Why Were The 1962 Mets So Bad?
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
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My great uncle was on the 1962 Mets
Hobie Landrith, drafted first by the Mets in the 1961 Expansion Draft
He only played in 23 games though
@@chan-ll2mo why
As Casey Stengel said when your great-uncle was drafted, "You have to have a catcher, otherwise you will have a lot of passed balls."
@@NJGuy1973 exactly!
I remember him. A pretty good backup catcher for the Dodgers
Y4123 oh fr?
One play sums up the entire Mets season. This is how the story goes. On June 17th 1962, "Marvelous" Marv Thorneberry slammed a two run triple. Veteran Ernie Banks threw the ball to first, claiming that Thorneberry forgot to touch first base. The appeal was upheld, and Mets manager Casey Stengel shot out of the dugout. Before he could argue, the umpire said "forget it Casey, he didn't touch second either."
Because there wasn’t any free agency then they had to take what they could get !
You left off the best part, Stengel replied: I know he didn't miss 3rd, he's standing on it.
Casey used to say can’t anyone here play this game !
A team of washed up veterans and unproven rookies
There are TWO 1962 Amazin’ Mets players in the HOF, not just one. Ritchie Ashburn and Gil Hodges. You’re Welcome ☺️
Why were the 2018 Orioles so bad?
As an Orioles fan i could give you a lengthy rundown....but I don't wanna cry again😂
It's Me Seventy It's simple, they ranked dead last in the AL in runs scored and runs allowed, as well as all of baseball, as they scored 622 and gave up 892, giving them a -270 run differential.
It was simple in runs scored and allowed. But it resembles the 62 Mets more than the 2003 Tigers where the only guy over 25 of note were about to retire or named Dimitri Young/Rondell White and there was 13 rookies making debuts.
And why did the '18 O's win more games than the 03 tigers
@@1982kinger Well, the 2003 Tigers gave up 36 more runs than the 2018 Orioles (928-892) and scored 53 less runs than they did (622-591), both of those things play a big part in losing 4 more games than that dreadful Orioles team from last year.
>Title of the video is "Why the 1962 Mets were bad"
>"I'm not gonna explain how the Expansion draft, which is a major reason why the Metd were bad, worked
-_-
My great uncle was their first pick in that expansion draft
@@Karmy. My condolences to your great uncle.
That’s when I turned it off. I let slide the stupid comment, “you need a time machine to allow for free agency.” And although thge expansion draft was terrible (in 1961, the AL teams broke the rules so many times, that the AL President forms the Angels and Senators to trade with each other to get into compliance), the Angels draft a team that won 70 games in ‘61 and 86 in ‘62.
The 1962 Mets were awful but I'd say the 2003 Tigers are the REAL worst team in the modern era. This was an already well established franchise that fell 1 game short of the record. What excuse do they have? The Mets were at least an expansion team with nothing in the farm.
That team was the exact opposite of the 1962 Mets in composition. The likes of Cody Ross, Jeremy Bonderman, Mike Maroth, Brandon Inge, Carlos Pena, and Omar Infante had their best seasons 3-5 years later. It was Dmitri Young and a bunch of guys in the early 20s. A team with few veterans and tons of rookies. One of those Tigers in Fernando Rodney is still playing today
To-jet4212006-I remember t hat '03 Tigers squad. To be honest with you I actually p- ulled for them to break the r.ecord set by the '62 Mets s o they wouldn't be the kings of failure. In all honesty if yo u google the 1899 Clevelan- d Spiders, you'll find out that they were WAY worse than t he '62 Mets, going 20-134 f- or a winning percentage of .130.
Detroit just finds ways to have the worst seasons in sports 😂
"What excuse do they have?" Uhhh it's Detroit man 😂
yeah, actually, Detroit did set a record for losses that year! yeah, I was surprised to find out that the Detroit Tigers have the record for the most losses in the American League in one season.
Big strapping Craig Anderson was a fixture in the rotation contributing 16 straight losses. In one game after giving up 6 early runs, Casey walks out to the mound. Surprised, Anderson says "Hey coach, I'm not tired!" Casey then said "Yeah, but I'm tired of you." Anderson ended his career with 19 straight defeats.
“As they go for there first win”😂😂
Atlanta United were really good their first year
But no one watches soccer besides me😂
KingRaptor apart from every other country in the world. Says something about your country 🤔
Correction -- no one watches MLS besides you
@@1955DodgersBrooklyn true
@@saintsfan270 Yup. That we don't watch soccer. Canadians don't really watch soccer either. Guess we just like better sports :P
Yep but I like DC United
I went to one Mets game in 1962-080562 and saw the Mets beat Cincinnati 5-3 with my favorite pitcher Al Jackson getting the win. Great! Positive experience for me!
Anyone else notice that in 1969, both the Super Bowl and World Series were between a favored Baltimore team and an underdog New York team, and the New York team won in both of them?
And right in between them, Neil Armstrong walked on the moon.
1969 was a pretty nice year
Boston beat St. Louis in four different leagues.
Hey Jeeves and don't forget that the NY Knicks beat the Baltimore Bullets also
@@georgesetzer5283 Yes, but Baltimore only had a minor league hockey team: the Skipjacks. The Boston vs. St. Louis matchup is the only one in four different sports.
@@davidlafleche1142 not this year though.
We in Baltimore noticed.
What about the 1899 spiders-130 Ls
The sport was not as competitive then and syndicate ownership
@@bezllama3325 yeah but he said "worst season" without saying "modern era" I see what you are trying to say, however
Newt Scamander Yeah that was too long ago to actually be able to make any analysis.
What happened then was basically the owner of the Spiders if I recall was also the owner of the St. Louis Browns. The owner “traded” all the good players from the Browns and brought them to St. Louis, while the bad players for the Browns were shipped to Cleveland.
Pre 1903 doesn't count
I’m old enough to remember that team and what you left out of your report was how completely LOVED the Mets were. Their fans were wild about them. They were known as the Amazin’s.
They outdrew the crosstown Yankees who won the World Series that year.
“The worst team in Major League Baseball history”
1899 Cleveland Spiders: Am I a joke to you?
Story from 1962 was that a guy walked up to a friend of his in a bar in Brooklyn and said "Did you hear the Mets scored 19 run today!!!!" His friend said "Did they win?"
That was in 1964 when they beat the Cubs in Chicago, 19-1.
I don't think people cared that the team was so bad. Having lost both the Brooklyn Dodgers and the New York Giants, people wanted to see the Mets rather than going to the Yankees to see professional baseball since the Yankees were the enemies of both teams.
Your right. People didn't care. This was 62 and if you tore the concrete of NYC up, all you found was NL baseball. That 62 team, as bad as they were, goes down as one of the most beloved teams in NY history - end of story.
The Yankee fanbase was Manhattan and Bronx while the Giants/Dodgers was Long Island. So there was a long tradition of hating the Yankees on Long Island. We were starving for an alternative to the Yankees, and so we adopted the Mets -- win or lose. The tradition is alive to this day. I listen to every Yankee game, rooting for them to lose. My joy at news of a Mets win is lessened when coupled with news of a Yankee win. I don't feel the same way about the NFL Jet-Giants. The Jets are my team, but I don't root against the Giants.
Gil Hodges (Mets 1B in 1962) should be on the HOF also
He is now.
98% of the footage in this video is completely unrelated to the 1962 Mets. Lame.
Oops I read the title incorrectly I thought it read “2024 Chicago White Sox” 😅
That Garden State joke was great 😂
Great video tho
This is horrible, showing modern players and talking about the 1962 Mets!
2024 White Sox just equalled the record
Being a mets fan, the Mets aren’t the worst team ever in record history. The worst team were the Cleveland Spiders (Indians) in the 1800’s. Their record was 20-132 which is .130 pct.
What about the Cleveland Spiders?
Syndicate ownership
The real question is how did they win 40 games?
Don’t worry your video will say otherwise because in 7 years you’ll call them the Amazing Mets and the Miracle Mets
Well at least the Mets have 2 rings unlike the 2001 Mariners who got their asses kicked by the Yankees
We will likely be getting a new update soon. The 2024 Chicago White Sox. In an era of analytics that should not be happening. But the players clearly stopped trying.
2024 White Sox - “Hold my beer.. and glove!”
Then 7 years later won the ws
yeah, and every year leading up to 1969, the Mets finished last! as Stengel said, "You can look it up!"
Good video. To answer your question about Ashburn, I don't think he would mind it at all now, considering that 62 team, as bad as they were, are easily a top 10 BELOVED baseball team in NY history. Should have mentioned they outdrew the Yankees those early years.
I really question whether the video creator took the time to do any research on the Met's roster. If he did, he never would have added that snarky comment about Richie, who happened to bat over .300 that year.
yeah, I read Don Zimmer said to Ashburn after the '62 season, "Why are you retiring, you hit. 300?" "I couldn't stand the losing." Ashburn replied.
Many on their roster were good at one time, or at least good enough to stay in the big leagues for a decade or so. Remember, teams only carried 10 pitchers in those days, so there were more jobs for bench players. Check out Felix Mantilla's numbers. After being thoroughly mediocre since 1956, he tore up the league for the Red Sox for about 3 seasons (limited appearances in 1963, but 133 OPS+). One guy they got before he was good. Must have time traveled 35 years and loaded up on steroids.
When Casey was asked to comment on his catcher, Choo Choo Coleman, he said, “No one in the league is faster getting to the backstop on a passed ball.”
Actually that record goes to The 1869 Cleveland spiders
Casey Stengel most famous quote of the 1962 Mets was “Can anybody here play this game?”.
Another famous quote was when the Mets made four consecutive errors in the field, and Casey came out to remove the pitcher. The pitcher was angry, asking "Why are you taking ME out -- it was the fielders who prolonged the inning?" Casey responded: "You KNOW that they can't field. You have to strike out the batter."
Hey as Mets fans at least we have two rings
Is that the Freaking FCC music from Family Guy in the background?
Alex Burbidge YEP
Bartolo Colon the Ace pitcher LOL , I totally did that Team Old guy in Slugfest 2006 you could still have Julio Franco as your Starting 1B Dmitri Young at 3d and Nook Logan in the Outfield
And the Mets have been infuriating their fans ever since.
The Cleveland spiders had a record so bad which was 20-146 that team got demoted to a minor league team
The St. Louis Blues went to the Stanley Cup Finals in their inaugural season as well
The NHL doubled from 6 teams to 12 and put the 6 new teams in one division and the "original six" in the other. The Stanley Cup finals pitted the teams that came out of each division. Thus it was assured an expansion team would reach the finals.
The Blues at that time played in the so called "weak" West division while the original six were in the "strong" East division.
I've met the guy who was 3-17 at a baseball camp. He was actually a pretty good Closer, but he didn't have the defense to back him up. His name was Craig Anderson.
Because they are the Mets?
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No team was ever as disadvantaged.
Imagine losing to that team.....
How about the Tampa Bay Buccaneers? They lost their first 26 games! The first two teams they beat were the New Orleans Saints and the St. Louis Cardinals. Both of their head coaches were immediately fired.
Ashburn hit a legit .306 AND took a pay cut in '62.
But he couldn't play Center adequately any more and his lack of power precluded him from starting in Left or Right.
Mets are also tied for the most World Series wins by an expansion team with 2.
210 errors. 147 unearned runs. Ouch!
It would be fun to play a game like Strat-O-Matic, use the '62 Mets roster but substitute the players' best years of their career. The lineup would actually be quite good. The pitching...well, that would still pretty much suck.
first Nice video Mike
Stop hating on my boys
Actually, the pitching staff was competent and their ace pitched well in '62. The reason the team e.r.a. was so high is that the fielding was atrocious. The fielders were either playing out of position (like first baseman Frank Thomas at Third and Outfield), or were too old to field their position any more (Ashburn, Chacon, Mantilla), or they had never been competent in the field (Coleman, Throneberry, Cook, Kanehl), or they had gotten old prematurely (Charlie Neal, who had won a Gold Glove only 3 seasons before). If you take Roger Craig's Stratomatic card and back him with competent fielders, you've got a very effective pitcher. Jackson and Hook were far from awful. Even on a weak hitting team those three should have been 45-45 instead of 26-63.
Cleveland Spiders
Hell the 2018 Orioles almost got there
Come on the tigers where 1 off of the 120 losses, that basically counts
yeah, the Tigers have the American League record for most losses in a single season.
This probably pained mike so hard to talk about how bad his favorite team is
The Milwaukee Bucks won a title in their 3rd season. But getting Kareem & Oscar Robertson kinda helped.
Look at the rosters of some of the teams in baseball: a collection of once great players on the downside of their careers and kids who are either forced into roles beyond them or wouldn't even make a club in normal circumstances, and not much in between. The 1942 Phils with Chuck Klein and the '52 Pirates with Ralph Kiner come to mind. Though he remained formidable, there wasn't much beyond Kiner on the latter squad.
ED, BLEEPING KRANEPOOL
Hey let's not forget the 1899 Cleveland Spiders who spotted the record of just 20 wins against 135 losses. One of their games were canceled. They were so bad in fact they played most of their games on the road. The baseball season of course was a very different world from the 1962 mets days.
Here’s a bit of early Mets trivia. They did have one pitcher who had a winning record in 1962 and 1963- reliever Ken McKenzie. I saw them in the Polo Grounds in 1962, on the day that Stan Musial hit three homers for the Cardinals.
What about the Florida Panthers, Jacksonville Jaguars, or Atlanta United? Hell, the Marlins and Diamondbacks won the world series in their first five years of existence. VGK isn't the only exception, they're just the most recent.
Cool vid, though.
Wayne Huizenga bought up a bunch of Free Agents, then dumped 'em all in a fire sale.
Dave Dombrowski was behind the 2003-2006 Tigers miracle as well as the Marlins 1997 WS
Also, why am I watching footage from Dodgers playing the Mets in recent years?
It's was the Mets. Duh.
How did this team win a World Series in 7 years
thedominatior39 R Their pitching staff was unbelievable in 1969.
Gil Hodges had a lot to do with molding and constructing them.
yeah, the 1969 Mets team won with pitching, defense, timely hitting and Gil Hodges! you should have seen the managing job Hodges did with the lowly Washington Senators!!! that is why the Mets front office 'rassled' Gil from the Senators!
Tom Seaver fell into their lap. They stumbled upon Koosman by accident. Nolan Ryan was drafted late because of his early tendency to wildness. Credit Gil Hodges for realizing that Tug McGraw was much more effective as a reliever than a starter. Credit management for trading for Tommie Agee, hoping he could return to the form he had displayed as Rookie of the Year. They drafted Bud Harrelson - the best defensive Shortstop I've ever seen - out of college.
“OMG ur facing sandy koufax”😂
Poor video. Too few video clips of the '62 Mets. Wordy generalizations and videos of modern players do not substitute for specific historical accounts.
This is why it's important to cite your sources in the description cause then you yourself would've realized right off the bat you were wrong. The Spiders were the worst and Mets are the worst 'Modern'. This was 5 years ago so hopefully you do that now and it's surprising how many are channels that do sports history are still in the 'trust me bro' era.
Atlanta United is also an exception for expansion teams, if I do say so myself
ED KRANEPOOL!!!!!!
Because the Mets ownership from then to now have been the biggest incompetents in MLB history for many many reasons. Stengal was a clown who was fired from the Yankees for single handedly losing a WS. So the Mets hire him. They've hired only 1 manager who was great. That was Gil Hodges who died at 47. If he lived, the Mets would of been a dynasty in the 1980s instead of a one hit wonder.
There manager then let that team have constant cocaine fueled parties. Hodges would have never put up with that shit.
Need proof how bad they are?
2 WS in 62 years & counting.
Keep going to that little league ballpark in Queens shanting
"Let's Go Mets" while sipping on a $18 piss warm beer & chewing on a $15 raw hotdog
Pathetic!
The Mets compensated for their horrendous inaugural season 7 years later with a World Series victory in 1969.
Really sloppy and misleading account of the '62 Mets.
The front office, knowing the team would not be competitive for several seasons, drafted familiar faces and stars of the past. They hired Casey to manage, but mainly to provide familiarity and entertainment while the team stumbled on the field.
The result was the New Breed, a nickname for the fan base who came out to the park, regardless of the team's record, to cheer on folk heroes like Marv Throneberry, Rod Kanehl, and Choo Choo Coleman.
The strategy worked out; the Mets outdrew the Yankees for several years in the mid-60s,
and won a World Series in '69, years before the Mets expansion-mates in Houston ever reached the post season, although I assume the guy who posted this prefers Houston's draft strategy.
Because the manager was a clown already fired from the Yankees for blowing a WS. The front office hired him to put people in the seats & not to win. Some things never change. The worst organization in MLB history.
With the way the playoffs are now the '62 Mets would have made it.
At the beginning, you said the Golden Knights, but don’t forget about the Diamondbacks!
immediately subbed after hearing macs color and shapes instrumental
fucking fire
Imagine losing to the Mets in 1962
2024 Whitesox: Hold my beer
They are 3-22 I think we found it
As of September 4, 31-109
Record most likely to NEVER be broken
aaah....actually....I don't know! Detroit still has a ball club, and they do make some bad decisions and dumb trades!
One could argue that they were unlikely, among other things. Based on their runs scored and runs allowed, they should have won 10 more games.
Or Albert Pujols and Nelson Cruz or Joey Votto would be the Richie Ashburn of the team
In 1900 the Cleveland Spiders got promoted to a minor league team after going 30-134 in 1899
Aiden Doritos23 Demoted
Did you know when Baltimore went 47-115 in 2018 it marked the first time since the 2003 tigers that a team failed to win atleast 50 games in a season
What about 1899 Cleveland spiders they went 20-134
4:13 this might be the record the 2024 White Sox end up with lol
The Mets have won 2 world championships and lost 2 i bet you can’t hit a 60m hit or be degrom a 102 m the are good
But but not my favorite team the Rockies but also their was worse in the mlb
2024: Thy name Chicago White Sox
Did u forget about the 1899 Cleveland Spiders?
This iwas a waste to listen to.. You said nothing... go get some better writers for your sho.
the all star for the mets in 1962 should have been frank thomas
They should have played him strictly at First Base, because he was a massive liability at Third and in Left Field.
So excited to use this useful information in my apush final soon!
The 2001 Diamondbacks were an expansion team and won the World Series
The Diamondbacks enter MLB in 1998.
Yes, and their owners had money to spend on veterans like Curt Schilling, Randy Johnson, Luis Gonzalez, Reggie Sanders, Mark Grace, et al.
Yes but they had free agency.
@@NJGuy1973 yeah, and don't forget, Arizona had the best manager in baseball: Buck Showalter! he left the Yankees after 1995 and signed up with the Diamondbacks for 1996, even though they would not have a team until 1997! the team that went to the WORLD SERIES was the team he built and made!
Pretty quaint how for the Mets existence, the 62 Mets were horrendous and yet they don’t have the worse score record of the franchise and it took 50 years to see a shelling like the 25-4 Nationals mets game of 2018
They lost to the Phillies, 26-7 in 1985. Nice football score.
Ok I get it about the 60s Mets but the after that they were bad but not horrible
Melky Cabrera is hitting 331 for the pirates this year
Ed kranepool became a great player for the Mets!
7 years later... won ws
yeah, and every year leading up to 1969, the Mets finished last. and as Stengel said, "You can look it up!"
Hey why wasn’t Albert pujols in your lineup
Excuses excuses. The mets were, are, and always will be ass.