Wow..! I was looking for if this technique would be possible cause I'd wanna hook my no input mixers to Korg SQ-1 to controll the process and of course you have a video about it!🤩 Love your channel more and more! Thanks again for visiting mine!
Great stuff here. Control voltage applied to an audio signal will introduce DC offset, which can cause some interesting effects, but since the circuits in your mixer and interface appear to be AC-coupled, the sound quickly slides back to the original as it 'adjusts' to the offset introduced by your sequencer's pitch CV. Some audio interfaces are DC-coupled and actually allow you to send and receive control voltages accurately.
I wonder if this would work with the same mixer - amount of difference between the steps controlling interruptions, rhythm control rather than pitch control. ua-cam.com/video/SbPS8vayXfo/v-deo.htmlsi=MkKtxZeBdCjjarSh
Now, what you could try. If your filter accepts CV: Since the filter can self oscillate (resonance set above 70%), you can CV modulate the cutoff (FREQ). I often use this technique in order to get a sine wave... without a VCO! I call it the NO-VCO technique. If your filter does not have a CV input (maybe it's hackable?!), but has multiple inputs (there's typically a mini-mixer at the input): You can add the BeatStep Pro CV to the incoming signal from the mixer. WARNING: NEVER USE A MULTIPLE OR A SPLITTER TO COMBINE SIGNALS - YOU CAN FRY ONE OF THE CONNECTED DEVICES OUTPUT SECTION! ALWAYS USE A MIXER - EVEN A PASSIVE ONE.
Thanks for the suggestion! Yes, the filter that I use has cv inputs both for gate and for the cutoff, so it can basically be used as a playable oscillator. For example in all of the tracks of my last album "Destroy Everything, Destroy Everyone" the kick drum and the bassline are produced at the same time with the filter controlled via cv.
@@AndreijRublev Which is more or less how I simulate drums on my synth, currently. I'm planning to build some percussive module in the future, though. Since I can't afford the cheap, analog and very complete Delptronics LDB2. The shipping costs + taxes from the USA are PROHIBITIVE.
I'm not much into modular synths but have some CV sources, and I'm wondering how much electricity (voltage, current and whatnot) is CV compared to the audio signal that is going through mixer? Very inspirational stuff!
From what I understood about this topic in the previous months (speaking with people with more knowledge than me and reading comments around the internet): it is a difference between AC current and DC current. Audio signal is AC and CV is DC. Mixers are of course built to handle audio signals, so when you put a CV signal into a mixer circuit it just interfere with the audio feedback, (if the CV signal is strong it cuts out the audio one, if it is weak it just change it a little bit) then the circuit goes back to its normal state and goes back to the audio feedback.
Hello there and friendly greetings! Unfortunaterly I have not found another less intrusive way to contact you so here you will enjoy my textwall! 😆 So, I have put my hands on a second hand (meh...) mixer and tried some NIM myself. Too bad I have a channel strike so I won't be able to upload a thing until Sept. BUT, I discovered a lot of things. I just "worship" randomness in Music/Sounds and NIM (Non Input Music/Non Input Mixer, choose the one you fit better! 🙂I'll stick with the first one) is randomness at a very high level. I feel the need to give some very specific input to the randomness so that it turns into a very low frequency autogenerative soundscape: for istance, two oscillators with very precise frequencies can create some sort of "long wave" very regular oscillation. Two Lissajous' LFOs with a very slight different parameters can create a "never seen before and never to be seen again" highly chaotic movements. Under this perspective, NIM is quite hard to "master" unless you couple it with an eurorack synth. And TBH that would be my biggest "wet dream" ever (that's why I wrote my message under this video) but so far even a basic eurorack set is out of my economic league so I use an emulator. Speaking of this, watching your videos gave me A LOT of inspirations. Don't mind the publishing date, you can listen to my latest "noise patches" here ---> skwareuawe.bandcamp.com/ - Carrion - Concert for tinnitus, biphasic electricity and voices in the head I need to find the way to bring the NIM outputs inside my PC and use them for the next work. If I can successfully apply some rand LFO/CV controller generator to an already rand source but with the ability to define some initial state from where to start a self generative "growing entity" I will find my definitive Heaven. And yes, a good part of this whole research/discovery journey is your fault! 😄
Super glad to hear that you are looking for new solutions and combinations with no input techniques! And thanks for the listening suggestions. You can totally connect your no input setup to your pc using an audio interface. If your audio interface has multiple assignable outputs you can use one of them to send an LFO from your software into the no input mixer! For example I have a Focusrite and with the dedicated software I can assign whatever input, including the digital audio from the pc to any output. A couple of days ago I made a pretty similar setup using a videocall audio into a no input mixer. Totally doable!
@@AndreijRublev Ah, so I should change NIM to NIT to be more precise. I think the software I am using (VCV Rack) can do that, export a signal (whatever it is) to the external world to drive a device. Otherwise I can see if there's an interface suitable for the need. The fact that you say it's doable is a start! P.S. I've checked the Focusrite. Is this the thing you are using? --> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focusrite
@@AndreaArturoGiuseppeGrossi Yes, you can totally do that with vcv rack, sending its signal out from your audio interface to your no input setup. I use a Focusrite 18i8 (and a 18i20), but the smaller versions have multiple assignable outputs too. Of course it works also with other audio interfaces. The basic principle is the same.
@@AndreijRublev low-gain electronics sells a passive matrix mixer. an easy way to disrupt the feedback path is plugging one side of a cable in and touching the other end! can do cool thymic stuff like that
I didn't understand exactly what you mean, but I have some news about the topic of CV and no input mixers/feedbacks. I'll probably do a follow up video soon with the help of some friends who have more electronic and circuits knowledge than me ;)
Wonderful work, you’ve turned Lou Reed’s Metal Machine Music into a symphony. Inspiring sound.
Thank you so much!
Wow..!
I was looking for if this technique would be possible cause I'd wanna hook my no input mixers to Korg SQ-1 to controll the process and of course you have a video about it!🤩
Love your channel more and more!
Thanks again for visiting mine!
@@hellf.o Thanks! Happy the video is useful!
The more I watch your video's the more I really love your work, and the more mixers I want to buy. Nice job!
Thanks! Much appreciated!
Great stuff here. Control voltage applied to an audio signal will introduce DC offset, which can cause some interesting effects, but since the circuits in your mixer and interface appear to be AC-coupled, the sound quickly slides back to the original as it 'adjusts' to the offset introduced by your sequencer's pitch CV. Some audio interfaces are DC-coupled and actually allow you to send and receive control voltages accurately.
Oh nice! I'm basically new to this, thanks for sharing these infos!
I wonder if this would work with the same mixer - amount of difference between the steps controlling interruptions, rhythm control rather than pitch control. ua-cam.com/video/SbPS8vayXfo/v-deo.htmlsi=MkKtxZeBdCjjarSh
very satisfying outcome!!
Thanks! Glad you appreciate it!
I hope that the museum you're going to visit is... not obsolete!
no spoiler ;)
@@AndreijRublev I did not. But, for me, there's one museum only... 😀
@williamwallace2K oh you didn't! I meant that I won't do any spoiler eheheh. And maybe you will be surprised ;)
@@AndreijRublev ... once again. 😀
This and then MPP Harsh Noise pt.1 premiere?!?!? Sunday, Funday! 🥳
Let's go! This one is a perfect waiting room for the Magpie Pirates collab!
Very enjoyable & a great philosophy on sharing knowledge.
Thanks! Super important for me too!
You never stop surprising me (in a positive way)!
Thanks!
@@AndreijRublev Thank YOU for sharing!
Cheers Andreij been looking forward to this vid all week
Oohh thanks! Hope you like it!
8:30 dude that is banging
Thanks! Glad you like it!
Keep it up dude, you stuff is amazing
Thank you! Happy you liked it!
Now, what you could try.
If your filter accepts CV:
Since the filter can self oscillate (resonance set above 70%), you can CV modulate the cutoff (FREQ).
I often use this technique in order to get a sine wave... without a VCO!
I call it the NO-VCO technique.
If your filter does not have a CV input (maybe it's hackable?!), but has multiple inputs (there's typically a mini-mixer at the input):
You can add the BeatStep Pro CV to the incoming signal from the mixer.
WARNING: NEVER USE A MULTIPLE OR A SPLITTER TO COMBINE SIGNALS - YOU CAN FRY ONE OF THE CONNECTED DEVICES OUTPUT SECTION!
ALWAYS USE A MIXER - EVEN A PASSIVE ONE.
Thanks for the suggestion! Yes, the filter that I use has cv inputs both for gate and for the cutoff, so it can basically be used as a playable oscillator. For example in all of the tracks of my last album "Destroy Everything, Destroy Everyone" the kick drum and the bassline are produced at the same time with the filter controlled via cv.
@@AndreijRublev Which is more or less how I simulate drums on my synth, currently.
I'm planning to build some percussive module in the future, though.
Since I can't afford the cheap, analog and very complete Delptronics LDB2.
The shipping costs + taxes from the USA are PROHIBITIVE.
I'm not much into modular synths but have some CV sources, and I'm wondering how much electricity (voltage, current and whatnot) is CV compared to the audio signal that is going through mixer? Very inspirational stuff!
From what I understood about this topic in the previous months (speaking with people with more knowledge than me and reading comments around the internet): it is a difference between AC current and DC current. Audio signal is AC and CV is DC. Mixers are of course built to handle audio signals, so when you put a CV signal into a mixer circuit it just interfere with the audio feedback, (if the CV signal is strong it cuts out the audio one, if it is weak it just change it a little bit) then the circuit goes back to its normal state and goes back to the audio feedback.
@@AndreijRublev Oh that makes sense!
Hello there and friendly greetings!
Unfortunaterly I have not found another less intrusive way to contact you so here you will enjoy my textwall! 😆
So, I have put my hands on a second hand (meh...) mixer and tried some NIM myself. Too bad I have a channel strike so I won't be able to upload a thing until Sept.
BUT, I discovered a lot of things.
I just "worship" randomness in Music/Sounds and NIM (Non Input Music/Non Input Mixer, choose the one you fit better! 🙂I'll stick with the first one) is randomness at a very high level. I feel the need to give some very specific input to the randomness so that it turns into a very low frequency autogenerative soundscape: for istance, two oscillators with very precise frequencies can create some sort of "long wave" very regular oscillation. Two Lissajous' LFOs with a very slight different parameters can create a "never seen before and never to be seen again" highly chaotic movements.
Under this perspective, NIM is quite hard to "master" unless you couple it with an eurorack synth. And TBH that would be my biggest "wet dream" ever (that's why I wrote my message under this video) but so far even a basic eurorack set is out of my economic league so I use an emulator.
Speaking of this, watching your videos gave me A LOT of inspirations. Don't mind the publishing date, you can listen to my latest "noise patches" here ---> skwareuawe.bandcamp.com/
- Carrion
- Concert for tinnitus, biphasic electricity and voices in the head
I need to find the way to bring the NIM outputs inside my PC and use them for the next work. If I can successfully apply some rand LFO/CV controller generator to an already rand source but with the ability to define some initial state from where to start a self generative "growing entity" I will find my definitive Heaven.
And yes, a good part of this whole research/discovery journey is your fault! 😄
Super glad to hear that you are looking for new solutions and combinations with no input techniques! And thanks for the listening suggestions. You can totally connect your no input setup to your pc using an audio interface. If your audio interface has multiple assignable outputs you can use one of them to send an LFO from your software into the no input mixer! For example I have a Focusrite and with the dedicated software I can assign whatever input, including the digital audio from the pc to any output. A couple of days ago I made a pretty similar setup using a videocall audio into a no input mixer. Totally doable!
@@AndreijRublev Ah, so I should change NIM to NIT to be more precise.
I think the software I am using (VCV Rack) can do that, export a signal (whatever it is) to the external world to drive a device. Otherwise I can see if there's an interface suitable for the need.
The fact that you say it's doable is a start!
P.S. I've checked the Focusrite. Is this the thing you are using? --> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focusrite
@@AndreaArturoGiuseppeGrossi Yes, you can totally do that with vcv rack, sending its signal out from your audio interface to your no input setup. I use a Focusrite 18i8 (and a 18i20), but the smaller versions have multiple assignable outputs too. Of course it works also with other audio interfaces. The basic principle is the same.
You can also ping a Mixer very well this way , i use an Behringer mx 2642 its the best synth i have ever buyed.
This is great, going to try it with my keystep.
Do you have the fx as part of the feedback loop, or placed after the main output?
Here in this video after the feedback loop.
I like that shirt, it looks sort of like a older Chinese style.
Definetely in that style
Great stuff again mate!!!! Have been wondering how would no input mixer setup work with matrix mixer.
Thank you! I need to put my hands on one of them but they are pretty expensive, so I have to wait and save some money!
@@AndreijRublev I have a quite cheap passive matrix mixer and plan to do some experiments in the near future. :)
@@musicforoverexposedcelluloid Great! Keep us updated about it, I'm super curious!
@@AndreijRublev low-gain electronics sells a passive matrix mixer. an easy way to disrupt the feedback path is plugging one side of a cable in and touching the other end! can do cool thymic stuff like that
@@fosferus totally! Cannot spoil anything but matrix mixers are something I'm super interested in ;)
very nice dude... i. make feedback loops. Also
Thanks! Feedback for everyone ;-)
WOW
Sweet
Tasty!
Ow, that high pitched squeal hurts! Cool ideas here, though.
Yeah, sorry, I'm an high pitched tones lover actually, but it's not that common hahaha!
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👍I LOVE ! 💙⚪❤
maybe if you use led of headphone signal into a light sensor of remote control the mixer led as clock?
I didn't understand exactly what you mean, but I have some news about the topic of CV and no input mixers/feedbacks. I'll probably do a follow up video soon with the help of some friends who have more electronic and circuits knowledge than me ;)
Did anyone say no input ensemble?
Eheheh
Control voltage is input too! Don't be a signalist!
hahaha you got me! I'm not a purist at all ;-)
@@AndreijRublev 😜
i know its you jerma.. there is no use in hiding