I will say that Halo Reach Elites are supposed to have a little more Health and Shield. They were designed around the fact that you would have Allies that can't die and a lot of marines. Halo 4 Elites however, were designed around the fact that you would be alone most of the time. Other than that both their AI is basically the same. I think the Halo Reach Elites are the most durable one out of all the Halo games. Halo CE might be the exception though.
Their stats are the same (for the most part,) but their AI isn't. Halo 4's enemy AI is generally based on Reach's, but dumbed down to a certain degree. As a good example, Halo 4's AI is very prone to just forgetting about you very quickly once you're out of sight and behind cover. It is also worth noting that having allies in Halo Reach doesn't actually amount to as much as you'd think either. The Reach friendly AI is really bad, not only because they have rather slow reaction time, but friendly AI in Reach also dealt roughly half damage with all weapons so even normally great weapons (like the Sniper,) were way worse than they should be.
@@SentokuLC I think that has partly to do with what Robbie mentioned, Halo 4’s AI tends to forget where you are really quickly if you hide, whereas Reach’ AI, especially those of Skirmishers and higher ranking Elites, tended to chase you down if your shield breaks and/or you try to take cover.
343 didn't realize that the elites looked so big in Reach because they were next to spartan 3s, so they made them oversized compared to spartan 2s in halo 4.
@@AlexHristothat’s a thing too but the elites that fought in the human covenant war (and survived) are the ones that have the armor that looks like the generals in halo reach Those are the veterans ,somewhat hard to kill still
Its always strange that the Reach AI in these different videos seem kinda buggy, underperforming or just not using any tactics that they use against players. I remember the Reach enemies being quite difficult to face even to this day, but they lose quite often in AI vs AI battles .
Yeah I definitely think something's kinda off here, because the Reach AI is just straight up better than Halo 4's. I assume it must be some kind of limitation because I almost never see the AI dual wield any games, leading to Halo 2 under-performing often, but it also means we seldom see any Reach Elites dual wield Plasma Rifles, which isn't uncommon (especially Stealth Elites, who basically always have either two Plasma Rifles or an energy sword, leading to them being an extreme glass cannon.) At the very least for the Needlers, that's just Halo 4's being a stronger weapon. In Reach you couldn't supercombine until you broke their shield, Halo 4 you could supercombine regardless. Ditto for the Beam Rifle just being a better weapon than the Focus Rifle. The Concussion Rifle seemed to turn the Halo Reach Ultra around whenever he got hit, leading to very buggy interactions with it.
It's more reach weapons being inferior or weaker than the other games. As players we wouldn't notice since we are usually the ones with the weaker health and shields.
i think that a majority of the reach elites' tactics are very player-focused and don't apply to ai very well if at all. i dont know if they have the ability to tell when an enemy ai is at low shield, but they can tell when a player is for sure and press the advantage. i think the sheer stupidity of the 4 ai is kinda breaking them too unless this specific backport of the ai just sucks
343 explaining their new design in halo4 for elites, that they're another species of elites different from the bungie ones it makes you wonder. Did the old species retire in infinte? 🤔
It’s cuz the 343 elites are from hesduros and 343 claimed jul mdama heavily recruited from there… even tho he himself is a 343 elite but from sanghelios, but he still wore hesduros zealot armor even during the covenant war. Idk 343 logic man
I have an explanation. They're shitty at writing and made a terrible decision to justify the shitty art style change, now we're left with questions. No lore necessary. They're just bad at consistency.
343's explanation is nothing more than a half assed attempt to explain an unpopular art direction they took. The different subspecies argument falls flat on its face since Arbiter also has the new elite design in their games, as well as literally every elite on their homeworld. They decided to change the appearance of elites, faced backlash, then came up with some nonsense to try to explain it. Simple as.
They were just grasping at straws for some type of in-lore explanation because 343 was too scared to just straight up say that they just wanted to redesign the whole franchise.
Am I only one that likes both elites? I wish they did better job putting both for Halo 5, least halo 4 elites can have some adjustments and be elite heavy type at least!
Honestly if you could take the Halo Reach Elite Ai, slow down their melee animation to be much more telegraphed, they have the perfect base for how the Prophet Prelates could be.
So is this how the Blooding years were? Cause this would make for a very awesome Halo game. The Reach Elites are sill better than the glorified Brutes that the Halo 4 Elites are.
H4 elites are nightmares. And I had a very easy time fighting HR elites. Yet the H4 elites are nothing compared to their Reach versions. It's crazy. I must suck at H4.
The beginning with the Reach minors killing the Halo 4 minors with simple plasma rifles just goes to show how useless and utterly pointless it was to add storm rifles to Halo.
Halo ai is flawed in halo 4, npcs are literally useless or have no tactics at all, dont let me start with the allies ai aswell, but halos from CE till Reach are amazingly inteligent and got some tactics
They just stand there.... menacingly!!!
I will say that Halo Reach Elites are supposed to have a little more Health and Shield. They were designed around the fact that you would have Allies that can't die and a lot of marines. Halo 4 Elites however, were designed around the fact that you would be alone most of the time. Other than that both their AI is basically the same. I think the Halo Reach Elites are the most durable one out of all the Halo games. Halo CE might be the exception though.
and halo 4 weapons suck so bad that even enemies cant hit you with em. except the needler and plasma pistol. those are op verse you.
I think gerneralkidd looked at both of their stats and other than their animations and weapons, their stats are exactly the same.
Their stats are the same (for the most part,) but their AI isn't.
Halo 4's enemy AI is generally based on Reach's, but dumbed down to a certain degree. As a good example, Halo 4's AI is very prone to just forgetting about you very quickly once you're out of sight and behind cover.
It is also worth noting that having allies in Halo Reach doesn't actually amount to as much as you'd think either. The Reach friendly AI is really bad, not only because they have rather slow reaction time, but friendly AI in Reach also dealt roughly half damage with all weapons so even normally great weapons (like the Sniper,) were way worse than they should be.
I feel like the Reach Elite's AI behavior is a bit more aggressive than Halo 4
@@SentokuLC I think that has partly to do with what Robbie mentioned, Halo 4’s AI tends to forget where you are really quickly if you hide, whereas Reach’ AI, especially those of Skirmishers and higher ranking Elites, tended to chase you down if your shield breaks and/or you try to take cover.
343 didn't realize that the elites looked so big in Reach because they were next to spartan 3s, so they made them oversized compared to spartan 2s in halo 4.
Plausible. What size are they in h5 for comparison I’m curious
@@cosmictreason2242same as halo 4
Spartan 3’s are supposed to be equal in size to Spartan 2’s
@@JohnDoe-sw1rs no they weren't, the book Ghosts of Onyx is their first appearance and it's clear they're smaller
@@JohnDoe-sw1rsbro look at Jorge with the rest of Noble Team
Halo Reach are the Elites in their prime.
4’s Elites are those same fellas but with aging getting to them.
No I like to think they are a subspecies of elites.
@@AlexHristothat’s a thing too but the elites that fought in the human covenant war (and survived) are the ones that have the armor that looks like the generals in halo reach
Those are the veterans ,somewhat hard to kill still
No its just 343s lack of creating anything truly good. Always mediocre or meh @AlexHristo
Its always strange that the Reach AI in these different videos seem kinda buggy, underperforming or just not using any tactics that they use against players. I remember the Reach enemies being quite difficult to face even to this day, but they lose quite often in AI vs AI battles .
Yeah I definitely think something's kinda off here, because the Reach AI is just straight up better than Halo 4's. I assume it must be some kind of limitation because I almost never see the AI dual wield any games, leading to Halo 2 under-performing often, but it also means we seldom see any Reach Elites dual wield Plasma Rifles, which isn't uncommon (especially Stealth Elites, who basically always have either two Plasma Rifles or an energy sword, leading to them being an extreme glass cannon.)
At the very least for the Needlers, that's just Halo 4's being a stronger weapon. In Reach you couldn't supercombine until you broke their shield, Halo 4 you could supercombine regardless. Ditto for the Beam Rifle just being a better weapon than the Focus Rifle. The Concussion Rifle seemed to turn the Halo Reach Ultra around whenever he got hit, leading to very buggy interactions with it.
@@Robbie_Haruna They move like the difficulty is set up in easy or normal, they move better and are smarter in Heroic and Legendary
It is halo Ce engine so the things are way different
It's more reach weapons being inferior or weaker than the other games.
As players we wouldn't notice since we are usually the ones with the weaker health and shields.
i think that a majority of the reach elites' tactics are very player-focused and don't apply to ai very well if at all. i dont know if they have the ability to tell when an enemy ai is at low shield, but they can tell when a player is for sure and press the advantage. i think the sheer stupidity of the 4 ai is kinda breaking them too unless this specific backport of the ai just sucks
I think in the first match up the Reach Elites should have been using Plasma Repeaters, not Plasma Rifles.
I forgot about the 360 that H4 elites do when they die
343 explaining their new design in halo4 for elites, that they're another species of elites different from the bungie ones it makes you wonder. Did the old species retire in infinte? 🤔
It’s cuz the 343 elites are from hesduros and 343 claimed jul mdama heavily recruited from there… even tho he himself is a 343 elite but from sanghelios, but he still wore hesduros zealot armor even during the covenant war. Idk 343 logic man
@@ARandomSpecOp I'd wanna hear 343's explanation for this. Their elites retired💁🏾♂️😂😂
I have an explanation. They're shitty at writing and made a terrible decision to justify the shitty art style change, now we're left with questions. No lore necessary. They're just bad at consistency.
343's explanation is nothing more than a half assed attempt to explain an unpopular art direction they took.
The different subspecies argument falls flat on its face since Arbiter also has the new elite design in their games, as well as literally every elite on their homeworld.
They decided to change the appearance of elites, faced backlash, then came up with some nonsense to try to explain it. Simple as.
They were just grasping at straws for some type of in-lore explanation because 343 was too scared to just straight up say that they just wanted to redesign the whole franchise.
Am I only one that likes both elites? I wish they did better job putting both for Halo 5, least halo 4 elites can have some adjustments and be elite heavy type at least!
Honestly if you could take the Halo Reach Elite Ai, slow down their melee animation to be much more telegraphed, they have the perfect base for how the Prophet Prelates could be.
The ultras didnt spam armor lock lol
Truuuue
Halo Reach Elites vs. Promethean Knights
Halo Reach Grunts vs. Promethean Crawlers
Halo Reach Jackals/Skirmishers vs. Halo 4 Jackals
Halo Reach Brutes vs. Halo 4 Elites
Halo Reach Elites looked super badass. And Halo 4's looked like dinosaurs.
Wow Halo 4 Elites are big dum dum
Very, kinda like their creators
@@bmxdude1337 nah they were just COD fans
Oh wait
@@hunterh1175 lololol
Halo Reach elites are terrifying and very agile and fast
So is this how the Blooding years were? Cause this would make for a very awesome Halo game.
The Reach Elites are sill better than the glorified Brutes that the Halo 4 Elites are.
Are same lmao, reach only is more health
@@spartanjohn-1176The Reach AI is much better. Notice how much more they move around and use grenades compared to their H4 counterpart
@@LordiValimartti ARE SAME, IA STATS IS SAME
because 343 fucked up the AI
@@spartanjohn-1176 halo reach AI is better tho the only reason why halo 4 needler elites won is because the needler is OP in halo 4
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HOW DID THEY WIN!?!?
Halo 4 and 5 Elites are literally just dumbed down Halo Reach Elites 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
elites shouldnt even be enemies in halo 4
@@bruhgod123or 5...
343 just sucks because Frank O'Connor wanted HIS version of Halo to be different from Bungies..
There a decent list of reasons why the Halo Reach Elites were better than most other Elites.
AYEEE
the missile speed on the halo 4 concussion rifle is at least twice as fast as the halo reach version
Foearm protections i think
ELITE ELITE ELITE
1:30 elite reach says: causa
H4 elites are nightmares. And I had a very easy time fighting HR elites.
Yet the H4 elites are nothing compared to their Reach versions.
It's crazy. I must suck at H4.
R1 :HReach
R2 :HReach
R3 :HReach
R4 :H4
R5 :H4
R6 :H4
R7 :HReach
R8 :HReach
R9 :H4
R10 :H4
R11 :H4
R12 :H4
R13 :HReach
*H1 MASTER CHIEF vs H2 MASTER CHIEF vs H3 MASTER CHIEF vs H4 MASTER CHIEF vs H5 MASTER CHIEF*
The beginning with the Reach minors killing the Halo 4 minors with simple plasma rifles just goes to show how useless and utterly pointless it was to add storm rifles to Halo.
they should replace the plasma repeaters with the storm rifle
10:36 4 elite punched so hard the reach elite disintegrated.
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This shows how much Halo has changed since Reach...
Edit:Halo 4 elites didn't sound like Reach's
Halo ai is flawed in halo 4, npcs are literally useless or have no tactics at all, dont let me start with the allies ai aswell, but halos from CE till Reach are amazingly inteligent and got some tactics
Are same but reach elites has more health and shields and op weapons
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