It's so weird, I've never listened to a piece of music or looked at some art and asked "why'd they do that and not this?" yet I will agonize over every little piece of my own work to the point I think it's turned into absolute garbage and it's then abandoned and unfinished and I just move onto the next thing (which will also ultimately be abandoned)...Got myself conditioned into quite the shit workflow! 😛 The videos of artists I watch and enjoy the most are those who have no problems coming up with and committing to an idea and sticking with it and moving onto the next thing. I think that's why I absolutely love and respect sample based musicians because when you sample something you're committing to the sound and idea as it stands. Can't go back and tweak the synth patch for 3 hours after... Great video, thanks for sharing with us!
It's always interesting to see how other people struggle and manage to finish songs. I'd say it's closer to being one of your best videos than one of your worst.
it is as well a really great example how cool ableton works when it comes to trying out different ideas really fast. to prearrange record stuff is a major timesaver.
I'd genuinely like to see more of these on a regular basis. Once a month maybe? I found this super motivating. Will be going through my folder of half good ideas tonight to just get something "finished"
Exactly the video I needed today. Worked for a couple hours on a track I'm really enjoying but was unsure about finishing, but your advice at the end of this video was exactly what I needed to hear right now. So many videos on youtube cover this topic in different ways but this has really resonated. Thanks mr rush!
I truly enjoy - and gain a lot from - seeing how other musicians approach their workflows, from sound design (which seems popular to talk about on UA-cam) to arranging and refining. Thank you for sharing this! I hope it was enjoyable to make, both song and video! I would gladly watch more of this style of video if it was something you were interested in doing. I'm also a fan of long-form content these days. Most videos I watch regularly are 20 minutes to 2 hours. I think more people are growing interested in longer-form content these days too, even if it will always be a smaller crowd than the 10-minutes-is-too-long crowd. But we don't want them around any, am I right? Right? ... guys? Anyway, cheers for the great video!
In my opinion a music piece is „done“ by the time someone is willing to listen and „groove“ to it for a desired time period. I see the pressing need to „perfect“ a tune (or any work of art whatsoever) more or less as a defensive action against self-doubt on one side and the curiousness of a „but could there be more?“ on the other. In the end music, or musical experience in general, works in many different ways and the ability to „fully“ appreciate a piece is limited anyway. I mean people have been vibing to music / sound for a reaaaaally long time, and the idea of a „finished product“ has been fairly new considering this macro-perspective. We should all just care less about perfecting end-products :^) Anyway great video as always Ned, love the recent output!
Although the technical info about Ableton and sound design, that are given on your videos, are unquestionably the main topic, i think that the in between hints are very valuable. e.g. 43:00 Thank you Ned Rush, keep creating, we 're waiting!
Yea i think you only want like 3 or 4 elements really changing or being prominent at a time, but I don't think you really have to shut an instrumental part/track up completely per se. Can also bring it to the background with idk EQing mixing and effects. I think it really depends on the sort of sound you are dealing with, some sounds are way more attention demanding and/or tiring to the ear than others so maybe not everything is quite that suited to soothe or bring to the background or it may just take more creativity or inventiveness to change the character of the sound enough, modulate it, to tame it. Thnx for the vid, interesting!
"Art is never finished, only abandoned" - I believe that quote is attributed to Leonardo da Vinci, although I've seen its credits range from going to George Lukas till Abraham Lincoln. But I think old Leo predates all of them, so that must be the original one. Regardless, I find it very true.
hey man i love long format videos. you could easily sneak in some 2h+ videos in. i think that short term attention trend is dying slowly anyways. people realize how bad for them it can be and how it is sometimes needed to not skip details for the sake of time. to die is unpredictable anyway. so why not learn stuff the proper way. i don't shit on people who prefer short videos. it has it's place and time too. but i think it is a waste for some topics or ideas to just expect to pull it off in just 15 minutes. i think people are tired about trying to tell a good story in about 2 minutes instead of 1h. I like short and long videos. But the long ones are hella underrated.
Thanks a lot for sharing this process Ned, it's inspiring. I'm still experimenting ways to record from scene to arrangement, and from midi to audio, incorporatinging fx ... I Just finished a sort of jungle track, inspired by your "lager rinse repeat" album, and it passes the cringe test, plus as you mentioned, though i don't have yet a lot of hindsight, i already feel like it built itself through me, as a vessel ! Anyway, this video is as always very instructive and funny ! - just tolerate it - nice motto. Cheers
It’s funny because I’m watching you do this and thinking “well, I wouldn’t have done that” or “such and such sound could really by like this”… and when I sit down and work on my own music, I stare at it like it’s in another language, and I can’t come out of that unless it’s in a different context, like listening while boiling an egg for instance.
What you're doing is using an analogy, To Get a point across so there is more chance it's easeir to understand for a broader range of people, offering a different perspective of how to think of your structure in order to give you a template in the back of your mind, if you think of it like a little movie script and things represent characters, then it's likely to push the arrangement to follow some more structured form of arrangment much like a scene in a movie or in a game for instance, i think games are a better example because they rely heavily on creating scenic music to convey atmosphere and the music has it's own narrative that carries the imagery right
It's so weird, I've never listened to a piece of music or looked at some art and asked "why'd they do that and not this?" yet I will agonize over every little piece of my own work to the point I think it's turned into absolute garbage and it's then abandoned and unfinished and I just move onto the next thing (which will also ultimately be abandoned)...Got myself conditioned into quite the shit workflow! 😛 The videos of artists I watch and enjoy the most are those who have no problems coming up with and committing to an idea and sticking with it and moving onto the next thing. I think that's why I absolutely love and respect sample based musicians because when you sample something you're committing to the sound and idea as it stands. Can't go back and tweak the synth patch for 3 hours after... Great video, thanks for sharing with us!
It's always interesting to see how other people struggle and manage to finish songs. I'd say it's closer to being one of your best videos than one of your worst.
it is as well a really great example how cool ableton works when it comes to trying out different ideas really fast. to prearrange record stuff is a major timesaver.
This is brilliant. I have hundreds of 4 bar loops. I get it now.
I'd genuinely like to see more of these on a regular basis. Once a month maybe? I found this super motivating. Will be going through my folder of half good ideas tonight to just get something "finished"
Would be nice to see a video about electro basslines a la drexcyia dynarec etc.
@10:30 you’re literally using the session view like a tracker! It’s brilliant! I would never have thought to have done this. Thanks ed!
Exactly the video I needed today. Worked for a couple hours on a track I'm really enjoying but was unsure about finishing, but your advice at the end of this video was exactly what I needed to hear right now. So many videos on youtube cover this topic in different ways but this has really resonated. Thanks mr rush!
The way you use Ableton's infrastructure is inspiring! Giving me ideas, thanks:)
Such a massive help. Can't thank you enough for this ned!
I truly enjoy - and gain a lot from - seeing how other musicians approach their workflows, from sound design (which seems popular to talk about on UA-cam) to arranging and refining. Thank you for sharing this! I hope it was enjoyable to make, both song and video! I would gladly watch more of this style of video if it was something you were interested in doing.
I'm also a fan of long-form content these days. Most videos I watch regularly are 20 minutes to 2 hours. I think more people are growing interested in longer-form content these days too, even if it will always be a smaller crowd than the 10-minutes-is-too-long crowd. But we don't want them around any, am I right? Right? ... guys?
Anyway, cheers for the great video!
In my opinion a music piece is „done“ by the time someone is willing to listen and „groove“ to it for a desired time period. I see the pressing need to „perfect“ a tune (or any work of art whatsoever) more or less as a defensive action against self-doubt on one side and the curiousness of a „but could there be more?“ on the other. In the end music, or musical experience in general, works in many different ways and the ability to „fully“ appreciate a piece is limited anyway. I mean people have been vibing to music / sound for a reaaaaally long time, and the idea of a „finished product“ has been fairly new considering this macro-perspective. We should all just care less about perfecting end-products :^) Anyway great video as always Ned, love the recent output!
Well said!
Although the technical info about Ableton and sound design, that are given on your videos, are unquestionably the main topic, i think that the in between hints are very valuable. e.g. 43:00
Thank you Ned Rush, keep creating, we 're waiting!
Really good video and I can relate to everything you said at the end. I like your music to boil eggs to.
A perfect song to boil an egg to. Really enjoyed it🥚
Ok follow actions to spaff out arrangement ideas is total genius, I spend so long doing this. Thanks for this
Thanks Nedge
Yea i think you only want like 3 or 4 elements really changing or being prominent at a time, but I don't think you really have to shut an instrumental part/track up completely per se. Can also bring it to the background with idk EQing mixing and effects. I think it really depends on the sort of sound you are dealing with, some sounds are way more attention demanding and/or tiring to the ear than others so maybe not everything is quite that suited to soothe or bring to the background or it may just take more creativity or inventiveness to change the character of the sound enough, modulate it, to tame it. Thnx for the vid, interesting!
I agree.
"Art is never finished, only abandoned" - I believe that quote is attributed to Leonardo da Vinci, although I've seen its credits range from going to George Lukas till Abraham Lincoln. But I think old Leo predates all of them, so that must be the original one. Regardless, I find it very true.
This is exquisite, sir!
Beautiful video
Nobody can tell you how to be the best Ned !!
hey man i love long format videos. you could easily sneak in some 2h+ videos in. i think that short term attention trend is dying slowly anyways. people realize how bad for them it can be and how it is sometimes needed to not skip details for the sake of time. to die is unpredictable anyway. so why not learn stuff the proper way. i don't shit on people who prefer short videos. it has it's place and time too. but i think it is a waste for some topics or ideas to just expect to pull it off in just 15 minutes. i think people are tired about trying to tell a good story in about 2 minutes instead of 1h. I like short and long videos. But the long ones are hella underrated.
Thanks a lot for sharing this process Ned, it's inspiring. I'm still experimenting ways to record from scene to arrangement, and from midi to audio, incorporatinging fx ... I Just finished a sort of jungle track, inspired by your "lager rinse repeat" album, and it passes the cringe test, plus as you mentioned, though i don't have yet a lot of hindsight, i already feel like it built itself through me, as a vessel ! Anyway, this video is as always very instructive and funny ! - just tolerate it - nice motto. Cheers
Great lesson, i have lots of those loops to bake into songs. i will now i promise..thanks!
exactly the video i needed to see. Thanks Ned.
It’s funny because I’m watching you do this and thinking “well, I wouldn’t have done that” or “such and such sound could really by like this”… and when I sit down and work on my own music, I stare at it like it’s in another language, and I can’t come out of that unless it’s in a different context, like listening while boiling an egg for instance.
Thanks Ned! This is super helpful!!🎛🔊🦾
great vid mate, still loving from the shadows
This is exactly the same vibe of afx's newest album
the song is finished when the aim goals where targeted and completed and left in an interesting place
It's weird, I can't finish a song in Ableton, I have to use another DAW.
What you're doing is using an analogy, To Get a point across so there is more chance it's easeir to understand for a broader range of people, offering a different perspective of how to think of your structure in order to give you a template in the back of your mind, if you think of it like a little movie script and things represent characters, then it's likely to push the arrangement to follow some more structured form of arrangment much like a scene in a movie or in a game for instance, i think games are a better example because they rely heavily on creating scenic music to convey atmosphere and the music has it's own narrative that carries the imagery right
14:00 onwards
16:12 "Oh these have low probability, oh yes they have, that's probably for the best!"
Tell me you're into idm without telling me you're Ned Rush...
I've never thought about boiling an egg before. How does one do it?
When the song is okay enough, it's finished 🙂
Tussy.
Crazy
the buzz words in ableton are : Roar and Meld as they yould be a miracle....But They are not.
42:28 🤣
❤❤
The bass in your voice is a little high, would be nice to lower that a bit :P - minor nitpick. Thanks for content!
Im getting Richard vibes ill say no more
Can you make a cool tutoriawl to teach us how to make nasty harmonic wobbles and grgrgr krew bleeps bloops wowowos ? that'd be great
Hello 2007. I’ll have a think about it.
Do you use the Push 3 much? Haven’t seen you use it on here for ages.
I will soon. Stay tuned.
mark twain: it is easy to quit smoking - I do it 60 times a day...
me: it is easy to make music - I start a new song every time I start Live...
omg, you're still saying 'ex cetera'... c'mon Ned, it's ET cetera. love ya buddy. cheers.
No. It’s egg setra.
Youre not a professional musician?? UNSUBED