2005 F-150 5.4 Powertrain Overhaul
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- The owner of this 2005 Ford F-150 decided to keep his truck going for another 200k miles. We replaced the engine and transmission, along with another $2k in parts. Total came out to $10,391 for the job, $8,300 of which was parts.
With the out of control price of trucks now a days this route is a good option.
Yes thats exactly what he's doing i believe! Clean 230k mis chassis. F150s last a long, long time w/ good maintenance! I bought a new '18 F150 Lariat FX4 I will keep 250k+ mis.
I noticed that last summer. Almost brought a good base model Sierra with around 180k for $9k, and some would consider it a steal!
@@ramanpreciado2241 that's not bad if its clean an well maintained! *Any the big3 truck brands get 300k mis easy if good basic maintenance done* Thats why ppl shell out $45-65k for F150s , Sierra etc cause strong, safe, practical.
Its what I'm doing with my 08 f150 5.4
His cost per mile for the next 200K for the repairs is about 5 cents per mile. If it's driven 500 miles a week on average, that works out to about $100 a month, each month until it reaches 200K from now. That's just covering these repairs, not anything that may arise between now and then. So, yes...even with the shocking outlay, it is STILL cheaper by far to completely overhaul an older vehicle instead of buying a new one. Car dealers and people who just want a new truck don't like hearing that reality but the numbers don't lie....just the truck salesman ;-)
Finally someone else possessing rational thinking about keeping old vehicles going.
The way I look at it, if the body is in good shape inside and out, and you like the vehicle keep her going. Of course doing the job yourself if you can, is the best option and stay away from rip off shops. Labor alone can be so high, most won't do it this way, and the lazy sure won't. A job like this is not for everyone, but for those who can, it can indeed pay off in the long run if you got the skills.
Very true, I often assume everyone has the know how and tools to tackle a job like this, but that often isn’t the case. However, I think most people assume they aren’t capable of things that they are, which is unfortunate.
The good part about older vehicles is that the problem you’re facing has more than likely been documented on the internet already.
You could do this a lot cheaper
@@psyker4321how? What would you cut or change to do more cheaply?
This is my favorite body style of F150. Glad to see this truck getting another lease on life. When my Tacoma gets to this point, I will be doing the same. Can’t see spending 50-60k on a new truck in the future.
How’s the engine doing, are they build with oem parts?
Ford 5.4 3 valve, keeping mechanics busy since 2004 🤣
Its not the truck", its the incompidant owners.
@@blowme5150 LOL you must be one: "Its not the truck", its the incompidant owners."
@@blowme5150 no the 3 valve is trash regardless
Alot of people talk trash about the 3v who have never owned one. They'll go as long as the two valves if you keep the oil clean. Poor maintenence and the fact that ford sold millions of them have given the 3v a bad reputation. FACTS.
Cheaper to keep her
I have 2008 zero rust and garage keep new leather seats I'm planning on doing this hell 11,000 lot cheaper than 60 000 for new one
Awesome
That looked like such a fun weekend
I just found out my engine is bad in my 2006, i have to swap my motor, wish i had you guys to help!! I'm really worried about doing it, this video will help
And if you were to fix that engine how in depth would you rebuild it
I have an 06 that is super clean and 113k. It runs good, but my second driver side exhaust manifold is cracked. I may put stainless headers on it, I won't go back with factory.
Surprised they got a whole new 4R75E. Oh and got enough tranny fluid on that floor? :P
190000 and still running strong my 3v 5.4 . take care of your shit.
Super video ! Are you central PA
Dude 2006 f150 4.6 190k why is my brake light on.
I’m not an idiot there is fluid in it the float sensor is working and the parking brake is not engaged and sensor is also working and there is no codes.
What a helluva deal and he has a new ride basically! Man. Thanks to your help! We all need a buddy like you
I wished this was done in slow motion so I can learn much more. I'm not a mechanic.
Great work! Watched from start to finish. Really impressive job. Totally worth the $10k or so it cost. You can't even find a truck like that for $10k, let alone with basically new parts AND an engine/trans warranty.
fordtechmakuloco would of fixed the current drivetrain
That's definitely the right way to fix one if your planning on keeping it forever. Just replace everything.
I would crush it rather than throwing money down the drain 😄
@@kingpins9 ya used vehicles are stupid expensive right now. I've gave up looking for one now until things go back to normal.
Yeah... I think I'll go this route when my 2008 F250 5.4 3v bites the dust. Its a southern truck with no rust and immaculate interior. Why buy new if you get new life out of your old truck for under $10k? 👍😎👍
Nice work! I replaced mine myself in a 2008. Got the motor from Powertrain Products in Maryland. I hit that trans seal while I had the motor out. I'm only in about 5k though.
so 200k truck with new engine and tranny then it equals a 100k truck? lol
Backfire is caused by bad spark plugs. 300k miles on my 04 5.4 3v no issues ever (original everything). 15w40 8qrts since new..original: coolant,fuel system,power steering,trans fluid, coils,water pump,exhaust. Replaced: belt,pulleys,battery,e3 plugs, its on its 3rd alternater.
Just hilarious how many Silverado’s with over 300k running just fine
Exactly. My 2004 Chevy @ 290,000 and still runs great.
95 k1500 380k miles
And way easier to work on.
My 2010 f150 with 4.6 3v has 315k miles and still running fine
My dads 2015 needed a new engine due to AFM 1800 miles out of warranty.
In ten years...
Trucks will be costing 100,000 on average. Thats my opinion.
Exactly how I felt after rebuilding my 4.6 on my 97 f150. She purred quite from first start and been running good ever since. Wish I could have afforded a new one, would have been less than half the work. Fords can be tough to work on, you guys worked your ass off for sure, that would have took me much longer to do.
Strongest motor i ever owned! Headers programer intake camms ", i was getting close to 340 hps
You guys knocked it out of the park. Nice truck!
It would of been cheaper to buy a rebuilt creat motor with a warranty. Could of saved Abt 3 grand lol
what wouldve been nice is a melling 360hv oil pump but im sure upkeep on oil changes will do fine
He could add one when he reaches about 90,000 miles on this engine, timing set & oil pump is good preventative maintenance.
@@paulsosa1872 true, I did my timing and oil pump at 300,000
I want to get this done, where are you guys located? I've got a 06 F150 with the 5.4L
Did the same repairs on a clean high mileage non running 3 valve F250 I purchased:
Six years later and she still runs like a top.
Gotta love that vacuum hose on the lower backside of the intake manifold. Was a PITA to connect with the manifold installed, was difficult to reach.
I'm starting mine and I'm worried about that thing
Did you guys instal the newer/better oil pump?
Refreshing to see someone actually do things right. Along with keeping something, vs tossing and just buying new.
I’m in the process of doing the same to a 2003 King Ranch with 470k miles. My 2009 has a 4.6 with 403k miles. Still life in her! The 5.4 is so crazy to work on! That 5.4 looks clean!
I like the looks of that truck so another 200k of life. 👍
Damn impressive!
nice job there my friends.... that is deff. a good way to beet a new trk payment any day of the week!!!!!!!!!!!
Wtf exactly was I investigating taking the fuel cap off and looking in there?? Lmfao
Just checking to see if it’s 2 stroke fuel compatible or not 🤣🤣
Good job, guys!
What did they end up paying out the door? This seems like an excessive amount of work for a truck like this.....
He said $9k of parts in the video. I would never put that on that truck and would have used that money to get a newer one. That’s just dumb.
@@killabandit 9k in parts but what did that labor cost on top of that... this is gonna be 1-2k in labor easy so you have spent $12k+ in a 16+ year old truck with 230k+ miles. This is the dumbest financial move I’ve seen. You buy a newer truck and that’s right there is 50% of the cost. Newer, less use, more reliable, more capable.
Total cost of the job ended up being $10,391
IDK these newer trucks are falling apart badly too much technology.
@@DanielJaegerFilms Quality work done. Hats off to you! I did a timing job on my 5.4 2V and it took me 3 hours to just to remove the intake as the water crossover gaskets as well as the intake gaskets were shot. People underestimate the time it takes to do these jobs.
Better than 40,000 for a new truck!
Ford dealers take $10,000 to $15,000 off new sticker price at the drop of a hat. They know they'll make their money back in Engine (and drivetrain) sales
They last a long time.. 5.4L 3V withstanding. The 6spd trannies are rock solid just replace fluid every 60k mis or 40k mis if you tow heavy! Owned 2 - F150s w/5.4L no issues. Now run gen2 Ecoboost '18 F150 Lariat FX4.
That body style only had 4speeds for the v8 trucks
@@MichaelFletcher-to7mm that later yrs towards end of cycle had 6spd trannies. They used the 6spd till '17 in F150. Drive the new 10spd sometime ..its amazing.
@@Davido50 I’ve driven the new 10 speeds, the 6 speed wasn’t in the f150 until 2009
Man… that is such a long and difficult job. But sweat equity is awesome.
I’ve not overhauled a vehicle since 1983. I overhauled a 1968 F-250 with a 390. I was 16. It wasn’t hard. But when I look under the hood of my 2007 F-150 King Ranch……. It actually scares me. I could see myself becoming confused when I put it back together.
My old 4.6 2v sounds just like that factory fresh 5.4 even after 220K miles, best engine Ford ever made after the old 300 big six
The new 5.0 is definitely better in basically every way
@@ah4800 So you say, the coyote is more complex and has more to fail, after you replace the original intake manifold with the updated part there's not much else to be done to a 16v 4.6
@@vacexpert2020 also has 100 more hp and better mpg. 5.0 has a good record
@@ah4800 Power and efficiency are second to ease of repair for my purposes, I've driven a 5.0 F-150 before and liked the power, but in usual ford style after they get a bunch of miles on 'em the top end gets noisy, the old 4.6 is hanging in there, only that's been done is a timing set before I bought it, no cam phasers, VCT solenoids, or variable intake runner actuators to worry about like with their newer engines
@@ah4800 yeah and all that tech to make it better will not last as long as a 4.6 2v
Impressive work. Nice interior and exterior.
I just replaced the exhaust manifolds, timing chain and tensioners, oil pump, got a phaser lock out kit with a tuner. Truck runs better than new. Spent $2200 total. The 5.4 3V doesnt have to be thrown in the trash unless you have some kind of major failure. They are tougher than people think
How much torque down low did locking the phasers cost you?
@@jakejacob9814 Honestly it feels better than it did before the phasers went out. I also put a full duel exhaust with X pipe on at the same time, so that probably helped the low end too. Im glad I went with the lock outs
I was at the same point with my truck. I went ahead and got a crate motor from Ford. 2k more for a whole reman engine compared to timing job components.
@@kawalaco That's one way to do it. I knew I had a solid short block (good oil pressure, no knocks, no oil usage or smoking), and I wanted to eliminate the whole cam phaser setup, so I chose the lockouts
Yeah it gets boring listening to the slamming. My 08 F150 runs just fine.
Other then engine being replaced which jobs would you have considered most important with that many miles
If it was my truck, 4bt swap for sure.
The best way to fix a Ford, just change the engine.
My fist vehicle will be a truck.When mine gets to this point, I'm going to rebuild m engine and transmission as well, since these new trucks are getting crazy expensive. Might even throw in a new frame.
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I bought a 1998 ford f150 5.4 but was heavily neglected and my naive ass said that I can fix her up for cheap... parts are cheap but the amount of things it needed and still needs is pushing me to sell the truck. Moral of the story dont be a dumbass like me
If this was mine I don’t think I would of put another 5.4 back in, I would of gone with the 4.6. In my opinion there more reliable but that’s probably because I’ve had so much good luck with mine 315,000 and still running well
Great job guys. The 5.4 is a work horse, but the dumbest things hinder that truck. ( laughs in 2004 fx4 5.4 ) cheaper to keep her if you can afford it. Haters gonna hate, taters gonna potate!
9k plus labor it's better then 30k or 40k new truck or more
How much did the transmission cost?
The options are: get a newer truck where in 5 years ownership and like 60k miles, the repairs will probably be over that 9k, parts only but you know. It's less reliable in most cases, minimal good features. 9k plus labor so idk lets just say its 12k 15k, that's what....a 2010 truck? So get another truck with lots of potential problems and probably in rough shape...yeah no. Not all that sure that i'd pick a 5.4 3v as the truck to put all this money into, BUT if it can give him another 150k plus miles, that's surely worth it.
A lot of money but less than a new truck
Have you guys had an intermittent starter screeching noise?
I have a couple questions. I love how these trucks look but isn't $10,000 in repair excessive? Wont it be better to get a used 4.6 2v from the junkyard inside?? I am not very familiar with these trucks and I don't know if the engines are interchangeable. I could understand a re manufactured transmission. In the case of the engine, are the re manufactured engines prone to problems again?? If I do get this truck, How long can I drive with the bad cams before it explodes?? Thanks
FordTechMakuloco would have fixed this. Just sayin
He would have recommended a new engine.
With the prices that new trucks cost, and you have also figured in sales taxes and deprecation along with the cost for the note and insurance. Doing a rebuild is very cost-effective as long as the rest of the truck is in good shape. Where I live the road salt will kill the vehicle. No rust sure beats a truck payment for 72 months.
5.4 wooooorst engine ever!🤣🤣🤮
Ever heard of a "Y-Block"?? In production for what, 3 years in non-commercial applications?
Just a question, would it have been better to just pull the cab if you have a lift? That seems to be the easiest way on the F250 series... anyway just asking for future knowledge and great job as always sir!
Oh yes, pulling the cab would have been my preference, but I didn’t have a two post lift.
@@DanielJaegerFilms yep saw that, but it seems your doing just fine making it all work! Thanks and looking forward to further great projects!
I love these 5.4 videos I watch them all here on YT reminds me to never buy one again
If the headlights ever fade, restore them instead of replacing them.
Who supplied the remanufactured engine and transmission ? Ford ? Never mind. Answered at the end - Ford
Cool!
I have 310k on mine. Same year and engine, just a super cab and 2 wheel drive. I have a lot of problems with the drive. Pulling, steering wheel crooked, suspensions noises. Plus some engine misfires.
Do you recommend I put some money into it? If so what would you do?
Less then 2 grand for the labor?
Still love your channel.
This is a awesome video guys! All this work in one full video!!
But why??? Lol
Can you 5.0 swap it?
When my 04 3V Triton puked it timing guides like most guys I chose to rebuild timing in place....my truk although not as nice as this one was at least very solid. It was mostly a workhorse.
By the time you are done dealing with a hundred other things you will discover its far better to just replace the engine ....mine drove me crazy for months afterward with small crap....it just wears you out working on these things because they are so badly designed and no thought given to EVER repairing them. Your point abouth the intake is spot on !
I did the timing set but left the intake on....as soon as it was running again I had lean codes big time......had to go back in and pull the intake....what a nightmare. Seems the gaskets were dead and perhaps got disturbed doing the timing set just enough to leak when it ran again.
The list of stuff that I did fix with the timing is long too and added to cost....power steering pump and lines...oil pump you MUST always do that ! Pulled the pan to clean the shredded plastic from timing guides out of it. Had to go back in and replace the oil temp sensor ! It throws codes if it can't read it !
That said it has run great for the last year so Im happy. Did 100% of the work myself still cost almost 4K Canadian dollars by the time I did plugs and coils. Worst vehicle I have ever worked on....04 was a complete re-design and this is how it was done ! Smokin toooo much stuff at Ford.
The only problem he made is not running the right oil from new you have to run 10w-30 conventional mine is all original engine and transmission never touched and my 5.4 three valve has 325,000 miles and still daily driven and still tows trailers weekly
I think you might be right. 5w-20 and extended oil changes kill these engines.
Awesome video guys!!!!!
i woulda just swapped in a coyote
Those have their own issues
@@Tracert-mc1hu ok, LS. Problem solved
@@bendino9016 I would've just swapped in a 4.6. Compatible and a lot more robust.
Why not just put Godzilla in there. It'll bolt in with 430hp.
I’m dropping 10 grand as well in my truck as soon as the engine it has rn gives out
Now time to run 5w-30 for the next 230k.
You being sarcastic or very unknowledgeable ?
@@froglobster very knowledgeable. I don’t comment unless I know why I’m talking about.
@@Bushy556 You are entitled to your opinion. Maybe I shouldn’t have phrased my question to you like that.
Facts with these engines is stick with factory recommendation because the oil ports are unfortunately super small and the oil needs to be thin to get out quickly to the phasers. I’ve spoken to old school mechs I know plus vids all over. I have an 08 F150 106000 miles I use the Ford recommendation no problem clean block oil change every 4-5 thou. Had truck since 2010 ain’t risking thicker oil.
That’s enough backup facts for me plus owning one.
Sad that a well taken care of 150 is only good for 200k.......
To be fair this generation is the worst f150 ever made
That's insane!!! But I love it!
Do you still have the black F150?
Yes
@@DanielJaegerFilms Ok
@@DanielJaegerFilms the body on that truck is amazing i take its a southern climate truck? I have an 07 almost identical to this truck mine is all red xlt with 147k the rear wheel lips are rusting as is the cab corners in 2016 at 105k the 5.4 3v died all the timing
components went due to low oil pressure a new 5.4 3v from ford was installed for 7k its just a shame how the rust is eating away but im in Illinois
@@iamkazie9401 In salt areas all the 04-08s have frame rot. With all the other problems best to avoid.
That’s aweome
Where you get the engine? Link?
This takes me back
Those 3V are disposable, Not even worth rebuilding, just replace them. I have known so many owners (family/friends and coworkers) that have had nothing but issues/engine failure with those. Rest of the truck seems pretty robust, just fuck that engine lol
With Regular Maintenance. This thing will run for another 200k. Biggest thing to kill 5.4 3v is lack of maintenance. I do wonder if it would have been faster and easier on your back to just lift the cab off instead. Since you replaced the engine and trans in one shot.
Obviously, this one was meticulously maintained, inside and out - but still - engine/drivetrain needs to be replaced at 200,000? This isn't the 1960's when that was considered "long-lasting"!!!
It looks like a clean truck.
Yikes. Too much money, id just do it myself
They did it themselves so labor was free. It still cost that much just in parts.
Cam phasers
I have an 05 aswell at 170,000 miles and am planning on going this route when the money and time is good. Love my truck and can't imagine going for the newer "prettier" models. They're too high maintenance and haven't proven they're loyalty as mine has.
nothing is more high maintenance than 5.4 3v...
An 05 GM truck is way easier to work on than a Ford.
True that. Pushrods for life!
I remember you doing this engine in your 2007 F150
some nice seats for the miles!
This is a perfect client, someone who loves their vehicle and is willing to put up the money to do the job right. I bet this thing will be running happily 10 years from now or more.
It is still a roll of the dice as even if the warranty is good. If there is a problem you have to do the labor again.
Worse engine ever in a ford with the 6.0 diesel being second. I have owned both but would never buy a 5.4 ever again. The 6.0 I still have and would buy again. 9K in parts on a 8K truck not a good choice. I would have dropped the 9K in a f150 with a 5.0 in it.
I have a 2010 f150 with the 5.4 and it's been pretty good. I guess the 2nd gen 5.4 was just the junky one.
6.4 is absolutely junk. Boat anchor at 150,000 miles.
@@upload15613 My 2013 with the Coyote 5.0 has 258k miles and still running great and never have to add a drop of oil between 6k changes.
Is the new 5.4 better than the old one? As I understand it the old 5.4 3 valve had smaller oil passages. Is the new 5.4 built better?
I'm not sure where people have gotten that from. The size of the oil passages were never the problem, the factory oil pump is. The backing plate on the oil pump begins to fail, causing the oil to pour back into the pan instead of being sent to the heads and timing components.
@@kingdaniel3519 Sure - that's the only problem with the 5.4 or ANY Triton engine (sarcasm)
ew 5.4 triton.
Nice job guys