Timber Framing Scissors Joint
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Timber frame scissors joint, a type of scarfed joint used vertically when a post is being formed from two timbers or (more commonly) a rotten part of a post is being replaced. Like a double splayed scarf joint.
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Of all the woodworkers on UA-cam, I relate to you the most. Old skill saw, old hand saw, old tape measure... in a real life setting, not an air conditioned shop (office-like environment) with lights and cameras everywhere. Just a man and his well worn tools making magic happen! Very good stuff!
.... " Just a man and his well-worn tools "... yeah, especially that cheap and nasty rust covered hand saw he's got! Apart from that, he did well.
Mouwveger.
Well yes and no not because it’s old gear that it makes you more skilled I grew up learning the old school way but definitely love the new stuff specially batterie tools
That’s a larger skill saw for timber but still old. Lol. I like the old way of doing this and now it’s a popular thing that people want.
Just found him and thought the same thing. The old tape is what got me.
Nice job. As a carpenter with 50 years under my belt, I appreciate stuff like this. Thanks.
Been a carpenter all my life and never seen that joint. Excellent work. Thank you for adding the video.
Amazing work. I watched this about a year or so ago for the first time and, when it came up in my recommended list today, decided to watch it again. It inspired me to give it a try the first time I watched it. I used the joint to attach the handle of a walking stick to the shank. I added some epoxy and a couple of cut-off nails just in case, but it turned out great.
Not for sure why someone would dislike this. It's very impressive. Good job.
Beautiful job. First time I've ever seen a scissors joint made.
That was one of the best videos I've ever seen... not just on carpentry... but, like, of all the things.
You probably have seen very few videos
I've been at carpentry my entire adult life and have not seen nor used that joint- very cool, thx for sharing!
+Tioga Fretworks Thank you!
seen it used in Japanese carpentry many time, first western I have seen do it.
This type of joint on timber this large will hold no structural integrity. Which is why it's never used in the real world. It's purely decorative and creates a severely weak point in the timbers.
AJ Ramos glued screwed and clamped over nite hold anything just depend on your application and where you you use it....
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Wow. Now that is a cool joint. Millennials would never go for this. It's not instant. It takes work and you have to be a craftsperson to do it. I am impressed. Makes me want to go out in the shop and make one. What a cool contrast with different types of wood. Wow!
Funny, because I think the guy you just complimented might qualify as a millennial...
I don't know. He is married and works and has skills. It could happen there is always an anomaly that defies numbers. GRIN! Google the Milliennial question on youtube it pretty much spells it out.
I have built some pole barns and a hundred houses but never a joint like this one. HA! Great craftsmanship here. Poking at the milliennials for some fun just as they poked at us Baby Boomers.
You mean because he can do it he's not a true millennial? That's an utter fallacy. There are plenty of old farts wouldn't have the patience or the skill to make a scissor joint either.
@@chinaski2020 you misunderstood, I'm saying that generalizing by generation is stupid. In fact, putting people in boxes in general is stupid.
@@caesar2164 I thought I was replying to MarkJonesRanger. I agree with you.
At this writing there are 399 dorks that gave this a thumbs down.
"I would just buy another beam.", "Waste of time" or"I wouldn't trust that to hold up a house".
The Chinese and Japanese have been using joints like this for more than 1,000 years. Their buildings last for hundreds of years and are earthquake proof! I would trust this over some toe-nailed, liquid nailed, metal Tstrap configuration. Are there other types of joints? Yes, this one is one just more in an arsenal of dozens.
Also, if you had a situation that required longer beams than what was available, this would be a way to join them to make the joint almost invisible.
OPEN YOUR MINDS!
A very simple scarf joint and he had to fiddle with it way too much to get it to work. Of course, this is only my opinion and we know how opinions are...
Old Man from Scene Twenty Four loved this video. I would also like to know more about these joints: better used with hardwood or softer wood or doesn’t matter. Does old growth hold up better as opposed to younger, commercially produced, hold up better under these joints?
I think it's a post not a beam.
Pioneers used whatever trees were in their area- didn't matter if it was hardwood, softwood, old or new growth... and I didn't think many of them fiddled that much with trying to get it that perfect... and it was used for both posts and beams...
On another note, he didn't show that it gets 2 through pins to hold it together...
Top job mate.😁😁. Very well done. It is good to see real carpentry skills nicely executed. Cheers from Michael. Australia.
Form, function, & structure - fits all three: A+!
Regardless of what you think about the joint, that was impressive work. Thanks for sharing.
Congratulations for your agility with woods, I saw this work and I did an equal, I did not have to buy another bigger wood, it was perfect, almost wonderful to yours I had never seen ... Congratulations thanks for the video ... I live in Brazil
No, no, no! Like all the armchair experts here, you and everyone else in the world is doing it wrong. The Right way is to go out and buy another piece of timber. /sarc
Nice job Francis, just the artistic value alone is awesome. In my projects I am always looking for ways to join wood, especially when fasteners are not needed. Thank you for sharing.
I've built homes 40 years and have never seen that. Nice work!
@@markcynic808 a cynic would say that, lol... it's been used for centuries in timber framing - and would last forever compared to a new beam that has a big knot in it... besides, 100 years ago people couldn't just going out to buy a longer beam, or maybe there weren't taller trees in the area...
@@wessunde2801
A hundred years ago, used for centuries? Can you imagine the time it would take to make this joint without power tools, hardpoint saws and nylon rachet straps? It's too time consuming to produce and too weak to be used to span anything.
This video is for demonstration purposes only. The resulting beam is only 7 or 8 feet long. A longer beam would be much more cumbersome. No constructor is going to waste time and effort making such a joint when long lengths of timber can be sourced easily and cheaply.
That was very impressive, and loved the bit where you slowly spun the post! Excellent fit..
There's some impressive work I saw on a scarf joint on a 17th century mast. Impressive skills!!!
I recently used a similar joint for a coffin shaped shelving unit for my daughter. I used it on the side corners; with the angles needed and board cuts, it worked well. It also interlocked the angled corners together better than any mechanical fastener could.
I didn’t read the shelving part at first and was amazed you could build your own daughters coffin, luckily that isn’t the case
That was awesome .ty good for extending timbers when yours are to short i will try this at some point thanks again
fitting those joints together must be a mean ass struggle to do alone. well done
(7:00 Ah, that explains the electric tape repair to the circular saw cord).
Really impressive technique. I'm sure I'll never have the need to join a couple timbers together like that, but who knows - maybe a couple of 2x4s.
This has nothing to do with anything but I just bought a vintage, 1930s 10 inch circular saw at auction and it's a beast. Love it.😃
This is a rare joinery technique,very nice
+Nature King thanks for watching
Rare today to see someone with the dedication and skillset of this craftsman. Kudos
Man that is nice! A tight joint and the finest tool used was a saw. So much skill, you made it look easy.
Nice work, on a big ol' stick, too! (Oregon pine?)
Last time I saw this joint in action was watching my uncle John build an upstairs extension with my dad, circa 1979. I miss them both dearly.
Thank you.
That circular saw tho!!!!!! I've got an old metal body too, but that one is damn cool!
What model of saw is that?
Who disliked this? I have never heard of this type of joint. I thought it was pretty cool. Thanks for sharing!
Hi Francis, good work, but I have a few questions, what would you say is the best way to apply this joint, as a vertical post under compression, or as a horizontal beam with a spread load over the whole length? Would you use it for both types? Also, if used on a horizontal beam, which way up would you put the joint cut, long diagonal cut top and bottom or sideways left to right, for getting the most load bearing strength from the beam? I see this joint being most useful for repairing and scarfing anything from doors to roof beams, although getting a really tight strong joint on big beams in situ could be more difficult. I assume that you would glue and draw bore the joint once it was a good fit?
Good joint!! Great in post & beam construction, could even be used to feature different timbers together. Scribing the second joint using the first one means less frikken around gettin the fit.
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Ive been a carpenter for 190 years but I've never seen this joint before.
Howdy old-timer!
Nice work. I love seeing traditional techniques done by skilled craftsman. I think you need to invest in a proper vintage rip saw though.
That finished up great. A really tight fit, by the looks of it. Well done 😀
+Mr Geoffrey Smith lots of bearing surfaces, thanks for watching
Well in spite of a long (and no doubt misspent) career in and around woodworking, I have never seen that one before. Thanks for showing us.
+CrimeVid your welcome.
Have you ever considered learning Japanese carpentry techniques?
Great video all around, this is truly a cherished skill.
They use sharp saws
Just incredible! Probably just 10 people on the planet that can do this!
That circular saw is a beast. I want one.
+Adam Grise I'm looking at getting the big makita beam saw, its got a16" blade. Thanks for watching.
What is that saw?
We shall call it Chuck Norris
That is the best structural joinery I have seen - especially on such large timber. I assume it will be fastened together in some manner. Handsawing upside down is torture. Amazing that two separate pieces of timber would match face to face to face. In doing this "measure twice, cut once" is quite necessary. I guess he's done this a few times.
This is great. Thanks for sharing. Wondering why you didn't use the circular saw for the final truing up of the diagonals.
I love everything about this man's shop!
I was actually told a long story about this joint by an old worker from the Belfast ship yards they actually called it the thife's joint if the carpenters wanted a piece of nice timber for home the would do this joint sneak the lengths out bit by bit down the leg of there trousers. It really is cool . You do the two opposite cuts on each side then break it put it back and you hardly see it .
good clean quick work never seen this before
Beautiful. Some great circular saw action. Great work.
This has nothing to do with anything but I just bought a vintage, 1930s 10 inch circular saw at auction and it's a beast. Love it.😃
Salt of this universe -- like it - thanks for your video
Looks stronger than a regular scarf . Nice work.
It feels like a spiritual experience watching this.
+Pedro Ribeiro you're welcome
I guess what else does a guy say to a comment like that 😄
Excellent joinery, nice work. I prefer to remove my wedding ring when working with hand tools.
That is a beautiful joint. I would have kerfed it with the power saw, flip and repeat.. I have some timbers around... Double splayed scarf joint, eh?
Yeah, agreed, have a look at my questions above, let's see what he says.
Similar to a scarf but slight differences.
Very useful for use as a post. Add a couple of knock-in wood pins and it might even be good in a horizontal application.
Marvelous work fine-tuning the joint to reduce the gaps between the two pieces.
If one half of the joint was tied into the structure from above because the bottom rotted out
1) how would you do that fine tuning in place (i.e. with it hanging from ceiling)?
2) would you dig a pit under the post to bring it up from under to assemble?
+S. Harlee yes normally if the bottom of posts have rotted out we would support the structure on props then dig underneath, fit timber work, pore new footings, build foundation wall, then lower timber structure onto new wall. Thanks for your comment.
@@francisbarnett I just bought a vintage, 1930s Black & Decker 10 inch circular saw at auction and it's a beast. I love it.😃
A great job done with simple tools = craftsmanship!
Imagine how much more we'd learn if he spoke and explained 😂😂
Nobody need an explanation. The american style videos are very annoying because they have away to much details and explanation. Everybody got the idea, including you. All you have to do now it's to make it fit perfect. Have fun ;-)
That's a big circular saw!! Holy cow. Cool joint too, I've got some short poles I might try this to make a little pole barn for the mower
Very good workmanship & no crap music 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Every time he pulls the trigger my lights dim. Now that's a saw.
Yeah, there is a bigger one, type in makita 16 inch circular saw into Google images, it's been described as like holding onto a volksvagan car when using it 😂😂
@@VikingRhys I've got one. Every time I bring it to the job, the homeowners want to take a picture with it. It is a beast.
@@10gallonhat76 very jealous, I want one lol, I have the makita 6 inch wide electric plane so I'd like the 16 inch circular saw to go with it.... Along with my sthil 880... 🤣 😅 Got to love the big tools innit
@@VikingRhys One thing to think about is the Prazi beam saw chain attachment for circular saws. It is a cheaper option. I just got one but haven't been able to use it yet. It will make it's first cut next week.
You are one hard working son of a gun. I'll bet you won all the shoulder punching contests with your cousins.
I certainly don’t have your skill but I think I’d glue all if the joint surfaces w/ some of that 2000 pounds construction adhesive and add several well installed, countersunk lag screws. Great skills, great video.
Not what I had in my mind when I typed in “scissoring”
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I've gotta admit, it is oddly erotic when he slips them together.
Never saw this joint before. Thanks and keep up the good work!
Tnx for this amazing video Mr. Barnett!! Happy 2018.
+Emmanuel Lopez Thank You!
Ok that was just.....wow! thanks for that, no more short timbers.
Amazing and inspiration, new frnd like it
That's a very smart bit of carpentry. Thank you for the education.
Hi from Honduras C.A. beatifull joint it seems very consistently against lateral movement in two directions in case of high edifications and in zones when can be expected hearthquakes
A tight fit is always nice 👍🏽
Is that type of joinery suitable for load-bearing applications? Maybe as a Jack post beside a king post for a door opening? Excellent craftsmanship, Sir!
great job what angle did you use
I cut this at 25 degrees, thanks for watching
Thank you for the lesson
Now that’s cherry! I like how it interlocks
With precision. 😎👍🏻
Scissor me timbres!!
+Albert Evers Arrr me hearties, that it be.
Ahahaha Mrs Grayson
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I clicked on this link to make a southpark reference in the comments... you beat me to it kind sir, I tip my hat to you.
Brilliant.
Very good work sir.To the dislikes it is a craftsmanship thing you would not understand.
Francis, nice to see some video action from you. looks like your bossing around that 10 inch circular saw like its nothing. LMAO, that ain't no small saw. I think highly of that clamp. Nice joint, good to know. Thanks for sharing the knowledge, and good to see you back.
+Gareth Dirlam hi Gareth, busy with family and work, trying to get a bit up over the holidays. Your always welcome.
Does this really work for a column?
It seems that the center of the union between the two part is what get most of the force reciben by the column.
I think it works better as a beam.
+chicle verde this joint is for repairing posts, the load is self centering onto the new piece below. Thanks for watching.
Wow! Messi does really good job as a carpenter!
I havent seen this joinery before. I love this!
+Jason Kumfer your welcome
Nice joint, never seen before... Thanks for sharing! Happy new year!
+Fredy W. Many thanks, happy new year.
Chow parabéns amigo 👍👏👏👏👏👏
you are a flippin magician! Thanks for posting.
Excellent craftsmanship!!
Nice job haven't seen a scissors joint in a long time been many years since I have made one myself sometimes they can be a pain.
Nicely done
That is a bad ass joint! Thank you for sharing!
You need a proper handsaw get a inexpensive ryoba crosscut you'll love it
Hola.
Interesante proyecto. Me gusto.
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Superb work and your arms must have been burning!
I expect a CNC machine van mill this joint to a few thousandths of an inch.
You cut it exact.
+MatchstalkMan this joints all about the fit, thanks for watching
You sure have an interesting definition of exact
Very interesting. That is a beast of a saw you have there!
+Kevin Chestnut many thanks
Well done
Excellent attention to detail
Finally, a joint that fixes itself the more you cut on it. 😂
that's funny
Really enjoyed watching this...Thanks for putting up the video. Question: Now would you drill and hammer in dowels or nail, or leave it like this if used for a roof structure? cheers...rr
+Richard Rider I guess in practice once under load I would drill and screw this joint to make sure it didn't move. Thanks for watching.
Wow!!! Awesome workmanship!
Unbelievable amount of surface area to glue perfect
Sweet, this is a new one for me.
No matter how good you are, some a-hole will leave a negative comment.
Just do what you do...
+Daniel Taylor you're welcome
Quality work as usual, when would this joint be used?
+James O'sullivan normally used when the bottom of a post is rotted out.
Francis Barnett
But wouldn’t you have to raise the remaining portion of the original post way up to get the patch piece in place?
I'm not an expert here, so this is just a guess. You would have to jack up the beam it was supporting and remove the post entirely, then do the necessary work to replace the rotted portion using this joint, then replace the entire beam back into place.
This joint is used for Amishing a longer post . To make a barn taller than the trees
Francis Barnett Nice saw. 😎
Great job!!! Making templates could have given you a head start on making tight joints. Although, you got there- well done
Wow!!! You’re really good in it!
That’s awesome dust extraction cutting hardwood 👌🏻
Is this the illustration of how to cut a joint that I have not seen anywhere? Nice tight fit at the end
That is how you turn a piece of wood into a lesbian
+Austin goodwyn fully scissored
haha scissor me timbers!
@steppenwolf see ya!
This channel has got big, hard wood, so get over it!
... waiting for overtly liberal response...
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@steppenwolf I give this guy credit, hes workin the hell out of that wood
Thank you. That was very useful. It would be even more so if you could state the angle or the gradient of the cuts please.
As a timber framer who uses scarf joints, oak splines a pegs, what would be the purpose of a join like that on a post? Is it because you don’t have a long enough material? Or is it even a post?
Very cool! That is a beast of a circular saw.
Awesome. You have lots of patience.