Swampfox Sentinel vs RomeoZero vs Shield SMS2 Red Dot Showdown
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- Swampfox Sentinel vs RomeoZero vs Shield SMS2 Red Dot Showdown on the bench today. I'm taking a look at three of the micro red dot offerings available to fit small pistols. The three I'm looking at are the Swampfox Optics Sentinel, the Sig Sauer RomeoZero and the Shield Sights SMS2. The SMS2 came installed on my Canik TP9 Elite SC, the Sentinel and the RomeoZero were purchased separately.
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00:00 Intro
00:11 Glamour Shots
01:23 Overview
02:39 Shield Sights SMS2
03:44 Sig RomeoZero
04:25 Swampfox Sentinel
05:24 Diffences Between the Three
06:54 Specs
09:06 Fit on Canik SC
09:55 Fit on P80 with Adapter Plate
10:18 Video of the Dots
11:15 Wrap Up
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Thanks for taking the time to measure and show us the dimensions.
speedrrracer glad you found it helpful.
Awesome, glad to see red dot options. Nice, thanks for this
No problem 👍
Great review!!!! Thanks for info!
Wish more people did red dot sight reviews for handguns. Not many people do the more unknown companies.
Great info, thank you!
Thank you.
Great review. Thanks. New Sub. I received the Sentinel a couple weeks ago. My batch was one they forgot the waterproof plate in the packaging. Service was responsive. Got the plate and installed now. I have the Shake Awake version for my 365xl. Loving it so far.
Awesome!
Thanks for these videos.
I’m glad you like them.
While choosing an optics for my hellcat and watching a couple of videos. This video is the one that help me decide
Thank you.
Great information buddy. Awesome review
Glad you enjoyed it
Nicely done. I have a Shield and a Sentinel on order. The Sentinel look miles better than the other two., Thanks for doing this
Good choice!
solid review man!
Thank you!
Excellent review.
Glad you liked it!
Thanks!
great review!
Thanks!
Thanks for the video! After watching it I actually ended up ordering a Holosun 507k.
Hope you enjoy it!
The RomeoZero looks like the better option to me with the "Video of the Dots".
Swampfox is so much better. Quality. Glass At a better price than if the polys were in their glass editions. Swampfox hands down
Nice video brother, thank you just got my Canik today & was wondering about the red dot sights & you called it for me, so thanks. Anyway great video keep'em coming..🇺🇸
Thank you. Enjoy that Canik.
Wish you would have shown how they look on the pistol.
If you do a review on function My suggestion on testing the optic dot with an auto adj. Back into a dark corner where the firearm is in the dark but you can see out into a well lit room. Does it still have a good visible dot? I have the sentinel and have found a lot of conditions where the forearm is in a dark area but there is plenty of light out front to identify a target and there is no dot. Never see reviewers test this on these auto on dots. To me is unacceptable for a CCW. I also find my sentinel lens scratched just like a plastic one. Have carried it on a sig P-365XL for several months.
I'll have to try doing that if I get any future auto adjusting dots in. Not sure how I'm gonna pull it off as a one man operation except maybe the GoPro hat clip but I'll keep it in mind.
I'm so glad I got the sentinel.
How do you like it so far?
@@OBNXS1 FYI the swampfox has a glass lens, the other two are polycarbonate.
@@2001wj I just ordered the new shield glass lens model
What’s the MSRP on the new model?
@@OBNXS1 a ridiculous amount if I end up not being happy with it. It's right around the $350 mark
This video is a lifesaver
Glad you got some info out of it.
Thank you sir ..very helpfull as i thought the Shield was my only option. I believe i will try Swampfox.
The Holosun 507k and ADE Spike have come out since this video; so it’s a couple more options.
@@OBNXS1 the 507k fits on the canik elite sc without modifications?
You would need to modify the plastic plate for the 507k or mount directly to the SC without the plate. Neither are good options but it will fit the SC.
@@OBNXS1 thanks I think I’ll just stick with the shield. Your review wasn’t too harsh on it
I really appreciate your input and help Finally got it off thank god 😩
Glad to hear that. Thankfully I didn’t have one stuck that hard on any of mine.
How did you get it off? Mines is stick and I don't wanna scratch it up getting it off
A lot of people have had luck going from the underside of the slide and poking through the holes. Or a small rubber mallet while it’s upside down to jar it loose.
great review. picked up swampfox for my hellcat
Nice! I’ve turned into a huge fan of the Swampfox stuff.
What screws did you use to mount the Romeo Zero. The screws that came with the red dot are to short
I didn’t mount it to the Canik but I think you could use the screws that came with the Canik. If not, there should be a bunch of screws in with the RomeoZero.
@@OBNXS1 mine came with 2 sets of screws
What mounting plate did you use for the sar9x
None. The holes drilled and tapped on the Sar9x match an RMSc patter dot. It’s not an ideal configuration but it will work if you want to try out a red dot on it.
did your Canik with SMS package come with the optics cover plate?
Yes, it was in the box.
Mine did
Dang. I was waiting to hear about being able to co-witness with standard height sights. Please follow up! I'm still looking for the right sight for my Glock 19 Gen 5 MOS.
I don’t think you’re going to find anything that will co-witness with standard sights on the MOS because of the plate. I don’t have an MOS so I can’t tell you if any of these would work.
I have Nite Fission green sights. Swampfox coming out with green dots this month. I am checking with Swampfix to see if the sight and Ironsides with work with my Canik tp9sc
Green not yet ready so I will have Swampfox red soon via ups
I’m getting a Sar9x this week .. I’m considering the Swampfox sentinel ! My question is does it come with correct screws to mount it to the Sar9x or do you know what I need ??
The Sentinel should have what you need. Mine came with 3 or 4 sets of screws in the box.
@@OBNXS1 Thanks
YES
What’s the MSRP on all 3 and what’s the best value? Thank you
MSRP changes and there may be sales on some of these as well. I personally know people who’ve had problems with the RomeoZero (199 AFAIK), I haven’t heard anything about the SMS2 (199 too…I think) but it’s also all polymer and plastic lens as well as auto dimming. The Sentinel (249?) is aluminum and glass, choice of manual or auto, and has an Ironsides shield you can buy for more protection. Plus you can save a little with the link on my website.
Friend, which one is better? Justice or Sentinel?
Those are different footprints. They aren’t interchangeable.
Will the swamp fox fit a xds mod2 osp without any modifications?
Does it have an RMSc cut?
What was the other pistol you showed besides the canik SC
That was a Polymer 80 build cut for RMR but with the Shield Sights adapter plate from RMR to RMSc.
@@OBNXS1 sick bro thank you appreciate it
Sentinel is NICE. I have a manual green dot. Love it
I put the Liberty green dot on my EDC to try out a green dot.
good review
Thank you!
The cover is definitely a nice thing to have while cleaning the slide..i have the zero and now a manual swampfox..i like them both
.the zero is on a 22 so I have alot more time with it..nothing bad to say on my p322..the swampfox is new to me on a canik sfx METE..i like it too
Does the liberty fit the Canik tp9 elite sc just as well as the sentinel ? Or the king slayer.. just trying to get a good list of the red dots that fit without having to modify in any way
Liberty and Justice are RMR pattern, they’re too big for the SC. These three will fit without modification as will the ADE Spike when it is released. The Holosun 507k will fit without the optics plate or you can modify the plate by taking two of the pins off to match the Holosun.
@@OBNXS1 got you. Thanks bro, that’s good info. Academy has the 507c x2 on sale right now so I’ve been considering that but I think that’s too big too right ? I’m stuck between that, a vortex venom, or the sentinel. I think if the venom fits I’ll probably go that direction.
507c is the RMR pattern as well, it will be too big for the SC.
Venom is a doctor cut, another mounting pattern, but will also be too big for the SC.
@@OBNXS1 😳
That sucks man !
Much appreciated tho sir
I can't find the Shield SMS2 anywhere I have the Canik TP9 Elite SC also...
These small red dots are in demand so they’re tough to find right now. I think all the SMS2 production is going into the SCs and Hellcats right now.
I never found 1 either, got a sentinel.
You’re gonna love it.
Which are you currently running on the Canik? I pick mine up in 2 days and am torn between these 3
I got a test sight from ADE in that I have on the Canik right now. I’d definitely be running the Swampfox on it if I got the Canik without the SMS2 on it. I’ve heard a lot about the lens scratching on the Sig and the SMS2 is a plastic lens as well.
Mine came with sms2
@@OBNXS1 polymer
Plastic is a polymer.
@@johnleon2594
Polymer is just a fancy way to say plastic without saying plastic because the word plastic has a negative association. Marketing 101.
Polymer = plastic
Alloy = fake metal/chinese mixed element metal
I waited over 7 months for the Romeo Zero from Optics Planet and still haven’t received it. When I saw the Swampfox Sentinel I ordered it and cancelled the order for the Romeo Zero. Hopefully I will get the Swampfox in a few weeks since it is on backorder until July 25th. I am glad that the Romeo Zero never shipped because when I saw that the Swampfox had an aluminum housing and a glass lense it was a no-brainer selection. I am putting it on a SIG P365 XL. Great review and comparisons.
Thank you. I had the same wait from the same company. My first and last order from them.
I have had nothing but crap experiences with OP! They show stuff in stock but it doesn't ship for weeks / months!!!!
I have had the Swampfox Sentinel mounted on my SIG P365 XL for several weeks now and it is working great. After mounting it onto my P365 XL it took just a few clicks to move the POI a half of an inch to the right and now the POA and POI are the same at around 18 yards. Swampfox rocks!!
Did you get it?
@@dansigmon1559 any modifications required for it to mount on the 365xl? Also what screws did you use? Still holding zero ok as of now?
got my Romeo zero today for my canik and only one of the screws that came with the sight fit into my slide for some reason, it seems like my slide wasnt threaded properly on the right side hole and I have my sight on now but only with 1 screw holding it on so I cant shoot it until I find me a new screw that will work or I might have to get ahold of sig or century arms and tell them my situation and see what my options are (before anyone asks my canik screws didnt work either for some reason im super confused by it but like i said it has to be the threading not going up high enough because those screws only are long enough to go about an 16th of an inch into the slide)
Does the plate tighten down OK?
@@OBNXS1 yeah. It was a son of a bitch tryna get it off today to put the sight on lol
That’s weird that the plate is fine with the screws but the optic isn’t.
@@OBNXS1 yeah i agree super weird
Is the sms2 wider? It's hard to tell it looks the same to me. Also does the sms2 requires you to use the sticker on the battery?
They’re all pretty close to the same width but I don’t remember the exact dimensions without rewatching this video. My SMS2 came with the Canik and had the sticker in it, not sure that it’s required since you’re going to lose it when you put a new battery in it.
@@OBNXS1 did it came with the tools and minidial? All that extra stuff?
Yes, that stuff was in the case with the Canik.
is the SMS2 not auto adjusting? My SMSc is.
It is. I realized that later after this video. It’s tough when you’re trying to get stuff out and there’s no box, because it came in the pistol, and there’s virtually no information available.
The sms2 has auto brightness setting, it’s not what you have is what you have, or whatever you said. Also it is always on and does not shake to wake.
How is your brightness in the dark?
What screws did you use to mount it on the sar9x?
M4 x 0.7 the 10.1mm length
OBNXS1 hum, I don’t understand why those screws won’t fit in the drill holes on my sar9x
There are set screws in the Sar9x to protect the threads and keep stuff out of the slide. You need to remove those and then it will fit.
OBNXS1 thank you
Do you still have the Swampfox Sentinel on your carry gun? I'm considering buying one for my Shield Plus as my eyes are not what they used to be. Thanks
I have a Liberty with Ironsides on my EDC. If I was carrying something that needed the smaller dot, I’d have no problem putting a Sentinel and Ironsides on it for carry. If you’re planning to get one, check my website 😉
I would like to see how the Holosun 407k lines up with these others with same/similar footprint.
Me too. Write Holosun and tell them you saw a really good video on three dots and theirs was missing. They haven’t answered any of my three attempts at filling out their T&E requests.
Does romeo zero and swampfox have same footprint?
Yes they do. Also the SMS2 and ADE Spike when it releases.
I will go with Swampfox plus the Ironsides shield for my Canik TP9 sc.
Now that they’ve released the Ironsides for the Sentinel, it’s an even more robust option.
@@OBNXS1 placed my order!
Arrived today!
I just bought the Hellcat....which optic would you recommend?
Well sounds like of this video...the swampfox is your favorite!
I would definitely go with the Swampfox out of these three. No contest.
@@OBNXS1 Well, I have been shopping and everyone says the same thing swampfox. So....I am in! Thank you sir 👍
Let me know what you think of it. I just picked up a 407k but I haven’t even opened the box yet.
@@OBNXS1 don't you have to do some mod to make the 407k fit the Hellcat?
I have the sentinel auto on preorder
Nice! Let me know what you think of it.
good shit
Thank you.
Wich one is a direct drop in for the sc elite without customising anything?
All three of these will fit the SC with no modifications.
Awsome. Might go with Romero zero . Do you know if the Ade is a direct fit also?
The ADE Spike is also a direct fit.
Awsome I'm mostly likely going with the spikes I've seen some good reviews even on the prototype
I have another question . What ammo are you supposed to use when using a mini reddot I bot one and tried it today but pistol wasnt fully cycleing
Which one is thinner at the base? Or do all 3 allow you to cowitness your irons?
Swampfox is thickest at the base but it's all aluminum; the other two are polymer.
@@OBNXS1 so the swamp fox can't allow for co witness of iron sights and the other 2 can?
All of them will likely need taller sights depending on the pistol and how deep the optic cut is. I can’t answer that without having the pistol in hand.
Ok. I was thinking the sites came the same size regardless 9f whether it came with the shield optic or not. I'll check, and if I find out I'll let you know
What gun are you planning on?
What is your favorite SAR ?
I’m torn between the P8S and the Sar9x. I really like a lot about both of them.
I noticed the Swampfox has a red glare at the top of the lens even on medium brightness. At the 10:15 mark.
I haven't noticed that at all in use. That may just be the camera picking up the lens coating or something the eyes can't.
Edit: It's definitely something from the camera angle, it's not visible by eye.
@@OBNXS1 I have the Auto and can see the glare with my eyes and through a camera. I think the emitter shroud is cut too high causing the dot to be over exposed.
I’d reach out to Swampfox about it. I’m not seeing that on mine.
i have the sentinel Auto coming. I had talked with owner and he said that they got the technology and brightness to work properly on theirs. I saw a video they have going in dark room and you can still see dot even when pointing it at a spot with weapon light or a window with sunlight. My Holosun SUCKS at stuff like that. plus when carrying the light will dim WAY down to lowest setting vs the manual will be on what ever you set it at and it will be ON all the time while carrying it so the manual while carrying will burn more battery than the auto as most will have the manual at least the mid or brighter setting and will be that way while you carry. Looking forward to trying mine out!
Let me know what you think of the auto brightness when you get it in hand. The Holosun being so bad at it is what made me pick the manual version.
@@OBNXS1 will do. the issue is Holosun ties the damn auto part in with the solar part so no light it screws everything up. if you cover up the solar panel it messes up the optic completely for a while. take and watch this. if this was my Holosun I could not see the dot AT ALL. ua-cam.com/video/X9SyEH27v_o/v-deo.html
Are both sentanal models shake and wake or is it just model a
@@faz3chicken751 no. Just manual. Auto s always on but dims WAY down in storage or concealed vs manual is always on what ever brightness settings you have while carrying
@lee dude!!! You save me money! Will probably cancel my 407k... they taking way too long.. what do you think? Swap over??
Do they all fit the sar 9x
Yes, anything RMSc footprint should fit it.
Do these also work for the Springfield hellcat
I believe so. Unless I’m wrong, the Hellcat takes an RMSc pattern red dot. All of these are the RMSc pattern.
There is someone doing a video of the swamp box on the Hellcat.
These all fit the Hellcat.
Thanks guys
Yea but good luck finding a laser/light combo for that gun.
I believe the sms2 automatically adjusts
Just found your channel and subbed. I like finding new gun channels. Really enjoy the videos. Only advice so far is turn down the music a couple notches please.
Thanks for checking me out…I’m better now about equalizing the music to the talking sections of videos.
My new Romeo Zero red dot came with a hard metal shield if u want to see it I'll upload a video
I’ve seen them in the blister packs now that they’re shipping with the shield. I haven’t requested one from Sig yet.
Sweet I just ordered one 😄
Which one?
@@OBNXS1
The Sentinel
Nice! I know they’re running a bit of a back order now but I think you’re going to like it when it comes in.
@@OBNXS1
I think so too. I'm going to put it on the same gun
On the Elite SC? I ended putting my Sentinel on the Sar9x and kept the Elite SC with the Shield. But the Sentinel on the SC will make one hell of a nice carry pistol.
The Shield SMS2 should have auto adjustment for brightness
It is. Now that I've had it longer and have been inside and outside more with it, it's easier to notice the difference.
OBNXS1 Cool so far I like my SMS2
Kill the head banging intro music!
Then we’d all just be sitting here silently.
How much swampfox will it fit canik elite sc were can i buy one
The Swampfox is about $270 and it’s available on their site. I think they’re having a sale right now. Yes, it will fit the Canik Elite SC.
Sentanal wat model is shake and wake a or m or both
Manual is shake and wake, the auto dims down if it's put away.
Paid $231 including shipping for the shake awake version of the Sentinel today.
@@Doze320 Where at?
Wow that intro made me def🤯
It’ll come back. Sustained extreme levels is what leads to hearing loss.
What one would you buy for the HellCat for carry? Bout to pull the trigger tonight on one. Thanks for great video! You are awesome! I do t care what sarge says about you!
I don’t care what Sarge says about me either. If I did, I probably wouldn’t still like him.
I’d honestly go with the Swampfox for carry. Even though I know the others are going to be fine, I’d want the aluminum housing for my own peace of mind.
The Daily Shooter and Canik Fanatik have a code for Swampfox that will save you a chunk as well.
OBNXS1 awesome that’s the way I was leaning! I’ll look them up and get that code thanks again! Your the best love the content!
Keep sarge, Gizzard, and the snob in check!
I just ordered one, and got a holster from Vedder to fit it! Thanks for the help!
I found a place selling the glock 17 mos gen 5 for $529! But they don't have stock and there is no guarantee.. i saw the sar this morning, and knowing that I have rmr options, I'm buying the platinum now!
Thanks so much for these videos. Ima try to get you some subscribers.
The Sar9x takes the smaller optics like the Swampfox Sentinel and the Sig RomeoZero. I think you’re gonna like it a lot.
@@OBNXS1
I meant to say sight options. Have any recommendations for sellers?
I really like the Swampfox Sentinel. The Daily Shooter has a discount code for them.
@@OBNXS1
You're awesome 👌
@@OBNXS1
I have 1 more day till I can pick it up, but after my personal research I think I'll get the Romeo Zero for my SAR9X.. I really appreciate this community. 🙏🏼🇺🇲💜
After watching I’m definitely going with the Holosun 4 or 507k for my canik elite sc. thanks for the video.
Let me know how it works out. I’ve heard it requires some modifications if the optic cut has the locator pins.
@@OBNXS1 507c wont fit on canik sc its to long
507c is different from the 507k we were discussing.
@@OBNXS1 ive seen several people post it dont fit. If it has the same footprint as the Romeo zero then yes. It will fit but ive seen forums of it not fitting
The 507k has kind of the same footprint as the RMSc, I’ve heard that the optic plate needs to be modified.
Good video...But why do alot of channels start their video by talking at one level, But then Blast music so you gotta run the volume down fast...then they start talking and you gotta crank it back up just to hear them ? Doesn't they have a volume leveling slider?
UA-cam requires us to keep you on your toes. 😁
Honestly, I didn’t realize it was that far off. It’s something I’ll have to pay more attention to.
Leave it to Sig to sell you a $200+ red dot in a blister pack... I have one on my P365 XL and so far 300 rounds it works.
Saving that packaging money...maybe.
250 rounds thru my romeo zero and ejecting brass ruined the lense within 20 shots. Also, carefully using alcohol and a qtip as the owners manual instructed completely ruined the emitter and lense. Shooting with a slightly wet gun and using clp, some clp blasted up onto the lense, and the coating came off. I've had the romeo zero for 2 months. Before I even shot, opening the blister pack, a couple of plastic shards fell onto the lense, using my breath I blew it off, and it scratched the lense. I wouldn't even pay 50 bucks for the sig romeo zero. Also, no cover on the bottom allowed a bit of CLP in during cleaning, I learned the electronics are coated in epoxy for "waterproofing" which not only leaked out and into my chamber when it melted under heat within the first 50 rounds, the clp degraded it and now the electronics shake freely and rattle inside the housing.
In short, just simply using the romeo will ruin it. They require you to torque the unit down to 9 inch pounds, which isnt enough to keep the screws tight without lock tite, which they do not include. To turn the emitter on you need to fashion yourself a tool, I use my smart pen on my phone which is a Samsung galaxy note 8. But if I use anything else I risk destroying the lense. And if you push too hard on the button it falls into the unit and gets stuck. So adjusting brightness is a serious challenge. Just some info I thought I'd share about sigs romeo zero. Also the tape they give you to keep the battery in is the shape of the unit, you will not be able to get a replacement for it when it stops sticking. So you'll be forced to use normal tape, which wont keep it moisture proof. I live in wi, I dont even wanna carry this in the cold. Just a range toy you'll ruin after a few other range toys get ruined while ur figuring out what optic to carry. It will NOT last you a lifetime or even close.
I’ve heard some horror stories on the RomeoZero but it sounds like you’ve hit every single one of them.
@@OBNXS1 I have one and its been fine. It does it job as a red dot. The on off button was after thought. The next version will be better. Haha
Yea, that adjustment button is stupid. My RomeoZero has been fine but I had a friend that had a bad one right off the bat, and it came in his P365xl. Sig was fantastic on the customer service in getting a new one out to him though.
You didn't talk about any features.... What about the 2 with built in sights ... Do they work.????
If you had the correct height front sight AND sighted it all in by drifting the optic so that you were zeroed on the notch, then yes they would work...until you took the optic off to change the battery and then you'd need to do it all over again. Far more labor and ammo intensive than re-zeroing your red dot when you change the battery. Get suppressor height sights and co-witness, the notch is a gimmick.
@@OBNXS1 Thanks
No they don’t work with factory irons! All 3 will work with the correct supp height irons tho
Still unsure of which to choose, all I know is the Canik TP9 SC RULES !! Freakin love my edc. Just added the baldr mini to it. Now just need to decide between all these awesome red dot options.. 🤔🔫
Right on!
Go with the swampfox,the other 2 or junk n my opinion
Swampfox is my choice too.
OBNXS1 yep its way better....good vid👍
I love my swampfox justice on my canik tp9sfx
Just ordered the Sentinel.
I just recently started looking at pistol RDS and the Romeo Zero was my first pick but I didn’t care for the polymer housing. My only complaint about the Sentinel is that it has to be removed to change its battery. But looking at the big picture, that’s not that big of a deal.
I think you’ll like it.
Holosun 507k is the only small dot right now that can remain on the gun for a battery change…but they went with a proprietary bottom on it so you have to modify your optics plate, if your gun takes one.
Holosun 507k is the only small dot right now that can remain on the gun for a battery change…but they went with a proprietary bottom on it so you have to modify your optics plate, if your gun takes one.
Holosun 507k is the only small dot right now that can remain on the gun for a battery change…but they went with a proprietary bottom on it so you have to modify your optics plate, if your gun takes one.
I ordered a magpul stock from optics planet in feb 2021….still waiting
#neveragain
The shield is Also auto adjust .
Check out the ADE Spike video. Unfortunately it wasn't even around to make it into the showdown but I've got it now.
ua-cam.com/video/P3WnhaenUb0/v-deo.html
I’m planning on ordering a swampfox thru OpticsPlanet, should I expect a long delay for delivery ??
If midway USA has them in stock. Use them. Optics planet takes forever to ship. Got mine from midway in 4 days
@@thomasmorris3780 nice thanks bro !
I've ordered exactly one thing from Optics Planet...it took 7 months to get it.
@@OBNXS1 🤭
That’s just unacceptable.. I’m seeing the Romeo0 on there right now n it says free 2 day shipping is available so I’m still trying to decide
My gun shop has them for $20 more so I’m left trying to decide if I should just pay the extra to get it on the spot n not even stress the eta issue
🤔🔫
That’s exactly what I ordered last December from them and was supposed to ship mid-January. I’ll never order from them again.
These fit on the sar9x correct ?
Yes, all three of these have the RMSc footprint/hole placement so you can put them on the Sar9x.
Sig dropped the ball on this one. I got a 3moa and 6moa and both scratch soooo easy it’s not even funny. Alcohol with microfiber swabs and lense towel and still both got so many scratches which sucks because I really like Sig but this sight sucks ass. Real glass would’ve made it 100x better I could live with the polymer housing. Just ordered the swampfox as I couldn’t find any Holosuns
Holosuns are rare as hell. I think you’ll like the Swampfox.
I think I will too. My biggest thing is as long as the glass doesn’t scratch I will be fine. Really disappointed in sig. If they put a plus and minus button on the outside and put actual glass in it I’ll buy it again. I’m not too picky but when the red dot gets scratched the red dot shows every scratch and messes with my sight picture so that’s a no go.
I just put the sms2 on my canik and decided to check the auto brightness outside at 1 am and it's useless.
It's almost not on at all and hard to line back up fast,and the front scratched very easy,there was a little bit of the usual stuff on the inside after 100 rds and pretty much nothing except a little bit of smug around the edge on the outside and I was worried about scratching the inside even after cleaning it very easy with lense cloth and using a qtip to lightly get anything out and the side that didn't have any gunk from firing ended up with several small scratches.
I'm severely disappointed that it's so fragile for the price.
I've had glasses that were buy one pair get a pair free for $70 that didn't even have scratches after 2 years and within 30 mns the shield has damage in front.
It's a joke
darknature79 wow, sorry to hear about all the problems. Have you tried contacting Shield Sights?
@@OBNXS1 not yet,it happened last night
I’d definitely reach out. I haven’t had any reason to deal with Shield’s customer service but I haven’t heard any horror stories either.
@@OBNXS1 I just emailed them to see what they say.
I'm still amazed at how easy the outside front scratched.
The sig Romeo 0 is not bad at all... Perfect on my p365xl
A lot of people, including a good friend of mine, have had issues with the RomeoZero. Hopefully they’ve got it sorted out, and it helps that they now ship with the aluminum shield to protect them.
The Sig romeo isn’t a shake awake.
Sig Sauer would disagree.
I hate my romeo zero. Going to get the 507 or sentinel to replace it
Depending on what you're going to put it on the 507k needs the plate modified because I've heard it doesn't have all four holes on the bottom.
I was waiting on the release of the Holosun 507k to put on my TP9 Elite SC. Then I found out it's not plug and play. It requires modification to fit. I've seen several positive reviews on the Swampfox Sentinel so I ordered one today. Use coupon code "Dailyshooter" for 20% off. My son has the RomeoZero on his P365XL. While nice, I prefer the aluminum housing on the Sentinel.
What needs to be modified? Is the 507k not on the RMSc footprint?
@@OBNXS1 The base tabs have to be filed down and you need to track down screws that will work. The one that come with the gun and those supplied by Holosun will not work.
@@OBNXS1 Here's a link to the screws that will work: www.asaphobbies.com/hot-racing-aon331fh/25034-stainless-steel-m4x16mm-low-profile-flat-head-cap-screws.html#product-description-tab-content. AND an explanation of what had to be done for the 507k to fit: "I placed the 507k on top of the plate and saw that the rear raised ’stabilization’ posts would have to be removed in order for the sight to sit flush on the plate and slide. I simply used an ignition file (very fine toothed) and filed the posts completely down to flush. Refitting the sight on to the slide and plate, it appeared that there was still a gap between the sight and plate but thought that once the screws were inserted with proper torque this gap would disappear."
Well that sucks, I thought everyone was going with the same footprint on the small ones.
@@Doze320 This adjustment is required for Canik Elite SC or some other gun. I've heard the HellCat had to be modified, but have not heard about the Canik
You know, rather than repeatedly complaining about the battery falling or of the Romeo Zero, just hold hold the it upside down, place the battery in it and then seat it onto your gun upside down, flip it over and insert screws... It's not rocket science. 🙂
I think, something to consider for future reviews of these sights, I'd really be interested in the comparisons of the heighth of the base, to give an idea on how well each allows the co-witnessing of the iron sights.
Thanks.
But then you wouldn't know how stupidly annoying it was, and what a complete oversight by the engineering team, that they couldn't add that one tiny piece or spring steel in there to keep the battery in place.
@@OBNXS1 Yeah, I guess that little tab would be worth the extra $160 for the shield. 😏
I do agree that it's silly not to have some retention, but as I mentioned above, it's hardly an issue.
My SMS2 adjusts itself automatically..
Sure does...sometimes my humanity wins out and I make mistakes.
Wish I'd have gotten the shield or swamp fox. I went with the Romeo zero and it likes to cut out completely sometimes when I'm shooting which is absolutely awful.
You can try putting a thin piece of rubber underneath the battery on it. I don’t know if that will help but it can’t hurt.
You can try putting a thin piece of rubber underneath the battery on it. I don’t know if that will help but it can’t hurt.
Does your Swampfoz turn off in the dark
No, it's manual brightness.
I’m mad that mine didn’t come with a red dot
My original SC didn't have one either. I traded that one in to get this one with the dot.
@@OBNXS1 wish that option was available in my area. But they sell too fast. Took me 6 months to get mine
Swampfox is better use it on my Hellcat.
My choice as well.
After having the Shield, I can say it sucks. No click adjustment and the dot is like 80MOA 😂🤣 you can’t see a damn thing with that bright ass dot and there are no level settings to change the brightness.
Have you tried any other dots? I’m wondering if you might have astigmatism if it looks that big. Is it a starburst?
@@OBNXS1 no sir I don’t have any type of eye problems. I was joking about the 80 MOA but the dot is noticeably larger than something that’s 2 MOA though. And I think the fact that you can’t turn it down makes it more dramatic than what it truly is.
I think it’s a 3.5 IIRC. But yea, I much prefer a manual adjustment myself because the auto adjustment is almost never right no matter what manufacturer.
The music sucks. But good Job .l ordered the swamp fox
As does your comment...so there’s that.
Holosun beats them all
507k requires you to modify the mounting plate, have a pistol cut, or mount without the plate on a platform meant for a plate. So...not quite.
I’ve tried all red dots on this video + Holosun on my P365 XL and Canik TP9 Elite SC. No modification needed on the Sig. Mounting plate for the Canik needs to be shaved a bit which took literally 2 seconds to do. Comparing the housing material, lens quality, ease of use and battery location...Holosun easily. Swampfox coming in at #2. Romeo Zero is just horrible.
I agree on the RomeoZero. I just picked up a 407k and I’ll be testing that on my P365. I’ll admit that the battery location is a huge plus over all of them but having to modify the mount can be a huge issue for some people/pistols. It was an idiotic move on Holosun to completely disregard what was pretty much the standard for micro RDS. We don’t need a dozen different cuts like the larger ones.
Swampfox all day
Sig Romeos are garbage.
Like my Shield sight but still prefer the sentinel
My RomeoZero has been fine but I had a friend with a bad one out of the box.
@@OBNXS1 I had to send my Romeo 1 back to Sig multiple times.I gave up and sold the gun because of it.Of course Sig released the Romeo pro and Zero after the matter.Hope your zero continues to work
Do the vast majority of UA-camrs particularly LIKE to make ears bleed? Between talking points an music montagages...sheesh, BALANCE.
We try but we’re not always successful.
Some ears just won’t bleed. 😁
I bought the Sentinel in September 2020. 2nd time at the range the elevation adjustment spring broke. I’ve sent several emails to Swampfox customer service over the last month. I have received no reply emails as of this date. Swampfox customer service is horrible. Buy from another company that cares about their customers.
Have you tried calling them or reaching out through Instagram or Facebook? I’ve seen them respond pretty quickly through both of those.
This guy is a lying s o b ! I own 2 sentenials auto and manual! Had a problem with the auto after a year of owning it , emailed them and they replied the next day with send it back and we’ll send u anew one ASAP! About 5 days later I recieved my brand new one that fast! No questions ! This guy is full of shit!
He may have had a genuine issue with the CS. Not my experience, or yours obviously, but that doesn’t mean he’s lying.
@@OBNXS1 ok, so my point being, saying cs is horrible is bs! He probly didn’t follow procedure rite to contact them ! I bet it was user error on his part! Don’t go bashing a company taking sales away from people that I’ve had above satisfactory cs with for once on a product! It’s bs
Swampfox by a mile...
The aluminum housing really pushes it over the other 2 IMHO.
@@OBNXS1 absolutely...not that polymer is terrible. But for an optic and a high touch point on the slide, I'd prefer the aluminum. Would love to see the Swampfox compared to some of the new Holosuns like the 508t
I have a 507c and both of the new Swampfox RMR footprint optics. I’d love to be able to compare the 507k to these small ones but Holosun has ignored me all three times I’ve filled out their form to test one. And finding one to buy is nearly impossible.
I never made it to your comparison, your choice of music sent me running....
Not fast enough apparently.