It's always somewhat refreshing to hear somebody talk about real life, with tight budgets and whatnot and how it can actually affect gaming setups. Is this the best rig? No, of course not and that was never the intention. But for the price/performance it easily beats my current 4790k/980ti rig and for the layperson who just wants to check their email, watch UA-cam videos, and play an occasional game of Rocket League they probably wouldn't even be able to tell the difference on a standard 60hz monitor anyway.
This is one of the best PC tech channels on UA-cam. Their videos are practical and highly informational. I'm sure this video has helped a lot of people. I went with Palit GT 1030 and it has really transformed my Dell Inspiron 620s into a gaming beast. I'm loving it. So far the best upgrade for a PC that old.
did u added external PSU? i have the same pc and ppl from Toms Hardware told me i wont be able to go far than 1030gt cause its the only one with 35W TDP.. how did u managed to get 1050 and 1050ti?
PhilsComputerLab I know this is an old thread but I want to know, will the 1050 ti low profile work with the HP Elite 8100 SFF? Your system is a 8200. Also, I’ve heard from someone that plugging in a high power demand card like a 1650 did not work, why do you think that happened? Thank you
Excellent video. This is not only a great budget build video, but I love how in depth your benchmarks are. I have yet to see another channel actually include Low/Medium/High/Very High/Ultra settings FPS differences. They typically pick one setting that works best(medium for example), and perform the benchmark on all GPUs in the test and leave it at that.
This was such a well made video, you actually showed us what the pc can handle instead of just throwing pieces in and ending the video, thanks, you earned another sub.
Good project, especially because these old business PC's are very easy to find. So anyone can build a very good low end gaming pc for very little money
These old office pc's can offer quite a nice value, but i personally do not recommend a hp elite 8200 series because they use propietary mobo power connectors which means you can't upgrade the psu. Dell and Fujitsu pc's are better choice for a budget gaming build.
I agree, I just got a cheap dell optiplex 790 with very similar specs as in the video (I5-2400, 6gigram, 500gighdd), and the non-proprietary 24 pin was part of my decision-makes a much easier upgrade path..my original plan was a low profile gpu but I'm already thinking of ditching the sff case and going with a tower style case and full size graphics card etc.
Just found this video, i've been wanting to upgrade my 8200 for over a year now, thank God i've found this video. Thanks Phil! I used your affiliate link to buy my 16Gb RAM. I don.t want to use my upgraded PC for gaming, i want it for video editing 1080p videos. I hope it will make a big difference.
Excellent video Phil, up to your usual standards. More of these ex-"work" PCs are making it onto the used market so repurposing them for home productivity / gaming is apparently viable and worthwhile. You definitely deserve more subs, too.
The machine was probably held back by the GPU in games thus not allowing maximum cpu performance, but no figures of the utilisation of each component was displayed on screen so this is just a guess.
Thanks man for the vid. Helped me a lot. So many questions i had and none of the other channels solved them for me. Keep the excellent and perfect detailed work.
A similar low budget machine would be the Lenovo Thinkcentre Edge 71 and 72, they both use the same "IH61M" µATX socket 1155 motherboards with the H61 chipset and both exist in tower or SFF format. The tower allows for easy upgrades and would accept the i7 3770 for the best potential and not risking to be CPU limited with high end graphics cards. The main issues with those I would say is they only have two RAM slots, and only 170W PSUs. The one in my µATX Edge 72 is made by AcBel and was actually dead when I got it. But I put a standard ATX PSU with no problem. I'm not sure what format the PSU is in the SFF but it looks like SFX. It's made by Liteon. The HP 8200 has a stronger PSU but in a weird format which would make remplacement complicated.
I have the same pc in the video, 1050ti using the stock i5 processor and i face wattage problems with some games, the screen blinks like its turning off and on and i think its because the GPU isn't reviving enough juice
BRO THANK GOD, I fr was trying to upgrade my pc to a better graphics card but i ran to the wall because of the power supply. I have the same computer shown in this video and im trying to upgrade to a gt 730. (not much but makes a huge difference) Once i found this video i was so happy that you said its no problem at all
i have similar machine dell 990sff with I5 2500, 8gb ram, gtx 1050ti and it plays almost every game @ medium settings on full hd monitor! thanks for the nice video!
Great video! You put in a lot work into this! I had the 8200 with a 750 ti, 8 gigs of ram with a HDD. Then when the 1050 ti came out I bought that, got 16 gigs of ram and an SSD. I’ve since moved on to much better hardware but that machine started my love for PCs.
FikerzZ Gaming It’s a great gaming pc for 1080p high to ultra settings at 60 FPS. I have a Ryzen 5 with a 980 TI now. I gave that pc away to a younger relative and he still uses it daily to play AAA titles perfectly. We play PUBG together and he’s better than me lol. Search performance videos of the pc on UA-cam many channels have done videos on that exact setup. It doesn’t leave much to be desired.
I sold a dozen of 8200 and 8300 in 2018 and upgraded most of them with a 1030 for some casual gaming and multimedia. Its interesting to see that someone else had the same idea :) I put the SSD below the ODD to keep the HDD in those systems for storage.
Nice video Phil, thanks for the upload! Could you please give us a run-through of the computer that you personally use for, as well as the computer that you use for video editing please? Thanks!! :-)
I did the same exact Upgrade on my HP 8200 SFF Elite Pro - 2 1TB SSD`s , One for system , one for music, photos, Videos ect. I play Need For Speed -Most Wanted (2005) Black Edition PC on mine ..much fun !!
The Ti's seem to be all at like £160 right now, but I rescued one of these old SFF 8200s with the i5 2500 CPU from the scrap pile at work so got the cheaper 1030 for £70. After seeing this I'm thinking of upgrading to a 1050ti if any come up in the sales.
I'm so glad that i found this video through recommended, you really helped me with my PSU concerns, i was thinking about buying a 1050, but i scratched it off and settled on 1030 because it draws less power.. Well, You changed my mind! I'm gonna go with the 1050. Thank you very much, i appreciate all information i got from the vid :)
These setups can be had real cheap nowadays as well. Recently refurbished a hp 8300 (nearly identical except pcie gen 3 and USB 3.0 native support i believe) for a friend who needed something for his TAFE work. i5-3470, 8GB's RAM, 128GB SSD, 1TB Harddrive, Wifi Card and even a blu ray drive for 230 bucks including mouse keyboard and a 27inch 1080p IPS monitor. Lets just say he's one very happy camper. and if he changes his mind and wants to game a bit I can slap a graphics card in there no problem.
There're a lot of cheap options like this . i3 + 1030 + 4gb ram - i5 + gtx 1050 and 8gb ram or i7 and 1050ti.. I really like this type of pc. Great video.
Gaming Benchmarks: 3D Mark 1:17 (So it aint Mario?) Crysis 1:30 (Can it run Crysis? Yes, yes it can) Dirt 3 1:58 (Who knew soil was a good game?) Tomb Raider 2013 2:17 (That's illegal!) Bioshock Infinite 2:29 (Would you kindly hit that like button?) Rise of the Tomb Raider 2:51 (The only thing worse then going to prison for tomb raiding, is a game that raids your ancient specs!) Dirt Rally 3:13 (Like putting soil in a pot!) Deus Ex: Mankind Divided 3:28 (The only thing more divided than humanity is the benchmarks for this game!) Decided I'd give some satire humor with the timestamps :)
Nice one Phill, enjoyed the video :) I have an interesting idea that may suit your channel, in the same way Linus/LTT did 7 gamers 1PC it would be ultra cool to see a 2 gamers 1 pc budget version, perhaps the SFF would be no good as you need 2 gfx cards but with an i7, 2 x 1050/30's and 32GB RAM it seems like it would be a simple accomplishment and a very interesting video, I wonder just how cheap it could be done.
Remember that you need a hypervisor to runn both systems on. (If your idea is similar to what Linus did in hos 7 gamer,1 compuer build. They used unRAID which has a 30 day trail and the besic version priced at $59)
Nice idea... I would like to see it too... but the CPU needs to support Virtualization AND the ability to Pass-through the hardware (Intel chip needs vt-x and vt-d) I am unsure about early i5 as well as early i7... however, I have a 2 gamers, 1 CPU setup with unraid on my i7 gen 3 (i7 3770) using an Nvidia GTX 750ti and a GT X750 (older GPU's will have problems due to lack of UEFI support) ...@PhilsComputerLab, I am also in Australia :P
yep, both 2nd gen i5/7's support VT-x ark.intel.com/products/52213/Intel-Core-i7-2600-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-3_80-GHz I am actually fairly sure they have since the i7-950 time as I was using them for Xen PV/HVM back then in 2011. I imagine Phil already has all the kit he needs laying around, a motherboard with 2 x 16x PCIe slots would be a big advantage though, the i7 would be better than the i5 so that way you can pin 2 physical and 2 logical cores/4threads to each virtual desktop environment for performance. I have plenty of experience in this sort of thing, just not the gaming rig side of things so if you do want to make this video and need any assistance feel free to hit me up.
This is a great video & topic! There's tons of these old office PCs that go on the scrap heap every day, which is such a shame seeing they could still provide decent performance. I must commend you on the beautiful graphs. Very simple and easy to follow, and they clearly show where the value is to be had. You did an awesome job on those, kudos! :) This is definitely where budget shopping should be at; repurposing old hardware. Far too many people don't think and go buy a crippled Ryzen 3 or something similar, when you could easily get both better performance and value by looking at older PCs and add some intelligent upgrades. Keep up the great work, Phil. Thoroughly enjoyed this one. :)
Hey, I just wanted to know what happened to your PC after use. I know that the PSU is 240 watts and the graphics card is 300 watts and I just wanted to know if your PC is okay. I got the same specs and I realized after ordering the GPU that it needs 300 watts. Cheers!
I know im super late, but i'll respond anyway. Don't worry about the PSU with only a 1050ti. You could overclock it and in a few drives and it would still be fine. Personally, I run a RX 470 which is even more power hungry than the gtx 1060 and while I do have to downclock it a bit, the PSU is still going strong even after some abuse.
You could even install the SSD underneath the CDROM, and use a bracket to make it fit the 3,5" slot. This way you could keep both storage devices. The mainboard features 4 SATA connections, and even has RAID. Great little machine....
I have the tower version of this desktop. Same specs, just bigger. It's currently running. GTX 2080 (Was running a 1080 until recently), has 24GB of RAM, upgraded 600 Watt PSU, 1 500GB hard drive, 1 4TB external HDD, And a 250GB SSD. Almost every single triple A game even now is able to run at 50-60 fps on ultra settings at 1440p. Even demanding games like RDR2 run perfect at maxed settings. I built the entire thing for 400 bucks. The set up even runs VR smoothly with my Meta Quest 2
I agree with using older CPUs with way more powerful GPUs, when the next generation of GPUs releases, then running a Navi or 1180t/2600ki, will generate better framerates than using a 1080ti with a Lake CPU.(at least close enough). So if you like your processor, than keep it and just keep upgrading the GPU.
After I upgraded the RAM to 20GB in my HP 8200, it seemed to get stuck in a suspend state and would refuse to boot until I removed all DIMMs, powered on the machine, waited for the error beeps and powered off, then reinstalled them. Upgrading the BIOS to the latest version fixed this issue.
Cheers for this - I've now put a Zotac GTX 1650 Low Profile card into my i7-3770 8 GB Elite and paired it with an AOC 75Hz Freesync monitor and I'm regularly getting 75fps at Ultra or High settings - MSI Afterburner keeps the fan speed and noise down - next step is to pop an SSD in
I work at an apple store and my eyes have recently been opened to the beauty of being able to upgrade PCs like the HP 6200 I just bought for $30. Cannot wait to start making some upgrades and recording music on this beast! Thank you for your videos!! 🖤✨
Great video, your video is exactly what I needed. I am currently building a value gaming pc from a HP Elitedesk 800 SFF with i5-4570, 8GB ram, 240GB SSD and thinking of the low profile gtx 1050ti and the low profile gtx 1650. They are very close in price now, and seeing them between $AUD 259 to $AUD 329. I too would be interested in a review of the GTX 1650 low profile. Really enjoying what you're doing in these videos.
I'm running the same computer and the I7 gave it a nice kick in the pants as well as the ram. I put a RS 230 card in it, meh. A1050 ti would only geve me %660 more video power. Thank you for showing me the power supply can keep up.
Nice video as always. I'd love to see these cards tested like this on some older systems like C2D or Phenom. Core 2 systems and cpus are so cheap and plentiful atm I think it'd be pretty valuable information to see where they start bottle-necking modern GPUs.
Thanks a lot for the video!! Since I found these small OEMS, I bought a Elitedesk with i7-4770,16GB,1050Ti,1TB SSD,2TB HDD AND new1440p screen for half the price of my Dell XPS Laptop (which was rubbish!!!) Now I will do a “ultimate” Budget build for my 14y nephew. Hp8200, i5-2400,8GB,1030 for less than 120£:) Again thanks a lot for your inspiration!!
Fantastic content. This was extremely helpful. The prices on the components have come down in the last year, and are cheaper here state side than they are in Oz. I believe this will be my next build.
Nice video mate. I have just got one of these machines. No cpu, ram or hard drives and very very dusty! Will be a good project as parts are just arriving. Thanks for the inspiration.
I have the desktop version of the 8200 (with the i7-2600). I've since upgraded everything so the only thing left is literally the case, lol (I like the simple, solid HP design). I had the 2600 paired with a r9 380 and 32GB ram (only because I got a good deal on the ram used - 16GB would have been plenty) and a 256GB SSD. It was great for a couple of years and only recently upgraded. For those wondering about upgrading to a standard ATX powersupply, you can buy adapter cables on ebay for a few dollars BUT be careful to check the wiring before using it. The one I bought had one of the mobo plugs wired incorrectly but it was easy to fix by comparing it to the original PSU wiring. These motherboards don't only have unconventional power sockets, they also have changes to the voltage (standby is +12v, not +5v) so a voltage booster is needed to get them working with a regular PSU, even if you do the wiring yourself.
Sorry I'm not too knowledgeable on this, but when HP's website says 8200 SSD up to 160gb are they referring to the versions they sell? Or is the "SSD up to 160gb" the max amount of SSD capacity you can install on this 8200? I noticed he mentioned his 3rd recommended upgrade up to 240gb and also a lot of people here in the comments mention to upgrade it to 256gb SSD. So I can install any GB amount of SSD? Or does it have a limit? Thank you for any help you can provide.
Thank you so much for this video. I am limited in terms of money but I am looking to get into PC gaming. I had heard that a SFF PC like the 8200 was the best way to get into it for a decent price, but nobody else had made a video as comprehensive as yours which discussed the best compatible GPUs. Your comments on the CPU in particular were very helpful, since I was wondering whether to upgrade the stock i5 it comes with (an i5 - 2500 in my case). After seeing your video I don't think I'll bother with a new CPU for gaming and just stick to slapping a 1050 ti in there and adding some RAM. These types of videos are a good counter to the argument that PC gaming has to be incredibly expensive. Since a build like this would be around £600-£700 for a premade PC, it's good to know that if you do it this way it can be done for less than £300 even with a 1050 ti (new 1050 ti is £150 in the UK). I was one of the long time console owners that thought those premade prices were representative of the cost of PC gaming before I dug a little deeper, so I'm glad channels such as yours are around to help new people like me out.
Which 1050ti is it? I have no clue if the Zotac one would fit or not, I've spent 5 HOURS trying to figure out but literally I can't find the answer ANYWHERE! I just want to know if the damn Zotac GTX 1050ti low profile would fit inside this PC like the Gigabyte and MSI ones do too.
I am watching this on my HP 8200 with the i5 2500, 8 GBs of RAM and the GT 1030. So far I am very happy with it. Nice to know I can upgrade without a problem to a 1050 or 1050 Ti if I find a good deal on one.
These HP Elite 8200s are everywhere online, especially eBay. I was thinking about getting one for my grandma so it's good to know that it's quite upgrade-able :)
Can see the amount of effort you put into this. Superb! I've been doing similar - but with the Dell Optiplex 790 (I7 2660) and Dell 7010 (I7 3770) with 16Gb DDR3 in those and a low profile 1050TI they absolutely rock along.
Had a 8200 SFF with an i7-2600 and 8GB of memory lying around, and I just bought a 1050 Ti after seeing that the powersupply can handle it. Thanks a lot for your video. Really looking forward to upgrade this thing into a small sleeper gaming device.
cheers mate! Managed to pick up two HP elite machines recently, one for my girlfriend & another for her roomate. We salvaged some extra RAM(8 GBs) for each PC & two SSDs, along with the 500GB HDDs that the computers come with. Was really concerned if the PCs would handle a 1050 or if we'd have to stoop to a 1030 due to the power draw. Really put my mind on ease with this video! They'll mostly be using the PCs for productivity tasks, such as PS, Word & general browsing, but hopefully with this setup, I can introduce them to some games aswell ;)
I have a friend with that system and he has a Low Profile GTX1650 in it with an I7-3770K 16GB of Ram. Its interesting how you both very similar upgrades. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. 👍🙂👍
Excellent video. Answered exactly the question I was asking about what to do with an HP 8200 elite. Done the hackingtosh thing now want to make a gaming machine.
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Your videos look really professional and I like them. Can you do a video about your camera, lights and other equipment? Your setup etc.
My Pentium G4560 and my overclocked Inno3D GTX 1050 Ti (without the 6pin) scores 6697 in Fire Strike, impressive to see the old i7-2600 still capable today with the 6751 score.
Reminds me of my first modern PC (which was modern at its time, and could actually go into the internet.). I bought it in 2009 and it is an IBM Thinkcentre M55 SFF PC with 1 GB of RAM, integrated video and the C2D E4300. I upgraded it to the highest possible specs: i tape-modded the 4300 to 2.4 Ghz, which is about the same as the E6600, which was the best CPU for this machine, newer duos and / or quads don't work because it has a very old chipset, upgraded the RAM to 16GB and I even put in a GT210 which I modded to PCIe x1, because X16 cards don't fit. It worked great for older games :) Even if many people hate the GF210, and it is iconic for its low performance, it was great at its time, like the GT1030 is now, because most games ran well on low settings on a 1024 monitor.
I love the graphs! But I'm colorblind so the colors you chose were absolute hell to work out :D Great video. Makes me wish the SFF PCs I have around contain more than Intel e series and core 2 CPU's with DDR2 ram :(
Just found this video and just wanted to say that this is what I'm running and they are indeed very nice pc's for people on a budget. Mine came with a 4GB of RAM and 2600. I added a 250GB ssd, a 1TB hdd and 750ti and was very happy gaming at 1080p. However, I did have to upgrade to a RX 470 once I got an ultrawide monitor. Since I'm still very happy with how it runs, I'll be keeping this whole set up another year and then I'll see about upgrading.
Excellent presentation, I just bought a refurbished 8300 with 8 gigs memory and win10 prof for 200 dollars, usa, you presentation was very good, and the best was no music to distract, I am very happy with mine, I do not play games, but do a lot of video editing using Power Director 14, works great and fast....thanks again
Dude, it's been a little over a year and a half since you uploaded this video, but damn, I'm glad I found it.
It's always somewhat refreshing to hear somebody talk about real life, with tight budgets and whatnot and how it can actually affect gaming setups. Is this the best rig? No, of course not and that was never the intention. But for the price/performance it easily beats my current 4790k/980ti rig and for the layperson who just wants to check their email, watch UA-cam videos, and play an occasional game of Rocket League they probably wouldn't even be able to tell the difference on a standard 60hz monitor anyway.
thank you
So much this!
Preach 🙌
Also the fact that mb we don't want have gianormous desktops and a power supply that rivals my rice cooker.....
Like my parents boughtcrappier version of that pc and was depressed now I have hope
What’s funny is only Australian’s will have watched this as soon as it’s uploaded because its the correct time zone for us. *Shoutout to NSW*
Im from Germany and watching ;)
SA1278 Wow, what time is it for you?
I live in the US. I just tend to just be getting off of work when Phil uploads. Although I work 2PM to 11 PM which is about 5PM AET.
XanCrews oh wow, cool. Good luck with the rest of your day
QLD is the best but I moved to SA
This is one of the best PC tech channels on UA-cam. Their videos are practical and highly informational. I'm sure this video has helped a lot of people. I went with Palit GT 1030 and it has really transformed my Dell Inspiron 620s into a gaming beast. I'm loving it. So far the best upgrade for a PC that old.
Nice video on the HP 8200 :) That low profile 1050 is pretty cool, i hadn't seen that one before, you have a knack of finding parts
I wasn't able to get low profile card, so I used a PCIe riser cable. But the prices shown are for low profile cards.
did u added external PSU? i have the same pc and ppl from Toms Hardware told me i wont be able to go far than 1030gt cause its the only one with 35W TDP..
how did u managed to get 1050 and 1050ti?
PhilsComputerLab I have an hp 8100 sff that is this except for the couch upgrade the motherboard socket is 1156 not 1155 for a i7 2600
PhilsComputerLab I know this is an old thread but I want to know, will the 1050 ti low profile work with the HP Elite 8100 SFF? Your system is a 8200.
Also, I’ve heard from someone that plugging in a high power demand card like a 1650 did not work, why do you think that happened?
Thank you
Excellent video.
This is not only a great budget build video, but I love how in depth your benchmarks are. I have yet to see another channel actually include Low/Medium/High/Very High/Ultra settings FPS differences. They typically pick one setting that works best(medium for example), and perform the benchmark on all GPUs in the test and leave it at that.
Dude thank you so much I was a little stressed whether this would work, you totally eased my mind.
"I sold out quite a bit" XD
gotta pay da bills
My 8200: i5-3570, 16GB RAM, GTX 1050 Ti, 128GB SSD, 1T HDD
Keijo 420 Nice.
Sounds like an 8300
Does it use the 250 W default PSU?
Keijo 420 I'm what kind of ram. Like I'm building the maxxed out version like he said. So I wanted to know
Sounds pretty sick
This was such a well made video, you actually showed us what the pc can handle instead of just throwing pieces in and ending the video, thanks, you earned another sub.
Good project, especially because these old business PC's are very easy to find. So anyone can build a very good low end gaming pc for very little money
They last quite a while even under neglected and dirty conditions
😂😂😂😂😂
And here I am watching it after 3 years
These old office pc's can offer quite a nice value, but i personally do not recommend a hp elite 8200 series because they use propietary mobo power connectors which means you can't upgrade the psu. Dell and Fujitsu pc's are better choice for a budget gaming build.
Most of SFF PCs use proprietary connectors on the mobo, however you can easily get an adaptor for a few bucks.
I actually bought an adaptor but it didn't work for some reason
Spurde Spärde Are you sure it was for your PC and not for a similiar model?
I agree, I just got a cheap dell optiplex 790 with very similar specs as in the video (I5-2400, 6gigram, 500gighdd), and the non-proprietary 24 pin was part of my decision-makes a much easier upgrade path..my original plan was a low profile gpu but I'm already thinking of ditching the sff case and going with a tower style case and full size graphics card etc.
it was for 8200 series, it gave power to the pc because fans were spinning, but it just didn't boot.
Just found this video, i've been wanting to upgrade my 8200 for over a year now, thank God i've found this video. Thanks Phil! I used your affiliate link to buy my 16Gb RAM. I don.t want to use my upgraded PC for gaming, i want it for video editing 1080p videos. I hope it will make a big difference.
Enjoy!
Excellent video Phil, up to your usual standards. More of these ex-"work" PCs are making it onto the used market so repurposing them for home productivity / gaming is apparently viable and worthwhile. You definitely deserve more subs, too.
Rewatching again. Thanks for all the hard work in putting the video together!
Great video, actually i using a i5 2400, GTX 750 and 8 GB of RAM and it works fine for me! :D
Nicolas i upgrade my 750 1gb to 1050 2gb and its worth upgrading
The source of mine is of 250w will be that it will withstand the gtx 750 you ??
@@NinjaGamerReidopvp can it run fortnite at decent fps
Wow I really didn't expect the difference between the 2400 and 2600 to so small.
The machine was probably held back by the GPU in games thus not allowing maximum cpu performance, but no figures of the utilisation of each component was displayed on screen so this is just a guess.
man i remember the 1050 and 1050Ti weren't that different in price, now that GPU prices are sky high.
Thanks man for the vid. Helped me a lot. So many questions i had and none of the other channels solved them for me. Keep the excellent and perfect detailed work.
A similar low budget machine would be the Lenovo Thinkcentre Edge 71 and 72, they both use the same "IH61M" µATX socket 1155 motherboards with the H61 chipset and both exist in tower or SFF format. The tower allows for easy upgrades and would accept the i7 3770 for the best potential and not risking to be CPU limited with high end graphics cards.
The main issues with those I would say is they only have two RAM slots, and only 170W PSUs. The one in my µATX Edge 72 is made by AcBel and was actually dead when I got it. But I put a standard ATX PSU with no problem.
I'm not sure what format the PSU is in the SFF but it looks like SFX. It's made by Liteon.
The HP 8200 has a stronger PSU but in a weird format which would make remplacement complicated.
I have the same pc in the video, 1050ti using the stock i5 processor and i face wattage problems with some games, the screen blinks like its turning off and on and i think its because the GPU isn't reviving enough juice
BRO THANK GOD, I fr was trying to upgrade my pc to a better graphics card but i ran to the wall because of the power supply. I have the same computer shown in this video and im trying to upgrade to a gt 730. (not much but makes a huge difference) Once i found this video i was so happy that you said its no problem at all
i have similar machine dell 990sff with I5 2500, 8gb ram, gtx 1050ti and it plays almost every game @ medium settings on full hd monitor!
thanks for the nice video!
Thanks for the hard work, and excellent driving on that dirt rally course!
Great video! You put in a lot work into this! I had the 8200 with a 750 ti, 8 gigs of ram with a HDD. Then when the 1050 ti came out I bought that, got 16 gigs of ram and an SSD. I’ve since moved on to much better hardware but that machine started my love for PCs.
Jose Ahumada Glad you're enjoying PC gaming mate. Mine was a 486DX 66 MHz running Doom. Never looked back
How does it run for you? How long have you used the PC?
FikerzZ Gaming It’s a great gaming pc for 1080p high to ultra settings at 60 FPS. I have a Ryzen 5 with a 980 TI now. I gave that pc away to a younger relative and he still uses it daily to play AAA titles perfectly. We play PUBG together and he’s better than me lol. Search performance videos of the pc on UA-cam many channels have done videos on that exact setup. It doesn’t leave much to be desired.
What exact RAM did you use? Tell me the full specs of the memory
Jose Ahumada Bro Do zotac gtx 1050Ti oc edition fits in it plzz respond
I sold a dozen of 8200 and 8300 in 2018 and upgraded most of them with a 1030 for some casual gaming and multimedia. Its interesting to see that someone else had the same idea :)
I put the SSD below the ODD to keep the HDD in those systems for storage.
you still selling them ? fit with 1030 cards?
Nice video Phil, thanks for the upload! Could you please give us a run-through of the computer that you personally use for, as well as the computer that you use for video editing please?
Thanks!! :-)
Andrew Jackson I would also like to second this notion.
I know it was some work to get all these results but the video came out fluidity. Great work
SSD is the best option to make the PC faster
only if you are concerned with booting time and application loading time. Performance after the app is loaded doesn't change much
@@cyberman7348 load times can be quite awful some times on this one though
I did the same exact Upgrade on my HP 8200 SFF Elite Pro - 2 1TB SSD`s , One for system , one for music, photos, Videos ect. I play Need For Speed -Most Wanted (2005) Black Edition PC on mine ..much fun !!
If you live in the UK the GTX 1050 Ti is a clear winner @ £135 unless you are broke then get a 1030 for 60 quid
NO, if you are broke you look for second hand GTX 950/760 and get ~1050 performance at half price
£135? Where?.
The Ti's seem to be all at like £160 right now, but I rescued one of these old SFF 8200s with the i5 2500 CPU from the scrap pile at work so got the cheaper 1030 for £70. After seeing this I'm thinking of upgrading to a 1050ti if any come up in the sales.
I'm so glad that i found this video through recommended, you really helped me with my PSU concerns, i was thinking about buying a 1050, but i scratched it off and settled on 1030 because it draws less power..
Well, You changed my mind!
I'm gonna go with the 1050.
Thank you very much, i appreciate all information i got from the vid :)
Do you have to get a low profile gtx 1050 ?
@@andreas3850 yes or it won't fit in
@@ShaileshContents Don't know ,never bought it.
PSU 8:29 🤙
ive had a hp compaq unit like this one for 3 years now and i just now found this video. i didnt know this thing had so much potential thanks
My high school has a lot of those computers.
Lots of the time schools have some that they don't use that they could give away so It's worth asking
Take it
These setups can be had real cheap nowadays as well. Recently refurbished a hp 8300 (nearly identical except pcie gen 3 and USB 3.0 native support i believe) for a friend who needed something for his TAFE work.
i5-3470, 8GB's RAM, 128GB SSD, 1TB Harddrive, Wifi Card and even a blu ray drive for 230 bucks including mouse keyboard and a 27inch 1080p IPS monitor.
Lets just say he's one very happy camper.
and if he changes his mind and wants to game a bit I can slap a graphics card in there no problem.
You can put a 1650 inside.
I put RTX a2000😊
Waoh this has got to be the best video / review I have found for any budget gaming PC. Thank you very much !!
Could you please do a video on updating the bios on these old HPs I keep trying and nothing works with windows 10
Did u find a solution, I have the same problem.
There're a lot of cheap options like this . i3 + 1030 + 4gb ram - i5 + gtx 1050 and 8gb ram or i7 and 1050ti.. I really like this type of pc. Great video.
Gaming Benchmarks:
3D Mark 1:17 (So it aint Mario?)
Crysis 1:30 (Can it run Crysis? Yes, yes it can)
Dirt 3 1:58 (Who knew soil was a good game?)
Tomb Raider 2013 2:17 (That's illegal!)
Bioshock Infinite 2:29 (Would you kindly hit that like button?)
Rise of the Tomb Raider 2:51 (The only thing worse then going to prison for tomb raiding, is a game that raids your ancient specs!)
Dirt Rally 3:13 (Like putting soil in a pot!)
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided 3:28 (The only thing more divided than humanity is the benchmarks for this game!)
Decided I'd give some satire humor with the timestamps :)
😂
Your reviews are certainly PRO grade. Great job. Cheers, M
I have a hp Compaq 8200 with an i5 2500 and a 240w PSU can I handle a 1050ti lp or even a gt1030lp since the i5 2500 is a 95w processer
I have the same pc as you with 240W and i'm using a gtx 1650 low profile and it's working perfectly and there is some watts left
I remember these being in the school library. I'm thinking about getting one of these for nostalgia.
Nice one Phill, enjoyed the video :) I have an interesting idea that may suit your channel, in the same way Linus/LTT did 7 gamers 1PC it would be ultra cool to see a 2 gamers 1 pc budget version, perhaps the SFF would be no good as you need 2 gfx cards but with an i7, 2 x 1050/30's and 32GB RAM it seems like it would be a simple accomplishment and a very interesting video, I wonder just how cheap it could be done.
Remember that you need a hypervisor to runn both systems on. (If your idea is similar to what Linus did in hos 7 gamer,1 compuer build. They used unRAID which has a 30 day trail and the besic version priced at $59)
Nice idea... I would like to see it too... but the CPU needs to support Virtualization AND the ability to Pass-through the hardware (Intel chip needs vt-x and vt-d) I am unsure about early i5 as well as early i7... however, I have a 2 gamers, 1 CPU setup with unraid on my i7 gen 3 (i7 3770) using an Nvidia GTX 750ti and a GT X750 (older GPU's will have problems due to lack of UEFI support) ...@PhilsComputerLab, I am also in Australia :P
yep, both 2nd gen i5/7's support VT-x ark.intel.com/products/52213/Intel-Core-i7-2600-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-3_80-GHz I am actually fairly sure they have since the i7-950 time as I was using them for Xen PV/HVM back then in 2011.
I imagine Phil already has all the kit he needs laying around, a motherboard with 2 x 16x PCIe slots would be a big advantage though, the i7 would be better than the i5 so that way you can pin 2 physical and 2 logical cores/4threads to each virtual desktop environment for performance.
I have plenty of experience in this sort of thing, just not the gaming rig side of things so if you do want to make this video and need any assistance feel free to hit me up.
I had a look, and although I have all the hardware needed, the software setup put me right off. VMs and all of that, it's just not my thing :D
much disappoint :(
This is a great video & topic!
There's tons of these old office PCs that go on the scrap heap every day, which is such a shame seeing they could still provide decent performance.
I must commend you on the beautiful graphs. Very simple and easy to follow, and they clearly show where the value is to be had. You did an awesome job on those, kudos! :)
This is definitely where budget shopping should be at; repurposing old hardware. Far too many people don't think and go buy a crippled Ryzen 3 or something similar, when you could easily get both better performance and value by looking at older PCs and add some intelligent upgrades.
Keep up the great work, Phil. Thoroughly enjoyed this one. :)
Thank you man!
Hey, I just wanted to know what happened to your PC after use. I know that the PSU is 240 watts and the graphics card is 300 watts and I just wanted to know if your PC is okay. I got the same specs and I realized after ordering the GPU that it needs 300 watts. Cheers!
The GTX 1050 Ti uses only 75W max. Watch the video, I cover power draw very well.
recommended psu 300watts
Glenn Jewk watch his video. You're not drawing that much power even during a full load
I know im super late, but i'll respond anyway. Don't worry about the PSU with only a 1050ti. You could overclock it and in a few drives and it would still be fine. Personally, I run a RX 470 which is even more power hungry than the gtx 1060 and while I do have to downclock it a bit, the PSU is still going strong even after some abuse.
Carlos Wow can you make a video how does it look puting a gtx1060 .,
You could even install the SSD underneath the CDROM, and use a bracket to make it fit the 3,5" slot. This way you could keep both storage devices. The mainboard features 4 SATA connections, and even has RAID. Great little machine....
What kind of ram did you use?
Ddr3
I have the tower version of this desktop. Same specs, just bigger. It's currently running. GTX 2080 (Was running a 1080 until recently), has 24GB of RAM, upgraded 600 Watt PSU, 1 500GB hard drive, 1 4TB external HDD, And a 250GB SSD. Almost every single triple A game even now is able to run at 50-60 fps on ultra settings at 1440p. Even demanding games like RDR2 run perfect at maxed settings. I built the entire thing for 400 bucks. The set up even runs VR smoothly with my Meta Quest 2
The 2600 works nice with a 1060 6GB.
but that wouldn' fit the case
I agree with using older CPUs with way more powerful GPUs, when the next generation of GPUs releases, then running a Navi or 1180t/2600ki, will generate better framerates than using a 1080ti with a Lake CPU.(at least close enough). So if you like your processor, than keep it and just keep upgrading the GPU.
they have a mini 1060
can always get different one like I did
SΛ1278 ok
I have this exact model and I do plan to get the upgrades it can get eventually or at least someday lol
if i bought HP Elite 8000, can i upgrade the processer to i5 2400?
No
After I upgraded the RAM to 20GB in my HP 8200, it seemed to get stuck in a suspend state and would refuse to boot until I removed all DIMMs, powered on the machine, waited for the error beeps and powered off, then reinstalled them. Upgrading the BIOS to the latest version fixed this issue.
Sometimes pressing the button on the motherboard to reset CMOS can fix such issues!
hello, i wanted to know if its possible to put a i7 3770 on this pc
yes it possible
Cheers for this - I've now put a Zotac GTX 1650 Low Profile card into my i7-3770 8 GB Elite and paired it with an AOC 75Hz Freesync monitor and I'm regularly getting 75fps at Ultra or High settings - MSI Afterburner keeps the fan speed and noise down - next step is to pop an SSD in
Nice! The 1650 is the fastest LP card at the moment, so well done!
I5 2400 CPU gskill16gb ram evgagtx760sc GPU corsair 600w PSU
MY SPECS ^
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In sff?
I work at an apple store and my eyes have recently been opened to the beauty of being able to upgrade PCs like the HP 6200 I just bought for $30. Cannot wait to start making some upgrades and recording music on this beast! Thank you for your videos!! 🖤✨
Awesome video and great detail, thank you! I am currently upgrading my compaq elite 8000 SFF and this video is very helpful.
great info man, thank you
wow your videos are the best! no bullsh*t just straight into those lovely charts of performance with different options. GREAT!!!
Excellent comparisons expertly explained. Top man!
Great video, your video is exactly what I needed. I am currently building a value gaming pc from a HP Elitedesk 800 SFF with i5-4570, 8GB ram, 240GB SSD and thinking of the low profile gtx 1050ti and the low profile gtx 1650. They are very close in price now, and seeing them between $AUD 259 to $AUD 329. I too would be interested in a review of the GTX 1650 low profile. Really enjoying what you're doing in these videos.
i find it fascinating when people upgrade these older desktop PCs
I'm running the same computer and the I7 gave it a nice kick in the pants as well as the ram. I put a RS 230 card in it, meh. A1050 ti would only geve me %660 more video power. Thank you for showing me the power supply can keep up.
Nice video as always. I'd love to see these cards tested like this on some older systems like C2D or Phenom. Core 2 systems and cpus are so cheap and plentiful atm I think it'd be pretty valuable information to see where they start bottle-necking modern GPUs.
Thanks a lot for the video!!
Since I found these small OEMS, I bought a Elitedesk with i7-4770,16GB,1050Ti,1TB SSD,2TB HDD AND new1440p screen for half the price of my Dell XPS Laptop (which was rubbish!!!)
Now I will do a “ultimate” Budget build for my 14y nephew. Hp8200, i5-2400,8GB,1030 for less than 120£:)
Again thanks a lot for your inspiration!!
Fantastic content. This was extremely helpful. The prices on the components have come down in the last year, and are cheaper here state side than they are in Oz. I believe this will be my next build.
Nice video mate. I have just got one of these machines. No cpu, ram or hard drives and very very dusty! Will be a good project as parts are just arriving. Thanks for the inspiration.
Excellent job! Thank you so much. This was very helpful!
Great work, very well presented and informative,thanks for this.
I have the desktop version of the 8200 (with the i7-2600). I've since upgraded everything so the only thing left is literally the case, lol (I like the simple, solid HP design). I had the 2600 paired with a r9 380 and 32GB ram (only because I got a good deal on the ram used - 16GB would have been plenty) and a 256GB SSD. It was great for a couple of years and only recently upgraded.
For those wondering about upgrading to a standard ATX powersupply, you can buy adapter cables on ebay for a few dollars BUT be careful to check the wiring before using it. The one I bought had one of the mobo plugs wired incorrectly but it was easy to fix by comparing it to the original PSU wiring. These motherboards don't only have unconventional power sockets, they also have changes to the voltage (standby is +12v, not +5v) so a voltage booster is needed to get them working with a regular PSU, even if you do the wiring yourself.
Sorry I'm not too knowledgeable on this, but when HP's website says 8200 SSD up to 160gb are they referring to the versions they sell? Or is the "SSD up to 160gb" the max amount of SSD capacity you can install on this 8200? I noticed he mentioned his 3rd recommended upgrade up to 240gb and also a lot of people here in the comments mention to upgrade it to 256gb SSD. So I can install any GB amount of SSD? Or does it have a limit? Thank you for any help you can provide.
I really liked your testing methodology! Excellent video, good graphs! I’d love to see more with 4k comparisons included for reference as well. Cheers
I've got nothing with 4K, like monitors.
great video as always, love you content!
Thank you so much for this video. I am limited in terms of money but I am looking to get into PC gaming. I had heard that a SFF PC like the 8200 was the best way to get into it for a decent price, but nobody else had made a video as comprehensive as yours which discussed the best compatible GPUs. Your comments on the CPU in particular were very helpful, since I was wondering whether to upgrade the stock i5 it comes with (an i5 - 2500 in my case). After seeing your video I don't think I'll bother with a new CPU for gaming and just stick to slapping a 1050 ti in there and adding some RAM.
These types of videos are a good counter to the argument that PC gaming has to be incredibly expensive. Since a build like this would be around £600-£700 for a premade PC, it's good to know that if you do it this way it can be done for less than £300 even with a 1050 ti (new 1050 ti is £150 in the UK). I was one of the long time console owners that thought those premade prices were representative of the cost of PC gaming before I dug a little deeper, so I'm glad channels such as yours are around to help new people like me out.
Thank you!
Which 1050ti is it? I have no clue if the Zotac one would fit or not, I've spent 5 HOURS trying to figure out but literally I can't find the answer ANYWHERE! I just want to know if the damn Zotac GTX 1050ti low profile would fit inside this PC like the Gigabyte and MSI ones do too.
I am watching this on my HP 8200 with the i5 2500, 8 GBs of RAM and the GT 1030. So far I am very happy with it. Nice to know I can upgrade without a problem to a 1050 or 1050 Ti if I find a good deal on one.
These HP Elite 8200s are everywhere online, especially eBay.
I was thinking about getting one for my grandma so it's good to know that it's quite upgrade-able :)
Can see the amount of effort you put into this. Superb! I've been doing similar - but with the Dell Optiplex 790 (I7 2660) and Dell 7010 (I7 3770) with 16Gb DDR3 in those and a low profile 1050TI they absolutely rock along.
Had a 8200 SFF with an i7-2600 and 8GB of memory lying around, and I just bought a 1050 Ti after seeing that the powersupply can handle it. Thanks a lot for your video. Really looking forward to upgrade this thing into a small sleeper gaming device.
Scheroemer Nice!
Which brand of GTX 1050ti is it? I need to know if the Zotac one will fit in this PC or not.
Still some excellent information. Thanks!!!
cheers mate! Managed to pick up two HP elite machines recently, one for my girlfriend & another for her roomate. We salvaged some extra RAM(8 GBs) for each PC & two SSDs, along with the 500GB HDDs that the computers come with. Was really concerned if the PCs would handle a 1050 or if we'd have to stoop to a 1030 due to the power draw. Really put my mind on ease with this video! They'll mostly be using the PCs for productivity tasks, such as PS, Word & general browsing, but hopefully with this setup, I can introduce them to some games aswell ;)
I have a friend with that system and he has a Low Profile GTX1650 in it with an I7-3770K 16GB of Ram. Its interesting how you both very similar upgrades. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. 👍🙂👍
Excellent video. Answered exactly the question I was asking about what to do with an HP 8200 elite. Done the hackingtosh thing now want to make a gaming machine.
Your videos look really professional and I like them. Can you do a video about your camera, lights and other equipment? Your setup etc.
Great video Phil, That had to be time consuming to run all those benchmarks and upgrade pathways.
My Pentium G4560 and my overclocked Inno3D GTX 1050 Ti (without the 6pin) scores 6697 in Fire Strike, impressive to see the old i7-2600 still capable today with the 6751 score.
I'm upgrading to the GTX 1050ti :) also upping my ram to 16gb.
Also because of your videos I bought an HP Compaq 8200 around may of this year.
Cursed Khien hello
Reminds me of my first modern PC (which was modern at its time, and could actually go into the internet.).
I bought it in 2009 and it is an IBM Thinkcentre M55 SFF PC with 1 GB of RAM, integrated video and the C2D E4300.
I upgraded it to the highest possible specs: i tape-modded the 4300 to 2.4 Ghz, which is about the same as the E6600, which was the best CPU for this machine, newer duos and / or quads don't work because it has a very old chipset, upgraded the RAM to 16GB and I even put in a GT210 which I modded to PCIe x1, because X16 cards don't fit. It worked great for older games :) Even if many people hate the GF210, and it is iconic for its low performance, it was great at its time, like the GT1030 is now, because most games ran well on low settings on a 1024 monitor.
Great informative video on your desktop upgrade at different levels and cost great job thanks very much.
I love the graphs! But I'm colorblind so the colors you chose were absolute hell to work out :D
Great video. Makes me wish the SFF PCs I have around contain more than Intel e series and core 2 CPU's with DDR2 ram :(
Brilliant video. Forwarded to hardware unboxed as they said 1650 was a waste of money. But not if they have a sff version!!!
Tbh this video helps mainly so I don't break the bank trying to get q new pc when I can keep the one I have and upgrading it
Just found this video and just wanted to say that this is what I'm running and they are indeed very nice pc's for people on a budget. Mine came with a 4GB of RAM and 2600. I added a 250GB ssd, a 1TB hdd and 750ti and was very happy gaming at 1080p. However, I did have to upgrade to a RX 470 once I got an ultrawide monitor. Since I'm still very happy with how it runs, I'll be keeping this whole set up another year and then I'll see about upgrading.
I have an 8100 with a i5-750, 4 gigs of ram, a Radeon HD 6450 and a 1tb hdd but I plan to upgrade soon :)
Great video, Phil!
+PhilsComputerLab
Loved the video. Of course these insights apply to other systems as well.
FINALLY. A computer just like mine!
Great Video! I did a similar build but with a HP Elite 8100 and replaced the i5 with a Xeon.
Excellent presentation, I just bought a refurbished 8300 with 8 gigs memory and win10 prof for 200 dollars, usa, you presentation was very good, and the best was no music to distract, I am very happy with mine, I do not play games, but do a lot of video editing using Power Director 14, works great and fast....thanks again
The 8300 has USB 3.0, but only at the back. You can get a cheap PCIe 3.0 card, and a front bay device. I will showcase this in a future video!
Well made presentation. Well done.