In the first half of the Video (and partly into the second half) it's hard to see the Steps on the Sequencer due to the Lighting. Sorry for that! These Buttons are very shiny and i did not noticed the Result on Video before i was already done "filming".
When importing samples from the SD Card, you can preview the currently selected sample by pressing the SAMPLE button. It is flashing to indicate it is active. You can even hold the SAMPLE button down and scroll through the sounds and they will automatically play as you select each new sound. This feature was added in Firmware 1.10, August 2018, after umonox's video was made.
Really helpful video. I’ve upgraded to an s from the standard 8 after Santa treated me. I’ve spent 3hrs tonight playing around and clearly haven’t even scratched the surface. Such an impressive piece of kit from what I’ve seen so far
There’s a major bug with the Roland TR8s regarding Program Change over midi. Although it may not be important to most single users of the TR8s, if you plan on syncing it up as either master or slave, the following bug is Still present on the machine. The BUG is When either sending or receiving a Program change message via a midi clock, the TR8S slightly lags behind when the program change is executed. Yet when a program change is made manually on the TR8s, there is no problem. It’s been a real pain for me, because the machine itself is amazing.
Don't forget the TR-8S has audio-outs for each individual channel, allowing to have them multitrack in sync on a DAW where then you can apply any further automations to complete your full track.
Tell me about it, that’s toile the best thing ever .I bought this about a month ago. I literally just thought it was a digital drum machine with the collection of all the old school Roland drum sounds. I used it for about two days and I loved it. And since the third day, I been watching videos and learned so much about what else it can do. I’m blown away. Didn’t know it can trigger out , didn’t know about the external instrument input. Didn’t know it could side chain . Didn’t know shit about it . Ha I’m so glad I got this and wish I gotten it sooner.
Great Clip. Everyone who minds to Bu this piece of hardwar should watch it so he/she can judge what he/she realy gets for her/his money. Keep up the good work.
I appreciate this video. I just got a TR-8S and I'm finding it really fun and intuitive (mostly, although I did have trouble uploading samples at first...still sort of figuring it out...). But, yeah, I can see your concern/desire about the lack of automation. I feel like so far, making a few samples and then tweaking them with the onboard EFX has been great, and the ability to play live with tweaky, more esoteric samples will be fun. Like you say, it seems they very much designed it for playing live.
Great comprehensive video. Since we are at 1.10 now, some of your concerns I think have been answered. I agree with the motion control but that’s workable by adding a rack to whatever sequencer you’re using in your DAW.
I'm looking to buy a drum machine to get away from clicking a mouse... Have to say one thing I've learnt from all the demo videos is that no matter what machine you use it always sounds amazing! Love the pattern walkthroughs. Keep up the good work. 👍
Hello, late to the party here, but what would you recommend for helping to order ones tracks for live ? the TR-8S, MC707, or the Digitakt? I like polyrhythms and the whole nine yards.
do you have a video or could you explain how you setup the Tr 8s to work with Ableton via USB? I cannot seem to get it working to record. I currently have an audio interface, but I would like to be able to record all the channels indiviually. For reference I do have a windows computer, with Live 10. I am not sure if that affects it or not.
great walk through. I really want to like this machine, but watching how fiddly that menu diving looks is giving me a headache. maybe it's gonna be the Digitakt after all.
Hi umonox! Weisst Du wie man die Effekte nutzen kann, wenn die Instrumente zu den assignable outputs geoutet sind und nicht über den Mix Out gehen? Danke
I have just purchased a tr8s and so far I love it, I have only had it for 2 days. one thing I really would have liked is a longer predelay on the reverb for use on the kick drum, but so far so good :)
I'm pretty sure they used the motion rec button to layer multiple motion effects from the Ctrl knob in the Roland demo videos. But I'll get mine in a couple days and check to be sure.
Just got mine. About to go home to check this feature out,but did it work out with the new updates that you can motion rec for multiple parameters per track?
Have you actually looped ouput A (stereo) back to the inputs? Do you only use one cable (mono) for the MIX OUT? Why? Sorry for these questions. I am trying to figure out what you are doing, because the information is awesome. Love the sidechaining stuff!
so is that cable looping back from output A to the ext input or is the sidechain being applied internally. Bit confused about how you explained it??? Cheers.
Hello! Thnanks a lot for this tour) I still don't get if any kick has so crucial pitch envelope speed and depth parameters on tr-8\8s? Maybe you can assign it to control knob or you can find it deep under the hood?
Just got it and I must say if you want a drum machine this does every drum sound you could ever want and if for some crazy reason it does not you can add samples of whatever drum sounds you want. I messed around with the digitakt and I was not happy with how long it takes just to make simple things happen but it does do many things but if you want a very good drum machine the tr8s blows it out the water but if you had both that would be the ultimate setup and they would compliment each other perfectly
@@richardwalley2862 just about to buy a drum machine and I need rich sounds but also user friendly vibe. just because of the digital menu diving thing I tend to go for tr8 but the rich library, sampling stuff, effects, outputs etc, I can't resist them :) what's your thoughts about learning curve on this? the menu diving; does it kill the vibe? is ts8 a better choise?
Hi Umonox, does it have per step editing? So that you could make toms next to eachother different lengths without altering the rest? I'm thinking of your minimal groove on the rytm where you made the front bass tom much shorter. Thanks.
I think it's misguided to expect more options with ACB tones; they are modeling the circuitry of original machines, so the limits are inherent to the source circuitry.
Just because they model the Originals doesnt mean they have to be that limited. Its all DSP in the end, possibilities are big these days. I love limitations; they force you to become creative. But i hate limitations when they slow down the creatitivity! Which is the case here with these ACB tones! Sadly.
I understand where you are coming from, but I will respectfully disagree. Personally, when I'm playing a kit with ACB tones, I like knowing that I'm "playing" a 909 (or whichever drum machine it is) with the same sound options.
Fair enough. I can also understand where you are coming from. From this POV it makes sense, of course. But additional Parameters would still be nice for those not necessarily seeking for the originals. Because, lets be frank: In modern music the Originals are always edited quite heavily. Their Sound is still there - but better, more powerful, more versatile. This is what i would expect from a Machine in 2018 ;-) I would say: Roland should bring the Parameter Selection for the ACB Tones inline with the Parameter Selection for the Samples - and there we go! We would then have Bit Reduction, Stereo Spread and a Filter to work on these Tones - but we mustnt use them if we dont want to. Its better this way than not having the Parameters at hand when you need them i think.
Personally I see both sides of this particular argument. My take is that I would really like to have the sample filter options for the ACB tones and hope that Roland add these.
Once your samples are imported are they quickly and easily selectable forever like the factory samples? You don't have to wait for the loading with the machine being unusable each time do you?
I've been trying to find a beat machine that's close to or similar to the "E-MU SP-1200 Beat machine" Would you say that the "Roland TR-8S Rhythm Performer is that machine? Thanks!
Is motion-rec independent from parameter locking? Also, when i choose a different Parameter for CTRL is the automation lost in that moment or is it saved until i record a new motion with the new parameter?
P-Locking is Motion Rec; its just an alternative way to enter these Motion Sequences. There's only one Motion Sequence (Automation) for the CTRL-Knob itself. So you dont loose your Automation once you assign a new parameter - but you cant have multiple automation Lanes per Parameter because of this.
It has a plastic case. Still quite solid as far as i remember, but the knobs were very wobbly. Dont expect them to last that long if you treat them heavily on a regular basis.
@@umonox thanks! Are there any drum machine favorites of yours? I'm happy with Ableton right now but looking for something like this for more interesting live performances
Sorry just got the TR8s, you can previw samples, press "Shift" then "Sample" and then go to import section. After this you can preview your samples. You can youtube: Roland TR-8s Tutorial: Sample Import its in the last min of this video.
love this tutorial - have started a google doc to get some of these gems down :) i'm not able to accomplish the side chain portion though, i have two patch cables going from 1 - 2 (a) into L - R (EXT IN) - and when I change output on CC to ASSIGN A I get nothing :\ If I go back to MIX can hear again - assuming I'm missing some simple here - thx if can point me in right direction, and thx a ton again for this video! ✌️
Hey Hey ! Ich hab den Roland jetzt seid circa 2 Wochen, macht Bock aber ich hab ein fettes Problem und ich weiß nicht genau was ich falsch mache. Es geht um das Abspeichern und es treibt mich in den Wahnsinn! Ich hoffe du kannst mir dabei helfen. Ich hab einen track gebastelt auf dem Kit88. Alles schön und gut. Alles abgespeichert (Kit Pattern & System). Jetzt hab ich im Kit 89 was gemacht. Hab abgespeichert und wollte mal bei Kit 88 reinhören. Und dort waren exakt die Einstellungen von Kit 89 drin. Wollte den Pattern wechseln aber da dann nichts drin. Keine Ahnung warum Roland das so Fucking kompliziert macht das ganze abzuspeichern !! Kannst du mir das bitte erklären wie ich das abspeichern muss? Weil so macht das keinen Spaß... Ich hoffe du kannst mir helfen
Very good review, thank you. I have a question, once it don't have song mode it is possible to change patterns with an external sequencer like the Yamaha Rm1x?
Hi, thanks for the great video. I wanted to ask- if I was getting this machine as a way to import entire kits from sample company- samples from mars, say a whole Linndrum kit, DMX kit, LM1 kit, C78 kit etc, how many kits could I save into the machine? If this is quite limited, what would be a better option for what I’m looking at?
The manual should add an extra page to reference this video. This video is why i subbed . I should thumbs down because there will no longer be no more tutorials.
I have enjoyed your video. Liked & subbed: so lately on my mind, is the TR-8s, BUT I am wondering, is there a more complete groovebox / rythem performer than the TR. I am a novice in the hardware it self (after understanding the hardware, I let go of my creativity): maybe I compare apples with oranges, but I try my luck with the more experience people among you incl umonox: If i have buy the first piece of hardware: TR-8s / Digitakt / or something like Akai MPC one/live/or live 2 (after saving up a bit more). Wich one is the more complete one , if you could choose
The tr8s is designed for live jamming mainly, and the digi has the sound design eithic as it's main, so you have the extra design depth, while the tr8s has its tricks too, look up some comparison vids anyhow before you bite, Ricky T has good opinion on the differences and his video was great
How many mono quarter inch jacks would i need for the sidechain and my speaker only allows for one jack input so would i need an adapter cable that it all feeds into one jack to connect to my speakers??
Hey, großartiges Video - vielen Dank. Der Support von Roland bei der Installation der Tr-8s ist unglaublich schlecht & als Neuling im Bereich externen Gears habe ich große Probleme bei der korrekten Aufsetzung. Mittlerweile bekomme ich es hin, die einzelnen Instrumente als einzelne Spuren in Ableton auf dem PC aufzunehmen und das Start Signal für die Tr8s über meine DAW zu schicken. Dabei nutze ich die Tr8s als externe Soundkarte. Allerdings habe ich ein riesen Problem, dass ich nicht gelöst bekomme - vielleicht kannst du mir helfen. Läuft nämlich die Tr8s kann ich keine anderen Spuren in meinen Projekten solo schalten, der Sound der Groovebox bleibt genauso prominent. Irgendwo muss es also an meinem Routing hapern oder die Funktion zur Lösung des Problems steckt im Utility-Menü der Tr8s aber ich verzweifle so langsam bei der Lösung dieses Problems. Lieben Gruß & danke für die Wahnsinnsarbeit, die du in deine Tutorials packst :)
Ich gehe davon aus, dass das Problem darin liegt, dass die Tr8s zum einen ihr Audiosignal direkt an meine Monitore schickt, an die sie über Mix-Out direkt angeschlossen ist & gleichzeitig per USB Sound in meine DAW geht, der dann eben auch hörbar ist. Schalte ich jetzt eine andere, nicht mit der TR8S verbundene Spur solo, so höre ich die und eben über die Direktverbindung der Groovebox zu den Boxen eben auch weiterhin diese.
Hi. Gern geschehen, danke :-) Ich hab die TR-8s nicht mehr hier, kanns dir also nicht genau sagen. Aber schau mal beim Routing der Spuren in der Box selbst, dass die ebenfalls alle auf die Einzelkanäle eingestellt sind. Klingt für mich so, als recordest du den Main-Out mit und als würden die einzelnen Spuren auch noch auf dem Main-Out sitzen. Das ist nämlich glaube der Default. Also: Sie gehen einzeln raus und gleichzeitig auch zum Main-Out, außer man ändert das Routing an der Box. Das kannste mal noch checken. Sonst müsst ich die Box anschalten und gucken, aber das geht halt nicht mehr, weil ich die TR-8s nicht mehr habe ;-) Viel Erfolg!
Can external devices run through the effects of the 8S? That would be a big selling feature. If you mentioned this in the video, my apologies, I'm still in the midst of jumping back and forth in the video. :D Guilty.
The Ext-In can run through the Delay and the Reverb with separate Send Levels. And you can also apply a Sidechain-Effect to this Input! But as far as i remember it doesnt have more than that. Cant check this out because i dont have the TR-8s anymore. I would recommend you check out the Manual for that purpose ;-)
Hi, thanks for this great video tutorial. I just purchased the TR-8S and would like to know if its possible while playing a track to tell quickly which one of the faders or Instrument select buttons have a sound in it? I find it difficult to look through each of the instrument select buttons to see where the sounds are
I have the same problem. I do not understand why they do not have a screen where you can see an image of a drums pattern and see which instruments you are playing.
23:46 Begs the question why Roland put in the possibility to set the rate negative if that does just, well, nothing. This can't be a feature, it has to be a bug right?
Mr umonox it is a big Find of the controldata loss...(the weak point)!! I think it is an important issue for an update!!!! so let's notify Roland for this bug fix!!!! and uh Thanx man!!
Sadly this is not a Bug :-( Roland showed this before and they havent mentioned that it is working with other Parameters at the same time. Its really a weak point, thats for sure! This has to be possible one day.
So Dennis are you indicating that multiple parameters can be changed on a single channel using motion record and that each parameters changes are retained in the new firmware?
Hi it is possible to change different parameters using the controlselect button pushed and swab between the setting and it wil keep for all the possible funktions its setting only 3 functions per sound allow automation atleast thats what i tryed so far... hope that is usefull greetz
@Dennis: Motion Sequence a Parameter you've assigned to the CTRL-Knob of a Track. Now swap out the Parameter assigned to this Control Knob and check if the Parameter you had assigned before still has its Automation going. And whether you can add new Automation with a new Parameter, that doesnt affect the prior one, or not. If this is working, the issue i mentioned has been fixed! But i highly doubt it.
hi, why did you send it back ? And if the raison is because it's not an elektron, do you think it can do the job for someone looking for a drum machine for a home studio ?
Hi. I sent it back because i cant program complex Patterns on it - due to the fact that i cannot Motion Sequence several Custom Assigned Parameters at once. Only that one Parameter which is currently assigned to the CTRL-Knob. This is a major Drawback and should NOT be so damn limiting. Apart from that i was quite happy with this thing though! I like the Effects; especially that customizable Master Effect - and the Scatter also comes in handy for live purposes. Overall i can still recommend it to those that never owned an Elektron Machine (and therefore dont got used to the luxury of their fantastic Sequencer). Go ahead, just try it out! If its not for you, send it back :-)
Awesome vid...are those buttons still working with the way you hammer them home are were you just really excited to spread sunshine all over World with your great demo? lolzi
Hi I've had my 8s for months now, I can't figure out how to get the audio to play in Ableton Live 10. What proper cords do I need for this ? Do I need an audio interface ?
Lt. deiner Kanalbeschreibung bist du aus Deutschland, deshalb frag ich einfach mal in meiner Sprache: Um 10:00 herum erklärst du, dass du beide Ausgänge direkt mit den Eingängen verbunden hast. Dabei sind fast alle Sounds auf "Mix" gestellt und kommen fast daher je nach Panning gleichzeitig aus den Ausgängen A und B. Nur der CC-Sound kommt ausschließlich aus Ausgang A. A ist mit den Eingängen verbunden und die Sidechainfunktion beeinflusst das, was in den Eingängen ankommt, hier also Sound CC. Warum sind nicht alle anderen Sounds auch durch Sidechain beeinflusst? Du musst ja schon alle anderen Sounds hart rechts gepannt haben, oder?
Hi Jörg. Das hast du falsch verstanden ;-) Assign A ist die Stereo-Summe von Ausgang 1 und 2. Die Sounds, die auf Mix stehen, gehen direkt zum Main-Out und der wird hier via USB aufgenommen. An der TR-8s an sich ist der Main-Out gar nicht angeschlossen. Passt also alles :-)
You can automate (P-Lock) the Send Levels for Reverb and Delay and the Tune, Decay as well as one custom Parameter assigned to the CTRL-Knob (which can be the Filter Cutoff of course). Per Track. But thats it. Not multiple Custom Parameters at the same time. Sadly :-/
Can anyone help me out? I have a tr8s, I'm trying to figure out how I can put samples on n the SD card from my computer and load them onto the machine, put in the right order...thanks guys
Its possible, yes. Either keep the Step pressed and change the Pitch Knob (Fine Tuning) or assign the Coarse Tune to the CTRL Knob and do the same with this one.
Keep the Step pressed and dial on the Reverb Level Knob. Keep the Step, that shouldnt have Reverb anymore, pressed and dial the Reverb Level down. That should do the trick.
Yeah, absolutely! If this Update would adress the CTRL-Knob Automation issue i would be more than happy to get the TR-8s again and give it a second chance. Given what else it has on offer, it would deserve it.
a few things that come to mind: - the TR has detailed ACB modelling of the classic 808/909/707/606 sounds, the MC just uses static samples of these machines. this might not be a big deal to you though. - the TR has individual controls (faders/knobs) for each instrument in a kit. - the TR has fx per instrument in a kit, the MC uses one "global" fx for the kit. - the TR can have a different tempo for each pattern, the MC uses the same tempo for all clips/patterns in a project.
Dude not being funny but I think you’re talking a load of ****** think back to the 80s 90s even, they were so limited but look what they made with far basic machines than this. The limit is your imagination and creativity. I say in the restrictions is where we pull our most creative work. This machine is mind blowing powerful. Listen to the best music made I bet 99 times out of 100 it’s the most simplest arrangement. You’re far to obsessed with what you can’t do than what you can do (which is endless might I add) and no I’m not part of Roland or anything. Folks are getting lost, just go make music :-)
Make sure the decay is open full, and if it doesn't play it all go into sample and change the start and stop point, look up unit E tutorial it covers most
Because the Tune Knob was not working properly as i've tested that out. It has a strange Range -127 to 127. Hard to set a proper Pitch that way and as far as i remember it was also just Fine Tuning and did not even reach an Octave Up/Down. But im unable to check that out real quick since i've sent the TR-8s back. Coarse Tune is what delivered proper Note Pitching. Thats why i used it!
@@umonox not strange if you understand digital electronics. its an 8 bit register...7 bits represent 127 binary possibilities and one bit is the sign bit (positive or negative)....oxymoronic that you got rid of this lovely device for something cALLED A DIGITAK
why do anyone has to see this as a sound design machine and compare with electron but not with other drum machines as long as it is a drum machine with additional features. no disrespect, just need to understand the logic behind because Im about to buy one and coming back and forth to buy tr8 instead.
Yes mai freend, dädds rihht. Yuhhr inglisch is also so byutifull and professional in the pronunciation. I tohht since you answer isch in german, so you kän also do something in DEUTSCH!. Batt where wood chips fall, there isch also planing! Jurrieeeeee!
Can i have the stuff you smoked?? :-D Just kidding ;-) Passt schon. Auf Deutsch mal antworten ist ok, aber Videos auf Deutsch ... naja, weißte ja nun selber warum ich das nicht will ;-) Cheers
Sorry, no smoking! But try it with fried Toenails! Passt immer schon. Warum auf deutsch antworten? Du bist ja auch keiner....naja weißte ja selber warum nicht, ne wohhr ;-/ Prost
Weil jeder was davon haben soll. Es gibt nur 3 Länder, in denen man Deutsch versteht, aber nahezu die ganze Welt versteht Englisch. Und diese 3 Länder gehören dazu ;-)
I have a little question, and not really finding info on it nowhere. I want to use the TR-8S as a midi controller, as i was doing with the TR-8 before, but now i only can make it work on the sequencer, but no faders or knobs send no midi! Hope somebody can help me on this Thanks a lot.
It has one Master Effect. Which is the Compressor. And thats it! The rest is CTRL-ALL, which is not an Effect but a Remote Control for one Parameter on all Tracks at the same time ;-) This is not the same.
oh yes true, it overwrites what is going on on the tracks. I kind of work around that with save pattern and reload pattern, when using it live. Not perfect, but workable.
You see ...that nothing is perfect but they made after our comments(the using group) so if there is something missing let us bring them the info en let us see what they can do for an update ( it is only software!!)
The literal selling point of this machine is it has sample playback, not live sampling, but still it gets the job done and is a great machine. He's showing the main thing about the system. It's a TR 8 but it's new features make it something else, something better
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In the first half of the Video (and partly into the second half) it's hard to see the Steps on the Sequencer due to the Lighting. Sorry for that! These Buttons are very shiny and i did not noticed the Result on Video before i was already done "filming".
umonox thank you the great video. Can I have 11 instances of the same sound playing or am I limited to one sound per channel?
So you like elektron over thr roland tr8s
What types of elektrons are comparable to this? What do you use?
@@irok81 Digitakt is probably the closest comparison.
With the firmware now on V3, it would be really interesting to know how much better the TR-8S stacks up than it did five years ago
this is the best drum machine for dance music
When importing samples from the SD Card, you can preview the currently selected sample by pressing the SAMPLE button. It is flashing to indicate it is active. You can even hold the SAMPLE button down and scroll through the sounds and they will automatically play as you select each new sound.
This feature was added in Firmware 1.10, August 2018, after umonox's video was made.
Really helpful video. I’ve upgraded to an s from the standard 8 after Santa treated me. I’ve spent 3hrs tonight playing around and clearly haven’t even scratched the surface. Such an impressive piece of kit from what I’ve seen so far
For ME, it's a tax refund treating me and I am going to get me one of these and a hard case for it.
its gonna be my birthday treatment. Think its just cool. And the sampling options are very cool! Thanks for the video!
Great video umonox - the way to preview a sample is with the square tap-in pad. South East of the TEMPO knob.
There’s a major bug with the Roland TR8s regarding Program Change over midi. Although it may not be important to most single users of the TR8s, if you plan on syncing it up as either master or slave, the following bug is Still present on the machine.
The BUG is When either sending or receiving a Program change message via a midi clock, the TR8S slightly lags behind when the program change is executed.
Yet when a program change is made manually on the TR8s, there is no problem.
It’s been a real pain for me, because the machine itself is amazing.
Great video! Are you going to make a new video showing the new features, work flow, tips and tricks, etc. with the new firmware 2.0 update?
FW 1.1 and 2.0 improved a lot. I think this unit beats the competition. Design, functionality and features are just perfect.
Very thorough run thru. Learned a lot, thanks!
Thanks for making this vid! Straight to the point and super helpful to someone who just got their tr-8s.
Don't forget the TR-8S has audio-outs for each individual channel, allowing to have them multitrack in sync on a DAW where then you can apply any further automations to complete your full track.
Tell me about it, that’s toile the best thing ever .I bought this about a month ago. I literally just thought it was a digital drum machine with the collection of all the old school Roland drum sounds. I used it for about two days and I loved it. And since the third day, I been watching videos and learned so much about what else it can do. I’m blown away. Didn’t know it can trigger out , didn’t know about the external instrument input. Didn’t know it could side chain . Didn’t know shit about it . Ha I’m so glad I got this and wish I gotten it sooner.
That sidechain trick is genius. I use the external outputs loads but never thought to do that.
Great video. I've had this thing since it came out and I learnt a few things from this video, thanks
boa how many minutes in does he explain this??
Great Clip.
Everyone who minds to Bu this piece of hardwar should watch it so he/she can judge what he/she realy gets for her/his money.
Keep up the good work.
Thank you!
I appreciate this video. I just got a TR-8S and I'm finding it really fun and intuitive (mostly, although I did have trouble uploading samples at first...still sort of figuring it out...). But, yeah, I can see your concern/desire about the lack of automation. I feel like so far, making a few samples and then tweaking them with the onboard EFX has been great, and the ability to play live with tweaky, more esoteric samples will be fun. Like you say, it seems they very much designed it for playing live.
Great comprehensive video. Since we are at 1.10 now, some of your concerns I think have been answered. I agree with the motion control but that’s workable by adding a rack to whatever sequencer you’re using in your DAW.
I'm looking to buy a drum machine to get away from clicking a mouse... Have to say one thing I've learnt from all the demo videos is that no matter what machine you use it always sounds amazing! Love the pattern walkthroughs. Keep up the good work. 👍
Thanks for your kind words mate. Really appreciate this!
Time line
1 - Basics 00:41
2 - Sidechain Input 07:10
3 - Alternate sounds / Edit overview 14:01
4 - Sample management 18:09
5 - Sample Editing 21:48
6 - Effects 28:03
7 - Motion sequences (the weak point) 57:04
8 - USB recording in the D.A.W 1:02:49
9 - Fill-in overview 1:04:55
10 - My final toughs 1:08:06
Thank you
GREAT COMPREHENSIVE VIDEO. Thank you!
Great review...I appreciate the depth and honesty....covering good points and bad. Please make more videos 🤞
Hello, late to the party here, but what would you recommend for helping to order ones tracks for live ? the TR-8S, MC707, or the Digitakt?
I like polyrhythms and the whole nine yards.
do you have a video or could you explain how you setup the Tr 8s to work with Ableton via USB? I cannot seem to get it working to record. I currently have an audio interface, but I would like to be able to record all the channels indiviually. For reference I do have a windows computer, with Live 10. I am not sure if that affects it or not.
great walk through. I really want to like this machine, but watching how fiddly that menu diving looks is giving me a headache. maybe it's gonna be the Digitakt after all.
Thank you great video😊
Do you recommend setting master volume and faders to max?
Hi umonox! Weisst Du wie man die Effekte nutzen kann, wenn die Instrumente zu den assignable outputs geoutet sind und nicht über den Mix Out gehen? Danke
I have just purchased a tr8s and so far I love it, I have only had it for 2 days. one thing I really would have liked is a longer predelay on the reverb for use on the kick drum, but so far so good :)
I'm pretty sure they used the motion rec button to layer multiple motion effects from the Ctrl knob in the Roland demo videos. But I'll get mine in a couple days and check to be sure.
Just got mine. About to go home to check this feature out,but did it work out with the new updates that you can motion rec for multiple parameters per track?
Have you actually looped ouput A (stereo) back to the inputs? Do you only use one cable (mono) for the MIX OUT? Why? Sorry for these questions. I am trying to figure out what you are doing, because the information is awesome. Love the sidechaining stuff!
so is that cable looping back from output A to the ext input or is the sidechain being applied internally. Bit confused about how you explained it??? Cheers.
does anybody have a answer to this
@@herbertdoucet6183 what answer are you after sidechain? Main output or assigns??
Can you shift individual steps off the grid to create your own groove?
Yes, there is a nudge function.
Hello! Thnanks a lot for this tour) I still don't get if any kick has so crucial pitch envelope speed and depth parameters on tr-8\8s? Maybe you can assign it to control knob or you can find it deep under the hood?
Looks like lots of great potential I can’t wait to try it out
Have fun mate! Its definitely worth checking it out!
Just got it and I must say if you want a drum machine this does every drum sound you could ever want and if for some crazy reason it does not you can add samples of whatever drum sounds you want. I messed around with the digitakt and I was not happy with how long it takes just to make simple things happen but it does do many things but if you want a very good drum machine the tr8s blows it out the water but if you had both that would be the ultimate setup and they would compliment each other perfectly
@@richardwalley2862 just about to buy a drum machine and I need rich sounds but also user friendly vibe. just because of the digital menu diving thing I tend to go for tr8 but the rich library, sampling stuff, effects, outputs etc, I can't resist them :) what's your thoughts about learning curve on this? the menu diving; does it kill the vibe? is ts8 a better choise?
Hi Umonox, does it have per step editing? So that you could make toms next to eachother different lengths without altering the rest? I'm thinking of your minimal groove on the rytm where you made the front bass tom much shorter. Thanks.
I think it's misguided to expect more options with ACB tones; they are modeling the circuitry of original machines, so the limits are inherent to the source circuitry.
Just because they model the Originals doesnt mean they have to be that limited. Its all DSP in the end, possibilities are big these days. I love limitations; they force you to become creative. But i hate limitations when they slow down the creatitivity! Which is the case here with these ACB tones! Sadly.
I understand where you are coming from, but I will respectfully disagree. Personally, when I'm playing a kit with ACB tones, I like knowing that I'm "playing" a 909 (or whichever drum machine it is) with the same sound options.
Fair enough. I can also understand where you are coming from. From this POV it makes sense, of course. But additional Parameters would still be nice for those not necessarily seeking for the originals. Because, lets be frank: In modern music the Originals are always edited quite heavily. Their Sound is still there - but better, more powerful, more versatile. This is what i would expect from a Machine in 2018 ;-) I would say: Roland should bring the Parameter Selection for the ACB Tones inline with the Parameter Selection for the Samples - and there we go! We would then have Bit Reduction, Stereo Spread and a Filter to work on these Tones - but we mustnt use them if we dont want to. Its better this way than not having the Parameters at hand when you need them i think.
umonox agree great video and write up
Personally I see both sides of this particular argument. My take is that I would really like to have the sample filter options for the ACB tones and hope that Roland add these.
Once your samples are imported are they quickly and easily selectable forever like the factory samples? You don't have to wait for the loading with the machine being unusable each time do you?
Hey there! Thank you for review. This AIRA have sequenser (pattern, song mode)?
No song mode
I've been trying to find a beat machine that's close to or similar to the "E-MU SP-1200 Beat machine"
Would you say that the "Roland TR-8S Rhythm Performer is that machine?
Thanks!
Is motion-rec independent from parameter locking? Also, when i choose a different Parameter for CTRL is the automation lost in that moment or is it saved until i record a new motion with the new parameter?
P-Locking is Motion Rec; its just an alternative way to enter these Motion Sequences.
There's only one Motion Sequence (Automation) for the CTRL-Knob itself. So you dont loose your Automation once you assign a new parameter - but you cant have multiple automation Lanes per Parameter because of this.
I can't seem to find anyone talking about the build quality on this machine? Is it a metal or plastic body?
Thanks so much for the great vid!!
It has a plastic case. Still quite solid as far as i remember, but the knobs were very wobbly. Dont expect them to last that long if you treat them heavily on a regular basis.
@@umonox thanks! Are there any drum machine favorites of yours? I'm happy with Ableton right now but looking for something like this for more interesting live performances
Is it possible to use Delay, Reverb and Overdrive as individual FXs or are they just master FXs?
Sorry just got the TR8s, you can previw samples, press "Shift" then "Sample" and then go to import section. After this you can preview your samples. You can youtube: Roland TR-8s Tutorial: Sample Import its in the last min of this video.
WOW - thank you for the video and for the tips man!
Thank you for this amazing tutorial.
love this tutorial - have started a google doc to get some of these gems down :)
i'm not able to accomplish the side chain portion though, i have two patch cables going from 1 - 2 (a) into L - R (EXT IN) - and when I change output on CC to ASSIGN A I get nothing :\
If I go back to MIX can hear again - assuming I'm missing some simple here - thx if can point me in right direction, and thx a ton again for this video! ✌️
Solved! N00b mistake on my part, didn't have the EXT IN volume turned up, doh!
Hey Hey ! Ich hab den Roland jetzt seid circa 2 Wochen, macht Bock aber ich hab ein fettes Problem und ich weiß nicht genau was ich falsch mache. Es geht um das Abspeichern und es treibt mich in den Wahnsinn! Ich hoffe du kannst mir dabei helfen.
Ich hab einen track gebastelt auf dem Kit88. Alles schön und gut. Alles abgespeichert (Kit Pattern & System).
Jetzt hab ich im Kit 89 was gemacht. Hab abgespeichert und wollte mal bei Kit 88 reinhören.
Und dort waren exakt die Einstellungen von Kit 89 drin.
Wollte den Pattern wechseln aber da dann nichts drin.
Keine Ahnung warum Roland das so Fucking kompliziert macht das ganze abzuspeichern !!
Kannst du mir das bitte erklären wie ich das abspeichern muss?
Weil so macht das keinen Spaß...
Ich hoffe du kannst mir helfen
Very good review, thank you.
I have a question, once it don't have song mode it is possible to change patterns with an external sequencer like the Yamaha Rm1x?
Great reviews man
Hi, thanks for the great video. I wanted to ask- if I was getting this machine as a way to import entire kits from sample company- samples from mars, say a whole Linndrum kit, DMX kit, LM1 kit, C78 kit etc, how many kits could I save into the machine? If this is quite limited, what would be a better option for what I’m looking at?
Lara8 - I believe you can import 256 kits but you should be able to check fairly easily
Joss Price it’s arduous but I got there. You have to import from SD sample by sample and build kits that way
The manual should add an extra page to reference this video. This video is why i subbed . I should thumbs down because there will no longer be no more tutorials.
Does this have a metronome for tracking in the INST REC method?
I have enjoyed your video. Liked & subbed: so lately on my mind, is the TR-8s, BUT I am wondering, is there a more complete groovebox / rythem performer than the TR.
I am a novice in the hardware it self (after understanding the hardware, I let go of my creativity): maybe I compare apples with oranges, but I try my luck with the more experience people among you incl umonox:
If i have buy the first piece of hardware: TR-8s / Digitakt / or something like Akai MPC one/live/or live 2 (after saving up a bit more). Wich one is the more complete one , if you could choose
The tr8s is designed for live jamming mainly, and the digi has the sound design eithic as it's main, so you have the extra design depth, while the tr8s has its tricks too, look up some comparison vids anyhow before you bite, Ricky T has good opinion on the differences and his video was great
How many mono quarter inch jacks would i need for the sidechain and my speaker only allows for one jack input so would i need an adapter cable that it all feeds into one jack to connect to my speakers??
Do i really need this?
Hey, großartiges Video - vielen Dank. Der Support von Roland bei der Installation der Tr-8s ist unglaublich schlecht & als Neuling im Bereich externen Gears habe ich große Probleme bei der korrekten Aufsetzung.
Mittlerweile bekomme ich es hin, die einzelnen Instrumente als einzelne Spuren in Ableton auf dem PC aufzunehmen und das Start Signal für die Tr8s über meine DAW zu schicken. Dabei nutze ich die Tr8s als externe Soundkarte.
Allerdings habe ich ein riesen Problem, dass ich nicht gelöst bekomme - vielleicht kannst du mir helfen.
Läuft nämlich die Tr8s kann ich keine anderen Spuren in meinen Projekten solo schalten, der Sound der Groovebox bleibt genauso prominent. Irgendwo muss es also an meinem Routing hapern oder die Funktion zur Lösung des Problems steckt im Utility-Menü der Tr8s aber ich verzweifle so langsam bei der Lösung dieses Problems.
Lieben Gruß & danke für die Wahnsinnsarbeit, die du in deine Tutorials packst :)
Ich gehe davon aus, dass das Problem darin liegt, dass die Tr8s zum einen ihr Audiosignal direkt an meine Monitore schickt, an die sie über Mix-Out direkt angeschlossen ist & gleichzeitig per USB Sound in meine DAW geht, der dann eben auch hörbar ist. Schalte ich jetzt eine andere, nicht mit der TR8S verbundene Spur solo, so höre ich die und eben über die Direktverbindung der Groovebox zu den Boxen eben auch weiterhin diese.
Hi. Gern geschehen, danke :-) Ich hab die TR-8s nicht mehr hier, kanns dir also nicht genau sagen. Aber schau mal beim Routing der Spuren in der Box selbst, dass die ebenfalls alle auf die Einzelkanäle eingestellt sind. Klingt für mich so, als recordest du den Main-Out mit und als würden die einzelnen Spuren auch noch auf dem Main-Out sitzen. Das ist nämlich glaube der Default. Also: Sie gehen einzeln raus und gleichzeitig auch zum Main-Out, außer man ändert das Routing an der Box. Das kannste mal noch checken. Sonst müsst ich die Box anschalten und gucken, aber das geht halt nicht mehr, weil ich die TR-8s nicht mehr habe ;-) Viel Erfolg!
Danke, ich habs gelöst bekommen. Das Routing ist schon sehr umständlich mit der TR-8S aber jetzt läufts erstmal :)
Can external devices run through the effects of the 8S? That would be a big selling feature. If you mentioned this in the video, my apologies, I'm still in the midst of jumping back and forth in the video. :D Guilty.
The Ext-In can run through the Delay and the Reverb with separate Send Levels. And you can also apply a Sidechain-Effect to this Input! But as far as i remember it doesnt have more than that. Cant check this out because i dont have the TR-8s anymore. I would recommend you check out the Manual for that purpose ;-)
Awesome, thanks for the reply Umonox. Your videos are always informative and enjoyable.
Hi, thanks for this great video tutorial. I just purchased the TR-8S and would like to know if its possible while playing a track to tell quickly which one of the faders or Instrument select buttons have a sound in it? I find it difficult to look through each of the instrument select buttons to see where the sounds are
I have the same problem. I do not understand why they do not have a screen where you can see an image of a drums pattern and see which instruments you are playing.
@@andreumateulamas yeah this is annoying. If the lights on the faders just pulsed slightly to indicate which sounds were playing that would be awesome
Thanks for a great video 👌🏽👍🏽🎵
youre welcome! Thank you.
23:46 Begs the question why Roland put in the possibility to set the rate negative if that does just, well, nothing. This can't be a feature, it has to be a bug right?
Must be a Bug, yeah! Im on 1.04 here; they released a new OS already as far as i know. Maybe its fixed there, but idk.
great video thanks, thinking of getting one ,can I load full tracks into the tr8s
You can load samples via SD Card
32GB max
Good vid but it's annoying how the first initialisation steps are skipped over... without those the rest doesn't make sense!
The best review so far...therefore I just bought the digitakt
why?
Mr umonox it is a big Find of the controldata loss...(the weak point)!! I think it is an important issue for an update!!!! so let's notify Roland for this bug fix!!!! and uh Thanx man!!
Sadly this is not a Bug :-( Roland showed this before and they havent mentioned that it is working with other Parameters at the same time. Its really a weak point, thats for sure! This has to be possible one day.
With the new 1.05 software flash it is fixed..... I got no problems now
So Dennis are you indicating that multiple parameters can be changed on a single channel using motion record and that each parameters changes are retained in the new firmware?
Hi it is possible to change different parameters using the controlselect button pushed and swab between the setting and it wil keep for all the possible funktions its setting only 3 functions per sound allow automation atleast thats what i tryed so far... hope that is usefull greetz
@Dennis: Motion Sequence a Parameter you've assigned to the CTRL-Knob of a Track. Now swap out the Parameter assigned to this Control Knob and check if the Parameter you had assigned before still has its Automation going. And whether you can add new Automation with a new Parameter, that doesnt affect the prior one, or not. If this is working, the issue i mentioned has been fixed! But i highly doubt it.
Soo...what you say about editing sequences, one effect limited, is there any machine which can work with multiple effects for a sequence??
Yes.
Every Elektron box to date
Hi dude,i hope you can help me please. What have i do to shoot tr8-s with computer(ableton) thank you
Best video tutorial for the TR-8S!!!!!
hi,
why did you send it back ?
And if the raison is because it's not an elektron, do you think it can do the job for someone looking for a drum machine for a home studio ?
Hi. I sent it back because i cant program complex Patterns on it - due to the fact that i cannot Motion Sequence several Custom Assigned Parameters at once. Only that one Parameter which is currently assigned to the CTRL-Knob. This is a major Drawback and should NOT be so damn limiting. Apart from that i was quite happy with this thing though! I like the Effects; especially that customizable Master Effect - and the Scatter also comes in handy for live purposes. Overall i can still recommend it to those that never owned an Elektron Machine (and therefore dont got used to the luxury of their fantastic Sequencer). Go ahead, just try it out! If its not for you, send it back :-)
thank you for your answer, and for your work.
Youre welcome.
Thanks for the Video. Does anyone know where do I find the cowbell on this machine?
Awesome vid...are those buttons still working with the way you hammer them home are were you just really excited to spread sunshine all over World with your great demo? lolzi
Thanks for this very informative video. Much appreciated
youre welcome!
Hi I've had my 8s for months now, I can't figure out how to get the audio to play in Ableton Live 10. What proper cords do I need for this ? Do I need an audio interface ?
Either stream all audio channels via a USB lead.
Or run a stereo pair out into your sound card.
If you need any more questions answered shout me back
Lt. deiner Kanalbeschreibung bist du aus Deutschland, deshalb frag ich einfach mal in meiner Sprache:
Um 10:00 herum erklärst du, dass du beide Ausgänge direkt mit den Eingängen verbunden hast. Dabei sind fast alle Sounds auf "Mix" gestellt und kommen fast daher je nach Panning gleichzeitig aus den Ausgängen A und B. Nur der CC-Sound kommt ausschließlich aus Ausgang A. A ist mit den Eingängen verbunden und die Sidechainfunktion beeinflusst das, was in den Eingängen ankommt, hier also Sound CC. Warum sind nicht alle anderen Sounds auch durch Sidechain beeinflusst? Du musst ja schon alle anderen Sounds hart rechts gepannt haben, oder?
Hi Jörg. Das hast du falsch verstanden ;-) Assign A ist die Stereo-Summe von Ausgang 1 und 2. Die Sounds, die auf Mix stehen, gehen direkt zum Main-Out und der wird hier via USB aufgenommen. An der TR-8s an sich ist der Main-Out gar nicht angeschlossen. Passt also alles :-)
OK, danke für die Erklärung.
Can you have multiple automations per track? EG: Coarse tune, Filter Cutoff and Reverb send level change per step on a single sample track?
I see you answered in the final verdict. Shame :(
You can automate (P-Lock) the Send Levels for Reverb and Delay and the Tune, Decay as well as one custom Parameter assigned to the CTRL-Knob (which can be the Filter Cutoff of course). Per Track. But thats it. Not multiple Custom Parameters at the same time. Sadly :-/
thks a lot !!!!
How manny external samples can you load at once?
What does everyone think or combining tr-8s and Digitakt?
user sample ram is what exactly?
roland sys 600 seconds mono
Can anyone help me out? I have a tr8s, I'm trying to figure out how I can put samples on n the SD card from my computer and load them onto the machine, put in the right order...thanks guys
What part of the video does he explain internal side chain trick , dying to know!!
Skip to 7:10, this is where i start explaining this Feature. Cheers
Is it possible to change the pitch per step? If so how???
Its possible, yes. Either keep the Step pressed and change the Pitch Knob (Fine Tuning) or assign the Coarse Tune to the CTRL Knob and do the same with this one.
Thanks!!
How can I change reverb settings pr step? From the owner´s manual this seems possible, but I can only get it work on an instrument level.
Keep the Step pressed and dial on the Reverb Level Knob. Keep the Step, that shouldnt have Reverb anymore, pressed and dial the Reverb Level down. That should do the trick.
Hope they revamp an update for it
Yeah, absolutely! If this Update would adress the CTRL-Knob Automation issue i would be more than happy to get the TR-8s again and give it a second chance. Given what else it has on offer, it would deserve it.
i think u have to render the samples in a DAW cause ~5MB thats a hole track and to much for 11 samples
LG sebastian
Its wav
How dumb is it that I have to plug in cables from the machine straight back into the machine in order to use the internal side chain capabilities?
if you know what side chaining means itanswers your rant I would say.. ;-)
It’s called sidechain patching .. think it as a modular feature.. it’s nice
I think for a similar price the MC-707 makes this redundant now
Mark Hall mc-707 is about 200€ more expensive... not quite the same price range I’m afraid.
a few things that come to mind:
- the TR has detailed ACB modelling of the classic 808/909/707/606 sounds, the MC just uses static samples of these machines. this might not be a big deal to you though.
- the TR has individual controls (faders/knobs) for each instrument in a kit.
- the TR has fx per instrument in a kit, the MC uses one "global" fx for the kit.
- the TR can have a different tempo for each pattern, the MC uses the same tempo for all clips/patterns in a project.
Dude not being funny but I think you’re talking a load of ****** think back to the 80s 90s even, they were so limited but look what they made with far basic machines than this. The limit is your imagination and creativity. I say in the restrictions is where we pull our most creative work. This machine is mind blowing powerful. Listen to the best music made I bet 99 times out of 100 it’s the most simplest arrangement. You’re far to obsessed with what you can’t do than what you can do (which is endless might I add) and no I’m not part of Roland or anything. Folks are getting lost, just go make music :-)
Hi warum machst Du kein deutsches Tutorial?
wieso hastn das Video nicht in Deutsch gemacht.-)? Würde dann alles nen bisschen besser verstehen.-)
Does any one know how to play a long 1 shot sample? I have decay on full but it fades the sample out after 20 sec
Make sure the decay is open full, and if it doesn't play it all go into sample and change the start and stop point, look up unit E tutorial it covers most
hmm... why are you sequencing note changes with the Control knob? and not with the Tune knob?
Because the Tune Knob was not working properly as i've tested that out. It has a strange Range -127 to 127. Hard to set a proper Pitch that way and as far as i remember it was also just Fine Tuning and did not even reach an Octave Up/Down. But im unable to check that out real quick since i've sent the TR-8s back. Coarse Tune is what delivered proper Note Pitching. Thats why i used it!
ah interesting, ok good to know. thanks.
@@umonox not strange if you understand digital electronics. its an 8 bit register...7 bits represent 127 binary possibilities and one bit is the sign bit (positive or negative)....oxymoronic that you got rid of this lovely device for something cALLED A DIGITAK
why do anyone has to see this as a sound design machine and compare with electron but not with other drum machines as long as it is a drum machine with additional features. no disrespect, just need to understand the logic behind because Im about to buy one and coming back and forth to buy tr8 instead.
asking the same question
Gibts das auch mal auf deutsch?
Ist Deutsch ne Weltsprache? Siehste. Also: Nein! :-)
Yes mai freend, dädds rihht.
Yuhhr inglisch is also so byutifull and professional in the pronunciation. I tohht since you answer isch in german, so you kän also do something in DEUTSCH!. Batt where wood chips fall, there isch also planing! Jurrieeeeee!
Can i have the stuff you smoked?? :-D Just kidding ;-) Passt schon. Auf Deutsch mal antworten ist ok, aber Videos auf Deutsch ... naja, weißte ja nun selber warum ich das nicht will ;-) Cheers
Sorry, no smoking! But try it with fried Toenails! Passt immer schon. Warum auf deutsch antworten? Du bist ja auch keiner....naja weißte ja selber warum nicht, ne wohhr ;-/ Prost
Warum machst du das nicht auf deutsch?
Weil jeder was davon haben soll. Es gibt nur 3 Länder, in denen man Deutsch versteht, aber nahezu die ganze Welt versteht Englisch. Und diese 3 Länder gehören dazu ;-)
umonox würde es mir auch auf deutsch wünschen ✌️
thanks for this video.. a pity you mainly used a synth sound instead of drums during the effects part of the vid.
I have a little question, and not really finding info on it nowhere.
I want to use the TR-8S as a midi controller, as i was doing with the TR-8 before, but now i only can make it work on the sequencer, but no faders or knobs send no midi!
Hope somebody can help me on this
Thanks a lot.
thats not possible. for this you need a elektron digitakt i guess.
The digitakt also has master effects though.
It has one Master Effect. Which is the Compressor. And thats it! The rest is CTRL-ALL, which is not an Effect but a Remote Control for one Parameter on all Tracks at the same time ;-) This is not the same.
oh yes true, it overwrites what is going on on the tracks. I kind of work around that with save pattern and reload pattern, when using it live. Not perfect, but workable.
yep, thats also the intended Workflow for this Feature! Because it is exactly this in the end: A live performance feature ;-)
You see ...that nothing is perfect but they made after our comments(the using group) so if there is something missing let us bring them the info en let us see what they can do for an update ( it is only software!!)
idk I think you should look at this as what it is, a drum machine not a sampler
The literal selling point of this machine is it has sample playback, not live sampling, but still it gets the job done and is a great machine. He's showing the main thing about the system. It's a TR 8 but it's new features make it something else, something better
Recording into it into ableton it’s recording is off
returned mine - no song mode = hobbled
Exactly. That's why I won't buy one. Otherwise, it would be just what I want.
I guess they bring the rhythm and you have to be the performer?