5 COMMON MISTAKES When Using WIRELESS MUSIC GEAR
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
- In today's video, we are going over 5 common mistakes I see from musicians when using wireless music gear. This can be applied if you are using wireless microphones, guitar/bass/instrument systems, or in ear monitor systems. All of these (except 1) are mistakes I have made on my wireless journey, so hopefully they help you prevent making the same mistakes I did.
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0:00 - Intro
1:11 - Mistake #1
4:51 - Mistake #2a
5:43 - Mistake #2b
7:43 - Mistake #3
13:34 - Mistake #4
17:05 - Mistake #5
18:33 - Outro
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6. Have readily available batteries or a wired fail safe if any of your wireless gear has an issue.
Absolutely!
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Yeah. This just happened at our gig yesterday to our keyboard player, who played inear for the first time 🤦
I use a rechargeable system but wouldn't even start without a back up. That's my outside system without electric available.
Concerning the new GLXD I played 2 3hour gigs and still tells me I have 12 hours left. But of course I have a replacement Batterie in spare. You never know…😉😀
dude i've watched one video of yours a month and a half ago about iems and since then i get suggestions of your vids EVERY DAY and it's never the same video. how much have you worked on this subject???? you are the one stop channel for this 👏
Haha thanks man. It’s a lot of work for sure… editing takes forever! But it’s worth it to see the growth of the channel and how much it’s helpful to people 🤘
I am sponging all this stuff up. Great info!!
Thank you for a great review, looks like an awesome product!😀👍
Great overview. We are beginning with IEMs in rehearsal. First gig is a few weeks away with them.
Best channel I know regarding this sort of stuff. Clear, concise, extremely helpful. You've helped me get my set up going and I really appreciate that!
Thank you Ben!
dude, your channel is a gem! So much informative and very useful stuff! Learned a crap tone of stuff. Thank you very much sir! \m/
Thanks Arthur!
I appreciate your helping the people!
Thanks!
I've been watching this channel for a couple weeks and finally subscribed. Such a large amount of information I can't believe you don't have more subscribers. Keep up the awesome videos!
Thanks! I appreciate it!
Awesome! I can't tell you how happy I am to find your channel! I've been running sound out of necessity for awhile and have only picked up knowledge here and there. This video goes a long way for me. Thank you!
Thanks! 😁
Such an informative, clear and succinct video! Great diction and editing too. I learn so much from you thanks
Thank you! 😊
Great well explained video again Scott. for me, I had to watch a couple of times to digest all the info
Glad it helped 🤘🤘
I really appreciate your channel. You provide the best, most reliable information. Thanks.
Thank you!
Awesome video, went from zero to hero for our band. Much love, appreciate the info!!
Glad I could help!
Once again simple but incredible useful/valuable information for someone who uses IEM’s. Thanks so much for taking the time to post this. This info will help me out!
Glad to help!
thank you so much for ALL your video's! I didn't even know you neede to scan! Also how the signals work in relation to each others. Crystal clear explaned and still learning of each video, thank you so much man!
Thank you! Glad to help!
So glad I found your channel! I’m getting back to gigging after a long break and an instrument change. You’ve been very helpful!
Thank you 🙏 Good luck with the gigs!
awesome! thanks!!!
WOW! This has to be one of the most informative videos on wireless mics I've seen. What a goldmine! Easy to understand and straight to the point. Thank you sir. Peace out !
Glad to help!
Thanks for the very informative video!
Glad it was helpful!
Your videos are Always full of great info
Thank you
Thanks!
Very informative for me putting together an IEM-Rack for my band. Thanx 1000 times! :-)
Glad to help!
Suscribed 🎉 thanks for the tips, and heads up of your videos 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks! I appreciate that 🤘
Great info....waiting for the sennheiser ewd system to arrive in a week or so. Exited to try it
Nice! Sennheiser makes great stuff
This was a really great and well done video! very thorough and you took the time to repeat things, especially important things that help drive the point home. I just finished the ultimate compact all-in-one rack with 6x Shure SLXD mics, 4x PSM300 IEMs, both with Shure Distribution and Antenna Combiners all plugged nicely into a Presonus Studiolive 32R. This weekend I'm adding an Art S8 XLR splitter so we can do the Vocal mics split out to a separate sound system for FOH and still keep our rig and channels intact and getting a custom stage snake with dual XLR male end cable snakes to split our instruments as well with FOH.
Scott, great explanation. I agree will all of your assessments as I have been doing wireless for the last 15 + years and can sing the Wireless Blues! One touchy subject is the use of the 2.4GHz band for wireless. I started using SLX for a bit then Line 6 wireless came out and we replaced all with Line 6. They were good sounding mics and you could change the model, etc. However after several years, maybe up to 2015, we started to have dropouts of the V75 HH mics and eventually the Guitar Relay series as well.
We now have switched all over to QLX-D where we have plenty of channels and our IEMs are PSM 900. Very expensive at this point, but we don't have dropouts!
I recently bought those X-Live ones that operate on 2.4GHz and they are complete dropout junk. IMHO, I would not recommend anyone buy any wireless that operates on 2.4GHz. 2.4GHz is way too crowded as most wireless routers are transmitting on 2.4GHz as well as all the blue tooth devices. STAY AWAY from 2.4GHz DEVICES!!!
Man, I was about to make all those mistakes. I am going to start live loop performing and some acoustic gigs, I am so glad I ran into this video. Subscribed.
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Bravo!! This is an excellent
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Many thanks!
so useful !!
Thanks! 😊
another informative video...
Thanks Steve!
Very informative and easy to understand. With the background at first I thought you were going for the Count Dracula look because the big black collars. Anyway thanks again. Do you have a UA-cam clip of your band playing live you would recommend watching?
Lol you are the 2nd person to point that out and now I cannot unsee it 😂
For my original Music (Spiral Cell) here’s a concert I did during quarantine: ua-cam.com/video/dFF6dgxD_5E/v-deo.html
Thanks for this review. Very curious about these products! Hope to win!
This is some great great info! Challenge #1, a show with a box of old Nady 1s, the opening band’s borrowed guitars, and 1/5th of old no.7! Jk!
A phone with a noolec sdr dongle would likely be great kit to carry! You can navigate the waterfall of signals affordably. Plus, listen to the cops breaking up the chaos as you slip out the back!
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Oh dear, thank you for this! I came across this video a bit too late for our first upcoming gig with IEM, but at least now I have a decent idea why 2 out of 5 of us have intermittent drop outs with our cheap gear. 🥴
Glad it was helpful! And yeah, it’s THE most common problem I see. Sometimes cheaper does work, but often times, you will reach the threshold.
me too have done these brooo
I can not tell you how badly I needed you to make this video.
Glad it helped!
Hi! Just a Scan works when you have few channels and you might get lucky. It can also work when you have loads of channels, but again, if you get lucky. The most important step after scan is to do frequency coordination, and that might be why the sound guy didn’t want to go with a simple scan. You can find free channels with a scan, but it won’t check for intermodulation and other problems it might occur when you start using that free frequency.
The right way is to scan with an RF analyzer and leave the scan running for the longest time you can. Usually you can setup RF analyzer and laptop to scan continuously even when you do your backline setup if you have that chance, and then import the scan file into a software like shure workbench. Import all frequencies into the calculations and the software will calculate the frewuencies for your RF devices.
I can try to help further if you have questions as I do frequency coordination on a daily basis.
Best!
Yeah for sure if you have an RF analyzer that’s always best for sure. Most bands don’t, and a scan is definitely the most helpful without it. I think the sound guy just didn’t want to change channels because he wanted to keep them where they were. But you are correct, frequency manager with a laptop is best if you can! But most people don’t have that, so scanning is great in that case 👍 Thanks!
@@ScottUhlMusic but is good practice to use the software even if you have no way how to import a scan into calculations. If you scan a free channel/frequency, even though it’s free at the time of the scan, it doesn’t mean it will be a good frequency when every wireless devices are active.
So if you have all frequencies in the software, and you run a scan on your microphone and a new frequency, you can insert that frequency into the software and check for intermods with the frequencies you are using. This would be my advice for those who want to make it more advance, but have no access to a RF explorer for example…
@Scott I would be surprised if a band had an RF analyzer but with Shure SLX-D and above receivers you dont need a one. If you connect a laptop to the receivers over ethernet you can use one or all of the receivers to perform a scan in Wireless Workbench (WWB) and then calculate the best frequencies to use for all your other devices. You can even use WWB to coordinate non Shure devices.
Replay!!! I’m sure this could be a series on it’s own as time goes by with more rules.
Oh man. I needed this! Im using way too much wireless! 7 wireless IEMs from Phenyx and a 6 Shure 900mhz digital ..... way too much stuff. 900Mhz has become really busy! My Guess is that getting all my IEMS onto a single channel should clear up some dropouts!
Yeah man, definitely cannot do that much cheap stuff! Even the good entry level ones like the Phenyx Pro and the Shure ones 👍
Senn XSW-D auto-scans, good tip but never had a problem. Shure PGXDs have also been rock solid for karaoke gigs. The RF pattern on those omni antennas is shaped like a donut with the antenna right through the hole, that’s an easy way to remember it. Buying midrange wireless gear used is maybe a little more than low-end new, but it’ll hold value better and be a better product. Senn EW-D and Shure PGXD / GLXD stuff is getting more affordable these days, and again I’ve had really good luck with the XSW-D line.
Love your stuff man have learned a lot from your channel.
What do you think of the Sennheiser ew 300 IEM g2 transmitter and receiver. I know someone selling a few units used. They are pretty old and I am just getting into wireless gear so I’m a little nervous about purchasing these and them not working.
Appreciate you brother!!!
Thanks! And the G3 and G4 are very common and really reliable. I’m not as familiar with the G2 model, but I’m willing to bet they are great. Just make sure you check the frequency band for which ones are allowed in your area/country. A lot of people sell ones for super cheap when they are no longer “legal” to use.
@@ScottUhlMusic thanks for replying so quick man!!!
I believe these will still work in my area. It’s saying in the manual that the frequency’s are from 518 - 866.
I’m in Canada and the Canadian website is saying 500 is good for anyone to use.
The price seems a bit to good to be true for 1000 bucks for 4 units and a rack case. I’m going to check them out today and get to scoop!! Thanks for your help brother!!!!
All the best.
I'm still learning on how to setup networking with a spectrum analyzer for RF coordination moving forward I only plan on buying wireless gear with built in Ethernet connection for network
That’s a great way to make sure wireless works well! That’s definitely one of the best ways
Very informative, shared this with several people, thanks!
Quick question, what are your thoughts on Carvin IEM systems (EM900’s)?
Been using them for several years now and really like’em for the price, but have seen few reviews and am curious of your thoughts on them.
Thanks! And I have not used those before, so I don’t know. But if you like them, that’s what’s important!
Scott, you're the man! been running an awesome IEM rig with my band for a year now (thanks to your help). Im trying to eliminate the dreaded heap of twisted cables just like you were. We already run wireless in ears and wireless guitars BUT.. I need more, im in too deep in the vast freedom of wireless. Is it technically possible to connect our 3 kempers to our X32 mixer with some wireless transmitters and receivers?
Thanks! Glad to help! And you can do that yes, but you could also just put your kempers in a rack near the x32 and trigger them via midi if you are interested in that.
But yes, any wireless can be wireless for kemper into mixer. I’ve done that many times with my helix and hx stomp
And scan after everyone and everything is setup and on. I push the scan right before soundcheck. Even better, buy one that then auto switches once setup and it fights interference for you. I use Shure for wireless guitar and Sennheiser for IEM.
Old skool guitarist here. Subbed to this channel because I have much to learn about this wireless stuff and new tech. I play mostly on ourdoor stages, usually concrete all around. Nobody else in the band has a wireless system, but I assume the sound techs do because a lot of them are mixing on an iPad. How much do cell phones affect a wireless signal? I'm hoping I can get away with a less expensive system since there will hopefully be less interference than if there were more wireless systems being used close to me?
Phone mostly effects 2.4ghz because it shares Bluetooth and Wi-Fi and stuff like that. Most UHF stuff isn’t effected by phones 👍 Thanks for the sub!
A big pro for dual or quad receivers/transmitters is also combined power and network.
Definitely! Thats a big reason I bought the Shure slxd. One for my mic and one for my guitar
Your thoughts to qlxd4 wireless mic? Do you recommend it?
Yeah definitely! It’s a great system! I reviewed it here: ua-cam.com/video/TosqbbS18Oo/v-deo.html
Thanks for the video Scott. I am currently racking my Sennheiser EW 500 guitar system receiver along with my Shure PSM 300 IEM transmitter. This is probably not best practice but I have not found any info anywhere that says don't do it. It is convenient and easy to transport this way. I'm also using a Shure GLXD16 ( 2.4 ver) for my acoustic guitar that sits on my board. Any thoughts, advice?
We have 1 high end Shure Wireless Mic, 3 Shure IEM systems, another 2.4 guitar system, and we use a 2.5/5ghz wiifi router to give the band access for their own monitor mix. We run a splitter for the FOH guys. The Sennheiser has quite a broad range and so far I haven't had significant interference, but I do experience occasional drops in my IEM. I am scanning the IEM and Sennheiser each new venue and I have the GXLD which auto scans set to group 4 channel 1 supposedly best for reducing interference.
Also what is that small single unit travel case you show in the video?
If you just have two in a rack that’s usually fine… it’s when you have a bunch in a rack that there’s a problem. More than 3/4 is when I recommend spacing them out or getting a combiner
Well done and very informative. High end systems (meaning expensive) for me is out of the question so prudent selection from the cheap ones is my goal. In a small band (guitar, bass, and electronic drums) would it be advisable to use a particular frequency group for speaker connections, instruments,vocals and in ears so they don’t collide with each other? Without the frequency scan capability of the high end units; is there another way to scan to see what’s available?
Thanks dude and you are truly an inspiration! Think I’ll watch the other wireless tutorial you suggested yet again. They’re all so good!
Thanks, glad you like the videos. If you are doing wireless for ALL of those, you will likely run into problems doing all of that with cheaper wireless. The more cheap stuff you use, the more likely you will run into issues. Wireless speakers are nice but that’s the first one I would just wire up. Frequencies always depend on the environment around you, so there is t a “best frequency.” Although I definitely wouldn’t use more than 1-2 of the 2.4ghz systems.
@@ScottUhlMusic I’m not using any 2.4ghz and only a couple of 5.8ghz. Everything else is in mhz. I’m still trying to get my hands around the concepts so I’ll be watching your videos repeatedly until it sinks in. I’m curious about how to scan for best frequencies without having the functionality like the Shure or Sennheiser. Is there an app or handheld device that would work?
Thanks again.
Great video, I have a Phenyx Pro PTU-2U. I used it at an event recently, I am a DJ. I wanted to make my set up look clean so I put the receiver under my DJ table which is covered by a cloth. I did scan for new channels once most people were in the venue but I noticed One of my mics still had drop outs while the other one was perfectly fine. I found when it dropped out it didn't work again until I turned off and turned back on or scan again. I guess having the receiver under the table is a no no??. It wasn't on the floor. I even changed batteries before the event
Sometimes you can just have a lot of interference in the area you are performing at. But keeping line of sight is always best practice!
misate #4 14:50 .... we are rocking our 22 sennheisers without any external antena :D all burried in closed racks even on big stages :D we will get antena spliters eventualy but doing great since 2013 :D
Thanks Scott, great information. In choosing between the Shure SLXD, QXLD, OR ULXD is there a difference between how well the intended sound is replicated with the same microphone. In other words, Will a B87A sound the same out of the box, no adjustments, with all three systems?
All 3 systems will sound the same 👍 it’s the specs that are different. Good question!
@@ScottUhlMusic Thanks, as usual you have the answer. Much appreciated.
Hey. Great info. I have the psm 300 in ear system and slxd wireless mic. Is putting both of these in the same rack with antennas facing out a “bad” idea? Since it’s only 2?
No, 2 should be fine. Up to 4 is usually okay in my experience. Don’t face the antennas “out” like I mention in the video though!
You have a great channel, my friend!!! Really helpful information. Do you know the 4 channel system ACEMIC EM-D04 ?? can you make a review on it ? Thank you!!!
Hmmm all 4 in one! That’s really interesting. I’ll have to look into that, thanks!
@@ScottUhlMusic it would be great if check it and let us know your thoughts. It's the cheapest and complete system here in Argentina and the only one with this characteristics. I hope you can take a look at it 💪🏼
Thank you for the great information. I have 4 Sure SLX mic units. Would you suggest getting one BLX-D or one Phenyx active antenna distributor to improve my system ? I’m very tight on budget and I need to use 4 wireless mics for an upcoming speaking event.
Thank you in advance for your help.
4 is usually okay if you space them out on stage, but if these are for a speaking event, it’s definitely recommended to get an antenna distribution system for it if they will all be in a rack.
@@ScottUhlMusic do you think I’ll be ok with an analog SLX system with the Phenyx active antenna distributor and not need to upgrade to a digital system?
Hey Scott! I have a question regarding the UHF guitar system and microphone system. Do they have specific configuration for each application?
Thanks for all your videos on this matter. I am learning a lot with you!
Thanks! And what do you mean by specific configuration?
@@ScottUhlMusic like pre amp, impedance, etc… My point is, is each device designed for it’s own application? Or if I had a mic uhf system, I could use for my guitar?
Hi! What are your thoughts on using IEM and Wireless Mic on the same range? Of course on different frequencies. I have this setup and wondering if my noise problems may be because of that.
That won’t be a problem. Your noise is likely coming from somewhere else
Do you have a tutorial on how to position paddle antennas? I have a paddle antenna for wireless mics and a paddle antenna for wireless IEM. I have a lot of problems with dropouts.
Not particularly on placement, but these videos should help:
ua-cam.com/video/f3gDWJc9phA/v-deo.htmlsi=aWNMhX8Fs4FBAXOg
ua-cam.com/video/m6Q3L4a63bQ/v-deo.htmlsi=hqE0htAn-Y2_SQ3x
ua-cam.com/video/fV1SJzLHwPI/v-deo.htmlsi=BRhETHPlIA2vFaS0
Interesting that you are having problems even with a combiner
Re-scanning at every gig can be problematic too.. You can simply go round and round in circles if you have quite a few systems.
Setting maximum spacing (with a little further adjustment) before the gig is a good start, then shift an occupied channel if necessary.
There may just be broadband noise at a gig. Trying to find clear channels at a gig can be a nightmare!
Software is always best if you can do it of course. But if not, scanning starting from the “most important” one first is a good way to go
Is it possible to connect a router with a combiner. I know they usually have to be 10ft away. It would be great to keep in the rack
Yeah, that’s not a problem. Just if the wireless is on 2.4 or 5.8, they should be kept away from a router
Hey Scott. Thanks for these videos. If you see this and can add some insight I would appreciate it. So I get the thought process on bringing antennas to the front. I wonder why manufacturers don’t do that when lots of people out these in racks. Anyway I’m putting together a 6U rack around my axefx3. I reserved 1U of space for a guitar wireless and also an IEM. But I’m concerned about the antennas in the back. I won’t be able to open them. So….if possible I want to bring them to the front. I have seen pics of running one half unit with a space plate on the other side to run antennas. But I can’t do that Becusee I need the entire 1U space for both receivers. I do notice however that there are holes on the sides of the rail brackets. I assume they are for antennas. That will help solve some of this issue. But if so I can only run two antennas to the front. Some systems
Have two antennas. I didn’t expect this issue and it’s frustrating. Any tips or input would be truly appreciated
Yeah, whatever you need to do to bring the antennas to the front is absolutely best. Having the wireless buried in a rack is not a good idea.
There is a half rack thing that I use with my IEM system but I don’t know if it works with everything: ua-cam.com/video/hqKuBwwNJTE/v-deo.html
I have recently purchased two Shure SLX-D dual rackmount receivers. This will utilize four antenna's combined. Will this give me issues or must I have some kind of combiner?
Not likely, that shouldn’t cause too many problems. A combiner is always better practice but not required.
For IEMs one thing I cannot recommend enough is a good external antenna. Those little 1/4 wave whips that ship with the transmitters are... not good.
I'm currently running an Audio Technica ATW-3255 and a Phenyx Pro PTM-10 in my band's setup. With the included 1/4 wave antennas mounted on the front of the rack things were just never quite right. There were always spots, at home, on stage or even in my band's tiny little practice room, where it would sound kind of fizzy or even momentarily drop out entirely. It was never unusable to the point where I would prefer the alternative of a blown out monitor wedge, but always enough to be annoying. Not just on the Phenyx either. The much pricier A-T unit performed better, but still short of perfect.
I added an RF Venue passive combiner ($99) and a Sennheiser U-1031 passive omnidirectional antenna ($180), mounted on a mic stand about chest high and everything is so much better. Dropouts are non existent. No more of those fizzy half dropouts (may have been multipath from the rackmount antennas being so close the floor?), and most surprisingly, setting aside the dropout/reliability issue entirely, the sound quality just seems all around better. I was planning on dropping another $1300 to replace that Phenyx Pro with another A-T unit and 2 receivers ASAP, but I'm honestly now considering just sticking with the Phenyx since it seems to be working so well with the combiner and external antenna setup.
Nice! I hadn’t seen the Sennheiser Omni antenna like that. I’m going to have to look into that more. Thanks for the suggestion!
@@ScottUhlMusic Yeah, it's wild how well that antenna has worked for me. Might be the best $180 I've ever spent on gear. Just plugged it in and all my RF reception issues instantly went away.
Although full disclaimer the mic stand may actually be the real silver bullet here. It's possible that simply remotely mounting the stock antennas up away from the rack and the floor could have solved my problem too. But placing any reasonable dollar value on my time, I'm coming out ahead buying the RF venue combiner and Sennheiser antenna instead of figuring out some way to jury rig the 1/4 waves up in the air somewhere.
Great video...just found you. Hopefully you can give me a pointer or two with my Sennheiser. First, mine is in a rack and the antennae are in the back. What do I need to get to put them in the front? Second, I'm using an Axe FX3 in 4CM. If I use a guitar cable I don't have any issues...throw in the Sennheiser, and, especially when I try to use the setting I have for a faux single coil effect, I get wicked high pitched feedback...I'm assuming it's feedback, but it sounds like a high pitched squeal which does not go away no matter where I move to. Any thoughts...THANKS✌
You need a rack mount kit 👍 definitely do that!
And if you have your sennheiser setup correctly where you just replace the cable with the sennheiser wireless, you should not get any problems. My guess is it’s a routing issue?
@@ScottUhlMusic Scott…thank you for your reply. I have mine in it’s included kit, but there was nothing to show how to put the antennae in the front. As for the routing I’m going out from the back of the rack into the guitar input of the Axe FX3, and then everything is set up per the Fractal instructions with regard 4CM. I’ve used a number of wireless systems, and this is my second Sennheiser after the one I had in England, and I’ve never had the experience I’m having with this one. I had to go back to using cable again for practise today. It’s really bugging me because I know these Sennheiser units are excellent, and I’m sure the issue can’t be with the unit, but I’ll be damned if I can figure it. I mean, from what I’ve just said, that’s how it’s supposed to be routed right? I’m using a standard lead, which I’ve done before, but should I be using a different type of lead…balanced to 1/4 inch for eg??? Any advice will be brilliant.
Hey Scott, I’m planing mounting my PSM 300 inear together with a GLXD 14 wireless for my guitar into one rack, mounting the antennas to the front. Do you think that’ll work properly?
Yes. 2 antennas in a rack is fine
Thank you very much
Another great video, feed the algorithm gods with a comment...
Thank you 🙏
I still have my
Shure T4G from 1999
208.200 MHz
20+ years and never had any issues
Thoughts?
Oh nice! I don’t know enough about that frequency tbh
Yes I'm thinking it's 2 receivers combined in one unit and I just didn't know it. I'm just asking if I can have them all in the same group and set to different channels and not have any problems even though they are different receivers in the same area. I'm thinking that's what u were saying in your video if I'm not mistaken.
If they are all in the same frequency Band (A, A1, G50, H55 etc). This video should help: ua-cam.com/video/3zuHC2m0l3s/v-deo.htmlsi=JttnAWMH33dhDXEH
Master, teach us the ways of the force....uh, I mean wireless. 😆
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First thing to do is set the gain on the mic.
They will actually overload with a loud singer, if a setting is used for conferences etc. causing compression and feedback problems.
That’s good advice, although it’s more an audio tips, not a wireless tip. But I agree
Hey Scott I have the phenyx PTM 22 iems and Shure BLX4 wireless mics. I have tried to have the receivers in the same rack space but I get interference whenever I do this. Have you experienced this before? Hoping for a solution! Thanks
The blx without the rack antennas definitely doesn’t play nice with in ear monitors. Thats very true. I tried to have mine in a rack with my iems and had problems with the blx before. I suggest upgrading and watching my comprehensive guide: ua-cam.com/video/Xi2JcMomjQ0/v-deo.htmlsi=_90-dJNDl8gjyXE7
Hey will 6 of the Anleon s3 units work together? I’ve been using 2 without any issues but I would like to get more for the rest of the band?????
I wouldn’t recommend it. But it’s possible. You never know, these are guidelines, not flat out rules. It always depends on the environment. Those are budget friendly wireless. Using 2 is what it’s meant for. I personally would go for higher end wireless if you need 6
I’m in charge of sound for my band we run about 16 wireless systems with in ears and I don’t scan any receiver except 1. All I need is to scan with 1 axient receiver and wireless workbench deploys channels to the others. If I were to scan every receiver that would take longer
The Axient is quite amazing!
Thanks for the Information! Yes it’s awesome.
I am interested if the Shure QLX-D Digital Wireless System is worth the extra $400 compared to the Shure SLXD24 Digital Wireless System??? I am a lead singer (play some guitar)
You get more frequencies with the QLXD than you do with the SLXD. Slxd is great and it’s the one I use. But you will never complain about having more frequency options 👍
Just curious that would the distance from the ground of the receiver of a guitar wireless (or transmitter for IEM's) matter at all? Should it be high up to a point? I think I've heard something like this before..
Eh, not really. It can help, but kind of sight is always the most important
No problem having lots of receiver antennas together, or lots of transmitters, just don't mix them or have them so close that they become detuned or loaded by the adjacent antenna.
Combiners have losses and their own intermodulation limits. Adding that loss may be useful though.
You definitely want to avoid “antenna farms”
Xcuze me but don't quite get it, what abour golden wireless plugs giveaway? Did I miss something?
Yeah I did the giveaway on my story. I tried doing a short and it just wasn’t getting views. I also tried to do it as a normal video and it didn’t work as well. I did the drawing on my UA-cam and Instagram story and left a comment on the winners comment. I’ll likely do my giveaways that way in the future too 👍
I'm a professional sound engineer and a hobby musician. I can confirm everything you said and it's not really common for a musician to have all that knowledge you gathered. I even actually have to argue with sound colleges about some of these points from time to time 😮
Thanks! I appreciate you sharing that 🤘
I have a rack mounted Line 6 G90, Sennheiser EW500 G3 wireless mic, and EW300 G3 IEM. Can i combine the antenna from my Line 6 (guitar) and EW500 (mic) since they are both receivers?
For clarification, the line 6 already has front mount antenna and includes the option of antenna output behind the unit to allow for "daisy chaining" to other G90 units. I just want to make sure i can daisy chain through to the Sennheiser Mic receiver.
The G90 is in 2.4ghz right? So they are in different frequency bands, so that likely wouldn’t worked
@@ScottUhlMusic unfortunately. This was my concern. I was trying to figure out if the RF signal was just "passed through" and could still be used in the 5 GHz band, but I think I'm probably oversimplifying the problem. Thanks!
Comments help Al G. O'Rhythm...so here's to Al. :-)
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Help. I play in an acoustic duo (2 acoustic guitars, 2 vocals) . Last gig in a loud bar, the floor monitors were boomy and I had to keep cutting bass and mids which hurt the signal to the mains. I only gig occasionally. I watched a few of your reviews but could you suggest an in ear solution? I have a Soundcraft EFX 12 board (one aux send) and thinking of upgrading to a board with 2 aux sends. We only play live every 2 months or so.
I have a lot of videos on in ears. I like this one for a budget one: ua-cam.com/video/dJL_zI2drRQ/v-deo.html
And this one is the one I use: ua-cam.com/video/4yMOraF7DYo/v-deo.html
@@ScottUhlMusic I've seen all o you IEM videos. Was hoping you'd suggest one. Thanks dude!
Hello there! What about using wireless mic receivers like Axient Digital and wireless in-ears in one rack? I'm not sure about the rf interference from the antenna combiner and antenna distribution system in this close proximity. Is it even ideal to have such a setup in one rack, or is the solution in using two racks at some distance from each other?
The Axient combines already, so you can have 2 or 4 systems that already are combined to just two antennas. I have a quad wireless in my rack with a Shure PSM system and a sennheiser IEM system and it’s been fine 👍 those are a lot more high end, and like I said they already combine which is great!
@@ScottUhlMusic Wow! Did you consider shooting a video about that? It's quite rare to find high-end systems with Axient Digital on youtube...
I’ve had a few requests for it! I just might have to 🤘
@@ScottUhlMusic Looking forward to it!
The antenna combiner is an interesting concept. However, coming from the ham radio world, it has always been common knowledge that antennas that are only receiving a signal can be very close to each other. Think about those who are short wave listeners and have 5 or 6 receiving antennas in close proximity on their roofs. There is no interference with another receiving antenna when an antenna is only receiving signal. A parking lot of cars at Wal-Mart will all receive the local radio station without interference from the other cars. So if you have 4 Shure wireless units in your rack, all receiving a signal from a certain microphone frequency some distance away, there are no transmitting antennas in close proximity to interfere with that signal, correct? For IEM's, I can see the propagation argument better, as antennas in close proximity to each other are transmitting to the body packs. I also do not understand the concept of tilting the antennas 90 degrees apart for UHF/VHF which both utilize vertical propagation. If anyone has any science behind these concepts, please let me know.
I’m assuming groups and banks are the same thing?
Usually yeah 👍
So...I have 3 shure microphone systems with 2 microphones on each receiver. Are u saying that all 6 microphones should be on the same group with different channels assigned. I have been having problems!
You should do that, yes. Groups and channels work very well together. But are you saying you use 2 mics set to the same channel at the same time? If so, that’s where you are going to be having problems too. Each wireless needs to be on its own channel/frequency
I just got the Shure PSM 300 with P3RA receiver and SE215's. It's on the H20 band (518-542MHz) and... it's useless. Great audio quality, astonishing range, but a ton of interference even 2 meters from the transmitter, and I can find a bunch of spots in the house and outside, where there's heavy RF interference. I'm in a desolate summer house area, so it just seems wrong. Now I'm wondering if the band is wrong, or if the system is bad :(
(edit) Oh and I have several Sennheiser G2 wireless microphones in the 800MHz band. They work fine around here..
If you are in the USA, you aren’t supposed to use 800mhz. I would definitely have to problem solve to see why you are having so many problems with the 300s. There’s no reason for that imo unless something is being done very incorrectly or the unit is bad or you have connected it incorrectly
beginner ask. 🙏
can i used just 1 transmitter for use wireless mic + receiver?
and i use different brand..( now, i just have wireless mic & transmitter)
You should have the same transmitter and receiver, I would not mix and match 👍
@@ScottUhlMusic understood.. thanks!
Like you O got obsessed with wireless. But I held mine to AKG wireless bug systems. Got 7 of them including a mic bug and a battery powered receiver. 2 separate systems. The antenna thing has never hit me even playing out. Also for a IEM system I ended up getting a couple Getaria 5.8 rechargeable wireless bug systems that do do what they're supposed to. But not playing out as much I kinda started using the rechargeable on the pedalboard to amp side. This way I can pick up the board to turn knobs to get "that sound" for the song. Easier on me. Keep a notebook and figure out most fun way to play with my pedals. Just not much wah up here . L O L. Got enough wireless for 2 guitars, bass, keys, elect. drums,acoustic guitar singer. All at once.
Nice! Glad it’s working for you! Your wireless CAN still work in these situations. It’s not a “your gear will 100% fail if you do these things” but it’s just adding to the possibility that wireless won’t work. I’ve seen many antenna farms and the wireless still works, but best practice is to combine or separate/etc
I got the Kimafun that u show there and I can’t make them sounds without a small noice; they came 2 days ago, today I’ll test them out of my room to check if is the room with the wify or something
Those are very cheap and on 2.4Ghz. Be sure to watch this video: ua-cam.com/video/RCrFKKr8WUA/v-deo.html
I was able to get them to work well for my duo and solo performance though. Usually it’s a router issue
@@ScottUhlMusic I’ll watch it! Thanks!!!
I got the Kimafun InEars, too.
I get dropouts after 2-3 songs in our rehearsal :-( it starts perfect, after a short time i get dropouts to zero.
Set the Mixer 2.4Mhz to Channel 11 , and the Kimafun to Channel 1.
Tried it 4-5 rehearsals. 1 Time I had no problems the whole 2 hours, the other times I had to change to cable...dont know where it comes from 🥺
That’s the unfortunate thing with 2.4Ghz as well as with cheaper gear :/ I know it can be frustrating
Hey Scott, Got my new Shure QLDX and man did that thing have issues. Bad and long drop outs from 10ft away. I scanned and scanned again and again and something wasn't right. Once I took it out of service I tried to scan again and it kept saying error. I'm not as deep as your are with tech details but I have been doing sound for bands for over 30 years so I kinda know my way around. Sweetwater as always is all over it but still doing intro of the wedding party and Bride and Groom I was not a happy camper. When the TX was off I could see the RX was picking up something and no matter what I din't I couldn't find an completely free channel. Maybe I got a bad one
You definitely got a bad one, the QLXD is an extremely reliable system.
@@ScottUhlMusic Thanks Scott as that's what I was thinking too. Sweetwater has already express shipped a new one,
You were talking about the sound guy not wanting to scan. I worked with a bass player that absolutely unequivocally refused to tune down. Not sure if he didn’t know how or what. He refused. He woild always ask me what mghz I wanted him to go to he refused to acknowledge notes. I was like E flat dude half step. It was the weirdest thing I have ever been involved in to this point. Lol
lol that’s really bizarre hahahaha
#3 is a biggie. The old cheap, fast, good pick two often applies.
Also with the cheapest stuff, buy all the same brand so the few you use, you'll at least know they'll work together.
It’s the one I see happening most!
if I use wireless in my home enviroment, and choose a cheaper transmitter, will i have a reduction in quality our will it sound the same but just have less options of grouping etc?
Some cheaper stuff will have audio loss, but it depends. I would watch this video: ua-cam.com/video/xRmmgrQoHZU/v-deo.html
@@ScottUhlMusic 🙏
@@ScottUhlMusic ok so the Thing is, i got the Shure SM58 Slx2 for really Cheap. For my Home Setup i wouldnt really wann to spend 200€ for the Original Transmitter cause I dont Use Any other wireless stuff. Only bought the shure wireless because i got it so cheap.
So now i am searching for a cheap Transmitter Thats got good Sound. Dont Need much more than that because i just Record at home.
@@maltematu9742 You mean a receiver right? You already have the mic/transmitter. I would look on Reverb or Ebay.
I’m so guilty of #1.
I was guilty of all the other ones 😅
My antennas are in the back of the rack, and I’ve played many gigs without it being an issue. Just depends on how big of a stage you’re on. Anything House of Blues stage size or smaller, it shouldn’t be an issue.
Your wireless CAN still work with that… but it’s definitely just upping your chances that it won’t work. Line of sight is always best
Thanks for sharing. Gives me some hope. Lol. I want to add a guitar wireless and an iem wireless to my rack. I reserved 1U space for both to sit sode by side. Antennas will be in the back. I don’t think I can bring them to the front. I wish they put the antennas on the front. Very frustrating
I run audio video at my church, and I'm guilty of misunderstanding Shure wireless system bands, specifically when I bought extra wireless mics. I bought the Shure BLX tabletop style in J11, then the next in H10, third H9. They still work together without interference, but I should have stuck with the band their website indicates via search had the most available frequencies.
Getting the PG58 mic version wasn't the best decision. Wireless SM58 minimum folks.
I do know how to scan for open frequencies, and actually do it. I would have fixed the frequency for that other church sound guy, he could just have given me the money he was willing to throw away.
My old lavaliere 3rd gen Audio Technica 3000 still works decent, and it scans like my BLX and new Sennheiser XSW-2 865 A handheld condenser mic.
My worst wireless was about 4 years ago, a Samson VHF. Even 20 foot transmission was static filled, moving caused signal to drop, I needed 50 foot wireless to the mixer.
Yeah man, we all learn from our mistakes! I wouldn’t be able to make this channel if I hadn’t made those mistakes myself!
I have 6 mics...all set to different groups and different channels. I have 3 receivers with 2 mics on each...I'm realizing after watching ur video it's actually 2 mics combined in one unit 3 times. But one is set to A1 and A2, the next receiver on G1 and G3...and so on and so forth. So ur saying I need to scan to find which group has the most available frequencies and set them all to that group but on different channels?? So maybe they all need to be set to the A group on 3 different receivers but just on different channels...
If you wireless are all in the same frequency band, then yes, you want to do that. But you have “3 receivers with 2 mics on each”…. You cannot have two wireless mics going to the same receiver on the same frequency. That will not work