19:56 I actually think that Hoffman was pulling a clever double-bluff at the end. The construction of the glass coffin mirroring the water cube, the tubes running down into it from *opaque* containers, the line on the tape "I ask you if you've learned anything on your journey of discovery?", as well as "foul me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me," alluding back to the water cube. So think about it from Strahm's perspective: this would be harkening back to the most traumatic moment of his life and he now knows that Hoffman was the one who drugged him and put him in a trap designed to kill him. (Incidentally, you said that it's not a coincidence that Hoffman left him the pen but I do think that was an accident because Hoffman didn't want any lose ends, said to Fisk that "nobody else made it," and was surprised when Strahm made it out alive. He clearly wanted him dead.) Strahm also knew that Hoffman was the one who kept setting up unwinnable games like the pendulum trap and Kerry's trap. And the opening of the tape being directly addressed to Strahm means that Strahm then knows that Hoffman knows that Strahm knows that Hoffman is the new Jigsaw. He's already tried to kill Strahm before and all the evidence points to Hoffman clearly wanting to do it again. Hoffman set up the conditions as such that Strahm would think he's lying which is what Hoffman wanted. Also, I love the idea that the original plan for this trap was for the glass coffin to be the only safe space while the room fills with water as a direct inverse of Strahm's water cube trap.
i think that hoffman simply didn't expect strahm to go through with the tracheotomy, but still offered that as an option because of john's "everyone deserves a chance". but i agree, the glass cube and coffin are some of my favorite traps in the series. the room filling with water would've been good, but the crushing made it all the more gruesome
Hoffman didn't make unwinnable traps, only Amanda. The example with Seth Baxter doesn't count because he wasn't working as a jigsaw accomplice that was personal vengeance it wasn't a true trap. When he became an accomplice he upheld John's standards. This is just what I understood though it's open to interpretation and I don't mean this in a mean way or anything! Saw 3D is super inconsistent I like it a lot but it contradicts so much from the other movies I choose not to think about it too much. Hoffman's killings were badass but not totally in character. Also the unwinnable trap for the innocent woman also being one of the most terrible and excruciating deaths ever makes no sense and I don't think any of the jigsaw apprentices would've done this
Kerry's trap was Amanda's, Hoffman only helped. The only unwinnable trap Hoffman made was for Seth. Hoffman assumed Strahm died because most people do. Hoffman emptied his pockets, it's not a coincidence that he left him the one thing that could actually save his life
One of my favorite things is how the Strahm glass box trap is a seemingly polar opposite of Kerry's angel trap, from Saw 3, and how it reflects both the of characters and who put them in their traps. Kerry was a much more physical threat to Jigsaw and the crew, as seen when she unloads a pistol into her closet, when she thinks someone might be in there. As such, her trap was focused on body and brutality. Her face is obscured at the beginning (much like how she tried to obscure her emotions around others) and she had to dip her hand in acid or have her ribs rips clean out. Meanwhile, Straum was a much more mental threat, seeing as he found out about Hoffman without much (if any) help from the other agents. As such, his first trap focuses first on his head and requires out of the box thinking to escape. All you can see is his face at the beginning (showing both how he's trapped mentally and emotionally) and to escape he had to use a tool in an unintended way and hope someone else would save him. It also says a lot about who set up the traps. Both were inescapable. But Amanda set up the angel trap so it truly was impossible to break free, because she was a bad student of John's. Meanwhile Hoffman, set up the glass box trap and while it seemed impossible to escape, it can be read he purposefully left the pen for Straum so Straum could survive, because Hoffman was a good student of John's and a worthy successor to the Jigsaw legacy.
I don't think it's rightfully read that he purposely left the pen for Strahm. When Hoffman came out of the building, he said something like "Nobody made it, they're all dead", assuming that Strahm was dead not because he didn't pass his test, but because there was no test, Strahm was supposed to die. If Hoffman intentionally left the pen, he wouldn't have assumed that Strahm didn't make it, he would've been unsure about it, but he was dead surprised to see Hoffman getting wheeled out of there with a hole in his neck
Peter’s character is what makes this movie great. I have always loved 5 and never understood why it got so much hate. Peter’s character is a really strong character and the way he gets killed in the end really shows how little mercy this movies really have
That scene between Hoffmann and John is some of the best work in the series, the tension it builds, and the payoff we get afterwards. It's perfect for this
it's probably the best way they could've started their relationship together. using that as a catalyst is better for hoffman's character, rather than if they repeated amanda's arc
People can say whatever they want, I firmly believe the Fatal Five's Trial is the best game in the series. The individual traps may not be particularly special, but how they come together as a whole is perfect. It's a completely fair game and reminds me so much of Saw 1 in terms of the victims having to figure out for themselves from each other why this is happening to them
hi everyone! thank you all for the support throughout the series, it means a lot that people are willing to hear me yap for like half and hour at a time about these absurd movies. 5 down, 5.5 to go :o
For my money the group trap in 5 is better than the one in 2. The one in 5 builds to a revelation but the one in two has a bunch of sidequest distracting from the main game of getting the numbers off the back of their heads.
that's a solid point, i never really looked at it that way, but it definitely reads like that. the one from 5 is much more focused on the games, whereas the one from 2 is more on the relationships and dynamics of the group, while also completing their "fetch quest", in a sense
I think the game in Saw II simply needed more personalized traps, as there were really only two and overall didn't seem to be "rehabilitating" the victims in any meaningful way. I think the tension from a time limit and having a social aspect of people to betray each other offered a more interesting environment as there was a slower build up to everyone becoming desperate to survive rather than the immediate sacrificing in Saw V. They're both pretty good in different ways, and kind of show an evolution to the Jigsaw persona to the point that the survivors of the Fatal Five actually having "repented" from the experience, recognizing their sin and pushing through the punishment John set out for them, something that has repeatedly been a failing point of his games.
I loooooved Saw V. It's definitely my favorite after Saw 1 and 2. The twist was fantastic, and the 10 pints of blood is a trap I still cringe to watch. The flashbacks in Saw 5 is some of the best. Saw 5 is honestly my last favorite Saw movie until Saw X came out.
I think one of the most interesting aspects of the series is their ability to retcon so much into the story and still have it be manageably cohesive and make sense. I think the liberties they take are outweighed by the amount of storytelling they gain from it. I believe that had Saw 1 been a stand alone movie, it would have spawned a much later, less quality trilogy/10 part series. Great breakdown on the series, I think your content is awesome !
I believe the biggest issue of the movie was having the Fatal Five games and Hoffman/Straham cat & mouse game not being interrelated Straham should've had a personal relationship to one of the five players to at least make it that his follow up of Hoffman is related and he needs to do quickly and adds more stakes and you could still keep him being fired from the case due to him not being able to control himself to save that close person to him
I just thought of this reading your comment but maybe they could've made it so that Strahm has to balance having somebody he knows in the Fatal Five trap and solving the case he does in the actual movie. It would go back to the scene in Saw1 when John asks Tapp what is more important to arrest him or save another life :)
I think rather than have him be close to one of the victims, it'd have been better if he lost his shit during the case at one of them, maybe committing a little police brutality and roughing one of them up (perhaps Mallick for example because he _knows_ he lit that fire since he's such a good detective but his father's hush money/interference from his higher-ups is protecting him) and got taken off the case for it, hence making it much more plausible to Erickson that he'd be the Jigsaw killer and give him more motive for targeting them, also that whole thing of Hoffman trying to convince him of his viewpoint would work better too if Strahm does feel similarly to how Hoffman does.
Finally, someone else understands and appreciates how good (and at some points bad) saw V was. I see everywhere people saying that saw V was one of the worst out of the franchise, but it's probably top 3 for me. What I personally think the downfall of the movie was what was done at the end of saw IV, revealing Hoffman as an apprentice. It seemed so rushed and out of place, compared to the gradual reveal of both John and Amanda and the end of i & ii. If they had kept the real identity of Hoffman from the audience, it would've allowed the audience to follow Strahm through his revelation that the accomplice is Hoffman, further emulating the mystery and paranoia of the first movie and paralleling the paranoia and distrust in the fatal five trap. The problem with the flashbacks is that they happened whilst Strahm was the focus, which made no sense as they were from Hoffman's POV, making it seem (like you said) that he was just coming up with "headcannons", and the scenes would've would just fine without them. I can see why the writers/director wanted to include them, but I think it fits better in saw VI. Removing the flashbacks shifts the main character solely to Strahm, rather than both of them. Additionally, it makes the chase for Hoffman seem a lot shorter, as the audience are not entirely sure it's Hoffman throughout saw V, rather than going on for two movies (saw V & VI). Two. Movies. Therefore, when he dies in the glass coffin trap, it confirms both to him and the audience that Hoffman is the new jigsaw, and then perfectly leads to Saw VI and Hoffman's attempt to conceal his true identity, truly starting the chase. This movie had the potential to be one of the best in the franchise but they focused on Hoffman too much. In summary, the movie would've been better with less Hoffman and more Strahm lmao (pls don't come at me he is one of my fave characters, it's just that this movie was made for Strahm).
i agree wholeheartedly. the potential was there, and peeked through at points, but in the end was just that, potential. having this one be a "strahm movie" would've improved it way more, and then allow 6 and/or 7 to be the hoffman ones, especially if they insisted on having strahm still die. either way, his character redemption is beautiful to see play out
love your passion for this series! have yet to actually watch any of the movies yet but these videos have convinced me to give them a try when i probably otherwise wouldn't have
Happy to see a new video. :) They are always such a treat! When you eventually get to Saw 3D, will you be talking about the strange misogynistic undertones of the movie? I've seen people talking about it on online. Even Dead Meat mentioned it.
It's funny how the reviews for the movie are bad yet every single reactor I've watched to react to the movie had loved Saw V. And many said it was their favorite.
generally my rule is don't put any weight into movie reviews until after watching the film, then i can look at other's point of views and see how mine stacks up
maybe unpopular opinion but i think this is somewhat correct: Saw 5 is what made saw 6 flop, which also made saw 7 what it is, (2 movies shortened into 1).. Because box office... However, Saw 6 is one of the better sequels imo (this is the unpopular opinion part). But it (the decline of everything after) happened because of Saw 5
When I originally saw the movies in probably 2018 (it was a bit after Jigsaw came out) Saw 5 was my favorite with Jig8aw close behind. Not the case anymore, (2, 6, and 10 are probably my current favorites, in no particular order) But there was something there that I appreciated. I liked the detective mystery back and forth thriller aspect, as well as the cooperative game aspect.
i can definitely see that, there's something in each of the movies for everyone i feel. and someone out there will have a favorite that's someone else's least favorite, which is pretty cool
saw v frustrated me to no end when i saw it initially, purely because of the fact that it was a revelation to the fatal 5 that they could've worked together. i understand that the characters were fundamentally selfish people and thats the point of their test, but i think its far more realistic (and compelling) to see adam and lawrence do elaborate schemes and plans to get them both out alive - especially because they reason to dislike/not trust the other. when i saw the bomb shelters i was sooooooo mad because there was obviously room for at least 3 people in one chamber. maybe if they made them more openly vindictive from the beginning like the drug dealer from saw 2 then maybe i would buy it more. i think its a problem with the escalation of the saw franchise (i mean saw 6 literally begins with the climax of saw 1, someone sawing their own limb off to survive but somehow even more intense) but overall i think fondly of saw 5. i really love strahm's character and his almost cartoonish investigations (the way he whispers to himself about what he found out kills me) and honestly don't mind the retconning. the amount of physical labour needed for some of the traps imo would be far too much for a cancer ridden old man and a recovering(?) drug addict. anyways, enough with the essay. i love keeping up with this series!! keep it up 🗣🗣
I really enjoy these. This is my favorite movie franchise of all time and listening to these in the background makes me feel like I’m watching the movie on 2x speed lol. Can’t wait for the rest of them!
These videos are so well written and edited, I genuinely rearrange my schedule so I can watch them as they come out!! Thanks for these I can't wait to hear your opinions on He-Man Woman Hating Saw 3D
Saw 1 is probably one of my favourite horrors of all time alongside The Evil Dead. The rest that follow are like a guilty pleasure, which I tend to binge once every 2 years.
I love the entire storyline and twists and turns they hit us with, and I love the characters (some much more than others) my only “issue” which is probably a little closer to a first world problem, but I always have a hard time remembering which scenes are in which movie. I know the story and all the flashbacks I can just never remember which movie they’re in. Only happens in IV - 3D
@@ripdalt yea but it’s an “issue” in so far as I have trouble finding a particular scene bc I don’t know which movie it’s in, but again I still love them all no negative at all
strahm’s death makes me so sad bc he didn’t do anything wrong fr and he dies with his name and reputation tainted and i think movie 6 or 7 all the people who finally found out the truth get killed by hoffman so who knows if his name was ever cleared. and then strahm has the most gruesome death 😢 justice for him and officer carrie foreal
@@ripdalt it wasn't until this video that i looked and saw you weren't a massive channel. Absolutely seemed like one of those big channels that go over movies. Cheers!
@@Sinatra301 the channel's grown way bigger than i really thought it would, which is super cool :) i'm just happy people have found my videos interesting enough to subscribe!
I believe that Strahm is the embodiment of Wrath in this movie, and the fun thing about Wrath is that it clouds your judgment. Strahm is simply a cautionary tale on not letting your emotions control your outlook unless you can accept the awful outcome with it.
@ripdalt thank you! Very good video too! Strahm is one of my favorite in the whole series because I love the concept of wrath as a sin and how it shows that the only one who truly loses when you are wrathful is yourself!
Love that you're continuing w/ these videos on the, "Saw" franchise!!! Thank-you for these, I'm loving them & will be here to watch ALL of them ❤ Can't wait for your review on Saw X! 🪚🩸
I really love this movie and I find it stupid when people say generic things like after Saw 3 the series went downhill and stuff like that. But there is one big thing that I don't like. Because they showed Hoffman being part of so many early traps, it makes little sense how he was able to make something like the pendulum trap. I mean the earliest trap where Billy appeard is Amanda's as far as I know but the pendulum must have take place way before that. So how did Hoffman even know about the puppet? Also it seems too elaborate for an early trap. The knife chair for Cecil was great because it was minimalistic, easy to understand and it actually broke, so it's believable that it was one of the first traps. I think the makers were just too much into making a crazy opening trap which also had to be an early trap in the timeline. Even though the main gauntlet doesn't connect with the main story, I really like nearly everything about it. For one it's not the Saw3 and 4 formula which will be used for 2 more movies, where one person goes trhough several traps and has to make decisions for others in the actual traps. If Saw 5 had the same structure then you could really say how same-y these later movies are. But 5 is unique in this aspect. The other thing is that this time nobody was supposed to die. John likes to talk about giving chances and he gets pissed at Amanda for creating unwinable games, but except for this one, basically every trap had to have at least one dead person (except where only one person was trapped of course). The first main trap we see is the bathroom where he literally gives Dr. Gordon the task to kill Adam. He is cheating on his wife, but is it better to make him into a murderer? That's the problem I have when people praise Saw1 so much. It wasn't thought through completely, Jigsaw's morals where not as clear as they are now in the later movies. So yeah in Saw5 they were able to make traps which at the first glance look like 1 person has to die in each but at the end suddenly there is a machine which has holes for 5 people. From there you can think back about the other ones and find out that they were supposed to work together. Genius. I also like the boxes from Strahm, like you mentioned. I think you are the first YT-er who talked about how the box that fills up with water is pretty similar to the box at the end. So it's no wonder Strahm doesn't want to enter it I don't understand one thing from the scene where John is talking to Hoffman the first time and maybe it's because I don't know much about guns. What is the relevance of John opening the gun after Hoffman finds out that he oculdn't get shot. We can see that there is a bullet so does that mean that John could've killed him with the next try or was it luck that he wasn't actually shot? I don't get it.
you made some very great points here, some i wish i had in the video itself! i think the scene with john is kind of confusing because he's leaving it up to chance whether hoffman lives or not, kind of like anton chigurh. but it's completely antithetical to his "everyone deserves a chance" outburst mere moments prior
Personally, Saw 5 is actually my favorite entry in the series, and I know that is a very unpopular opinion. So why do I love this entry so much? Well… First off, this is Strahm at his finest. He was the first to survive a trap that was not intended to be escaped. He also beats it in a crazy and badass way, a tracheotomy on himself. Then he goes to lengths to figure how the truth about Hoffman and almost succeeded in bringing him down. The chess match between them is a delight to watch. Also, his response to the first tape is priceless. Second… the main game was a refreshing take on Saw 2’s game, and was one of the few scenarios where it was very possible for every victim to survive. Sure, the characters were selfish, but they did actually try to think the traps through before acting, something we often don’t see. The third and most important aspect was… Hoffman’s role. As I have said before, Hoffman’s my favorite character in the series, and this film is his origin story, so that right off the bat gives it immense points. But… I also loved how they fit him into the earlier films, I never saw any issues with it, it was seemless and added more depth to the timeline, and also made it more complex, which I adore. John Kramer had quite a few great moments. Of course his confrontation with Hoffman, but actually my personal favorite John Kramer quote is in this film. When they are setting up the game from Saw 2, John says this… “If you’re good at anticipating the human mind, it leaves nothing to chance.” This line then comes full circle at the end of the film, where Hoffman uses that thinking to outsmart and beat Strahm. Then there’s the ending. Yeah, there’s no massive twist aside from how Strahm was outsmarted, but that makes the film stand out to me and just seeing it play out was enough for me. Overall this one I have always been most entertained by and always has the replay value, especially considering who my favorite character is in the series. I’m glad you at least acknowledged that the film is nowhere near as bad as lots of people claim it is, especially since Saw 7 exists. And yes, I refuse to call that film anything else. Calling it Saw 3D reminds me of how pointless the 3D was, and calling it “The Final Chapter” is an insult to Friday the 13th’s entry of the same name.
very well put, this one may go down as the most underrated in the franchise, there's so much to this that can go unappreciated when getting caught up in the strahm vs hoffman game. but it's such a joy to watch, and i'm glad others think so :)
A lot of people say that Strahm failed his test by not getting into glass coffin. But what if he got in, what would be next for Strahm and Hoffman? Strahm is the only person who knows and has evidence that Hoffman is the Jigsaw. In order for Hoffman to continue his reign of horror he needs Strahm gone, dead. There is no way they can collaborate or have an agreement. If Hoffman wanted to test Strahm one last time and let him live he wouldn't be sneaking around making sounds outside the room. This question perplexes me because people say it so surely "yeah he died because he failed the test". Was there even a test?
i do genuinely believe that hoffman gave strahm a fair chance, and had strahm listened to the full tape, we could've had strahm continue his pursuit of justice in at least another film. though, that could've felt a bit stale and samey when that's what we already got with 5
Watching this I'm reminded of the biggest problem I had with the movie at the time--I can not tell the difference between those two men for shit. One of them needs an eye patch or something!
The whole police shenanigans are by far the best part of saw V and I’m always sad that the traps are so underwhelming :( (also I miss strahm…that cut to credits after he dies is crushing, I apologize for that joke but it was unavoidable)
for a good pun, you get a pass lmao. but i agree, the lack of the good traps in this one sucks, but makes the police parts stand out even more. at least 6 (peak) got both right though
I just rewatched this one yesterday. I'm revisiting the whole series AGAIN! I'm a total groupie, I love them all, no matter how bad some of them are supposed to be. Saw and Final Destination are the only franchises I'm committed to. No masked, evil entities that won't die, just people crazed by pain and, well, Death.
@@ripdalt Oh yeah it has flaws and it's slower compared to other SAWs but part of being a critic is also celebrating the good parts, not just whining about the bad parts. I rarely see any praise Strahm for that clever move.
I don't like how Hoffman was initiated. His "trap" was too easy compared to every other trap. All he had to do, in his mind, tell a man who just got done screaming about how "murder is distasteful" to pull the trigger on a shit gun. One can deduce that his captor would likely not kill him as it seems and there would have to be a twist of some kind. I do like this movie, but that was a small thing that bothered me. I would have preferred if he had a better trap before joining Jigsaw. Idk if they tried to fix this later when Jill put him in that trap or what.
i'm not sure if that was his "initiation trap" or not, i think that was more of john setting up a new accomplice. i think his initiation was being the help for john (kidnapping/fighting the razor wire guy, setting up the saw 2 house, etc.)
also if saw xi is gonna get hoffman involved again i hope they further explore john and his relationship more like they did in this movie. the shotgun chair scene is one of my favourites for this reason
I hope that, when you get to "Saw X", you watch it with audio description. My favorite audio describer, William Michael Redman, is on there, and I want to know what you think of it, as a sighted person. Before anybody asks, I’m able to type because I’m using Apple’s screen reader, VoiceOver, which makes the phone talk to me. I just hate when people ask me how I type, if I’m blind, like they’ve got somethin' on me lmfao! So, yep! I hope you'll try it out. I’m not sure how to turn on audio description on anything more than Netflix, so you'll probably have to play around a little, but the setting shouldn't be impossible to find. With Netflix, it's in the settings with the different languages and captions, so maybe that helps.
oh my i hadn't even thought about what the audio description of a saw movie might be like, that must be absolutely wild. thank you for telling me, i'll look into that and see how i can enable it! :) thank you for leaving this comment as well
I dont care what people say, I am a SUCKER for saw v, its my favourite of the series because strahm and hoffman are my favourite. I LOVE the ending so much because its the first time in cinema to watch the main character actually get crushed. there is no ex machina to save strahm. strahm could have survived, but he was too stubborn and angry to believe hoffman.. that tracheotomy scene made me LOVE him so very much
i fully agree, he totally redeemed himself throughout this movie, and i was simultaneously rooting for him and watching through my fingers as he gets squished
@@ripdaltI think the death where strum dies is the first and only death where someone dies by crushing walls in a movie or show. Agent Strum will be remembered for being a badass protagonist and being the best protagonist in anything ever
I don't believe Hoffman left Strahm a pen in the water trap. Hoffman received the note in his office that says, "I know who you are." That was revealed to be sent by Dr. Gordon. That makes me think even more that Gordon either captured Strahm and stuck him in the water trap, or he snuck a pen in his pocket when Hoffman left. Gordon gave him an opportunity to survive. Hoffman just wanted to kill him. That's why Hoffman was surprised to know Strahm was alive. He never gave him a pen.
@@ripdalt I think we're meant to believe Strahm left the note, but there are several hints that Gordon was always around, even if it was retconned into the story. "Saw 3" possibly gave many hints. There's all the hospital equipment that, while likely stolen, would have been easier to get with the help of Gordon. This is more evident when Dr. Lynn tells Amanda what she needs to operate on John. Amanda first calmly asks her what else Lynn needs after noting that she needs anesthetics. Lynn believes John needs better help at a hospital. Amanda cries and yells, "Anesthetics! What else?!" Amanda more than likely knows about Gordon, but he's kept as a secret from Hoffman.
@ripdalt there was a video on UA-cam that showed all the clues that Gordon is still alive. It must have been deleted. All I could find was a reply video on it. I'd find it interesting if you make a video one day all on Gordon and break down the possible hints of him being alive that were in the series before the reveal.
Strahm and Hoffman looks and sounds too identical at many points in the movie that it’s kinda hard to tell who’s at the screen. But aside from that, Saw V is great.
Saw v is still trash but your vid somehow makes it a little better haha. Been watching saw since 4th grade in 2004 though and have fun with any of them. Feel like it’s the only true horror series that is still going that I grew up watching throughout most of my whole life. Good vid as always 🤙
saw is one of the only ones i can think of that have held a pretty constant popularity since the release, maybe the conjuring (funny enough). but the rest have had their ends and reboots and eventual ends again, but the saw heartbeat just keeps on beating. also, thank you very much :)
I think this is my favorite group of traps because they actually feel fair and survivable. They had all the clues they needed if only they would just not be selfish assholes
The opening shot of.... strahm looking panicked at the reviews was hilarious.
lmao thank you i was pretty proud of that one :)
Hahaha I didn’t even notice bc I was just listening at first
I’m glad I saw your comment and went back
That was a nice touch
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19:56 I actually think that Hoffman was pulling a clever double-bluff at the end. The construction of the glass coffin mirroring the water cube, the tubes running down into it from *opaque* containers, the line on the tape "I ask you if you've learned anything on your journey of discovery?", as well as "foul me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me," alluding back to the water cube. So think about it from Strahm's perspective: this would be harkening back to the most traumatic moment of his life and he now knows that Hoffman was the one who drugged him and put him in a trap designed to kill him. (Incidentally, you said that it's not a coincidence that Hoffman left him the pen but I do think that was an accident because Hoffman didn't want any lose ends, said to Fisk that "nobody else made it," and was surprised when Strahm made it out alive. He clearly wanted him dead.) Strahm also knew that Hoffman was the one who kept setting up unwinnable games like the pendulum trap and Kerry's trap. And the opening of the tape being directly addressed to Strahm means that Strahm then knows that Hoffman knows that Strahm knows that Hoffman is the new Jigsaw. He's already tried to kill Strahm before and all the evidence points to Hoffman clearly wanting to do it again. Hoffman set up the conditions as such that Strahm would think he's lying which is what Hoffman wanted.
Also, I love the idea that the original plan for this trap was for the glass coffin to be the only safe space while the room fills with water as a direct inverse of Strahm's water cube trap.
i think that hoffman simply didn't expect strahm to go through with the tracheotomy, but still offered that as an option because of john's "everyone deserves a chance". but i agree, the glass cube and coffin are some of my favorite traps in the series. the room filling with water would've been good, but the crushing made it all the more gruesome
I never put together the connection of the glass coffin and the water cube down to the tubes on that top that’s so cool!!
Hoffman didn't make unwinnable traps, only Amanda. The example with Seth Baxter doesn't count because he wasn't working as a jigsaw accomplice that was personal vengeance it wasn't a true trap. When he became an accomplice he upheld John's standards. This is just what I understood though it's open to interpretation and I don't mean this in a mean way or anything! Saw 3D is super inconsistent I like it a lot but it contradicts so much from the other movies I choose not to think about it too much. Hoffman's killings were badass but not totally in character. Also the unwinnable trap for the innocent woman also being one of the most terrible and excruciating deaths ever makes no sense and I don't think any of the jigsaw apprentices would've done this
Kerry's trap was Amanda's, Hoffman only helped. The only unwinnable trap Hoffman made was for Seth. Hoffman assumed Strahm died because most people do. Hoffman emptied his pockets, it's not a coincidence that he left him the one thing that could actually save his life
The ending hit like a ton of bricks. It works so well for John, the mutation of his legacy. As his cells mutated within him.
thank you so much, i enjoyed that part of the script very much. it just worked so well with all things considered :)
wow, never thought of it that way. Great symbolism.
One of my favorite things is how the Strahm glass box trap is a seemingly polar opposite of Kerry's angel trap, from Saw 3, and how it reflects both the of characters and who put them in their traps.
Kerry was a much more physical threat to Jigsaw and the crew, as seen when she unloads a pistol into her closet, when she thinks someone might be in there. As such, her trap was focused on body and brutality. Her face is obscured at the beginning (much like how she tried to obscure her emotions around others) and she had to dip her hand in acid or have her ribs rips clean out.
Meanwhile, Straum was a much more mental threat, seeing as he found out about Hoffman without much (if any) help from the other agents. As such, his first trap focuses first on his head and requires out of the box thinking to escape. All you can see is his face at the beginning (showing both how he's trapped mentally and emotionally) and to escape he had to use a tool in an unintended way and hope someone else would save him.
It also says a lot about who set up the traps. Both were inescapable. But Amanda set up the angel trap so it truly was impossible to break free, because she was a bad student of John's. Meanwhile Hoffman, set up the glass box trap and while it seemed impossible to escape, it can be read he purposefully left the pen for Straum so Straum could survive, because Hoffman was a good student of John's and a worthy successor to the Jigsaw legacy.
wow, that's a fantastic comparison! very well done (i wish i thought of adding this lmao)
I don't think it's rightfully read that he purposely left the pen for Strahm. When Hoffman came out of the building, he said something like "Nobody made it, they're all dead", assuming that Strahm was dead not because he didn't pass his test, but because there was no test, Strahm was supposed to die. If Hoffman intentionally left the pen, he wouldn't have assumed that Strahm didn't make it, he would've been unsure about it, but he was dead surprised to see Hoffman getting wheeled out of there with a hole in his neck
Saw V can't be the worst when Saw 3D exists....
Great vid as usual. 👍
you're so right... and thank you! :)
I love that Saw 3D is universally hated amongst the Saw fans.
Spiral ☠️☠️☠️ that wasn't even a saw movie it was a bad generic cop flick
Saw 3D had the silent one right
Hoffman just wanted Peter to stay hydrated man
he's a real one for that (also i feel like he definitely could drink enough of that water to survive, or at least buy some time)
@@ripdalt no I'm pretty sure it's impossible to drink that much water I feel like you'd just drown or choke or puke or something
@@Hatsune-Miku_Fan what if you just lock in???
@ripdalt he could've broken the glass with the pen to take out some water while he drinks maybe
Peter’s character is what makes this movie great. I have always loved 5 and never understood why it got so much hate. Peter’s character is a really strong character and the way he gets killed in the end really shows how little mercy this movies really have
i think what i respect most about the series is they're not afraid to kill main characters. john, amanda, strahm, anyone
@@ripdalt and that’s why you make such amazing videos about the series we all love! Please keep it up!
Is there any other movie/tv show universe where its the same?@@ripdalt
Stuff like cutting they arms in half when all they needed to do was bleed, was a bit silly. Stuff like that is what hurt it for me.
Because the traps are boring and the characters for said traps are absolutely irritating the cop plot is the only good aspect
That scene between Hoffmann and John is some of the best work in the series, the tension it builds, and the payoff we get afterwards. It's perfect for this
it's probably the best way they could've started their relationship together. using that as a catalyst is better for hoffman's character, rather than if they repeated amanda's arc
People can say whatever they want, I firmly believe the Fatal Five's Trial is the best game in the series. The individual traps may not be particularly special, but how they come together as a whole is perfect. It's a completely fair game and reminds me so much of Saw 1 in terms of the victims having to figure out for themselves from each other why this is happening to them
i can't really argue with that, it's such a well designed trap. it's not overly gory, but it is rich with meaning and purpose. it rocks
hi everyone! thank you all for the support throughout the series, it means a lot that people are willing to hear me yap for like half and hour at a time about these absurd movies.
5 down, 5.5 to go :o
it's so weird that Saw 5 is now at the halfway point of the series. For a long time it was in the second half lol
after the series is over I need a 5 hour super cut of all the videos (I am joking, but also I would be seated ngl)
@@venti3849 oooh you might've just given me an idea... :o
Got here faster and more on time than to any date I've had.
this is the dedication the saw franchise needs, thank you for your service
For my money the group trap in 5 is better than the one in 2. The one in 5 builds to a revelation but the one in two has a bunch of sidequest distracting from the main game of getting the numbers off the back of their heads.
that's a solid point, i never really looked at it that way, but it definitely reads like that. the one from 5 is much more focused on the games, whereas the one from 2 is more on the relationships and dynamics of the group, while also completing their "fetch quest", in a sense
That’s because 2 wasn’t originally a saw script. I have always thought saw 2 was slightly overrated 😅
I think the game in Saw II simply needed more personalized traps, as there were really only two and overall didn't seem to be "rehabilitating" the victims in any meaningful way. I think the tension from a time limit and having a social aspect of people to betray each other offered a more interesting environment as there was a slower build up to everyone becoming desperate to survive rather than the immediate sacrificing in Saw V. They're both pretty good in different ways, and kind of show an evolution to the Jigsaw persona to the point that the survivors of the Fatal Five actually having "repented" from the experience, recognizing their sin and pushing through the punishment John set out for them, something that has repeatedly been a failing point of his games.
I actually really like Hofmann as part of the jigsaw crew. He looks like someone who would like to torture people 😂
Plus, it doesn't hurt that Costas Mandylor is handsome as hell!! 😉🔥😂
he _might_ be my favorite of the bunch, at least to watch in action
HOFFMAN SUPREMACY😊
Those videos are so fun, please keep them coming
Also I absolutely loved the intro
thank you so much :)
Honestly I have a pretty strong stomach for gore and stuff, but oh my god, the ending…
It was the first time I actually panicked watching one of these
my heartrate definitely skyrockets there, it's such a tense scene
The way Strahm cries at the end still gets me. Fantastic actor
@@Jim-pq9pm I don’t think I ever really even noticed him crying
@@panquake5698 Can't blame you. It's so intense and happens so fast.
I loooooved Saw V. It's definitely my favorite after Saw 1 and 2. The twist was fantastic, and the 10 pints of blood is a trap I still cringe to watch. The flashbacks in Saw 5 is some of the best. Saw 5 is honestly my last favorite Saw movie until Saw X came out.
if i think about the 10 pint trap too long i start to get queasy lmao, it's so rough
I think one of the most interesting aspects of the series is their ability to retcon so much into the story and still have it be manageably cohesive and make sense. I think the liberties they take are outweighed by the amount of storytelling they gain from it. I believe that had Saw 1 been a stand alone movie, it would have spawned a much later, less quality trilogy/10 part series. Great breakdown on the series, I think your content is awesome !
they manage to squeeze in little bits of information where you thought a previous film had completely wrapped up, it's so interesting
I believe the biggest issue of the movie was having the Fatal Five games and Hoffman/Straham cat & mouse game not being interrelated
Straham should've had a personal relationship to one of the five players to at least make it that his follow up of Hoffman is related and he needs to do quickly and adds more stakes and you could still keep him being fired from the case due to him not being able to control himself to save that close person to him
i 100% agree, they just felt thrown in for the sake of having the traps and gore to be considered a "saw movie"
I just thought of this reading your comment but maybe they could've made it so that Strahm has to balance having somebody he knows in the Fatal Five trap and solving the case he does in the actual movie. It would go back to the scene in Saw1 when John asks Tapp what is more important to arrest him or save another life :)
I think rather than have him be close to one of the victims, it'd have been better if he lost his shit during the case at one of them, maybe committing a little police brutality and roughing one of them up (perhaps Mallick for example because he _knows_ he lit that fire since he's such a good detective but his father's hush money/interference from his higher-ups is protecting him) and got taken off the case for it, hence making it much more plausible to Erickson that he'd be the Jigsaw killer and give him more motive for targeting them, also that whole thing of Hoffman trying to convince him of his viewpoint would work better too if Strahm does feel similarly to how Hoffman does.
Finally, someone else understands and appreciates how good (and at some points bad) saw V was. I see everywhere people saying that saw V was one of the worst out of the franchise, but it's probably top 3 for me.
What I personally think the downfall of the movie was what was done at the end of saw IV, revealing Hoffman as an apprentice. It seemed so rushed and out of place, compared to the gradual reveal of both John and Amanda and the end of i & ii. If they had kept the real identity of Hoffman from the audience, it would've allowed the audience to follow Strahm through his revelation that the accomplice is Hoffman, further emulating the mystery and paranoia of the first movie and paralleling the paranoia and distrust in the fatal five trap. The problem with the flashbacks is that they happened whilst Strahm was the focus, which made no sense as they were from Hoffman's POV, making it seem (like you said) that he was just coming up with "headcannons", and the scenes would've would just fine without them. I can see why the writers/director wanted to include them, but I think it fits better in saw VI. Removing the flashbacks shifts the main character solely to Strahm, rather than both of them. Additionally, it makes the chase for Hoffman seem a lot shorter, as the audience are not entirely sure it's Hoffman throughout saw V, rather than going on for two movies (saw V & VI). Two. Movies. Therefore, when he dies in the glass coffin trap, it confirms both to him and the audience that Hoffman is the new jigsaw, and then perfectly leads to Saw VI and Hoffman's attempt to conceal his true identity, truly starting the chase. This movie had the potential to be one of the best in the franchise but they focused on Hoffman too much.
In summary, the movie would've been better with less Hoffman and more Strahm lmao (pls don't come at me he is one of my fave characters, it's just that this movie was made for Strahm).
i agree wholeheartedly. the potential was there, and peeked through at points, but in the end was just that, potential. having this one be a "strahm movie" would've improved it way more, and then allow 6 and/or 7 to be the hoffman ones, especially if they insisted on having strahm still die. either way, his character redemption is beautiful to see play out
I also love the blueish green color gradient in the film
if it's one thing in this franchise, they're gonna have some nice colors throughout
@@ripdalt yeah but I like the colors in saw v the best
love your passion for this series! have yet to actually watch any of the movies yet but these videos have convinced me to give them a try when i probably otherwise wouldn't have
i'd 100% recommend it! watch with some friends too! that's always super fun. i'm glad you like the videos even without having seen them :)
Fun fact, it's the same house as the nerve gas house from SAW 2, Hoffman fixed it up and made it look real nice.
we LOVE a home improvement king
these have been a lot of fun to watch! i enjoy hearing your insights and has made me appreciate the movies a lot more! can't wait to see more! :)
thank you so much, i appreciate your support on them :)
I love Saw V, it might be one of my favorites, and I’m glad to see other people appreciating it!
i was sleepin on it for so long, but it's so so good
Hey, you're back! Can't wait to hear this one. 🖤 That pendulum scene was wild in theaters, enthralling and disgusting. Loved it.
and you're back too! i would do anything to see that pendulum in action on the big screen
These reviews are awesome
You do such a great job !
thank you, i'm glad you enjoy! :)
Happy to see a new video. :) They are always such a treat!
When you eventually get to Saw 3D, will you be talking about the strange misogynistic undertones of the movie? I've seen people talking about it on online. Even Dead Meat mentioned it.
yes i went pretty heavily into that actually! that part of 3d always made me uncomfy. also thank you for watching :)
It's funny how the reviews for the movie are bad yet every single reactor I've watched to react to the movie had loved Saw V. And many said it was their favorite.
generally my rule is don't put any weight into movie reviews until after watching the film, then i can look at other's point of views and see how mine stacks up
Reviewers and reactors are different people with different preferences
I genuinely love coming back to these vids after watching the movies
thank you! i'm glad you've enjoyed them so much :)
I’ve been waiting for this!
it's heeeeereeee :) thank you for being patient! hopefully you enjoy :)
love your reviews tho thank you so much for your time and effort❤️
thank you so much, that means a lot to me :)
maybe unpopular opinion but i think this is somewhat correct: Saw 5 is what made saw 6 flop, which also made saw 7 what it is, (2 movies shortened into 1).. Because box office... However, Saw 6 is one of the better sequels imo (this is the unpopular opinion part). But it (the decline of everything after) happened because of Saw 5
100%, i go into the box office flop of 6 in that analysis a bit, but it's definitely sad because 6 is genuinely so good
4:26 I think it was cool that they actually used practical effects for the pendulmn and head cube traps...
i LOVE practical effects. i'm pretty sure strahm even did his own stunt for the head cube, which is gives him exponentially more credit
@@ripdalt And also almost drowned multiple times during filming of the scene...
When I originally saw the movies in probably 2018 (it was a bit after Jigsaw came out) Saw 5 was my favorite with Jig8aw close behind.
Not the case anymore, (2, 6, and 10 are probably my current favorites, in no particular order)
But there was something there that I appreciated. I liked the detective mystery back and forth thriller aspect, as well as the cooperative game aspect.
i can definitely see that, there's something in each of the movies for everyone i feel. and someone out there will have a favorite that's someone else's least favorite, which is pretty cool
saw v frustrated me to no end when i saw it initially, purely because of the fact that it was a revelation to the fatal 5 that they could've worked together. i understand that the characters were fundamentally selfish people and thats the point of their test, but i think its far more realistic (and compelling) to see adam and lawrence do elaborate schemes and plans to get them both out alive - especially because they reason to dislike/not trust the other. when i saw the bomb shelters i was sooooooo mad because there was obviously room for at least 3 people in one chamber. maybe if they made them more openly vindictive from the beginning like the drug dealer from saw 2 then maybe i would buy it more. i think its a problem with the escalation of the saw franchise (i mean saw 6 literally begins with the climax of saw 1, someone sawing their own limb off to survive but somehow even more intense) but overall i think fondly of saw 5. i really love strahm's character and his almost cartoonish investigations (the way he whispers to himself about what he found out kills me) and honestly don't mind the retconning. the amount of physical labour needed for some of the traps imo would be far too much for a cancer ridden old man and a recovering(?) drug addict. anyways, enough with the essay. i love keeping up with this series!! keep it up 🗣🗣
the more people you need to work together, the less likely it is to happen. it's kinda like the three body physics problem, but within the sawverse
I really enjoy these. This is my favorite movie franchise of all time and listening to these in the background makes me feel like I’m watching the movie on 2x speed lol. Can’t wait for the rest of them!
saw franchise speedrun!
Me: "I just hope Strahm survive this"
Saw 5: "I'm gonna end this person's career"
strahm deserved so much more!!!
Saw V is better than 3D and a shitload better than Spiral and Jigsaw
100% agreed, i'd watch 5 over those other 3 any day
@@ripdalt If I'm watching 5 I'm watching at least all the first seven movies. Then I'd probably feel obligated to finish even just to get to X.
love seeing these analysis! every time you put out a new one it makes me so excited for the next, keep up the good work! :D
thank youuuu :) i'm glad you enjoy them
These videos are so well written and edited, I genuinely rearrange my schedule so I can watch them as they come out!! Thanks for these I can't wait to hear your opinions on He-Man Woman Hating Saw 3D
thank you so much, i'm glad you enjoy them :) saw 3d shaved years off my life (but i do go into the misogyny quite a bit)
Saw 1 is probably one of my favourite horrors of all time alongside The Evil Dead. The rest that follow are like a guilty pleasure, which I tend to binge once every 2 years.
same! if i don't know what to put on, hey saw franchise rewatch sounds good lmao
I love the entire storyline and twists and turns they hit us with, and I love the characters (some much more than others) my only “issue” which is probably a little closer to a first world problem, but I always have a hard time remembering which scenes are in which movie. I know the story and all the flashbacks I can just never remember which movie they’re in. Only happens in IV - 3D
y'know that's pretty fair, they go heavy for the flashbacks which definitely can make the timeline murky
@@ripdalt yea but it’s an “issue” in so far as I have trouble finding a particular scene bc I don’t know which movie it’s in, but again I still love them all no negative at all
the sawathon breakdown continues with a video i’ve been anticipating! A very overly critiqued sequel imo, like just have fun & enjoy the ride!
exactlyyyy, you know how to enjoy the series
this video might make me finally rewatch them all
omg you should! they're always a fun time :)
strahm’s death makes me so sad bc he didn’t do anything wrong fr and he dies with his name and reputation tainted and i think movie 6 or 7 all the people who finally found out the truth get killed by hoffman so who knows if his name was ever cleared. and then strahm has the most gruesome death 😢 justice for him and officer carrie foreal
it's such a heartbreaking ending for him, one of the few truly good/honorable characters having to go out with his legacy tarnished
Stumbled onto the channel the other day, loving these videos! You would be great at all movie analysis i feel
i appreciate that :) comments like this give me a lot of confidence to keep these style of vids coming :)
@@ripdalt it wasn't until this video that i looked and saw you weren't a massive channel. Absolutely seemed like one of those big channels that go over movies.
Cheers!
@@Sinatra301 the channel's grown way bigger than i really thought it would, which is super cool :) i'm just happy people have found my videos interesting enough to subscribe!
The moments and movie where the fans are waiting for: Strahm and Hoffman
12:41 - *looking at Hoffman* KILLING IS DISTASTEFUL
_... to me_
I believe that Strahm is the embodiment of Wrath in this movie, and the fun thing about Wrath is that it clouds your judgment. Strahm is simply a cautionary tale on not letting your emotions control your outlook unless you can accept the awful outcome with it.
absolutely, he's so stubborn and headstrong. always going full steam ahead with no regard for the consequences. great connection!
@ripdalt thank you! Very good video too! Strahm is one of my favorite in the whole series because I love the concept of wrath as a sin and how it shows that the only one who truly loses when you are wrathful is yourself!
Love that you're continuing w/ these videos on the, "Saw" franchise!!! Thank-you for these, I'm loving them & will be here to watch ALL of them ❤ Can't wait for your review on Saw X! 🪚🩸
i appreciate you and the love you're showin the series :)
lol I just finished your Saw IV video and was hoping there’d be more
Sick series - have subbed :)
perfect timing! thank you for joining on this wild ride of jigsaw :)
I actually think Saw 5 is one of the best.
it's really good! i feel like super slept on
Im so ready for your saw vi analysis
i LOVED that one (plus it has a fun lil mini game in it :o ) it's coming next friday!
@@ripdalt yay
dalt your honor I'm in love with you pls give us a saw 0.5 review
it _will_ be coming! :)
@@ripdalt best thing since the coming of christ
Another awesome Saw breakdown!
thank you, much appreciated! :)
I’ve been waiting for this day for a long time
this is _your_ day
Can’t wait to see you do the rest of the series
thank you! :) they're comin soon!
I just love how much you love these movies 😂 glad someone enjoys something so much. 🎉
i've loved these ever since i was young, and finally getting a chance to express it has been amazing, and the support doubly amazing :)
I really love this movie and I find it stupid when people say generic things like after Saw 3 the series went downhill and stuff like that. But there is one big thing that I don't like. Because they showed Hoffman being part of so many early traps, it makes little sense how he was able to make something like the pendulum trap. I mean the earliest trap where Billy appeard is Amanda's as far as I know but the pendulum must have take place way before that. So how did Hoffman even know about the puppet? Also it seems too elaborate for an early trap. The knife chair for Cecil was great because it was minimalistic, easy to understand and it actually broke, so it's believable that it was one of the first traps. I think the makers were just too much into making a crazy opening trap which also had to be an early trap in the timeline.
Even though the main gauntlet doesn't connect with the main story, I really like nearly everything about it. For one it's not the Saw3 and 4 formula which will be used for 2 more movies, where one person goes trhough several traps and has to make decisions for others in the actual traps. If Saw 5 had the same structure then you could really say how same-y these later movies are. But 5 is unique in this aspect. The other thing is that this time nobody was supposed to die. John likes to talk about giving chances and he gets pissed at Amanda for creating unwinable games, but except for this one, basically every trap had to have at least one dead person (except where only one person was trapped of course). The first main trap we see is the bathroom where he literally gives Dr. Gordon the task to kill Adam. He is cheating on his wife, but is it better to make him into a murderer? That's the problem I have when people praise Saw1 so much. It wasn't thought through completely, Jigsaw's morals where not as clear as they are now in the later movies. So yeah in Saw5 they were able to make traps which at the first glance look like 1 person has to die in each but at the end suddenly there is a machine which has holes for 5 people. From there you can think back about the other ones and find out that they were supposed to work together. Genius.
I also like the boxes from Strahm, like you mentioned. I think you are the first YT-er who talked about how the box that fills up with water is pretty similar to the box at the end. So it's no wonder Strahm doesn't want to enter it
I don't understand one thing from the scene where John is talking to Hoffman the first time and maybe it's because I don't know much about guns. What is the relevance of John opening the gun after Hoffman finds out that he oculdn't get shot. We can see that there is a bullet so does that mean that John could've killed him with the next try or was it luck that he wasn't actually shot? I don't get it.
you made some very great points here, some i wish i had in the video itself! i think the scene with john is kind of confusing because he's leaving it up to chance whether hoffman lives or not, kind of like anton chigurh. but it's completely antithetical to his "everyone deserves a chance" outburst mere moments prior
Personally, Saw 5 is actually my favorite entry in the series, and I know that is a very unpopular opinion.
So why do I love this entry so much? Well…
First off, this is Strahm at his finest. He was the first to survive a trap that was not intended to be escaped. He also beats it in a crazy and badass way, a tracheotomy on himself. Then he goes to lengths to figure how the truth about Hoffman and almost succeeded in bringing him down. The chess match between them is a delight to watch. Also, his response to the first tape is priceless.
Second… the main game was a refreshing take on Saw 2’s game, and was one of the few scenarios where it was very possible for every victim to survive. Sure, the characters were selfish, but they did actually try to think the traps through before acting, something we often don’t see.
The third and most important aspect was… Hoffman’s role. As I have said before, Hoffman’s my favorite character in the series, and this film is his origin story, so that right off the bat gives it immense points. But… I also loved how they fit him into the earlier films, I never saw any issues with it, it was seemless and added more depth to the timeline, and also made it more complex, which I adore.
John Kramer had quite a few great moments. Of course his confrontation with Hoffman, but actually my personal favorite John Kramer quote is in this film. When they are setting up the game from Saw 2, John says this…
“If you’re good at anticipating the human mind, it leaves nothing to chance.”
This line then comes full circle at the end of the film, where Hoffman uses that thinking to outsmart and beat Strahm.
Then there’s the ending. Yeah, there’s no massive twist aside from how Strahm was outsmarted, but that makes the film stand out to me and just seeing it play out was enough for me.
Overall this one I have always been most entertained by and always has the replay value, especially considering who my favorite character is in the series.
I’m glad you at least acknowledged that the film is nowhere near as bad as lots of people claim it is, especially since Saw 7 exists.
And yes, I refuse to call that film anything else. Calling it Saw 3D reminds me of how pointless the 3D was, and calling it “The Final Chapter” is an insult to Friday the 13th’s entry of the same name.
very well put, this one may go down as the most underrated in the franchise, there's so much to this that can go unappreciated when getting caught up in the strahm vs hoffman game. but it's such a joy to watch, and i'm glad others think so :)
the glass coffin trap changed lives tbh
everytime i see strahm and hoffman fight it out i am LIVING
Saw V kicked ass. I want to rewatch it now. Strahm's death was rough, felt bad. This was the Hoffman show, so if you aren't a fan of him, I get it.
i am seated front row for the hoffman show each time, he rips
subbed! That Bush joke was a nice touch
thank you and welcome! i'm glad you liked it lmao :)
When I think of Saw 5, I think of the glass coffin. Great video!
it's an image that sticks with you, it's brilliant :)
13:32 Strahm headcanon 😂
this is his personal fanfic, i love it
A lot of people say that Strahm failed his test by not getting into glass coffin. But what if he got in, what would be next for Strahm and Hoffman? Strahm is the only person who knows and has evidence that Hoffman is the Jigsaw. In order for Hoffman to continue his reign of horror he needs Strahm gone, dead. There is no way they can collaborate or have an agreement. If Hoffman wanted to test Strahm one last time and let him live he wouldn't be sneaking around making sounds outside the room. This question perplexes me because people say it so surely "yeah he died because he failed the test". Was there even a test?
i do genuinely believe that hoffman gave strahm a fair chance, and had strahm listened to the full tape, we could've had strahm continue his pursuit of justice in at least another film. though, that could've felt a bit stale and samey when that's what we already got with 5
Watching this I'm reminded of the biggest problem I had with the movie at the time--I can not tell the difference between those two men for shit. One of them needs an eye patch or something!
y'know i hear that a lot! i definitely get it though, but i think strahm looks a lot more like saul goodman lmao
Now I could go for tea rn
tea and some biscuits on the side
please continue this series
i sure will! next one is out on friday!thank you for watching :)
The whole police shenanigans are by far the best part of saw V and I’m always sad that the traps are so underwhelming :( (also I miss strahm…that cut to credits after he dies is crushing, I apologize for that joke but it was unavoidable)
for a good pun, you get a pass lmao. but i agree, the lack of the good traps in this one sucks, but makes the police parts stand out even more. at least 6 (peak) got both right though
Was hoping I’d see that damn George W clip in there XD
lmao i HAD to
I kick my feet in the air, and a giggle when you upload
omg comments like this get _me_ kicking _my_ feet and giggling :)
I just rewatched this one yesterday. I'm revisiting the whole series AGAIN! I'm a total groupie, I love them all, no matter how bad some of them are supposed to be. Saw and Final Destination are the only franchises I'm committed to. No masked, evil entities that won't die, just people crazed by pain and, well, Death.
they're SO good, i can't believe we get both a new saw movie AND a new final destination. horror fans are getting absolutely spoiled for peak cinema
Saw V might be my favorite tbh 🫡🫡
you're going against the grain, i respect it
Finally saw v appreciation !! It’s one of my favorites and felt so upset finding out people didn’t enjoy it
i really enjoy it! it's not my favorite in the franchise by any means, but i think it's such a fun time :)
The saw movies have always been entertaining for me to watch and 5 was no exception 😅
exactlyyyyy you get it
As long you don't take the movies to seriously you'll still find enjoyment in them
Strahm: Does the most clever thing ever to escape an inescapable trap.
Critics: This writing is poor.
Me: Did we even watch the same movie?
i really like that part! just some other parts of the film leave a lot to be desired
@@ripdalt Oh yeah it has flaws and it's slower compared to other SAWs but part of being a critic is also celebrating the good parts, not just whining about the bad parts. I rarely see any praise Strahm for that clever move.
I don't like how Hoffman was initiated. His "trap" was too easy compared to every other trap. All he had to do, in his mind, tell a man who just got done screaming about how "murder is distasteful" to pull the trigger on a shit gun. One can deduce that his captor would likely not kill him as it seems and there would have to be a twist of some kind. I do like this movie, but that was a small thing that bothered me. I would have preferred if he had a better trap before joining Jigsaw. Idk if they tried to fix this later when Jill put him in that trap or what.
i'm not sure if that was his "initiation trap" or not, i think that was more of john setting up a new accomplice. i think his initiation was being the help for john (kidnapping/fighting the razor wire guy, setting up the saw 2 house, etc.)
@@ripdalt ah. I can see how that makes sense.
Another fantastic video Dalt! NExt we get Saw 6!!!!
and that one's a doozy!
i will always defend saw v it's so much funnn. i might be biased though because i'm a hoffstrahm shipper 😭
you're SO real for that though
also if saw xi is gonna get hoffman involved again i hope they further explore john and his relationship more like they did in this movie. the shotgun chair scene is one of my favourites for this reason
i really think they will, considering the "epic" tease we got after x
I hope that, when you get to "Saw X", you watch it with audio description.
My favorite audio describer, William Michael Redman, is on there, and I want to know what you think of it, as a sighted person.
Before anybody asks, I’m able to type because I’m using Apple’s screen reader, VoiceOver, which makes the phone talk to me.
I just hate when people ask me how I type, if I’m blind, like they’ve got somethin' on me lmfao!
So, yep!
I hope you'll try it out.
I’m not sure how to turn on audio description on anything more than Netflix, so you'll probably have to play around a little, but the setting shouldn't be impossible to find.
With Netflix, it's in the settings with the different languages and captions, so maybe that helps.
oh my i hadn't even thought about what the audio description of a saw movie might be like, that must be absolutely wild. thank you for telling me, i'll look into that and see how i can enable it! :) thank you for leaving this comment as well
He’s on "Jigsaw", too.
Wake up babe, new dalt. Saw video just dropped
everyone gather 'round! also, thank you for watching :)
I dont care what people say, I am a SUCKER for saw v, its my favourite of the series because strahm and hoffman are my favourite. I LOVE the ending so much because its the first time in cinema to watch the main character actually get crushed. there is no ex machina to save strahm. strahm could have survived, but he was too stubborn and angry to believe hoffman..
that tracheotomy scene made me LOVE him so very much
i fully agree, he totally redeemed himself throughout this movie, and i was simultaneously rooting for him and watching through my fingers as he gets squished
have been absolutely loving these videos!!!! thank u for fueling my ever burning sawtism......
i'm glad you enjoy them! :)
I've never really liked Saw V because I always found it a little boring, but when I Saw (2004) your video, it definitely changed my view of the movie.
i saw (2004) what you did there
RIP Strum
He didn’t deserve to die that way
he would've LOVED NCIS: los angeles
it's a brutal death, but in the end he got exactly what he was looking for, the closure of being right
@@ripdaltI think the death where strum dies is the first and only death where someone dies by crushing walls in a movie or show. Agent Strum will be remembered for being a badass protagonist and being the best protagonist in anything ever
I came for saw. I see new saw uploads. I have to subscribe.
Any saw with Strahm is a good saw
welcome! there's plenty more saw to come :)
any saw with Strahm is a good saw absolutely accurate
I don't believe Hoffman left Strahm a pen in the water trap. Hoffman received the note in his office that says, "I know who you are." That was revealed to be sent by Dr. Gordon. That makes me think even more that Gordon either captured Strahm and stuck him in the water trap, or he snuck a pen in his pocket when Hoffman left. Gordon gave him an opportunity to survive. Hoffman just wanted to kill him. That's why Hoffman was surprised to know Strahm was alive. He never gave him a pen.
y'know that's a fair point, i hadn't even thought of that (but i suppose _technically_ we aren't supposed to know gordon is still kickin it in saw 5)
@@ripdalt I think we're meant to believe Strahm left the note, but there are several hints that Gordon was always around, even if it was retconned into the story.
"Saw 3" possibly gave many hints. There's all the hospital equipment that, while likely stolen, would have been easier to get with the help of Gordon. This is more evident when Dr. Lynn tells Amanda what she needs to operate on John. Amanda first calmly asks her what else Lynn needs after noting that she needs anesthetics. Lynn believes John needs better help at a hospital. Amanda cries and yells, "Anesthetics! What else?!" Amanda more than likely knows about Gordon, but he's kept as a secret from Hoffman.
@ripdalt there was a video on UA-cam that showed all the clues that Gordon is still alive. It must have been deleted. All I could find was a reply video on it. I'd find it interesting if you make a video one day all on Gordon and break down the possible hints of him being alive that were in the series before the reveal.
@@christophermcbride2522 that could be a fun one, i'll look into it! thank you!
Personally, I've always found Saw V to be a very strong entry in the franchise.
it's super underrated! not quite the best, but certainly better than some of the others
UA-cam Notifications why have you failed me! I had to go and find this
common youtube L. but it's okay, you're here now! :)
People who say Saw 5 and Spiral are the worst in the series obviously haven't seen Saw 7
saw 5 i'll defend... spiral on the other hand...
@@ripdalt Spiral wasn't perfect, but it's not as bad as people are making it out to be
Obsessed with this series
thank you! :)
Strahm is still the best character. I hope we get more of him in Saw 11 and/or 12.
ooooh that would be fun!
Strahm and Hoffman looks and sounds too identical at many points in the movie that it’s kinda hard to tell who’s at the screen. But aside from that, Saw V is great.
i see that a lot, and i definitely get it lmao
Saw v is still trash but your vid somehow makes it a little better haha. Been watching saw since 4th grade in 2004 though and have fun with any of them. Feel like it’s the only true horror series that is still going that I grew up watching throughout most of my whole life. Good vid as always 🤙
saw is one of the only ones i can think of that have held a pretty constant popularity since the release, maybe the conjuring (funny enough). but the rest have had their ends and reboots and eventual ends again, but the saw heartbeat just keeps on beating. also, thank you very much :)
I think this is my favorite group of traps because they actually feel fair and survivable. They had all the clues they needed if only they would just not be selfish assholes
exactly, this is probably jigsaw method at it's most fair
Can't wait for The next one
it's a good one! should be out next friday :)
I was so gutted that Straham died. He really was trying to find justice.
if they left it open ended i 100% would be coping that he somehow made it. but no. my hopes were crushed
Great video!
thank you! :)
Saw V is my favorite saw film lowkey
i've seen a lot of saw v defenders here, it's awesome :) 5 isn't my favorite, but it's probably the most underrated one (up there with 3)
@@ripdalt most of my favorites of franchises are either the 4th or 5th entry lol
RE 4 and 5
Saw 5
Silent Hill 4
It’s a wierd thing