@@skankhunt3624We know nothing. Nothing about the property lines, easements and municipal regs about right of way for utilities. Also, the infrastructure was already in place, her right to complain or halt the project has long passed. For all we know, she bought the house after the installation of the conduits.
@@skankhunt3624 He was not installing the piping, vaults and access points, just running cable through existing ones. They look like they had been there a while, so why didn't Ms. Karen complain when they ran the piping? There had to be a reason they put it on that side of the sidewalk and not the other and either got permission or an easement. Looks like no one else on the block gets high speed, that doesn't already have it, ever. Strike a blow to the greedy homeowners.
Happened to me once many years ago, so.... i went and told the customer we were installing for that her neighbour said she couldnt get her service because she said so. Holy smokes why did i do that 😂😂😂, caused a fist fight right there 😂😂😂
I came home one day to the Phone Co installing a Fiber Optic "hub" in my front lawn, like in min 3:13 of this video. I was like what the heck is going on - the Foreman said I should have gotten a letter explaining it - nope. But i knew they could do it so i was like oh well, you guys need waters or anything. The Foreman then asked and I said yes to a fiber optic trench from the hub to my house while they were here .. score for when they came back in a month to install it in my house.
A fiber optic box way bigger than that little round one was placed on my property a couple years ago, has not caused me any issues and you can’t even tell it’s there unless you are right on top of it
Sure, but they probably already know the exact distance from the center of the road to the edge of the sidewalk so they don’t have to measure the entire distance every single time. 🤦♂️
There is no actual easement laws the city or village has no legal right to enforce or regulate or allow anything on or in private property. They only have rights to there property. It’s a agreement between the city and utility companies not the land owners
@@exaltedone2799 then do it all the time. I had a Sewer 4" put on my property when a new home was build on the next lot. I had to have them remove it because They did not have a easement or my permission
somedays you wish you could just say "ah. my bad. here let me pull the new cable back out. and since your cable is also infringing other easements I'll pull that out too to ensure compliance"
@@richd9646that access hole is never going to be moved and that's 2-3 properties that never get fibre now (until she moves out or she goes on holiday owner sneaks a install in)
@@richd9646 why is everyone assuming it is on her property? Get the the plans and look them. Seems unlikely someone would install on private unless they were an idiot.
So the pull box might be 3 inches on her property and she calls the city inspectors to get you shut down? Even if it is 3 inches on her property it's not interfering, devaluating, and depriving her of anything. She's just being a big Karen and a busybody who has nothing better to do with her valuable time. People like this need a big time reality check.
Her time is not valuable. I hope that the move is scheduled several years from now so that she and the rest of her neighbors won't have fiber optic service. (I also hope said neighbors find out that she is the one responsible)
I mean its basically a company coming in and running a for profit business on your property without compensation in any form, is it some giant food truck in your driveway, no, but that isnt the point. they are using your property, that you own, and you pay for, to enrich themselves, my question to you is why should that be acceptable, because if 3 inches is acceptable now, what if 12 inches is acceptable later, and then 3ft, or maybe the best route would be to run something directly under your house and year 1 goes fine but year 15 they have to dig it up and your house is in the way, whatever you give up on may never be yours again, so why do you have to be the one yield when you are the only one that is losing something.
@@jarstore Yeah! Like the water line easement! They should not allow that and just make you truck water in instead!. And sewer. Install a tank you have to have pumped every month or so.
There is obviously an easement controlled by the city. The utility company had to apply for, and pay for, a permit from the city to install their infrastructure within this easement by submitting a set of drawings detailing the proposed work and methods of installation. The city would then have approved said drawings, making notations (or requiring a new application with changes) on the permit with conditions that must be met and/or changes that must be made to the proposed install plan due to conflicts. The city then monitors the permitted work to ensure the terms of the permit are being met. This said, and judging by the city inspector's words, it seems the city screwed up. The inspector had the best idea which is for the city to compensate the owners for the extra easement needed. And, as another comment stated, first get it surveyed properly because the sidewalk may be used as a guide, but it is not an accurate property line marker.
And contractors never do anything wrong. Whoever buried that conduit may have been off the mark. Nobody "compensates" anyone for an _easement._ The individual still owns that property - and pays taxes on it. The Karen in this video very clearly never wants to have any utilities of any kind EVER provided to that property, or any other property the own now or ever.
@@jfbeam And the time to do something would have been at the time of the installation, not years later when some poor schmuck is out there just running some cable. I own my property, but am still pestered regularly by the AT&T guys to come into my backyard to service the pole ON MY PROPERTY.
@@BillMooney-r5c they are not pestering you. They are doing what needs to be done, which they have a legal right to do, and you are getting your panties in a wad for no real reason. Nobody forced you to buy this property.
@@jfbeam as a mater of FACT, i own a 1 acre parcel in a dead town(has been un incorporated) the township owns the 80 foot wide roadway and there is a sidewalk on the townships deeded property. the utility companies have an easement ON THE TOWNSHIPS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE! the rural water line is on the opposite side of the dirt road. there are NO EASEMENTS on my deed and currently no water/electric/phone/sewer/gas/cable or other utility's on my property!!! we lived there for 39 straight months, and never wanted any utility services on our property. we used rainwater, filtered and sanitized by uv light, solar power backed by a dc generator, and hughes net satellite internet! i used magic jack voip for phone service! absolutely no problems when neighbors water was down, or when every ones (except for my family) electricity was out because of downed power lines! i am a 65 year old MAN, married to "Steffy". i have worked as a boiler operator trainee at a steam powered electric generation plant , as an automobile mechanic , home construction from digging the foundations to final inspection, as a maintenance man for my moms 103 apartments in little rock arkansas, you name it in blue collar, ive done it. even industrial steel painting and sandblasting! i do NOT need any utilities from the GRID nor do i desire any. so i do not want any utility providers property on my property. mom left me close to $200,000 in 2015 free and clear. i built most of my stuff underground so its NOT see able from ground level. and satellite technology in 2016 could NOT see what i have underground. i also removed the topsoil and laid down a mylar sheet over the entire surface of my property and put the top soil back. so satellites wont bee knowing what i have below ground for quite awhile ! if i ever get any neighbors, they better NOT want to have anything on my property. no one access my property under anything but a "legal search warrant" and then they are limited to the terms of the search warrant. im NOT the average person, and im also obviously anti social! i also spent 10 years in prison, and do NOT worry about going back!
Yup I would have walked to you customers door and told them the address of who stopped the install. I would have also told the lady who stopped it and code enforcement that I was going to let them know.
I was Chairman of a City Committee that handled not only the big utilities , but the phone company,cable company, and an internet provider. The poles were owned by power company and everyone rented the right to string their lines from them. The City water company owned the underground utility easement that was usually the width of the road plus 10 feet. That was also the minimum setback on any structure etc so that you didn’t have to worry about tearing down a building to run something in the easement. If you wanted to run anything in the utility easement, like underground power, cable, telephone, or fiber, you signed an agreement with the city and paid them. We were going to run the fiber ducting ourselves, on the city dime, and then lease it to who ever wanted to run fiber, but the Cable company went to the state and paid those assholes off to pass a law preventing us from doing this. They knew we were going to make competing with them less capital intensive and easy. They couldn’t have that. Anyway, it’s people like this woman that made us nuts.
I worked in telecom for over 40 years, trenched/dug/pulled in quite a few drops in urban areas, and, always knew that the inside edge of a sidewalk was VERY close to the lot line, too close to even move the access holes and conduit to it. It's definitely not the property owners fault that the install was stopped, they have every right to have the fiber co move its conduits and access, apply for more easement, or, make a contract with the property owner for compensation. One time, a contractor took a blatant shortcut through private property for a fiber optic drop conduit, the property owner told me about it, and I told them, since the service wasn't established yet, i'd go down and tear through that conduit, and then call the local township to report the trespass, which, they had every right to do.
Who tells customer company too No carew, 'laren' or not? Wait till a Real 'karen', digging in her yard, happens to CUT cable because it's buried no deeper than 2" *Unprotected* across [her] streetside [sidewall] yard. takes Joy out of every effort of working there. {{sigh}} besides, i believe *she is Correct.* KNOW *Your RIGHTS.*
What a total Karen. No internet for her. Go get a property survey and charge her for the technician's time and the surveyor's time when the survey comes back showing that there's an easement on her property.
Not realistic. The company installing the utility must have easement permits issued by the city. Then a quick call to police and I guarantee you will have access. Period!
@@warp103 Here's what I'm not assuming. The inspector said it might be 3 inches on her property and maybe it should be moved just to be sure. She made reference to her property taxes. She is a liberal KAREN! DON'T TOUCH MY STUFF. I had a neighbor that mowed over the property line from time to time and I did the same. The other side the neighbor planted a tree on the line. None of us in 40 years had any problems with it. 3" MAYBE! Get a life!
From a few fragments of the conversation we could hear between the zoning guy and the karen, It sounded like the original duct installers had completed most of it while she was out one day and arrived home to find them finishing up.
@@MrPete81 Keep thinking that. They don't tell anybody anything. AT&T hung flyers on our doors *5 YEARS* before they could be bothered to actually do it. When they did, a crew showed up about 6am, and were done around 6pm. If you weren't home, or didn't see them when you left and/or returned from work, you'd never know they had ever been here. Those guys did an outstanding job. Google Fiber... no flyers, no warning, just a week long clusterf... holes in pavement, muddy pits of yards, and the idiots went outside their permitted area and cut the coax cable hardline. (I was waiting for them to hit the underground power line.) About the only warning you'll get is when 811 starts "tagging" the area. 'tho that won't tell you much as all this stuff is done by contractors.
From what I could hear in the background conversation she did complain about it when the boxes were installed. Guess whatbprobably happened the company said indont care. Well now they have to deal with a zoning inspector that does care
We have a much larger box, closer to the size of that vault, installed on our property. I don't think there's an easement even but why would we complain? It supplies our fiber and that of the rest of the street. It is pretty unobtrusive and looks far better than if the wiring were on poles.
My neighbor went ballistic when the water utility began looking for my meter pit on her property. Every lot in my neighborhood has a utility easement. People don't understand what an easement is. "An easement is a nonpossessory right to use and/or enter onto the real property of another without possessing it. "
Disconnect the fiber optic cable to her home and neighbors then leave. Send it as a dispute to your legal department. It will take two weeks or more to sort out - but do not come back to service for those two weeks until resolved. Problem solved.
I run a small fiber ISP. We had that happen once. Karen was annoyed that her neighbors line ran along the exterior boundary of her property. We came back the next day with maps and a surveyor to show her property boundary. She had parked cars over the area and wasnt home to avoid us. So I went to the cabinet and disconnected her dropline. She rang multiple times abusive about her internet not working. I ended up making her pay for the contractors time for the original half finished install and, surveyor and several revisits of wasted time before I reconnected her.
@@skankhunt3624 What laws were broken? No one is required to sell you internet access. If you complain about the lines on or next to your property, don't be surprised when they get removed... including *your* internet. I'd blacklist them for life - period.
@@jfbeam if her bill is pay and you disconnect service that a crime. Just like if someone steal cable it call thief of service. You know that service contact you signed to get cable.
What if she wanted to add a nice picket fence? Not just the access point, but also the buried line would prevent the owner from installing a fence in the future.
Pain in the ass to also have to cross the footpath for each install so if the easement allows, it makes sense to drill the conduits on the house side of the footpath.
@@johnhouchins3156easements / way leave agreements are normally even put in place by the local governments / councils and the landlord only has to agree to it (often does really have a chance to deny it).
Zoning guy making assumptions. Didn’t see him pull a tape from road CL or edge of pavement. I worked in easement management for a few telcos. More often than not we were in the legal easement but people don’t understand. Since they’re established well before any home gets built.
On the other hand, I have a large fiber box that appeared on my property and looking at easements it looks like it’s all legal. So now I have this 2 x 3‘ opening 3 feet deep in the middle of my yard with no lid and it’s been almost a year since I notified the company. I wonder if they get pissed off if I backfilled it with gravel? It’s a safety issue big time.
@OP rather than zip ties, have you thought about or considered using Binder clips from staples to secure your wire on the roll. easy to use, removeable / reuseable
I engineer the jobs for my company. I had a "lady" like this bitching about inches where we placed a HH between her and her neighbors property line. I drew the "move" order to place the HH in the center of her property where her sidewalk to her door intersected the sidewalk of the street. we cut the concrete and placed it on the back edge of the easement. She liked the new placement even less. She asked us to leave it alone when she saw the guys cutting the sidewalk and I had explained to her that she was correct and we did not want to be on private property.
I'm a survey drafter. Utility easement are measured from the centerline of road, right-of-way line or back of curb. There is a utility easement in the working area.. these karens
All true, but it's the utility's responsibility to stay inside them. Most likely when they bored, they didn't take the time to actually trace where they were; they just aimed for down the street staying what they thought was a wide berth from the other utilities.
LOOK UP THE EASEMENT.... AND HOW MANY FEET IT IS FROM CENTER OF ROAD.... THE BACK OF THE SIDE WALK USUALLY HAS LITTLE TO DO WITH IT... THE CITY COULD HAVE FEET MORE OF AN EASEMENT
My city is FINALLY replacing copper phone lines with multi gigabit fiber-to-the-home, and the 50+ crowd are doing everything they can to stop it from happening and giving all kinds of ridiculous reasons to oppose it. "We want DSL that can barely get 50 Mbps, and we like it that way!"
So if your neighbor put up a fence 3 inches on your side of the property line you would say “no problem”. No doubt what your response will be but really, what’s the difference? Oh right, it’s your property. Right is right, wrong is wrong.
I build the fiber plants for towns id already have messured it and looked over plats. And the zoning offical can contact the company. Or measure it themselves.
How interesting they put the flower pot in the property. When we did it, we put the rounds in thw parkway and if we were really lucky, they would put a duct stub under side walk blind and wed have to dig a whole to get to it and clear it out.
being confrontation would have asked the City employee to officially measure and mark what is in the planning records. if in the pot was 3" that is a six inch pot dig it up move it over 3" then it is inside the easement by city measurement. where i live there is a 2 foot past easement when digging incase of topography changes.
I live in castle rock colorado and moving to a new area.. how hard is it to get fiber pulled via resources already there. They have no overhead poles to use but would really love to have fiber again
I have Fiber Optic internet, and just replaced my ONT today, I always wondered how they did the infrastructure for all these underground glass wires, glad I now know.
I retired with 30 years of service with AT&T in their construction department. IF they're not in the easement/right of way, that Karen has every right to complain. It's not just the flower pot in her hard, it's the conduit as well. That really does screw up what she can/can't do on her property. Utilities are supposed to be professional and stay within their boundaries. Too many times fly by night contractors cause way too much trouble by not knowing what they were doing. I would not be a bit surprised to find out they bored the dig and stayed way out of the easement so that they woldn't hit the other utilities. If you know what you're doing, you MAY hit them, but only very rarely.
Ya, people mention its only an access pot, but the line will prevent future changes to her property. Such as if she or the next owner gets a dog & wants to put up a fence around the property near the sidewalk. Now she can't because the lines in the ground prevent her from installing the fence posts.
Is the zoning officer also a surveyor that knows exactly where the property line is? Did the zoning officer actually check the property lines and utility right of ways that were approved by the city?
also if she trying to stop it then tell her for doing so she must pay $500+ for wasting my time by stopping & talking to someone else & not on my job also i tell her i tell my boss where u live to take that house off the list do not get net unit say so
@@kareno8634I don't get you they have likely been there for 5 years +, if it wasn't for her been there they be no issue (just a karren) I would be not happy with her not getting my service and I hope the Karen house loses and gets blacklisted in the future
damn shame the only place it would fit was in front if her driveway. Shouldn't take more than 4 weeks to finish. You can always drive through your lawn and hope your neighbor will let you use their driveway to get out.
@@hbaykiwiyeah but they don’t do the entire road within three hours? She must have noticed that days before already, that would have been the chance to complain already or properly check her easement.
"Karen and the Zoned-Out Idiot", is what I would have named this. I recall a property I did some work at, having a storm drain right-of-way across it, so I needed to access the original survey and building drawings for the property for a swale adjustment. I noticed that the neighbors driveway crossed into the property, consuming about 200 square feet and notified the owner. I never was able to complete the job since it became a squabble that lasted several years in court only to be nullified by the issue of duration of time it had been established according to the encroachment laws of the jurisdiction. Depending on the jurisdiction, some properties may own the land all the way to the centerline of the road, others, the city might own the road and a number of feet beyond the curb, but regardless, there is always an easement and/or a right-of-way, otherwise it would be impossible to facilitate utilities and pedestrians would need to walk in the roadway. The incompetence displayed by this fool to agree with Karen, and for what reason IDK, but you can tell he's talking out his arse. If he knew what he was doing, he would have simply measured from the centerline of the road and called the Engineering dept to confirm the distance allotted. If he actually knew what he was doing, he could have looked up the city's GIS maps which would have included all the information. I understand why you didn't bother to get involved. There is just no value in dealing with either idiot.
It shouldn't have been on that side. Technically it's her property. I'm surprised it's so easy to access that cable as well. Seems like a lot of corners were cut installing that conduit.
Usually the easement or property lines extend past the sidewalk so the city can replace the sidewalk, which includes installing forms past the sidewalk. How far that easement goes is a different question, but the city doesn't want the box right next to the sidewalk for the same reason.
One thing most people dont understand is that just because you have fiber optic running along the street, dont mean you getting that speed in your home. Most homes are wired with copper and that restricts the speed of the service you will receive. If your home is wired with fiber optics then you will benefit from the fiber optics from outside.
@@stargazer7644depends what service you ordered / got offered. If you ordered FTTC (Fibre to the Cabinet) then yes, the fibre runs to the copper cabinet and from there via copper cables to the house. If you ordered / got offered FTTP (Fibre to the Premises) then they run a fibre cable into your house (with CSP outside and ONT inside).
Why are they placed on the peoples gardens instead of the street or grass verge though? Here they only run through your garden if its going to your house.
There may be other utilities underground on the other side of the sidewalk, and they don't want this to be in the way if they need to bring in a backhoe to dig up a water line.
I can honestly say I've never done survey for private utilities. I know power companies I've dealt with have their own on staff surveyor, but I've never seen them mark PL's. Never seen cable companies do that either. A place I recently rented they did a fiber install, no markings except for other underground. Given the extent of what they did, they easily could have encroached on private property, happens way more than people know.
Dealt with this before. Homeowner thinks inside the walkway is her domain, so she feels that her home is entitled to free or discounted service. When she was told to pound sand her feelings were hurt. No freebies for me, no service for anyone!
That on the inside of her front lawn so yes technically she is right the part next to the street is were it should have been done as that’s is the public side not private side
That’s not true because then you would always have to break up the side walk to bring cables into the premises. The point is chosen correctly and they need a distance to the side walk for the case the council has to dig the side walk out, they don’t want to break any utility lines.
Dam in my state public utilities have automatic in domain to run underground My next store neighbor almost got himself arrested when he tried stopping the utility company from Barry our fiber optics underground, taking them off the polls for more reliable service.
Ok, we're using less than one square foot... here's your dollar! BTW, that's probably within the town easement (50 feet from center of road?) so not really her land.
Except when you want to put a fence in. That throws the straight line from the sidewalk out that amount the entire length. Thats way more than one square foot of yard you are loosing. Ask me how I know
Nice work ! Love watching this stuff ! I hate people that are so picky, make sure you put that client in the DO NOT give fiber to list ! LIke really a few inches, is she loosing anything ?
Where I live we have aerial electric, telephone company fiber, at least one other cable company, and underground sewer, natural gas, water, and a business fiber ring.
My fiber company got me all signed up and was making plans to bring a junction box up to the part in my driveway that my neighbors have to use to get to their property. They, for some reason, thought we were all related and were going to split the cost to that point, but I was the only one who actually signed up. The kind of after-the-fact asked if they could run the box to that part of my property, and I was hoping they would drop the additional install cost for the distance, but they didn't. They did trench fiber duct right up to my house and had to have a backhoe dig to the junction box because it was a curve in rocky ground. Karen, there should have said something when the duct crew came out, but she probably has no leg to stand on as the city made the agreement. The zone guy should have known she was wrong also and told her off. I guess buddy will get paid a second time to pull the same fiber later :D
I can't stand people like you. Let me guess you are the type if a department store thinks you are stealing they have the right to detain you? Then it's a civil matter and you just need to take them to court. Liberals like you need to move out of this country
It's called "billable hours." A contractor job is worth so much, and the labour is part of the contract. If the contract can not be completed, then the worker can not bill against it. This was true when I worked as an installer for Rogers Cable, and when I was an audio-video tech wiring up hospitals. The company has to generate revenue from the worker's work, before the worker gets paid from the final invoice.
People can be so narrow minded sometimes. Ridiculous. Keep up the good work. You appeared to handle a shitty situation better than I likely would have.
Around me, the owners property is from the sidewalk(house side) to their house(property markers are right at the sidewalk). The right of way(city rights) is the sidewalk and to the road, thou we have to maintain the sidewalk & yard to the road. If there are utility line on poles, then from pole to pole below the lines, is the utility right of way. Right now we have a company in our area burying pipe for fiber-optics basically installing under existing line on poles following that right of way. So, they can't just use someones yard here without getting rights access. My last house I owned, the communicating company had asked me for a formal written approval to run a line from a pole to a business underground, since once placed, i would lose the ability to putting a fence in or maybe planting trees, since the pipe would be under the area. They even compensated me for the approval. Thou you think that zoning person would have more knowledge, such as bring up a data sheet of the property on a laptop to see the property markers & details of the fiber-optics permits to bury line. Since I'm guessing they would have to file something for such a bigger change to the cities underground infrastructure for future work or additions.
@@johnm.4141they didn't they was unsure (so unsure means no) but in this case the access point wasn't been installed it been there for years it was a cable pull, he should have just finished the cable pull and said I won't be installing anything at this property today (add to report that address should be blacklisted)
She was right. It is her right to protect her private property, and she definitely does not want any wires running through the well to avoid future issues with multiple service providers and their clients when it comes to deciding on its removal. Absolute respect for private property is essential: today they will place their well on it, and tomorrow they will start demolishing houses to put new roads through neighborhoods! So keeping things in order begins with the smallest things.
She was mouthing about if they want to pay her property taxes then they can leave it. I want deny her any use ever of the fiber optics and that would be the end of the story.
Thats utility easement. It was installed by contractors with permits from the city. Doesnt matter whether she thinks its her property or not. Should have done that install.
That depends on how the lot was originally platted. My property ends about 8-12" from the sidewalk. The city owns everything else, but has an easement in their property for utilities who can rent that space. No one uses the easement area in front of my house, only in the back, which is adjacent to an alley. All utilities are outside of my property lines, except where the branch off to my house. My previous house didn't have an alley, and there was an easement on my property in the back for utilities. The electricity, phone, and cable went through that easement. I wasn't able to put any permanent structure on the easement, but that was the only restriction on me.
Its because the county takes our properties without cause. We just lost 15 ft about 6 yrs ago now they want another 15ft for right away. We all are refusing and looking into sueing the county to get the 15 foot back and refuse the road nobody wants. The mining company and power plant gave not one 1inch and refused to allow right of way on their lands. So i understand her issue they take and wont reduce her taxes.
When we finally got a company to compete with the local cable company that had had a monopoly and offered the wonderful level of service that comes with being a monopoly we all welcomed them with open arms. They could have ran the fiber install through our living rooms and we'd still have welcomed them.
Your company should come back and install a huge big 1024 Fiber Distribution Cabinet just 3 inches over! I'm sure she'd love that LOL!
Yes this
I wouldn’t do that, I would put it right on the line!
Big, and as ugly as possible!
Sad when people support corporations over individuals private property.
@@skankhunt3624We know nothing. Nothing about the property lines, easements and municipal regs about right of way for utilities. Also, the infrastructure was already in place, her right to complain or halt the project has long passed. For all we know, she bought the house after the installation of the conduits.
@@skankhunt3624 He was not installing the piping, vaults and access points, just running cable through existing ones. They look like they had been there a while, so why didn't Ms. Karen complain when they ran the piping? There had to be a reason they put it on that side of the sidewalk and not the other and either got permission or an easement. Looks like no one else on the block gets high speed, that doesn't already have it, ever. Strike a blow to the greedy homeowners.
Happened to me once many years ago, so.... i went and told the customer we were installing for that her neighbour said she couldnt get her service because she said so. Holy smokes why did i do that 😂😂😂, caused a fist fight right there 😂😂😂
I would.
Informed customers are always happier with the services they pay for.
I came home one day to the Phone Co installing a Fiber Optic "hub" in my front lawn, like in min 3:13 of this video. I was like what the heck is going on - the Foreman said I should have gotten a letter explaining it - nope. But i knew they could do it so i was like oh well, you guys need waters or anything. The Foreman then asked and I said yes to a fiber optic trench from the hub to my house while they were here .. score for when they came back in a month to install it in my house.
Somebody's getting fast internets without hassle from the provider's service coverage team ;-)
They don't have to explain it... Utility easement, deal with it
@@xephael3485 no yuou put your utilities on public land not on private
A fiber optic box way bigger than that little round one was placed on my property a couple years ago, has not caused me any issues and you can’t even tell it’s there unless you are right on top of it
Easements arent measured from the sidewalk, they are measured typically from the center of the roadway.
And the zoning bozo should be able to look it up to verify the property line.
Sure, but they probably already know the exact distance from the center of the road to the edge of the sidewalk so they don’t have to measure the entire distance every single time. 🤦♂️
There is no actual easement laws the city or village has no legal right to enforce or regulate or allow anything on or in private property. They only have rights to there property. It’s a agreement between the city and utility companies not the land owners
Maybe the company already has an easement or the thing wouldn't be there in the first place. Whats the point of putting it in if you can't use it.
@@exaltedone2799 then do it all the time. I had a Sewer 4" put on my property when a new home was build on the next lot. I had to have them remove it because They did not have a easement or my permission
somedays you wish you could just say "ah. my bad. here let me pull the new cable back out. and since your cable is also infringing other easements I'll pull that out too to ensure compliance"
People like this lady and the clueless inspector are why nothing ever gets done.
You're half right.
It is not KArens fault the company put its gold mine on her property , rather than the city property they were authorized to use.
I would say careless contractors violating property of others is to blame. You mark the easement and stay where you're allowed. End of story.
@@richd9646that access hole is never going to be moved and that's 2-3 properties that never get fibre now (until she moves out or she goes on holiday owner sneaks a install in)
@@richd9646 why is everyone assuming it is on her property? Get the the plans and look them. Seems unlikely someone would install on private unless they were an idiot.
So the pull box might be 3 inches on her property and she calls the city inspectors to get you shut down? Even if it is 3 inches on her property it's not interfering, devaluating, and depriving her of anything. She's just being a big Karen and a busybody who has nothing better to do with her valuable time. People like this need a big time reality check.
Her time is not valuable. I hope that the move is scheduled several years from now so that she and the rest of her neighbors won't have fiber optic service. (I also hope said neighbors find out that she is the one responsible)
Did you hear her ask if they were going to pay her property taxes? Geez.
I mean its basically a company coming in and running a for profit business on your property without compensation in any form, is it some giant food truck in your driveway, no, but that isnt the point. they are using your property, that you own, and you pay for, to enrich themselves, my question to you is why should that be acceptable, because if 3 inches is acceptable now, what if 12 inches is acceptable later, and then 3ft, or maybe the best route would be to run something directly under your house and year 1 goes fine but year 15 they have to dig it up and your house is in the way, whatever you give up on may never be yours again, so why do you have to be the one yield when you are the only one that is losing something.
It creates a public easement that she has to pay taxes on yet can't do with as she pleases.
@@jarstore Yeah! Like the water line easement! They should not allow that and just make you truck water in instead!. And sewer. Install a tank you have to have pumped every month or so.
There is obviously an easement controlled by the city. The utility company had to apply for, and pay for, a permit from the city to install their infrastructure within this easement by submitting a set of drawings detailing the proposed work and methods of installation. The city would then have approved said drawings, making notations (or requiring a new application with changes) on the permit with conditions that must be met and/or changes that must be made to the proposed install plan due to conflicts. The city then monitors the permitted work to ensure the terms of the permit are being met.
This said, and judging by the city inspector's words, it seems the city screwed up. The inspector had the best idea which is for the city to compensate the owners for the extra easement needed. And, as another comment stated, first get it surveyed properly because the sidewalk may be used as a guide, but it is not an accurate property line marker.
And contractors never do anything wrong. Whoever buried that conduit may have been off the mark. Nobody "compensates" anyone for an _easement._ The individual still owns that property - and pays taxes on it. The Karen in this video very clearly never wants to have any utilities of any kind EVER provided to that property, or any other property the own now or ever.
@@jfbeam And the time to do something would have been at the time of the installation, not years later when some poor schmuck is out there just running some cable. I own my property, but am still pestered regularly by the AT&T guys to come into my backyard to service the pole ON MY PROPERTY.
@@BillMooney-r5c they are not pestering you. They are doing what needs to be done, which they have a legal right to do, and you are getting your panties in a wad for no real reason. Nobody forced you to buy this property.
@@jfbeam as a mater of FACT, i own a 1 acre parcel in a dead town(has been un incorporated) the township owns the 80 foot wide roadway and there is a sidewalk on the townships deeded property. the utility companies have an easement ON THE TOWNSHIPS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE!
the rural water line is on the opposite side of the dirt road.
there are NO EASEMENTS on my deed and currently no water/electric/phone/sewer/gas/cable or other utility's on my property!!!
we lived there for 39 straight months, and never wanted any utility services on our property. we used rainwater, filtered and sanitized by uv light, solar power backed by a dc generator, and hughes net satellite internet! i used magic jack voip for phone service! absolutely no problems when neighbors water was down, or when every ones (except for my family) electricity was out because of downed power lines!
i am a 65 year old MAN, married to "Steffy". i have worked as a boiler operator trainee at a steam powered electric generation plant , as an automobile mechanic , home construction from digging the foundations to final inspection, as a maintenance man for my moms 103 apartments in little rock arkansas, you name it in blue collar, ive done it. even industrial steel painting and sandblasting!
i do NOT need any utilities from the GRID nor do i desire any. so i do not want any utility providers property on my property. mom left me close to $200,000 in 2015 free and clear. i built most of my stuff underground so its NOT see able from ground level. and satellite technology in 2016 could NOT see what i have underground. i also removed the topsoil and laid down a mylar sheet over the entire surface of my property and put the top soil back. so satellites wont bee knowing what i have below ground for quite awhile !
if i ever get any neighbors, they better NOT want to have anything on my property. no one access my property under anything but a "legal search warrant" and then they are limited to the terms of the search warrant.
im NOT the average person, and im also obviously anti social! i also spent 10 years in prison, and do NOT worry about going back!
@@steffybael1245cool story bro😂
Her neighbors should be told who stopped the install....
Yep
Yup I would have walked to you customers door and told them the address of who stopped the install. I would have also told the lady who stopped it and code enforcement that I was going to let them know.
I explain the customer who and why an install stops, I think they deserve to know what kind of neighbours they live with…
I do. I also remind the whiner when their stuff breaks nobody on the street will help her out.
I was Chairman of a City Committee that handled not only the big utilities , but the phone company,cable company, and an internet provider. The poles were owned by power company and everyone rented the right to string their lines from them. The City water company owned the underground utility easement that was usually the width of the road plus 10 feet. That was also the minimum setback on any structure etc so that you didn’t have to worry about tearing down a building to run something in the easement. If you wanted to run anything in the utility easement, like underground power, cable, telephone, or fiber, you signed an agreement with the city and paid them. We were going to run the fiber ducting ourselves, on the city dime, and then lease it to who ever wanted to run fiber, but the Cable company went to the state and paid those assholes off to pass a law preventing us from doing this. They knew we were going to make competing with them less capital intensive and easy. They couldn’t have that.
Anyway, it’s people like this woman that made us nuts.
I worked in telecom for over 40 years, trenched/dug/pulled in quite a few drops in urban areas, and, always knew that the inside edge of a sidewalk was VERY close to the lot line, too close to even move the access holes and conduit to it. It's definitely not the property owners fault that the install was stopped, they have every right to have the fiber co move its conduits and access, apply for more easement, or, make a contract with the property owner for compensation. One time, a contractor took a blatant shortcut through private property for a fiber optic drop conduit, the property owner told me about it, and I told them, since the service wasn't established yet, i'd go down and tear through that conduit, and then call the local township to report the trespass, which, they had every right to do.
Now tell your customer that you can’t install their service due to The Karen down the street
Not just one customer, it’s that entire block.
Who tells customer company too No carew, 'laren' or not?
Wait till a Real 'karen', digging in her yard, happens to CUT cable because it's buried no deeper than 2" *Unprotected* across [her] streetside [sidewall] yard.
takes Joy out of every effort of working there. {{sigh}}
besides, i believe *she is Correct.* KNOW *Your RIGHTS.*
It is not KArens fault the company put its gold mine on her property , rather than the city property they were authorized to use.
@@kareno8634ok Karen
What a total Karen. No internet for her. Go get a property survey and charge her for the technician's time and the surveyor's time when the survey comes back showing that there's an easement on her property.
you assume a lot lol.
Not realistic. The company installing the utility must have easement permits issued by the city. Then a quick call to police and I guarantee you will have access. Period!
@@warp103 What?
Or cut the lines now and arrest the tech for trespassing.
@@warp103 Here's what I'm not assuming. The inspector said it might be 3 inches on her property and maybe it should be moved just to be sure. She made reference to her property taxes. She is a liberal KAREN! DON'T TOUCH MY STUFF. I had a neighbor that mowed over the property line from time to time and I did the same. The other side the neighbor planted a tree on the line. None of us in 40 years had any problems with it. 3" MAYBE! Get a life!
That sucks man. How long ago did they install that small tub in her yard?
Hopefully she never plans on hooking up to the fiber. That would make her a hypocrite
I'm sorry but when were those installed? That was her chance to complain. When they were digging is when she needed to call code enforcement.
From a few fragments of the conversation we could hear between the zoning guy and the karen, It sounded like the original duct installers had completed most of it while she was out one day and arrived home to find them finishing up.
You'd have thought that there would've been notice to all property owners of the works coming up though, surely?
@@MrPete81 Keep thinking that. They don't tell anybody anything. AT&T hung flyers on our doors *5 YEARS* before they could be bothered to actually do it. When they did, a crew showed up about 6am, and were done around 6pm. If you weren't home, or didn't see them when you left and/or returned from work, you'd never know they had ever been here. Those guys did an outstanding job. Google Fiber... no flyers, no warning, just a week long clusterf... holes in pavement, muddy pits of yards, and the idiots went outside their permitted area and cut the coax cable hardline. (I was waiting for them to hit the underground power line.)
About the only warning you'll get is when 811 starts "tagging" the area. 'tho that won't tell you much as all this stuff is done by contractors.
@@hbaykiwi Wow and she just decided not to call then? Sounds like she's not the brightest fibre strand in the cable.
From what I could hear in the background conversation she did complain about it when the boxes were installed. Guess whatbprobably happened the company said indont care. Well now they have to deal with a zoning inspector that does care
We have a much larger box, closer to the size of that vault, installed on our property. I don't think there's an easement even but why would we complain? It supplies our fiber and that of the rest of the street. It is pretty unobtrusive and looks far better than if the wiring were on poles.
My neighbor went ballistic when the water utility began looking for my meter pit on her property. Every lot in my neighborhood has a utility easement. People don't understand what an easement is. "An easement is a nonpossessory right to use and/or enter onto the real property of another without possessing it. "
Disconnect the fiber optic cable to her home and neighbors then leave. Send it as a dispute to your legal department. It will take two weeks or more to sort out - but do not come back to service for those two weeks until resolved. Problem solved.
I run a small fiber ISP. We had that happen once. Karen was annoyed that her neighbors line ran along the exterior boundary of her property. We came back the next day with maps and a surveyor to show her property boundary. She had parked cars over the area and wasnt home to avoid us. So I went to the cabinet and disconnected her dropline.
She rang multiple times abusive about her internet not working.
I ended up making her pay for the contractors time for the original half finished install and, surveyor and several revisits of wasted time before I reconnected her.
@@hbaykiwiYou are so full of shit
@@hbaykiwipretty big of you to admit to committing crimes on the internet.
@@skankhunt3624 What laws were broken? No one is required to sell you internet access. If you complain about the lines on or next to your property, don't be surprised when they get removed... including *your* internet. I'd blacklist them for life - period.
@@jfbeam if her bill is pay and you disconnect service that a crime. Just like if someone steal cable it call thief of service. You know that service contact you signed to get cable.
It's underground the only thing showing are the covers for the junction boxes,if she requests fiber to be put to her house make it very expensive
Just out here on a black list, that’s what “some” CPs do…
What if she wanted to add a nice picket fence? Not just the access point, but also the buried line would prevent the owner from installing a fence in the future.
Why wasn’t it buried in the verge between Road and footpath?
There’s likely power, water, gas, and/or whatever other utilities already there.
Pain in the ass to also have to cross the footpath for each install so if the easement allows, it makes sense to drill the conduits on the house side of the footpath.
@@hbaykiwi Not if the easement isn't there.
@@johnhouchins3156easements / way leave agreements are normally even put in place by the local governments / councils and the landlord only has to agree to it (often does really have a chance to deny it).
@@hangarhouse But they put the big access box between the sidewalk & street.
Zoning guy making assumptions. Didn’t see him pull a tape from road CL or edge of pavement.
I worked in easement management for a few telcos. More often than not we were in the legal easement but people don’t understand. Since they’re established well before any home gets built.
Usually the company just buys an easement for using the homeowners property. My mom did that with AT&T.
On the other hand, I have a large fiber box that appeared on my property and looking at easements it looks like it’s all legal. So now I have this 2 x 3‘ opening 3 feet deep in the middle of my yard with no lid and it’s been almost a year since I notified the company. I wonder if they get pissed off if I backfilled it with gravel? It’s a safety issue big time.
Fill it with cement
That shouldn’t happen by safety reasons already. I would maybe contact the HSE for that
@OP rather than zip ties, have you thought about or considered using Binder clips from staples to secure your wire on the roll. easy to use, removeable / reuseable
I engineer the jobs for my company. I had a "lady" like this bitching about inches where we placed a HH between her and her neighbors property line. I drew the "move" order to place the HH in the center of her property where her sidewalk to her door intersected the sidewalk of the street. we cut the concrete and placed it on the back edge of the easement.
She liked the new placement even less. She asked us to leave it alone when she saw the guys cutting the sidewalk and I had explained to her that she was correct and we did not want to be on private property.
I'm a survey drafter. Utility easement are measured from the centerline of road, right-of-way line or back of curb. There is a utility easement in the working area.. these karens
All true, but it's the utility's responsibility to stay inside them. Most likely when they bored, they didn't take the time to actually trace where they were; they just aimed for down the street staying what they thought was a wide berth from the other utilities.
@@johnhouchins3156 If a surveyor and his field crew do their job, he verifies all the utilities are within the utility or respective easements.
And the zoning guy did no due diligence. “Well, usually, bla bla bla”.
LOOK UP THE EASEMENT.... AND HOW MANY FEET IT IS FROM CENTER OF ROAD.... THE BACK OF THE SIDE WALK USUALLY HAS LITTLE TO DO WITH IT... THE CITY COULD HAVE FEET MORE OF AN EASEMENT
Man, If I found out she cost me getting fiber installed, her house would get egged or TPd every weekend!
My city is FINALLY replacing copper phone lines with multi gigabit fiber-to-the-home, and the 50+ crowd are doing everything they can to stop it from happening and giving all kinds of ridiculous reasons to oppose it.
"We want DSL that can barely get 50 Mbps, and we like it that way!"
Wow old school
So if your neighbor put up a fence 3 inches on your side of the property line you would say “no problem”. No doubt what your response will be but really, what’s the difference? Oh right, it’s your property. Right is right, wrong is wrong.
I build the fiber plants for towns id already have messured it and looked over plats. And the zoning offical can contact the company. Or measure it themselves.
How interesting they put the flower pot in the property. When we did it, we put the rounds in thw parkway and if we were really lucky, they would put a duct stub under side walk blind and wed have to dig a whole to get to it and clear it out.
Did you replace a muletape with a nylon pull string - Uggh!
being confrontation would have asked the City employee to officially measure and mark what is in the planning records. if in the pot was 3" that is a six inch pot dig it up move it over 3" then it is inside the easement by city measurement. where i live there is a 2 foot past easement when digging incase of topography changes.
I live in castle rock colorado and moving to a new area.. how hard is it to get fiber pulled via resources already there. They have no overhead poles to use but would really love to have fiber again
I have Fiber Optic internet, and just replaced my ONT today, I always wondered how they did the infrastructure for all these underground glass wires, glad I now know.
I retired with 30 years of service with AT&T in their construction department. IF they're not in the easement/right of way, that Karen has every right to complain. It's not just the flower pot in her hard, it's the conduit as well. That really does screw up what she can/can't do on her property. Utilities are supposed to be professional and stay within their boundaries. Too many times fly by night contractors cause way too much trouble by not knowing what they were doing. I would not be a bit surprised to find out they bored the dig and stayed way out of the easement so that they woldn't hit the other utilities. If you know what you're doing, you MAY hit them, but only very rarely.
Ya, people mention its only an access pot, but the line will prevent future changes to her property. Such as if she or the next owner gets a dog & wants to put up a fence around the property near the sidewalk. Now she can't because the lines in the ground prevent her from installing the fence posts.
Is the zoning officer also a surveyor that knows exactly where the property line is? Did the zoning officer actually check the property lines and utility right of ways that were approved by the city?
I would've pulled the permit package for the fiber install before coming out and wandering around.
I'd be asking her for proof that its over the bounary ie a land surveyors report
Well the burden doesn't fall on her does it.
@@skankhunt3624 Nope. It's on the zoning enforcement minion who's saying it's over the line.
also if she trying to stop it then tell her for doing so she must pay $500+ for wasting my time by stopping & talking to someone else & not on my job
also i tell her i tell my boss where u live to take that house off the list do not get net unit say so
@skankhunt3624 yes it does as she's the one making the allegation. Therefore, the burden of proof falls on her
It isn't up to her to prove you're in the easement. You're digging the hole, that's your responsibility.
Boxes have been installed for years.... 😂
look again; Boxes are on *Street side.*
@@kareno8634after they turn the corner.
@@kareno8634I don't get you they have likely been there for 5 years +, if it wasn't for her been there they be no issue (just a karren) I would be not happy with her not getting my service and I hope the Karen house loses and gets blacklisted in the future
@@leexgx future owner with an Italian accent in 2050: butt whyy I do?!
@@kareno8634 boxes yes.... hand holes were on the opposite side of sidewalk
It is odd that it is that far inside the yard past the sidewalk.
I would have been like to move that it would cost you aboout 1400 without labor but props to you for handling that situation better than I would of
So you'd let a random company take your land for profit? I see you are a Communist.
It’s costing her zero as it should be
Have...... Would HAVE....
"and this is why you can't have nice things".
Find the largest box and installed it 6 inches away. Go BIG!!!!
damn shame the only place it would fit was in front if her driveway. Shouldn't take more than 4 weeks to finish. You can always drive through your lawn and hope your neighbor will let you use their driveway to get out.
The largest box doesn't cut it.
'For technical reasons an above ground distribution station of 10' x 8' x 9' is needed. Right in her front yard.'
Did the access point appear on her property overnight ?
Sounds like while she was at work or away from home one day.
@@hbaykiwiyeah but they don’t do the entire road within three hours? She must have noticed that days before already, that would have been the chance to complain already or properly check her easement.
That inspector was not your friend. He could agree with Karen, THEN inspect her premises for code violations 😁
"Karen and the Zoned-Out Idiot", is what I would have named this.
I recall a property I did some work at, having a storm drain right-of-way across it, so I needed to access the original survey and building drawings for the property for a swale adjustment. I noticed that the neighbors driveway crossed into the property, consuming about 200 square feet and notified the owner. I never was able to complete the job since it became a squabble that lasted several years in court only to be nullified by the issue of duration of time it had been established according to the encroachment laws of the jurisdiction.
Depending on the jurisdiction, some properties may own the land all the way to the centerline of the road, others, the city might own the road and a number of feet beyond the curb, but regardless, there is always an easement and/or a right-of-way, otherwise it would be impossible to facilitate utilities and pedestrians would need to walk in the roadway.
The incompetence displayed by this fool to agree with Karen, and for what reason IDK, but you can tell he's talking out his arse. If he knew what he was doing, he would have simply measured from the centerline of the road and called the Engineering dept to confirm the distance allotted. If he actually knew what he was doing, he could have looked up the city's GIS maps which would have included all the information.
I understand why you didn't bother to get involved. There is just no value in dealing with either idiot.
It shouldn't have been on that side. Technically it's her property. I'm surprised it's so easy to access that cable as well. Seems like a lot of corners were cut installing that conduit.
Usually the easement or property lines extend past the sidewalk so the city can replace the sidewalk, which includes installing forms past the sidewalk. How far that easement goes is a different question, but the city doesn't want the box right next to the sidewalk for the same reason.
Good video , thanks for sharing, always wondered how you guys did that
One thing most people dont understand is that just because you have fiber optic running along the street, dont mean you getting that speed in your home. Most homes are wired with copper and that restricts the speed of the service you will receive. If your home is wired with fiber optics then you will benefit from the fiber optics from outside.
When you get fiber internet, they run fiber into your house and terminate it there. You don't use the telephone wires in the house to distribute it.
@@stargazer7644depends what service you ordered / got offered. If you ordered FTTC (Fibre to the Cabinet) then yes, the fibre runs to the copper cabinet and from there via copper cables to the house. If you ordered / got offered FTTP (Fibre to the Premises) then they run a fibre cable into your house (with CSP outside and ONT inside).
I've never heard of a front property line that close to the sidewalk.
If that was on my property I wouldn't complain
Why are they placed on the peoples gardens instead of the street or grass verge though? Here they only run through your garden if its going to your house.
There may be other utilities underground on the other side of the sidewalk, and they don't want this to be in the way if they need to bring in a backhoe to dig up a water line.
So why wasn't a survey done??
I can honestly say I've never done survey for private utilities. I know power companies I've dealt with have their own on staff surveyor, but I've never seen them mark PL's. Never seen cable companies do that either. A place I recently rented they did a fiber install, no markings except for other underground. Given the extent of what they did, they easily could have encroached on private property, happens way more than people know.
To pull a cable?
Dealt with this before. Homeowner thinks inside the walkway is her domain, so she feels that her home is entitled to free or discounted service. When she was told to pound sand her feelings were hurt. No freebies for me, no service for anyone!
On the vacant corner lot I recently bought, on one street it’s 6’ from the sidewalk to my front property line. On the other street it’s only 8”.
A note on every door explaining who stopped the fiber!
no easement on her lot? that's weird.
i dont understand the issue with those people > can someone please explain ??
That on the inside of her front lawn so yes technically she is right the part next to the street is were it should have been done as that’s is the public side not private side
That’s not true because then you would always have to break up the side walk to bring cables into the premises. The point is chosen correctly and they need a distance to the side walk for the case the council has to dig the side walk out, they don’t want to break any utility lines.
Dam in my state public utilities have automatic in domain to run underground My next store neighbor almost got himself arrested when he tried stopping the utility company from Barry our fiber optics underground, taking them off the polls for more reliable service.
Ok, we're using less than one square foot... here's your dollar! BTW, that's probably within the town easement (50 feet from center of road?) so not really her land.
Except when you want to put a fence in. That throws the straight line from the sidewalk out that amount the entire length. Thats way more than one square foot of yard you are loosing. Ask me how I know
Don't forget the underground conduit that get's in the way when you want to plant or place a fence post, or...
If was me and was on my land .I would of said your rent is full high tier internet 😉
Nice work ! Love watching this stuff ! I hate people that are so picky, make sure you put that client in the DO NOT give fiber to list ! LIke really a few inches, is she loosing anything ?
Where I live we have aerial electric, telephone company fiber, at least one other cable company, and underground sewer, natural gas, water, and a business fiber ring.
Where's your Rack-A-Tiers for that small spool. Sure would make your job easier
My fiber company got me all signed up and was making plans to bring a junction box up to the part in my driveway that my neighbors have to use to get to their property. They, for some reason, thought we were all related and were going to split the cost to that point, but I was the only one who actually signed up. The kind of after-the-fact asked if they could run the box to that part of my property, and I was hoping they would drop the additional install cost for the distance, but they didn't. They did trench fiber duct right up to my house and had to have a backhoe dig to the junction box because it was a curve in rocky ground.
Karen, there should have said something when the duct crew came out, but she probably has no leg to stand on as the city made the agreement. The zone guy should have known she was wrong also and told her off. I guess buddy will get paid a second time to pull the same fiber later :D
Should have just completed the install, and made the homeowner sue in court. It's a civil matter.
I can't stand people like you. Let me guess you are the type if a department store thinks you are stealing they have the right to detain you? Then it's a civil matter and you just need to take them to court. Liberals like you need to move out of this country
In this day and time, you never do anything outside of your free time, for FREE!
It's called "billable hours." A contractor job is worth so much, and the labour is part of the contract. If the contract can not be completed, then the worker can not bill against it. This was true when I worked as an installer for Rogers Cable, and when I was an audio-video tech wiring up hospitals. The company has to generate revenue from the worker's work, before the worker gets paid from the final invoice.
People can be so narrow minded sometimes. Ridiculous. Keep up the good work. You appeared to handle a shitty situation better than I likely would have.
Just an FYI to the fiber guy. The mule tape has measurements on it, no need to guess the distance.
Around me, the owners property is from the sidewalk(house side) to their house(property markers are right at the sidewalk). The right of way(city rights) is the sidewalk and to the road, thou we have to maintain the sidewalk & yard to the road. If there are utility line on poles, then from pole to pole below the lines, is the utility right of way.
Right now we have a company in our area burying pipe for fiber-optics basically installing under existing line on poles following that right of way.
So, they can't just use someones yard here without getting rights access. My last house I owned, the communicating company had asked me for a formal written approval to run a line from a pole to a business underground, since once placed, i would lose the ability to putting a fence in or maybe planting trees, since the pipe would be under the area. They even compensated me for the approval.
Thou you think that zoning person would have more knowledge, such as bring up a data sheet of the property on a laptop to see the property markers & details of the fiber-optics permits to bury line. Since I'm guessing they would have to file something for such a bigger change to the cities underground infrastructure for future work or additions.
That lady can't understand normal thinking.
Ha! That’s my line.
Really? Then why did zoning agree with her?
It is not KArens fault the company put its gold mine on her property , rather than the city property they were authorized to use.
@@johnm.4141they didn't they was unsure (so unsure means no) but in this case the access point wasn't been installed it been there for years it was a cable pull, he should have just finished the cable pull and said I won't be installing anything at this property today (add to report that address should be blacklisted)
She was right. It is her right to protect her private property, and she definitely does not want any wires running through the well to avoid future issues with multiple service providers and their clients when it comes to deciding on its removal. Absolute respect for private property is essential: today they will place their well on it, and tomorrow they will start demolishing houses to put new roads through neighborhoods! So keeping things in order begins with the smallest things.
Sounds like they need to dig that patch up the full length of her yard, fill with dirt and dig a parallel line adjacent. That should ook good.
Make sure you pull her fiber line if it’s on her property.
She was mouthing about if they want to pay her property taxes then they can leave it. I want deny her any use ever of the fiber optics and that would be the end of the story.
I'd have said fine. Then not paid them, and let her house be sold at auction. But i'm not a nice guy. 😝
Must be a Califuqyah KAREN.
Looked like OH or NY to me.
So many arguments , but nobody actually knows what the easement is. Lol
Thats utility easement. It was installed by contractors with permits from the city. Doesnt matter whether she thinks its her property or not. Should have done that install.
Assuming they're within the easement. It doesn't look like it.
So what am I missing. The conduit is there which means there was probably an easement when it was installed.
you are assuming i can tell you, this has happen to me with a sewer line. i had them remove it why they did not have a easement
It’s a dispute on the width of the easement. The city will come out and measure to resolve the question.
Engineer messed up
How so?
If the company missed the easement then yeah, a little messed up. But the way she was handling it, she was rude as hell
It doesn't matter how much you move it, she still Owens the ground the city only has right of way too do work without saying anything
That depends on how the lot was originally platted. My property ends about 8-12" from the sidewalk. The city owns everything else, but has an easement in their property for utilities who can rent that space. No one uses the easement area in front of my house, only in the back, which is adjacent to an alley. All utilities are outside of my property lines, except where the branch off to my house. My previous house didn't have an alley, and there was an easement on my property in the back for utilities. The electricity, phone, and cable went through that easement. I wasn't able to put any permanent structure on the easement, but that was the only restriction on me.
I heard the Karen with a thick northern accent carrying on about praaperty teaxes 😂
So what was she complaining about?
They put the hole on her property, not within the easement area.
She's missing 3" in her life. Size matters.
Wow I bet that house works for spectrum lol
so when I dig around a fiber line I don't have to be careful and not worry bout tapping on it way you are pulling it
Not a fan of this kind of posts, as it leave one hanging on how the problem was solved.
Guess which house won't have enet after this
This is why it sucks to live in the city anymore.
Gotta love a karen, she could use that 3" I suppose really ties the lawn together.
Well, I guess it only takes 3" to satisfy her.
Its not even 3". Its a 6" by 6" circle THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR YEARS! THIS is why I live in the country.
like what she install right there geeeez , i be flaming mad at her
You’re 3” on my property “want to pay my property taxes” lololol the balls on this lady
Here's your $1/yr lady now shut up
i was thinking the same thing.
Good
Zoning guy needs to bring a map and SHOW the easement boundary.
And that person needs to be flagged by the company to never get service.
Been there done that!
Most places have a 3 to 4 ft utility easement, she doesn't need fiber if she wants to be picky.
Gotta love it when entitled Karens ruin everything
Its because the county takes our properties without cause. We just lost 15 ft about 6 yrs ago now they want another 15ft for right away. We all are refusing and looking into sueing the county to get the 15 foot back and refuse the road nobody wants. The mining company and power plant gave not one 1inch and refused to allow right of way on their lands. So i understand her issue they take and wont reduce her taxes.
When we finally got a company to compete with the local cable company that had had a monopoly and offered the wonderful level of service that comes with being a monopoly we all welcomed them with open arms. They could have ran the fiber install through our living rooms and we'd still have welcomed them.
You don't get paid? Fuck that. Don't do it then.
Yeah I would be raising hell to get paid for that one.