Hi Prof! The inverter was a good idea. I think the issue with using an old battery is that the electrodes inside the older batteries (probably zinc and copper) have been doing their thing for a while now and the whole process of electrons moving between the electrode plates in a gel or a sulfur bath eventually wear away the electrodes to where they are pitted and oxidized. So you never get the full current even if it measures 12 V. Eventually, it won't take a full charge. I think the battery chargers won't help because they aren't really power sources like your bench supply. They ramp up the charge so as not to explode the batteries from charging too fast.
I can’t believe I just came across this. I’ve been trying to figure mine out for about a week now and went through those same exact steps! Old 12v battery, then a car battery wired in series, then a 3amp trickle charge. I’m going to have to get one of those inverters 😅
Also its pretty easy to run one of these with NO Computer controller. If do not want to use the Drip IV method for fuel delivery u can just make a 555 timer circuit with a Mosfet or Transistor at the output to drive the fuel metering pump . Could even add a 4017 Counter chip if wanted to control even more & slow the pulses down.
More likely a bad connection to the battery. Any good working batery cable of over 10a will run it. It only needs 10a to start up for a few mins while running it's glow plug.
I got a cheap Chinese one years ago and had the same error fault so I bought a 12volt l.e.d. driver/ transformer just like you did, it's never missed a beat since. Did you unplug your first heater from the power supply to turn it off as they need to go through the cooling down cycle or they'll overheat the mother board and they won't work again.
@@SimonHollandfilms I may have worded last message wrong. You need to hold power button on unit to turn off and it'll take a few minutes while it cools. Don't turn off at mains or the fan stops and it overheats
I had to watch it twice but i am not convinced you have installed it to run reliably. The time frame for failure of the first unit fits with coking up due to the exhaust pointing up outside and not being able to drain condensate. If the replacement unit has a similar exhaust installation then that will fail in the same way too.
I prefer my buddy heater. Only needs propane to run and I use stove fans with it to circulate heat in room without any electricity being used at all. Could use it in my garage or in the middle of the woods.
I've got a big buddy heater and it heats my metal shed. The only problem is it starts to rain in there when the moisture condenses on the steel roof. The diesel heater solves that problem.
it works with a computer supply with 450w .. the overheating protection : 1. start - overheating shot down then set off . after secound start in should working ..
There are more powerful computer power supplies out there. Most PC gamers probably have an old 750w leftover from their upgrade last year. They're almost common now, so perhaps a cheap option?
Some of these Chinese diesel heaters come with a dedicated power supply for indoor use. Probably the pump fail in the first one, that’s the bit that does the annoying clicking. Once primed and running these machines use very little electrical power to keep running. I noticed your diesel didn’t look too clean, so that might be an issue. Great share, thanks Professor.
@@SimonHollandfilms I hope you do. I rely on one of those while out on the road. Even some diesel mechanics treat these things as magical black boxes, and complain about how tricky they are just to install. This one from Vevor certainly simplifies installation! Anyway, it sure would be helpful to know what goes wrong, and how to recover. So far, all I know is they need to run at operating temperature for a minimum time in order to clean up the soot filter. If the heater cycles on and off too frequently, the soot filter builds up until it's clogged and can't run.
What is the cost of the fuel per gallon, the BTU content, and the efficiency of the burner? Use that result versus just using an electric heater, providing that your electrical supply is adequate. Plus, electric heat will make you feel fuzzy good about no CO2, other than the out of sight, out of mind, coal or oil fueled generator plant. Kudos if the source is nuclear, maybe.
I think that the greatest technological advances in Heating and Lighting would come from a new hitherto unknown source. The costs of operating and the compactness in multi purpose appliances are to revolutionise how we live and work. .....bottled Sunshine.
I cannot confirm or deny that such an event ever happened. However, if a certain large US government aerospace contractor were to send an aeroloy workshop heater to Prof. Simon, he would know better than to tell anyone about it. 🤫🤐🥸🙈🙉🙊
@@SimonHollandfilms One kilowatt is approximately equal to 3412.142 BTU. So, a diesel heater with an output of 5 kW would be approximately equal to 17,060.71 BTU. I hope this helps! Is there anything else you would like to know?😇😁
I envy you the workshop that you have Prof ! But if you struggle to get the heater going, what about the dumb 'trying-to-be-a-diy' guy ! And then there's the outlet gasses that might put someone into 'kingdom-come' . 😂lol
Love your videos ! I wish you had spent more time on the actual heater instead of just the power supply. Also I hope that is a fake battery you have your metal power supply on? Something metal that Close to your battery terminals is scary .
I was kind of worried it would short out. When I was 10 my brother showed me how big sparks get from a battery and a paint roller handle. Stupid big brother. I would really like to see you break it down and show how good they are. I also purchased one and it didn’t even turn on. Have a great day. @@SimonHollandfilms
How do they know what went wrong if you dont send it back ? .. so do a teardown video and fix it :) Cold batteries have less capacity... The 80Ah isn't the amount of current it can deliver, its the capacity ... so it can deliver 40 amps during 2 hours or 8 amps during 10 hours etc. But it says nothing about how many amps it can deliver at a certain time, however a car battery is supposed to be able to turn a starter motor over so you expect it can deliver a large current. The batterie probably can deliver enough current, but the voltage will probably drop a lot which the heater doesnt like. A switched power supply will keep the voltage at 12v. Maybe you are better off putting the car batteries in series .. so then you probably have a voltage drop where the voltage stays over 12volts heh
Vevor is just a name- They just import chinese rubbish and give it a brand name to make you feel better. I test this budget rubbish all the time. jacks, wind turbines, pumps, hedge trimmers, Its all chinese budget rubbish
Be very careful with these, you only get what you pay for, I bought one but it is not as great as claimed, very poor indeed, it works, but fuel cosumption is high at about 60-70% efficiency. The exhaust temperature is very high. Buyer beware.
Vevor is just a name they use- Its all just Chinese sourced budget rubbish sold by one company with a name on the box. No better or worse than any of the chinese rubbish. How do I know? I buy this shit and test it on my channel too.
@@SimonHollandfilms Yes, operating Amperage, and Cranking or Starting Amps are separate measurements. Think of it like this. The operational or working Amps of a battery is its horse power and cranking Amps are the Nm of force it can exert in electrons all at once. Like engines, batteries loose their grunt force over time even whilst still being able to run. This becomes especially important in replacing your car battery. I will always opt for a larger cranking Amp rating over OEM specs. Say the mfg. recommends 750 cold crank Amps, I'm going to instal a 1000A cold crank battery instead. This much better combats degerdation over time and the effects of winter cold.
definitely something wrong with your heater, I've had mine running at home just on 12v car battery and trickle charger for a couple of years now. yours needs investigating
When camping 🏕 in the forest, simply plug into a Currant Bush 😂 plenty of juice
I’m not convinced that this Gentleman is not somehow related to Adam Savage…. Love the enthusiasm!
a long lost relative maybe
Hi Prof! The inverter was a good idea. I think the issue with using an old battery is that the electrodes inside the older batteries (probably zinc and copper) have been doing their thing for a while now and the whole process of electrons moving between the electrode plates in a gel or a sulfur bath eventually wear away the electrodes to where they are pitted and oxidized. So you never get the full current even if it measures 12 V. Eventually, it won't take a full charge. I think the battery chargers won't help because they aren't really power sources like your bench supply. They ramp up the charge so as not to explode the batteries from charging too fast.
What about the exhaust fumes ?
I can’t believe I just came across this. I’ve been trying to figure mine out for about a week now and went through those same exact steps! Old 12v battery, then a car battery wired in series, then a 3amp trickle charge. I’m going to have to get one of those inverters 😅
Wait a minute.
Dont Vevor make flux capacitors ?
i think so.
The school bus I rode in the 1980s-90s had one of these and it was awesome.
yes high heat low cost hot air
Also its pretty easy to run one of these with NO Computer controller. If do not want to use the Drip IV method for fuel delivery u can just make a 555 timer circuit with a Mosfet or Transistor at the output to drive the fuel metering pump . Could even add a 4017 Counter chip if wanted to control even more & slow the pulses down.
Are you not supposed to connect a Flexi pipe to an outlet for the exhaust fumes!!?
all hooked up...and it runs outside
More likely a bad connection to the battery. Any good working batery cable of over 10a will run it. It only needs 10a to start up for a few mins while running it's glow plug.
I got a cheap Chinese one years ago and had the same error fault so I bought a 12volt l.e.d. driver/ transformer just like you did, it's never missed a beat since. Did you unplug your first heater from the power supply to turn it off as they need to go through the cooling down cycle or they'll overheat the mother board and they won't work again.
ah...no i didnt
@@SimonHollandfilms I may have worded last message wrong. You need to hold power button on unit to turn off and it'll take a few minutes while it cools. Don't turn off at mains or the fan stops and it overheats
got it tanks Noel. @@noelsouthcott7320
I had to watch it twice but i am not convinced you have installed it to run reliably. The time frame for failure of the first unit fits with coking up due to the exhaust pointing up outside and not being able to drain condensate. If the replacement unit has a similar exhaust installation then that will fail in the same way too.
thank you i will check the exhaust is draining condensate by pointing down.
looks ok, i put a weight on the exhaust outlet to make sure it was pointing down...cheers.
@@SimonHollandfilms If it has no roller coaster peaks and troughs where condensate can collect then that should do it 👍
I prefer my buddy heater. Only needs propane to run and I use stove fans with it to circulate heat in room without any electricity being used at all. Could use it in my garage or in the middle of the woods.
sounds good
What's a 'stove fan'?
@@doronron7323 i have one..its a heat driven fan...a therocouple makes power from heat and turns an electric fan....no torque but kinda works
I've got a big buddy heater and it heats my metal shed. The only problem is it starts to rain in there when the moisture condenses on the steel roof. The diesel heater solves that problem.
Love that 3 n1 lathe mill drill. What kind is it
You can use a playstation power supply to run these - They are quite capable
whats a playstation?
@@SimonHollandfilms ha ha - I wish that I diddnt know! Its a gaming console power supply.
I have a 3 tonne Vevor lever winch / "come along" and it is great.
Review : 9/10. Did not levitate when temperature and pressure were increased. 😂
Cover it in aerogel 😅
@@WhatWhy42 You sir, get a cookie. 🍪
@@joshbertrand5929 Accepted Cookie 🍪
That looks like a copy of Heatport, a portable diesel heater system engineered by my brother in New Zealand.
it works with a computer supply with 450w .. the overheating protection : 1. start - overheating shot down then set off . after secound start in should working ..
thanks
There are more powerful computer power supplies out there. Most PC gamers probably have an old 750w leftover from their upgrade last year. They're almost common now, so perhaps a cheap option?
I was wondering about that myself
Some of these Chinese diesel heaters come with a dedicated power supply for indoor use.
Probably the pump fail in the first one, that’s the bit that does the annoying clicking.
Once primed and running these machines use very little electrical power to keep running.
I noticed your diesel didn’t look too clean, so that might be an issue.
Great share, thanks Professor.
thanks roger.... i might tear down the broken one to find the point if failure.
@@SimonHollandfilms I hope you do. I rely on one of those while out on the road. Even some diesel mechanics treat these things as magical black boxes, and complain about how tricky they are just to install. This one from Vevor certainly simplifies installation! Anyway, it sure would be helpful to know what goes wrong, and how to recover. So far, all I know is they need to run at operating temperature for a minimum time in order to clean up the soot filter. If the heater cycles on and off too frequently, the soot filter builds up until it's clogged and can't run.
Professor, have you seen this (F-35s Refueling and UAPs near LAX) video UA-cam won't let me post a link.
i did....strange they are over LA....its a dangerous manoeuvre
Works great in my vw bus I use a mixture of kerosene and vegetable oil
Kerosene in New Zealand is $8.00 per litre!!! thats about 4 Euro per litre
Great tip!
Very cool heater experiment.
cool way to keep warm
Worth a watch Simon - typical UK knee jerk reaction but worth looking at the series.
Are you using a CO2 detector just in case?
CO detector... i hope there is co2 in my room. ...ha
What is the cost of the fuel per gallon, the BTU content, and the efficiency of the burner? Use that result versus just using an electric heater, providing that your electrical supply is adequate. Plus, electric heat will make you feel fuzzy good about no CO2, other than the out of sight, out of mind, coal or oil fueled generator plant. Kudos if the source is nuclear, maybe.
its not great but i have 300l of free diesel so im using it up.
My place is "all electric", which means fuzzy good out of sight hydroelectric. So in a way, my heaters are powered by endangered Chinook salmon.
our electricity is nuclear or hydro
Maybe professor Simon can show us a diy nuclear power plant hopefully.
Wate min desel or oil are u running fernic oil
But where is the exhaust pipe for the heater?
It must be connected to an outdoor pipe otherwise Prof go asphyxiated.....😢
i didnt show on the film....the heater is next to a door and the pipe runs outside
Surely upside down flower pots and candles would work better Prof ?
they work too.
If I had that workshop, I would build a gyroscopic guidance module for a V2 rocket.
working on lots of secret projects ....mainly for DARPA.....ha. Dogs All Require Proper Assistance
I have one of those in my cave...
.... it keeps me on track..
🤔
@@devilliers123 you too? 😮
I think that the greatest technological advances in Heating and Lighting would come from a new hitherto unknown source.
The costs of operating and the compactness in multi purpose appliances are to revolutionise how we live and work.
.....bottled Sunshine.
l must point-out the fuel smell does not last more than a few minutes its just while its starting up... and gets going.
yes...there is very little smell as the burner and hot air are separate
I'm going to try one of those
Reminds me of the kerosene salamander heaters we used in aviation FBO’s 😮
yes...i know those...
A mains 12V 20A PSU is £20 off Amazon
yep...thats what i paid and got
Do love these, I use similar one in canal boat
Glad you like them!
Where's the exhaust ?
out the door its sitting against
Can it run on different fuel types or just diesel / heating oil? Maybe cleaning the broken unit might fix it if it somehow got clogged?
good plan...i will try and get it to run...i think there is a control electric issue
i think if you run it till it runs out of fuel it cant go through its shut down cycle so it may have coked up @@SimonHollandfilms
Or drill charger for lithium ion 14v
I do really really need this !! My house is no main heat
give one a try...discount in the description
@@SimonHollandfilms i actually will. These are more affordable than I expected thank you ❤️
I thought Lockheed Martin would have sent you a nice Aerogel heater by now.
an aerogel workshop heater....thanks lockheed martin
I cannot confirm or deny that such an event ever happened. However, if a certain large US government aerospace contractor were to send an aeroloy workshop heater to Prof. Simon, he would know better than to tell anyone about it. 🤫🤐🥸🙈🙉🙊
How many BTU?
see if i can find out...5kw is power but no btu are mentioned by vevor
@@SimonHollandfilms One kilowatt is
approximately equal to 3412.142 BTU. So, a diesel heater
with an output of 5 kW would be approximately equal to
17,060.71 BTU. I hope this helps! Is there anything else
you would like to know?😇😁
that's a pretty interesting power system. you might be tapping zero point energy.
These new fantastic plastic trucks feature a ZPM. It worked great for the first six months, but now only works if Col. Jack O'Neil is nearby.
Could be
Use drill bat lithium ion 14v
Hi simon , is 10 amp going to the job of starting up my diesel heater or is it 15 amp only... or would 30 amp work / thanks .
a car battery or a 10amp power supply will work....enjoy your heater.
@@SimonHollandfilms thank you .
When you find out heating oil is basically just red dyed "off-road" diesel... just taxed differently (US).
Fishermen get the ultimate deal on gasoil
Don't Vevor make mains powered diesel heaters? Would have made it a lot easier 🙂
maybe....they didnt have a sample machine to send me.
😂 next time they include the charger. 😂😂😂
Its not really cat safe is it 😬
i'll ask the cat..i've seen her using the heater yet.
I envy you the workshop that you have Prof ! But if you struggle to get the heater going, what about the dumb 'trying-to-be-a-diy' guy ! And then there's the outlet gasses that might put someone into 'kingdom-come' . 😂lol
only the nice creators outside....hmmmmmmmm
Love your videos ! I wish you had spent more time on the actual heater instead of just the power supply. Also I hope that is a fake battery you have your metal power supply on? Something metal that Close to your battery terminals is scary .
its now in a wooden box and sitting on the heater ....all working well. i might tear down the broken one to see how they work.
I was kind of worried it would short out. When I was 10 my brother showed me how big sparks get from a battery and a paint roller handle. Stupid big brother. I would really like to see you break it down and show how good they are. I also purchased one and it didn’t even turn on. Have a great day. @@SimonHollandfilms
and where's your exhaust?
out the door ...its sitting against an outside door
Does it get hot enough to create PLASMA ?! 🙂
Don't live where you feel like turning into plasma either. Pronounced with an e, as we say it when hot.
makes toast
So get yourself a solar panel, charge controller and your off to the races.
How do they know what went wrong if you dont send it back ? .. so do a teardown video and fix it :) Cold batteries have less capacity... The 80Ah isn't the amount of current it can deliver, its the capacity ... so it can deliver 40 amps during 2 hours or 8 amps during 10 hours etc. But it says nothing about how many amps it can deliver at a certain time, however a car battery is supposed to be able to turn a starter motor over so you expect it can deliver a large current. The batterie probably can deliver enough current, but the voltage will probably drop a lot which the heater doesnt like. A switched power supply will keep the voltage at 12v. Maybe you are better off putting the car batteries in series .. so then you probably have a voltage drop where the voltage stays over 12volts heh
Also, Prof. Simon is the real life version of Gandalf/Merlin.
hmmm merlin. must trim my beard
We've gotta get you a gnarly staff, grand pipe, and a big pointy hat.
Low Cost? It's well over $5 per gallon in many places across the US , So not so cheap for over here lol...
the heater is faulty mine runs on a car battery ok
i agree.
Vevor is just a name- They just import chinese rubbish and give it a brand name to make you feel better. I test this budget rubbish all the time. jacks, wind turbines, pumps, hedge trimmers, Its all chinese budget rubbish
What? No aerogel?🤓
hold that thought
Be very careful with these, you only get what you pay for, I bought one but it is not as great as claimed, very poor indeed, it works, but fuel cosumption is high at about 60-70% efficiency.
The exhaust temperature is very high. Buyer beware.
Vevor is just a name they use- Its all just Chinese sourced budget rubbish sold by one company with a name on the box. No better or worse than any of the chinese rubbish. How do I know? I buy this shit and test it on my channel too.
Connecting batteries of different capacities in parallel is a recipe for disaster, basic electrical engineering professor.
i had no idea...but i guess i should have wired small one into the larger one...hmmm
Simon, you know full well that Amps is not Cranking Amps, you silly noodle.
i didnt
@@SimonHollandfilms Yes, operating Amperage, and Cranking or Starting Amps are separate measurements. Think of it like this. The operational or working Amps of a battery is its horse power and cranking Amps are the Nm of force it can exert in electrons all at once. Like engines, batteries loose their grunt force over time even whilst still being able to run. This becomes especially important in replacing your car battery. I will always opt for a larger cranking Amp rating over OEM specs. Say the mfg. recommends 750 cold crank Amps, I'm going to instal a 1000A cold crank battery instead. This much better combats degerdation over time and the effects of winter cold.
definitely something wrong with your heater, I've had mine running at home just on 12v car battery and trickle charger for a couple of years now. yours needs investigating
its all ok now....but the first one refused to be powered up.
Maybe a combination of two problems. If the first heater was sensitive to