American Reacts to MOST BRUTAL Red Cards in Rugby!
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- Опубліковано 30 січ 2024
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These Rugby red cards are brutal!
What can the NFL learn from Rugby's mitigation rules?
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Loving the NFL and Rugby it always causes me to scratch my head why the NFL is resistant to real turf. In Rugby i think we see less ACL, MCL tears by a huge margin than the NFL and the research suggests that its due to real grass as it gives way more easily when a player turns awkwardly. Hopefully as the NFL stadiums hosting rugby world cup games in 2031 have to have real turf the nfl owners might opt to keep it due to installation costs
Edit:- Just to clarify i know most pitches have synthetic woven within it though it is still predominantly at least around 80% turf and needs to be for scrums
Lots of rugby clubs have artificial pitches now. Ulster, Connacht, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Gloucester, Saracens, and Racing just to name a few
@@tsherwood2112 Edinburgh and Glasgow play on hybrid turf same as whats in Murrayfield. Its predominantly real turf with elements of astro in to help it hold up so a long way from artificial and to my knowledge the Irish clubs are the same
@@ALANL4460 huh, I didn't know it was a hybrid. As an amateur player I've never played on one of those, just real or artificial. I wonder how it feels compared to natural grass
Having played at Edinburgh once and Scotstoun once, the fields are hybrid, they're not quite the same as real turf, every now and then you notice it feels sort of different but you're mostly too focused on the game to notice. They're much better than playing on proper artificial turf which you definitely notice but in my opinion regular grass is just much better obviously you can't blame Glasgow or Edinburgh for just wanting a reliable surface to play on
@@viewer.123 I think player safety wise it creates a balance that isnt present in the NFL where its fully artificial and if your studs catch going down hospital trips are much more likely
On the Dragons Vs Leinster red at 5:00 minutes in. The issue is that the tackling player has not made a legal attempt to tackle. The arm is chicken winged, he leads with the elbow and catches him in the head.
As the tackler you must make an attempt to wrap your arms around the player you are tackling below the shoulder line.
In that clip as the referee explained, there was no attempt to wrap, he was caught in the head and therefore no mitigation can be applied. That means it has to be a red card. If he had wrapped him then he could have gotten away with a yellow card.
That makes a lot of sense. Thank you so much for the detail regarding the issue. It's been very helpful as I'm learning the game. Your feedback is very valuable!
Even without that, the elbow still only comes out properly in the turn after the guy's already started going down, red too imo.
When you spoke at the end about dangerous tackles in the NFL. Rugby has been making an effort recently to clean up its act on this.
Some would argue that is goes to far in the wrong direction. All too often we are seeing red cards for what can only be described as accidental head contact, eg a clash of heads when a player steps to evade and the tackler can’t adjust his height.
The rules would have that as a red card. It’s been a lot better since the World Cup last year but we still have a long way to go.
The tackle laws can be very confusing , especially when foul play is involved:
If you can, find highlights of France vs South Africa from the Rugby World Cup in 2023. Quarter final and one of the best games of the whole tournament. Drama from start to finish.
Yeah it's very tough to implement rules when it comes to tackling that fit all situations perfectly.
The plays happen so quickly and like you mentioned the sudden change of height happens in a split second causing a body tackle to end up being a head shot.
I'm 100% going to check out the France vs SA World Cup game. Thanks so much for letting me know 🙌🏽
@@QSNggthanks man, I'll be waiting in anticipation 🇿🇦💯
So due to us not having no helmets any contact with the head is instant red however they have started giving yellow with a chance of it upgrading to a red in with in the 10 minutes of yellow
That makes a lot of sense. Thanks so much for letting me. It's been fun learning the rule sets in Rugby and seeing how they differ from American Football
At 8:32, the Stade Français Paris (pink jersey player) entered the ruck with his head below the waist (diving) and just made massive contact with the opponent's head. No attempt to control his own movement, just a shoulder (diving) charge (edit: ok, I saw to the end of the clip, you realized the action by pink).
Thanks for letting me know the details of the situation Pablo! That's very helpful. I appreciate you 🙌🏽
Really enjoying your videos dude. You’re taking the time to actually learn and provide great perspective. I’m also learning a couple of things about American Football from you. Keep it up!!
Thanks so much Kevin! I really appreciate you boss! It mean a lot 🙌🏽
The Duncan McRae one (where he's just throwing repeated sucker punches to the downed opponent) is a very 'old school' kind of thing. The British and Irish Lions (a scratch team of the best English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish players) tour once every four years, going to either South Africa, Australia or New Zealand, and so they will play club sides and invitational sides to get the team chemistry before playing the international team in a series. It's if anything more special for the teams visited because they only play the Lions every 12 years as a result.
Back in the old days, sometimes the club teams might be tasked with roughing up a few of the Lions players a bit, to affect their preparation, to try to push the selection in a way that the host team wanted, or just to make them more tired or hurt when it came to the main series. As a result, often if they felt there was some head-hunting going on, the Lions would fight fire with fire leading to some bad blood and bad-tempered matches that would incite a bit of hate for the visitors and make the upcoming series more heated. That kind of thing was largely phased out of the game by the early 2000s when this particular incident took place, but that history contributed to the bad blood in the game, culminating in McRae flying off the handle, and also why he looks pretty pleased with himself as he takes the red card. He felt a lot more regretful when he got suspended for two months.
The worst that I've seen is Calum Clark intentionally breaking Rob Hawkins' arm by hyperextending it kimura-style after the whistle when they were in a ruck. He got banned for eight months, the original request was for five years because they decided that while he had intended to injure Hawkins, fully breaking his arm had not been his intent. Clark also had some previous disciplinary issues that had factored into it.
I appreciate you taking the time to explain the background of the British and Irish Lions. It's always great to have some context and understand the history behind certain events in sports.
Hearing about the Calum Clark event sounds insane. That type of foul is very uncalled for and deserved the full 5 year ban. To inflict that type of damage on another player outside the rules of the game is ridiculous.
I really appreciate you for providing a detailed background of these events. It really teaches me a lot and helps me understand the game so much better
So thank you 🙌🏽
If you're looking for more of a tactical breakdown of games and teams then i recommend 'the black jersey" and "squidge rugby" (although he is a little weird).
Thanks so much for letting me know. I've heard a lot of people mention Squidge, and I'll check out The Black Jersey as well
I appreciate you 🙌🏽
You have to check out some of the famous rugby fights over the years. There's been some big scraps
I definitely will. Thanks so much for letting me know! I really appreciate you 🙌🏽
Check out rugby till I collapse. One of the best compilations on rugby
I definitely will 100% ! Thanks so much for letting me know. I really appreciate you!
On the one you said ‘I don’t know’, the law states you have to attempt to wrap your arms around the player while tackling, if your not wrapping your illegally tackling or ‘barging’ and it can get very dangerous, I actually lost a mate due to a barge to his head and he had a brain bleed.
I'm sorry to hear about your friend. My thought and best wishes go out to you and his family
I appreciate you letting me know about the tackling rules as well. I've been learning a lot about rugby rules and I'm starting to see what's legal and not
Coming from American Football, our tackling is completely different
@@QSNgg it happened nearly 14 year ago, so in a weird way, it was nice to actually think of him because of this, if that makes sense
So I’m a big fan of both sports, I had the opportunity to go far in rugby but I ended up tearing my ACL, MCL, LCL, smashing my meniscus to pieces… so I lost everything, my complete future because of a freak accident and a bad tackle.
For a light hearted rugby video I would suggest watching vids searching ‘Nigel Owens funniest refereeing bits’, he’s a welsh rugby ref who is openly gay, but he takes no s**t off of anybody!
At 5:44 that was in a rugby World Cup quarter final! France eventually lost that game.
That's wild!
The default position for contact with the head is foul play. In tackles contact must be shoulder or below. It can be mitigated down if the player is falling or if there is a significant change in direction and the tackling player is attempting and in a position to make a legal tackle. That's while you'll see some reds and some yellows for what seems like similar actions. Anything like punches or deliberate actions like that are usually deemed automatic reds, but little pushing and squaring up is generally a warning to behave. Also when a red is given, they are sent to a disciplinary panel after the game which will determine the length of any ban.
Thanks so much for letting me know the rules and how it all works out. That's extremely helpful and teaches me a lot. I appreciate you Dream 🙌🏽
Your the first "reaction" channel I have subscribed too. Love your true want to learn the greatest game (yes I am from SA so biased LOL) instead of just making stupid comments, your respect for the people who's videos you use, and the fact that with each video you show more knowledge of the game. Your a good ambassador for this awesome game thanks for teaching your viewers as you learn.
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Gloucester Qrew!! Nailed it 🤣
I think, when it comes to severe knee injuries in the NFL, the main difference between the two sports is the tackling technique. In rugby union, if you don't make an attempt to wrap your arms around the ball carrier, it is foul play, whereas in the NFL there is much less "tackling" and more throwing oneself at the runner to break his stride or flat out knock him down. Add to that the likelihood of the defender coming from a blind spot, and the restrictions now imposed upon them to hit low, no wonder there are so many catastrophic knee injuries in the NFL. Both sports have clearly been contributing to major brain trauma in its players for a long while, and are rightly trying to reduce the impact of the collisions on the long term mental physiology of its players. I think the more structured nature of the defensive line in rugby makes that goal easier to achieve in rugby, at least without trading the cumulative damage of the collisions for another equally debilitating injury, like we are seeing in the NFL currently.
Great video again, I really enjoy your enthusiasm for learning the sport we love. Check out Shane Williams' back catalogue of tries, and Courtney Lawes' back catalogue of big hits. You won't be disappointed 😉
You're spot on about tackling technique. There are definitely major differences between Rugby and NFL when playing defense and tackling. You said it perfectly I feel!
Thanks so much for your incredible feedback and checking out my video. I really appreciate you 🙌🏽
I'm going to take a look a Shane Williams and Courtney Lawes for sure. I'm excited to see it!
In Rugby, any sort of Head contact is treated as a red Card initially. Then the officials decide on wether there is any mitigation which downgrades the Card to a yellow. Might seem weird in some situations but it has done a lot for player safety
That's not true. For head contact to start at a red card it needs to have a High degree of danger. Then we can talk mitigation. Go lookup the head contact process, there are a few diagrams which will explain the decision process.
Thanks so much for letting me know the rules. That's really helpful and teaches me a lot about the game. I'm loving learning everything Rugby has to offer
I appreciate you and your valuable insight!
I'll check out the head contact process. Thanks for letting me know
yeah its somewhat technical and you probably don't HAVE to know about it to enjoy the game (there are other laws which are more important for that). But it will help explain why certain incidents are red/yellow/penalty/play on.@@QSNgg
When you gonna start playing some rugby???? That would be awesome to see what you think of playing it. I'm English but played both rugby and (American) football. I really enjoyed my football days, but honestly, prefer playing rugby as you get involved in everything and it can feel relentless at points. Am absolutely loving your videos, mate!
Also, not exactly sure where you're based, but if it's CA, The New Zealand All Blacks are playing Fiji in San Diego in July.
It's funny once I finished playing college football I got recruited to play for our club team called NMHU Vatos Rugby. I was burnt out from years of football and decided not to play.
It would be fun to give rugby a shot! I would love that! Hopefully my body would hold up for the sport 🤣
I love that you had experience playing both sport. You're a badass athlete 100%!
I appreciate you checking out my videos and your incredible feedback boss. It mean a lot 🙌🏽
I'm based in Scottsdale, Arizona, so CA is only 1 state over. I'm going to make a trip to San Diego to check out All Blacks vs Fiji. Thanks so much for letting me know 🙌🏽
@@QSNgg Awesome!!! Do it. I once saw the ABs play against USA in 2014 at Soldier Field. The atmosphere was electric! You will love it! Also, Scottsdale is a great city. One of my favourites in the USA. Keep up the great work, man!
You should watch games from the 80s and see how much the game has changed, in my day we could legally ruck you (use our studs to move you out the way to get the ball out the ruck) challenge the jumper in the line out as long as you were also in the air, (fell hard many times in a line out but never lost a line out)
Recommend 1980 Lions test series (Cerfontein, Naas Botha, the 3 Du Plessis brothers [Willie, Karel, Morne] Rob Louw, Germishuis and Ray Mordt so many legends in one team ) the greatest Springbok team ever unfortunately due to sanctions the world was denied seeing much of them.
I will 100% check out the 80s matches. I've heard those men are tougher than nails! I appreciate the recommendations on the Lions test series as well. I'm checking all those out
I love rugby :) 🏉
Also if you can react to the All Blacks that would be great 👍
I definitely will reach to the All Black! They're awesome! 🇳🇿
@@QSNgg Thanks 👍
Man . That stamp (gloucester ) was part and parcel of the game esp in 70s etc . Got on wrong side u were prone to be stamped on .. perfectly acceptable. Maybe better for players safety , but damn there was RUCKING
100% boss you're absolutely right! That was wild to see
Your allowed to lift the player but MUST control the fall. Unlike in my day, one of the few changes I FULLY support.
You may NEVER target the head.
Pillow hands???????? ROFLMAO brilliant
Yeah I can imagine back in the day was no-holds barred type of action. It's good to protect the players for sure
haha the pillow hands cracked me up 🤣
Your correct with the protection of other players, the game has had a lot of athletes with long lasting brain trauma
That's tough to hear. Head trauma and brain injury is rough to see
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Have a look at Rory beggan he’s going from GAA to NFL through the pass way from Ireland as a kicker
Thanks so much for letting me know about Rory Beggan. I'm going to check him out. I appreciate you 🙌🏽
Love the Content, keep it up! As a Munster Supporter, the yellow jersey guy got red-carded for foul play in the pillow fight. Also if you were to do another one of these videos, I would advise covering Munster v Northampton 2024 where a Northampton player got red-carded for kneeing a Munster player in the head twice on the floor. Thanks for another great video!
Thanks so much for checking out my video and your incredible feedback. It means a lot!
I'm going to definitely check out Munster v Northampton. That knee sounds insane!!
The French. One of the greatest of rugby nations. Hard respected as a team, but they can throw their fists around. I don't know what the stats are with red cards, but I'm guessing it's up there.
You're 100% right! I learned a lot about the French and their history from the Six Nations doc on Netflix. They are an awesome team!
I massively agree with what you said at the end. What the NFL should do, in my opinion, is let you properly tackle through them. Come on with the shoulder. Doing then, the hits would more commonly go through the chest or the pelvic area, which would massively reduce the risk of a major knee i jury like you said. A lot of the other stuff in rugby is protecting against injuries that wouldn't happen in the NFL due to all the padding, like concussions or broken collar-bones for example.
Also love what your doing with all the rugby man, its interesting getting an Americans thoughts, as a total rugby nerd. Thanks!
I love your thoughts on tackling in the NFL that makes a log of sense.
I appreciate you checking out my content. It means a lot 🙌🏽
Please can you do wales history from the 70s to now in rugby btw I love your channel ❤ I’d also love it if you could do some videos on Nigel owens the rugby reff😊❤
I'll check out the 70s Wales history for sure. I appreciate you!
I'll look at Nigel Owens as well 🙌🏽
Hey love the rugby content, you should react to Marcus Smith's goose steps and all his insane runs from harlequins. Keep up the great videos thanks sm
Thanks so much boss I really appreciate you checking out my videos. I'll 100% check out Marcus Smith and all his runs
I appreciate you 🙌🏽
Another one for your viewing pleasure.
This game has special significance for me because I was there in the stadium. To this day I can’t watch the highlights without getting emotional.
It is without a doubt one of the biggest upsets in the history of the Rugby World Cup and arguably rugby in general. A game that went right to the wire with the clock in the red.
South Africa were two time winners of the World Cup going into this and Japan had only ever won one game in the World Cup before this game.
I hope you enjoy it.
Not worthy tidbit, one of the Japanese coaches is now the head coach for the current England team.
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That's incredible that you got to experience this in person at the stadium. That's such a special moment!
I'm going to watch this and let you know my thoughts. I really appreciate you sending it to me 🙌🏽
@@QSNgg you’re welcome and sorry I keep bombarding you with suggestions.
Hi there! I really love how you've taken rugby on as a sport to learn and love. Your comments and observations in this video are very astute and well-made. It speaks to a good sportsman, who can put himself in the players' position while still understanding the passion of competition and the mindset of a professional player. I hope you'll continue to delve into Rugby Union, maybe pick yourself an English team to support?! :-) x
Thank you so much! I really appreciate you checking out my video and your kind words. It means a lot to me!
I'm absolutely loving learning about Rugby and diving deep into everything it has to offer. I will definitely continue to learn Rugby Union, pick a team, and attend a match live 🙌🏽
I'm excited for 6N to start tomorrow 🤩
please watch the six nations this week, full games will help you understand the game
100% I'll check out 6N full matches! I'm excited to see it and learn 🙌🏽 Who do you think is going to win it?
another good video. consistently top. thank you.
Thanks so much boss I really appreciate you! Your support and kind words mean a lot! 🙌🏽
Gloucester is my home town!! Love going to games!
I love that!
There is a rule in rugby whereby you aren't allowed to tackle a player in the air.
If a player jumps to catch a ball you can't tackle him until he comes down to the ground.
This results in some players who are looking up at the ball running into the legs of the jumping player, then the player who ran into the jumping player's legs getting a red card.
I think they should remove this rule, the player who is jumping didn't have to jump, he chose to jump to increase his chance at competing for the ball, but he raised his own risk of injury.
If the jumping player did not jump, there would be no risk of injury and he still has a chance at catching the ball.
are you mental
Crazy comment about removing the “no tackle on player in air” Obviously never thought about lineouts as well.
There’s nothing wrong with competing for a ball. Any player who chooses to tackle anyone in the air deserves a card!
Wowo I did t know that good heads up thanks for that. Makes sense!!
Thanks for letting me know the rule about jumping and not allowing a tackle. I was wondering if there was protection in place when they leave their feet
I think it's cool Rugby protects their players and keeps the game safe.
If they did change the jumping rule it would definitely change the dynamic of the game.
I'm sure there would be a lot of pushback though
@@QSNgg Yeah if players weren’t allowed to jump for it, everyone would kick extremely shallow and high, allowing tacklers to smash someone the second they caught and have a better chance of turning it over in a counter ruck with the forward momentum
You have to react to Josua Tuisova😊
He's probably the most fisical player now
I have a video of Josua Tuisova coming out very soon! Thanks so much for the recommendation 🙌🏽
Lets go bro !!
I appreciate you boss!
Check out the Springboks (South Africa) they won the last two world cups. Eben Etzebeth is 6,9 250 lbs of pure aggression.
I will definitely check them out 100% ! Thanks so much for letting me know. I appreciate you 🙌🏽
still waiting on cheslin kolbe mahn😞
It should be dropping this week 🙌🏽
If you want to learn about rugby and understand more In depth, go over to squidge rugby. He is amazing
Yeah Squidge is awesome! I've been loving and learning a lot from his content. Thanks so much for the recommendation. I appreciate you 🙌🏽
Yooh whats good you should do a reaction to Eben Ezebeth or Evan Roos Two South African beasts
Thanks so much for the recommendation on Eban and Evan. I appreciate you! I'll definitely check them out 🙌🏽
You should watch JPR
I'll check out JPR. Thanks so much for letting me know. I appreciate you 🙌🏽
Hit me up if you want know more about the laws. I have been referring for 10 years now
Thanks so much for offering to help me understand the laws. I'll 100% hit you up. That would be incredibly helpful to learn the game more in depth
I appreciate you Aaron!! 🙌🏽
Watch a video on baccies Botha, rugby’s biggest bully
I'll definitely check out baccies Botha. Thanks so much for letting me know. I appreciate you 🙌🏽
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You're the best!
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I'll check out Aphiwe Dyanti for sure! Thanks for the recommendation Phanda 🙌🏽
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Here’s a highlight package from what most consider the best game of the World Cup in 2023.
For context France are playing this quarter final in front of their own fans in Paris.
The French captain, wearing number 9 had his jaw broken three weeks prior to this game.
South Africa are the defending champions from 2019.
The French are considered the favorites for the tournament and at the time this game was played were ranked number 2 in the world. South Africa were number 3.
Thanks so much for linking me to this World Cup 23 video. I'm 100% checking this out. I heard the matches were insane!