90whp and 80ftlbs with a manifold swap? How much additional tuning was done after the manifolds were swapped? I feel like a bit more transparency in the tuning process after installation would give some more insight. I have these manifolds on my Gen1 with Powermax Stage 1s and didn't gain anywhere near that power. I must have faulty ones.
Full details are found in the write up here: www.full-race.com/resources/blog/Full-Race-Formline-Manifolds-vs-OEM-Log-Style-EcoBoost-3.5L-Back-to%20Back-Dyno-Test Keep in mind the gen 2 power max are much bigger turbos than gen 1 power max
@FullRaceTurbo That makes more sense. The Gen2 Powermax has the potential to flow so much more air. Do you have a favorite Gen1 exhaust? Right now I have a res delete 3" SS SPD pipe welded to stock muffler.
@FullRaceTurbo I will definitely share it and help get it out there. This type of content def helps the community grow and also helps get people to go beyond tune only to push the platform to the next level. Id love to see these mirroring the B58 platform of growth and push past where we are right now to more turbo options to 4 digit hp builds.
Those gains are not with the same tune. I get that those turbos were likely starved for flow already but those results are literally impossible without changing the calibration for increased fuel to compensate for the increased airflow.
@FullRaceTurbo Hello! You are correct, and the truck is definitely tuned, we did not hide that fact. What we are showing is a baseline vs what the manifolds allow then we compared it to a less heat-soaked run. For sure formline manifolds allow changes in the tuning side. If you read the detailed article on our website you can see there is a baseline, what the manifold allowed us to and then cooler conditions less heatsoaked run with improved engine operating conditions. Thank you for your feedback
Here's the full write up: www.full-race.com/resources/blog/Full-Race-Formline-Manifolds-vs-OEM-Log-Style-EcoBoost-3.5L-Back-to%20Back-Dyno-Test If you have any questions just let us know - we're happy to help clarify anything!
Log manifolds are TERRIBLY inefficient. A good manifold like this will really make that turbo sing. This power gain is entirely believable with a good tune.
What if you have a stock truck and you need to replace the factory manifolds but don't plan to do any tuning? Can you swap these out without changing the tune?
Yes, with the stock tune these can be swapped in just like any other part. The engine computer does not allow any power adders to increase output without a tune.
@@FullRaceTurbo I had full race manifolds power max turbos stainless works y pipe to a 3 inch cat back. K&Nintake. Nobody in Minnesota wanted to tune it. I used the truck to haul cars for my dealership. First it didn’t like the electric gate. From turbosmart so had to switch to there other one. Then when ever it would make 17psi it would start cutting power.
@@FullRaceTurbo I’m pretty sure I have data logs for the truck still if you guys want them from my build. I ended up selling the truck. It was becoming a pain.
@@minnesotawaterneckmiller5430 the tuning side of these trucks has evolved alot the last couple of years, and the mechanical work is fairly straight forward and well understood at this point. Things have gotten much better for enthusiasts
Holy Fawk. If this was true these manifolds would yield the biggest gains for the ecoboost platform beside tuning. I would have figure 10-15 hp 25-30tq on 91 octane. The gains posted here feels like E85 and revised tuning was added to the mix plus the full race manifolds.
If you look at the oem ecoboost manifolds it makes a lot of sense. Whether ecoboost 3.5 or 2.0 they are all designed for earliest possible spool and restrictive at increased power levels. Keep in mind we’re on stock fuel system and pretty much maxed on gasoline. Have a plan in place for bigger fuel system and a lot more boost
Hello and thank you for your feedback! You are 100% correct, the truck is most definitely tuned! We could have performed a stock tune run, but it would output stock HP. If you find value in knowing what a stock power level run would look like in comparison please let us know and we will keep this in mind for the next dyno session! Keep in mind all Ford engines require tuning to gain any power above stock (no matter what parts are bolted on the engine). If you improve breathing without tuning, the stock tune will maintain stock power levels by closing throttle and opening waste gates.
@@tyranicalteabagger for the 700+ level that is correct and we are building another truck for that power target (motor, trans, fuel, etc). This orange truck in the video here is a 100% stock long block with OEM fuel pumps / injectors / internals - all bolt ons! full details in the writeup here: www.full-race.com/resources/blog/Full-Race-Formline-Manifolds-vs-OEM-Log-Style-EcoBoost-3.5L-Back-to%20Back-Dyno-Test
Same FBO setup plus XDi Evo HPFP, DW400 Pump, and Running E85. No dyno numbers. Knowing the amount of feelings I've hurt has been good enough for me.
Haven't seen this big of difference since I've retired from doing this stuff, great vid😊
90whp and 80ftlbs with a manifold swap?
How much additional tuning was done after the manifolds were swapped? I feel like a bit more transparency in the tuning process after installation would give some more insight.
I have these manifolds on my Gen1 with Powermax Stage 1s and didn't gain anywhere near that power. I must have faulty ones.
Full details are found in the write up here:
www.full-race.com/resources/blog/Full-Race-Formline-Manifolds-vs-OEM-Log-Style-EcoBoost-3.5L-Back-to%20Back-Dyno-Test
Keep in mind the gen 2 power max are much bigger turbos than gen 1 power max
@FullRaceTurbo That makes more sense. The Gen2 Powermax has the potential to flow so much more air.
Do you have a favorite Gen1 exhaust? Right now I have a res delete 3" SS SPD pipe welded to stock muffler.
@@FullRaceTurbo Will you be releasing a Gen 1 Formline/Powermax combo Dyno?
@@ProjectAjaxdefinitely a possibility. I suppose if the community finds this type of content useful we will consider it!
@FullRaceTurbo I will definitely share it and help get it out there. This type of content def helps the community grow and also helps get people to go beyond tune only to push the platform to the next level. Id love to see these mirroring the B58 platform of growth and push past where we are right now to more turbo options to 4 digit hp builds.
Those gains are not with the same tune. I get that those turbos were likely starved for flow already but those results are literally impossible without changing the calibration for increased fuel to compensate for the increased airflow.
@FullRaceTurbo
Hello! You are correct, and the truck is definitely tuned, we did not hide that fact. What we are showing is a baseline vs what the manifolds allow then we compared it to a less heat-soaked run. For sure formline manifolds allow changes in the tuning side. If you read the detailed article on our website you can see there is a baseline, what the manifold allowed us to and then cooler conditions less heatsoaked run with improved engine operating conditions. Thank you for your feedback
Great work Geoff!
I'd love to see this setup now with the CRP 52mm upgrade on the powermax stage 2 turbos
Is this kit will work on other Gen2 3.5L Ecoboost like the one in 2019 Expedition?
Here for this
Hard to believe
Here's the full write up: www.full-race.com/resources/blog/Full-Race-Formline-Manifolds-vs-OEM-Log-Style-EcoBoost-3.5L-Back-to%20Back-Dyno-Test
If you have any questions just let us know - we're happy to help clarify anything!
Log manifolds are TERRIBLY inefficient. A good manifold like this will really make that turbo sing. This power gain is entirely believable with a good tune.
@@blairellis642agreed. there isn’t anything new or ground breaking here. Turbo engines love a good header!
Damn, that truck is almost too wide for the dyno
What if you have a stock truck and you need to replace the factory manifolds but don't plan to do any tuning? Can you swap these out without changing the tune?
Yes, with the stock tune these can be swapped in just like any other part. The engine computer does not allow any power adders to increase output without a tune.
Anything
for the 2.7?
Ran them on my truck. Ran out of fuel system the moment boost came on
@minnesotawaterneckmiller5430
What was your exact setup and the final boost level / power? Would love to help you get the most out of it!
@@FullRaceTurbo I had full race manifolds power max turbos stainless works y pipe to a 3 inch cat back. K&Nintake. Nobody in Minnesota wanted to tune it. I used the truck to haul cars for my dealership. First it didn’t like the electric gate. From turbosmart so had to switch to there other one. Then when ever it would make 17psi it would start cutting power.
@@FullRaceTurbo I’m pretty sure I have data logs for the truck still if you guys want them from my build. I ended up selling the truck. It was becoming a pain.
@@minnesotawaterneckmiller5430 the tuning side of these trucks has evolved alot the last couple of years, and the mechanical work is fairly straight forward and well understood at this point. Things have gotten much better for enthusiasts
Holy Fawk. If this was true these manifolds would yield the biggest gains for the ecoboost platform beside tuning. I would have figure 10-15 hp 25-30tq on 91 octane. The gains posted here feels like E85 and revised tuning was added to the mix plus the full race manifolds.
If you look at the oem ecoboost manifolds it makes a lot of sense. Whether ecoboost 3.5 or 2.0 they are all designed for earliest possible spool and restrictive at increased power levels. Keep in mind we’re on stock fuel system and pretty much maxed on gasoline. Have a plan in place for bigger fuel system and a lot more boost
@@FullRaceTurbo I appreciate the response! I hope you guys offer a setup for the 2021-2024 Raptors
@@nmotionproductions29 its in the works! we are close to releasing more info
@@FullRaceTurbo Beautiful. I look forward to the upcoming information release.
So the asphalt is 155°
Any plans for 21’ and newer 3.5?
Gen3 is in development right now!
When are you guys gonna do some GEN three stuff?
Working on it - more updates will be announced soon!
No way these numbers happen without a tune. Stock injectors would be at or near limit.
Hello and thank you for your feedback! You are 100% correct, the truck is most definitely tuned! We could have performed a stock tune run, but it would output stock HP. If you find value in knowing what a stock power level run would look like in comparison please let us know and we will keep this in mind for the next dyno session! Keep in mind all Ford engines require tuning to gain any power above stock (no matter what parts are bolted on the engine). If you improve breathing without tuning, the stock tune will maintain stock power levels by closing throttle and opening waste gates.
Any plans to touch the Ranger Raptor?
@@supralyfe1206 definitely something we're considering!
gen 1 2015 here stock on 93 stock tune i feel i dont need to be faster in a crew cab truck pulls like a train already
2013-2016 Gen1 is a great platform, and 2017+ Gen2 are even easier to go faster with!
I would have love to seen this done on a bone stock truck
On a bone stock truck it is usually best to start with intercooler. The OEM heat soaks and the engine pulls timing so you cant make power
Interesting 👍🏻
My god those things sound like chit
Is it possible make it more then 700whp i wanna faster then rapter r
F150 ecoboosts making over 850whp and in the 9s in a crew cab 4x4 right now.
Yes - the 700+ power level requires rods, pistons, gen 3 crank 4:25, and gen 3 timing chain components
@@FullRaceTurbo I assume you have to upgrade both fuel pumps and injectors along with the internals?
@@tyranicalteabagger for the 700+ level that is correct and we are building another truck for that power target (motor, trans, fuel, etc). This orange truck in the video here is a 100% stock long block with OEM fuel pumps / injectors / internals - all bolt ons! full details in the writeup here: www.full-race.com/resources/blog/Full-Race-Formline-Manifolds-vs-OEM-Log-Style-EcoBoost-3.5L-Back-to%20Back-Dyno-Test