How To Pump a Hydrofoil
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2020
- Learn how to pump a hydrofoil to help you stay in the wave, get back to the foil surfing lineup, wake foil on a variety of different waves, catch the 'Jesus' wave left over from other boats, and strengthen your over all foilboard skills.
In this video we will show you how to pump a hydrofoil with a variety of drills behind the boat. We'll show you progressively more challenging drills that will make you better on foil and open up your overall wakesurf and ocean foil surf possibilities.
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You guys did a really great job of breaking this down and showing the progression. Thanks so much for your time putting this together!
You Bet Joe - glad it helped. Wait until your next pump video comes out -- should be about 7 days -- you'll want to check that out!
Cheers,
Tim
Excellent presentation, bros! Very well done and well spoken, clear and precise! Thanks for sharing the fine details of riding high and swinging the arms forward. I'm very new to wing sup-surfing and I just recently got the special screws and t-nuts to attach my 84cm Ride Engine Foil, so I'll watch this highly informative video many times!
So glad to hear that it helped. Please don't hesitate with any follow up questions.
Awesome job boys! Making it look easy.
Thanks Zon! Can't wait to see you ripping up the east channel!
Throwing your arms forward makes total sense. Gotta work on that! Can I get an armstrong qoute too so my wife doesnt have to hear how much they cost when we ride Saturday. Cant wait! 🤙
I'm thinking an 1850 Foil Kit is EXACTLY what you need! We'll have it ready.
Thank you so much!
Glad it was helpful to you - get out there and pump, pump, pump!
Best,
Tim & Johnny
Awesome! Thanks guys!
Thanks Carter! Happy pumping -- get out there and kill it!
Good tip on what to do with the ams - in front.
The arms are key - forward motion.
Purposely pumping! Go figure. Pump us up, Tim. Great video!
Thank you Steve! Can't wait to see you pumping across the lake.
holy crap i just foil surfed with this guy two days ago on maui
Hi Taylor -- that would be Johnny....sometimes referred to as Flounder Pounder. Great guy - hopefully you two had a good session. His home break is Guardrails. Hopefully you've subscribed to our channel and follow us on Instagram @halflifet.5
Cheers!
Tim
Not sure if anyone gives a damn but if you guys are stoned like me during the covid times then you can watch pretty much all the new series on instaflixxer. I've been watching with my brother recently xD
@Graysen Konnor Yea, been using instaflixxer for since november myself =)
Fly it high...all will be un locked...so true. Johnny, that beard...record!
Fear the BEARD! That thing just keeps on growing. How long should it he let go? :-)
This was very helpful. I’m digging your channel! Much love from the Great Lakes 🤙🏼😎
right on! We really want to get some time on the Great Lakes. We'll be in Wisconsin at the end of August.
Cheers,
Tim
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO come to Lake Erie in Ohio. I’ve got the boat and jetskis. We’ll show you that Midwest style 🤙🏼
Great video, psyched to try some new foot positions, and wake transfers
Hey Matt! Awesome. Don't hesitate with any questions. Also - we do Zoom lessons so if you have any issues at all, film it, and we'll get you dialed in!
I’ll tag you on my best foil post on fb. How do I find you on FB?
Hi Matt - maybe you can email me at halflifet.5@gmail.com
You can find us on Facebook and Instagram @halflifet.5
You guys are the FKin best. Thanks for the stoke.
Thank you Vinh! Can't wait to get out there on the foil with you again.
HALF-LIFE sweet. I need to get some price quotes for some Armstrong toys as well.
Nice - we'll get you dialed on all the Armstrong gear you need! I'll email you shortly. Thanks Vinh.
Hey Guys, awesome stuff!! Really great content. Would you be up for putting together a video on the effect of mast position on the board, and how it affects foot position, ability to pump, wake surf, etc??
Hi MM15 -- we actually did. Check this out and lmk if you have additional questions. ua-cam.com/video/8Oo0VnAtzSE/v-deo.html
I want to add one item to your list. "down winding" pumping is essential.
Hi Tor - great idea. I plan to be in Maui mid November and will get this taken care of there. Appreciate the feedback and thank you for checking out the video. Hopefully you subscribed to our channel and follow us on Instagram @halflifet.5
cheers!
Tim
Thanks for the video! Best I've found on this by far. I still can't fully understand what the weight transfer looks like. Is the rhythm throwing your weight forward and then back? Do you need more weight on the forward part or the back part to keep the foil up high?
Thank you Ethan -- hopefully those drills help you out. Be sure to follow us on Instagram @halflifet.5 to see more around pumping and pumping scenarios.
The foot movement is really like a skateboard ollie. Ultimately you want your weight going forward and centered over the foil at the same time. The shifting of balance between front/back is to help you maintain speed. It's hard to capture in words - practice on your first wave per the video. If you like, shoot us a video at halflifet.5@gmail.com and we'll take a look. We also do video Zoom lessons for $50/half hour if you want to do a deep dive.
Great video! Can you please make a speziell video for coming out of the water, the start...i have a slingshot Alien air 2020 with Gong foil and i can t get on the board behind a boat, thank you
Hi There! We already have one :-) Here is the playlist for all things 'how to wakefoil' -- ua-cam.com/play/PLX8JNpzm5TVstDxHuWvSRyza-2_HtVmZG.html
And here is the specifics around getting up: ua-cam.com/video/OMkCGHFs6Dc/v-deo.html
I HIGHLY recommend that your driver watch this video. Believe it or not, when starting out behind the boat, the driver is absolutely key. ua-cam.com/video/nX6KnJiMUuA/v-deo.html
Lastly - we do Zoom/Facetime lessons so if you don't solve it with the videos above shoot some footage of your attempts, we'll do a zoom/facetime lesson and get you DIALED for the stoke!
Awesome video. Thanks!
I am looking at the 5'11 Armstrong SUP + CF2400 for foilsurfing and wingfoil, but will this board be too long to learn pumping? At what length of the board will the nose touch too easily?
Hi Sven - you may want to go with an 1850 for wing foil. Regardless of the mix you decide on, we can place the order for you and we would appreciate your business.
I'm also looking at the 511 for wing foiling and SUP. How much do you weigh?
You can learn to pump on all sizes of boards, however, I've found it's easiest for folks to learn behind a boat on a board ranging from 3'11" to 5'. That said - when you're on foil winging, there will be natural points of pumping to get through lulls and you'll develop that feel with time on water. Going behind a boat is that fastest way to climb that curve.
Please email me at halflifet.5@gmail.com and we'll get you dialed on gear and can have a call (if you'd like) to talk about pumping trade offs.
BTW - thank you for checking out our video. Hopefully you subscribed and follow us on Instagram @halflifet.5
Best,
Tim
These guys will hook it up! Buy from them. Half Life is the best!
I notice your setup has the mast well behind the front wing. I have a Futura H2 (Gamma 68) and have the assembly option of ‘A’, the mast pretty well inline with the front wing, or ‘B’, the mast behind the front wing like yours. This changes the position of your feet on the board obviously and wonder what you recommend. I’m on a slingshot WF-2 board. Thanks for your reply and for the great videos!!
If you move the mast to the B slot it essentially moves your foil forward providing more lift. Depending upon your weight and foiling experience - that may be the right answer for you. The better the balance - the easier it is to pump.
Cheers,
tim
Amazing stuff as always guys. You really helped me so much to come a long way in my 1 season of foiling behind my tournament ski boat.
Now, I'm thinking about buying the Ride Engine Moon Buddy 6' board with the 84 cm Infinity wing on it. Do you guys think this would work for SUP pirating waves of normal sized ski boats? I'm 200 lbs and I'm already a strong paddler.
interesting! I'm not sure. a typical wake surf boat will be moving along at 11mph. It can be tough to get up that speed to be able to hold that wave as it passes by. Have you thought about instead -- leveraging your tournament ski boat to 'sling' you into other waves of boats with better wake ballast systems?
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO Yes but taking the boat out requires time, fuel and other drivers. I live lakeside and can walk out my door and go for an easy paddle anytime so figuring out a way to tap into boats passing by would be amazing. I already do it on my big SUP but foil would be next level.
Got it! Well....it's tough to say. It is so paddler dependent. For example you can see @davekalama paddle into basically anything on most all setups while other people may struggle to do so. If I didn't have any boat power assist and had to dock start OR paddle start - I'd likely look more to a high aspect wing. Give it a try with your 84cm and if it works - then awesome! If it doesn't, I'd try to borrow a buddy's Axis high aspect wing. Those wings are great for flat water which will help you get up on foil, they just aren't as responsive on the wave face.....but you have to get to the wave face before you experience it! I think it's going to be tough on the 84cm but look forward to hearing how it goes for you.
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO Thanks for the great feedback. Seems like I should maybe just save my money and upgrade to the 84 wing without getting the entire SUP/Moonbuddy package but damn the value on it is tempting if it actually works.
Side note, I'm a long time river surfer and this summer I'll be trying to incorporate my foil into the mix. Should be interesting one way or another. I'll send you guys some video if it works out!
Carson -- that would be SICK -- I've got to see the foil at work on the river. Hopefully it's deep enough or you may need to go ~60cm mast.
what are the essential characteristics of a good pumping hydrofoil wing? looking for specifics in the top/bottom contours and wing tips.
Hey James! For a pumping wing you're typically looking for a relatively higher aspect wing. What waterway will you be pumping (ocean, lake, dock start vs. behind boat)? Once you send that to me I can share some recommendations for models to look at. You'll be able to look across those to see the visual difference as well as compare the dimensions.
What set up is the big guy riding? Great video by the way.
Thanks Clark for checking out the video -- when you say big guy - which guy do you mean?
tim
Hi this is an awesome vid, would you be able to dockstart a Moses t40?
likely not -- you want a little more glide and slower stall speed.
Cheers,
Tim
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO Thanks for your advise
Excellent! That Jesus wave thing is on my short list. I have an Armstrong 2400cm sq. will that pump well? I am on lake Ontario (great lakes) and should usually be in water like yours. Sounds like you think my fishing boat (14 foot aluminum) with Electric motor can get me going, true? Excellent video!
Hi Jonathan -- yep -- that 2400 is a beast and should get you going. Ultimately you'll enjoy the carving and performance of the HS1850 much more. It's faster and turns more quickly. When you're ready shoot us an email at halflifet.5@gmail.com and we'll talk you through the tradeoffs and which next foil you should buy.
Riding the Jesus wave is the best way to get prepared for downwinders!
Cheers,
Tim
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO thank you. I will do that. Noobs need the support! I appreciate it.
Also / quick question - I’m 6 foot 2 /
Long leg skinny dude (good looking of course) - I’ve ridden the Armstrong 4 11 and 5 5.5 - I rode longer no rope on the 4 11 - would you go with the longer or shorter board? I want to have fun as top priority but don’t want to have too much board hold me back. Thanks for your opinion.
Hi Kurt - I have no doubt that you're quite the handsome dude! :-)
Between the two boards above I'd recommend the 411. A shorter board gives you less perceived and real swing weight. So long as you can move your back foot to the leading edge of the mast while having a comfortable stance to pump you'll love it. Depending upon your comfort with the 411 I may even recommend that you try the SKT455. The beauty of these Armstrong boards is their construction with 8 layers of carbon sandwiched and running from the back foot bed to the front. These boards continue to be best of industry in all the riding on various carbon boards we've done. You can't go wrong. That said - I think the 311 could be a bit on the short side for you although I had a rider out on the 311 3 days ago and he loved it (he is skinny - 6'2" - email me and I can send you the video of his ride). email: halflifet.5@gmail.com
Please feel free to reach out with any questions. Email me and if you'd like to have a call we'll make it happen. I would really appreciate it if you bought your Armstrong gear through Half-Life. We'll take good care of you AND we'll throw in a free Zoom lesson. We've had great success with the Zoom lessons we've done so far.
All the best,
Tim
Nice video! Have any suggestions for catching a wave behind a non-ski boat, just a regular outboard?
Hi Burke -- For sure. Suggestion 1 - Stay clear of the prop :-)
All kidding aside - check out this video of us wakefoiling in Alaska: ua-cam.com/video/GLiY5CH5fI4/v-deo.html
It's behind a small dinghy with an outboard. If you're dealing with a larger boat with an outboard please let us know. Here's our tips:
1) It's all about the second wake
2) Play with rope length to get to the steepest part of the wave
3) Play with your speed from everywhere from 7mph-12mph. Maximize the center (right behind the boat) hump. That will tell you when your 2nd wave is as big as it will get.
4) Be hyper focused on the back corner of the boat. As with our advice in this video: ua-cam.com/video/pyWJf_3wjD0/v-deo.html Identify the bubble line and use that as your visual guide.
If this doesn't work, we do Zoom/Facetime lessons for folks outside of the Seattle area. Shoot some video of your attempts, we'll do a face to face call, diagnose what's going on, and get you foiling like a champ.
What foil are you riding?
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO Thanks for the tips! I am behind a 20 ft Keywest, deep V hull, with a 150 Yamaha. On the Great Lakes, so it is often choppy. Riding a Slingshot Gamma 68cm wing with a 90cm mast.
What a cool boat! What is your weight?
With that boat, 2nd wave riding is going to be tough on the 68cm unless you're quite slight. Even then I'd recommend adding a bigger wing to your quiver. I may adjust this when I hear back on weight but I'd suggest that you add a Hover Glide 84cm to the quiver - OR - go with an Armstrong 1850 for the ultimate small wave machine. We sell them both and can hook you up.
How is the 90cm mast working for you? Normally I'd suggest starting with a 46cm but if you're good on the 90cm and you're on a small wave, I'd likely recommend the 71cm or 61cm with your 84cm.
I love the 68cm but typically will ride that on the first wave and rip the second wave with the 84cm.
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO I am about 165 lbs. I started on the 61cm mast, but I am happy with the extra height of the 90cm keeping me out of the chop. I am wondering what it should feel like inside the wave. I have noticed I can really feel the turbulence on the foil when I am near the wake making it less stable and more twitchy, but it doesn't seem to propel me and slack the line. The bigger wing could make that difference I guess?
Yes - for sure. You'll feel a bit of turbulence any time you're in the prop wash or direct 'white' of the wave. Turbulence (or perceived turbulence) goes down the more aggressively you ride the foil so if you're cutting etc you'll feel less of it. Are you currently on a long line going for the second wave? or short line going for the first? Bigger wing will glide better but you'll have to be on the wave (not inside of the wake) to get the push. Make sense?
Do you recommend a beginner foil and board? I'm from northeast Indiana and we have lakes within an hours drive and my parents have a good sized pond ~ 2 acres. Would really like to learn how to pump foil around it because from your video it looks wicked! Just not sure where to buy one and what would best suit my needs if I want to primarily be pumping?
Hi Gavin - thanks so much for checking out our video. We'd really appreciate it if you subscribe and follow us on Instagram @halflifet.5
We are dealers for Slingshot and Armstrong. While I'd love to sell you one of those foil kits......for a flat water - maybe pump off a floating dock (as opposed to boat or wing), I think I would go with a high aspect Axis. Normally, I love the Armstrong 1850 for pumping and winging but that's with some level of power source. If you don't have a boat to get you going - I'd steer you towards Axis.
If it turns out you have a boat I'd recommend Slingshot to get going. A 99cm or 84cm in your scenario would be the closest fit.
I’m from LaGrange County, IN so know what you’re dealing with. Axis 1150 with 460 rear wing and the longest non-windsurfing fuse is probably the best rig out right now for what you want to do. However, it’s one of the most difficult rigs to learn on. Maybe try to get some boat time with a used LF / SS rig first if you can.
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO that was an incredibly honest response from a dealer of a different brand. You guys rock.
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO what do you think of the Armstrong 1125 vs axis 1150 for pumping?
Hey Half-Life crew! Quick question: I have a slingshot wf-1 board with a gamma 68 & 42 rear with a 71 cm mast, I have tried pumping and pirating other boats wakes but it never seems to work. BTW I'm 6ft 1 at 175 and I only have access to a seadoo wake pro 230. I'm wondering if I just need a bigger front wing.
Hi Mark -- While all wings can pump.....some are much easier than others. The 68cm is a bit tough for pumping and stealing waves. It isn't the greatest pumping wing. If you stay in the slingshot family - the 84cm will give you a lot more 'carry' and glide.
For stealing waves - I'd hold onto the rope and 'sling' yourself into your target wave. With appropriate speed to your glide - you'll get there (do so at your own discretion - it can be dangerous). Assuming you know how to wake foil the 3rd/4th/5th wave you should be fine....however...the 68cm is hard after the 2nd. The 84cm will be easier.
We prefer the Armstrong Foils for pumping. They retain a wave characteristic (e.g. 1850) but are high aspect inspired so they pump well without giving up too much of the wave feel. You may want to consider a Armstrong setup for the upcoming holidays! We can order/sell you the perfect setup btw (we can also order the 84cm if you decide to stay Slingshot). Feel free to email us at halflifet.5@gmail.com
Best,
Tim
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO thank you for the info Tim!
With the beard, are you the dude I met in Maui at guard rails ?
Hey Gustavo -- For sure. Johnny is out there on a daily basis. I'm sure it was him!
Tim
Any experience pumping the hs1850 O degree shim vs +1 degree shim?
Hi Greg -- We've only pumped the 1850 with the 0 degree shim (and it rocks). We'll try out the +1 and let you know what we find. If you beat us to it, please let us know.
In case you're not a subscriber to our UA-cam channel yet.....you can also follow us on Instagram @halflifet.5 We typically do shorter videos there like shim 0 vs. shim +1
In all honesty what is the learning curve for flat water hydrofoiling, especially for a town full of men and women who have never surfed or SUP’d, (I being one of them) but are hungry for learning something new and cool? Is it something I could feasibly learn within a year and then teach to others? I think people generally perceive foiling as an expensive, out of reach sport that is nigh impossible to pick up (some comparing it to trying to balance on a bowling ball covered with grease) but if I were able to learn how to do it I bet I could teach others and grow an excitement for it in the resort town I live in and may even be able to start a foil renting business here.
Hi Ricky -- well.....I can tell you that I have no chance of standing on a greased bowling ball but I can foil :-)
It is true - foiling is an expensive sport. You can be a runner for the price of sneakers whereas a decent foil setup is going to run you $2k before you get into what boat is pulling you, fuel, etc. The learning curve varies. I've had folks come out with us who have never wake surfed, wake boarded, or SUP'd before that have progressed well. I've had others that struggled to learn to wake surf. Like anything in life, to get better you need to put the time in. If I wasn't taking into consideration cost, I'd actually put your town onto an eFoil. They are easy to ride and have a relative flat learning curve. You don't need a boat and a flat water lake would be a hoot. Check out our fliteboard video: ua-cam.com/video/9ma5vS_R57k/v-deo.html
Learning to foil really requires a great boat driver with a lot of foiling knowledge - that will make or break the experience. With a good driver/instructor combination, it's reasonable to assume you'll take flight in your first lesson (with rope in hand). You'll get the chance to drop the rope within your first 5 sessions.
The good news is that the progression is a TON of fun. It's addictive and once you take flight on a foil, there's no going back.
Please subscribe to our UA-cam channel if you haven't and follow us on Instagram @halflifet.5
Let us know if you have any questions. Good luck and definitely bring the foiling stoke to your town!
Tim
I’m about 4-5 months into prone surf foiling- been kiting on the foil for a year before that
I can surf the foil and kite with it pretty well
But pumping continues to elude me- I have 5 different Arm wings including the HA 925. And the mid aspect 1550-the V2
While I can feel the dramatic difference in glide, and I’m gliding longer- it’s not bc I’m improving pumping and it’s all due to the wing
Am I behind the curve? I don’t have access to a boat- so I only can practice while surfing- at 10-15 waves a session- that’s not a lot of practice
I guess I could work on it while kiting- but the kite pull confuses the issue a bit
Do I just suck?
Is there a wing set up you would recommend for learning? Including tail, fuse and mast?
I have the 72 cm arm mast with both stock and shorter fuses
The 225 and stock tail wing and the KD tail wing
1050, 1200, 1550 original, V2 and the 925 HA
Any combo you would rec?
Hey Bryson,
You certainly don't suck! You're killing it as a multi-discipline foiler. It takes a bit of work -- we do Zoom lessons. You send us some footage and we break it down for you. I think that's probably the best way to work through this. For prone - the 1550V2 is likely the most forgiving for pumping. Next closest in the HS family would be the 1250. In rib to shoulder waves go 1550V2, 60cm fuse, 232 tail. Exit the wave with speed, stay high, glide, then pump.
We can talk more through the pump specifics in a zoom lesson. Email us at halflifet.5@gmail.com
Cheers,
Tim
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO Thanks, I’ll get some footage for the zoom lesson.
What type of board is this? I’ve been Wakeboarding all my life and want to get into this. Is there a board I can pull behind behind a boat and do dock starts transitioning into self pumping?
Thanks
Hi Zachary -- give us a call at (909) 698-0401 and we'll get you 100% dialed. We got you bro!
Cheers,
Tim
Which Armstrong setup did John use in this video.
Hi Richard -- it's what is now called the 1550V1 front wing, 60cm fuselage, and 232 tail wing. A year later, we've changed it up a bit. Drop us a note halflifet.5@gmail.com or give us a call (909) 698-0401 if you want to talk about our latest favorite setups.
Cheers,
Tim
How would you compare that Slingshot 4.5 top the equivalent Armstrong?
Hi Gray - are you referring to the Slingshot Slingwing 4.4?
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO slingshot WF1 4’6” foil board
Ah - got it! There's really no comparison in terms of performance between the Armstrong SKT311 all carbon board and the Slingshot WF-1. When it comes to pumping, gliding, and responsiveness stiffness is a critical attribute as is weight. Armstrong's 8 layer carbon sandwich stringer runs from back footbed to the front providing best in class responsiveness. To date, we haven't been able to match that performance with other boards - carbon or not.
The one advantage to the WF-1 is a single concave versus the Armstrong double concave but....we're talking a slight advantage that I only noticed upon first ride. I do like the single concave as it grips the foot nicely. We rode and enjoyed the WF-1 and the WF-2 for that matter for a long time with big smiles on our faces. There's a lot of good boards out there and it depends upon the rider preferences. For top performance - the SKT311 stands alone for now for wake foiling.
@@HALFLIFEVIDEO Awesome, thank you! I’m using the 411 and it’s a bit too long for wake I think right now. I’ll let you know if I decide to upgrade. That 311 looks pretty incredible!
The 311 is fantastic. That said your 411 has the same construction so it's all about a little less swing and length for you should you decide to add the 311 to your quiver.
What kind of wing do you use?
Hi There -- in this video we are using the Armstrong wing.
Cheers,
Tim
Which foil did You use un the video?
This was shot back on the 1550V1. Need recommendations? email us @halflifet.5@gmail.com
Best,
Tim
Does foil size matter?
Absolutely. Each foil pumps differently so you want to match the foil size to your weight and ability. You can always email us halflifet.5@gmail.com
Best
Tim
This is too much damn work it looks like
The more you do it, the easier it gets and the buttery wave rides make it all worth while!
Cheers,
Tim
bro dude
What's up Kashina -- Bro Dude back at you!
That’s way to much work , looks like fun until you run out of energy
It's a ton of fun but if you'd rather stay in the boats wake -- that's always an option. pumping just gives you flexibility to move between waves. hopefully you'll be able to get out there on the water and give it a try.
cheers,
Tim