My favorite fun fact about this movie is that the actress that played one of the predatory lenders competed in a reality tv show for her role in saw 6.
Bro fr they ARE the real villains. Trust my husband and I have like a board and it’s like who is the worse ins company today and who did they fuck over? A cancer patient or a literal infant?
@@ripdalt lol you caught me! Saw 6 was pretty all right, much better than the following three, but it suffers from it's plot points being nearly indistinguishable from that of S5. I have to remind myself "it's the one where Roderick makes a guy OD on krokodil"
saw 6 is one of my favourites and it always makes me wish we got more of amanda and hoffman together because their dynamic is so interesting (wich is exactly my hope for saw xi) imo this movie has the best traps, especially the shotgun carousel and hoffman fighting for his life in the beartrap is just so fantastic how they followed this masterpiece with saw 3D and its weirdly misogynistic undertones is a mystery to me (also i loved your editing choices with the shotgun carousel :D)
Man these videos are perfect for falling asleep to. Who would've known a break down of a philosophically complicated mass murderer would be so relaxing?
I still suspect the "everyone could have survived" twist of 5. If Easton would have sacrificed himself at the breath game, they would both be released instead. If he let go of both at the noose, neither would drop. If he presses the button at the carousel repeatedly, the gun would be raised. And I can't figure out an explanation for the steam maze but maybe if he just accepted his fate the timer would stop? Idk someone make that end better lol
the one i can 100% see is the shotgun carousel, i don't see why he couldn't have just pressed the button every time. the rest, i feel like either william dies (and i guess everyone goes free) or everyone involved dies
@@giantclaw138 idk which wimpy kid movie it is (maybe 3?) but they recast roderick with someone else, and the internet did what they do and made his life hell. i think(?) he quit acting altogether as a result
My favourite scene from the entire saw franchise is when John gives a several minute long passionate monologue about the corruption in the American healthcare system, and ends it by looking at the aquarium tank in the office simply saying "Piranha" in the silliest way possible then having the biggest innocent smile on his face like a kid in a candy store and chuckling a bit while William says " *sigh*John". PEAK scene in a film, I don't know if anything will ever top it for me. Also I like the message of Saw VI too lol, the pacing and traps are fun. (EDIT): I could talk about Saw VI for hours, I don't have the tim right now sadly, but some quick extra things I love about this film. - John apologising to the mother and son from kidnapping them - Rodrick saying "You killed my dad you motherfucker!!!!!!!" - "YOU LOOK AT ME WHEN YOUR KILLING ME" (and that guys entire performance) - The gore is great - Best opening trap from the franchise imo - more that I can't think of at the moment but I'm sure will come to me later lol Great video as always!!!!!!!! 24.5 Piranhas out of 10 (don't ask what happened to the other half)
i loved that whole monologuing bit from john, so i just HAD to incorporate it into the script somehow. john might've kidnapped and irreversibly mentally damaged them, but at least he was nice about it. thank you for watching!! i think that half piranha went to alexandre aja's movie for a cameo :)
It means everything to me that you included John saying “Piranha”, an essential part of Saw 6. Found your channel because of these Saw videos, great work man!! The little graphics you put in the corner with your icon add a really nice touch
I thought that the scene where Hoffman murders the room after the voice-recording descramble to just be ridiculous, 3 murders and a fire starting and nothing coming from it is just absurd
@@omniscension8967 He was in Saw X, both in the mid-credits scene and he can be heard talking to John on the phone to get info on the scammers. Supposedly the next film will focus on Hoffman, so perhaps we’ll get our wish.
Easton being Slow-ass Jeff's "better" cousin, he's terrible but at least the victims in some of the traps actually make it out of this traps. I always feel bad during the Hoffman massacre scene... He's ruthless! Perez RIP you were the realest. I do love the inclusion of Tanedra Howard showing up here - Scream Queens was a one of kind realty TV show that was WAYYY ahead of it's time. If it made a comeback today i would love that especially for up in coming actors.
another great saw analysis! This one is tied with 2 for my favorite sequel Saw film. The shotgun carousel is a really good analogy for the health insurance system and I love how you described it. It really stands out for me - it's so visceral, and thematically well set up. The real issue with the bureaucracy of insurance in general is its distance and, frankly, disconnection from the reality of the people it affects. Systems that were set up in order to provide care for the human beings who need it have become increasingly corrupted over time to the point that the end goal has fully become making a profit. I've seen people call this movie on the nose and in your face but it's so refreshingly mask off to me. Jigsaw kills people, he's in the wrong, but at the same time, there's something so horribly enjoyable about seeing the "ideology" and "formula" of these systems utterly collapse the moment the people calling the shots HAVE to look the person they're killing in the eye.... Plus, "right now you're feeling helpless" is top five scenes of the whole franchise. You could write an essay on the buildup to and follow up of that scene alone & what it means to Hoffman's character. Great video!
thank you so much! and i absolutely agree, having this message be fully transparent is such a nice follow-up after a couple of the previous ones before it. and hoffmanator scene is so heartracingly amazing, it's so so good
I absolutely loved every second of this analysis. This one shot up my ranking of the franchise so much, it really is a great balance between traps and plot
Literally found your channel last night, watched all the saw videos even though I had morning shift, then got off work today and this is the first thing I see when I get home. Homie out here GRINDING. Keep up the great work man. Saw will always have a special place in my heart, and your videos have given me a window to a world where I can find plenty of like minded people who also have a similar feeling about the movies. 6 is probably my favorite for group traps. 1 will always be my favorite ending to any movie. Always loved John's question to the insurer; "Do you think it's the living that will judge the dead?" (Paraphrased cause I forget the actual quote)
i appreciate you watching all the vids! hopefully you made it through the shift alright lmao. i agree, everyone that's been joining in on the conversations has been absolutely amazing, finding a bunch of people united by this franchise :)
I definitely think there is no way the choice of naming the insurance company "umbrella health" was unintentional. 2 options of the reasoning. A) the more likely option that it's meant to be a negative mirror to the company's actions. They're an umbrella of care and health on the outside, but underneath the umbrella they are helping none. B) the unlikely but still fitting option, its a reference to resident evil, where umbrella corp is the bio-weapon making company that masks as a pharmaceutical company. This in an of itself is an example of choice a) for different reasons.
Dude I watched this only recently and I was like 😔 🙏 please lord resident evil saw movie. Especially with the later 7 being in a house is really neat and cool setting mixing those together would be really cool.
i just re-watched this two days ago. the only thing that didnt make sense to me was when the mother and son were in the cage and he asked "why are we here?" and she replied "we're here because of your father", implying that the CEO was the father and husband. but this turned out to be the inverse, so if they were the son and wife of a man who died because of the health insurance company, how would she know why they were there? the man obviously did nothing wrong, and it's not implied they were accomplices on anything, so why would she make that assumption? it doesn't make sense
They’re watching the CEO of the company that killed their family member go through a saw game. She assumed (correctly) that was the reason they were a part of it - in the saw universe Jigsaw was ‘popular’ enough that the group in Saw 5 correctly deduced they were in a Jigsaw game as soon as they woke up
It’s actually great writing. The film plays on the fact that you, the audience, haven’t met her and her son as one of the victim’s families. You (incorrectly) assume the one playing the game is her Husband, and only find out later that what ties them together is he is her husband’s killer, which she knew.
@@ripdalt kramer was in since the installments of Saw 2 already known as "the jigsaw murder" - as he even addressed to detective Matthews "My name is not Jigsaw, it's what they (the press) keep calling me" Which implies that the public already knew by then not only about his "existence", but also already gained partially a following cult, as well as people generally knowing him. Seeing the insurance guy who denied the husbands/fathers healthcare, and as such, leading to his death, kinda makes it easy - being in the wife's/son's position - to connect the rest of dots, seemingly tainting them into a lustful for revenge light. The line "We're here because of your father" correctly describes the mothers knowledge of Kramer's methods and gives a hint of her assumptions of Kramer's values (tho, in a rather broader sense as in Saw 5) I still can't blame for "falling" into the red hering of thinking, that the CEO was the husband/father - that is actually peak writing IMHO of luring the viewer into beliefs and assumptions that turn out to be wrong in the aftermath, and kinda seems to be low-key like a small call-out on ourselves (the viewers) as well of blindly assuming things and taking things at too much of face value (considering many movie theory channels and "how to beat X" series also errupted around the time)
big fan of your saw analysis series so far. youve been able to put into words just why i love this franchise so much, and your videos have a good way of recapping earlier info that is recontextualized later. looking forward to the rest of the movies analysis- especially jigsaw !!
I still find it wild that just earlier this year you were doing Scooby Doo content then just out of nowhere (from my end) started doing saw content. Wild but fun
I had the opposite. 😂 I saw the spooky movie stuff and then found the scooby. I’m a lot more familiar with scooby doo but trying to learn about horror movies 😅 so it was a nice suprise
Saw 6 is my favorite lore related film. It connects 1 and 2 soooo much. I looove it. Even if Hoffman ridiculously took out like 7 people on his own, I love Jill getting him at the end with the reverse bear trap. It was just a fun run. The gore was great too!
i feel like it's the perfect blend of fitting in gaps of info between the movies, kind of like how saw x does, which is fun because 6 and x themselves are connected too
In the recording room scene they keep replaying "right now youre feeling helpless" and i think that was put there intentionally from the producers because right now hoffman is feeling helpless planning what will he do and what will he do next cuz he knows that hes about to be expose to the murderer that he is.
I'd really like to know if John instructed Jill to kill Hoffman or to test him, because she wasn't giving him a chance to survive the reverse bear trap. Let's not dig in too deep on the chances of any woman carrying out such a plan because her ex asked her to in his will.
YES!!!!! finally my favorite one, and such a great video for it too! so glad to see it getting the same amount of love! editing continues to get more and more top notch each time, the carousel graphic was AWESOME!
what i remember best from saw 6's release is that in france, its pronounced as "saw sis" which sound exactly like saucisse, meaning sausage, and everyone was talking about the sausage movie when refering to saw 6 haha your videos about the saw franchise are amazing ! we really feel the love you have of the franchise, as well as for horror as a genre! keep up the amazing work, and onto the next video i go!
that's actually super funny lmao, also i'm surprised a jigsaw victim hasn't ended up in a sausage machine yet. and thank you very much! i do really love this series, and finding a bunch of people who share that love has been very nice :)
Saw 6 was the first Saw movie I ever watched it's what made me love the series. The shotgun carousel is iconic imo, regardless of how simple it is compared to some of the other more elaborate traps. Definitely a favourite.
The title is pretty to similar to the video on Saw VI by the channel "TheOleRazzleDazzle". I'm glad this entry in the series gets the kudos it deserves.
YEAA!! THIS REALLY IS THE BEST SAW MOVIE!! I just think the double whammy of the shotgun carousel right next to the "right now you're feeling helpless" scene is just so perfect. and I really love how its hoffman's own words calling him helpless in some way... I really am sad about perez cause she's my favourite... i wish she would have been the foil in 3d than what we got with gibson and jill really is the best in this film for real! It sucks that strahm died never knowing perez was still alive, and perez died not knowing how strahm actually died...
strahm and perez's dynamic was so fun. he clearly thought he was better, but when she got hurt, he showed he truly cared for her, as a partner. i hate that she died, but she went out in absolute style
love this analysis! i think my only real complaint is the retcon(? reveal?) that hoffman blackmailed amanda is murdering lyn, because personally i think her breakdown and snapping at john was far more compelling as an authentic breaking point after being Put Through All That & Then Being Replaced. the audio mixing scene though was so tense OUGH i think it a sign of a good movie if the crime thriller can be equally as thrilling as people having their insides melted by acid. great video!!!
thank you! i definitely agree, amanda finally taking her life back was a great way to end her story. making it so that she's still controlled by a man is a real downer. but i'm willing to pin that on the writers trying to add more onto the story where it doesn't need to be (i mean, these guys aren't leigh whannell or anything). and every time i watch the audio tech scene my heart starts racing, it rules so so much
I see you reply to lots of your comments, and I really admire that. So I’m gonna share an opinion, and you can share your thoughts if you want (no pressure, and of course anyone here can add to it or disagree). I think the biggest mistake they made in this movie was killing off William. I would say he would’ve made a better accomplice than the one in Jigsaw was, mostly because he actually learned what he was supposed to learn from the game that he was put through. I mean, I know they need to show the payoff to that trap they’ve literally had in front of our noses the entire time, and that of course he wasn’t going to make it, since they make these just to kill characters, but still. Let me on the directing team or somethin lol
i figure yall take a second of your day to leave the comment, the least i can do is repay the favor! my only thing with that is i don't see him taking on the role of jigsaw. he was clearly shaken up by the deaths (i know he liked them to an extent, but still) that i can't really see him in the same role of someone like logan. but who knows, william's a bit of an oddball to start anyways
new sub cause ive been saying this shit for YEARS. SAW VI was the best one hands down. to the traps and the meaning of the movie overall about the healthcare crisis is insane.
Wow… this was pretty much everything that needed to be said on Saw 6. I will add one more thing… Regarding the traps being “unfair” in this one… I always saw it not because Hoffman set them up (clearly John designed these prior to his death, as he clearly prerecorded the videos of himself that William sees in the tests), but that it was match just how unfair William’s policies actually are. This is culminated with the Carousel Trap’s “2/3 are going to die” setup, then thrown back in William’s face with the family of the guy he sentenced to death. Anyway, yeah Saw 6 is a legendary entry in the series. There’s quite a few reasons for this… First off, this one is Hoffman at his finest. You get to see him pull off the rare feat of beating an “unwinnable” trap, and he does it in glorious fashion, being a total badass in the process. He also is shown to enjoy brutality multiple times, as we not only see it with John’s line of “Do you like how brutality feels, Mark?” after he throws Timothy’s unconscious body around, but also with him listening in on the opening trap and how much he seems to enjoy killing off Perez and Erickson, he cruelly smiles at the latter before dumping gasoline all over him. I also love his banter with Amanda, the “You sure about that?” being great foreshadowing of him rigging Amanda’s game. We also see even more so than in Saw 5 that Hoffman is quite the clever strategist in both long term and short term, as he is shown only only able to get the better of others in the long term (such as Amanda and Strahm), but this film in particular reveals he can also come up with a new plan on the spot as well, demonstrated by how he reacts to unscrambling the tape and when Jill tries to kill him. Second… the political messaging. Oh my. This had the potential to go bad quickly… and yet it worked. What worked was they didn’t just have it in your face, they also implemented it well in the traps, while also having something to say about real life. I also love that it’s the one film in the series (besides Spiral) to actually go there and say something about the real world. But of course, knowing the truth about health insurance company practices and seeing what a scumbag William is just makes it satisfying to see him get his comeuppance. Having the traps use his own policy against him was brilliant writing. Third was… the traps. There were some brutal ones, but they had meaning thanks to the messages about corruption and greed, including the opening trap, which is not only one of the most brutal traps in the series, but is probably my favorite opening trap, as it sets the mood perfectly for the kind of film you’re watching. And of course… the way they tied up the timeline rather neatly for what they had was great as well, especially revealing the rivalry between Amanda & Hoffman, which I hope they elaborate more on in the future. Had this been the final film, I would have been content with it. While Saw 5 is my favorite in personal preference, I do agree in calling Saw 6 objectively the best film and for me it gets close second in my ranking. Awesome video.
that's a good point actually, definitely reflects william's ways. as for the rest of it, absolutely. this one is just so damn good throughout. hoffman is insane in the best ways, the themes are great, and it has one of the most iconic traps in the whole franchise. what more could you possibly ask for? and, thank you for watching! :)
The amount of work I had to do to simply watch this video is insane lol. Yt decided, after my long marathon of gore related media, that this is the one that needs me to send them my ID. I tried 5 times or so until it finally detected what it said. Anyway great video.
Some of my issues with saw 6 are that first half is somewhat of a chore to get through, the breathing room trap feels cruel like the Brazin bull, the steam room trap when she has to get that gun trap off of her feels a bit over kill and William should have been able to live at the end, John wouldn’t even have done that, but other than that it’s a almost perfect movie
i can see where you're coming from with those critiques. i do think, technically, william could've survived, but rodrick doomed him to become melty on the inside
A while back I commented that I hadn’t seen the Saw franchise. Because of your videos I am now 6 movies in. They really are brilliant. Thank you for showing me how great they are. My brother is a fan of the movies & has seen them so he is rewatching them w me and we have a great time watching them. Thank you for making these videos. I’ll message again when I finish them all.
@@ripdalt you’re great, and you’re right, Saw 6 is glorious. It would be cool to see you do a video on a deeper thought analysis of Saw as a franchise in respect to themes, society and cultural impacts. Honestly I hope you’re proud of your videos, dalt.
If you haven't already, I would really recommend watching Health Justice and SAW by Qualia Redux. Probably my favourite SAW-related video essay ever. Been loving your analysis too, there's so many layers to this one, and I can't wait for your next video :) also, happy pride month!
i remember being really into the saw movies when i was a kids but as an adult I don't remember a single thing that happens in them except the shotgun carousel, that one's been stuck in my mind the whole time its just too good
I love how you mention at 25.13, its exactly my point too, i somewhat dont like hoffman as every trap he does "innocents" need to die, but in saw 6 its done amazingly well! IT fits the insurance theme well and hoffmans character. I have one question though. At the point William arrives at his "End game" the movie is edited so it "seems" like hoffmans trap activates as soon as the kid turns the lever to die, I always assumed it had to do with if Hoffman "learned".. Like make a survivable game like john wanted, like his philosophy. But he didnt.. It links hoffman as the 6th person to the other 5 of this game if that makes sense?.. (Basically imo, he was supposed to die here as he failed in continuing the legacy). This is one trap that seemed to really have worked on the main character, i felt sad William died :-)
@@ripdalt The idea probably all get undone and forgotten as we go forward lmao, but yea this is also a thing that makes saw 6 one of the best to me its similar to X for me tbh, in the keeping the story kinda "close" and not "all over the place". Things tracking back and viewable from different ways.
When I was 15 I somehow managed to convince my dad to take me to see this in theatres. The merry go round scene legit gave me cold shivers and I felt traumatized for days after. Good times 😂 Thanks for continuing the series dalt. Much love 👍🏿
man, i wish i got to experience the first saw movies in theaters, that would've been insane. thank you for showing love on the vids, i appreciate it :)
Omg I could not 😂 at 16 I was like HELLA scared of the old exorcist I’m such a baby I fully was like covering my eyes even now 🫣 it makes watching spooky movies fun tho! The evil dead remake and the conjurings had came out and I was working at the theatres at the time and I had to run past them to go clock in I was such a wuss 😂 I fell down the stairs like SOOOO many times lol
was it hoffman designing the traps? or was it always john(jigsaw)? It seemed like all the kidnappings were happening simultaneously from the 1st movie to the 5th, like everything was set up by john way before he knew he was going to die. but we do know hoffman's motivation, john still holds sway over hoffman because if he fails to do the rest of the games hoffman would get revealed as seth's killer and jigsaw's accomplice. We know this from the tape john swallowed on his death bed.
i think john designed the majority, if not all, of the traps, but hoffman still had a lot of work to do, especially as the sole jigsaw at this point. if he did the designing as well, he did a good job of it!
6 down, 4 to go... Up next is the one where they forgot what color blood is supposed to be... And the one with Chester Bennington from Linkin Park... Ya know what? Given how strategic and well-informed John is... I wonder if he already knew that Amanda was with Cecil the night Gideon was killed. I mean, its never stated that he DIDN'T know, and given all the punishment he put Amanda through over the first 2 movies, I wonder if either he already knew and that was why he chose her in the first place... Expecting her to fail her test like Cecil did, but when she survived, he decided to see if she'd tell him the truth herself or not. And instead of telling her that he knew about her and Cecil, he instead told her that he chose her because she was an addict that Jill gave up on. Like I wanna see a deleted scene or a flashback that shows him finding out about her and Cecil and deciding to keep that to himself. (Maybe telling Jill at some point, but otherwise keeping it a secret)
based on what we've seen from john and his intelligence, i'd find it SUPER hard to believe he wouldn't have known about amanda and cecil. he knows literally everything about everyone. but i think after her first test, he grew a respect for her that turned into a platonic love for her
6:25 That's how it is in America sadly. It's called "pre-existing injury". Say if you have no insurance, and you break your toe, and you go to the doctor and they tell you that you need insurance, you go and get insurance, and go back In seek of care now that you're insured, and they deny you because you didn't have the insurance when it happened.
@@ripdalt yeah I tore my patella tendon, and did that whole runaround, whole time I lost my job, I couldn't walk for about 6 months, and i couldn't get the surgery I actually needed. Was a tough few years, but I'm back at it, everything's all good. Luckily my tendon wasn't completely torn so it healed itself (sortve) But yeah garbage system. We send trillions of dollars to random countries I don't even know the name of, but they won't even help their dying people here with health care. But instead "let's drop a bomb here and go in and see if we can find any survivors! And and then lets send shimihnnagola 60 billion dollars!"
Recently rewatched every saw movie and watching as many reviews/analysis as possible Theres honestly not as many videos that analyze it as i expected. Yours are some of the better ones! Please keep doing these, theyre great :) Edit: itd also be fun to do a video with theories of what the future films might do Spoiler for Saw X: I feel like the jigsaw fangirl might be put through either a trap or a trial in order to recruit her. And that the woman that survives Saw X might go after acolytes for revenge and her money
i haven't really watched many saw analysis vids (really only the kill counts, if those count), but i'm glad to be among the best ones :) i would love to see eleanor back, and i 100% expect cecilia to return in some capacity, there's no way they left it open ended for no reason
Just watched all of these up to this video and you explanations of the series are fantastic, I've not watched pass VI so looking forward to seeing how the series pans out too, thank you!
I always thought the decision to have jigsaw go after the healthcare industry was kind of a deviation from his modus operandi in the previous films. His previous victims were all either people who had failed to live up to his idea of a model citizen (drug adicts, adulterers, etc) or people who were trying to stop him making his traps. My reading of him was that he was a twisted version of a neoliberal welfare state. Instead of just helping people who were going through hardship he gave them a bunch of humiliating obstacles in the name of character building, which is similar to how you cant buy hot food with food stamps or how homeless camps get removed by cops in the name of safety. Jon getting mad at a healthcare exec for not being understanding and compassionate to sick people is at odds with putting a guy in a maze of razor wire cos he was self harming. In that way its fitting that Jon is on the tapes instead of the billy puppet, cos this is a personal revenge plot rather than another exercise in punishing the people at the bottom of soceity for not adapting to soceity well enough.
i think his neoliberal acts are a facade for a more conservative person, or moreso a centrist. john picks and chooses which sides to be on, which is all well and fine, but he often contradicts himself and his own message. now, is that poor writing and character building from new writing teams? yeah probably.
@@ripdalt prior to saw vi I think Jon has always picked the side of "failuring to meet societies demands is a moral failure" tho. And he seems to only take issue with anything in soceity when he talks about the police being hypocrits for trying to stop him doing what they do (correct bad behavior with violence) but in a more effective way (at least according to him). (Personally I would argue that neoliberal, conservative and centrist are functionally synonyms, but that debate can be saved for another day)
@@daveclarke1990 i think that's a fair assessment of john's objective. i think he suffers from his ego, always believing himself to be the pillar of morality in his twisted world, which certainly effects how he goes about things
@@ripdalt for what it's worth I don't hate saw iv, it's fun to see evil healthcare executives get what's coming to them. I would also probably enjoy a film where Jason Voorheaz took a break from killing horny teens and took on insurance execs, but it would still be a departure
Saw 6 is 15 years old! It's cool since the actress in the opening scene actually won a fan contest to be in the movie Sadly this was the lowest grossing of the franchise next to Spiral the deathtraps are pretty clever this time around and the twists in the story are actually better than I thought there's a better motivation to the plot too we have a better protagonist I think than from SAW 3 the fans and gorehounds will appreciate this so much and it has a plot that dares to tackle the healthcare system being very political It actually feels quite timely given this was during Barack Obama’s term setting up healthcare reform and the housing crash of 2008 with the victims here consisting of predatory lenders and insurance agents corporate profits as well as American capitalism Plus this also takes advantage of the moral premise as well as the themes and motifs of working as a collective rather than prioritizing individual security Heck it could even tie to a classic Vincent Price movie Abominable Dr. Phibes involving medical vengeance being a precedent for Saw itself including Shakespeare It’s not the doctors or the patients that make the money it’s more the insurance companies, certain parts of the world doctors don’t have to charge their sick patients, we think it’s the living that have ultimate judgement over us but it might be the dead, maybe the most important thing of the human equation is the will to live, is it up to people to determine whether or not we live or die based on flaws found in policies?, addiction is never simple, once you’ve seen death upclose then you know what the value of life is, helping the citizens should be more than helping the institutions This is a return to form for the filmmakers and a logical avenue for the character of John Kramer’s mythos while also being the most personal vendetta speaking to the core of his entire mission Tobin Bell gives such a stellar performance as usual especially his monologue in the middle There’s many fans who don’t really enjoy Costas Mandylor as the new apprentice but here they manage to make him a formidable force being more lethal given he’s an officer of the law using that to his advantage Some might accuse this film being so woke and being a complicated soap opera in a film series plagued by diminishing returns but it remains a high point regardless remaining so relevant understanding the rhetoric of personal individualism and personal responsibility with the real horror lying in the systems pitting people against each other One of the franchise’s best installments!
Amazing breakdown of the movie, you did an excellent job of showing how its themes are more intricate beyond the surface. Your ending words are nicely poignant, definitely a sentiment that would make the world a better place if more people lived by.
I'm also glad that when it comes to Saw X and the story it, it makes me happy that Saw 6 is not "Outcast" anymore of when it comes to the story, mostly to the mental heath side plot
I thought this movie was really bad because people said it wasn't good and I watched it last in the series, man I regret listening to those people. Btw good vid
it did so poorly at the box office (maybe by word of mouth?) but i've never been one to judge a film based on that. i think it's really good, and i'm glad so many others think so too :)
After the wackassery of Saw 4 and 5, i was pleasantly surprised by this one, it's honestly probably my third favourite, just behind the first and second movies.
Dude the I only watched this series this year after seeing James WAN’s Film Malignant. I’ve been a chemo nurse since I was 19 so like 10 years and man while I will say the film is very ‘grim dark’ unfortunately the insurance and oncology treatment is relying heavily on insurance. My husband is also a pharmacist and we discuss at length how much money in America severely affects outcomes. I don’t think people have the full understanding that your insurance actually practices medicine. If John was a patient he would undergo a process of diagnosis which requires staging which requires biopsies, pathology and imaging to see essentially what type, where it originated and how advanced his cancer is. This requires his insurance to approve it. Once it’s done there are approved treatments physicians know work, these….have to be approved by insurance. I mean they don’t technically but depending on the treatment (given his rough diagnosis given) he likely needs immunotherapy which is HELLA expensive. Sometimes costing hundreds of thousands PER infusion. So it’s your life or treatment you can’t afford. Sometimes the drug company pays for it…for the continued lobbied tax cuts and funding from the government or gives them discounts to their insurance…which also gets grants from the government… you know? To pay for the treatment of citizens. One of trump administrators tried to eliminate a bill allowing Medicare/medicaid covering these in 2020/2021. Which would have fucked a TON of people not only with cancer but autoimmune disease and are disabled by it like junior rheumatoid arthritis and etc. So unfortunately…these movies weren’t too far off with the insurance being the villain on this one. In fact when the insurance company denied a drug because it’s expensive they approve another that’s more dangerous they will require they fail it first which means their disease has progressed. In John’s case it means he likely had irressible damage. I’ve unfortunately seen this code people their lives before they turn 30. To challenge it we do something called an appeal. Which means we challenge their denial saying it’s required they approve what we initially sent. They will try and deny it again and often have it reviewed by their own physician who…doesn’t specialize in our specialty. The amount of times I’ve had an oral chemotherapy denied for off label studied use by a gynecologist or cardiologist 😅. This happens even at your local pharmacy with prior authorizations which is literally the insurance company saying “did you mean to prescribe this? Prove it” and forcing the office to use older tech in order to hopefully delay and prevent prescription pickup/coverage because IT WORKS. It has been proven to be a barrier to patient care in one way or the other and prevented their ability to get the medication and lower the insurances costs. The fact you don’t receive raises is for your ‘benefits’. Your insurance is tied to your income level and a large part of how your salary and wages are calculated even though it is pretty much required by most states at a certain level of employees to ensure that people are less likely to seek more competitive offers. The amount of times my husband and I actively hate the system we work for and cry for the patients we serve is frequent. Seeing patients unable to get medications they need or forced to endure things needlessly because of our system and we’re helpless to assist which was the whole reason any of us got into the field. It’s why a lot of us leave or grow cold. Healthcare should not be a ‘game’ we have to play. And getting your heart medications or a respiratory infection shouldn’t be a reverse bear trap to get treated 😅. I like they kind of address that. I do wish they would have addressed more of that but I know the grim dark time isn’t like able to see those sides.
i LOVED malignant, it was so fun! also check out some of wan and whannell's other collabs if you haven't! also, thank you for the peak behind the curtain into the healthcare aspect of it all, that's a tough read that seemed to gutpunch me every other line. it's so sad that this is what it's come to, just to survive a (largely) random disease
I always assumed that Pamela and William were originally meant to be dating or married but somewhere along the way it was changed to make them siblings and they simply forgot to edit out the "babe" part. Unless they're implying they have an incestuous relationship?
Saw 6 is my favourite but…. I was sad they killed off William Easton… he had learned his lesson… he understood the lesson and was ready to change… but he died anyway… sad… the one victim who truly deserved to live…
There's so much Saw retrospective videos to come out this year. But I like the editing and narration with this channel the most. Is there resurgence of interest in the Saw movies?
My favorite fun fact about this movie is that the actress that played one of the predatory lenders competed in a reality tv show for her role in saw 6.
Scream queens!
we LOVE tanedra howard!!!
@@ripdalt she's truly an amazing actress
Wasn't the winner of the show promised an important role in the upcoming movie but ended up being an episodic role at the start of the movie
Tbh the more i have to deal with insurance companies in my life, the more im starting to think-- nope, cant say that on youtube.
Pull out the (rhymes with) limousines!
you didn't even have to say it, i KNOW
Bro fr they ARE the real villains. Trust my husband and I have like a board and it’s like who is the worse ins company today and who did they fuck over? A cancer patient or a literal infant?
@@AcidicGumdrops I mean, it is carthartic to watch that kind of scumbag get their comeuppance. I don’t blame anyone who enjoys that aspect of Saw 6.
Starting to think this guy likes Saw.
We are watching the 6th installment where he talks about Saw, around 4 I think it became obvious, not to be mean
i mean... it's aight i guess (hehehe)
@@JohnnyCarver2024OCHe was obviously being sarcastic.
@erinclarke2606 I know, I was also joking 🙄
@JohnnyCarver2024OC Oh oops. Sorry, I'm a dumbass. Lol.
The transition between explaining the background to the opening trap was flawless
thank you :) when writing the script it just flowed so perfectly
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saw 6 mentioned!!! this one was a lot of fun to make, i hope y'all like it :) especially because after this... we get into some real slop (but in 3d!)
I love saw 3d, it’s so campy and over the top and funny
This was the slop tho
@@DexDexter0 me when i lie:
@@ripdalt lol you caught me! Saw 6 was pretty all right, much better than the following three, but it suffers from it's plot points being nearly indistinguishable from that of S5. I have to remind myself "it's the one where Roderick makes a guy OD on krokodil"
DUDE watched all your saw videos yesterday and was sad there wasnt one for six IM SO HAPPY RN
hell yeah, that's great timing! i'm glad you enjoy them!! :)
saw 6 is one of my favourites and it always makes me wish we got more of amanda and hoffman together because their dynamic is so interesting (wich is exactly my hope for saw xi)
imo this movie has the best traps, especially the shotgun carousel and hoffman fighting for his life in the beartrap is just so fantastic
how they followed this masterpiece with saw 3D and its weirdly misogynistic undertones is a mystery to me
(also i loved your editing choices with the shotgun carousel :D)
3d is such a mess, but i think that even helps 6 in a way, because wow, it's bad. also thank you :)
Man these videos are perfect for falling asleep to. Who would've known a break down of a philosophically complicated mass murderer would be so relaxing?
true crime community:
also, thank you for watching! :)
I still suspect the "everyone could have survived" twist of 5. If Easton would have sacrificed himself at the breath game, they would both be released instead. If he let go of both at the noose, neither would drop. If he presses the button at the carousel repeatedly, the gun would be raised. And I can't figure out an explanation for the steam maze but maybe if he just accepted his fate the timer would stop? Idk someone make that end better lol
the one i can 100% see is the shotgun carousel, i don't see why he couldn't have just pressed the button every time. the rest, i feel like either william dies (and i guess everyone goes free) or everyone involved dies
I mean, when you've got Rogerick in your film, it's gotta be the best
and the good roderick too! (but i feel bad for the other one)
@@ripdalt what other one?
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@@giantclaw138 idk which wimpy kid movie it is (maybe 3?) but they recast roderick with someone else, and the internet did what they do and made his life hell. i think(?) he quit acting altogether as a result
My favourite scene from the entire saw franchise is when John gives a several minute long passionate monologue about the corruption in the American healthcare system, and ends it by looking at the aquarium tank in the office simply saying "Piranha" in the silliest way possible then having the biggest innocent smile on his face like a kid in a candy store and chuckling a bit while William says " *sigh*John". PEAK scene in a film, I don't know if anything will ever top it for me.
Also I like the message of Saw VI too lol, the pacing and traps are fun.
(EDIT): I could talk about Saw VI for hours, I don't have the tim right now sadly, but some quick extra things I love about this film.
- John apologising to the mother and son from kidnapping them
- Rodrick saying "You killed my dad you motherfucker!!!!!!!"
- "YOU LOOK AT ME WHEN YOUR KILLING ME" (and that guys entire performance)
- The gore is great
- Best opening trap from the franchise imo
- more that I can't think of at the moment but I'm sure will come to me later lol
Great video as always!!!!!!!! 24.5 Piranhas out of 10 (don't ask what happened to the other half)
i loved that whole monologuing bit from john, so i just HAD to incorporate it into the script somehow. john might've kidnapped and irreversibly mentally damaged them, but at least he was nice about it. thank you for watching!! i think that half piranha went to alexandre aja's movie for a cameo :)
It means everything to me that you included John saying “Piranha”, an essential part of Saw 6.
Found your channel because of these Saw videos, great work man!! The little graphics you put in the corner with your icon add a really nice touch
if i was adding anything, it was 100% piranha. that's the best line of dialogue in the franchise
It’s so good dude I only watched it recently and I kept saying it for days 😂
Immediately this is the best thumbnail so far!
thank you! i was pretty happy with how it came out :)
Idk why, but "agony-laced relief" is a really evocative phrase, nice writting.
thank you! :)
I thought that the scene where Hoffman murders the room after the voice-recording descramble to just be ridiculous, 3 murders and a fire starting and nothing coming from it is just absurd
perhaps, but what is the saw franchise if not beautifully absurd?
@@ripdalt touché! love the content !
It’s genuinely insane how fast these really high quality videos come out. The scripts for these videos go so hard.
thank you so so much :) i love writing the scripts and making these videos, and comments like this make all the work worth it
I'm still holding out hope we'll somehow see Hoffman again one day. Loved his character so much. Peak will to survive.
depending on what they do with 11, i wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility :o
@@omniscension8967 He was in Saw X, both in the mid-credits scene and he can be heard talking to John on the phone to get info on the scammers.
Supposedly the next film will focus on Hoffman, so perhaps we’ll get our wish.
Hoffman escaping his trap has to be the smartest thing since Strahm escaping the drowning box trap.
oh absolutely, the creativity and survival instinct from them was top tier
My favorite trap is in this movie, that being the shotgun carousel.
Yeah, alotta people really like this one.
@@Redd7206 the design is so cool and creative
i love it so so much, it's simple and brutal, but it hits so hard every time
@@ripdalt it’s just a perfect design, and that line when he says WHEN YOUR KILLING ME YOU LOOK AT ME. Just perfect, the goofiness I love
Its the only one where i kinda cried for them
Easton being Slow-ass Jeff's "better" cousin, he's terrible but at least the victims in some of the traps actually make it out of this traps. I always feel bad during the Hoffman massacre scene... He's ruthless! Perez RIP you were the realest.
I do love the inclusion of Tanedra Howard showing up here - Scream Queens was a one of kind realty TV show that was WAYYY ahead of it's time. If it made a comeback today i would love that especially for up in coming actors.
i thought the scream queens with emma roberts was gonna be that, but i was super disappointed
another great saw analysis! This one is tied with 2 for my favorite sequel Saw film. The shotgun carousel is a really good analogy for the health insurance system and I love how you described it. It really stands out for me - it's so visceral, and thematically well set up. The real issue with the bureaucracy of insurance in general is its distance and, frankly, disconnection from the reality of the people it affects. Systems that were set up in order to provide care for the human beings who need it have become increasingly corrupted over time to the point that the end goal has fully become making a profit. I've seen people call this movie on the nose and in your face but it's so refreshingly mask off to me. Jigsaw kills people, he's in the wrong, but at the same time, there's something so horribly enjoyable about seeing the "ideology" and "formula" of these systems utterly collapse the moment the people calling the shots HAVE to look the person they're killing in the eye.... Plus, "right now you're feeling helpless" is top five scenes of the whole franchise. You could write an essay on the buildup to and follow up of that scene alone & what it means to Hoffman's character. Great video!
thank you so much! and i absolutely agree, having this message be fully transparent is such a nice follow-up after a couple of the previous ones before it. and hoffmanator scene is so heartracingly amazing, it's so so good
I absolutely loved every second of this analysis. This one shot up my ranking of the franchise so much, it really is a great balance between traps and plot
that makes me so happy, i love this one so much, so giving you a positive light for it is awesome :)
Literally found your channel last night, watched all the saw videos even though I had morning shift, then got off work today and this is the first thing I see when I get home. Homie out here GRINDING. Keep up the great work man. Saw will always have a special place in my heart, and your videos have given me a window to a world where I can find plenty of like minded people who also have a similar feeling about the movies. 6 is probably my favorite for group traps. 1 will always be my favorite ending to any movie. Always loved John's question to the insurer; "Do you think it's the living that will judge the dead?" (Paraphrased cause I forget the actual quote)
i appreciate you watching all the vids! hopefully you made it through the shift alright lmao. i agree, everyone that's been joining in on the conversations has been absolutely amazing, finding a bunch of people united by this franchise :)
I definitely think there is no way the choice of naming the insurance company "umbrella health" was unintentional. 2 options of the reasoning.
A) the more likely option that it's meant to be a negative mirror to the company's actions. They're an umbrella of care and health on the outside, but underneath the umbrella they are helping none.
B) the unlikely but still fitting option, its a reference to resident evil, where umbrella corp is the bio-weapon making company that masks as a pharmaceutical company. This in an of itself is an example of choice a) for different reasons.
oooh good thoughts! i'd be more inclined to lean towards the first one, even though a saw and resident evil crossover would be a literal dream
Dude I watched this only recently and I was like 😔 🙏 please lord resident evil saw movie. Especially with the later 7 being in a house is really neat and cool setting mixing those together would be really cool.
i just re-watched this two days ago. the only thing that didnt make sense to me was when the mother and son were in the cage and he asked "why are we here?" and she replied "we're here because of your father", implying that the CEO was the father and husband. but this turned out to be the inverse, so if they were the son and wife of a man who died because of the health insurance company, how would she know why they were there? the man obviously did nothing wrong, and it's not implied they were accomplices on anything, so why would she make that assumption? it doesn't make sense
its called bad writing lol. while dalt. is doing their best to steel man this series...they are pretty bad movies overall, fun to watch tho!
yeah that part is a bit odd, unless the husband got into some trouble before dying. or she somehow knew john, or in this case, hoffman would aid them
They’re watching the CEO of the company that killed their family member go through a saw game. She assumed (correctly) that was the reason they were a part of it - in the saw universe Jigsaw was ‘popular’ enough that the group in Saw 5 correctly deduced they were in a Jigsaw game as soon as they woke up
It’s actually great writing. The film plays on the fact that you, the audience, haven’t met her and her son as one of the victim’s families. You (incorrectly) assume the one playing the game is her Husband, and only find out later that what ties them together is he is her husband’s killer, which she knew.
@@ripdalt kramer was in since the installments of Saw 2 already known as "the jigsaw murder" - as he even addressed to detective Matthews "My name is not Jigsaw, it's what they (the press) keep calling me"
Which implies that the public already knew by then not only about his "existence", but also already gained partially a following cult, as well as people generally knowing him. Seeing the insurance guy who denied the husbands/fathers healthcare, and as such, leading to his death, kinda makes it easy - being in the wife's/son's position - to connect the rest of dots, seemingly tainting them into a lustful for revenge light.
The line "We're here because of your father" correctly describes the mothers knowledge of Kramer's methods and gives a hint of her assumptions of Kramer's values (tho, in a rather broader sense as in Saw 5)
I still can't blame for "falling" into the red hering of thinking, that the CEO was the husband/father - that is actually peak writing IMHO of luring the viewer into beliefs and assumptions that turn out to be wrong in the aftermath, and kinda seems to be low-key like a small call-out on ourselves (the viewers) as well of blindly assuming things and taking things at too much of face value (considering many movie theory channels and "how to beat X" series also errupted around the time)
big fan of your saw analysis series so far. youve been able to put into words just why i love this franchise so much, and your videos have a good way of recapping earlier info that is recontextualized later. looking forward to the rest of the movies analysis- especially jigsaw !!
thank you so much! i'm glad you enjoy them :)
I still find it wild that just earlier this year you were doing Scooby Doo content then just out of nowhere (from my end) started doing saw content. Wild but fun
what's even more wild is that the scooby-doo vids are coming back soon :)
@@ripdalt Wait really? That really is wild lol. Well whatever the content, I enjoy it
I had the opposite. 😂 I saw the spooky movie stuff and then found the scooby. I’m a lot more familiar with scooby doo but trying to learn about horror movies 😅 so it was a nice suprise
@@ripdaltfreaking dope
Saw 6 is my favorite lore related film. It connects 1 and 2 soooo much. I looove it. Even if Hoffman ridiculously took out like 7 people on his own, I love Jill getting him at the end with the reverse bear trap. It was just a fun run. The gore was great too!
i feel like it's the perfect blend of fitting in gaps of info between the movies, kind of like how saw x does, which is fun because 6 and x themselves are connected too
MORE DALT! MORE DALT! the crowd cheers in unison
and so it shall be :) thank you for watching!
In the recording room scene they keep replaying "right now youre feeling helpless" and i think that was put there intentionally from the producers because right now hoffman is feeling helpless planning what will he do and what will he do next cuz he knows that hes about to be expose to the murderer that he is.
yes! it's such a brilliant scene, i love it
@@Alastor19876 Symbolism at its finest.
@@darthmeticulous6901 lol true saws symbolisms are some of the best
I've been marathoning your saw videos! Great video!
i appreciate that, thank you!
Since you mentioned it in this video, I’d love to see your take on the Paranormal Activity series after your Saw analysis videos are completed 😊
y'know i'm not anywhere near as obsessed with that series as saw, but i might be able to throw some scripts together eventually :)
@@ripdalt Really looking forward to it!! :)
This was yet another fantastic video Dalt! Thank you for continuing the series, I can't wait to see what you've got cooking for Saw 3D!
saw 3d is cooking some premium brainrot, it's awesome lmao
I'd really like to know if John instructed Jill to kill Hoffman or to test him, because she wasn't giving him a chance to survive the reverse bear trap. Let's not dig in too deep on the chances of any woman carrying out such a plan because her ex asked her to in his will.
i think, canonically, jill can do literally anything she wants because she's so slay
YES!!!!! finally my favorite one, and such a great video for it too! so glad to see it getting the same amount of love! editing continues to get more and more top notch each time, the carousel graphic was AWESOME!
thank you! i'm glad everyone's liked the carousel part :)
what i remember best from saw 6's release is that in france, its pronounced as "saw sis" which sound exactly like saucisse, meaning sausage, and everyone was talking about the sausage movie when refering to saw 6 haha
your videos about the saw franchise are amazing ! we really feel the love you have of the franchise, as well as for horror as a genre! keep up the amazing work, and onto the next video i go!
that's actually super funny lmao, also i'm surprised a jigsaw victim hasn't ended up in a sausage machine yet. and thank you very much! i do really love this series, and finding a bunch of people who share that love has been very nice :)
Saw 6 was the first Saw movie I ever watched it's what made me love the series. The shotgun carousel is iconic imo, regardless of how simple it is compared to some of the other more elaborate traps. Definitely a favourite.
starting your movie watching career with peak? it's all downhill from there (but i love that lmao)
The title is pretty to similar to the video on Saw VI by the channel "TheOleRazzleDazzle". I'm glad this entry in the series gets the kudos it deserves.
oooh i'll have to check them out! i love this one so much, so i'm glad to give it the proper service it deserves
YEAA!! THIS REALLY IS THE BEST SAW MOVIE!!
I just think the double whammy of the shotgun carousel right next to the "right now you're feeling helpless" scene is just so perfect. and I really love how its hoffman's own words calling him helpless in some way...
I really am sad about perez cause she's my favourite... i wish she would have been the foil in 3d than what we got with gibson
and jill really is the best in this film for real!
It sucks that strahm died never knowing perez was still alive, and perez died not knowing how strahm actually died...
strahm and perez's dynamic was so fun. he clearly thought he was better, but when she got hurt, he showed he truly cared for her, as a partner. i hate that she died, but she went out in absolute style
love this analysis! i think my only real complaint is the retcon(? reveal?) that hoffman blackmailed amanda is murdering lyn, because personally i think her breakdown and snapping at john was far more compelling as an authentic breaking point after being Put Through All That & Then Being Replaced. the audio mixing scene though was so tense OUGH i think it a sign of a good movie if the crime thriller can be equally as thrilling as people having their insides melted by acid. great video!!!
thank you! i definitely agree, amanda finally taking her life back was a great way to end her story. making it so that she's still controlled by a man is a real downer. but i'm willing to pin that on the writers trying to add more onto the story where it doesn't need to be (i mean, these guys aren't leigh whannell or anything). and every time i watch the audio tech scene my heart starts racing, it rules so so much
these videos always hit! you do such a good job with each one!!
thank you so so much, that means a lot :)
I see you reply to lots of your comments, and I really admire that. So I’m gonna share an opinion, and you can share your thoughts if you want (no pressure, and of course anyone here can add to it or disagree).
I think the biggest mistake they made in this movie was killing off William. I would say he would’ve made a better accomplice than the one in Jigsaw was, mostly because he actually learned what he was supposed to learn from the game that he was put through. I mean, I know they need to show the payoff to that trap they’ve literally had in front of our noses the entire time, and that of course he wasn’t going to make it, since they make these just to kill characters, but still.
Let me on the directing team or somethin lol
i figure yall take a second of your day to leave the comment, the least i can do is repay the favor! my only thing with that is i don't see him taking on the role of jigsaw. he was clearly shaken up by the deaths (i know he liked them to an extent, but still) that i can't really see him in the same role of someone like logan. but who knows, william's a bit of an oddball to start anyways
14:02 william was right.... It was because of the cancer treatment that sawX happened lmaoo
He just oofed ppl for no reason
i LOVE that those two movies are connected
This is such a great series of videos dude, you're knocking it out of the park ♥️🪚
thank you so so so much :) still a few more coming soon!
new sub cause ive been saying this shit for YEARS. SAW VI was the best one hands down. to the traps and the meaning of the movie overall about the healthcare crisis is insane.
welcome :) i'm glad we can agree, this one is so so SO good
It's kinda rare for a sequel to be so good but daaamn 6 is my absolutely favorite
it's probably my favorite in the series too, it's just a perfect saw movie :)
I am ungodly excited for this! I love your Saw videos, but Saw VI is my favorite Saw movie, so I have been hoping and waiting for this one!!!
and i hope it's everything you've wanted and then some! thank you for being here! :)
Wow… this was pretty much everything that needed to be said on Saw 6. I will add one more thing…
Regarding the traps being “unfair” in this one… I always saw it not because Hoffman set them up (clearly John designed these prior to his death, as he clearly prerecorded the videos of himself that William sees in the tests), but that it was match just how unfair William’s policies actually are. This is culminated with the Carousel Trap’s “2/3 are going to die” setup, then thrown back in William’s face with the family of the guy he sentenced to death.
Anyway, yeah Saw 6 is a legendary entry in the series. There’s quite a few reasons for this…
First off, this one is Hoffman at his finest. You get to see him pull off the rare feat of beating an “unwinnable” trap, and he does it in glorious fashion, being a total badass in the process. He also is shown to enjoy brutality multiple times, as we not only see it with John’s line of “Do you like how brutality feels, Mark?” after he throws Timothy’s unconscious body around, but also with him listening in on the opening trap and how much he seems to enjoy killing off Perez and Erickson, he cruelly smiles at the latter before dumping gasoline all over him. I also love his banter with Amanda, the “You sure about that?” being great foreshadowing of him rigging Amanda’s game. We also see even more so than in Saw 5 that Hoffman is quite the clever strategist in both long term and short term, as he is shown only only able to get the better of others in the long term (such as Amanda and Strahm), but this film in particular reveals he can also come up with a new plan on the spot as well, demonstrated by how he reacts to unscrambling the tape and when Jill tries to kill him.
Second… the political messaging. Oh my. This had the potential to go bad quickly… and yet it worked. What worked was they didn’t just have it in your face, they also implemented it well in the traps, while also having something to say about real life. I also love that it’s the one film in the series (besides Spiral) to actually go there and say something about the real world. But of course, knowing the truth about health insurance company practices and seeing what a scumbag William is just makes it satisfying to see him get his comeuppance. Having the traps use his own policy against him was brilliant writing.
Third was… the traps. There were some brutal ones, but they had meaning thanks to the messages about corruption and greed, including the opening trap, which is not only one of the most brutal traps in the series, but is probably my favorite opening trap, as it sets the mood perfectly for the kind of film you’re watching.
And of course… the way they tied up the timeline rather neatly for what they had was great as well, especially revealing the rivalry between Amanda & Hoffman, which I hope they elaborate more on in the future.
Had this been the final film, I would have been content with it. While Saw 5 is my favorite in personal preference, I do agree in calling Saw 6 objectively the best film and for me it gets close second in my ranking.
Awesome video.
that's a good point actually, definitely reflects william's ways. as for the rest of it, absolutely. this one is just so damn good throughout. hoffman is insane in the best ways, the themes are great, and it has one of the most iconic traps in the whole franchise. what more could you possibly ask for? and, thank you for watching! :)
The amount of work I had to do to simply watch this video is insane lol. Yt decided, after my long marathon of gore related media, that this is the one that needs me to send them my ID. I tried 5 times or so until it finally detected what it said.
Anyway great video.
yeah it's unfortunate it got age restricted, but i appreciate you going through it to watch :) hopefully it was worth the hassle!
Some of my issues with saw 6 are that first half is somewhat of a chore to get through, the breathing room trap feels cruel like the Brazin bull, the steam room trap when she has to get that gun trap off of her feels a bit over kill and William should have been able to live at the end, John wouldn’t even have done that, but other than that it’s a almost perfect movie
i can see where you're coming from with those critiques. i do think, technically, william could've survived, but rodrick doomed him to become melty on the inside
@ripdalt true, William didn’t stand a chance
A while back I commented that I hadn’t seen the Saw franchise. Because of your videos I am now 6 movies in. They really are brilliant.
Thank you for showing me how great they are.
My brother is a fan of the movies & has seen them so he is rewatching them w me and we have a great time watching them.
Thank you for making these videos. I’ll message again when I finish them all.
that's absolutely awesome, thank you for this :) i'm glad i could help you see the light!! it's peak
@@ripdalt you’re great, and you’re right, Saw 6 is glorious. It would be cool to see you do a video on a deeper thought analysis of Saw as a franchise in respect to themes, society and cultural impacts.
Honestly I hope you’re proud of your videos, dalt.
@@LupitaLaChona i absolutely am, but comments like this reassure me and keep that fire ignited to continue to make more and hopefully better :)
i’m actually analysing john’s piranha speech for an assignment at uni at the moment lmao. banger video for a banger movie.
wait that's really cool, good luck!
i can’t believe you posted this while i was busy doing a saw marathon😭
sounds like some good timing to me :)
If you haven't already, I would really recommend watching Health Justice and SAW by Qualia Redux. Probably my favourite SAW-related video essay ever. Been loving your analysis too, there's so many layers to this one, and I can't wait for your next video :) also, happy pride month!
i haven't, so i'll have to check it out! thank you for the rec :) and a happy pride month to you, as well!
saw this posted and I freaked the hell out! /pos saw 6 is easily one of my favorites so it’s lovely seeing your doing a analysis on it
thank you so much! i'm glad you enjoy me yappin :)
i remember being really into the saw movies when i was a kids but as an adult I don't remember a single thing that happens in them except the shotgun carousel, that one's been stuck in my mind the whole time its just too good
sounds to me like you're overdue for a franchise rewatch :)
Hoffman going straight terminator is the peak of the series and that’s a fact
it's SO GOOD, he just turns it on in an instant
I love how you mention at 25.13, its exactly my point too, i somewhat dont like hoffman as every trap he does "innocents" need to die, but in saw 6 its done amazingly well! IT fits the insurance theme well and hoffmans character. I have one question though. At the point William arrives at his "End game" the movie is edited so it "seems" like hoffmans trap activates as soon as the kid turns the lever to die, I always assumed it had to do with if Hoffman "learned".. Like make a survivable game like john wanted, like his philosophy. But he didnt.. It links hoffman as the 6th person to the other 5 of this game if that makes sense?.. (Basically imo, he was supposed to die here as he failed in continuing the legacy). This is one trap that seemed to really have worked on the main character, i felt sad William died :-)
ooh interesting way to look at the end, that hadn't even occurred to me, but i can definitely see it
@@ripdalt The idea probably all get undone and forgotten as we go forward lmao, but yea this is also a thing that makes saw 6 one of the best to me its similar to X for me tbh, in the keeping the story kinda "close" and not "all over the place". Things tracking back and viewable from different ways.
Marvin: "Chris and the others tried to warn us, that Umbrella was behind everything."
hoffman basically turns into mr x, so that fits
When I was 15 I somehow managed to convince my dad to take me to see this in theatres. The merry go round scene legit gave me cold shivers and I felt traumatized for days after. Good times 😂
Thanks for continuing the series dalt.
Much love 👍🏿
man, i wish i got to experience the first saw movies in theaters, that would've been insane. thank you for showing love on the vids, i appreciate it :)
Omg I could not 😂 at 16 I was like HELLA scared of the old exorcist I’m such a baby I fully was like covering my eyes even now 🫣 it makes watching spooky movies fun tho! The evil dead remake and the conjurings had came out and I was working at the theatres at the time and I had to run past them to go clock in I was such a wuss 😂 I fell down the stairs like SOOOO many times lol
was it hoffman designing the traps? or was it always john(jigsaw)? It seemed like all the kidnappings were happening simultaneously from the 1st movie to the 5th, like everything was set up by john way before he knew he was going to die. but we do know hoffman's motivation, john still holds sway over hoffman because if he fails to do the rest of the games hoffman would get revealed as seth's killer and jigsaw's accomplice. We know this from the tape john swallowed on his death bed.
i think john designed the majority, if not all, of the traps, but hoffman still had a lot of work to do, especially as the sole jigsaw at this point. if he did the designing as well, he did a good job of it!
William Easton is the best protagonist and I won’t be told otherwise (so glad you’re still making these, I can’t wait to see you cover Jigsaw)
i really loved seeing his true side shine through when he was faced with the reality of his "equation"
6 down, 4 to go... Up next is the one where they forgot what color blood is supposed to be... And the one with Chester Bennington from Linkin Park...
Ya know what? Given how strategic and well-informed John is... I wonder if he already knew that Amanda was with Cecil the night Gideon was killed.
I mean, its never stated that he DIDN'T know, and given all the punishment he put Amanda through over the first 2 movies, I wonder if either he already knew and that was why he chose her in the first place... Expecting her to fail her test like Cecil did, but when she survived, he decided to see if she'd tell him the truth herself or not.
And instead of telling her that he knew about her and Cecil, he instead told her that he chose her because she was an addict that Jill gave up on.
Like I wanna see a deleted scene or a flashback that shows him finding out about her and Cecil and deciding to keep that to himself. (Maybe telling Jill at some point, but otherwise keeping it a secret)
based on what we've seen from john and his intelligence, i'd find it SUPER hard to believe he wouldn't have known about amanda and cecil. he knows literally everything about everyone. but i think after her first test, he grew a respect for her that turned into a platonic love for her
@@ripdalt See, tbat's what I'm thinking too
6:25
That's how it is in America sadly. It's called "pre-existing injury".
Say if you have no insurance, and you break your toe, and you go to the doctor and they tell you that you need insurance, you go and get insurance, and go back In seek of care now that you're insured, and they deny you because you didn't have the insurance when it happened.
it's so sad too, putting people already down on their luck through the runaround just to continuously double down on that bad luck
@@ripdalt yeah I tore my patella tendon, and did that whole runaround, whole time I lost my job, I couldn't walk for about 6 months, and i couldn't get the surgery I actually needed. Was a tough few years, but I'm back at it, everything's all good. Luckily my tendon wasn't completely torn so it healed itself (sortve)
But yeah garbage system.
We send trillions of dollars to random countries I don't even know the name of, but they won't even help their dying people here with health care.
But instead "let's drop a bomb here and go in and see if we can find any survivors! And and then lets send shimihnnagola 60 billion dollars!"
Recently rewatched every saw movie and watching as many reviews/analysis as possible
Theres honestly not as many videos that analyze it as i expected. Yours are some of the better ones! Please keep doing these, theyre great :)
Edit: itd also be fun to do a video with theories of what the future films might do
Spoiler for Saw X:
I feel like the jigsaw fangirl might be put through either a trap or a trial in order to recruit her. And that the woman that survives Saw X might go after acolytes for revenge and her money
i haven't really watched many saw analysis vids (really only the kill counts, if those count), but i'm glad to be among the best ones :) i would love to see eleanor back, and i 100% expect cecilia to return in some capacity, there's no way they left it open ended for no reason
21:28 okay if this was his sister why did he call her babe.
william LOVES sweet home alabama by lynyrd skynyrd
@@ripdalt now I see the real reason why they put him in the traps
"What am i supposed to learn from this!!" "Um predatory leading is bad and you dismber ppls lives while doing it."
wait you kinda ate with that line
Dude I love the carousel segment hadn’t seen it done like that before!
thank you! i tried to make it a little fun :)
Ahhh the amazing SawVi. I feel like Saw X definitely takes after this shining example of how to make a saw film
saw x was such a breath of fresh air after 7-9, and to have it connected to 6 (with the same director!) is awesome
I feel bad for the janitor in the first test, he literally doesn't do anything wrong does he?
no, he's literally just a smoker and john kills him. it's so unjust and unfair. but it _does_ show william just how unfair his policy is
the piranha one! my favorite 🕺
_piranha_
john...
Just watched all of these up to this video and you explanations of the series are fantastic, I've not watched pass VI so looking forward to seeing how the series pans out too, thank you!
thank you! i'm glad you enjoy the series :)
17:26 WOAH WHAT THE
mini game break :)
Is the Umbrella healthcare supposed to be a reference to Resident Evil's Umbrella Corporation?
i always thought that too! i doubt it though, but it'd be cool
I always thought the decision to have jigsaw go after the healthcare industry was kind of a deviation from his modus operandi in the previous films.
His previous victims were all either people who had failed to live up to his idea of a model citizen (drug adicts, adulterers, etc) or people who were trying to stop him making his traps.
My reading of him was that he was a twisted version of a neoliberal welfare state. Instead of just helping people who were going through hardship he gave them a bunch of humiliating obstacles in the name of character building, which is similar to how you cant buy hot food with food stamps or how homeless camps get removed by cops in the name of safety.
Jon getting mad at a healthcare exec for not being understanding and compassionate to sick people is at odds with putting a guy in a maze of razor wire cos he was self harming. In that way its fitting that Jon is on the tapes instead of the billy puppet, cos this is a personal revenge plot rather than another exercise in punishing the people at the bottom of soceity for not adapting to soceity well enough.
i think his neoliberal acts are a facade for a more conservative person, or moreso a centrist. john picks and chooses which sides to be on, which is all well and fine, but he often contradicts himself and his own message. now, is that poor writing and character building from new writing teams? yeah probably.
@@ripdalt prior to saw vi I think Jon has always picked the side of "failuring to meet societies demands is a moral failure" tho. And he seems to only take issue with anything in soceity when he talks about the police being hypocrits for trying to stop him doing what they do (correct bad behavior with violence) but in a more effective way (at least according to him).
(Personally I would argue that neoliberal, conservative and centrist are functionally synonyms, but that debate can be saved for another day)
@@daveclarke1990 i think that's a fair assessment of john's objective. i think he suffers from his ego, always believing himself to be the pillar of morality in his twisted world, which certainly effects how he goes about things
@@ripdalt for what it's worth I don't hate saw iv, it's fun to see evil healthcare executives get what's coming to them. I would also probably enjoy a film where Jason Voorheaz took a break from killing horny teens and took on insurance execs, but it would still be a departure
Saw 6 is 15 years old!
It's cool since the actress in the opening scene actually won a fan contest to be in the movie
Sadly this was the lowest grossing of the franchise next to Spiral
the deathtraps are pretty clever this time around
and the twists in the story are actually better than I thought
there's a better motivation to the plot too
we have a better protagonist I think than from SAW 3
the fans and gorehounds will appreciate this so much and it has a plot that dares to tackle the healthcare system being very political
It actually feels quite timely given this was during Barack Obama’s term setting up healthcare reform and the housing crash of 2008 with the victims here consisting of predatory lenders and insurance agents corporate profits as well as American capitalism
Plus this also takes advantage of the moral premise as well as the themes and motifs of working as a collective rather than prioritizing individual security
Heck it could even tie to a classic Vincent Price movie Abominable Dr. Phibes involving medical vengeance being a precedent for Saw itself including Shakespeare
It’s not the doctors or the patients that make the money it’s more the insurance companies, certain parts of the world doctors don’t have to charge their sick patients, we think it’s the living that have ultimate judgement over us but it might be the dead, maybe the most important thing of the human equation is the will to live, is it up to people to determine whether or not we live or die based on flaws found in policies?, addiction is never simple, once you’ve seen death upclose then you know what the value of life is, helping the citizens should be more than helping the institutions
This is a return to form for the filmmakers and a logical avenue for the character of John Kramer’s mythos while also being the most personal vendetta speaking to the core of his entire mission
Tobin Bell gives such a stellar performance as usual especially his monologue in the middle
There’s many fans who don’t really enjoy Costas Mandylor as the new apprentice but here they manage to make him a formidable force being more lethal given he’s an officer of the law using that to his advantage
Some might accuse this film being so woke and being a complicated soap opera in a film series plagued by diminishing returns but it remains a high point regardless remaining so relevant understanding the rhetoric of personal individualism and personal responsibility with the real horror lying in the systems pitting people against each other
One of the franchise’s best installments!
couldn't have said it better myself! :)
25 mins ago! So excited I immediately clicked, been waiting with baited breath for more on this series
speaking of baited breath... william knows a thing or two about that :o thank you for watching :)
Love your videos. Can’t wait for the analysis on saw 3D!!!
thank you so much! 3d is definitely one of *the* saw movies of all-time
Amazing breakdown of the movie, you did an excellent job of showing how its themes are more intricate beyond the surface. Your ending words are nicely poignant, definitely a sentiment that would make the world a better place if more people lived by.
thank you very much, i'm glad you enjoyed it :)
The shotgun carousel screen UI...academy award
i wanted to have a little fun with it :)
I'm also glad that when it comes to Saw X and the story it, it makes me happy that Saw 6 is not "Outcast" anymore of when it comes to the story, mostly to the mental heath side plot
everything about it is just such a perfect combination, absolutely deserves its flowers
Nice job mate, loved your Saw 4 video too
thank you, i appreciate that :)
this was a great video! i liked the shotgun carousal part :)
thank you! i had a lot of fun with that part :)
just came across your saw videos subbed and am looking forward to more youree doing great my dude 8)
thank you so much! i'm glad you enjoy the vids :)
I like how we finally got to know what the letter to Amanda says
they took their sweet time with that info! lmao
@@ripdalt yep
One thing though, how did Mark know about Amanda's involvement with Cesol?
Just subbed today cuz of that 2 hour long vid. The timing lmao.
perfect timing :) glad you enjoy the vids!
Saw 6 has been my favorite since I watched the series, my first saw merch was a saw 6 poster
oh that's so awesome, a great piece for the collection :)
sure is a shame they never made another saw film after 6, but at least it ended on a high note :)
good thing they never went down the 3d path and certainly never made one or two reboots of the franchise. that would've sucked
I thought this movie was really bad because people said it wasn't good and I watched it last in the series, man I regret listening to those people. Btw good vid
it did so poorly at the box office (maybe by word of mouth?) but i've never been one to judge a film based on that. i think it's really good, and i'm glad so many others think so too :)
Must finish the Final Destination 5 kill count, I will return very shortly!
understandable, hopefully you enjoy both of them! :)
@@ripdalt i thoroughly enjoyed both of them I can’t wait to see how the final chapter goes tho
After the wackassery of Saw 4 and 5, i was pleasantly surprised by this one, it's honestly probably my third favourite, just behind the first and second movies.
that's a completely fair ranking (and depiction of 4 and 5 lmao, but i do love those ones)
great time to be a saw fan right now, loving all ur saw videos :]]
it's always a good time to be a saw fan :) and thank you very much!
Dude the I only watched this series this year after seeing James WAN’s Film Malignant. I’ve been a chemo nurse since I was 19 so like 10 years and man while I will say the film is very ‘grim dark’ unfortunately the insurance and oncology treatment is relying heavily on insurance. My husband is also a pharmacist and we discuss at length how much money in America severely affects outcomes. I don’t think people have the full understanding that your insurance actually practices medicine.
If John was a patient he would undergo a process of diagnosis which requires staging which requires biopsies, pathology and imaging to see essentially what type, where it originated and how advanced his cancer is. This requires his insurance to approve it. Once it’s done there are approved treatments physicians know work, these….have to be approved by insurance. I mean they don’t technically but depending on the treatment (given his rough diagnosis given) he likely needs immunotherapy which is HELLA expensive. Sometimes costing hundreds of thousands PER infusion. So it’s your life or treatment you can’t afford. Sometimes the drug company pays for it…for the continued lobbied tax cuts and funding from the government or gives them discounts to their insurance…which also gets grants from the government… you know? To pay for the treatment of citizens. One of trump administrators tried to eliminate a bill allowing Medicare/medicaid covering these in 2020/2021. Which would have fucked a TON of people not only with cancer but autoimmune disease and are disabled by it like junior rheumatoid arthritis and etc.
So unfortunately…these movies weren’t too far off with the insurance being the villain on this one. In fact when the insurance company denied a drug because it’s expensive they approve another that’s more dangerous they will require they fail it first which means their disease has progressed. In John’s case it means he likely had irressible damage. I’ve unfortunately seen this code people their lives before they turn 30. To challenge it we do something called an appeal. Which means we challenge their denial saying it’s required they approve what we initially sent. They will try and deny it again and often have it reviewed by their own physician who…doesn’t specialize in our specialty. The amount of times I’ve had an oral chemotherapy denied for off label studied use by a gynecologist or cardiologist 😅. This happens even at your local pharmacy with prior authorizations which is literally the insurance company saying “did you mean to prescribe this? Prove it” and forcing the office to use older tech in order to hopefully delay and prevent prescription pickup/coverage because IT WORKS. It has been proven to be a barrier to patient care in one way or the other and prevented their ability to get the medication and lower the insurances costs. The fact you don’t receive raises is for your ‘benefits’. Your insurance is tied to your income level and a large part of how your salary and wages are calculated even though it is pretty much required by most states at a certain level of employees to ensure that people are less likely to seek more competitive offers.
The amount of times my husband and I actively hate the system we work for and cry for the patients we serve is frequent. Seeing patients unable to get medications they need or forced to endure things needlessly because of our system and we’re helpless to assist which was the whole reason any of us got into the field. It’s why a lot of us leave or grow cold.
Healthcare should not be a ‘game’ we have to play. And getting your heart medications or a respiratory infection shouldn’t be a reverse bear trap to get treated 😅. I like they kind of address that. I do wish they would have addressed more of that but I know the grim dark time isn’t like able to see those sides.
i LOVED malignant, it was so fun! also check out some of wan and whannell's other collabs if you haven't! also, thank you for the peak behind the curtain into the healthcare aspect of it all, that's a tough read that seemed to gutpunch me every other line. it's so sad that this is what it's come to, just to survive a (largely) random disease
I always assumed that Pamela and William were originally meant to be dating or married but somewhere along the way it was changed to make them siblings and they simply forgot to edit out the "babe" part. Unless they're implying they have an incestuous relationship?
ooooh potentially makes sense, the later sequels had so much go wrong in production that it wouldn't surprise me
Saw 6 is my favourite but…. I was sad they killed off William Easton… he had learned his lesson… he understood the lesson and was ready to change… but he died anyway… sad… the one victim who truly deserved to live…
so true, easily could've been john's biggest claim to redemption. but i guess it never really was his game in the end
Was too young to get the political stuff and I’m happy to see it brought to the front. Makes me want to rewatch
so was i! once i got a bit older, and picked up on it more, it absolutely changed how i look at it (for the better)
I’ve always said this and nobody agrees. It’s just so darn good!
we've got a nice little community here that cares! :)
Literally the best Saw film. I can’t describe it. Chef’s kiss.
everything about it works so beautifully, plus a lot of fun to watch with friends :)
There's so much Saw retrospective videos to come out this year. But I like the editing and narration with this channel the most.
Is there resurgence of interest in the Saw movies?
i hope so! the more people interested in the franchise, the better in my eyes :) i appreciate that you enjoy the vids!
don't get picked for a saw trap rule #1 Don't Be A Janitor
justice for the janitors!