get into the trap of wanting the latest and greatest and I'm for sure in that boat as well, now that I'm beginning to look at upgrading. Maybe I'm a shill but I think with how much computing performance has improved even from 5 years ago, I expect there to be a jump in cost -- R&D baby! It ain't cheap! Maybe they could put out better products for lower cost, but that's capitalism I guess. You don't NEED a brand-spankin'-new rig worth 5 grand. It's a privilege and making due with older (even last gen) hardware might be the most economical solution that we aren't willing to accept. It's easy to blame a company for pricing their components too high. The fact is that people are going to buy them either way because of that boat we all float in. Either pony up, or buy last-gen used components.. do you really need that 15% extra performance? My 1060 says.. well, probably not. Would it be nice? Definitely! But definitely not necessary. Just my TwoCents. 😜
"16 threads sounds like a lot, but it's really not."
Man I remember getting my first dual core CPU and thinking how amazing it was, how far we've come.
I'm running RDR2 (ultra settings @ 2k) on an i7/3070ti right now and 5 logical processors are actually working hard. 4 are barely above idle. I feel like I could've easily gotten by with an i5 processor. I also feel like I would have pretty much just as much fun if I was using an i3 processor, xx60 GPU, running at 1080p.
I'm still on the 7600k which is 4 cores with no hyperthreading. It's still doing pretty good, but it's limiting me since I upgraded my GPU from a GTX 1070 to RX 7800 XT
I remember years ago I was hyped on getting my first ryzen 4800hs laptop (8core16thread) and is super happy that my code compilation went from 40 seconds to 15, now I want those single digit compilations times with these new productivity beasts like the 285k and 9950x. Of course ram and ssds also are a factor in this.
I remember when I got my first 286 and 8 Gb RAM and finding that unlike the Amiga 500 w/512 Mb RAM, wasn't able to multitask and actually ran slower.
My pentium 4 was good enough for C&C Generals and UT2004.
Biggest problems for me personally....
1. Prices of things
2. Incremental upgrades not worth the money
3. Too many wild cards in new gen stuff
I treat PC's like iPhones. Skipping generations makes the most sense.... I'm on a 4 year old PC build and I'm ready for something new. Doing this every year is absurd.
a rtx 5060 will cost as much as a PS5 and give you less since ps5 is closed an optimized while AAA games get bad pc ports
cpus dont matter cause normal gamers cant even buy mid tier since its $750 for a gpu
@ I went from a first gen i7 to a 9th gen i7 in 2020. I guess I can't be accused of being trendy. When I built the first gen system it was a banger, now an i3 will blow it away. It was expensive AF back then.
Wild card? Is that a Persona reference?!
I am still running a I7 8700 LOL But i did grab a 3080 12gig but my system runs at 2k just fine. In the next year i would like to upgrade my motherboard, CPU and memory.
I'm using a 9600x that i purchased for 180$. I've been called an idiot, money waster, and many more in different pc building forums.
The efficiency, single core performance, and even multicore performance is immensely impressive.
Bro it's a good purchase, you're fine. People will have opinions on anything but don't have the money to buy shit. Your cpu is fine and will last you for years. Good purchase at a good price considering your performance depending on your GPU
really going to hold back your 5090
I have just upgraded from a 2600 to a 9600x. I dont play competitive anything, Cyberpunk, Space engineers etc. I want things to look good so I dont need the CPU performance. The Gpu is always going to be the limiting factor for me.
I am about to upgrade in a few months and the 9600x is exactly what I will be getting and it will be paired with my existing 6800 XT. The 9600x is a perfectly good CPU and dont let others get you down, its not their money and they likely dont even have a computer that good.
Running a 7600 and 7800xt with a sweet 1440p monitor. All I need
The problem I'm having is that the parts I want are either completely out of stock or the price is being driven up artificially. Like I don't want to pay $440 for a 7800x3d when the price was $100 cheaper just a few months ago. It's not even the top of the heap anymore!
If you have a microcenter near you they have a bundle for 599.99 that includes a mobo and 32gb of ddr5-6000 ram.
I’m going with a 9700x for $300 at microcenter. Cause yeah I’m not paying $480 for a cpu lmaoooo
@ the bundle for the 9700x is 429.99, 7700x bundle is 399.99.
That's a good price, in the UK a 7800x3d is £449 and a 9800x3d is £549, all the GPUS are crazy prices as well and that is if there is any stock
@@CosmikVoyager not big on those bundles they put dodgy mobos and ram
Just upgraded on Christmas from an I7-8700 to the 9800x3d. Yes, gaming is all I care about, but Jay is right if productivity is your aim then the 9800x3d isn't the right CPU. It wins games, not time in productivity.
Almost the same situation for me too. Upgraded from a 10900k to a 9800x3d in December. I am also a gamer first and have zero regrets about buying a product at the top of the stack. It goes nicely with my 4090.
How did it feel. I went from a OC 4.5ghz 4790K to a 7800x3d and it was like seeing a sunrise after years of being in dusk.
The problem I have is that shit is too fucking expensive.
Fuckin eggs! I agree! I mean why are we paying "premium" price hikes for base-ass standard motherboards that just added a seven segment display! Lol!
I had to sell my sister just for a 3070. Not about to sell my brother too
Can’t wait for the next 4 years
get ur money up broke bois
Gotta do what I did, buy two, build two, and sell one to cover the cost of the other. I built two 9800x3D PCs, sold one build for $600 profit that went towards the other build that I was keeping to replace my old 3950. I didn't feel like I was scalping either because I think it was a reasonable mark-up for the build labor etc and in line with other pre-built pricing and a large discount from most of them.
Honestly, if your system plays the games that you want well enough for you... Don't spend the money to upgrade. With the cost of parts nowadays, getting the most out of your builds and sticking with what works for you is always a good idea in my opinion.
I think the real conundrum is when you go to buy a new laptop in the store, and all them say i3 i5 or i7, and they don't even tell you what generation it's from.
then don't buy laptops, they are designed to fail in 2-3 years anyway
@@jameszeng2666 genius!
Tbh any consumer grade laptop is not worth buying at all. Get anything business grade used or refurbished and you will get a reliable, decently powered and repairable machine.
My problem is they are still selling 8th, 10th gen intels with retail pricing.
@JayzTwoCents, When I upgraded from my Ryzen 9 5900x to my 9800x3d using the same RTX 3080ti at 1440p I seen 20-30 fps average increase. But the biggest gains were the minimum framerate's which nearly doubled if not more depending on game.
Too many chips! And the names are God-awful.
What's your problem with "too many" choices buying a CPU? You'll get only one anyways... ideally the best for your usecase
The names do not matter IF a buyer pays attention to specs, performance reviews, and price. There is too much emphasis on this idea that we should be able to guess the capabilities of a very complex device based on its name. Ludicrous, and lazy.
@RegenTonnenEnte Hmm, should I get the Ryzen 5 3600? Or the Ryzen 5 3600X? Or the Ryzen 5 4500? Or the Ryzen 5 5500?
Wait, they're all kinda similar performance? Why bother having anything other than the 3600 then?
Hearing tech channels spell out every letter and number for CPUs and GPUs rapidly turns into white noise. In my head, I don't hear "Intel i7 14900KF and nVidia RTX 4090," I just hear "vmvmvm sehn foh-nahn KEF and ni-vi foh-nahhh."
Intel water lake zh2o. AMD sunrizen 6amxd
A problem is everyone believing they need the newest or highest spec system. I'm an ex-pat American living in Australia. Wind the clock back 1 yr, I built myself a PC -13900K, RX-7800XT, 32GBDDR-6200, NVME PCIE-4.0x4, running to 1440P Monitor. I built my Daughter a recreational system in June, a PC - AMD5800X3D (one of the last ones here), RX7800XT, 32GBDDR4-3466, NVME PCIE-4.0x4, running to 1440P Monitor. Both systems run without any compromises. In fact, the 5800X3D system never ceases to amaze me. If you didn't have a higher spec system running next to either system, but particularly the 5800X3D, you'd never notice much of a difference. Yes, there are scenarios where one or both of these systems will show weakness or limitation, but stop focusing on what a system can't do. Look at what YOU do and build systems with your NEEDs in mind.
Have an i5 11400 paired with an rx7800xt, can run everything in 1440p without issues, I want to update to AM5 but find it extremely expensive, MoBo pricing is just ridiculous.
Can’t agree more. I’ve been building around 20 PCs a year, and most of the time clients ask for a 4090 and 14900KF, wondering if it will give good FPS in 4K or even 8K. It’s just stupid and a waste of money, even if you’re super rich. All that AI upscaling hype is overblown; it’s just sad.
As for me, I’m still using an 11900KF, 32GB of 4400MHz DDR4 RAM, an RX 7800 XT, and a 1080p 144Hz 27-inch monitor. There isn’t a game I can’t run with maxed-out settings, and the 11900KF doesn’t bottleneck at all. Sure, ray tracing on ultra settings can be demanding, but what card handles ray tracing well anyway? I don’t care about ray tracing because I play games-I’m not watching them like a movie.
DLSS and FSR are totally useless to me because they ruin the image quality. Honestly, tech UA-camrs need to do better than just talking about stupid high-end stuff. It’s like brainwashing naive users.
got a 5800x3d and a 7900xt. runs great.
@@rocortega2064 Not sure if it's to do with the country you're in, but I'm in Canada and AM5 doesn't seem all that more expensive. During recent sales some of the best B650 mobos like the Asrock B650E PG Riptide, MSI B650 Tomahawk and B650 Aorus Elite AX were all available for less than $250 CAD. But not sure if that's gonna happen any more now that retailers are realizing Ryzen CPUs and AM5 mobos are in high demand. At the same time, can save you money in the long run since you don't need to buy a new motherboard to get a significant CPU upgrade several years down the line.
I just upgraded my AM4 system to the 5700X3D. Planning on running that one through to AM6 (or whatever).
The chip naming schemes need a full reset for both companies we all buy from.
To be fair Intel are trying to do that with just naming them Ultra, problem is they need to have codes to distinguish between the different revisions and that's where all that weird numbering came from
Intel always had it pretty "simple" with the number after the i increasing show casing the higher that number the better it is.
Then the next numbers just show the "age" really. A 9000 9th gen, 14000 14th gen..
Same can be said with Nvidia
AMD is the one who seems to be all over the place causing headaches with GPU and CPU naming conventions. I have no idea what is considered top tier AMD at the moment. Even though Jay said them about 30 times in this video, it hasn't stuck in my mind.
This is the only reason I have really stuck with Intel. I feel so lost with AMD and I don't care that much to do the homework for a few extra FPS
Pentium and Celeron are good names but nowadays they are used for small CPUs on the side. Core or ultra is way too generic. I hope Intel brings back the silly names for the main chips .
That and monitors.
My best advice to everybody out there. Stop buying anything until I get what I need then go ahead.
I bet a good chunk of people building PC's right now are preparing for the Tariffs. Wish more people talked about how it would affect the hobby
Ok calm down. Your woman lost. Move on
@@beastlygamers7779funny. The thing is everyone middle class and lower has lost. Some people just don’t understand
@@biomechanism1 I'm middle class and I feel like I won because Kamala lost. Deal with it.
There will be no tariffs. They've been kicked down the road for many years and it's just a story the media uses to rile people into a pointless frenzy.
@@biomechanism1 I won big time when he was POTUS last time. And I am certainly middle class and blue collar.
I keep hearing hardware people on UA-cam talk about the ability to upgrade a CPU. I was a gamer and am still an hardware enthusiast. Just with less money now I have a family. I know many other very tech people. By the time we would think of upgrading the CPU, we would usually be looking at used parts, and it makes more sense to go for a new platform.
It is true that I don't know any hyper, must constantly upgrade my computer all the time people, but considering the tech community I'm a part of, you'd think there would be at least one out of hundreds of people. That just tells me how rare people who actually upgrade CPUs are.
I do through multiple graphics cards on each of my computers over the years. I used to switch out my sound card quite often, back when it mattered. I've switched out some HDDs for SSDs, or have had to replace many an old HDD that has died, or just run out of space. I've even had a few motherboards blow. All of those have been AMD system. I've upgrade RAM. Never replaced a CPU. So my thought is buy a good CPU that will last you until your next one. Buy the correct CPU for your workload.
I personally will still stick to Intel because I value reliability. Yes, I know about the 13th and 14th gen fiascos. I am also watching these tech UA-camrs constantly apologize for AMD. Don't buy too fast RAM, as you may need to clock it lower than what it is capable of. Understand, the RAM you buy, no matter the company, even if it is EXPO certified may not work with your AMD CPU. I mean WTF,, RAM that is certified for AMD may not work with some AMD processors? I understand that even the latest Ryzen CPUs still have stability problems. They go fast, as long as you don't mind them crashing every once in a while at stock speeds. You can get them to be almost completely stable, just underclock them by 10%-15%. Your RAM may, or may not work, they crash every once in a while. Intel, mostly things just work.
As a programmer, sometimes content creator. I want things just to work.
Please AMD, after 30 years, can you please start releasing reliable CPUs? I understand you finally got your thermals under control. Now fix your memory controller, and anything else leading to stability problems. I want a choice, and I already got burned in the past by you. No, literally, I bought the Athlon XP because of its good reputation. It hit 40C where I live one day and the CPU overheated blowing both the CPU and frying the motherboard. My Intel board the next year thermal throttled and then shut down to protect from damage.
Just got to the end of the video
Intel Core I7-4470K
32gb DDR3 1888mhz
AMD Radeon RX 6800 16gb
Yes, I know my graphics card is massively being held back by my CPU, but I am using it for some AI work, and I plan to upgrade my platform this year. Actually, I was surprised at the uplift I saw in some games over my RX 480.
The real problem is that almost everything thing that comes out is out of stock or priced way to expensive,
Yeah, I can never get a hold of anything when it first comes out because everyone beats me to the punch and I refuse to pay over msp for anything.
You can wait... I never get anything as soon as it comes out.
@@farmeunitas a bonus, it's cheap AND the firmware is much better than on release
It's because gamers want it because it's new and most don't realize that what they already have will still allow them play their games just as well or in some cases the "old" tech will even work better.
Microcenter are a godsend on times like these. Those bundles are clutch.
I really wish they had more locations in the West. The nearest one to me is literally like 700 miles away so I've never actually been to one.
7700x here, does a great job at 4K gaming, runs. My live stream in the back temps are still fine under 80°. There's room for improvement but not necessary for my needs and I think that's the main issue, getting something that is worthwhile for your needs
Not really a gamer anymore and got the 7700x on sale during Amazon prime day and am perfectly happy with it.
The amount of man childs I have to deal with that scorn at the 7700X just because it doesn't have the 3D at the end is ridiculous. Great CPU.
Is your cpu cooling up to par?
Honestly great CPU that should be sufficient for many people.
@jarchack I got it on sale from the Micro Center in Flynt, Michigan, in early December. From my research, it is very balanced cpu let's you game and dabble in productivity.
Thank you for having this discussion! Gaming seems to be the only thing channels talk about and fps. As you hint at, there is much more to an overall system
My 7800X3D was a big improvement for the games i play. I do play in 4K, but a lot of my games are quite CPU heavy. The FPS improvement was almost like going up a tier on my graphics. I am really happy with it.
CPU performance matters less at 4k.. but it never doesn't matter. Both statements are true 100%.
Similar situation for me. Upgraded from a 10900k to a 9800x3d. I was able to use DLSS frame gen on my 4090 to stay in high refresh rate territory on the 10900k in CPU demanding games but there's still a noticeable difference in many titles after upgrading.
@ similar.. i play 4k with 5600 and 4070 ti super. Sometimes rarely the cpu drops below 60. cyberpunk rt ultra is a great balance at least with low npc. I am looking for the right deal to get on am5.. didnt want to spend $400 to get 7700x that is only 25% faster in most games. doesnt look like i will be able to get 7800x3d for a reasonable price so i should setting on something soon. Any idea if we will get a 7700x3d?
Do you recommend the 9800x3d of I want to stream and game on the same computer?
@@TheBigZ0603i find u statement confusing. So i did not on the 3D?
The 9800X3D being basically a mythical Pokemon in terms of stock/availability here in EU is what pushed me into reconsidering whether I would even make good use of it, and knowing that I don't want just a PC that pushes high framerates but can also do some occasional image/video editing or compiling code is how I've now landed on the 9900X instead. Would've even gone for the 9950X if the budget allowed it but 9900X should do the job either way.
I've wanted a 9800x3D since launch, but it has been out of stock (available for preorder only) in all stores here since launch. This seems to drive the price through the roof, and even though I can afford it, it doesn't seem worth it at the moment. My 8086k will remain good enough until the prices drop again.
I got a 9900x for 332 from Newegg over the holiday and it has been incredible and a 9800x3d would have been sold out
Ordered one yesterday from amazon, it's in stock on scan, overclockers, CCL...
@@thorbear Yeah, I'd just hold out. 100% not worth paying scalper prices when you can just wait until the craze dies down and it ends up back in stock somewhere.
@@Gardelias *patiently waiting for the 9900x3d*
Finding the pc parts you need is hell tbh....
Na, it's half the fun. Building and tweaking it is the other.
I'm a mechanical engineer and it took me a month of researching performance benchmarks to just break down and buy a 7800x3d for my personal gaming rig. BUT that's not the answer for everyone, grandma doesn't need v-cache for facebook browsing and neither do my professional programs or huge spreadsheets where intel still rules. It's the same as always, research is your friend and explainer videos like these are exactly what's needed to start understanding instead of riding hype trains. By the way, my cpu is absolutely asleep right now since I only have a 3060ti and a 60hz monitor, further upgrades are already in the works to actually utilize that performance.
Hope you are doing good and are safe over there with the fires brother. Stay safe.
Fires old news
@@louislitt530 What a STUPID thing to say....the fires are still going, LA wont be the same for more than a decade
Hes luckily about 40 miles from the nearest one
@@louislitt530 It very much isn't.
@@holdenroth5929 It is cuz it happens every year, at least twice.
last weekend i built my first pc for the very first time and no matter how nervous and worried I was, all I kept getting told on reddit was how dare you buy the 9950x when there are x3d chips available!!!!!!!!!!!!
but they aren't available! Atleast not at reasonable prices and the 7800x3d at MSRP considering its now old and outdated does Not count, lol 9950x is great tho.
I’ve built dozens of computers over the years and I just bought a 5600X for my new desktop built. You’re absolutely fine.
Great choice! I went with a 9900X recently, bought just under $400, and I am SUPER happy with it but ALMOST went with yours instead.
Reddit is a dumpster fire for egomaniacs!
I'm happy with my Ryzen 9 5900X 128GB DDR4 Ram @3200, games perfectly, streams perfectly, runs all my editing software perfectly. Def if you are going for a mix case PC use, do not go with the 3D series, just get a normal chipset for production while being able to game at a negligible difference.
(Sorry everyone I put 5800X rather than 5900X initially, fixed it, thanks for the point out)
Ryzen 7 5800x...... or Ryzen 9 5900x. R9 5800x doesn't exist.
Man, that's sure a huge amount of ram
Ryzen 9 5800x?! Wha?
Currently specing out a Dev PC for gcc testing of multiple device's FW connected via COM. The 7950(X) and Ultra-285 look really good. No GPU needed. People need to learn to spec their machines to a given use-case.
5950x paired with 1080ti sli, still doing great, no problem working or gaming.
Daily driving my 2500k / Z77 right now. Other retro builds include a 6700k, 6850k, 2 x 6900k, TR4 1950X, 8700k, 9900X, - 10920X, and 2 x 10850k's I'm working on now. Thankyou, and others, for the videos, both past and present. I've watched 100's of them, mostly in the last few years. Being an ex- military tech., loved restoring Ol' Muscle Cars in the past, retired, single and in a house, I have 10 Retro, semi- Clones with my own twist, builds on the Go right now. I've almost completed a Replica of Linus's first 'All ROG Build', that I hadn't originally planned on building. Hadn't seen his video when I saw a Helios Case on C.L. and bought it a couple of years ago. The seller told me it was only used for someone's UA-cam video but wouldn't tell me his name. I found out 3 weeks later when I saw / read the original packing/ shipping address and information on the Helios Box. Damn, now I had to bite the bullet, $$ parts, even if it's used. So now, influenced by you and other's, I'm building Ol' FlagShip Builds from the past I've seen or imagined . Thanks for the company. This Ol' Dog is . . . learning new tricks.
I used to have a 2500K, I used that one for like 7 years. That was such a great price to performance CPU in it's day.
I got a 7600x for $140 on sale and paired it with a 4080. The 4080 runs at 100% almost 24/7 when playing intense games and from what I can tell is not bottlenecked. I'm super happy with the build.
same here, I got 7600X with TUF 4080 Super. No bottlenecks at all in 4k gaming. Only lowers GPU utilization when the game is an unoptimized pile of 💩
Thank you so much for releasing this! I had a 9800X3D in the cart and this completely changed my mind as I stream, game, run Spotify, and other various programs at the same time.
I am the type of gamer who likes my CPU to last 5-7 years, and swap GPUs every 2-3 years. I got the 9800x3d even though it completely GPU binds my rig (12gb 3080) because I am expecting to upgrade GPU this or next year. I am confident the 9800x3d will still be a bad ass gaming CPU in 5 years.
Exactly Same for me although I have a 3080ti
This is the way. Same exact reason why I bought a 9800x3D. I plan on holding on to my rig for a long time and just upgrade GPUs here and there for the next 6 years.
I find it hard to really try and predict how long the 9800X3D will stay relevant for in gaming. That said, I have one as well because money wasn't an issue and I just wanted my first X3D CPU to be the best. I'm very pleased with it.
Same here,just got a 9800X3d for MSRP price,so i was lucky. My plan is,if the 9800x3d fall off for any reason over the years,i can still upgrade to better cpu without buying a new PC,cos AMD don't change their socket every year. Even if they stop supporting am5 let's say in 2027-28 i still can buy the best/latest cpu for am5,and with that,it may even last until the whole am6 gen. Either way,better long term investment,than any Intel cpu,if you look at the upgrade path.
This would be a great strategy in a few months when the 9800x3d craze dies down and they're back in stock at realistic prices.
Never worth paying scalper price.
The main problem is "OUT OF STOCK" or price gouging on X3D processors. Trying to get a new build underway, can't even find the CPU I want (9800X3D), that hasn't been price gouged way over MSRP. Thinking now to buy a "X" CPU compatible with the AM5 socket, and wait for the supply to hopefully catch up.
There's also another category of games where x3d cpus shine which are rarely mentioned here, regardless of resolution - simulation bound games. Games like Stellaris, Factorio, Satisfactory and Rimworld etc where the issue is not the actual FPS, but how fast the simulation can be run is vital to these games. A few generations ago most of us all gave up on Stellaris games after the mid-game since the slowdown made the game literally unplayable. Each time-unit ingame took more seconds as the time in the game progressed up to the point where the gameplay became too slow and soft-forced a restart of the game. The Ryzen X3D cpus are much stronger in these types of games, and you can see at the the Gamers Nexus reviews of cpu which do include Stellaris in their benchmarks.
JayZ should at least mention this as an exception to the reasoning of which CPU to choose based on what kind of games you're playing, regardless of resolution.
It might sound crazy but I’m gonna go with a 12700K this gen simply bc I already own it and money is tight.
That's not crazy at all if it works for you that's just fine and there's nothing wrong with that chip.
@@kevinsteinman8967 12700K is what I'm rocking! Though I'm on a DDR4 board since DDR5 was prohibitively expensive (and mostly unavailable) when I got it.
I have a i7-12700KF paired with a 3070ti. I feel like it's more than enough cpu for me. It's generally chugging along at maybe 30% with my GPU maxed out. I bet I can keep this cpu for a couple more generations of GPU's.
@@erictyler3259 it’s a great CPU! Before I had it with my 2080 and then I was super fortunate to actually be given a 7900XTX and even with this GPU it rarely bottlenecks. Only 2 games have I seen my GPU not maxed out at 1440p ultrawide, and they’re both over 100fps so I can’t complain. Lol I’ll stick with it for a while as well.
@@MistyKathrine Not a thing wrong with that. The 12 series is probably the best series that intel put out with all the problems with the 13/14th gen going on with the microcode. Course motherboard manufactures are at fault also for pushing extreme limits to claim they are better. Same on the AMD side of the road also with Asus pushing extreme voltage but not honoring warranties also plus AMD not giving strict guidelines either. Reason I'll never purchase anything Asus ever again.
Still want to see XTX vs. 9070 vs 5080 vs. 5090 on a duo 4K
Just want to see stats. My Rig is only a year 1/2 old. Not planning to update unless shows like 50% in rasterization. You will have to show me that fake frames aren’t so bad in other ways.
AMD cant compete at those resolutions and even stated their out of that market.
50% raster? You'll have to be at 4070 ti 7900 xt to see 50% uplift on a 5090 from the charts Nvidia showed.
fun fact hub used upscaling not native 4k. in native 4k they are all the same.
4 months ago 78003d price is 350EU, now price is 600EU. What madness is this?
@@koraykorac5463 i present to you the € symbol
I had to buy the 7700x 550/600€ for the 7800x3d it’s insane
I typically aim mid-tier, when I want to make a new build. I look up the highest end, the lowest end, then aim somewhere just below the middle in price. Then I start making compromises from there.
after not upgrading my pc since ryzen 3000 release coming back into it was very overwhelming and the prices today are astronomical. The improvement from generation to generation isn't worth the extortionate costs we are now facing I ended up setting my budget i was comfortable with and saying screw it this will do because otherwise id have spent hours and hours staring at benchmarks and price listings at new stuff that honestly isn't worth my time or money. Im glad im already in with decent enough pc because right now is not a good time to be trying to build a new pc from scratch. Not only are the prices bad, but the naming of new cpus/gpus etc are all very confusing unless youve been following with a close eye for a while, its honestly off putting
I follow the market closely enough to not be overwhelmed by upgrades but I have 2 machines both running a 3700x, one with a 2080 on a 1080p 75hz monitor and the other with a 6950xt and a 3440x1440@144 monitor. They're both totally fine for the games I play. I love not feeling obligated to upgrade, especially this time of year when everyone has massive tech boners over all the latest and greatest. I hope both companies sell a shitload of all their high end stuff, I'll be stoked to pick up cheaper used parts in a couple of years when everyone moves on again.
You have a Ryzen 3000.
Buy a 5700x3d 4 170 Bucks
Get a 5070 or 9070xt in 4 Weeks and u are good to go.
Best bang 4 the buck in Ur case
@@m.d404 they are about £200 or more in the UK, settled for a 5800x in the end as they are more like £140. I have a Rx 6800 and it's been serving me well. Ive just bought a 1440p monitor so I will see how the next few months serve me at 1440p and go from there.
@@EhEhEhEINSTEIN yeah, waiting on how gaming at 1440p 144 is like now I have a 5800x . Currently waiting for the monitor to arrive. Hoping after this gen releases and the next ones are in sight before I consider upgrading again but we shall see. It's been great not feeling the need to upgrade for ages but it's kinda thrown me out the loop 😂
@@EhEhEhEINSTEINused is never good but if you’re struggling that badly I guess 💀
I’m actually going from an i7-8700k I bought back in 2017 to a 9800X3D. I primarily game and the most productive thing I do is excel for our bills and remote into work overnight if needed. I will still be using my 8700k though for a dedicated pc for my sim racing rig.
Too expensive way too expensive parts and just stupid components that make no sense older stuff are deliberately being treated as outdated and confusing name schemes and ridiculous practices
I picked a Ryzen 7 7700X and Radeon 7800XT OC 16GB back in July for my First ever Ryzen based Desktop. With a B650 Motherboard which was fine for me, as it has all the features i wanted. This is Mixed use System, Not Gaming every hour, some Productivity tasks, Gaming, Music Listening, and a bit of video watching, and Light Encoding at times.
As a prospective new builder, I'd say the main issues are:
1) Case size vs cooler dimensions / GPU length / PSU dimensions. I spend hundreds on components and not know if they fit, unless I copy someone else's build. This is more of an issue with SFF but I don't want a massive case, so...
2) In depth gotchas for different mobo's working or not working with other components correctly. Everything's documented but with the best will in the world you can't read everything and the more you read the more conflictions you get.
PC Partpicker exists lmao
+1 PC part picker does a fantastic job in their builder tool when it comes to making sure components will be happy together
Cases have manuals, which they post on their websites, read the manual to see if the parts fit. I built in a Terra case and a Dan A3. I had no problems figuring out if my parts fit.
@ newegg also lists in the spec sheet what types of components fit in a case. GPU length PSU length CPU cooler height etc
Unless you go ridiculously large or overall space is at a premium, all that a slightly larger case will do is to allow for better airflow because you can fit more/larger fans.
More modern features like Ray Tracing and Path Tracing tend to be heavy on the CPU as well. The x3D cards are going to be notably better there, even at 4K. As well as in CPU heavy games like Dragon's Dogma 2. It's not just a low resolution advantage.
Well. The 3DX is not an Hige resolusjon disadvantage.. so what's the deal.
The bottleneck is getting the monitors now.
My 360hz oled monitor 1440p monitor is so sexyyyy
If the one you have works, why get a new one? Just because the new one has 12000 pixel instead of 10000 pixels ain't gonna make you a better gamer, regardless of what the reviewers and forum troll want you to believe.
Get an eye exam, every two years, as you may need new glasses and get Ophthalmologist to do a full eye exam and have them check for color blindness.
Then when you go to the Optometrist explain what your getting the glasses for as lens SIZE does matter.
Yeah, only did minor upgrades due to costs... And I even waited for black Friday deals! A 5700x3d for me, a 5700x for my wife, doubled my ram, gave her my old kit, and doubled her storage. I absolutely wanted the x3d for gaming and 1% lows. BeamNG has never felt better, but now my RX 590 is long in the tooth. It's been reliable though.
9800x3d is literally sold out all over for close to MSRP price. Microcenter is amazing but they constantly go out of stock. Why would I get a 7800x3d from Newegg when I can get a 9800x3d for same price.
Not sure if you’re in the US but they are being restocked like crazy. Up every few days on Amazon, and Best Buy and Newegg have also had recent restocks
The micro center near me had plenty and I went and picked one up 3 days ago
It’s getting much better
I am giving my boy my 14700kf and got myself a 14900kf as I do 50/50 gaming and image processing. Was excited to see the massive price drop
Maybe the core of the problem is resolution and fps greed
It's funny looking at old GPU reviews, back in the days of the GTX 280, 8800 GT, 3870, etc., noting that people had *fun* playing at 1024x768, with sub-60fps if they cranked up the detail, and how much Crisis put a strain on everything when it came out, yet people still played it (I bought 2x 8800 GT, the SLI scaling was superb). Back then 1280x1024 was midrange, 1600x1200 somewhat common, with 1920x1200 and 2560x1600 the highend, before the era when 1080p TV production ruined gaming resolutions, chopping off that glorious old vertical height (I loved my 22" CRT @ 2048x1536 for Oblivion IV, Crysis, Stalker and FC2).
Nowadays there's this encouraged notion that somehow if the fps isn't 200+ and the resolution not at least as good as a hawk's eyeball then one obviously cannot enjoy the experience. It's all gone kinda nuts, and it's damaged game development I think because devs are now too averse to really pushing what modern hw can do as they don't want to end up with games that can't run at a bajillion fps, though some of course are now relying on upscaling and frame gen to cover the accompanying poor optimisation that's making things worse, introducing other visual defects and lag.
Now we have 500Hz monitors and the beginning of 8K marketing, in an era where any serious attempt at boosting raster performance has been abandoned. The fps arms race never ends, nor will the tech shortcuts to chase the marketing numbers.
I'm glad I'm happy with 1080p/60, beyond that is a money pit I don't want to explore, not yet.
Right. I don't get why everyone wants to play at 4k. I didn't start playing games at 2k until I got my 3070ti. I plan on sticking with 2k for a long time. It looks great on my 27" monitors IMO. My kids are still playing at 1080p on 27" monitors and I think it looks fine.
@@erictyler3259 i used laptops for work for 15 years or so, got uses to the ppi, when i finally got a desktop i got a 1080p 27" monitor and it was almost unused about outside of just watching movies because of how blurry it was, i jumped at the 4k stuff as soon as i could.
i'll lower every other setting before resolution, even 1440p looks rough and i have diabetic retinopathy!
So basically in terms of a gaming pc, if your gaming @4k/high to max settings, you would want a faster gpu. If your gaming @1080p/competive low settings for high fps, you would want a faster cpu as long as it doesn't bottle neck your gpu. If your gaming @1440p you would want a more balance system depending on the in game settings? Im sure theres more nuances then this and I probably missed a lot but this is what I understand so far.
That's basically what he's saying. Yea there are other factors. But I think the point is he thinks consumers are being guilt tripped in to buying stuff they don't need. However he never took in to account upgrade paths and future proofing.
"Faster" is always better, doesn't matter what u do
This just seems like a 9800X3D knock video.
Sounds like Jay is implying you cant stream with a 9800X3D, which simply isnt the case. You can game, stream, and with have 10 tabs in chrome open without any issues.
Jay also claims if you game in 4K the 9800X3D isnt worth it while the slides shown in the video shows as high as a 40FPS increase of the $600 285K. 40fps is huge... I remember when reviewers would rave over a 5fps increase to hit the magical 60 number in 4k. Also, if 4k is so gpu bound, that number should only increase as gpus increase.
The truth is, unless your average day consists of rendering videos, graphic design, simulations, running VMs ect...the 9800X3D is THE cpu to have and will handle everything you throw at it and unless your building a budget PC, you really shouldnt consider anything else.
CPU matters less at 4k but it never doesn't matter.
@christophermullins7163 Jays point is still a bad take. They mean more and more each year. Looking forward to GPU benchmarks with MFG. The CPU is still going to need to handle the "AI" generated frames. That 40FPS gap could jump to a 90FPS gap next week.
@@FLAsox i take your point. But I have to say that frame Gen does not rely on CPU performance at all. It is fully GPU bound and yes.. if you can hit 80fps with the CPU for a 3x for your 240fps single player games.. the experience will be stellar.
Perfect timing. I needed this to remind me that I don't need a 9800x3d, my 7800x3d is more than enough for Helldivers at 4K
My problem: I bought a 13700k. It crashed due to a voltage problem for the first time the other day. I'd already updated the bios to the 'correct' version that should have fixed this.
Now the first thing on my shopping list when I get a job again is to migrate my computer onto something AMD. Never buying another Intel CPU / board.
I bought a 13700k around Christmas but I couldn't run the XMP profile on my RAM without crashing. I ended up returning it along with the mobo. I got a 7800x3d instead (which felt bad since the 9800x3d is only $40 more but sold out) and my system is running nice a stable with AMDs version of XMP enabled without any issues. I won't be using an Intel CPU for the foreseeable future. I would definitely suggest coming over to AMD.
@@GameWithCjay Intel is simply superior
@@tilapiadave3234at crashing your build? The 13 14th gen debacle was horrendous.
265k ultra is the better option at the current price of 370$
@@sentryion3106 NEVER had a single issue with my 13600k ,,, NEVER once had any customer report an issue in over 100 x 13600k builds. Horrendous ,, wow look guys we have a male Karen
For the build I just did back in Nov. (first time building), I went with an i7-12700k. It was only $170USD before tax and didn't have the 13th/14th gen issues, so I felt that it was a safe choice for the next few years or so.
My advice would be to just be thorough in your research. Make sure to check not just the specs for your CPU and how those compare to the tasks you plan to use it for, but also check for things like if there's any known issues when using that CPU with the other parts you're looking at for the build or with the OS you're planning to use.
I had to get the 7700x wanted to get the x3d but at the end let's be honest 7700x was well enough the x3d is nice but let's be honest if you are on a budget just put the money into other parts like gpu / ram / psu (since each generation of gpu's is requiring more and more power )
P.S : love your work Jay last day i had to watch a bunch of your videos to optimize the airflow of my case :)
The cost to performance ratio between the 7700x and 5800x3d is absolutely worth it for most gamers! They perform nearly the same. The ratio between the 7700x and 7800x3d isn't worth it. At all! Lol! You made a killer choice! My son sold his 5800x and got a 5700x3d just to chop the .1% lows down and smooth out his SnowRunner experience... And holy cow! Go AMD 700 series! Great units for super reasonable prices!
I would disagree a little here Jay
I've been streaming for 5 years now and upgraded from a Ryzen 3600 to a 7800X3D, I game esports titles at 1080p and things like D4 and POE2 at 4k.
My experience (and hardware unboxed supported this theory through the number of cores for gaming thread - spoiler 6+ more cache was the winner) is that if you're limiter bashing your cpu (high framerate 1080p) then have your video card do the encoding for the stream, if you're at 4k then use a cpu core to do it.
This eliminated the bottlenecks for the most part that the load streaming software put on framerates.
If you're doing video processing to slice, dice, process them, then go beyond 8 cores (especially if time is money) otherwise you're not losing out much.
I got i7-14700 last year for gaming and light video editing. Using RX 7900 XTX and a Samsung Odyssey Neo G9 57”.
I had a GTX 1080 & i7-7700k and I could've gotten 5-6 more years out of it if i kept playing only league of legends & cs:go, I wanted to try out the newer games though and I can't be happier than with my new i9-14900k, and RTX 4090 (Asus TUFF edition), Ive had it for 6 months now and im very satisfied with gaming + workloads
if u wait for holidays, you'll get big savings on your build
I went from a i9-9900k to a 7800x3d and am still using the same low end graphics card a 3060 12 gb. I play a few very cpu intensive unoptimized games. Rust and escape from tarkov both running on the unity game engine. With my old cpu my gpu was bottlenecked bad like 40% gpu usage. Now its cranked up to 97-99%. I saw frame rate increases in rust of almost 2x. From 60-70 fps on rust vanilla servers to 120 ish now. And 90-100 on optimzed fps maps on modded servers to now around 150-200. Hard to judge tarkov right now because how unoptimized the new patch is but it is quite a bit better. For these very cpu intensive games that no one benchmarks in the tests there is a huge increase. But youtubers would never know because they dont benchmark them ever. Hint hint.
Facts. A lot of UA-camrs seem to never talk about this, for real.
a 3060 12gb is not a low end graphics card.. lol The problem is people really think you need to upgrade to the highest thing a company has come out with the moment it comes out, which is the biggest waste of money you can do.
@ A 3060 (a 2020 mid-range card) is considered a low-end graphic card in 2025. Stop living in denial.
Two generations later, technology marches forward and that's okay.
@@AngelicRequiemX We can see you have drunk the koolaid
@@Sorak311 Whether or not it still performs good isn't relevant to what was being said, it absolutely is qualified as "low-end" in comparison to the GPUs being used for CPU benchmarking/reviews, so still seeing a bump in framerate while not having a top end GPU is what was being talked about. Low-end is relative to current GPU options, not a raw performance metric.
My advice is really think what workloads you want to run and how much you want to spend and work backwards from there. Everyone complains about how expensive everything is but if you don’t get greedy and are reasonable about your expectations you can build a good computer for a good price that will do what you need it to do
There's a reason why Nvidia used the 9800X3D in their slides for the 50 series. DLSS and X3D is a pretty good boost.
the entire point of the video is about productivity and hybrid usage.
There's a reason an Intel cpu was used for the productivity slides for the 50 series.
@SeraSxF I wouldn't call it the "entire" point of this video. Unless Jay changes the title three times like he usually does.
Bought an AMD Ryzen 9 7900x a few weeks ago for my mini-ITX build and i'm very happy with its performance
The real problem is price, 2000$ for just a gpu is absolutely insane. The 7090 is gonna be 5000$ at least
So why buy that one? Get the 5080, 5070ti or one of the AMD offerings.
You don't need a halo product.
The realistic repercussion is that consoles will make a comeback. MS will very likely be fast tracking the next Xbox for 2026, with 5080 comparable performance for $800.
It's definitely gotten pricey. Top tier 1080 Ti's used to be like $700.
But if you game in 1080p or 1440p there are plenty of GPU's in the $550 or less bracket that are more than capable to max out any game. You don't need a 4090 unless you want to run 4k with all settings turned up. So that GPU is catering to a specific person.
Good thing the 9070 is going to be priced at 600. Get in while the irons hot.
@@holdenhodgdon3756consoles are generally 2-3 generations behind PC hardware. AMD won’t be anywhere close to providing an SOC that can give 5080-like perfromance next year.
The Sweet Spot for most people gaming is about two or three hundred dollars for a processor
9800x3d is great for 4K gaming too because most games are rendered at 1080p only to be upscaled to 4K by DLSS, FSR, XeSS etc. In reality you are playing 1080p where 9800x3d shines just upscaled to 4K.
This is rage bait.. just not for me.
If you spent 480 on an 8 core cpu you better have it mated to a 4090 and now 5090,and then you better have a 240hz 4k monitor or the entire thing is a waste
What about VR gaming. VR is pure 4K gaming. 4K pluss++ upscaling
I will try to sum up the current issues with CPUs and the way they are being presented. From TechPowerUp:
1) 9800X3D - All game Average 1440p - 161.6 FPS | 8-Core | $480
2) 265K - All game Average 1440p - 148.9 FPS | 20-Core | $390
Global performance summary: 265K comes all around 13% faster than 9800X3D. So, the 265K performs just a little worse in 1440p gaming, 13% better when all aspects are considered, costs almost $100 less, gets more than twice the core count, but the 9800X3D is glorified while the 265K is being represented as trash. Someone please explain this logic to me. I am not implying that the 265K is a magnificent CPU, but the fact that we are praising a $500 8-CORE CPU, just because it gets you from 200 to 250 FPS in games, is absolutely wild to me. For context, in Europe, the 265K costs the equivalent of $500, while the 9800X3D costs $700.
It's cost less yes,and not terrible,even considered good upgrade if you are few gens behind. BUT. God forbid you want to upgrade the CPU in 1-2 years,because you have the budget,or whatever reason. You gotta buy a new MB as well,because intel socket changing fetish on almost every refresh/new lineup. And it will cost way more that way,then +100 usd now for a 9800x3d. If you know you won't be upgrading for 5+ years,because you don't want to play the newest games,or only play older ones then you'll be fine.
I'm just praying the Ryzen 9900X3D is 750$... so it can be 800€ because we get screwed over like that in (western) Europe
999€ from scamers :D
In Europe, they have tax included in listed price. In USA they don't so when a product says $750 it's usually $800+ depending on the tax rates in the state where you bought it from.
@@MistyKathrine I know but I figured the price everyone talks about is the one including the tax... but that would require similar taxes in all states and a bit of mental arithmetic... so I guess they don't.
My best advice is to listen to this video and HUB ;)
Jokes aside, here is a quote: "It is easy to build *a house* as an engineer, however it is hard to build a resource and cost efficient house", similar can be said with many things, as like with picking the right computer parts to build a computer.
As Jay said, understand your workload and build after it, to suit the needs rather than trying to get shoehorned into something else.
Although...... having a "chart" from reviewers like "If your workload is gaming 1440 or 4K, then you might want this *range* of CPUs and put the rest of your budget on GPU", or some other kind of general tangible up to date guidelines based on *workload* and *budget*
I like charts, specially the circle ones... they look like pies. Jay give us pies please! :P 🥧
I'd like to point out, the 9800X3D does wonders for 1% lows. I game at 4k, mostly, and moved to a 9800X3D from a 5900X and my games definitely feel a lot smoother from any frame time nonsense.
What Video card? Most testing I've seen online show very little Frame difference when running a 4090 and the 5600x3d, 7800x3d, or the 9800x3d once you start playing the higher resolutions (2k and 4k)there's very little difference between those three CPU's, Nothing anyone would notice with the naked eye anyway.
@@toddblankenship7164 7900XTX. I'd say it definitely depends on which game. And that's likely down to sh1t optimization that the 9800X3D just deals with better. That, and the 5900X is on two CCDs. Maybe that was making a difference for me in certain games.
The scary part is the stores and such being "cleaned out" might not be the people building rigs so much as the scalpers grabbing all the inventory on something that is already priced too high IMO.
I think the problem many face right now.. Is there isn't enough downtime to do work time then game time, then consume the hours of youtube/netflix/anime etc. Then comes, the balance of your pc and laptop specs.. There's no way you will tolerate a lagging laptop even for browsing purposes.. And windows 11 seems to be the worst iteration at catching Bluetooth devices nowadays. That's 2 high end systems or a high end laptop with a dock..
Personally my 4th gen Intel is still running OK. And it's not worth anything sold, so it's going to become scrap the moment I try to upgrade. Going to push it till one of the things mobo/processor dies
17:43 I recently bought one of those Erying MoDT boards with an i7 14650hx for a bit over $400cdn and i'm absolutely floored with it. Zero complaints with it at all. My machine isn't for gaming, I edit a decent amount of videos and photos as well as audio production and it barely notices i'm doing anything. Considering it has 2 full speed gen4 nvme slots plus a full speed gen3 nvme slot, a full gen4 x16 pcie slot and using intel xtu to max out a few settings it gets about 25k cinebench r23. I have absolutely nothing to complain about
Yea it’s way too expensive is the real issue.. It is ridiculous because people can barely afford to buy food in America, how are we supposed to justify building an overpriced PC.. Can’t game if we starve first..
Well, if you can barely afford food... why are you out reading this video? Better yet, HOW are you doing it?
Vell. America isn't the only marked.Basically gaming is for ppl whit money. If u can't afford it, u just have to do something else in life. PPL have more money than u tink. Allot of ppl can absolutely afford to by the best PC hardware.
When I built my pc last Feb I was starting from scratch and had zero idea what was what. I immediately wrote off Intel because trying to understand the differences between generations and what made K chips different from any of the others felt like an intentional F-U to unknowing buyers. I settled on a double 78 setup,, 7800X3D and 7800XT
K chip means its unlocked and can be overclocked. You choose wisely on the CPU as AMD is slappin Intel currently but if you play at 2k or 4k Nvidia is top dog and you'll get more years/Frames out of them.
Happily running my 5700X and I'm not missing any 3DVCache stuff, at all. If benchmarks and numbers matter to you, great. If not, look at your wallet first, I say :)
I went from a 2700 to a 5700X3D & said "meh" ...it drastically improves the 1% lows that happen between scene changes in benchmarks, but does nothing for max FPS. I only paid $100~ for it, so it wasn't bank breaking enough to be an actual disappointment. But I wouldn't have bothered if I had known what the actual improvement would be.
@@holdenhodgdon3756It entirely depends on the game and resolution. If you play GPU intensive games at a higher resolution you won't see that big of a difference, however for competitive shooters at 1080p a jump like that is likely to more than double your fps. I recently did a build with a 7800x3d, basically tripled my fps in some games. I helped a friend recently to upgrade from a 3600 to a 5700x3d and doubled the fps in the game he plays the most, which is Fortnite.
I upgraded from a i7-6700k and a 1070 to a 9800x3d and a 4080 super; playing on 1440p. I do seldomly stream and do light video editing, but i mostly just game. The generational difference for my upgrade is so huge for me that i honestly focused more on gaming performance uplift than anything else.
The actual only problem is the freaking cost is insane now and the improvements you're over year don't justify the year over year price increases either
As a member of team blue, what's ultimately kept me from upgrading is the exploding/oxidizing 13th and 14th gen CPUs. They claim they fixed it at a certain point, but with how poorly they handled it, I don't believe a word they say. I don't trust anything from those gens, and the core ultras are just too damn expensive for what you get. They're at one of their lowest ever points...
The real problem is not 'ONLY' that there so many options - the problem is that people doesn't know for what purpuse that they want to build a pc.
There are people who is interested in development and productivity over gaming, and vice versa.
FPS doesn't mean that your pc is strong enough for other applications.
My first AM5 system had some acquaintances calling me crazy for using 7700X and an A770. However, the few that have actually sat down and used my AM5 system were a bit baffled by how it runs. One game in particular get pushed to over 200fps with all settings on max while another consistently pushes 120+fps. While some would say "OMG!! That is too low!!": ir is perfect for me.
i'm glad i had my information straight when i started buying pc parts and didn't listen to randos on internet forums or in youtube comments. i did my research and kept hearing that the x3d cpus weren't as good for non-gaming stuff. i need my computer to be good for gaming AND for graphic design. i bought a 7900x when micro center had a good deal on them in late december. it may not be as amazing at productivity in comparison to those new intel cpus, but its gonna be one hell of an upgrade from my 9 year old macbook pro. the poor thing is on its last leg.
What you are saying here makes heaps of sense. While I game a lot on my 14900k, I also do video, spreadsheet and photo editing where those cores come really handy.
Something I would really appreciate is a build series where you actually put together ideal paired CPUs and GPUs. You and others have talked about this a lot and done it one at a time, but it would be super cool to see 5-10 systems lined up showing how they compare in money and performance.
Maybe two lower end systems target 1080 low and 1080 high. Then two middle tier systems target 1440 low and high. Then two 4k systems. Expand on that as the variables make sense.
I was just in micro center yesterday, i'm trying to figure out what I want but I haven't built my own PC in years and I have a phobia of putting it all together and it being broken from something I did wrong.
I'm also just out of the loop on a lot of the terminology and how it affects aspects of a build. I can't decide what Processor or motherboard I want to go with but those bundle deals are really enticing.
I got the i9-12900k from microcenter with their Motherboard and RAM bundle deal. It has been a fantastic CPU. Was VERY surprised to see it come out on top over the 9800x3d in almost all production workload tests, I had no idea! Thanks for comparing them it a way that wasn't gaming focused, as my workload is a healthy mix of rendering and gaming!
I'm currently running 2 builds:
Build 1: 7950x, 64GB DDR5 6000mhz, 1TB m.2, 4070ti
Build 2: 7600x, 64GB DDR5 6000mhz, 1TB m.2, 4060ti
as an avid PC builder and IT professional it shouldn't matter what you have as long as you are happy with the experience the PC gives you, and that could be different for everyone, one person might be ok with a 3600x and a 1660ti because that's all they can afford and that's perfectly fine it's an incredible combination, another might need the higher thread counts and the massive amount of vram on the 90 class cards. there is no one size fits all CPU or GPU we all like the same thing PCs so we all should lift each other up rather than gatekeeping because that's what people do.
all in all, a PC is a tool to achieve incredible workflows or massive amounts of dopamine regardless of the use I welcome anyone who wants to join the world of PCs.
13700k, with a 7900xt, 32GB 6000 ram, 1440p. 165hz monitor, runs everything I throw at it very well and am happy with my build.
I went from a 9900K to a 14700K on a B760 Gaming X AX motherboard. Ended up spending another $200 on an Arctic Cooler III AIO to keep the thing running cool. Once I also undervolted I have it running at 80C while under full load stress test in CPU-Z. After all the tweaking and tuning I’m very happy with it. Mixed use case with a fair amount of gaming on the 7800XT in the system.
My daughter wanted to upgrade her 2021 gaming computer and we just went with a MicroCenter Bundle of 9700x and B650 with 32GB of RAM. So far my daughter is loving life from her old machine. Even though she will not be doing any productivity on this machine the games she plays at her age of 22 she loves the upgrade in speed. We are waiting on the GPU so she will be upgrading later this year on that component. Thanks Jay for this video.
Channels like Toasty Bros are unique in the fact that they show how well older PCs can run many of the more common games. They'll pair a Ryzen 1600X with a Geforce 1660 Super and play some of the most popular games at decent framerates. And they can even run crysis, lol.
Jay it’s quite simple at every level of PC building. Cost, the cost is too high and availability is also an issue, plus the scammers screwing people over is not helping the situation.
I built my system 4 years ago with a 10th gen i9 10850K. My previous PC lasted 8 years, I'm quite sure this one will as well. Looking forward to see what is being offered when I do get around to upgrading. I did build my daughter a new 7800X3D system for Christmas and I was impressed with it when I benchmarked it.
The main problem is the cost. I have been saving for four years and prices seem to be inflating faster than I can save.
Wait, 7:39 at 4K that is a MASSIVE difference at 4K between the 9800x3d and the intel 285k. So much for it only mattering at low resolutions.
Be careful: it is upscaled not native
I don't get people in comments complaining about incremental upgrades, when in practice you NEVER upgrade gen after gen. Also that's the reality of the things, we hit the wall with technological advancement and we're at the point of experimenting with different methods of improving the hardware further in a non-conventional way. That's why we get stuff like multiple dies, 3D cache, Frame Gens and so on. And I say, brace for it to stay that way for quite a while.
It would make sense that the manufacturers know that the CPU is not the limiting factor or they wouldn't be wasting space adding integrated graphics that nobody uses.
I changed couple of components last month. I don't care what people said but i upgraded from i7 5820K to Core Ultra 9 285K and i'm satisfied. It really doesn't matter if i game in 4K or not gaming. If people only play games in lower resolution, go for AMD. Intel Core Ultra 9 285K is a good CPU but not great in general. I have now ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z890 Hero, Intel Core Ultra 9 285K at 5,4GHZ P-cores, 4,6GHZ E-cores, 4 sticks of ram 64GB DDR5 6600Mhz CL32 (XMP enabled). Those 3 are needed for upgrade.
it's funny that Jay is saying the X3Ds are not shining @ 4k while pulling up graphs showing 1% lows that roughly match the average frames of the other processors. Mind you that the 4k benchmarks are with upscaled and balanced game settings so if you crank up settings even more, the difference would be slimmer, although this is probably a pretty realistic scenario to test as their is usually huge diminishing returns when you totally max out games these days.