Alan Turing's grades
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
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I’ve noticed that a lot of the world’s greatest geniuses had minds that weren’t necessarily aligned for proper schooling. They flourished in an environment where they weren’t constantly scrutinized for not doing unnecessary things.
That's right. Becomming a "genius" (creative!) is not a deterministic process. Otherwise we could forcibly educate everybody to become a genius. What at best you can do is to provide an *environment* that supports their self-evolution, yet mostly the environment will be their enemy. So the classic schoolwork, unfortunately, is flowing against most genious minds. On the other hand, being tidy and careful is a must have skill for any one to have a sucessful, dependable career... So...... ?
no I disagree. I think he had potential that wasn't fully realized until he reached his sixth form years. Without the strict discipline and rigid curriculum of his boarding school I doubt he would have made it to Cambridge and gone on to be great. He would have ended up as another failed kid with potential of which there are many in the world.
@@runneypo Well we don't know, unfortunately I do know that a lot of very bright kids fail primary school overhere because they can't form themselves into sitting still and doing the exact things the teacher wants them to do. Seems simple, but some of these kids get real trauma's before dropping out. It's pretty sad as a lot of these could've become very interesting people, just like Turing or whoever. They are such a minority though that there is no school or will to take care of these kids. You're mentioning "failed kids" this is exactly why, you're seeing the symptom, the result of that strict system.
Can't agree more....
genius here and i approve of this comment
Its crazy that a lot of textbooks dont mention him at all. He probably saved millions of lives.
I feel he should be said to be the pioneer of modern computers and his achievements should be taught In schools. But we are taught how to make excel spreadsheets and word documents even in high school
And he was forced to take a ton of hormones by his own people- basically driving him mentally over the edge and killing him.
Why? Because he liked men.
@@b0nz1official What's even worse is the half-assed apology that came 6 decades later...
Yeah it's like UK Government wanted to erase his existence because they wanted to hide the fact that they treated a pioneer badly because he was gay
@@purplebubblegum4055 His nephew has written a book about him which essentially attempts to discredit him. He also goes on speaking tours to further his.campaign
against Turing's reputation.
You have a rare talent for presenting the history of science accurately, using original documents, while also humanizing the person, and showing warmth and compassion towards them. Very engaging. Thank you!
he was wirdo.. not because he is gay but weird due to just how strangely british society at the time...
German Teacher: "He does not seem to have any aptitude for languages".
*Cracks german secret language*
Lmaoooo
hahaha
LMOA
well, he technically didn't do it, he invented a computer / AI to do it. still a genius though, specially in a time where computers were something people considered to be science fiction
He cracked the enigma code, don’t have to know german to do that
School is about pleasing your teacher and not making discoveries of your own.
I discovered that many years ago - especially when learning English literature. The path to high achievement came not through analysing a work, forming your own idea, and expressing that on the exam paper; but instead listening to the teacher's view of the work, and parroting that on the exam paper. It was my first ever example of "work smarter, not harder".
School is all about money and business
pleasing your teacher and passing.
And guess what, work life is pretty similar, but now you have to please a boss
@Hellmark Channel that is false, many scientists made discoveries during their education
Wow this is such a well detailed explanation, all my teachers just put good in all the columns and leave
Are you a great mathematician?😅
We used to get concise but fairly detailed feedback on our school reports, but that was back in the 1970s/80s. I don't know if that's the norm today.
@@ftumschk I don't think anyone is allowed to "fail" today ... until they finish school and discover that the real world is an unforgiving master / mistress.
@@vk2ig everyone is allowed to fail, your school wasn’t harder than ours because you want it to be
@@momentoernest9141 You have chosen to misinterpret my comment. For that, you get a Fail grade ... "Must try harder next time!"
You do get part marks, though: school wasn't any harder, but students were told in no uncertain terms whether they were passing or not. I and my friends from that time can speak from experience on that matter, as individually we all failed something at some time.
I have also seen what happens in the current school system: giving someone a "fail" grade is seen as being detrimental to the student's sense of self-worth and their mental health - even if though they cannot do the work. As a result of this policy, there is a disparity in the level of work required to achieve the same grade: for example, the kid in the advanced class has to generate a four page answer to get an "A", while the kid in the learning assistance class only has to produce a one page answer to get the same grade. It's quite a task trying to re-assure the kid in the advanced class to keep up their standard of work in the face of this - I know, as I have had to do that re-assuring. But the chickens all came home to roost in senior highschool, where the grading is more like that in real life - the people who had never been allowed to fail suddenly experienced a new sensation: failure.
Alan Turing: *Cracks the Enigma Code and Helps Allies Win the War*
Britsh Government: *WhY aRe U GaE?*
why didnt he just go to jail, chemical castration is so much worse
Putin: 90% of job in WW2 was done by Soviet Union.
😂
@@drabnail777 Maybe he liked his freedom and underestimated the effects of chemical castration.
@@Delectatio that cuz he putin
I had one math teacher give me a D- and when I switched schools (and teachers) I got an A the semester after that. I had one physics teacher tell me that he would never give me more than a passing grade even if I get As on my tests because he could tell I just "didn't get it". Later I went on to write a perfect SAT score and I got into med school. Teachers are a pretty uneven bunch of people. Some are wonderful and some shouldn't be let near a school.
My teachers were a pretty mixed bunch, probably the case with a lot of people.
Just like medical students are.
SAT is 1% of JEE and NEET
@@SpecialSalads Wait, I just sing what you said to Pink Floyd beats.
@@rudrayanraha6709 who asked?
We don’t even know 1% of India’s past glory
Hurts to know even after doing such an ingenious work, breaking the enigma code, he had to meet with such a terrible fate just because he was gay.
Makes you wonder what else he could've achievement in 40 more years
“If a machine is expected to be infallible, it cannot also be intelligent.”
― Alan Turing
What's infallible?
@@SuperBhavanishankar Unable to make a mistake
@@DezinGTD ooh thank you
What's infallible?
"Unable-to-make-a-mistake", yes but this is a part within the wider set where a better
answer to the Question "what's infallible?" is "unable-to-fail".
@rain Alaska no😡😏
Considering how much Alan contributed to the world, he was treated so badly. Ironically, he was stripped of his own humanity by by his government. The very government he helped. Such a brilliant mind lost to the blunders of a group of fools.
I wonder how those fools would feel if they knew now how they are remembered - not as great guardians of civility and decency, but as short-sighted fools.
As I recall, the UK government at the time could not risk him giving away secrets.
That's just one amongst a myriad of reasons why Churchill should be despised, not celebrated.
He was a key figure in the oppression of Ghandi, in the Bengal Famine, and all sort of other colonial atrocities. He advocated concentration camps and sterilisation in the UK for men like Turing.
It is tragic that such a monster happened to stumble into the reputation of a hero just because fate put him against an even greater evil. But that does not make him worthy of celebration.
that's how it always will be sadly. Because the skill set to rule on top of others is not the same skills set that brilliant scientists or domain experts usually holds.
@Heisenberg-SchrodingerEmc2 Not to mention that most universities (the staff & students) are also eminently liberal. It seems that the smarter people are, the less conservative they are.
"I'm not scared of a computer passing the Turing test. I'm terrified of the one that intentionally fails it."
Is that what he said? 😱
@@scarlettdracoblack4454 I'm not sure, but whoever said it had a justified fear
Any computer capable of passing a Turing test, knows enough to fail it
@@sanelemaziya2498 no
If she had a podcast I would totally listen to it. I wouldn’t even really care what it would be about it’s just her voice is so calming.
100 percent agree!
Is ASMR what you are experiencing perhaps?
Tuched by an angel or something.
@Σאgßと New Zealander, in fact.
"... Hatred and discrimination can rob the world of wonderful people" well said and great video!
Alan is one of my heroes. Anytime a video game lets me name my character I use Alan Turning or Alana Turing if female. its my little way of honoring the man who paved the way for computer science, which eventually led to computer/video games.
nice
He’s also just so inspiring since he was both a top scientist and a top sportsperson!
Along with being a kind person!!
“Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no one can imagine.”
― Alan Turing
Quite.
basically, sometimes unexpected people do unexpected things.
He never actually said that.
I've noticed you are moving more toward sharing historical info about scientists and mathematicians. Good stuff. Not a lot of info out there like what you are doing.
konrad zuse, von neumann, Shannon, Frank Rosenblatt and Norbert Wiener are very good options for videos on this era
@@janpahl6015 Shannons idol was Edison and later he found out they were related
If university checked out this channel, they could gain some historical insight from these iconic engineers and scientists, which is crucial to understanding more of our respective STEM fields.
@@forloop7713 mind blown. Must have been a real trip lol
Imagine if this man lived to his 70-80's passing on his knowledge...
This makes sense because the key moment in his life was the death of a childhood friend when Alan was 18.
Often described as his “first love,”
from the moment Christopher Morcom died the young Turing placed a picture of him on his desk at Cambridge, as an inspiration for diligent labour.
In effect he felt that his dead friend was the “true genius,” and Turing henceforth had a responsibility to live out the promise of two lives, rather than just his own.
That's a lovely story.
Wow.
giey.
@norman simpson It is.
Turing remains as an outstanding figure in computer science. He also put a strong impact on biology by describing a model of chemical pattern formation.
I just use these videos to justify my terrible grades
true genius
Grades Don't matter. Don't lower your self esteem.
Just Some Guy without a Mustache ever considered your handwriting as your problem?
I Never expected to see you here
@@adityanagpure7711 whom ?
Wow, the teachers at my university don't even know our names. I couldn't imagine getting actual feedback from them.
That was more of a highschool. Not university
@@someoneuppingdudetechnical6320 Still, when I recently graduated all I got was an automated message on my report card that everyone got: "We wish you luck with your future endeavors." And there were only 55 people graduating...
That's what I was thinking. I think there is a very positive aspect to those evaluations, even if they did not pick up on his "genius."
@@whyisgamora4191 Ha! We got the degree of the person sitting on our left. OK, we got a tube with a short "IOU" in it saying that we'd get the certificate later. This was because they somehow managed to get the degrees and names offset when printing the certificates...
This channel is my favorite because of this channel's simplicity and knowledge
It's always a very pleasant experience to see the grades of some of the most successful persons of all time whether it is any subject of science and the best thing about your reactions is the politeness with which you present the views and read the things written.
It would be great to listen and watch to some more interesting reacting videos from Tibees.
It would be great to see you and the physics girl (Dianna Cowern) again in the same video
Toby, you have found your niche. Your videos are a joy to anyone interested in science and mathematics. Thank you.
I noticed this, too.
if you hate the fundamentals, let the advanced math lead you to them. I know it had this effect on me. I loved calculus when i started learning it but i had really hard time adding subtracting and multiplying (my other areas were also severely lacking)my grades often suffered because of simple mistakes (like writing fractions upside down) but because of my fascination with the subject i quickly learned to be better at fundamentals
Interesting suggestion. I do wonder if I would be better at programming by now if I had tried to learn it 'backwards' as I do now.
I'm impressed by your hard work in making this video
True
Turing's story just makes me so sad. Every time. Society failed him and it's heartbreaking to see that some people today are still not better than we were a century ago.
This made me know more a lot about my favourite and more is inspiring scientist for me. (Since I am student at computer science degree, and Alan Turing is my favourite scientist due to his work in my field of study).
I need to say thta it makes me feel really sorry about him, after all these underrated treats and comments since his childhood. But for some of us he remains like a brilliant mind.
I really thank you for this video !!!
That thumbnail described my entire college year perfectly.....!!!!
😁😁🤣🤣🤣
I was Marian Rejewski, Henryk Zygalski and Jerzy Różycki, Polish mathematicians who cracked the enigma code.. Turing just built the machine that automated the math.. I say "just" but it was still an incredible feat.. and Turing is still one of my heroes
Alan: *vague idea
teacher: *visibly offended
Haha basically 😂
Interesting! Apparently he implemented his teachers suggestions, since his Turing-machine model for the Entscheidungsproblem is commonly much better understood than the Lambda Calculus of Church ;D
Lambda Calculus is not what I would call putting a neat and tidy solution on paper !
@@coot33 Well, that's what Chruch did, not Turing... Turing just proofed that his Turing machine and the Lambda Calculus are equally powerful ;D
@@coot33 I always thought there was a mathematical elegance to lambda calculus that Turing machines lacked, Turing machines may make more intuitive sense to non mathematicians, but it's easier to be mathematically rigorous with lambda calculus. I think the preference for Turing machines comes down to how the subject is taught, principally allowing computer scientists to have undue influence on the discipline.
@@costakeith9048 It's because computer scientists hide all the Haskell and scheme programmer ! I prefer Turing machine to lambda calculus. They are just more understandable to me than "lambda.x.y".
@@coot33 turing machine also makes more sense with von neumann architecture of computers compared to lambda calculus. maybe if we had a different prevalent computer architecture more analogous to a brain, lambda calculus would have been better recieved
*Dayum these guys were already very brilliant in their schools. it just takes a right schooling system to get their talents out early.*
My friend recommended me this and told about the movie. As soon as I finished the movie, I watched your video and it gives such a good perspective on Turing. Thank you for such a good explanation :)
P.S I already knew your channel and watched videos on Ramanujan.... But didn't know anything about Turing when UA-cam recommended me this vid, I'm so glad that I got know about Turing.
Thanks for reading my comment
I got very excited when I saw the notification lol, Turing is my favourite scientist! :)
“An example of how hatred and discrimination can rob the world of wonderful people.”
We’re all human. Is it too much to ask for us to be kind to one another?
Many people find it difficult to emphasise with another's viewpoint. For a current example, just look at the divisions among ordinary people along political lines in the USA nowadays, or the divisions among ordinary people anywhere in the western world on the subject of climate change.
One thing has become abundantly clear since the rise of the Internet - people need to be careful of what they say and do nowadays, because the world is becoming a global village, and that has consequences. In earlier times, if someone caused problems in their village then everyone knew about them and looked down on them. Nowadays, the same is happening in the global village - and people are being judged by what they did 50 years ago. In 10 or 20 years time, people will be judged by what they say on-line today.
Many people do indeed seem to have difficulty adopting anything outside of a tribal / antagonistic viewpoint. Such behaviors are encoded in us, after all.
I think that this is the effect of the nature of humans and the nature of the world, it is sad but it is natural
I see a bit of myself in his reports, though I don't quite have his talent. Frequently got detentions and often struggled to concentrate in lessons being easily distracted, but got a Physics degree and have a career in engineering. Many people struggle with formal environments. Much schooling is still based on a Victorian model of facts and rote learning. Fascinating video. Great that Turing gets the attention he deserves nowadays. Bit of unintentional ASMR with your videos too which is relaxing.
@@johnsmith1474 Thanks for that constructive post. Engineering is a vast field, and many software and hardware disciplines are close to computer science. You can't "train" anyone to do what are often highly skilled and specialised roles. Many students of maths/physics and computer science go into engineering. British private school education in the 1920s and 1930s would have relied intensely on classical educational models. I'm also not pretending to be a genius, just that I saw some similarities in some of the reports. No-one wants to read petty arguments on a Turing video by the way, take it elsewhere.
@@fattypark Well said. I think someone is a bit triggered ...
11:12 _"And it remains an example of how hatred and discrimination can rob the world of wonderful people."_
Well said Toby. Great video, thanks!
Excellent. How very sad that a brilliant human being who probably did more to end the war than anyone, was so badly treated and took his own life.
I felt past emotions watching this video as I had to fight for my son and buffer him against teachers that could not see below the surface of behaviour, and infered things wrongly.
E.g. in grade one, his teacher thought my son had limited intelligence and could not read.
He looked at books upside down and sideways, put books down after a minute and started playing .... he could already read and was making a very short, simple book more interesting by reading them upside down as a challenge etc.
He was doing quadratics in grade 3 and simple calculus in grade 5.
Luckily, I started finding teachers who cared and loved to help him build good habits, like not just putting down the answers to mathematical questions (that is, including the steps to how he got the answer), being organized, and making the effort to do boring things.
Its very amazing to know to about it. I AM so grateful to get to know about him. Thanks for this video, Thanks a lot. Wish your channel get big achievements ahead. Good luck.
It absolutely blows my mind how Turing was able to make the building blocks for artificial intelligence only using mathematics and computers with next to no processing power. It was incredibly sad to find out that his life came to an end that way :(
Alan Turing was also an excellent long distance runner. He very nearly qualified for the '48 Olympics, while injured.
Glad the British government finally apologised and pardoned him. Scandalous what was done to him
it wont change history tho..
@@user-sc3oh1bw4z but we can change future
But wtf did they do to one of the most brilliant spirits of all time.... This is so sad to end like this
I really love your channel. It gives me such a wholesome, comfortable feeling.
I'm also so glad you took the time to speak about the horrific mistreatment of LGBTQ people such a short time ago.
I see I'm guessing that even though he had good/great mathematical ideas and concepts when he was young, he probably wasn't good at presenting and expressing them in a presentable form in his early age, probably improved in later age. I can also see that while in the process of in the pursuit of advanced scientific and mathematical ideas, he ended up somewhat neglecting some of the elementary works in early age. Interesting case indeed.
Nice work Toby
Well, "presenting" is much more about how other people's minds work and much less about how capable you are on the topic =)
If you read his paper "On Computable Numbers" he had habit of introducing mistakes in the Turing Machines. And indeed some of the wiring designs for the early computers he built in the lat 40's were notoriously messy. He was I suspect a person who was not organised or neat in a conventional way, and he may have improved but you suspect it never really came naturally to him. Ultimately he made up for it with the ability to creatively solve problems in a way that eluded his contemporaries. And also, by the time he got to Cambridge he was surrounded by men of his measure and ability and not the kind of pettifogging mediocrities that normally teach at secondary school level.
@@aromview "Toby"?
@@peterm2152 Toby is Tibees' real name.
Is Alan Turing the person who cracked the enigma code in world war 2?
Yeah
I don't agree, first was polish mathematics - Marian Rejewski, Jerzy Różycki i Henryk Zygalski.
Yes
@@adamoksiuta4715 do you even read properly? OP asked if Alan Turing was the person who cracked enigma during WW2. There is no mention of who cracked "first".
@@am.Shub2770 OK, he cracked it during WW2, but you have to remember that he wasn't first.
Been subbed since 60k... Nothing but love and respect for my favorite tibees
I've not examined the evidence myself, but Professor Jack Copeland (head of the philosophy department at your old university, Canterbury) is a Turing scholar who has questioned the suicide story, suggesting that Turing was in a good state of mind around the time of his death, that he almost always had an apple at bedtime of which he only took a bite or two, and that he accidentally poisoned himself due to breaking some apparatus he was working with. Certainly still a tragic end which doesn't diminish what the state did to him, but I thought it was interesting.
Maybe Alan Turing's teachers were moulding him in an old fashioned way. Times have changed. You did a very good job researching and presenting his story Toby - thanks
Thanks Tibees. This is really great. It is so sad what happened to Alan Turing during his end. I'm glad you did mention that in this video.
No wonder he came up with the conception of a computer. His handwriting and work cleanliness was deplorable the eyes of his professor.
Sometimes I just watch your videos because your voice and mannerism is so calming, you help me relax! Love watching your videos!
How can his ideas not be vague if they were way ahead of his time
What can we expect more from middle school teachers. Of course they will misjudge a genius when they are equipped with mediocrity.
Ideas begin as vague. They don't appear in final form.
@@anhtran6113 That's my problem with the lower educational system. I always had the feeling that I was being taught stuff by teachers who hardly understood the things they were teaching, and if you asked subject-related questions, that weren't directly related to what's in the text books they used, they couldn't answer you.
It's a tough problem to fix though. People that are great in their field either work in it or go into research, what's left are the people that aren't good enough to work in the field so they go teach the basic stuff to kids instead.
aeromodeller1 they are echos from the future...dat is why.
One thing to note is that the apple from which he supposedly died from was never tested for cyanide. Some who knew Turing have said that he would sometimes eat apples before going to bed, one other thing to consider is that he also a machine in his home used to electroplated gold onto spoons that used cyanide, which could have leaked.
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs was his favorite fairy tale though, so it is possible that he tried to recreate the scenes from it to commit suicide. Good video nonetheless :)
It seems Turing suffered throughout his life. Those comments would put any child into depression yet he did splendid job in life.
Nowadays they would put kids into depression because of increasing human fragility but back then, that was how you talked to people, bluntness.
That's basically school these days for bright kids that can't cope in a regular classroom. Always been the case and pretty sad.
Ok boomer
@@heeheehawhawheehee they must throw you out of every party, cause you're so much fun
@@jasonchandler2754 nah that's just the way british schooling is. Teachers will be very strict and honest.
*brings out a candle at the end*
Me: Is there gonna be a seance here? Are we ringing him back?"
Awwwww 💙💙💙
I’ve never clicked so fast. Sana all mataas grades, mga siz.
Gosh you have a voice that is so nice and relaxing, your words have no waste.
Alan Turin did the Maths that broke the codes but it was a telephone engineer Tommy Flowers that designed and built the machine.
Credit to them both.
absolutely credit to Flowers, though I believe he engineered Colossus which was for Tunny traffic / the Lorentz Cipher. Turing, Welchman and Keen among others, including the Polish, were responsible for the Bombe design and engineering , which was for solving Enigma
Thanks for the great video. I often recommend your videos to kids interested in mathematics and sciences👍🏻
Woah ... He wrote a book about relativity at age 15 !!!!!!!!!!!!! That's something
Thanks, Toby, for doing the work to research/analyse/present all this. Very revealing.
All teachers should see this. I am a retired teacher, and I know that there are pupils who slipped through my fingers - I did not spot their talents, and concentrated too much on behaviour, discipline, tidiness etc, despite being very untidy myself.
I love your videos. So calming after a long day AND very informative! A very good mixture
Wow amazing...😍he is my favourite
Thanks tibees🙏.
Alan Turing is often called as the father of AI.
I would request everyone to read the imitation game research papers😍🙏
This is so fascinating! Great video!
Hi Toby you have a lovely smile and beautiful hair. Thanks for these videos on some of the great scientist.Have a lovely day.
There are 2 ways to learn how to build a house.
1. Is starting from the foundation amd working your way up.
2. Is starting from the roof and working your way to the foundation (Reverse Engineering).
Alan was born in the same year as my father. Speaking to my dad about his education, it sounded quite draconian, punitive, conservative, traditional and intolerant of non-conformity (such as using the left hand to write. If you did then your hand would be beaten black and blue). Even 30 or so years later, my education wasn't much better though I was more of a scholastic all-rounder in my studies. I was called untidy, careless, flouting convention and "insisting of doing things his own inimitable way". I take this latter comment as a compliment now. We can rightly criticise the system but we are speaking of things happening almost 100 years ago. The education of teenagers still hasn't changed enough in my opinion - it is too system-led not individual student focused. I suspect that Alan was neuro-atypical, possibly Asperger's in today's terms. My university experiences were better (up to PhD level) when idiosyncrasy was better tolerated and the individual was responsible for their own study. As a gay man I identify with Alan, as I was 21 years old when the UK law changed.
Alan Turing is one of my favorite scientists and hero. Great video, thanks Tibees :)
With that enchanting voice it doesn't even matter what Toby says, I keep on listening
Exactly that. Unique unique voice and tone.
that's not a complement your mom probably taught you better, you piece of jerky :(
A truly unique person, a person like him rarely comes along.
Even the graphics are based on turing architecture we should respect him
Your way of explaining is sweet tobby, u was one of my favorite teacher, I love your voice..
"The original question, "Can machines think?" I believe to be too meaningless to deserve discussion. Nevertheless I believe that at the end of the century the use of words and general educated opinion will have altered so much that one will be able to speak of machines thinking without expecting to be contradicted."
- Alan Turing (Roughly page 8 of computing machinery and intelligence)
He certainly got that right, LOL!
You work very hard as its not easy to get such papers which are very rare and can understand the hardwork . Your videos are very informative thanks .
I hate history but I can’t help but get curious about famous scientists who changed the world by their ideas and inventions. Toby’s videos have been really helpful about my knowledge hunger for these kinds of topics. Also I really like her comments going along with the life of the person she is talking about, it makes the topic a lot more interesting in my opinion(maybe because she has a therapeutical voice? I don’t know to be honest😁)
I cried at the end, so sad that human society pushed him to such bad circumstances, yet today we have so much because of him.
"Neat and tidy solutions on a paper" .... well i once got 100% on a material mechanics exam, sorry i can't do better than 100%, yet the criticism by the marker (or rather the lecturer), "nothing like the handwriting of a future engineer" ... been an engineer for 20+ years.
These sorts of comments are tough. On one hand, some of them are probably unfair and unnecessarily harsh, but on the other hand, there is certainly some truth in them (at least for someone in their teenage years). So much of higher level science relies on the ability to rigorously prove the notions you've come up with, and in order to do so, you have to be able to both organize your ideas effectively on paper and communicate them convincingly. I think that while the harsh comments could be seen as stifling, they were probably in part given because they DID see his potential, and knew that the mark of a first-rate mathematician is that their ideas are not only insightful and new, but well-communicated. The ability to construct tidy and convincing proofs for your ideas, especially as the magnitude and complexity of your work grows, is absolutely crucial in higher level math.
With this in mind, I think two things probably happened. The first is that he just matured more in general and was more capable of categorizing his ideas. I think that he probably also reflected on the constructive criticism of his teachers, and alongside the insatiable consumption of math and science material, he saw more examples of the beautifully organized and highly convincing work he was told of.
If he'd been alive today, I think it's likely he'd have been diagnosed with ADHD? Especially early on it sounds like he exclusively hyperfocused on stuff he liked and found interesting while barely having any attention for anything else. Oh and the lack of tidiness and organization also seem like really common symptoms.
ADHD is a very US common thing, and often appears to be just another excuse to label a behavior and mostly importantly to throw drugs at it. I believe that many other places it's considered as someone needing to be taught slightly differently and to be helped to concentrate and manage for the time periods required.
@@nickryan3417 While I agree therapy and different ways of teaching can help manage adhd symptoms I don't really agree with you on it being an excuse. If anything it's an explanation. As for drugs, well for some people that's the only thing that lets them manage with the mundanity of everyday life.
@@beskamir5977 I get your point, but there are "too many" people who apparently have ADHD for it to be anything other than normal. It's either a difference, a problem, or it's a symptom of something else failing. That's my point.
Is society failing people who aren't able to stare gormlessly at the front of a class and absorb whatever a, likely bored, teacher is trying to teach them, or is it that the methodology of teaching has gone wrong somewhere? That's more my point.
Absolutely with you on the explanation, but it's what behind it, the causes, that matter.
@@nickryan3417 Ah okay yeah I agree. Although adhd also affects people outside of school work to the point where doing everyday chores can be a struggle and focusing on just classroom/job doesn't capture all the symptoms/consequences of suffering from adhd.
My son has Asperger's, hated school, his teachers had no time for him and he got abysmal grades in his GCSE's, didn't know what to do with himself, so went to college to do Comp Sci. Discovered he has an amazing knack with coding, it all just makes perfect sense to him. He finished top of his class, went to Uni and graduated with a First and a prize for best academic achievement in the entire Uni. He's now at a Russell Group Uni, been published 10 times (twice in Nature) and is a couple of viva's away from a PhD. First in the family to earn a Doctorate. Moral of the story: teachers are full of it.
“ his work is dirty “ ......these days teachers are never honest to their students. 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
I would say that teachers are working to be more constructive in terms of making comments
@@tbird81 they where dullards compared to his brilliant mind ,who care what these non-entities had to say
Very nice info..👍🏻 but to be honest i clicked the video..put my earphones..then i closed my eyes..and just listened your voice..so soothing it was..😅those who are reading this can also try this..🙏🏻
I'm always excited to hear from you! ❤🤗
Hey Toby. I am saddened that Mr. Turing died so young. He was a genius. My overdue condolences to Mr. Turing's family for your loss. Rest in peace :-(
The best discoveries are often made when people are looking for shortcut
: I propose to consider the question "Can machines think?" (Alan Turing 1950) - That is until now my favorite quote since I study physics and philosophy. To come up with such a question even before "real" computers were invented shows his genious.
He also came up with the mathematical basis of stripy animals and flowers decades before we had any idea how the stripes formed in the developing organism.
all of the scientists mentioned in this channal are really gifted and talented .one of the major reasons behind their success....
i must say they are really lucky onces...the world we are living today is possible because of these great peoples once lived in this word....not because of fake politics and other things..
There can be a Turing among us, a Ramanujan, a Shakuntala Devi or even a Hardy... but if that guy is here in India, he would surely be preparing for the Jee Advanced or NEET, as that’s what pretty much everyone does when he/she is good at one of the subjects from PCMB.... (I can only speak about 🇮🇳 as that’s all what I’ve seen)
Conclusion : Alan Turing was/ still a genius. 💐🌟
My 6 year old is autistic/has an intense fascination with light at the moment. This reminds me of how some of the other adults in his life describe him... Yes, the constant questions/talk about light and shadows and reflections can be grating but I try my best to remember that his life could lead somewhere extraordinary and I try not to be discouraging 😢
Can we Just have a Spotify podcast of Toby Interviewing Some prominent science Figures or just explaining Science stuff?Or is it too much to ask for!!
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Tibees and Turing, two of my favorite persons in one video haha. Good job too,great vid.
Alan Turing was great..
It's odd, just yesterday I discovered who Alan Turing was and last night watched the movie. Great video.
"Its a club and you ain't in it" - is what sounds like.
These videos always make the people you are covering so much more compelling than they already were