Hey Majorkill, First up thankyou for shouting out the Patreon and the channel. Rest assured we are making a dramatic shift in strategy, we are cutting costs, and we are doing what we can to survive. We've made plenty of mistakes, but we are always trying to learn from them. There were a few assumptions in the video that weren't correct, such as the idea that the channel had 5 full time employees (it did not) - we would have happily cleared up those details if you'd asked. We have products in development, but physical miniatures is an interesting avenue we haven't explored. We definitely should! We do have a rather inconsistent channel facing right now, and this is due to our attempts to find some different avenues of content, such as talking, or reaction, but going forward we will be less scattershot in our approach. There is no doubt or question that Tabletop Time was built on optimism and enthusiasm, and while they may not be the most solid foundations for a wildly successful business, we would hope we live in a world where being optimistic or aspirational is not seen as laughable, even if it is perhaps a little naive. Its clear from the outpouring of love we have received that our videos have impacted many, and shared the love of what we do with many more - And we only hope to continue doing so in the future - It is not hopeless, the goals are not as far away as it feels in this video - The communities support has already gotten us a giant leap towards where we need to be, and from here we can hopefully survive long enough to solidify those other aspects of the business you discuss, products, other avenues of reach, shorts etc. *** EDIT - We've tried to reply to your reply multiple times, don't know what is going on - So we just wanted to add it in here - Absolutely fair - We got lost reading the comments and conflated multiple points people were saying with what you said, and it isnt accurate (and what was said in the comments was not the same as what you said, so we got mixed up there) - No need to discuss it further, we appreciate the spotlight and thats it - Thanks!
I have full confidence you guys will be able to push through! The passion is there and that is 80% of what it takes to succeed. As for my assumptions - 1:44 "The Three Hosts, a part time artist and editor, that's 5 employees, 3 of which would be on a full time salary" this information was taken directly from your video, with the three hosts going part time insinuating that they were previously full time. I never said you had 5 full time employees at any point. Let me know if I have missed anything or if any of my assumptions were wrong. *edit - if you guys wanna do a gnarly Space Bears physical launch let me know... we would make $$$
Just recently found your guys channel. You guys can pull it up!!! This is the new digital age, your voice can reach around the world. Love from AZ,USA.
I miss the days when people doing content about their hobbies didn't expect to make a living from it. The production quality isn't even that different... but people expect full time salaries for themselves and editors. The minigaming community is so fuckin generous that TabletopTime may even end up surviving off the back of that generosity. If they do, I hope they take that seriously and actually pump out good content at a good pace... but considering their roots, I doubt it.
When I was just randomly scrolling through the Internet I randomly clicked on the space bears video. I'm glad I did cause if I didn't I wouldn't have known what passion looked like from an artist view. I wish I could do something more other than subscribing. But I don't know how to do digital transactions.
I can't stress enough how you guys should NEVER tie your success to the success of game and social media companies. UA-cam can Thanos snap your career away at ANY TIME THEY WANT. So can Games Workshop. Try to cut away as many "middle men" as you possibly can.
Stories like this make me wonder how much of UA-camrs income stream was related to the impact of c0vid isolation and the disconnected feelings many folks had during those years.
Cannot stress what you said enough, i worked at big multi national company of which its distribution largely depended on "platforms". Even with our combined might, a platform "change of terms" or "change of remuneration rate" can undo half of annual budget, and risk having pipeline shut and some dozens staffer on chopping block. These modern platforms had the supplier on chokehold because the customer are mostly only there. Plus early internet era made people expect "free" content. All leaves the platform and advertiser with disparaty of power over all
"If your business only works when the sun is shining, then you're one storm away from getting turbo fucked." should be the first line on every bank loan application.
Replace TTT with FLGS and it helps explain why they so often fail so quickly, also “passionate about the game but know fuck-all about business” explains a lot too
I don't think "sun is shining" businesses are a bad idea, you just have to take them for what they are, something you do temporarily to get some cash then move on to the next idea when the storm hits.
@@samuelaylmer804 same, I'd never heard of them until I got that video recommended to me and I only remember it because I thought 'this is weird' when I saw it as a recommendation.
I've been watching them since Jazza started TTT, and I've also skipped my fair share of videos. It's not that it isn't entertaining, but as MajorKill said, they're all over the place. I would have liked to see the whole Sakura Tau army painted, or a full Space Bears army ( I watched all the SB content, that I honestly enjoyed), I loved the thunderhawk they made for SB. I think that instead of the mishmash of thumbnails they had, each artist should have had their own unique thumbnails, but that would also be a clear indicator of whose content isn't pulling in the views, since people would just not watch whoever's the flavour of the week I guess. They could have also worked with Shadiversity (Jazza's brother) for some of the theory & feasibility on some of the weapons, I think a lore tie-in would be awesome, but that would also give them the opportunity to make actual props, which could then be sold/ auctioned for additional income. They ran this as a hobby update channel, and less of a business, which ultimately cost them, as they didn't do it as hobbyists but as a job. Squidmar is similar, but each video has a very clear goal, and you know what you are in for when you click that thumbnail. They also spend more time talking about what/ why they like something, and less time on how to achieve that desired result... that's what kept me from becoming fully invested. PeteTheWargamer, Squidmar and AnotherDayMinitures have an amazing format, because they're painting tutorials first and foremost, and not just geeking out with random stuff.
Thanks for the shoutout! ;) I do agree though, running a UA-cam business is tough, and you 110% need several alternative revenue sources. It has been an interesting ride these last 17 years, with many ups and downs. I hope TTT figures it out, as it's always hard to see other content creators go. -Matthew
One thing about Miniwargaming is that they also have a physical location where you can meet the team and play with them. Not only that, they all have branching channels that feeds into the main one. That and more engagement with the community with narrative wargaming, giveaways and other things and it's little wonder why miniwargaming is so successful. I remember when they first started and the guy to beat was Jawaballs. Also, never rely on youtube for revenue, always have several other things going on.
YT as a sole source of income is long since dead when the first Adpocalypse hit. A lot of successful channels have learned you need to diversify your income streams if you want to keep continuing from a business perspective.
The team is also super likeable, and seems to care. I was at Niagara Falls and did a quick trip up to see the bunker. They were all awesome, and gave me a tour. I appreciated the hell out of that.
MWG also have most of their stuff behind a paywall off of UA-cam. They were Patreoning before Patreon was a thing, and it started as a channel promoting their brick and mortar hobby shop.
I don't really see how you can say Mini wargaming is hugely successful. Not too long ago they were posting videos begging for subscriptions for their paywall platform and giving massive discounts for it and basically saying they might need to downsize or shutdown all together. Now I believe this was before they released Ravaged Star and no doubt that Kickstarter was hugely successful but what is important now is how they will use those funds to keep the money machine churning and keep their heads above water...
People don’t understand its hard to get a business going and having staying power especially with youtube being so unpredictable. One month the algo is good to you and others its like a barren desert.
And then you get a video demonitised for no (or a silly) apparent reason, and have to wait ages to get an appeal heard from a real human. And of course there's the fake copyright strikes.....
yeah thats a red herring argument. consider that A. it is a nish topic and interest. B. they had pretty much a monopol of that particular interest. C they had enough subscribers to let it go on. what is most likely and more often the case they overrinvest probably stocks in something else that drained the cost. majority of buisnesses goes bankrupt more often because of their overspending on other stuffs that leaves their primary buisness at stake. you grow to fast and overspend that will more often cost your buisness when theres a shift in the economy. this has nothing to do with algorithmic issues, thats just false, when it comes to the so called copystrike or demonitising, also a false problem consider they had overall over a million subscribers which leaves plenty of advertisers and merch sales ongoing. YT primary income is merch. this likely was a bad buisness and advertisement practise on their part. consider you have many different options of revinew that counteracts the demonitise problem
How can you blame the algorithm. If they were a natural organism channel aka, some people part time making 2 or 3 videos a month to half their standard and with half as many views theyd be considered an up and coming success. Its fucked to pay 3 to 5 people full wages as a brand new youtube channel. Fun experiment for jazza, shit business idea.
This is honestly one the real reasons I like your channel. You're a business mixed with a hobby and you're very up front about how things are. You take the time to help us understand your pov and the ins/outs of what you deal with instead of just arbitrarily blaming stuff.
+1 to that. It's honestly been really cool to see the transition from "haha titties and Timmy" to "hey here's a legit product you can hold in your hand and it's damn good quality."
Same, it's clear he actually wants the hobby and community to survive and thrive, he isnt only interested in success for himself but his community which, personally is pretty warhammer, the whole "die as many stand as one mentality"
@@zmsays there's a lot of "LIMITED TIME GONE IN 48 HOURS" then "OH NO I HAD TO EXTEND" and then a month later "WE STILL HAVE SOME". It's pure FOMO, and it's a weak ass pathetic marketing tactic, but since most people are also pathetic, it works.
they stay in business because of all these youtubers using add money to buy models just to make video's any other normal person stopped playing this game back when 4th edd came out because of the price increases
Literally why I clicked on the video. When one model is $40. Used to get the fantasy ones that were metal back in the early 2000's and thought paying a few bucks was alot.
I feel like a smaller channel like them would be crazy not to try to collab with Major Minis on a limited run of models, given that you are local and have systems for production and fulfilment. It would also be a way for you to potentially offset some of your own production costs.
@@majorkillyeah. Personally haven’t brought any mini’s in a while, but I can’t justify buying a 3Dprinter and learn a whole new skill. So I do wonder the demographics for 3D printing.
@@lordbiscuitthetossable5352trust me there is no skill needed ! I thought I was going to struggle I’m just a dairy farmer from New Zealand, things are amazing mate for all sorts , UA-cam has it covered with tutorials dude
@@majorkillTrust me mate I would have grabbed a few physical releases of them. I adore their idea but im not exactly going to go grab a 3D printer and learn everything just to print them.
I do not think the algorithm is down for Warhammer content. I think the market is MASSIVELY over saturated. So many Warhammer YT channels all doing the same content over and over. I have un subbed to several and often just skip a video because I have already seen that and learned this and heard about the thing 3 or 4 times already. I mean my god how many videos about a Primarch or Vraks or the fall of Cadia does a person need? can watch?
but that's part of Majorkill's point, you can't run a buisness expecting it to be all sunshine and rainbows, the pandemic was a once in a lifetime ocorrence where web based corporations reigned because people were stuck at home doing nothing and stuff like Warhammer, SCP, Gaming benefitted greatly but now that, that time is over you need to scale back and grow less rapidly and Tabletop Time isn't ready for that
Imo games workshop shot Warhammer in the foot... At the same time it became popular they jumped the price up and kept it there when I got into the hobby a box of marines cost £20 the most I saw a box for during the pandemic was £45 that's over 100% in 6 years....
@@jamesn0vayeah it got tiring when the shy guy took over. The whole thing was just getting a game like infinite ikea . The interest was fading and it was basically just there to kill innocent people and criminals. Too many disposable people kind of turned the foundation into a killing basement to feed the monsters.
To make it Crystal clear, I am not attacking Table Top time at all and I hope they can pull through this - Join me by signing up to their Patreon Here : www.patreon.com/tabletoptimeminis/ However they have gotten themselves into this situation and need a dramatic shift in strategy if they want to survive. I am hoping that this video helps with that in it's own small way and acts as a lesson for other channels to avoid a similar situation.
Regardless of intent, it really feels like you're dragging them through the mud to me. You've neatly presented the issues table top time is having and even given clear solutions to fixing them. Great... present that information to them, not us and ideally less condescendingly. "and if you watch the video, it is very desperate" shit like that only stands to put them down, it's in no way constructive. Personally I hope this ends up like when you were talking shit about weshammer and decided to back track and apologize. You needed to think more about the consequences of your actions then and now.
Someone who cares doesn't blow smoke up your ar$e they tell you facts. MK is giving advice in his content style, bet this and the Wes vid are the only content you have watched of his you seem the type, drama farmer
It's very sad that it's happening to them. And what you said in your video, it's true, and I think that most people also don't understand that UA-cam is like a business like any other, since most big time channels make their channels into businesses rather than passion projects, most of the time as it is more better in the long run and I think that you put it, best that they need to start focusing more on their business side, and on the kick starters rather than, what they are trying now, with the different thumbnails and, blaming the algorithm, also, it's very nice of you to offer up doing some of the space bear models, if they would ask and supporting their Patreon! Would love to see more content from you like this! And have a good day!
A UA-cam channel and a UA-cam business are completely different beasts. Overall the average UA-cam channel has minimal outgoings when it comes to costs. Sure you’ll have to purchase quality of life items such as a good camera, mic, maybe even a couple of editing programs and a room set up, but just like Warhammer minis you only theoretically need to purchase them once in every 4-5 years and then your costs will go down. it can be as low risk as possible and just time and effort editing and can always remain as a passion project if anything else. A UA-cam business is like being a modern day farmer it isn’t enough anymore to just be what you are. Farmers have to diversify. They have to open a shop, sell to shops and sell every single resources they can just to stay afloat to do it again the next year except with inflation on top. So do UA-camrs in some respect. This is why every other UA-camr turning UA-cam business sells a shirt, has a Patreon, Onlyfans, a side hustle and always have to ramp up to the next merchandise in order to gain growth or at least maintain. This is why we had a week of Raven Ravens and Corvus love from Majorkill. It’s like when a Warhammer gamer wants to open up a shop so all they can do is play tabletop all day. What are your margins? Loss leaders? Logistics costs? Marketing costs? You have to put business before passion when you want to make money. I’ve spoken to my local shop the other day and he said that “Warhammer makes little to no money and each model sold makes him 50p.” The only thing keeping him afloat is Pokemon and Magic the Gathering. The point is when he advertises to the local discord it’s mostly Pokemon and card games, as he should to make money. Many in the local WH community don’t like it but he has to put all of his eggs in TCG because he has to make money so them whiny neckbeards can go in the shop corner and still have a place to complain.
They're pretty top folks! They had a cool series where they made a rules/campaign to run a an IRL Dawn of War game with the standard 40K minis and their own custom buildings/bases to match the in game structures.
I'm an American 🇺🇸🦅, and I've been watching them for a few years now. I'm actually usually more into hobby channels, especially ones like theirs that actually talk through the process and do more than just paint the models.
TTT is an example of why UA-camrs need to be busy savvy at the very least, merch isn’t just something that UA-camrs just kinda have extra, it’s a business model, lives, shorts, merch, it’s all part of what content creators have to do, your not on easy street doing UA-cam, it’s why I’d never do it unless I had someone like Majorkill there to give his experienced two cents. It’s important they hear this
I can sympathize but the responsibility for making the operation profitable lies on the team, not on the consumers. Offer things that people want in an efficient manner that allows you to operate with a profit margin, and you won't need to put out these calls for action. The best they can hope for is a temporary windfall as sympathy dollars pour in, before the same circumstances come to pass again as people lose interest.
100%. I wish them success, but it is up to them to build that success. Without any change, they will likely be in the same boat in a few months after the sympathy dollars run out.
I think he has a good point for physical bits selling. I had been asking for physical prints of space bear and sa'kura bits since they started making them. If they had I would likely have a little space bears army by now, every tau in my army (which admittedly isn't very big yet) would have their bits, and I'm also starting a sisters army now and OH BOY those stain glass window shields are hot 🔥 👌. I imagine many other hobbyist are in the same boat as me, wanting the bits while not having a printer, and also not wanting the hassle of buying the stl's and then finding someone to print for us.
A but more on MWG. They were one of the first tabletop channels. At one point they were the only TTG channel. And even 15 years ago they knew youtube wasn’t sustainable for them, and had their own subscription service, The Vault, and min maxed their content for years! It wasn’t until recently they started to minimize their youtube and expand content again, all while pushing their new printing services. In other words, youtube is not sustainable for a “large” TTG channel. I say large meaning a dedicated gaming space with multiple people dedicated to just gaming.
I love both you and TTT. Yeah, it sucks they tanking. I was watching Jazza since his first studio. I don't want them to fail. I want to support them but can't that do it financially.
This is a great video pulling back the curtain just a little bit on the business side of things, and you did a awesome job articulating a lot of the thoughts I had after watching their video the other day. I genuinely love what they are about and hope they are able to turn it around and make things work.
Luetin09 is one of those people that would have to fuck up royally to not being profitable even with his sparse upload scedhule. Hes been doing this for so long that many consider him as the 'voice of the warhammer 40k lore'
This is how I feel too, i don't think they've worked enough on creating a channel identity as opposed to 3 people doing what they feel like, but happening to share a workshop.
Thanks for making this video, it's really interesting to see your perspective on it, and I really like how you pushed people to help and support them as well as give them some fresh ideas. I don't know too much about your channel, but I've just subscribed based on your attitude to supporting other creators.
That is super freakin cool man, that you are willing to be straight up honest and not hold anything back, with love in your heart - I'm really wondering how you learned that! Would you be interested in making a video about your history of understanding of business? Cause this was awesome!
Majorkill casually giving them the knowledge to basically print money. What a legend. I hope they listen to you and actually link up to do some things with you, so long as pride would allow them to let you run with a few things regarding collabs both on UA-cam and on the money side, selling miniatures etc. you’re a good guy man.
I think they should follow your MO and also Eons of Battle's content style, release a mini every few weeks and make videos out of them, then make a MASSIVE project every year or every other year like the space bears. Hope they pull through, love their stuff.
I loved their content in the early days, but their content kind of... got bland? I love Jen, she is really cool, but her sisters of battle army painting series was kinda boring? Dave's prime time videos usually had okay enough energy and concept, but he was always rather awkward, but not in that charming way? Plus he often would do multiple videos in a "series" that were just applying the same paint scheme to the same army. Which is fine, but not particularly interesting? And Murry... well if I am completely honest, he carried the channel. Almost to the point that I had the thought a while back, why doesn't he strike out on his own? Overall TabletopTime has always felt like it was a friend (Jazza) giving another friend (Dave) a chance at internet fame, oh and the girlfriend (Jen) can come along too. Then it didn't do so hot out the gate, so they brought in a talent (Murry). I have a ton of questions about their video process as well. With three "stars" all capable of producing content, they always seemed to struggle to produce anything regularly.
Regarding army projects: I would have like to see more videos to Dave's traitor guard or the Arthurian Knights space marines. Or Murray's Steel Legion. A lot mre kitbashs and individual minis for those armies. What's interesting is: Dave and Jen had a small Twitch channel before becoming part of TTT.
Blame the issue on youtube when the Table Top algorithm/community only caters to Warhammer 40k since its all people care about they even mentioned it themselves they cant cover other games since other games dont get Warhammer numbers. Stop being Warhammer fans and start embracing more of wargaming a whole..
@@agimb2381 well Zorpazorp is primarily a lotr gamer and I started to watch him for that reason but he has focused more on 40k possibly for that reason. But I actually watch historical miniature gamers more and prefer them to warhammer youtubers and the problem isn’t warhammer it is lack of interest in warhammer and miniatures in general and in part the UA-cam algorithm for not recommending such content
For some YT has not been kind, for others their is no problem. At some point I've stop watching Zorpazorp and TabletopTime because it was always the same content (for TT some video have too much chatting and not enough mini for me). When Zorpazorp made his video explaining his problem I decide to still play his video even if I don't listen to support the channel. I understand that it's not easy to make video that every subscriber enjoy but YT give some tools to help: the community tab can be use to ask what people wants. I hope both channels still work for long time.
@@agimb2381 Blaming people for not liking what you want them to like. Sounds like a great strategy for success. Maybe those other wargaming companies need to come up with better products and advertising to pull in more customers?
zorpa zorp's content is extremely inconsistent, sometimes he does tons, other times he does nothing, and it really feels like hes trying to make things overly energetic and over the top thinking thats what viewers want, recently hes started to realise that simply finishing a project and having consistent progress is better for views and hopefully he keeps with that.
Agree 100%. The costs are way too high for 5 staff members. The one thing I will also add on, if you watch their video, pretty much everything they talk about is what it means to THEM. How much THEY love the job, how much it's been great for THEM and blaming the algorithm - which let's be real is just another word for "Audience". It's fine if you just want to make youtube videos based around whatever you want to make. Just don't expect that to end up as a successful or even sustainable business model - especially when you have 5 full-time staff members and only produce 2 videos a week. The thing that they need to do, and the thing I would recommend ALL youtuber do - Figure out a way to have a consistent "talking head" series, where you just sit down and record straight to camera. Your lore videos are a great example, Eons of Battle's "Models and memories" is a good example. Every Auspex tactics video is a good example. Think of something you can produce frequently, and regularly with low effort and no cost. If you make that a core part of your channel, it'll extend your run-way on the heavy lifts, letting you focus more time on the "once or twice per month" videos that get you really excited.
That's the kick, you don't make 2 "full" videos a week. You make a full video (maybe) and you make a "News" segment about what's happening in the community and then maybe you do a spotlight video on something - models/indie board games/etc. That's 3 videos a week. You could add a livesteam Q&A or battle report to bring that to 4 no problem. What I assume is TTT's problem is that of their 5 full-time staffers, none of them are specialists. So you have a lot of inefficiencies happening. That's fine if you're just out here having fun, but if you want to make youtube your job, you need to dial that in and find the efficiencies. The profit margins are only really good if you're a very large youtuber, or if you keep your costs small - and 5 full-time staffers is a very large staff for a single youtube channel.
Been watching you Majorkill since 2021, since my first son was born. Watching Lore videos, watching you grow your channel bravo mate keep it up. Love the content 👌
Its ironic. Your videos havent been recommend in i dont know how long, probably a year, but I do get TT videos especially the announcement. I really appreciate hard truths paired with suggestions and offers of support, rather than just levy criticism with no reasonable action. Big ups. First Zorpazorp, now TT. I dont want down under creators to go under.
I think one of the biggest issues for them converting YT subscribers into Patreon subs is Jazza. I think people assume that he floats the channel from his art channel, rather than being a separate business, and this was never adequately explained. I suspect this was also the issue with one of his other child-channels: insert art, which has already shuttered. They've done some smart things - splitting off the Roleplay content from the TT content makes sense for not splintering the audience, but maybe that still isn't enough, and their content too broad.
I don't think the broadness if really an issue. Eons of Battle is a really consistent youtube channel that also does hobby content. They have done, 40k, AoS, Kill Team, Mailifaux, Fallout, Star Wars Legion, Deadzone, Smaller Boxed Games and probably way more that I don't even remember. But the thing is their content is incredibly consistent in their style. And even when they do their news talk it still feels the same as watching their regular hobby videos even though no hobby is happening. TTT I have watched here and there and every single video feels like a different channel made it. That and its a classic case of they didn't slow grow the business from what I can tell. It seems like they came out the gate with a full crew and tried to wait for revenue to follow. Which is a really tough way to make a successful business, because you run into exactly their issue. They never found their style, never found a formula that worked and years on they are still clearly looking at other creators and trying to figure what will work. And as money starts to run out they are doing even weirder content outside of their wheel house which continues to mess up their algorithm.
@@amn1088 yeah, now it's not that broad, but when they had their roleplay-play-alongs on the same channel, there were 2 very different audiences. I don't care for watching people play roleplay games, there are likely people who love roleplay sessions who don't care for Warhammer (or miniatures.)
There's no denying the YT algorithm is a beast in and of itself. I have just experienced the opposite. This was the first recommended video here I've gotten in nearly a year whereas I watch TTT quite frequently. Perhaps part of what the hobby needs is more comradery and collaboration so that all the good channels in this hobby we love at least get noticed, recognized, and recommended. I know, business is business and to each their own...but on the other hand, hobbyists are hobbyists and we should stand together!
For me a large part in my drop of of viewing their content was the "all over the place" vibes in the thumbnails and projects. If they had stuck to even building their sisters and tau custom armies I would've binged that like crazy
Your vocabulary is as straight forward as always. "If your business only works when the sun is shining, then you're one storm away from getting turbo fucked." is the exact blunt reality of many things that people want to sugar coat when they say it. As harsh as wording can sound, I for one relate to it and it is with good intention. You are a good table top nerd, Majorkill. Maybe this will heard more people towards their channel. Any effort is a good one.
An outside perspective is a massive help in any business. I enjoyed the space bears series and the other custom chapters but don’t play warhammer. More custom chapter with scenery builds and battles with buyable minis would be fun.
I really like your ownesty. As somebody who ramped up 2 start ups. I can only say that your ansysis for me feeld stop on. Also very cool from you to give them feedback. I really hope they are listening.
Appreciate you signal boosting them. I've been watching them since Jazza resurrected the channel a few years ago. Ended up joining their Patreon to help keep them from going under when they released the panic video. I don't wanna see a pillar of the community go like this.
I’ve seen so many posts on Reddit with Raven Guard chats posting pictures of your Raven master model. Love you actually watch and comment way more than others in this community. Pure 40K Chad….lol😂
I LOVE it when channels have a standard thumbnail that is either colour coded or imaged so you can see a series from the home page. Or recognize it on the home page
As a patron of TTT i can wholeheartedly say i love the patron community and i feel like i get something for my money! I love the TTT team and its really cool and fun to be able to interact with them and others, get their opinion on the minies we paint and so on, veri cool, can recommend! If not for that then for coffee bits!
Speaking from personal experience (not UA-cam but similar), the business side can not be ignored. I think you hit the nail on the head MK. Either lower costs or develop alternative income based on the channel. Create something people want and need.
Haven’t watched you in like 6 months but I did an exception for this one. You seem to have matured a lot regarding business. Cool to see 🙂 Never heard of that company. Then again there are quite a few Warhammer UA-camrs.
I think they're good and they put out some interesting content, but funnily enough they probably represent the average gamer more than channels like Squidmar or MarcoFrisoni who represent the insanely skilled professional modellers/painters even though the whole reason they're struggling is they're all professionals who need to get paid (i.e. it's not just a hobby for them). Probably part of their problem is Jazza tried to run it like one of his art channels but with a much smaller scope of only wargaming while employing 5 people. With 5 people I'd think it necessary to have side products and use YT as the marketing for those products rather than the other way round of trying to make money off YT itself, Space Bears were cool but they need more of that. I don't think any of them are professional 3D modellers though, I've made some 3D models in my time and if you aren't a pro, it's insanely time consuming.
I'm a big fan of TTT, have been since Jazza started it with his Blood Angel's video. Honestly, I couldn't agree more with what you're saying here. I personally loved their HH videos, the personal army videos, Dave's alpha legion showcase, and the huge effort they put into that titan board. But I don't care about odd things they keep post every other day. IDC about AoS, or battle reports, I just like seeing their unique take on warhammer. Show more personality in their videos for each of the cast; I wanna see Dave's alpha legion or his chaos traitor guard, Jen's dark elves, or Murry's Imperial guard. I also think what squidmar is doing is what they should be focusing on. BIG SHOWCASE things that would make them stand out. I've decided to show my support through patreon as well, but I hope if they do make it out of this deficit, they take a hard look at their video options and take the right path.
It's harsh but they need to hear it. Blowing smoke up their ass and blaming the algorithm (which they can't control) is useless. You should rename this to how to do biznis as an Australian
Bucko - the reason they didn't reach out to you for the printing is because _most_ people still think that your content is the same as it was a few years ago. You wouldn't believe how often I see comments about how: _"All Majorkill does is cuss, and make dirty, cringe jokes. He literally cusses more than he says anything else."_ Aka they watched a video or two about 4+ years ago, and haven't watched anything since. Yet they are still absolutely convinced that your material hasn't matured and changed. Despite your viewers having shot through the roof since then.
This is a necessary video. If you want to do youtube full time, then you have to realise it is a business and it needs to be treated like a business. That means making difficult calls, planning ahead and being able to be realistic about your production etc. A single person can, with some effort, probably get a hobby channel monetised. But they will not be able to get any real money without dropping the hobby mindset. You can't expect to run a youtube business with a hobby mindset.
I agree things at time do suck, but that’s to be expected when you run a business. Like when you fucked up the major minis you weren’t like oh production issues not my fault you took accountability and improved so the same mistake wouldent happen again.
They seem like nice people I hope they pull through. Majorkill has done very well on his Patreon and comissioning artwork. calendars then figures, then keeping costs to a minimum with video production and appears to have a few good employees. Well done to himn
As someone who did join their Patreon after their video, I will say I agree with you on a lot of points. I think they make some great content and have fun but there's a slight lack of focus when it comes to what they produce. I think my fave videos from them have been when they're doing their conversions and creating their cool custom factions. I think they're also realizing they're going to have to diversify and have some ideas I think could be promising. I'm hopeful they're able to pull through and see videos like yours that give some brutally honest but well-meaning criticism.
I remember when i supported the the Kickstarter, expecting a cool space bear boxset and then i reread it and saw i was only getting STLs i died a little inside
I would like them to do more narrative things like with the space bears. More narrative battles with them, more sales towards space bears. That kill team they did was amazing! Same with them making the dawn of war table top. If they made more content like that, I would always be watching them but like you said, they all over the place lately
I'm going to be honest. With hobbies like these, there are so many alternatives, places where you can get stuff cheaper and now 3d printing etc. It's not a very smart idea to try and start a shop now. The guy running the local game store bought a toy shop because his game store was going well.. I fear that he made a majort mistake. The whole reason that toy store went out of business is because no one buys toys in store anymore. I mean some parents will take their kids there when they take their kids to the mall.. but most parents avoid taking their kids to the mall. They just order whatever toy is popular for whatever price is best online. I remember going to a tobacco shop to buy some vape liquid a couple of years ago. And I told the guy I normally don't buy in store because it's cheaper online and I can order until 12 am at night and still get it delivered next day. The guy was like "wow really" .. only when I walked out did I realize the faux pas I made and how rude it was.
Starting to watch @Majorkill content years ago during the pandemic, I never would have thought we'd get a video with this level of maturity and interest. Surprised we didn't get some nudie calendar hocked at us. How the mighty have fallen. Great, thoughtful break from the norm.
Yeah, I eft a comment on their video on the same line. It's a channel that I have no clue what it's all about other than being a warhammer channel, it's all over the place. it's very typical for creative people to not understand the creation of a conceptual identity and think that it's all about great technique or producing random cool stuff, or worse, just being different for the sake of being different. This mindset leads to inconsistency and makes hard for consumers to know what to expect and therefore won't look for what a creative produces other than maybe a one time thing. it's unquestionable the technical quality they can produce, but when it comes to business identity and concept they are all over the place and very amateurish. Really like you giving them this shout out openly and hope they turn things around.
Same thing is going on with Zorpazorp. For those of you who havent heard of him, he's a terrain crafter and makes stupidly huge boards. His most notable projects are The Imperial Palace (Set during the siege) that double for LI and 40k, and the White City of Minastirith ( + Osgiliath and the Pellanor). Please, go check him out! He's another Australian youtuber (Recently moved to New Zealand)
It feels like he's just making one big fortress and calling it the imperial palace or minas tirith depending on the video. I'd watch more if the content was more varied. Every thumbnail looks exactly the same
@@FrayedBristles I can agree with the Imperial Palace bit, but even then its massively impressive. Minas Tirith, I think, is pretty on point. To each their own, though!
@@FrayedBristles Yeah, Im inclined to agree. The Mark of Calth campaign should be coming back soon, which will be a nice change of pace assuming that it works the second time
You made really good points that kinda hit the nail on the head for me. I just stopped being interested in these projects that just seemed chaotic and rushed and the no physical prints. I would have 100% bought the space bears but I don’t have a printer. It was really disappointing to not have access to that army unless I found an Aussie printer on Etsy doing it. All your points were fair and I really hope they take the advice because I would really love to have them stay and be consistent in their content.
5 team members for 250k subs is insane. Especially given how piss poor ad revenue is. Hell most channels with millions of subs get by on like.. 3 employees.
Brah its ridiculous. I do have sympathy, but its hard to when they are basically industry plants lmao. They just tried to jump into youtube as if they have been around for 10 years lol
@@Happyjethappy I'd think industry plants would have been subsidized. Honestly I'm not even subbed to em, but I paint/make terrain so yeah, it's my kind of content. Sounds like they made a lot of dumb mistakes, tbh
Its weird I would say their channel is like Eons of Battle if Eons of Battle never found their footing. EoB has an incredibly consistent style, probably because there is just one presenter. They have at least a team of 4-5 with everything they do but they have a thriving patreon that actually gives subscribers thing monthly. TTT always seemed weird to me, it always felt like every video I was watching a completely different youtube channel with just the same people working behind the scenes and many videos felt like the first in a larger series only to never see anything related to that ever again or in a few months maybe. I do think with their team before going part time they should have just taken the blueprint from Squidmar and do a big overarching project with regular videos and updates and then supplement that smaller video projects as well. Whats weird is they have done larger projects but then they always consolidate it into a single video I guess for fear people wont watch the follow ups. Frankly I think what they have been doing as a business is looking at every other successful channel doing some of the stuff they are doing for very short periods of time and all at once then trying to evalute if its successful off a small number of videos or even a single video before looking for something else to try. Thats why they are all over the place and failing.
I contemplated starting a UA-cam channel a few years ago doing similar content. But all of a sudden all the content creators I was following started having massive issues with algorithms, viewership, revenue, reach, etc. and it totally scared me off. Good luck to all the creators out there moving forward.
In what way? In apperance, emotion or something else? I'm not an consistent majorkill viewer so I haven't caught on to the things that would make it turn into a dark eldar like you have so please tell!
@@bestofmoh well you could have just said that, atleast made it more obivious than talk in cryptid wording because when you say dark eldar people don't relate to that that they wear dark clothing but the depraved shit they do. Calm down? Wtf i am calm all I did was ask a damn question why you got be so damn hostile for!? Talk about being a jerk for no reason!
I don't think the majority of the 40k community actually cares about the tabletop side. So they are a niche in a niche. They can't go too hard, because it'll never pay off.
The harsh truth. A lot of 40k fans have never or will never play the tabletop. They enjoy the lore videos, video games, novels, etc. Games Workshop was lucky enough to build a franchise out of their universe and has grown well beyond its roots.
@@mgtowmonkapprenticegang8426same i'm too a casual but to be fair i would like to sometime play a tabletop game but not the full 2000 points game but something small like killteam, atleast to see if its for me.
I love the models and i go to stores to learn how to play. But the smell is actually grotesque sometimes. LGS’s should have a shower before you enter policy. Its crazy.
In the last 4 years, that channel has never once been recommended to me, never has it cropped up to view and never knew it existed. I’m in the uk, I’ve seen a variety of Warhammer channels, yet they are elusive.
I've watched Jazza for years, but I don't know that I've watched much of Tabletop Time's main channel, just a vid here and there. I've watched some of the Tabletop Time Roleplay stuff, which is on a different channel. I just like reading 40k books and listening to the lore, I'm not into minis or playing 40k table top. I hope they can pull through though, even if it's not my cup of tea. I really like the Tabletop time crew.
Long Live the Space Bears! Depending on your financials maybe you could offer to do a collaboration on the Space Bears with your own models like sell some in your store a portion of the proceeds goes to help them, for a set period of time, it is a business after all or how about a game live streaming showcase some Majorkill models alongside Tabletop Time which could introduce a Space Bear model line? I'd love to see other successful UA-cam creators help each other ;p
Thank you all tubers need to here this... Which in my 12 years of expernices as a small tuber a dead channel is one that has been deleated... There is always a way you can tube as a hobby all it takes is the will to do it.
Hey Majorkill,
First up thankyou for shouting out the Patreon and the channel. Rest assured we are making a dramatic shift in strategy, we are cutting costs, and we are doing what we can to survive. We've made plenty of mistakes, but we are always trying to learn from them.
There were a few assumptions in the video that weren't correct, such as the idea that the channel had 5 full time employees (it did not) - we would have happily cleared up those details if you'd asked.
We have products in development, but physical miniatures is an interesting avenue we haven't explored. We definitely should!
We do have a rather inconsistent channel facing right now, and this is due to our attempts to find some different avenues of content, such as talking, or reaction, but going forward we will be less scattershot in our approach.
There is no doubt or question that Tabletop Time was built on optimism and enthusiasm, and while they may not be the most solid foundations for a wildly successful business, we would hope we live in a world where being optimistic or aspirational is not seen as laughable, even if it is perhaps a little naive.
Its clear from the outpouring of love we have received that our videos have impacted many, and shared the love of what we do with many more - And we only hope to continue doing so in the future - It is not hopeless, the goals are not as far away as it feels in this video - The communities support has already gotten us a giant leap towards where we need to be, and from here we can hopefully survive long enough to solidify those other aspects of the business you discuss, products, other avenues of reach, shorts etc.
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EDIT - We've tried to reply to your reply multiple times, don't know what is going on - So we just wanted to add it in here -
Absolutely fair - We got lost reading the comments and conflated multiple points people were saying with what you said, and it isnt accurate (and what was said in the comments was not the same as what you said, so we got mixed up there) - No need to discuss it further, we appreciate the spotlight and thats it - Thanks!
I have full confidence you guys will be able to push through! The passion is there and that is 80% of what it takes to succeed.
As for my assumptions - 1:44 "The Three Hosts, a part time artist and editor, that's 5 employees, 3 of which would be on a full time salary" this information was taken directly from your video, with the three hosts going part time insinuating that they were previously full time. I never said you had 5 full time employees at any point.
Let me know if I have missed anything or if any of my assumptions were wrong.
*edit - if you guys wanna do a gnarly Space Bears physical launch let me know... we would make $$$
Just recently found your guys channel. You guys can pull it up!!! This is the new digital age, your voice can reach around the world. Love from AZ,USA.
I miss the days when people doing content about their hobbies didn't expect to make a living from it. The production quality isn't even that different... but people expect full time salaries for themselves and editors.
The minigaming community is so fuckin generous that TabletopTime may even end up surviving off the back of that generosity. If they do, I hope they take that seriously and actually pump out good content at a good pace... but considering their roots, I doubt it.
When I was just randomly scrolling through the Internet I randomly clicked on the space bears video. I'm glad I did cause if I didn't I wouldn't have known what passion looked like from an artist view. I wish I could do something more other than subscribing. But I don't know how to do digital transactions.
@@majorkill you basically gave them a license to print money XD
I can't stress enough how you guys should NEVER tie your success to the success of game and social media companies. UA-cam can Thanos snap your career away at ANY TIME THEY WANT. So can Games Workshop. Try to cut away as many "middle men" as you possibly can.
I mean, normal business can get thanos snapped randomly, and yt is more volatile
Stories like this make me wonder how much of UA-camrs income stream was related to the impact of c0vid isolation and the disconnected feelings many folks had during those years.
Yeah look what youtube did to mxr just gone no reason just don't want you on the platform
Cannot stress what you said enough, i worked at big multi national company of which its distribution largely depended on "platforms". Even with our combined might, a platform "change of terms" or "change of remuneration rate" can undo half of annual budget, and risk having pipeline shut and some dozens staffer on chopping block. These modern platforms had the supplier on chokehold because the customer are mostly only there. Plus early internet era made people expect "free" content. All leaves the platform and advertiser with disparaty of power over all
yeah people whos job is to make content for a single video game freak me out... specially when its a mobile game
"If your business only works when the sun is shining, then you're one storm away from getting turbo fucked." should be the first line on every bank loan application.
Replace TTT with FLGS and it helps explain why they so often fail so quickly, also “passionate about the game but know fuck-all about business” explains a lot too
I don't think "sun is shining" businesses are a bad idea, you just have to take them for what they are, something you do temporarily to get some cash then move on to the next idea when the storm hits.
@@wolfie54321 Right but 90 percent of people don't do that, hence my comment.
Any chance you've looked into Agriculture and hunting businesses?
@@sztypettto No chance
It's a channel that has never been recommended to me by UA-cam.
I only got recommended their video about how they are in trouble- a bit late in some ways!
Same
@@samuelaylmer804 same, I'd never heard of them until I got that video recommended to me and I only remember it because I thought 'this is weird' when I saw it as a recommendation.
I've been watching them since Jazza started TTT, and I've also skipped my fair share of videos. It's not that it isn't entertaining, but as MajorKill said, they're all over the place.
I would have liked to see the whole Sakura Tau army painted, or a full Space Bears army ( I watched all the SB content, that I honestly enjoyed), I loved the thunderhawk they made for SB.
I think that instead of the mishmash of thumbnails they had, each artist should have had their own unique thumbnails, but that would also be a clear indicator of whose content isn't pulling in the views, since people would just not watch whoever's the flavour of the week I guess.
They could have also worked with Shadiversity (Jazza's brother) for some of the theory & feasibility on some of the weapons, I think a lore tie-in would be awesome, but that would also give them the opportunity to make actual props, which could then be sold/ auctioned for additional income. They ran this as a hobby update channel, and less of a business, which ultimately cost them, as they didn't do it as hobbyists but as a job. Squidmar is similar, but each video has a very clear goal, and you know what you are in for when you click that thumbnail.
They also spend more time talking about what/ why they like something, and less time on how to achieve that desired result... that's what kept me from becoming fully invested. PeteTheWargamer, Squidmar and AnotherDayMinitures have an amazing format, because they're painting tutorials first and foremost, and not just geeking out with random stuff.
Never heard of them until now lol
Thanks for the shoutout! ;)
I do agree though, running a UA-cam business is tough, and you 110% need several alternative revenue sources. It has been an interesting ride these last 17 years, with many ups and downs.
I hope TTT figures it out, as it's always hard to see other content creators go.
-Matthew
One thing about Miniwargaming is that they also have a physical location where you can meet the team and play with them. Not only that, they all have branching channels that feeds into the main one. That and more engagement with the community with narrative wargaming, giveaways and other things and it's little wonder why miniwargaming is so successful. I remember when they first started and the guy to beat was Jawaballs. Also, never rely on youtube for revenue, always have several other things going on.
YT as a sole source of income is long since dead when the first Adpocalypse hit. A lot of successful channels have learned you need to diversify your income streams if you want to keep continuing from a business perspective.
The team is also super likeable, and seems to care. I was at Niagara Falls and did a quick trip up to see the bunker. They were all awesome, and gave me a tour. I appreciated the hell out of that.
MWG also have most of their stuff behind a paywall off of UA-cam.
They were Patreoning before Patreon was a thing, and it started as a channel promoting their brick and mortar hobby shop.
I don't really see how you can say Mini wargaming is hugely successful. Not too long ago they were posting videos begging for subscriptions for their paywall platform and giving massive discounts for it and basically saying they might need to downsize or shutdown all together. Now I believe this was before they released Ravaged Star and no doubt that Kickstarter was hugely successful but what is important now is how they will use those funds to keep the money machine churning and keep their heads above water...
their tabletop mini line is crazy successful and theit hotel thingy is booked at all times 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
People don’t understand its hard to get a business going and having staying power especially with youtube being so unpredictable. One month the algo is good to you and others its like a barren desert.
And then you get a video demonitised for no (or a silly) apparent reason, and have to wait ages to get an appeal heard from a real human.
And of course there's the fake copyright strikes.....
yeah thats a red herring argument. consider that A. it is a nish topic and interest. B. they had pretty much a monopol of that particular interest. C they had enough subscribers to let it go on. what is most likely and more often the case they overrinvest probably stocks in something else that drained the cost. majority of buisnesses goes bankrupt more often because of their overspending on other stuffs that leaves their primary buisness at stake. you grow to fast and overspend that will more often cost your buisness when theres a shift in the economy. this has nothing to do with algorithmic issues, thats just false, when it comes to the so called copystrike or demonitising, also a false problem consider they had overall over a million subscribers which leaves plenty of advertisers and merch sales ongoing. YT primary income is merch. this likely was a bad buisness and advertisement practise on their part. consider you have many different options of revinew that counteracts the demonitise problem
@@dendrien ok
Lol get a real job
How can you blame the algorithm. If they were a natural organism channel aka, some people part time making 2 or 3 videos a month to half their standard and with half as many views theyd be considered an up and coming success. Its fucked to pay 3 to 5 people full wages as a brand new youtube channel. Fun experiment for jazza, shit business idea.
"Where was Tabletop Time when the Westfold fell?" - King Theoden probably
They were guarding the sewers at Helm's Deep... before Isengard attacked.
This is honestly one the real reasons I like your channel. You're a business mixed with a hobby and you're very up front about how things are. You take the time to help us understand your pov and the ins/outs of what you deal with instead of just arbitrarily blaming stuff.
+1 to that. It's honestly been really cool to see the transition from "haha titties and Timmy" to "hey here's a legit product you can hold in your hand and it's damn good quality."
On the other hand, the constant FOMOing is somewhat annoying. Thankfully I'm not the target audience.
Same, it's clear he actually wants the hobby and community to survive and thrive, he isnt only interested in success for himself but his community which, personally is pretty warhammer, the whole "die as many stand as one mentality"
@@ciCCapROSTi not sure I understand regarding the FOMOing?
@@zmsays there's a lot of "LIMITED TIME GONE IN 48 HOURS" then "OH NO I HAD TO EXTEND" and then a month later "WE STILL HAVE SOME". It's pure FOMO, and it's a weak ass pathetic marketing tactic, but since most people are also pathetic, it works.
This is genuinely a great video. Very strong "Listen mate, you know I love you, but you need to sort your life out" vibes
Exactly. Being blunt or straightforward is not mean. He’s doing them a big service by even talking about them.
@arima01 100%. There are times when sugarcoating a problem is actually cruel, even if done with the best intentions
Honestly didn't read it fully and I thought warhammer as the tabletop game itself was going bankrupt then I realised Primaris Intercessors are £40 😅
Me too
they stay in business because of all these youtubers using add money to buy models just to make video's
any other normal person stopped playing this game back when 4th edd came out because of the price increases
Bro, same 😅
Literally why I clicked on the video. When one model is $40. Used to get the fantasy ones that were metal back in the early 2000's and thought paying a few bucks was alot.
Just search for "henry cavil warhammer" and you'll see that Games Workshop is going out of business any day now, and has been for about 2 years.
I feel like a smaller channel like them would be crazy not to try to collab with Major Minis on a limited run of models, given that you are local and have systems for production and fulfilment. It would also be a way for you to potentially offset some of your own production costs.
I was surprised that they never tried to do a physical run of the Space Bears - would have been like printing money
@@majorkillyeah. Personally haven’t brought any mini’s in a while, but I can’t justify buying a 3Dprinter and learn a whole new skill. So I do wonder the demographics for 3D printing.
@@majorkillhell I don't and have never played and I'd probably buy some space bears or the cool tau they made just to have them
@@lordbiscuitthetossable5352trust me there is no skill needed ! I thought I was going to struggle I’m just a dairy farmer from New Zealand, things are amazing mate for all sorts , UA-cam has it covered with tutorials dude
@@majorkillTrust me mate I would have grabbed a few physical releases of them. I adore their idea but im not exactly going to go grab a 3D printer and learn everything just to print them.
I do not think the algorithm is down for Warhammer content. I think the market is MASSIVELY over saturated. So many Warhammer YT channels all doing the same content over and over. I have un subbed to several and often just skip a video because I have already seen that and learned this and heard about the thing 3 or 4 times already. I mean my god how many videos about a Primarch or Vraks or the fall of Cadia does a person need? can watch?
Did you see when they all got sponsored by infinity and released the same video as each other. Was cringe tbh. No tact from them or corvus.
Spot on 👌
I'm having trouble making unique warhammer videos myself. Reading that and seeing my numbers go down makes sense
Warhammer and SCP channels went downhill after the pandemic.
but that's part of Majorkill's point, you can't run a buisness expecting it to be all sunshine and rainbows, the pandemic was a once in a lifetime ocorrence where web based corporations reigned because people were stuck at home doing nothing and stuff like Warhammer, SCP, Gaming benefitted greatly but now that, that time is over you need to scale back and grow less rapidly and Tabletop Time isn't ready for that
Scp died years before covid. Everyone was just going through the backlogs
Imo games workshop shot Warhammer in the foot... At the same time it became popular they jumped the price up and kept it there when I got into the hobby a box of marines cost £20 the most I saw a box for during the pandemic was £45 that's over 100% in 6 years....
@@jamesn0vayeah it got tiring when the shy guy took over.
The whole thing was just getting a game like infinite ikea .
The interest was fading and it was basically just there to kill innocent people and criminals.
Too many disposable people kind of turned the foundation into a killing basement to feed the monsters.
@@Alertacobra12 agreed. Sucks cause a lot of channel do more than some shitty animation or just reading the wiki.
To make it Crystal clear, I am not attacking Table Top time at all and I hope they can pull through this - Join me by signing up to their Patreon Here : www.patreon.com/tabletoptimeminis/
However they have gotten themselves into this situation and need a dramatic shift in strategy if they want to survive. I am hoping that this video helps with that in it's own small way and acts as a lesson for other channels to avoid a similar situation.
Regardless of intent, it really feels like you're dragging them through the mud to me. You've neatly presented the issues table top time is having and even given clear solutions to fixing them. Great... present that information to them, not us and ideally less condescendingly. "and if you watch the video, it is very desperate" shit like that only stands to put them down, it's in no way constructive. Personally I hope this ends up like when you were talking shit about weshammer and decided to back track and apologize. You needed to think more about the consequences of your actions then and now.
This video was a kindness. An acquaintance will tell you what you want to hear. A friend will tell you what you need to hear.
Someone who cares doesn't blow smoke up your ar$e they tell you facts. MK is giving advice in his content style, bet this and the Wes vid are the only content you have watched of his you seem the type, drama farmer
@@nurgledave 😂
@@danahearn82 as we hear so often, no publicity is bad publicity.
Asking Majorkill to do a Battle / Fall of Cadia video the same way he did for Vraks. Would be amazing !
Majorkill is stealing all their subscribers with his sexy calendars and hot art!
So they also need to show some skin...?
@casbot71 I mean I cannot see how it could hurt
@@calenel6102 Brother, trust me, you don`t want to see a bunch a naked middle aged balding men.
Majorkill is mostly lore content and doesn't do miniatures, completely different audiances
Stupid sexy majorkill
Luetin is just a buddhist monk who sometimes throws down his scrolls for us worms
He aint THAt good- kinda boring tbh. Plus he's a hypocrit about lore changes.
@@BattleBrotherCasten🙄
Sometimes I forget my favourite lore channel also has a successful business and a successful UA-cam channel, best way to do it really.
It's very sad that it's happening to them. And what you said in your video, it's true, and I think that most people also don't understand that UA-cam is like a business like any other, since most big time channels make their channels into businesses rather than passion projects, most of the time as it is more better in the long run and I think that you put it, best that they need to start focusing more on their business side, and on the kick starters rather than, what they are trying now, with the different thumbnails and, blaming the algorithm, also, it's very nice of you to offer up doing some of the space bear models, if they would ask and supporting their Patreon!
Would love to see more content from you like this! And have a good day!
A UA-cam channel and a UA-cam business are completely different beasts. Overall the average UA-cam channel has minimal outgoings when it comes to costs. Sure you’ll have to purchase quality of life items such as a good camera, mic, maybe even a couple of editing programs and a room set up, but just like Warhammer minis you only theoretically need to purchase them once in every 4-5 years and then your costs will go down. it can be as low risk as possible and just time and effort editing and can always remain as a passion project if anything else.
A UA-cam business is like being a modern day farmer it isn’t enough anymore to just be what you are. Farmers have to diversify. They have to open a shop, sell to shops and sell every single resources they can just to stay afloat to do it again the next year except with inflation on top. So do UA-camrs in some respect. This is why every other UA-camr turning UA-cam business sells a shirt, has a Patreon, Onlyfans, a side hustle and always have to ramp up to the next merchandise in order to gain growth or at least maintain. This is why we had a week of Raven Ravens and Corvus love from Majorkill.
It’s like when a Warhammer gamer wants to open up a shop so all they can do is play tabletop all day. What are your margins? Loss leaders? Logistics costs? Marketing costs? You have to put business before passion when you want to make money.
I’ve spoken to my local shop the other day and he said that “Warhammer makes little to no money and each model sold makes him 50p.” The only thing keeping him afloat is Pokemon and Magic the Gathering. The point is when he advertises to the local discord it’s mostly Pokemon and card games, as he should to make money. Many in the local WH community don’t like it but he has to put all of his eggs in TCG because he has to make money so them whiny neckbeards can go in the shop corner and still have a place to complain.
Interesting, I'm an Aussie who religiously watches your videos, I spend a lot of time on UA-cam but I've never ever heard of Tabletop Time....
They're pretty top folks! They had a cool series where they made a rules/campaign to run a an IRL Dawn of War game with the standard 40K minis and their own custom buildings/bases to match the in game structures.
@@RocKM001they are but me too never heard about them and youtube push me warhammer content so i find other channels
The algorithm is so weird. I'm in California and been watching Tabletop Time for years. One of my favorite channels.
I'm an American 🇺🇸🦅, and I've been watching them for a few years now. I'm actually usually more into hobby channels, especially ones like theirs that actually talk through the process and do more than just paint the models.
@@ReverendPONTSame, same.
You are right with everything you said about TTT I HOPE they take the message from this video and not take it as an attack
I am old. Majorkill is now a full on adult man, not some edge lord kid anymore and its great and kind of sad at the same time.
TTT is an example of why UA-camrs need to be busy savvy at the very least, merch isn’t just something that UA-camrs just kinda have extra, it’s a business model, lives, shorts, merch, it’s all part of what content creators have to do, your not on easy street doing UA-cam, it’s why I’d never do it unless I had someone like Majorkill there to give his experienced two cents. It’s important they hear this
I can sympathize but the responsibility for making the operation profitable lies on the team, not on the consumers. Offer things that people want in an efficient manner that allows you to operate with a profit margin, and you won't need to put out these calls for action. The best they can hope for is a temporary windfall as sympathy dollars pour in, before the same circumstances come to pass again as people lose interest.
100%. I wish them success, but it is up to them to build that success. Without any change, they will likely be in the same boat in a few months after the sympathy dollars run out.
I think he has a good point for physical bits selling.
I had been asking for physical prints of space bear and sa'kura bits since they started making them. If they had I would likely have a little space bears army by now, every tau in my army (which admittedly isn't very big yet) would have their bits, and I'm also starting a sisters army now and OH BOY those stain glass window shields are hot 🔥 👌.
I imagine many other hobbyist are in the same boat as me, wanting the bits while not having a printer, and also not wanting the hassle of buying the stl's and then finding someone to print for us.
A but more on MWG. They were one of the first tabletop channels. At one point they were the only TTG channel. And even 15 years ago they knew youtube wasn’t sustainable for them, and had their own subscription service, The Vault, and min maxed their content for years! It wasn’t until recently they started to minimize their youtube and expand content again, all while pushing their new printing services.
In other words, youtube is not sustainable for a “large” TTG channel. I say large meaning a dedicated gaming space with multiple people dedicated to just gaming.
I love both you and TTT. Yeah, it sucks they tanking. I was watching Jazza since his first studio. I don't want them to fail. I want to support them but can't that do it financially.
This is a great video pulling back the curtain just a little bit on the business side of things, and you did a awesome job articulating a lot of the thoughts I had after watching their video the other day. I genuinely love what they are about and hope they are able to turn it around and make things work.
I love tabletop time, glad to hear your opinions on it
Luetin09 is one of those people that would have to fuck up royally to not being profitable even with his sparse upload scedhule. Hes been doing this for so long that many consider him as the 'voice of the warhammer 40k lore'
He was also around when youtube was a lot more profitable for less views so he would have made a bucket of cash early
They split their content between three people and styles and wonder why it doesnt connect with people
This is how I feel too, i don't think they've worked enough on creating a channel identity as opposed to 3 people doing what they feel like, but happening to share a workshop.
Thanks for making this video, it's really interesting to see your perspective on it, and I really like how you pushed people to help and support them as well as give them some fresh ideas. I don't know too much about your channel, but I've just subscribed based on your attitude to supporting other creators.
Been watching 40k content on youtube for the last 6 years, not once have I ever been recommend the channel
Same. I keeping the same 4 channels over and over again. It's when I looked up gameplay I noticed just how many channels they were.
That is super freakin cool man, that you are willing to be straight up honest and not hold anything back, with love in your heart - I'm really wondering how you learned that! Would you be interested in making a video about your history of understanding of business? Cause this was awesome!
Majorkill casually giving them the knowledge to basically print money. What a legend.
I hope they listen to you and actually link up to do some things with you, so long as pride would allow them to let you run with a few things regarding collabs both on UA-cam and on the money side, selling miniatures etc.
you’re a good guy man.
I think they should follow your MO and also Eons of Battle's content style, release a mini every few weeks and make videos out of them, then make a MASSIVE project every year or every other year like the space bears. Hope they pull through, love their stuff.
I loved their content in the early days, but their content kind of... got bland? I love Jen, she is really cool, but her sisters of battle army painting series was kinda boring? Dave's prime time videos usually had okay enough energy and concept, but he was always rather awkward, but not in that charming way? Plus he often would do multiple videos in a "series" that were just applying the same paint scheme to the same army. Which is fine, but not particularly interesting? And Murry... well if I am completely honest, he carried the channel. Almost to the point that I had the thought a while back, why doesn't he strike out on his own? Overall TabletopTime has always felt like it was a friend (Jazza) giving another friend (Dave) a chance at internet fame, oh and the girlfriend (Jen) can come along too. Then it didn't do so hot out the gate, so they brought in a talent (Murry). I have a ton of questions about their video process as well. With three "stars" all capable of producing content, they always seemed to struggle to produce anything regularly.
Regarding army projects: I would have like to see more videos to Dave's traitor guard or the Arthurian Knights space marines. Or Murray's Steel Legion. A lot mre kitbashs and individual minis for those armies.
What's interesting is: Dave and Jen had a small Twitch channel before becoming part of TTT.
Zorpazorp has been having trouble as an independent UA-camrs. UA-cam has not been kind to miniature UA-camrs
Blame the issue on youtube when the Table Top algorithm/community only caters to Warhammer 40k since its all people care about they even mentioned it themselves they cant cover other games since other games dont get Warhammer numbers. Stop being Warhammer fans and start embracing more of wargaming a whole..
@@agimb2381 well Zorpazorp is primarily a lotr gamer and I started to watch him for that reason but he has focused more on 40k possibly for that reason. But I actually watch historical miniature gamers more and prefer them to warhammer youtubers and the problem isn’t warhammer it is lack of interest in warhammer and miniatures in general and in part the UA-cam algorithm for not recommending such content
For some YT has not been kind, for others their is no problem.
At some point I've stop watching Zorpazorp and TabletopTime because it was always the same content (for TT some video have too much chatting and not enough mini for me).
When Zorpazorp made his video explaining his problem I decide to still play his video even if I don't listen to support the channel.
I understand that it's not easy to make video that every subscriber enjoy but YT give some tools to help: the community tab can be use to ask what people wants.
I hope both channels still work for long time.
@@agimb2381 Blaming people for not liking what you want them to like. Sounds like a great strategy for success. Maybe those other wargaming companies need to come up with better products and advertising to pull in more customers?
zorpa zorp's content is extremely inconsistent, sometimes he does tons, other times he does nothing, and it really feels like hes trying to make things overly energetic and over the top thinking thats what viewers want, recently hes started to realise that simply finishing a project and having consistent progress is better for views and hopefully he keeps with that.
Agree 100%. The costs are way too high for 5 staff members. The one thing I will also add on, if you watch their video, pretty much everything they talk about is what it means to THEM. How much THEY love the job, how much it's been great for THEM and blaming the algorithm - which let's be real is just another word for "Audience".
It's fine if you just want to make youtube videos based around whatever you want to make. Just don't expect that to end up as a successful or even sustainable business model - especially when you have 5 full-time staff members and only produce 2 videos a week.
The thing that they need to do, and the thing I would recommend ALL youtuber do - Figure out a way to have a consistent "talking head" series, where you just sit down and record straight to camera. Your lore videos are a great example, Eons of Battle's "Models and memories" is a good example. Every Auspex tactics video is a good example. Think of something you can produce frequently, and regularly with low effort and no cost. If you make that a core part of your channel, it'll extend your run-way on the heavy lifts, letting you focus more time on the "once or twice per month" videos that get you really excited.
Tbh 2 full videos a week is crazy. Theyd be better off doing 4 videos a month on part time basis.
That's the kick, you don't make 2 "full" videos a week. You make a full video (maybe) and you make a "News" segment about what's happening in the community and then maybe you do a spotlight video on something - models/indie board games/etc. That's 3 videos a week. You could add a livesteam Q&A or battle report to bring that to 4 no problem.
What I assume is TTT's problem is that of their 5 full-time staffers, none of them are specialists. So you have a lot of inefficiencies happening. That's fine if you're just out here having fun, but if you want to make youtube your job, you need to dial that in and find the efficiencies. The profit margins are only really good if you're a very large youtuber, or if you keep your costs small - and 5 full-time staffers is a very large staff for a single youtube channel.
Great video man. I’d say starting by doing polls and or communication with their community to get feedback
It would really suck for TTT to go. They're one of my all time favourite hobby channels, and the sheer variety of their content really appeals to me.
Been watching you Majorkill since 2021, since my first son was born. Watching Lore videos, watching you grow your channel bravo mate keep it up. Love the content 👌
Its ironic. Your videos havent been recommend in i dont know how long, probably a year, but I do get TT videos especially the announcement. I really appreciate hard truths paired with suggestions and offers of support, rather than just levy criticism with no reasonable action. Big ups.
First Zorpazorp, now TT. I dont want down under creators to go under.
I think one of the biggest issues for them converting YT subscribers into Patreon subs is Jazza.
I think people assume that he floats the channel from his art channel, rather than being a separate business, and this was never adequately explained.
I suspect this was also the issue with one of his other child-channels: insert art, which has already shuttered.
They've done some smart things - splitting off the Roleplay content from the TT content makes sense for not splintering the audience, but maybe that still isn't enough, and their content too broad.
I actually far prefer their channel to his own channel. The format and the content are far more interesting to me.
I don't think the broadness if really an issue. Eons of Battle is a really consistent youtube channel that also does hobby content. They have done, 40k, AoS, Kill Team, Mailifaux, Fallout, Star Wars Legion, Deadzone, Smaller Boxed Games and probably way more that I don't even remember. But the thing is their content is incredibly consistent in their style. And even when they do their news talk it still feels the same as watching their regular hobby videos even though no hobby is happening. TTT I have watched here and there and every single video feels like a different channel made it.
That and its a classic case of they didn't slow grow the business from what I can tell. It seems like they came out the gate with a full crew and tried to wait for revenue to follow. Which is a really tough way to make a successful business, because you run into exactly their issue. They never found their style, never found a formula that worked and years on they are still clearly looking at other creators and trying to figure what will work. And as money starts to run out they are doing even weirder content outside of their wheel house which continues to mess up their algorithm.
@@amn1088 yeah, now it's not that broad, but when they had their roleplay-play-alongs on the same channel, there were 2 very different audiences.
I don't care for watching people play roleplay games, there are likely people who love roleplay sessions who don't care for Warhammer (or miniatures.)
A bit off topic but you look like you do the Travolta Saturday Night Fever dancing in your freetime
Majorkill making major sense without the ausie antics? I've seen it all. Well done and well said.
Sometimes it's not the algorithm, it's just fans growing away.
There's no denying the YT algorithm is a beast in and of itself. I have just experienced the opposite. This was the first recommended video here I've gotten in nearly a year whereas I watch TTT quite frequently. Perhaps part of what the hobby needs is more comradery and collaboration so that all the good channels in this hobby we love at least get noticed, recognized, and recommended. I know, business is business and to each their own...but on the other hand, hobbyists are hobbyists and we should stand together!
For me a large part in my drop of of viewing their content was the "all over the place" vibes in the thumbnails and projects. If they had stuck to even building their sisters and tau custom armies I would've binged that like crazy
You fucking rock bro. Holy shit Majorkill. Thank you for helping them. For helping anyone you don't have to. You've grown up man.
Your vocabulary is as straight forward as always. "If your business only works when the sun is shining, then you're one storm away from getting turbo fucked." is the exact blunt reality of many things that people want to sugar coat when they say it. As harsh as wording can sound, I for one relate to it and it is with good intention. You are a good table top nerd, Majorkill. Maybe this will heard more people towards their channel. Any effort is a good one.
An outside perspective is a massive help in any business. I enjoyed the space bears series and the other custom chapters but don’t play warhammer. More custom chapter with scenery builds and battles with buyable minis would be fun.
I really like your ownesty. As somebody who ramped up 2 start ups. I can only say that your ansysis for me feeld stop on. Also very cool from you to give them feedback. I really hope they are listening.
Appreciate you signal boosting them. I've been watching them since Jazza resurrected the channel a few years ago.
Ended up joining their Patreon to help keep them from going under when they released the panic video. I don't wanna see a pillar of the community go like this.
boy, reddit is going to LOVE this one.
I’ve seen so many posts on Reddit with Raven Guard chats posting pictures of your Raven master model.
Love you actually watch and comment way more than others in this community.
Pure 40K Chad….lol😂
I LOVE it when channels have a standard thumbnail that is either colour coded or imaged so you can see a series from the home page. Or recognize it on the home page
As a patron of TTT i can wholeheartedly say i love the patron community and i feel like i get something for my money!
I love the TTT team and its really cool and fun to be able to interact with them and others, get their opinion on the minies we paint and so on, veri cool, can recommend! If not for that then for coffee bits!
Speaking from personal experience (not UA-cam but similar), the business side can not be ignored. I think you hit the nail on the head MK. Either lower costs or develop alternative income based on the channel. Create something people want and need.
Haven’t watched you in like 6 months but I did an exception for this one.
You seem to have matured a lot regarding business. Cool to see 🙂
Never heard of that company. Then again there are quite a few Warhammer UA-camrs.
Yeah the algo is rough on consistent side
To be brutally honest, I think the "cast" or "talent" is fairly weak.. That doesn't help when there's 3 of them
I think they're good and they put out some interesting content, but funnily enough they probably represent the average gamer more than channels like Squidmar or MarcoFrisoni who represent the insanely skilled professional modellers/painters even though the whole reason they're struggling is they're all professionals who need to get paid (i.e. it's not just a hobby for them). Probably part of their problem is Jazza tried to run it like one of his art channels but with a much smaller scope of only wargaming while employing 5 people. With 5 people I'd think it necessary to have side products and use YT as the marketing for those products rather than the other way round of trying to make money off YT itself, Space Bears were cool but they need more of that. I don't think any of them are professional 3D modellers though, I've made some 3D models in my time and if you aren't a pro, it's insanely time consuming.
I'm a big fan of TTT, have been since Jazza started it with his Blood Angel's video. Honestly, I couldn't agree more with what you're saying here. I personally loved their HH videos, the personal army videos, Dave's alpha legion showcase, and the huge effort they put into that titan board. But I don't care about odd things they keep post every other day. IDC about AoS, or battle reports, I just like seeing their unique take on warhammer. Show more personality in their videos for each of the cast; I wanna see Dave's alpha legion or his chaos traitor guard, Jen's dark elves, or Murry's Imperial guard. I also think what squidmar is doing is what they should be focusing on. BIG SHOWCASE things that would make them stand out.
I've decided to show my support through patreon as well, but I hope if they do make it out of this deficit, they take a hard look at their video options and take the right path.
It's harsh but they need to hear it. Blowing smoke up their ass and blaming the algorithm (which they can't control) is useless. You should rename this to how to do biznis as an Australian
Bucko - the reason they didn't reach out to you for the printing is because _most_ people still think that your content is the same as it was a few years ago. You wouldn't believe how often I see comments about how: _"All Majorkill does is cuss, and make dirty, cringe jokes. He literally cusses more than he says anything else."_
Aka they watched a video or two about 4+ years ago, and haven't watched anything since. Yet they are still absolutely convinced that your material hasn't matured and changed. Despite your viewers having shot through the roof since then.
This is a necessary video.
If you want to do youtube full time, then you have to realise it is a business and it needs to be treated like a business. That means making difficult calls, planning ahead and being able to be realistic about your production etc.
A single person can, with some effort, probably get a hobby channel monetised. But they will not be able to get any real money without dropping the hobby mindset.
You can't expect to run a youtube business with a hobby mindset.
I agree things at time do suck, but that’s to be expected when you run a business. Like when you fucked up the major minis you weren’t like oh production issues not my fault you took accountability and improved so the same mistake wouldent happen again.
Tough love works and brutal honesty can save a company so don't feel bad major
They seem like nice people I hope they pull through. Majorkill has done very well on his Patreon and comissioning artwork. calendars then figures, then keeping costs to a minimum with video production and appears to have a few good employees. Well done to himn
As someone who did join their Patreon after their video, I will say I agree with you on a lot of points. I think they make some great content and have fun but there's a slight lack of focus when it comes to what they produce. I think my fave videos from them have been when they're doing their conversions and creating their cool custom factions. I think they're also realizing they're going to have to diversify and have some ideas I think could be promising. I'm hopeful they're able to pull through and see videos like yours that give some brutally honest but well-meaning criticism.
As an Aussie i appreciate MajorKill for giving a mate a hand
I remember when i supported the the Kickstarter, expecting a cool space bear boxset and then i reread it and saw i was only getting STLs i died a little inside
I would like them to do more narrative things like with the space bears. More narrative battles with them, more sales towards space bears. That kill team they did was amazing! Same with them making the dawn of war table top. If they made more content like that, I would always be watching them but like you said, they all over the place lately
Respect your brutal honesty. Todays culture shuns speaking the harsh truth and it has trickled down to being weak and self pitying.
I'm going to be honest. With hobbies like these, there are so many alternatives, places where you can get stuff cheaper and now 3d printing etc. It's not a very smart idea to try and start a shop now. The guy running the local game store bought a toy shop because his game store was going well.. I fear that he made a majort mistake. The whole reason that toy store went out of business is because no one buys toys in store anymore. I mean some parents will take their kids there when they take their kids to the mall.. but most parents avoid taking their kids to the mall. They just order whatever toy is popular for whatever price is best online.
I remember going to a tobacco shop to buy some vape liquid a couple of years ago. And I told the guy I normally don't buy in store because it's cheaper online and I can order until 12 am at night and still get it delivered next day. The guy was like "wow really" .. only when I walked out did I realize the faux pas I made and how rude it was.
Starting to watch @Majorkill content years ago during the pandemic, I never would have thought we'd get a video with this level of maturity and interest. Surprised we didn't get some nudie calendar hocked at us. How the mighty have fallen. Great, thoughtful break from the norm.
There's nothing like showing love with tough love. You did good with the video majorkill
Yeah, I eft a comment on their video on the same line. It's a channel that I have no clue what it's all about other than being a warhammer channel, it's all over the place. it's very typical for creative people to not understand the creation of a conceptual identity and think that it's all about great technique or producing random cool stuff, or worse, just being different for the sake of being different. This mindset leads to inconsistency and makes hard for consumers to know what to expect and therefore won't look for what a creative produces other than maybe a one time thing. it's unquestionable the technical quality they can produce, but when it comes to business identity and concept they are all over the place and very amateurish. Really like you giving them this shout out openly and hope they turn things around.
MajorKill and Luetin09 new videos on the same day? Wew lad, I had no idea I won the lottery.
Good on you to help out a fellow UA-camr (in your honest and frank style). 🙏
I've never seen their stuff until you mentioned it now. You can't be dying off if you were never known to begin with.
Same thing is going on with Zorpazorp. For those of you who havent heard of him, he's a terrain crafter and makes stupidly huge boards. His most notable projects are The Imperial Palace (Set during the siege) that double for LI and 40k, and the White City of Minastirith ( + Osgiliath and the Pellanor).
Please, go check him out! He's another Australian youtuber (Recently moved to New Zealand)
It feels like he's just making one big fortress and calling it the imperial palace or minas tirith depending on the video. I'd watch more if the content was more varied. Every thumbnail looks exactly the same
@@FrayedBristles I can agree with the Imperial Palace bit, but even then its massively impressive. Minas Tirith, I think, is pretty on point. To each their own, though!
@veritech4884 I'm not saying it isn't cool, it just that all of those videos seem almost exactly the same. We need different content
@@FrayedBristles Yeah, Im inclined to agree. The Mark of Calth campaign should be coming back soon, which will be a nice change of pace assuming that it works the second time
Can't watch his videos ads every 5 minutes
You made really good points that kinda hit the nail on the head for me. I just stopped being interested in these projects that just seemed chaotic and rushed and the no physical prints. I would have 100% bought the space bears but I don’t have a printer. It was really disappointing to not have access to that army unless I found an Aussie printer on Etsy doing it. All your points were fair and I really hope they take the advice because I would really love to have them stay and be consistent in their content.
The ravenlord model is fucking sick. I can't justify getting one but Hoooooweeee that shit is fire.
5 team members for 250k subs is insane. Especially given how piss poor ad revenue is. Hell most channels with millions of subs get by on like.. 3 employees.
Brah its ridiculous. I do have sympathy, but its hard to when they are basically industry plants lmao. They just tried to jump into youtube as if they have been around for 10 years lol
@@Happyjethappy I'd think industry plants would have been subsidized. Honestly I'm not even subbed to em, but I paint/make terrain so yeah, it's my kind of content. Sounds like they made a lot of dumb mistakes, tbh
Its weird I would say their channel is like Eons of Battle if Eons of Battle never found their footing. EoB has an incredibly consistent style, probably because there is just one presenter. They have at least a team of 4-5 with everything they do but they have a thriving patreon that actually gives subscribers thing monthly. TTT always seemed weird to me, it always felt like every video I was watching a completely different youtube channel with just the same people working behind the scenes and many videos felt like the first in a larger series only to never see anything related to that ever again or in a few months maybe. I do think with their team before going part time they should have just taken the blueprint from Squidmar and do a big overarching project with regular videos and updates and then supplement that smaller video projects as well. Whats weird is they have done larger projects but then they always consolidate it into a single video I guess for fear people wont watch the follow ups.
Frankly I think what they have been doing as a business is looking at every other successful channel doing some of the stuff they are doing for very short periods of time and all at once then trying to evalute if its successful off a small number of videos or even a single video before looking for something else to try. Thats why they are all over the place and failing.
Liking the Klaus Mikelson look, Major 🧛♂️
I contemplated starting a UA-cam channel a few years ago doing similar content. But all of a sudden all the content creators I was following started having massive issues with algorithms, viewership, revenue, reach, etc. and it totally scared me off. Good luck to all the creators out there moving forward.
Is it me or major is turning slowly into a dark Eldar
In what way? In apperance, emotion or something else?
I'm not an consistent majorkill viewer so I haven't caught on to the things that would make it turn into a dark eldar like you have so please tell!
@@MNM-lq9te chill the f down dude I was talking about his black skiny shirt
@@bestofmoh well you could have just said that, atleast made it more obivious than talk in cryptid wording because when you say dark eldar people don't relate to that that they wear dark clothing but the depraved shit they do.
Calm down? Wtf i am calm all I did was ask a damn question why you got be so damn hostile for!?
Talk about being a jerk for no reason!
I don't think the majority of the 40k community actually cares about the tabletop side. So they are a niche in a niche. They can't go too hard, because it'll never pay off.
The harsh truth. A lot of 40k fans have never or will never play the tabletop. They enjoy the lore videos, video games, novels, etc. Games Workshop was lucky enough to build a franchise out of their universe and has grown well beyond its roots.
I agree. Im a fan of 40k but im a casual. I wouldnt get involved in the table top side. I love it for the lore.
@@mgtowmonkapprenticegang8426same i'm too a casual but to be fair i would like to sometime play a tabletop game but not the full 2000 points game but something small like killteam, atleast to see if its for me.
I love the models and i go to stores to learn how to play. But the smell is actually grotesque sometimes. LGS’s should have a shower before you enter policy. Its crazy.
In the last 4 years, that channel has never once been recommended to me, never has it cropped up to view and never knew it existed.
I’m in the uk, I’ve seen a variety of Warhammer channels, yet they are elusive.
About the algorithm, I never heard about Tabletop Time in the past but get recommended a Warhammer V Tuber with 4 subscribers.
I've watched Jazza for years, but I don't know that I've watched much of Tabletop Time's main channel, just a vid here and there. I've watched some of the Tabletop Time Roleplay stuff, which is on a different channel. I just like reading 40k books and listening to the lore, I'm not into minis or playing 40k table top. I hope they can pull through though, even if it's not my cup of tea. I really like the Tabletop time crew.
Long Live the Space Bears!
Depending on your financials maybe you could offer to do a collaboration on the Space Bears with your own models like sell some in your store a portion of the proceeds goes to help them, for a set period of time, it is a business after all or how about a game live streaming showcase some Majorkill models alongside Tabletop Time which could introduce a Space Bear model line? I'd love to see other successful UA-cam creators help each other ;p
Today I learned that not only is TT here in Melbourne, but so is Majorkill. Damn, I need to get out more.
A Majorkill-Tabletop Time collaboration on the Space Bears with actual printed stuff I could order would be worth some of my money.
I have literally never heard of this channel despite actively watching warhammer related content for nearly 8 years now
so i sense a Tabletop time and Majors Minis partnership ???? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Thank you all tubers need to here this... Which in my 12 years of expernices as a small tuber a dead channel is one that has been deleated... There is always a way you can tube as a hobby all it takes is the will to do it.