Most competent jiu jitsu practitioners are not gonna lay totally flat in the guard. Most bjj fighters will be looking for wrist and arm control, shrimping, transitioning from different guard tactics and positions, actively looking for sweeps, etc. but I do have to admit it is a unique striking strategy that would be hard to anticipate.
Basically you're looking at deflection of the knife wielding limb to create distance, strike them and create distance, or to latch onto the knife wielding limb (this often means a 2 on 1 grip but it doesn't always have to). Then you do whatever you can to take the bastard out (putting them on the ground and giving them a boot shampoo is never a bad option). It's not easy and should be a last resort. Give a friend a magic marker and give it a try.
Very impressive for movies, highly technical instructor... but, just a question: What if you try to do the same against someone who doesn't cooperate, who offers resistance, who minimally moves?... Believe me, it's just a question. You have to test things empirically. This type of strategy is not usually seen in current MMA, it would be a good bet to demonstrate what is seen here.
Its an interest video. I really like the KFM idea and am trying to see if i can incorporate some moves but i cant find an instructor. Not to be a critic but this method of ground and pound looks susceptible to a triangle. If that elbow doesn't wind me I can trap it trap it and work for a triangle. Not sure I like this move at all. I think there are strikes you can use that won't leave you open for a triangle.
once upon a time the jujitsu guard fighting from your back principle was leverage in combat... damn! our take-down defense best be on point lol, even attempting to escape that position we're exposed to leg-lock submissions. brilliant
Seems interesting. I like how they protect the hands and elbows. Many ground submission martial arts like BJJ, Sambo and catch wrestling depend on some kind of wrist or elbow control. This may be useful in that sense but the bottom guy seems to have more freedom to kick the top guy off or even up kick him if its legal. If your entire plan revolves around pounding a guy out from the guard, then this may be useful.
observe that they use their elbows while coming up or in combination into the inside of the legs, after 4-5 hits of nice shots to the right muscles, your legs will have to be able to endure quite a lot to be able to kick that guy off you, he's got his elbows and arms practically ready to grab your legs as well :-)
True. But BJJ guys have a hell of a closed guard. They will hold on till the end. And it only takes one up kick to KO a person. Look at Anderson Silva`s DQ vid against Okami. Even if a kick like that is blocked, its going to hurt pretty damn bad. Im not saying this method cant work. I just think it would work best when mixed in with other ground and pound methods. That's all.
Kinda want to learn it because of Batman and its flashiness. In ground fighting, it would be okay, but in standing combat, it seems very inefficient. I've fought muay thai fighters and they fight similarly, although Muay Thai focuses on standing combat, the exposure is very similar, they tend to use their elbows often and that exposes a lot of their bodyparts for hits. Awesome nonetheless.
Brutal and effective, counter this technique is a mess. The hammer it is not super effective, but it covers devastating elbow hits...counter this situation it is a mess. I use very similar technique. Tough and skilled guys.
Just because he's a creator of Keysi, don't think he can easily beat up a long time master of Jujitsu. They're both extremely in tune with martial arts.
Who cares who will win, it's about mixing the styles together and then you get Perfection. Personally i use KFM for my ground and pound but Catch Wrestling for my ground grappling and they work very well together. Because of that i know that a mix of KFM and BJJ would be hard to beat on the ground
I love Keysi, but after trainning it, and trainning some Krav Maga and MMA, i think there's no need to be that hard with the students like Andy here. It's not that "this is not for pussies", this is a class and punching so hard will not make them learn better.
I know Andy enough to say that he's not doing it for the sake of it or pleasure but for them to 'feel a bit' the functionality and practicality of it, cause a lot of MMA practitioners will go on to the old reliable; 'that's bs', 'that wouldn't work', 'fancy moves that don't hurt' so I belive is for 'shock value' and just to give them a little taste of the message he tries to convey
Most people on the bottom would grab his wrist as he tries to punch downward. The skill set is good to have that is being shown, but Andy needs to show if someone is grabbing or hitting back from the bottom. Andy is good though.
Keysi is good for building momentum... and fast. If you ever watch a demonstration in person you'll see what I mean. It's like the Juggernaught from X-Men, they keep hitting harder and faster cause they are constantly moving. It's difficult to keep a guard up. HOWEVER the method that beats this is a way to slow down or stop the momentum. But once you see a Keysi practioner start going? Dude, they go; they start from the head and work their way down to the knees of the opppnent. Must be why they condition for stamina and endurance alot.
Nice video and Ive always wanted to learn this method. Do need to say tho Id be terrified walking into a room and seeing 7:37 like id just walked into a cult that drank crazy koolaid.
Lol, yeah but there's a reason for it too. They're trying to condition the students and each other to get used to being struck. Sometimes ppl are afraid to get hit and feel pain, but if u train hard you'll be much more prepared in a real fight, especially if your opponent does actually hit you.
Joshua Sambula I realize that is one of the reasons. I like watching fighting for the tremendous skill involved but I don't like the inflicting pain and damage part of it. Only exception would be if the person was having fun and didn't mind and the damage is either not significant or it is completely reversible. Perhaps we'll eventually evolve to the point where all damage is reversible and we don't ever suffer. That would make fights more fun because there would be no downside. But we are a long way off from that advanced level of evolution.
nfcoard I used to think this way when I would train with my dad. But he is not doing it full force. It is necessary to take the demonstration to the point where it's convincing and heart felt. The aggression combine with the contact conveys the effectiveness to the student.
+CptAceMaverick hey man cheers!, have you ever fight against some one trained? and I mean some one professionally trained? (my English sucks, I speak Spanish)
I train Defence Lab as well as muay thai. I've never used defence lab in real life but I use it all the time while sparring in my muay thai class. It definitely works but it's far less effective with boxing gloves on since you need your hands to set up the shapes and cover systems.
ofcourse it does help in self defence . kfm is designed for a street fight using pensador or the thinking man unlike most martial arts they kinda dance more than to defend.
I practice some differente sistems, Keysi is one of them. And you do this when you can fight back, or in an excercise, where you can try to avoid the attack, and yoy wear some equipment, not like this. And of course i've got some injuries, some of them bad some of them not, but i dont see learning on that. I understand what you say, and it's ok to get use to pain, but i'm not sure if that's what he's trying here. Still it's my opinion, and i respect yours :)
Andy is not the creator, Justo is. And jujtsu is also great, still that i love Keysi, like Andy himself said, it's not about wich martial is better, who owns what and who inveted wich move. It's about getting instintive, about learning everything you can and make it yours.
Edmond Dantez Okay, so, I'm a bit new to the MMA world, can you explain to me what you mean by 12-6 elbows, and elaborate more on what that means in terms of types of elbow strikes allowed/not allowed in a typical MMA bout?
Raiden4019 Since you never did get that response, 12-6 elbows mean driving straight down (almost in a stabbing motion) with your elbows. The point of your elbow is very sharp and if you're on top, you could potentially crack someone's skull. If you haven't already looked it up, here's a link you can check out w/ an interesting article exploring the legality of elbows and the rule: www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/1/16/5317576/ufc-fight-night-35-big-john-mccarthy-explanation-of-12-6-elbows-calls-yoel-romeros-win
Joshua Sambula Ah, thank you very much, that cleared things up alot. I agree with what was discussed in the article, and I too find the rule a bit sketchy and up for debate. I've seen a couple fights where someone knocked someone out with a 12-6 elbow and didn't get penalized. Even if an alteration in the travelling path of the blow WAS made just before impact, I think that's pretty meaningless, as I doubt it would do anything to reduce the potential force or damage the impact would do otherwise. Definitely something to ponder on as the sport evolves. Thanks again!
Seems logical and effective. Keep in mind that no singular Technique or Concept no matter how effective is ever guaranteed to be successful in a situation as dynamic as a "fight". This would most likely be more useful inside the ring/cage under the rules system however, in a street situation a rule of thumb is no more than 3-5 seconds on the ground.
Andy norman is the co founder of kfm, he owns the shit out of it, thats why its changed to venom and defence lab, its full contact training not for pussies, I trained under andy before he made it a successful massive worlwide franchise and he can be rough but it is necessary to learn the techniques and how effective they are, its a street defence derived from both diverse backgrounds and bread on the streets and formed into a fighting method.
Justo worked in a mining town in Spain and evolved his KFM system out of real life street fighting situations, not the pussy sport martial arts where you pull punches. Getting hit in training is necessary to build up your mental and physical expectations or you will freeze up the first time you get punched in a real fight.
His name is Andy Norman he now runs Defence Lab. Either a Defence Lab or Keysi (Justo) will spring up near you soon. if not go to there sites and find out when the seminars are.
anyone can do this to someone not fighting back. why does he and his top students fight to show if it really works. like bas ruttan and joe rogan said, "if you do not fight don't call yourself a fighter" becuse you are not.
If ur defending urself from an aggressive attacker, in guard/full mount: crotch is always exposed. If its self def. If its mma, dont break rules. If its soccer, dont pick up the ball. Dont be dirty in safe ruled scenarios. And dont be stupid if ur being attacked
You know I used to really believe that the groin was an issue but if you're aware of it and keep pressuring its a not a big issue. Good example is mount. In mount your grown is super exposed but if you have top mount and you aggressive transition to high mount, they can't get to your nuts, especially if you are wearing pants (not skinny jeans, normal pants). Of course someone who does jiujitsu can get to your nuts but an average bloke isn't getting there without you moving to a safer position or him getting cracked in the head.
Seriously? Knife defense is the hardest and unsafest way to fight against. Anyone who wants to defend against a knife should try and see because even the best martial artists can not train the proper closing in tactic to reverse the knife on the perpetrator. I do agree running is the best method.
Interesting… But not sure it would be very effective with a trained seasoned mma fighter. I guess it may be surprisingly effective until the fight gets rolling into something else. But interesting nonetheless
Honestly it looks like he's going a little too hard. Then again different gyms will train at different intensities for actual fight training. But for a demo that's going pretty full on.
Dime algo que sirva en la calle contra 7? Algo fuera de andar una semilla automática bien cargada hasta el copete de tiros, ahora, este fue un seminario KFM MMA de ground and pound, o sea, sólo se mostraron cosas relacionadas o que serían adaptables a un entorno de competición MMA, siempre hay alguien que sale brincando con eso de 'en la calle bla bla...' dime algo que funcione contra 7 y en la calle...genuinamente espero respuesta
The 12-6 elbow was made illegal as more or less a compromise during the creation of the original so called "Unified Rules" as it was a strong worry for one person of medical backgrounds. The cause for the strike being deemed "too dangerous" was grounded with evidence from martial artists breaking boards and cinder blocks. Many people in the know of MMA and traditional martial arts that this is not the technique but the boards and blocks themselves. Referee Big John McCarthy explaines this in detail a number of times. If I have in anyway made an error or wrong statement apologize
Depends, stop from getting choked not 100% but due to the Triangle shape might make it a little bit harder but in martial arts, self defense or competition ones, there are no bullet proof (unbeatable) techniques, not that I'm aware of
Edmond Dantez Thank you sir. I also don't believe in any self defense system or martial arts that doesn't prove themselves with a fully resistive oponent.
Hitting so hard? Guys, this is MMA, full contact training. You can´t have realistic expectations to fight (either inside the cage, the ring or just defending yourself at the street) if you don´t get hit. Hard. Real. Ask Ken Shamrock and his old Lion Den´s training sessions!
Jorge del rio Yeah and getting hurt at practice is one sure method of never even getting "in the cage", I used to sambo-wrestle with some old geezers who loved to grind their elbows into your face and always the Gable into the face when in back-mount. Garanteed a mashed-up face for next workday. Full-contact is one thing, going 70-80 % on clearly beginners says more about mental dick-size than a will to teach someone something.
This is just LARPing or acting out Dungeons and Dragons until you demo on a non-compliant partner. Everyone looks awesome against a corpse like in this video. You're going to get a lot of people hurt by sharing your scholarly approach to combat. Very irresponsible and arrogant.
That some crazy Ground and Pound. I wanna see someone use it in an MMA match.
It's been over 9 years. Have you seen anyone use it yet
@@Berengier817 this will not work. The guy on the bottom will not stay still.
It's just a load of good looking commercial franchising money making system. Looks like a system used in epilepsy.
@Berengier817 it's been 10 years and no one uses it.
@@timbicepslong3686 So was BJJ, but you bought into it.
Thank you for opening my mind to the versatility of elbow strikes.
My Jiu Jitsu/Keysi coach wasn't kidding when he told me long ago that Keysi is "Krav Maga on acid"
I'm batman
Lol
No one cared who i was until i put on the mask
6:37 when a bug lands on my head
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Yeah so to conclude from this vid, elbow ground and pound is a good shit. K thx
Most competent jiu jitsu practitioners are not gonna lay totally flat in the guard. Most bjj fighters will be looking for wrist and arm control, shrimping, transitioning from different guard tactics and positions, actively looking for sweeps, etc. but I do have to admit it is a unique striking strategy that would be hard to anticipate.
@@sauceforce9623 Doesn't work?
Basically you're looking at deflection of the knife wielding limb to create distance, strike them and create distance, or to latch onto the knife wielding limb (this often means a 2 on 1 grip but it doesn't always have to). Then you do whatever you can to take the bastard out (putting them on the ground and giving them a boot shampoo is never a bad option). It's not easy and should be a last resort. Give a friend a magic marker and give it a try.
Great system but will they teach this on DVD in the future ?
MrEdium Even on blu-ray, the title is Batman begins.😉👍🏻
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Very impressive for movies, highly technical instructor... but, just a question: What if you try to do the same against someone who doesn't cooperate, who offers resistance, who minimally moves?... Believe me, it's just a question. You have to test things empirically. This type of strategy is not usually seen in current MMA, it would be a good bet to demonstrate what is seen here.
Its an interest video. I really like the KFM idea and am trying to see if i can incorporate some moves but i cant find an instructor. Not to be a critic but this method of ground and pound looks susceptible to a triangle. If that elbow doesn't wind me I can trap it trap it and work for a triangle. Not sure I like this move at all. I think there are strikes you can use that won't leave you open for a triangle.
once upon a time the jujitsu guard fighting from your back principle was leverage in combat... damn! our take-down defense best be on point lol, even attempting to escape that position we're exposed to leg-lock submissions. brilliant
A blue belt would screw with this guy
Seems interesting. I like how they protect the hands and elbows. Many ground submission martial arts like BJJ, Sambo and catch wrestling depend on some kind of wrist or elbow control. This may be useful in that sense but the bottom guy seems to have more freedom to kick the top guy off or even up kick him if its legal. If your entire plan revolves around pounding a guy out from the guard, then this may be useful.
observe that they use their elbows while coming up or in combination into the inside of the legs, after 4-5 hits of nice shots to the right muscles, your legs will have to be able to endure quite a lot to be able to kick that guy off you, he's got his elbows and arms practically ready to grab your legs as well :-)
True. But BJJ guys have a hell of a closed guard. They will hold on till the end. And it only takes one up kick to KO a person. Look at Anderson Silva`s DQ vid against Okami. Even if a kick like that is blocked, its going to hurt pretty damn bad.
Im not saying this method cant work. I just think it would work best when mixed in with other ground and pound methods. That's all.
Definately :-)
Kinda want to learn it because of Batman and its flashiness. In ground fighting, it would be okay, but in standing combat, it seems very inefficient. I've fought muay thai fighters and they fight similarly, although Muay Thai focuses on standing combat, the exposure is very similar, they tend to use their elbows often and that exposes a lot of their bodyparts for hits. Awesome nonetheless.
I love this, but it's of course without any good JJ guys throwing up moves. Love it though.
Brutal and effective, counter this technique is a mess. The hammer it is not super effective, but it covers devastating elbow hits...counter this situation it is a mess. I use very similar technique. Tough and skilled guys.
Beautiful art beautiful art.
Art? 😂
Beautiful mann
Andy Norman has a very good self defense background. He has studied JKD. MMA and kickboxing. He is mostly a self defense expert not an elite fighter.
Just because he's a creator of Keysi, don't think he can easily beat up a long time master of Jujitsu. They're both extremely in tune with martial arts.
Who cares who will win, it's about mixing the styles together and then you get Perfection. Personally i use KFM for my ground and pound but Catch Wrestling for my ground grappling and they work very well together. Because of that i know that a mix of KFM and BJJ would be hard to beat on the ground
I guess I missed the part when he said that he'll beat a JJ master, maybe something wrong with the audio of the video on my end
Jiu jitsu has too many rules.
Fucking love this
I love Keysi, but after trainning it, and trainning some Krav Maga and MMA, i think there's no need to be that hard with the students like Andy here. It's not that "this is not for pussies", this is a class and punching so hard will not make them learn better.
I know Andy enough to say that he's not doing it for the sake of it or pleasure but for them to 'feel a bit' the functionality and practicality of it, cause a lot of MMA practitioners will go on to the old reliable; 'that's bs', 'that wouldn't work', 'fancy moves that don't hurt' so I belive is for 'shock value' and just to give them a little taste of the message he tries to convey
Geat video i never hear of this fighting style
If you've ever watched any of the recent batman films (Batman Begins, The Dark Knight), you'll see more of it.
+Raiden4019
Also Jack Reacher uses it in the books and film.
Yoooo this guy is a genius. Apply this to MMA someone would be dangerous
Tony Ferguson NEEDS this for his ground and pound!!!!!!!!!! He is crazy but super technical and i think it would compliment his style
Most people on the bottom would grab his wrist as he tries to punch downward. The skill set is good to have that is being shown, but Andy needs to show if someone is grabbing or hitting back from the bottom. Andy is good though.
do u have a video in standing positions? can I apply this jab elbow hammerfist in standing position as well? please reply at the this.
+chandy garcia Yes
this man is Batman
Keysi is good for building momentum... and fast. If you ever watch a demonstration in person you'll see what I mean. It's like the Juggernaught from X-Men, they keep hitting harder and faster cause they are constantly moving. It's difficult to keep a guard up. HOWEVER the method that beats this is a way to slow down or stop the momentum. But once you see a Keysi practioner start going? Dude, they go; they start from the head and work their way down to the knees of the opppnent. Must be why they condition for stamina and endurance alot.
Nice video and Ive always wanted to learn this method. Do need to say tho Id be terrified walking into a room and seeing 7:37 like id just walked into a cult that drank crazy koolaid.
Most fighters who instigate now aday carry knives. How does one defend against a knife? Thanks for this video.
Is there places that teach this in Canada
is ther any kfm school in mexico city?
Look online, there may be a Defence Lab school.
While watching this I can't help but think that some men just like to hit other men. Nevertheless fighting is an impressive art.
Lol, yeah but there's a reason for it too. They're trying to condition the students and each other to get used to being struck.
Sometimes ppl are afraid to get hit and feel pain, but if u train hard you'll be much more prepared in a real fight, especially if your opponent does actually hit you.
Joshua Sambula I realize that is one of the reasons. I like watching fighting for the tremendous skill involved but I don't like the inflicting pain and damage part of it. Only exception would be if the person was having fun and didn't mind and the damage is either not significant or it is completely reversible. Perhaps we'll eventually evolve to the point where all damage is reversible and we don't ever suffer. That would make fights more fun because there would be no downside. But we are a long way off from that advanced level of evolution.
nfcoard I used to think this way when I would train with my dad. But he is not doing it full force. It is necessary to take the demonstration to the point where it's convincing and heart felt. The aggression combine with the contact conveys the effectiveness to the student.
I would like to see it in full contact sparring with a boxer to see if it really works. looks good but does it really work in self defense?????
same for me bro, I want it to be tested for real
+CptAceMaverick hey man cheers!, have you ever fight against some one trained? and I mean some one professionally trained? (my English sucks, I speak Spanish)
+KrAV9100 yes buddy it's defence lab now
I train Defence Lab as well as muay thai. I've never used defence lab in real life but I use it all the time while sparring in my muay thai class. It definitely works but it's far less effective with boxing gloves on since you need your hands to set up the shapes and cover systems.
ofcourse it does help in self defence . kfm is designed for a street fight using pensador or the thinking man unlike most martial arts they kinda dance more than to defend.
KFM in summary: elbows & hammerfists
Dang that’s nasty
Now, i imagine Jon Jones doing this!
gustavo calastro Jones learned from the Grandmaster UA-cam from many years ago
Punch, elbow, eyepoke
What would happen 8f you were in the guard and you were covering up…and started elbowing his legs and thighs, knees?
I practice some differente sistems, Keysi is one of them. And you do this when you can fight back, or in an excercise, where you can try to avoid the attack, and yoy wear some equipment, not like this. And of course i've got some injuries, some of them bad some of them not, but i dont see learning on that. I understand what you say, and it's ok to get use to pain, but i'm not sure if that's what he's trying here.
Still it's my opinion, and i respect yours :)
Andy is not the creator, Justo is. And jujtsu is also great, still that i love Keysi, like Andy himself said, it's not about wich martial is better, who owns what and who inveted wich move.
It's about getting instintive, about learning everything you can and make it yours.
Aren't downward elbows generally a no-no under most MMA rulesets?
Only what are called 12-6 elbows and technically, none of these are 12-6.
Edmond Dantez Okay, so, I'm a bit new to the MMA world, can you explain to me what you mean by 12-6 elbows, and elaborate more on what that means in terms of types of elbow strikes allowed/not allowed in a typical MMA bout?
Raiden4019 Since you never did get that response, 12-6 elbows mean driving straight down (almost in a stabbing motion) with your elbows. The point of your elbow is very sharp and if you're on top, you could potentially crack someone's skull. If you haven't already looked it up, here's a link you can check out w/ an interesting article exploring the legality of elbows and the rule: www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/1/16/5317576/ufc-fight-night-35-big-john-mccarthy-explanation-of-12-6-elbows-calls-yoel-romeros-win
Joshua Sambula Ah, thank you very much, that cleared things up alot. I agree with what was discussed in the article, and I too find the rule a bit sketchy and up for debate. I've seen a couple fights where someone knocked someone out with a 12-6 elbow and didn't get penalized. Even if an alteration in the travelling path of the blow WAS made just before impact, I think that's pretty meaningless, as I doubt it would do anything to reduce the potential force or damage the impact would do otherwise.
Definitely something to ponder on as the sport evolves.
Thanks again!
Seems logical and effective. Keep in mind that no singular Technique or Concept no matter how effective is ever guaranteed to be successful in a situation as dynamic as a "fight". This would most likely be more useful inside the ring/cage under the rules system however, in a street situation a rule of thumb is no more than 3-5 seconds on the ground.
I hope I have relatives who knows this kind of stuffs. my auntie is a black belt in karate but I don't think she can help me more than this.
69 wuwei I think KFM is a jujitsu variant, a more aggressive system
very beautiful
Andy norman is the co founder of kfm, he owns the shit out of it, thats why its changed to venom and defence lab, its full contact training not for pussies, I trained under andy before he made it a successful massive worlwide franchise and he can be rough but it is necessary to learn the techniques and how effective they are, its a street defence derived from both diverse backgrounds and bread on the streets and formed into a fighting method.
so where did you learn from him and is he still teaching it?
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Justo worked in a mining town in Spain and evolved his KFM system out of real life street fighting situations, not the pussy sport martial arts where you pull punches. Getting hit in training is necessary to build up your mental and physical expectations or you will freeze up the first time you get punched in a real fight.
@@Jboneice7 it was in Hull back in 2002, o think Andy lives in LA now?
where is this coach any city plz ?
His name is Andy Norman he now runs Defence Lab. Either a Defence Lab or Keysi (Justo) will spring up near you soon. if not go to there sites and find out when the seminars are.
Si Mackay
YEp thx brother but any city ?
abody al what country you in?
Si Mackay
united states, seattle
www.mkgseattle.com/keysi-in-seattle/
anyone can do this to someone not fighting back. why does he and his top students fight to show if it really works. like bas ruttan and joe rogan said, "if you do not fight don't call yourself a fighter" becuse you are not.
Joe rogan is a complete idiot
If ur defending urself from an aggressive attacker, in guard/full mount: crotch is always exposed. If its self def. If its mma, dont break rules. If its soccer, dont pick up the ball. Dont be dirty in safe ruled scenarios. And dont be stupid if ur being attacked
You know I used to really believe that the groin was an issue but if you're aware of it and keep pressuring its a not a big issue. Good example is mount. In mount your grown is super exposed but if you have top mount and you aggressive transition to high mount, they can't get to your nuts, especially if you are wearing pants (not skinny jeans, normal pants). Of course someone who does jiujitsu can get to your nuts but an average bloke isn't getting there without you moving to a safer position or him getting cracked in the head.
Seriously? Knife defense is the hardest and unsafest way to fight against. Anyone who wants to defend against a knife should try and see because even the best martial artists can not train the proper closing in tactic to reverse the knife on the perpetrator. I do agree running is the best method.
yh it is pretty attractive, but i like the way batman uses it but bane uses it better
HAMMA HAMMA HAMMA HAMMA TIME!!!!
Interesting… But not sure it would be very effective with a trained seasoned mma fighter. I guess it may be surprisingly effective until the fight gets rolling into something else. But interesting nonetheless
Should go a bit easier he,ll end up seriously hurting someone and they,ll learn nothing
One of those teachers that beat the shit out of you in training and you don’t want to say anything to look like a beeotch and he knows it
Vs connor mcgregor yes an ignorant statement but sum to think on
Honestly it looks like he's going a little too hard. Then again different gyms will train at different intensities for actual fight training. But for a demo that's going pretty full on.
Why would someone stay in anothers gaurd and waste all that energy?
haha good one here
coco
This is similar to some forms of silat.
Es bueno para el dojo pero ? Que tal en la calle contra siete?
Nació en la calle, de hecho lo llevaron al dojo, pero creo que es ilegal ya que incluye codos, cabeza, rodillas etc .. no es deportivo.
@@user-fd6jz2kv9v Dicen que nacio en la calle... Pero esto no sirve en la calle... te lo grantizo.
Dime algo que sirva en la calle contra 7? Algo fuera de andar una semilla automática bien cargada hasta el copete de tiros, ahora, este fue un seminario KFM MMA de ground and pound, o sea, sólo se mostraron cosas relacionadas o que serían adaptables a un entorno de competición MMA, siempre hay alguien que sale brincando con eso de 'en la calle bla bla...' dime algo que funcione contra 7 y en la calle...genuinamente espero respuesta
isnt the 12-6 elbow strike an illegal move in mma?
From my understanding, it is only illegal in ufc. Other organisations like one fc for example it is perfectly fine and legal.
12 to 6 elbows to the face is illegal according to the unified rules elbows to the body are fine
The 12-6 elbow was made illegal as more or less a compromise during the creation of the original so called "Unified Rules" as it was a strong worry for one person of medical backgrounds.
The cause for the strike being deemed "too dangerous" was grounded with evidence from martial artists breaking boards and cinder blocks. Many people in the know of MMA and traditional martial arts that this is not the technique but the boards and blocks themselves.
Referee Big John McCarthy explaines this in detail a number of times. If I have in anyway made an error or wrong statement apologize
Cheers mate. Lol
these guys are going to be sore, he absolutely pounds them!
Hasn't seen it proven yet...
I wonder if this will stop me getting sweeped. or choked in bjj class??
Depends, stop from getting choked not 100% but due to the Triangle shape might make it a little bit harder but in martial arts, self defense or competition ones, there are no bullet proof (unbeatable) techniques, not that I'm aware of
plenty of defence from triangles
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외지주 진호빈보고 오신분 뎃ㄱㄱ
진호빈이 케이시 파이팅 메쏘드를 써요?
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No
So this is just a limited around the edges kind of sport martial art I guess.
Is a KFM MMA seminar so...most likely they only did MMA applicable things
Oh boy they are wearing camp pants...
Psalms 66:18 KJV - IF I REGARD INIQUITY IN MY HEART GOD WILL NOT HEAR ME.
So there's absolutely no effort on the part of the guy in bottom guard to break or control posture. This alone makes it entirely unrealistic.
Edmond Dantez Thank you sir. I also don't believe in any self defense system or martial arts that doesn't prove themselves with a fully resistive oponent.
That's what's the arms covering head after hits is for
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Absolutely... If there is no resistance how do we know this works?
@@ZOreactions For incoming counter strikes. I do agree that this seems unrealistic and thus useless.
Hitting so hard? Guys, this is MMA, full contact training. You can´t have realistic expectations to fight (either inside the cage, the ring or just defending yourself at the street) if you don´t get hit. Hard. Real. Ask Ken Shamrock and his old Lion Den´s training sessions!
Jorge del rio Yeah and getting hurt at practice is one sure method of never even getting "in the cage", I used to sambo-wrestle with some old geezers who loved to grind their elbows into your face and always the Gable into the face when in back-mount. Garanteed a mashed-up face for next workday. Full-contact is one thing, going 70-80 % on clearly beginners says more about mental dick-size than a will to teach someone something.
This is just LARPing or acting out Dungeons and Dragons until you demo on a non-compliant partner. Everyone looks awesome against a corpse like in this video. You're going to get a lot of people hurt by sharing your scholarly approach to combat. Very irresponsible and arrogant.
Maybe Andy's just a rough guy?
why isn't this technique used in MMA? 🤔 maybe cuz it dont work...works only in the movies
painful damn
Krav maga my friend. They deal with a lot of fighting vs armed opponents of course its always better to just avoid confrontation with a knife
Krav Maga sucks
Lol 7.38
Grown men paying to learn this muck 😂
Im here because i want to learn how to fight like Bruce Wayne.
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I'm actually lost for words how stupid this is.
...so these guys paid for be battered? I can charge half what the teacher did for punching my students.
classic sucker punching instructor
***** Pedro Geronimo
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Dude has never been in a real fight. What a joke.