I went and saw Longlegs and three different groups of people in the theater would not shut the f**k up throughout the movie. People forgot theater etiquette. What i paid for tickets i could have gotten the 4k smh
Exactly. No amount of amenities will cover up the mess that is sharing space with other human beings in a theater. Everyone skirts around the real issue, but it's not really the price of going to the theater, or the concessions being expensive, or even the release window. It's the other humans in the theater with their service animals and cell phones and just generally bad manners
That's a shame really. We have two big movie theaters in my city but one of them is currently closed. When I saw Longless, my theatre was more crowded than any recent movie I can remember. It was a little noisy before the movie started and I was nervous, but luckily once the show started it got quiet and stayed quiet. I like to think everyone was pretty gripped by film.
I saw Dune 2 in a crowded Imax theater and it was the first time a theater crowd had been mostly quiet and not talking on their phones in like 5 years at least.
@@thegrasshopperliesheavy I saw Deadpool & Wolverine at my local Cinema last week ,only about 6 people there (early afternoon + it's been out a few weeks by then). Unfortunately one of those people thought it a good idea to have his Mobile (Cell) phone playing all through the adverts and films trailers, luckily he stopped as the film was starting (but of course he had a very large bucket of overpriced popcorn)😀.
If you have a big screen at home why go. I'll buy the blu ray and watch it in the comfort of my own home. No one ruins my movie experience and then i can watch it again any time i like. How is that not to my benefit.
As of today, I've seen 595 films this year. Zero in theaters. Am I not a true cinephile for staying home? Maybe, but I guarantee you I love films more than anyone I know and my tastes vary into every genre and decade. I also can assure you I've never been coerced into spending my hard earned money on films I'm "supposed" to be seeing instead of ones I want to see. I don't care if someone supports INSIDE OUT 2 or MURDARITAVILLE (tons of fun, btw), go watch more movies is always my motto. Passion will win out and these cinephiles will expand their horizons, shaming won't help anybody. Gatekeeping is not my thing.
I think true cinephiles have adapted. Since finishing my home theatre a year ago (converted double-car garage), I will not see a film in my local theatre again. Last eight films I saw at the cinema were ruined by people talking, taking photos, and acting like idiots. Society moved on. It isn’t a respected outing anymore. People don’t care how they act, or if the film is badly projected, if the seats are crap, or the aisles gross. It’s not an experience like it once was. So I stopped going. I buy tons a films a year. The film studios need to acknowledge those like me, who could care less of the old-school cinema experience, and want everything on physical. I do care, Heath. I care a lot and spend a fortune. I watch two films a day, and have done so every day since I turned 10. I’m in my forties now. Love it all. Every genre. And in my view, I’m the true cinephile. Just my two cents!
@@brianogilvie2181 same here. I have well over a thousand discs. The main reason I go is because so many stereo films no longer get 3D Blu-ray releases so if I want to actually see them I have to deal with the terrible theatre experience. Luckily there is a community cinema near me that was donated a Dolby 3D system but they mostly do children's movies.
I agree 100% and do the same as you. I and my wife watch 1-2 movies a day any genre, own thousands of discs, and buy new that have good reviews. Even have movie parties once in a while with neighbors. Only difference: I'm 75.
Home theater is absolutely the way to go if possible. Better sound and picture if done correctly. Plus you won't miss a second of what you're watching because you have a pause button. The only thing I miss about the theater, is catching a great comedy with a good crowd. And seen as how great comedies no longer exist, I don't have to miss a thing.
The creative teams are determined to push their worldview on us. I am the customer. I want quality. Don’t want DEI. Every lead is female. I don’t mind a female lead BUT EVERY MOVIE… a female a minority. How about a strong white male. These teams are also not being faithful to the IP/ material they represent. They preach at the cinephile - you should like this WHAT? Make what I want to see MAKE IT BIG larger than what is on streaming AND A EVENT and I will pay money to come see it. Cut corners be cheap preach at me NOT ENTERTAINING good luck getting my money and attendance.
Where are the cinephiles? This one is stuck at home. My friends who drive have zero interest in going to the theater. And I have had to face the hard truth that I no longer have the wherewithal to walk twenty minutes to the bus, ride another forty-five minutes, watch a two hour movie, and then do the whole thing in reverse. Don’t get old. What I love about this channel is it gives me the feeling of being part of a cinephile community and so I feel a little less sad about it all. Thanks for being here.
I hope you rediscover the energy to go on trips and adventures. It can be harder as you get older. I tend to find myself feeling the same, but it's always fun to go to the theater. This week I went to see Megalopolis, which was really fun, even if I thought it was very flawed, but I won't forget that experience!
I recently started going to cinemas again as I'm effectively retired. I stopped going because of people buggering about, talking, playing on their phones etc. Now I can go to mid week matinees where the few of us that are there are respectful, because we're there for the movie and nothing else. Modern franchise blockbusters don't interest me. They're just not my thing. Never have been actually. But there are plenty of new movies that are excellent. I love films all the way from the silent era through to new films.
Studios are all looking for billion dollar franchises, but they also scoop up distribution rights to movies for grown ups too. This weekend alone I'm seeing Blink Twice, Strange Darling, and Between the Temples. None of those are for the under-25 set.
@@CerealAtMidnightI just bought the Criterion Bergman and Fellini box sets which are frankly a better use of my time than watching theatrical films I'm not interested in. I am waiting for the new Coppola however.
I would watch more movies in the theater if the release windows were not miniscule. I have a life to plan, give me more than a week to see something. Give a movie a chance to build momentum.
Post covid numerous times that I wanted to see a film in the cinema it turned out that it had already been withdrawn from the cinema ridiculously quickly after release. Highly annoying.
That's my issue also. The independent cinema in my area will show a film for a week, maybe like 10 days. And the schedule is often posted only two weeks in advance. When Heath says you need to do a little work he's not wrong. Having to check the schedule constantly and see if you can fit the few showtimes into your schedule does sometimes feel like work and not fun.
This. As a middle aged adult, I have priorities in my life that prevent me from seeing everything I want opening weekend. And most movies I want to see are GONE after one week. It's so incredibly frustrating and it's a cyclical issue, which makes it worse.
Give me something I actually want to see bad enough to pay the ridiculous cost and inconvenience of going to a theatre and I'll consider it, but they don't so I stay home and watch my discs instead. Just because you realize that the theatre experience is not what it is cracked up to be doesn't mean you aren't a cinephile.
Another consideration for people like me who live in small towns is the distance from the nearest cinema. I'm about 45 minutes from my nearest cinema and almost 3 hours from the second nearest. For the past few years, every time I've gone, people will not stop taking, vaping, and being on their phones. I've been afraid to get management for fear of retaliation, especially since seeing two fights break out because someone (rightfully) complained. The last time I got a manager, the man waited at the bottom staring at me when the movie was over until he realized I wasn't alone. I love seeing movies on the big screen, I think that's how they're meant to be seen, but now I have anxiety about going to the theater, unfortunately. Thank you for your videos Heath! ❤
The big difference between seeing Jaws or Star Wars in the cinema back in the day was people had a basic understanding of cinema etiquette and of course, no cell phones. The last time I went to the cinema, a group a few rows back spent the entire time organising a surprise 21st birthday party. It became so distracting, I left.
Some good points in here. For me, personally, as well as a few hundred thousand others right now, I have been unemployed for a large part of the year, and have had to be EXTREMELY considerate of what I see. There's a ton of movies I missed this year, because I simply can't afford to go to everything, much less the thing I really want to see. I have the time, but I don't have the money. I think another big problem is that younger generations simply aren't as interested in that level of film watching. You and I are from the same general era. We had so much less on our plates, and had time for that cinephelia to really take hold. They don't. They have so many other distractions that less and less of them have the opportunity to move from casual film watcher to cinephile. As older people age out, the younger audience just isn't there, because they also have social media (which is relatively free, and in their pocket).
We don't support current movies because they are all the same rehashed crap...endless remakes, reboots, unnecessary sequels. Give me some original, quality content and I'll support it. But yeah...that mostly limits us to "smaller" films. Also, I think these unscripted episodes are my favorites. ☮
Then why didn’t cinephiles show up for The Bikeriders, Horizon, Kinds of Kindness, or Cuckoo? All original films, all major releases, all recent releases, all box office flops.
@@ajzeg01Because it’s hard to trust anything in the film culture nowadays. Even so called “old fashioned indie dramas” can still turn out to be bloated, over produced and over directed ego trips and half the experience of being there winds up seeing how many phone screens keep flickering all around you. The experience has been compromised too much and few want to gamble on it anymore. I don’t blame them one bit for staying home.
There is this “reverse snobbery” going on where it’s the cinephiles that are being disparaged. Like, people who go “I don’t watch these pretentious arty crap” or “I don’t like to read subtitles/require to think too much in my movies” and treat this like it is a badge of honor.
You're so right, and it's evident right here in the comments of this video. Cinephiles were always a niche crowd, so I suppose it makes sense that we'd eventually end up here again with those of us who really love all kinds of movies and see as many as we can taking a backseat to the mainstream.
@@CerealAtMidnight I was 9 years old seeing crouching tiger hidden dragon at the toronto film festival for its western debut that movie took over the world. Nobody was saying any of that nonsense about foreign films or subtitles. so sad to see where things have ended up especially considering the popularity of stuff like squid game in the west. i think when it comes to it the theater is not really for films anymore.....its for kids and man babies to go see bad starwars or marvel things. i dont even see movies as events anymore, all these tentpole films are only being attended because the fanbase is so rabid to be in the zeitgeist of whatever that they cant wait the 2 months or whatever it is now to see in on streaming , if it was day one release at home they wouldn't even go. everybody else is content to watch streaming on their 65 inch tvs at home where they can sit in peace and comfort I KNOW thats why horizon did middling ticket sales.... its not that people arent interested its just that they know they are gonna be watching it at home anyways where they can pause it and take a piss
My movie fix expenses are already quite big for my salary and I use it for physical media that I watch and collect an if I don't like some of them I can change the discs and get back at least some money that I re-invests in more media. I buy a lot of books and music too and they are quite often older then me. With the money from a couple of tickets and snacks I can watch like six movies at home and, if I love them, keep them forever. Greetings from Sweden!
I’m definitely a cinephile in every sense of the word, I watch films physically, streaming, and theatrically and I’ve seen a lot of the indie films theatrically this year which includes Didi, Bikeriders, Kneecap, Oddity, Daddio, and a lot more and three of them are in my top 10 favorite films of the year. I have A-list and use it frequently and usually does triple features most of the time. I wasn’t a fan of Horizon but I admire Kevin Costner’s ambition and hope Chapter 2 is substantially better and focused. I hope people start to show up for the indie films because almost every showing I’ve been to as well has been 10 or less people in the auditorium. I watch the big studio films and smaller, obscure ones, I feel like both can co-exist even though I prefer one-off films more than anything else.
@wurmhat1501 I disagree. If you're only paying attention to what makes the most money at the box office or you live in a rural area where access to a wider spectrum of films is limited, of course you would think that the best films have already been made. But anyone who writes about film, attends film festivals, seeks out work by their favorite artists, will find many great films to enjoy every year. It's a shame that many people aren't as open to discovering new films.
@@HuntersCinema I’m nit the only one who thinks this is a bad era of movies and I honestly feel this year has been exceptionally bad. For myself Furiosa and bikeriders are the only solid movies that have come out and they were flops. If deadpool 3 is your jam then I guess you’re good.
Projection is bad (cropped or not matted, out of focus, dim, or even digitally burnt-in), seats are falling apart, crowds are disrespectful, it's expensive, and theaters don't care (part of the curtain covered the corner when I saw Horizon)... not enough movies make it worth the effort. I still go almost weekly but I make a rule to only prioritize the movies that make an extra effort. To me that mostly means stereoscopic 3D - why would I watch a crappy 2D picture in awful theater conditions when I can at home, which is better in every single respect? Stereo 3D is incredible, filmmakers like Wim Wenders and studios like Pixar really understand why I see movies in a theater.
@@kelownatechkid when I saw Oppenheimer in IMAX the 70mm projector broke so they showed it on a digital projector instead. To add insult to injury it was out of focus the whole time 🤣
@@thegrasshopperliesheavy I would have rioted!! That's awful. I saw it in Toronto at the vaughan 70mm imax and luckily any issues had been resolved by that time...
they arent even bothering to replace the bulbs on projectors, ive seen so many dim barely visible projections in the last 2 years its really just inferior to my TV
Nobody should gatekeep who is and isn’t a cinephile. I’m absolutely a cinephile but I no longer go to commercial cinema. Theatrical windows are so small, I would MUCH rather wait a few short weeks and watch at home. I devoted a ton of time, energy and money into a personal screening room with a 20 foot wide scope screen. Plus, great movies are few and far between anymore. Hollywood is creatively bankrupt.
I'm sorry but "Hollywood is creatively bankrupt" is a lame excuse...and it's one that people have been saying for literally decades. First of all, most movies aren't even made in Hollywood anymore. And secondly, if you really don't like mainstream American cinema, then support indie movies and international cinema. There is plenty of that at the theaters as well, it's just that it's not promoted nearly as much
You said it. It all reeks of gatekeeping and imposing guilt trips and it's not warranted in the slightest. If audiences WERE made up of cinephiles and films were aimed at cinephiles instead of adolescents, a lot of us would probably return to the cinema experience.
@@84paratizeI’m sorry but Hollywood is creatively bankrupt. I do enjoy international and indie cinema, but I do it in the comfort and superiority of my own screening room.
It's because of the casual people I don't go, I do t want to listen to people talking or using their phones. Simple. Its the same reason I turned my back on the last judgement in the sistine chapel, I wanted an experience with that painting, what I got was people on their phones being rude and obnoxious. Now I will have to fork out for a private tour, at least I gave a decent set up home for movies. People are the problem with everything.
As I said on X, you have a luxury of being able to watch your said movies. I have an 8 screen theater and they have played zero of those films you mentioned.
Same issues with my small independent movie theater.. I do go see smaller movies and independent ones but my theatrr rarely has them… so just go see wnat you when you can and buy the movie you love :) I have waited 1 year and a half to see the boy and the heron (I waited for the steelbook) and it was very satisfying to finally see it.
I'm very fortunate to have a multiplex that shows new things, yes. For those that don't, even watching some of these movies when they hit digital or streaming helps those movies and those creators.
I am a movie lover who put together a viewing experience that is better than sitting in an auditorium. I like films and celebrate the ones that appeal to me and like to watch them a lone. So where did I go no where, it is the stories they decided to film changed
"cinephile" doesn't equal "no standards". I loved going to the cinema randomly in the day when I had a reasonable chance of seeing something that was worth my while. But these days every other trailer and every other review or editorial convinces me that films these days aren't very good. When I can watch great films at home there is no reason to watch mediocre films in the cinema while paying a high price for the ticket and probably have to deal with misbehaving other audience members.
When you talk about reviews and editorials telling you these movies aren't very good, why are you listening to them instead of me? Especially if you're watching my channel?
@@CerealAtMidnight they are not actually telling me that films are bad. It is more the opposite: they are too often overselling and hyping films that aren't very good. But with so many disappointing experiences with contemporary film in the last 10 to 15 years I filter that out. Good reviews or flashy trailers don't mean that I won't conclude that it is a mediocre film anymore.
I feel like there’s a direct correlation between the switch from film to digital, and the decline of cinephiles, not to mention the decline of movie magic in general.
At 60, I'm one of those that gave up on new films. I was in the theaters every weekend up into the nineties. After 2000, I've seen maybe 6 films there. I have a huge collection of old films now and I just prefer films made pre 1970. I'll spend my money on classic home media.
When people start behaving and respecting others, we will go back to the theater. We will go to the theater that requires phones are turned off and people that disrupt the movie are removed. Until that happens, we will continue to enjoy our home theater. This is NOT an excuse for not going, it is a reality that has pushed away from the theater experience. Lastly, those that are producing movies today by simple remolding the same piece of clay over and over again do not interest us either.
I've been at this even longer than you, Heath, and could often be heard making the same arguments (I may be the original no-popcorn, matinee guy!). But the fact is, there's very little that gets me in theaters these days. I get far more pleasure from digging up obscure '60s and '70s flicks on Tubi (what a goldmine!) or Blu-ray, many of which I've never seen--or even heard of--before, and which feature the kinds of adult subject matter and old-school stars that are in pretty short supply today. Also, don't forget the way that prestige TV (think Mad Men, Breaking Bad, etc.) basically took over where all those great '70s and '80s thrillers and dramas left off, providing the kind of adult fare that's no longer greenlit by studios (or even many indies). Steven Soderbergh summed up the problem in his famous speech from a decade or so back, when he started making films for HBO instead of theaters. So if you want to know where we theater-going cinephiles have gone, that's a big part of it!
I’ve only been to the cinema once this year and the movie was Furiosa. There are very few mainstream movies that I have any interest in seeing (which is what cinemas mainly show these days). I’m far more interested in watching independent and classic movies, that said I would like to see the new Alien movie, but will wait for the Blu Ray release and watch it at home (the disc is the same price as a cinema ticket).
When I grew up in the '70s and '80s, we were watching the black and white classics of the '30s,'40s.'50s and '60s on the midnight movies on local TV. We had books by Leslie Halliwell, Leonard Maltin, Steven Scheuer, Bosley Crowther to help us make our cinematic classics checklists. My town had two cinemas, where I could see Charlie Chaplin, Orson Welles, Powell & Pressburger, Ingmar Berman, Fellini, Jodorowsky, Rocky Horror, you name it. In college in Milwaukee in 1980, I could see new or recent Rainer Werner Fassbinder movies at the Downer Theater or the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Student Union, Fred Astaire and Hitchcock movies at the Marquette Student Union Mugrack in 16mm, Pasolini and Bunuel movies and newer films like Apocalypse Now at the student lecture hall, DW Griffith films in 35mm at the museum on the lakefront. Kurosawa, John Waters and every indie, foreign movie or classic, silent movie, or recent subversive film you can name at the Oriental Landmark Theater, classics at the symphonic performing arts center, and on and on. On top of this, I was seeing all the NEW movies, the art ones and the commercial ones. Our newspapers ALL had local critics, unlike today where there are barely any newspapers and almost no local arts writers. There was supportive and passionate culture around all of this, and the internet has fragmented the canon and led people to niches where there is no cinephile guiding principle. I was young then, and had the energy to do this because you couldn't see the movies any other way, but now we can with all the home media options. Cinephile culture as it existed is dead. I was glad to see it at its peak. I try to get to some films occasionally today, with my son, but its no longer a priority for me. Kids today are lucky to have every existing movie ever made at their fingertips, but are they even exercising that option? Some are. Remember, real cinephiles will always only be a fraction of the market. Difference is, that fraction used to catered to more than it is now. Sorry this was too long. It could have been longer, by a lot.
Yeah, you could have kept going. I'm with you. Cinephiles are a niche crowd. The thing I'm struggling to understand is how, after 7 1/2 years of making videos about movies that are usually off the beaten path, I've ended up with an audience that doesn't really seem to like movies at all. Over on my website, I just reviewed BOB LE FLAMBEUR and an early Brigitte Bardot film. You'd think that in that time and those millions of views, I'd have cultivated an audience that was interested in seeking out new cinematic experiences. Where are my people?
@@CerealAtMidnight I adore Bob Le Flambeur and most of the French movies of that era. Yeah, I guess we're all kinda into niches, my niche was pretty broad -- the entirety of classic cinema but that constitutes shockingly relatively few people. I maintain a very eclectic ecumenical attitude about it, and just wish people would broaden their horizons a bit to have the expertise they boldly assert that turns out to be usually backed with little actual viewing experience of the broad canon. I'm happy you read my "executive summary" of what could have been a novel. I appreciate what you're doing for film conversation and also your stance on actually supporting smaller films.
Born in 1971, raised in the movie theaters, hitting every blockbuster, comedy, drama, scifi and hard to find flick I could. I no longer go to the movie theaters. As others have pointed out, I can have a great experience at home and not be annoyed by so many today that no longer realize they're in a movie theater and assume they can carry on as they do at home. I do still attend my local (hour away) drive-in, The Mahoning Theater where they mostly show retro releases and feel much more of a community vibe with fellow cinephiles I've made great friends with there. I just feel today, my cinephile nature is not quenched in theaters but elsewhere.
Being a cinephile isn't a checklist and it's not a title to be handed out, it's a passion for watching movies. If you're watching something new, that's great.
I'm less open-minded about music than I am about movies. I enjoy listening to my Pandora Nat King Cole station every morning though, and he died 9 years before I was born. I do like some newer music though. I am a fan of Sierra Ferrell's music and of Dua Lipa.
When i go to the theater its usually with friends so we want to just have a fun time. We saw Alien Romulus last weekend. I rent a lot of foreign/art house films from my library but i usually watch those alone.
Im in a movie theater on average maybe 3 times a month. I go to the independent cinema that plays older movies and i do Regal. I saw This Is Where is Ends and actually kinda enjoyed it. But i also saw Deadpool and Alien because, its Alien. I WANTED to see it in the theater so i did. When i saw Horizon is was PACKED. To the point where i had a bad experience bc the audience was disruptive. Anyway, appreciate what you're doing Heath.
I love going to the theater and supporting the theater. I see what I can, but I can't see everything, money is tight. I agree with you Heath, but I and others only have so much expendable income. Can't see everything, can't buy everything, and I have come to terms with that. I saw Longlegs recently and it was fantastic.
I'm still a cinephile...I try and go to the movies at least once a month and I purchase physical media usually a few times a month. But I'm of the video store generation also.
I love movies, but I have no drive anymore to watch them in the theater. I have good patience where I don't mind just waiting a few months for the physical media and buy it, if it's something I'm interested in. There's too many negatives to going to theater. If you want to pretend that it's better now than when we were kids back in the 80s and 90's, fine whatever, have at it.
Am I suppose to go and see some movie because I want to be a hip and trendy dude? If the film isn't of interest to my tastes, then why should I go and watch it? Jeez. It's about enjoyment, not one-upmanship.
We’re right here brother #CRITERION #VINEGARSYNDROME #ARROW #SEVERIN #INDICATOR #SECONDSIGHT #IMPRINT #101FILMS #KINO #UMBRELLA and shoutout to all the overseas company’s creating professional bootlegs with slipcovers of films and shows we can’t purchase legitimately.
Paying for bootlegs is not just a scam but just plain ridiculous, learn to use a computer rather than reward pirates. Rest of the comment is reasonable
@@kelownatechkid how am I rewarding a pirate ? These aren’t the bootlegs of the early 2000’s, these are professional high definition rips , again with proper subtitles and slipcovers, these films I can’t purchase legally so I’ll gladly support someone who takes care of all the particulars etc Supply and Demand
Buying movies doesn’t mean you love movies. It doesn’t even mean you’re watching them. Collecting movies and loving movies aren’t necessarily the same thing. Cinephiles love movies first, and physical media is a delivery system.
I am not a cinephile, and I don’t go to theatres anymore, but this discussion made me look up show times and there is a lot more variety at my local cinema than pre-pandemic where it used to be only blockbusters and maybe an additional screen for other films.
What are your thoughts on older movies being re-released in theaters for a limited time? Support or not support? I did go to see Deadpool and Wolverine. During the previews, they advertised Shaun of The Dead, Coraline and Blazing Saddles all coming back to theaters soon.
I support re-releases because it makes classic movies more accessible and allows us to see them on the big screen with fellow film fans. Movies were not meant to be watched in isolation, behind closed doors, and never talked about.
A few years back I saw my all time favorite Saturday Night Fever 40th anniversary re-release at the theater. I was the only one at the screening. Sad, really.
@@CerealAtMidnight ^^ This! One of my favorite things in the world is walking out of a movie with friends and or family and sharing the discussion of what we just watched that usually lasts the whole car ride home.
It's a beautiful thing for those who don't have a revival theater in thier town,city or state. Keep'em comin' as there will always be an audience new and old for these films
@@MusicalJourneysThruCinema I saw Gone with the Wind during its 60th anniversary re-release to theaters in 1999. Yes, it only played a week, but the theater I saw it in, a multiplex in Concord, CA filled up. A big group of teenagers showed up. A friend said to me, wonder how long they will last? I nodded. Yet, they were all glued to the screen, other than a bathroom run at the intermission. Of course, this was before smartphones. I agree with others here that attention spans have waned in recent years.
I got laid off earlier this year and now I’m making less than half of what I was at my old job. And then with inflation everything is crazy expensive across-the-board so unfortunately spending 20 to 30 bucks to go to the movies has become a luxury. I did make a point to see Bikeriders though and I loved it.
For me, I’m too busy discovering movies from the 20th century to mess with the 21st century movies. I usually wait a few years for a newer movie to build a reputation before I gamble my time with it. I just know I’m more likely to enjoy the films from many decades ago.
I do think price is a big factor and the movies being made. There used to be a LOT more tiny theaters showing cheap movies. Now, theaters are like going to the amusement park with reclining seats and a premium cost. I've checked out. I blind buy a ton of Blu-rays and UHDs. If something is interesting to me, I just wait, buy it and watch it at home. I really don't value the theater experience anymore truthfully. If we still had tons of smaller indie theaters and more importantly, tons of smaller movies being made and shown at those theaters, maybe I'd go but I'd honestly just rather watch at home now.
Are we getting to the point, where the only support that counts is, you saw it on opening weekend? I can't see it the next week, buy it on disc, or pay to rent it? Those things used to matter, but I don't know if it does anymore.
Cinephiles these days are really home Cinephiles because of the highend OLED from LG and Sony. On top of that with Denon and Yamaha receivers. And the release of 4K dics. However, you are right.
Just watch the trailer...they show you the whole movie these days 😂 But seriously, I rarely get into today's films when there are so many PROVEN classics from the past that I still want to watch. And I have the luxury of a nice basement home theater with a 130" projected image so I mostly do physical media and occasional streaming at home. Very convenient and no dealing with driving, noisy people, etc.
Marketing is part of it. I see so many people acting like the big tent pole movies, the popcorn movies, like Deadpool and Wolverine, are the only movies being made. I’ve seen plenty of great movies this year that I might not have except I heard about it online. On top of that a lot of those movies were only playing at one theatre in my area, sometimes on a limited run.
I respect that you can do this. I cannot. I live in a 1 theater town. I can't articulate how many of the movies you're talking about never make it to our theater, and when they do, it is two months later, after being released on video, for two days(Sunday and Wednesday). Frankly, flashback movies get more airtime here than the niche movies you're describing. I do NOT have the time to drive the 45-100 miles to see these movies first run.. I also can't understand how the showtimes have shifted so much that the majority of movie times are during the standard workday, or start just prior to when I get off at 4pm, which leaves exactly 1 showtime available per day, assuming the movie makes it. We don't even have a second run theater here. Don't even get me started on the people going to theaters and treating them like their homes. Wearing Pajamas. Bringing blankets. Being noisy. I'm not even going to talk about life and the fact that sometimes, time doesn't allow for first run movies. I'm glad some people can do it. I struggle to even see franchise movies these days, and rely on my collection to fill any gaps.
@@CerealAtMidnight I answered in the vein of why it is difficult to support these films in the theater. I do watch many of those types of things at home when released. In fact, that is the only way we can watch many of the movies we actually want to see.
The vast majority of the movies that come to my local theatre aren't worth supporting. We only have a 4 screen location, so its always Marvel or children movies.
Any puff piece written by Variety turns me off. Depends on how you define what a Cinefile or is but I am happy to support decent movies. Some good stuff but generally watch my back catalogue and picking up remastered discs
I'm not exactly what you'd call a cinephile. I'll expose myself to different genres enough to get a feel for them, but as I get older, I'm learning to prioritize the genres that attracted me to film in the first place. Forcing myself to watch stuff because it's new or because it's getting raves is just not a pleasurable experience most of the time. After spending so much time in the theaters, I'm much more astute as to which films I should generally avoid, which may have nothing to do with the film's quality per se. When it comes to something I normally enjoy like horror sci fi, and thrillers, I'll go watch them even if they get negative reviews. I think the simple reason older people don't go as often is because they realize they don't have all the time in the world to waste on something they may not like when they have so many options to buy or stream movies from their favorite genres, directors, or actors going back several decades. Another reason could be that older moviegoers prefer to go to the theater during the week when it's less crowded. This would have worked out better in the past when theaters allowed non tentpole movies to play for 2-3 weeks or longer. Nowadays, a lower budget film can be bumped out of the theaters in less than a week given the high turnover of blockbusters. They also hardly receive any promotion leading up to their release let alone after they open. I've actually heard about more under the radar stuff coming out this year. Although overall sales are lower this year, this year may be more profitable due to a less packed release schedule post strike. I doubt studios will learn any lessons from this though and will churn out much more content by this time next year. And while studios have been releasing indie films quite regularly in theaters, they have really shortchanged mid budget films by dumping them onto streaming services. These were the type of films that normally attracted an older audience and not just cinephiles.
I agree, I am very selective. My family and I went to see Longlegs and Dead Pool this summer. We like to see at least two or three films in the theater during the summer. We love going to the theater and try our best to see films wherever. We also go to Mahoning Drive Inn.
You kind of hinted at a point I don’t often hear discussed. The issue of people being too wrapped up in identifying “agendas” in media and being against anything that allows them to see a different point of view or forces them to get outside of their bubble.
distributors aren't willing to take any risks at all. the most interesting film i've seen this year was last summer. i live in a big city and it only had four screenings across two days at a small arthouse theater. finding somewhere playing interesting films is difficult enough in my city, i can't imagine what it's like in the rest of the country.
Great video! Also, I love the Amoeba t-shirt. I was in the Bay Area a couple of weeks ago and had the chance to visit their stores in Berkeley and SF. I'd forgotten how amazing their stock of used movies is. Glad to see you supporting the store.
Well, Heath, I agree and don't agree. My wife and I got together for genre films, and we have continued with the hobby for years. I honestly believe that the poor quality of contemporary cinema has burned many of us out. I used to visit the theatre once a week, and I can't remember a single film.
I don't really go to the movies anymore (aside from drive-ins) on the count of all the rude and inconsiderate people that have to talk out loud during the movie or they have to play on their phones and ruin movies for everybody. What's more, the theater chains just don't care in the least. It's been going on for YEARS. Guess the theaters don't need my money.
I am checking out an indie horror flick tonight called "Stream". It is only showing in one theater by me for two nights. Have not seen a trailer, only stills. I am going to buy a ticket and a popcorn to support indie movies and the theaters that give them a chance.
Just my experience living in a "small town" of about 180,000 people. We only have one theater here, a 14 screen Cinemark. They play "smaller" films like Maxxxine and Cuckoo for 8-9 days in small theaters with nearly every screening sold out except for the front row. Then the film leaves. I mean if you can't make it within those 8-9 days or you don't want to sit in the front row or sit next to a stranger then you don't get to see the movie. Horizon actually did well here. It played for almost 3 weeks with each showing that I saw sold about 70-80% of the seats. Then it left. To be fair every screening of Deadpool or Despicable Me 4 is nearly sold out too but most releases in a place controlled by major chains are blink and miss them with less than 2 week runs. The theaters are turning money away by getting rid of films that are doing well and they don't care about offering viewers much choice. I don't bother checking the times anymore. I used to see 2-3 movies a week and now I see 2 a month. Theater going isn't what it used to be. The studios and theater chains are working hand in hand to diminish the experience and thus we have little movie culture and word of mouth buzz left.
Multiplexes are soulless are dull. The tickets are expensive no matter how you slice it. The experience is no longer cinema, especially for those that remember.
Film Bros and Movie “Elitists” is my biggest issue when it comes to being a Cinephile, I LOVE the movies and i consider it therapeutic going to the Movie theater.
Anytime I start talking about supporting movies and expressing my opinions about those who don't, I'm accused of gatekeeping. Gatekeeping is primarily about keeping new people out. I'm actually begging people to come in.
@@CerealAtMidnight It’s only wanting more people in when it’s the movies you deem a cinephile should be supporting in theaters and week one. Like I said the comment section isn’t really the place to articulate this though.
@@timtalkstalkiesyout not a true cinephile and your the people he is talking about. Dont support small films . An just care about the big budget caveman films. Seen your videos and not even a collector as you toss slips and don't care about the packaging and having films in your collection as there are meant to be . Slips and j cards matter.
@@Keithf66666 So much to unpack here lol. The fact that you think being a collector is linked to piece of cardboard is pretty telling to be honest. As for what I watch and support if you’ve supposedly watched my videos you’ve seen a wide mix from of movies domestic and foreign. But maybe the lack of slipcovers maybe that difficult to see. Anyway have a great day my friend and enjoy the cardboard.
@@timtalkstalkies it's not complete without the slip or j card . Why the way you collect is wrong. Enjoy your caveman films . An we will look down our noses to you.
I work 50 hours a week at nearly 60 years old. Still I watch 5 to 8 films a week at home. Im not sorry at all I dont go to cinema the way I used to. Its not the money. I just don't have time to go watch garbage. I go when I know I will enjoy the film.
Heath, it sounds like you're advocating quantity over quality. You want enthusiasts to see a high quantity of content, in order to help ensure a high quantity of content continues to be created. Enthusiasts always gravitate more towards quality. We're all limited on time, and none of us want to waste it on inferior experiences. Advocate the best quality. That sends the best financial message to the producers and studios. If the future of our passion still holds quality, but lacks quantity, we'll be far more satisfied than if it holds quantity, but lacks quality.
The quantity over quality argument requires knowledge ahead of time that the movies are quality, which is impossible. We enter into the experience blindly, letting the film take us where it will go.
In defense of the cinephiles I would say the average cinephile spends much more money in the national movie economy than any casual viewer. Motion pictures have undergone many transformations in a mere century. Who knows what the future of this still infant art may hold. PS I agree with you about the Bike Riders. Great film. Tom Hardy has become my most respected actor in film.
Cinephiles are definitely spending more money. As a creator yourself, it must irk you to no end to see poeple saying that nothing new is worthwhile and that the only good movies were made decades ago. I'm with you on Tom Hardy. He's on another level.
I haven't been to a movie theater since my divorce in 1997. No fun going to a movie alone. If there's a movie I really want to see, I just wait for the home video release.
And it's not just AMC A-list, most theaters have a similar program. Let's be honest, it's an excuse. Many of these people aren't watching these movies at home, either. They've simply given up on new things. "New movies are yucky."
@@CerealAtMidnight idk man they're showing the matrix in my city and a ticket is 17 dollars. It's a joke, I have to pay 20 bucks after tax to see a 25 year old film and deal with idiots talking on their phone. There's a reason people prefer home theater...
100% getting regal subs for my fam has been a huge win. We go together at least once a week and take chances on movies we wouldn't have in the past. It also ends up being one of the cheapest things we can do as a family, even on the spur of the moment.
I wouldn't say I want to watch EVERY movie I can, but my partner and I watch around 5=10 movies a week, from blockbusters to arthouse to garbage action movies! I buy my favourites on blu-ray, but I pick up a lot of cheap movies on DVD, just to explore what's out there. It's really fun. AND we try to go to the cinema a couple of times a month. It's a fun evening out. If you like movies and you want to... you know... go outside from time to time, go to the cinema!
I tried to support movies at my theatres that are not contemporary Hollywood product. The last time I was is a theater was to see "Decision to Leave." I wanted to go see the Zellner brothers' "Sasquatch Sunset." It never showed in my major metropolitan area but the DVD appeared in my library about a week later. According to Heath's definition I am no longer a cinephile because I don't support a bunch of Hollywood BS.
Highly highly highly recommend that everybody go out and see Strange Darling this weekend if they can. Probably my new favorite movie of the year. Go in as blind as possible and enjoy the ride. Gotta support our indie movies
The last three movies in the cinema I went to see with friends were 'Napoleon' - 'Oppenheimer' & the latest Raiders movie. The first two were excellent on IMAX - The Raiders movie was not in IMAX but was shown on the largest of screens and it looked very over-blown and dull. We didn't complain as the first 40 minutes were night scenes and by the time the daylight section started and the image was still very dull - it seemed too late to do that.
I’ve switched over from the Cineplex to my local indie theatre. They show things I’m actually interested in seeing. I go to the Cineplex every Tuesday just so I’m not completely out of touch with what’s coming out but I really go to the indie theatre way more. They were the only place showing films like Sasquatch Sunset, I Saw the TV Glow, Aggro Dr1ft, Robot Dreams, In a Violent Nature, and The People’s Joker, some of my favourite movies of the year. Can’t see that at the Cineplex. They show lots of classics too, so I’m all set! Support indie movie theatres.
I won't pretend to know the answer but one thing that worries me is that at some point there will be no infrastructure left, meaning most Cinemas will have shut down and the few remaining ones will be where the "Cinephiles" go but the ticket price will most likely be as expensive as a new 4k disc. It's just sad if we lose 99% of the Cinemas. Perhaps this recent trend of showing old classics and selling Cinema exclusive merch like the Alien: Romulus popcorn buckets might help more theaters stay alive?
I think the real cause of the vanishing cinephile is inflation; it keeps getting worse. A lot of people in minimum wage jobs can no longer afford to go to the cinemas... Where are all the Drive-Ins??? The drive-ins were for the working man when he finally gets a day off from work. Those of us who have to work full time hours just to get by don't have much spending money for non-essential things anymore. Something has to change or the entertainment industry is going to collapse.
Heath, you are saying exactly what I've been thinking for the last year or so. I've been making a point of seeing, literally, anything other than the biggest release of the week. Movies I've seen in the theater worth checking out are GHOSTLIGHT, CUCKOO, and DIDI.
I watch about 300 movies a year from the 1920s until now. Unfortunately, at least in my region, there's just no reason to see anything in a theatre anymore. I get a better experience at home. Sometimes Ill go to a local repertory screening if its a special, unique, presentation, such as 35 mm. Otherwise, most theatres just try to attract you with gimmicky seating and ridiculous concessions all the while the projector is set up incorrectly. Theres a lot of reasons why not to go to the theatre these days but the big one is that the theatrical presentation is just subpar. Theatres need to do better. Reduce the number of screens and just give us a good quality show. The New Beverly sells out constantly. My god if I had one of those in my neighborhood I would live there!
Matt Damon explained why good character driven movies are no longer financially feasible. The great romcom, comedies, and character driven dramas are sparse. Yes, there are some here and there. bikeriders is a good example, but it's an exception to the rule. I strongly suggest getting into 2 channel hifi. The amount of quality music is endless.
The truth is, the films they are making are not worth watching.
I went and saw Longlegs and three different groups of people in the theater would not shut the f**k up throughout the movie. People forgot theater etiquette. What i paid for tickets i could have gotten the 4k smh
Exactly. No amount of amenities will cover up the mess that is sharing space with other human beings in a theater. Everyone skirts around the real issue, but it's not really the price of going to the theater, or the concessions being expensive, or even the release window. It's the other humans in the theater with their service animals and cell phones and just generally bad manners
That's a shame really. We have two big movie theaters in my city but one of them is currently closed. When I saw Longless, my theatre was more crowded than any recent movie I can remember. It was a little noisy before the movie started and I was nervous, but luckily once the show started it got quiet and stayed quiet. I like to think everyone was pretty gripped by film.
I saw Dune 2 in a crowded Imax theater and it was the first time a theater crowd had been mostly quiet and not talking on their phones in like 5 years at least.
Horror movie audiences are the worst. They don’t care about the movie. They just wanna act tough.
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I saw Deadpool & Wolverine at my local Cinema last week ,only about 6 people there (early afternoon + it's been out a few weeks by then).
Unfortunately one of those people thought it a good idea to have his Mobile (Cell) phone playing all through the adverts and films trailers, luckily he stopped as the film was starting (but of course he had a very large bucket of overpriced popcorn)😀.
If you have a big screen at home why go. I'll buy the blu ray and watch it in the comfort of my own home. No one ruins my movie experience and then i can watch it again any time i like. How is that not to my benefit.
As of today, I've seen 595 films this year. Zero in theaters. Am I not a true cinephile for staying home? Maybe, but I guarantee you I love films more than anyone I know and my tastes vary into every genre and decade. I also can assure you I've never been coerced into spending my hard earned money on films I'm "supposed" to be seeing instead of ones I want to see.
I don't care if someone supports INSIDE OUT 2 or MURDARITAVILLE (tons of fun, btw), go watch more movies is always my motto. Passion will win out and these cinephiles will expand their horizons, shaming won't help anybody. Gatekeeping is not my thing.
Well said
I think true cinephiles have adapted. Since finishing my home theatre a year ago (converted double-car garage), I will not see a film in my local theatre again. Last eight films I saw at the cinema were ruined by people talking, taking photos, and acting like idiots. Society moved on. It isn’t a respected outing anymore. People don’t care how they act, or if the film is badly projected, if the seats are crap, or the aisles gross. It’s not an experience like it once was.
So I stopped going.
I buy tons a films a year. The film studios need to acknowledge those like me, who could care less of the old-school cinema experience, and want everything on physical.
I do care, Heath. I care a lot and spend a fortune. I watch two films a day, and have done so every day since I turned 10. I’m in my forties now. Love it all. Every genre. And in my view, I’m the true cinephile. Just my two cents!
@@brianogilvie2181 same here. I have well over a thousand discs. The main reason I go is because so many stereo films no longer get 3D Blu-ray releases so if I want to actually see them I have to deal with the terrible theatre experience. Luckily there is a community cinema near me that was donated a Dolby 3D system but they mostly do children's movies.
I agree 100% and do the same as you. I and my wife watch 1-2 movies a day any genre, own thousands of discs, and buy new that have good reviews. Even have movie parties once in a while with neighbors. Only difference: I'm 75.
Home theater is absolutely the way to go if possible.
Better sound and picture if done correctly. Plus you won't miss a second of what you're watching because you have a pause button. The only thing I miss about the theater, is catching a great comedy with a good crowd. And seen as how great comedies no longer exist, I don't have to miss a thing.
Two films a day? Do you work?
The creative teams are determined to push their worldview on us. I am the customer. I want quality. Don’t want DEI. Every lead is female. I don’t mind a female lead BUT EVERY MOVIE… a female a minority. How about a strong white male. These teams are also not being faithful to the IP/ material they represent. They preach at the cinephile - you should like this WHAT? Make what I want to see MAKE IT BIG larger than what is on streaming AND A EVENT and I will pay money to come see it. Cut corners be cheap preach at me NOT ENTERTAINING good luck getting my money and attendance.
Where are the cinephiles? This one is stuck at home. My friends who drive have zero interest in going to the theater. And I have had to face the hard truth that I no longer have the wherewithal to walk twenty minutes to the bus, ride another forty-five minutes, watch a two hour movie, and then do the whole thing in reverse. Don’t get old.
What I love about this channel is it gives me the feeling of being part of a cinephile community and so I feel a little less sad about it all. Thanks for being here.
I hope you rediscover the energy to go on trips and adventures. It can be harder as you get older. I tend to find myself feeling the same, but it's always fun to go to the theater. This week I went to see Megalopolis, which was really fun, even if I thought it was very flawed, but I won't forget that experience!
I prefer the old movies much better than current ones
I recently started going to cinemas again as I'm effectively retired. I stopped going because of people buggering about, talking, playing on their phones etc. Now I can go to mid week matinees where the few of us that are there are respectful, because we're there for the movie and nothing else. Modern franchise blockbusters don't interest me. They're just not my thing. Never have been actually. But there are plenty of new movies that are excellent. I love films all the way from the silent era through to new films.
As someone who works for a major studio I can tell you this home truth: If you are over twenty five, Hollywood is not making movies for you.
Studios are all looking for billion dollar franchises, but they also scoop up distribution rights to movies for grown ups too. This weekend alone I'm seeing Blink Twice, Strange Darling, and Between the Temples. None of those are for the under-25 set.
@@CerealAtMidnightThey are picking up additional movies but in general older folks (like me) aren't going. I even turn down company screenings.
Well, maybe you should start going. That's the point of the video. Older, more mature movie fans have pretty much given up.
@@CerealAtMidnightI just bought the Criterion Bergman and Fellini box sets which are frankly a better use of my time than watching theatrical films I'm not interested in. I am waiting for the new Coppola however.
I would watch more movies in the theater if the release windows were not miniscule. I have a life to plan, give me more than a week to see something. Give a movie a chance to build momentum.
Post covid numerous times that I wanted to see a film in the cinema it turned out that it had already been withdrawn from the cinema ridiculously quickly after release. Highly annoying.
That's my issue also. The independent cinema in my area will show a film for a week, maybe like 10 days. And the schedule is often posted only two weeks in advance.
When Heath says you need to do a little work he's not wrong. Having to check the schedule constantly and see if you can fit the few showtimes into your schedule does sometimes feel like work and not fun.
This has to be one of the biggest issues. They are on streaming in a month or 2.
This. As a middle aged adult, I have priorities in my life that prevent me from seeing everything I want opening weekend. And most movies I want to see are GONE after one week. It's so incredibly frustrating and it's a cyclical issue, which makes it worse.
Give me something I actually want to see bad enough to pay the ridiculous cost and inconvenience of going to a theatre and I'll consider it, but they don't so I stay home and watch my discs instead. Just because you realize that the theatre experience is not what it is cracked up to be doesn't mean you aren't a cinephile.
Another consideration for people like me who live in small towns is the distance from the nearest cinema. I'm about 45 minutes from my nearest cinema and almost 3 hours from the second nearest. For the past few years, every time I've gone, people will not stop taking, vaping, and being on their phones. I've been afraid to get management for fear of retaliation, especially since seeing two fights break out because someone (rightfully) complained. The last time I got a manager, the man waited at the bottom staring at me when the movie was over until he realized I wasn't alone. I love seeing movies on the big screen, I think that's how they're meant to be seen, but now I have anxiety about going to the theater, unfortunately.
Thank you for your videos Heath! ❤
The big difference between seeing Jaws or Star Wars in the cinema back in the day was people had a basic understanding of cinema etiquette and of course, no cell phones. The last time I went to the cinema, a group a few rows back spent the entire time organising a surprise 21st birthday party. It became so distracting, I left.
Shoulda got the manager
@@fridaynightnicktoons6885 someone else tried but couldn’t find anyone.
Some good points in here. For me, personally, as well as a few hundred thousand others right now, I have been unemployed for a large part of the year, and have had to be EXTREMELY considerate of what I see. There's a ton of movies I missed this year, because I simply can't afford to go to everything, much less the thing I really want to see. I have the time, but I don't have the money. I think another big problem is that younger generations simply aren't as interested in that level of film watching. You and I are from the same general era. We had so much less on our plates, and had time for that cinephelia to really take hold. They don't. They have so many other distractions that less and less of them have the opportunity to move from casual film watcher to cinephile. As older people age out, the younger audience just isn't there, because they also have social media (which is relatively free, and in their pocket).
Good point on other media distractions these days. I'll often find myself stuck on UA-cam for hours instead of watching a film.
I’ve been frequenting the Drive-In.
We don't support current movies because they are all the same rehashed crap...endless remakes, reboots, unnecessary sequels. Give me some original, quality content and I'll support it. But yeah...that mostly limits us to "smaller" films. Also, I think these unscripted episodes are my favorites. ☮
Then why didn’t cinephiles show up for The Bikeriders, Horizon, Kinds of Kindness, or Cuckoo? All original films, all major releases, all recent releases, all box office flops.
@@ajzeg01Because it’s hard to trust anything in the film culture nowadays. Even so called “old fashioned indie dramas” can still turn out to be bloated, over produced and over directed ego trips and half the experience of being there winds up seeing how many phone screens keep flickering all around you. The experience has been compromised too much and few want to gamble on it anymore. I don’t blame them one bit for staying home.
Just feels like an Angry Rant video.😆
There is this “reverse snobbery” going on where it’s the cinephiles that are being disparaged. Like, people who go “I don’t watch these pretentious arty crap” or “I don’t like to read subtitles/require to think too much in my movies” and treat this like it is a badge of honor.
You're so right, and it's evident right here in the comments of this video. Cinephiles were always a niche crowd, so I suppose it makes sense that we'd eventually end up here again with those of us who really love all kinds of movies and see as many as we can taking a backseat to the mainstream.
@@CerealAtMidnight I was 9 years old seeing crouching tiger hidden dragon at the toronto film festival for its western debut
that movie took over the world. Nobody was saying any of that nonsense about foreign films or subtitles.
so sad to see where things have ended up especially considering the popularity of stuff like squid game in the west.
i think when it comes to it the theater is not really for films anymore.....its for kids and man babies to go see bad starwars or marvel things.
i dont even see movies as events anymore, all these tentpole films are only being attended because the fanbase is so rabid to be in the zeitgeist of whatever that they cant wait the 2 months or whatever it is now to see in on streaming , if it was day one release at home they wouldn't even go.
everybody else is content to watch streaming on their 65 inch tvs at home where they can sit in peace and comfort
I KNOW thats why horizon did middling ticket sales.... its not that people arent interested its just that they know they are gonna be watching it at home anyways where they can pause it and take a piss
My movie fix expenses are already quite big for my salary and I use it for physical media that I watch and collect an if I don't like some of them I can change the discs and get back at least some money that I re-invests in more media. I buy a lot of books and music too and they are quite often older then me. With the money from a couple of tickets and snacks I can watch like six movies at home and, if I love them, keep them forever. Greetings from Sweden!
I’m definitely a cinephile in every sense of the word, I watch films physically, streaming, and theatrically and I’ve seen a lot of the indie films theatrically this year which includes Didi, Bikeriders, Kneecap, Oddity, Daddio, and a lot more and three of them are in my top 10 favorite films of the year. I have A-list and use it frequently and usually does triple features most of the time. I wasn’t a fan of Horizon but I admire Kevin Costner’s ambition and hope Chapter 2 is substantially better and focused. I hope people start to show up for the indie films because almost every showing I’ve been to as well has been 10 or less people in the auditorium. I watch the big studio films and smaller, obscure ones, I feel like both can co-exist even though I prefer one-off films more than anything else.
Current movies aren’t very good and the more refined my taste becomes the more I realize that all the best movies have already been made.
100%...probably my main argument for not watching current offerings.
@wurmhat1501 I disagree. If you're only paying attention to what makes the most money at the box office or you live in a rural area where access to a wider spectrum of films is limited, of course you would think that the best films have already been made. But anyone who writes about film, attends film festivals, seeks out work by their favorite artists, will find many great films to enjoy every year. It's a shame that many people aren't as open to discovering new films.
@@HuntersCinema I’m nit the only one who thinks this is a bad era of movies and I honestly feel this year has been exceptionally bad. For myself Furiosa and bikeriders are the only solid movies that have come out and they were flops. If deadpool 3 is your jam then I guess you’re good.
You’re just not looking hard enough then. Look at what’s coming out at film festivals and seek those movies out.
Most movies aren't worth the money any more.
Projection is bad (cropped or not matted, out of focus, dim, or even digitally burnt-in), seats are falling apart, crowds are disrespectful, it's expensive, and theaters don't care (part of the curtain covered the corner when I saw Horizon)... not enough movies make it worth the effort. I still go almost weekly but I make a rule to only prioritize the movies that make an extra effort. To me that mostly means stereoscopic 3D - why would I watch a crappy 2D picture in awful theater conditions when I can at home, which is better in every single respect? Stereo 3D is incredible, filmmakers like Wim Wenders and studios like Pixar really understand why I see movies in a theater.
@@kelownatechkid when I saw Oppenheimer in IMAX the 70mm projector broke so they showed it on a digital projector instead. To add insult to injury it was out of focus the whole time 🤣
@@thegrasshopperliesheavy I would have rioted!! That's awful. I saw it in Toronto at the vaughan 70mm imax and luckily any issues had been resolved by that time...
they arent even bothering to replace the bulbs on projectors, ive seen so many dim barely visible projections in the last 2 years its really just inferior to my TV
Nobody should gatekeep who is and isn’t a cinephile. I’m absolutely a cinephile but I no longer go to commercial cinema. Theatrical windows are so small, I would MUCH rather wait a few short weeks and watch at home. I devoted a ton of time, energy and money into a personal screening room with a 20 foot wide scope screen. Plus, great movies are few and far between anymore. Hollywood is creatively bankrupt.
same...but only 130" screen 😅
I'm sorry but "Hollywood is creatively bankrupt" is a lame excuse...and it's one that people have been saying for literally decades. First of all, most movies aren't even made in Hollywood anymore. And secondly, if you really don't like mainstream American cinema, then support indie movies and international cinema. There is plenty of that at the theaters as well, it's just that it's not promoted nearly as much
You said it. It all reeks of gatekeeping and imposing guilt trips and it's not warranted in the slightest. If audiences WERE made up of cinephiles and films were aimed at cinephiles instead of adolescents, a lot of us would probably return to the cinema experience.
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@@84paratizeI’m sorry but Hollywood is creatively bankrupt. I do enjoy international and indie cinema, but I do it in the comfort and superiority of my own screening room.
Supporting niche films in theatres only really applies to Americans to be fair. Internationally we only get the big box releases and nothing else
Everyone has a toddler at home pointing to the tv saying you ain’t going nowhere dad I need to watch my Paw Patrol
Brutal.
It's because of the casual people I don't go, I do t want to listen to people talking or using their phones. Simple. Its the same reason I turned my back on the last judgement in the sistine chapel, I wanted an experience with that painting, what I got was people on their phones being rude and obnoxious. Now I will have to fork out for a private tour, at least I gave a decent set up home for movies. People are the problem with everything.
As I said on X, you have a luxury of being able to watch your said movies. I have an 8 screen theater and they have played zero of those films you mentioned.
Same issues with my small independent movie theater.. I do go see smaller movies and independent ones but my theatrr rarely has them… so just go see wnat you when you can and buy the movie you love :)
I have waited 1 year and a half to see the boy and the heron (I waited for the steelbook) and it was very satisfying to finally see it.
I'm very fortunate to have a multiplex that shows new things, yes. For those that don't, even watching some of these movies when they hit digital or streaming helps those movies and those creators.
I am a movie lover who put together a viewing experience that is better than sitting in an auditorium. I like films
and celebrate the ones that appeal to me and like to watch them a lone. So where did I go no where, it is the stories they decided to film changed
"cinephile" doesn't equal "no standards". I loved going to the cinema randomly in the day when I had a reasonable chance of seeing something that was worth my while. But these days every other trailer and every other review or editorial convinces me that films these days aren't very good. When I can watch great films at home there is no reason to watch mediocre films in the cinema while paying a high price for the ticket and probably have to deal with misbehaving other audience members.
When you talk about reviews and editorials telling you these movies aren't very good, why are you listening to them instead of me? Especially if you're watching my channel?
@@CerealAtMidnight they are not actually telling me that films are bad. It is more the opposite: they are too often overselling and hyping films that aren't very good. But with so many disappointing experiences with contemporary film in the last 10 to 15 years I filter that out. Good reviews or flashy trailers don't mean that I won't conclude that it is a mediocre film anymore.
I feel like there’s a direct correlation between the switch from film to digital, and the decline of cinephiles, not to mention the decline of movie magic in general.
At 60, I'm one of those that gave up on new films. I was in the theaters every weekend up into the nineties. After 2000, I've seen maybe 6 films there. I have a huge collection of old films now and I just prefer films made pre 1970. I'll spend my money on classic home media.
When people start behaving and respecting others, we will go back to the theater. We will go to the theater that requires phones are turned off and people that disrupt the movie are removed. Until that happens, we will continue to enjoy our home theater. This is NOT an excuse for not going, it is a reality that has pushed away from the theater experience. Lastly, those that are producing movies today by simple remolding the same piece of clay over and over again do not interest us either.
I've been at this even longer than you, Heath, and could often be heard making the same arguments (I may be the original no-popcorn, matinee guy!). But the fact is, there's very little that gets me in theaters these days. I get far more pleasure from digging up obscure '60s and '70s flicks on Tubi (what a goldmine!) or Blu-ray, many of which I've never seen--or even heard of--before, and which feature the kinds of adult subject matter and old-school stars that are in pretty short supply today. Also, don't forget the way that prestige TV (think Mad Men, Breaking Bad, etc.) basically took over where all those great '70s and '80s thrillers and dramas left off, providing the kind of adult fare that's no longer greenlit by studios (or even many indies). Steven Soderbergh summed up the problem in his famous speech from a decade or so back, when he started making films for HBO instead of theaters. So if you want to know where we theater-going cinephiles have gone, that's a big part of it!
I’ve only been to the cinema once this year and the movie was Furiosa. There are very few mainstream movies that I have any interest in seeing (which is what cinemas mainly show these days). I’m far more interested in watching independent and classic movies, that said I would like to see the new Alien movie, but will wait for the Blu Ray release and watch it at home (the disc is the same price as a cinema ticket).
When I grew up in the '70s and '80s, we were watching the black and white classics of the '30s,'40s.'50s and '60s on the midnight movies on local TV. We had books by Leslie Halliwell, Leonard Maltin, Steven Scheuer, Bosley Crowther to help us make our cinematic classics checklists. My town had two cinemas, where I could see Charlie Chaplin, Orson Welles, Powell & Pressburger, Ingmar Berman, Fellini, Jodorowsky, Rocky Horror, you name it. In college in Milwaukee in 1980, I could see new or recent Rainer Werner Fassbinder movies at the Downer Theater or the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Student Union, Fred Astaire and Hitchcock movies at the Marquette Student Union Mugrack in 16mm, Pasolini and Bunuel movies and newer films like Apocalypse Now at the student lecture hall, DW Griffith films in 35mm at the museum on the lakefront. Kurosawa, John Waters and every indie, foreign movie or classic, silent movie, or recent subversive film you can name at the Oriental Landmark Theater, classics at the symphonic performing arts center, and on and on. On top of this, I was seeing all the NEW movies, the art ones and the commercial ones. Our newspapers ALL had local critics, unlike today where there are barely any newspapers and almost no local arts writers. There was supportive and passionate culture around all of this, and the internet has fragmented the canon and led people to niches where there is no cinephile guiding principle. I was young then, and had the energy to do this because you couldn't see the movies any other way, but now we can with all the home media options. Cinephile culture as it existed is dead. I was glad to see it at its peak. I try to get to some films occasionally today, with my son, but its no longer a priority for me. Kids today are lucky to have every existing movie ever made at their fingertips, but are they even exercising that option? Some are. Remember, real cinephiles will always only be a fraction of the market. Difference is, that fraction used to catered to more than it is now. Sorry this was too long. It could have been longer, by a lot.
Yeah, you could have kept going. I'm with you. Cinephiles are a niche crowd. The thing I'm struggling to understand is how, after 7 1/2 years of making videos about movies that are usually off the beaten path, I've ended up with an audience that doesn't really seem to like movies at all. Over on my website, I just reviewed BOB LE FLAMBEUR and an early Brigitte Bardot film. You'd think that in that time and those millions of views, I'd have cultivated an audience that was interested in seeking out new cinematic experiences. Where are my people?
@@CerealAtMidnight I adore Bob Le Flambeur and most of the French movies of that era. Yeah, I guess we're all kinda into niches, my niche was pretty broad -- the entirety of classic cinema but that constitutes shockingly relatively few people. I maintain a very eclectic ecumenical attitude about it, and just wish people would broaden their horizons a bit to have the expertise they boldly assert that turns out to be usually backed with little actual viewing experience of the broad canon. I'm happy you read my "executive summary" of what could have been a novel. I appreciate what you're doing for film conversation and also your stance on actually supporting smaller films.
Born in 1971, raised in the movie theaters, hitting every blockbuster, comedy, drama, scifi and hard to find flick I could. I no longer go to the movie theaters. As others have pointed out, I can have a great experience at home and not be annoyed by so many today that no longer realize they're in a movie theater and assume they can carry on as they do at home.
I do still attend my local (hour away) drive-in, The Mahoning Theater where they mostly show retro releases and feel much more of a community vibe with fellow cinephiles I've made great friends with there.
I just feel today, my cinephile nature is not quenched in theaters but elsewhere.
I’m streaming Longlegs in my home cinema tonight. Is that cinephile enough or does that not count?
Being a cinephile isn't a checklist and it's not a title to be handed out, it's a passion for watching movies. If you're watching something new, that's great.
@@CerealAtMidnightI know this but wasn’t sure if you did or not.
I'm less open-minded about music than I am about movies. I enjoy listening to my Pandora Nat King Cole station every morning though, and he died 9 years before I was born. I do like some newer music though. I am a fan of Sierra Ferrell's music and of Dua Lipa.
When i go to the theater its usually with friends so we want to just have a fun time. We saw Alien Romulus last weekend. I rent a lot of foreign/art house films from my library but i usually watch those alone.
Alien Romulus was excellent. Not one boring moment in it!
Sir. Can you please back up from the gate a bit.
Im in a movie theater on average maybe 3 times a month. I go to the independent cinema that plays older movies and i do Regal. I saw This Is Where is Ends and actually kinda enjoyed it. But i also saw Deadpool and Alien because, its Alien. I WANTED to see it in the theater so i did. When i saw Horizon is was PACKED. To the point where i had a bad experience bc the audience was disruptive. Anyway, appreciate what you're doing Heath.
I love going to the theater and supporting the theater. I see what I can, but I can't see everything, money is tight. I agree with you Heath, but I and others only have so much expendable income. Can't see everything, can't buy everything, and I have come to terms with that. I saw Longlegs recently and it was fantastic.
I'm still a cinephile...I try and go to the movies at least once a month and I purchase physical media usually a few times a month. But I'm of the video store generation also.
I love movies, but I have no drive anymore to watch them in the theater. I have good patience where I don't mind just waiting a few months for the physical media and buy it, if it's something I'm interested in. There's too many negatives to going to theater. If you want to pretend that it's better now than when we were kids back in the 80s and 90's, fine whatever, have at it.
Am I suppose to go and see some movie because I want to be a hip and trendy dude? If the film isn't of interest to my tastes, then why should I go and watch it? Jeez. It's about enjoyment, not one-upmanship.
You missed the point my man.
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and shoutout to all the overseas company’s creating professional bootlegs with slipcovers of films and shows we can’t purchase legitimately.
Paying for bootlegs is not just a scam but just plain ridiculous, learn to use a computer rather than reward pirates. Rest of the comment is reasonable
#eureka!
@@markkavanagh7377oh yeah them too brother 🙌🏼
@@kelownatechkid how am I rewarding a pirate ? These aren’t the bootlegs of the early 2000’s, these are professional high definition rips , again with proper subtitles and slipcovers, these films I can’t purchase legally so I’ll gladly support someone who takes care of all the particulars etc
Supply and Demand
Buying movies doesn’t mean you love movies. It doesn’t even mean you’re watching them. Collecting movies and loving movies aren’t necessarily the same thing. Cinephiles love movies first, and physical media is a delivery system.
I am not a cinephile, and I don’t go to theatres anymore, but this discussion made me look up show times and there is a lot more variety at my local cinema than pre-pandemic where it used to be only blockbusters and maybe an additional screen for other films.
What are your thoughts on older movies being re-released in theaters for a limited time? Support or not support?
I did go to see Deadpool and Wolverine. During the previews, they advertised Shaun of The Dead, Coraline and Blazing Saddles all coming back to theaters soon.
I support re-releases because it makes classic movies more accessible and allows us to see them on the big screen with fellow film fans. Movies were not meant to be watched in isolation, behind closed doors, and never talked about.
A few years back I saw my all time favorite Saturday Night Fever 40th anniversary re-release at the theater. I was the only one at the screening. Sad, really.
@@CerealAtMidnight ^^ This! One of my favorite things in the world is walking out of a movie with friends and or family and sharing the discussion of what we just watched that usually lasts the whole car ride home.
It's a beautiful thing for those who don't have a revival theater in thier town,city or state. Keep'em comin' as there will always be an audience new and old for these films
@@MusicalJourneysThruCinema I saw Gone with the Wind during its 60th anniversary re-release to theaters in 1999. Yes, it only played a week, but the theater I saw it in, a multiplex in Concord, CA filled up. A big group of teenagers showed up. A friend said to me, wonder how long they will last? I nodded. Yet, they were all glued to the screen, other than a bathroom run at the intermission. Of course, this was before smartphones. I agree with others here that attention spans have waned in recent years.
@6:59 That's probably bad for smaller films; a chain will likely focus on the biggest, most popular thing.
I got laid off earlier this year and now I’m making less than half of what I was at my old job. And then with inflation everything is crazy expensive across-the-board so unfortunately spending 20 to 30 bucks to go to the movies has become a luxury. I did make a point to see Bikeriders though and I loved it.
For me, I’m too busy discovering movies from the 20th century to mess with the 21st century movies. I usually wait a few years for a newer movie to build a reputation before I gamble my time with it. I just know I’m more likely to enjoy the films from many decades ago.
I do think price is a big factor and the movies being made. There used to be a LOT more tiny theaters showing cheap movies. Now, theaters are like going to the amusement park with reclining seats and a premium cost. I've checked out. I blind buy a ton of Blu-rays and UHDs. If something is interesting to me, I just wait, buy it and watch it at home. I really don't value the theater experience anymore truthfully. If we still had tons of smaller indie theaters and more importantly, tons of smaller movies being made and shown at those theaters, maybe I'd go but I'd honestly just rather watch at home now.
Right on. The premium cost is not worth it for a mere couple hours of entertainment.
Are we getting to the point, where the only support that counts is, you saw it on opening weekend? I can't see it the next week, buy it on disc, or pay to rent it? Those things used to matter, but I don't know if it does anymore.
No, you can support them at home too, but many aren't.
Cinephiles these days are really home Cinephiles because of the highend OLED from LG and Sony. On top of that with Denon and Yamaha receivers. And the release of 4K dics. However, you are right.
I am definitely a cinephile...but I am also a husband and a father, so going to the local movie theater has become a challenge.
They don't make 'em like the used to!
Just watch the trailer...they show you the whole movie these days 😂
But seriously, I rarely get into today's films when there are so many PROVEN classics from the past that I still want to watch. And I have the luxury of a nice basement home theater with a 130" projected image so I mostly do physical media and occasional streaming at home. Very convenient and no dealing with driving, noisy people, etc.
@@994pt4 great comment. People are so rude, even though they come and pay 20 bucks. I don't get it! And yes the trailers are ridiculous
Marketing is part of it. I see so many people acting like the big tent pole movies, the popcorn movies, like Deadpool and Wolverine, are the only movies being made. I’ve seen plenty of great movies this year that I might not have except I heard about it online. On top of that a lot of those movies were only playing at one theatre in my area, sometimes on a limited run.
Good points Heath!
I feel like this is a chapter in the over discussion of where do movies currently fit into our culture.
I'm still resentful from when theatres began assigning seats when they reopened post pandemic. Never went back.
Why does that matter? It just means you can get a good seat and not have to be there early.
@joed6092 maybe baby
I respect that you can do this. I cannot. I live in a 1 theater town. I can't articulate how many of the movies you're talking about never make it to our theater, and when they do, it is two months later, after being released on video, for two days(Sunday and Wednesday). Frankly, flashback movies get more airtime here than the niche movies you're describing. I do NOT have the time to drive the 45-100 miles to see these movies first run.. I also can't understand how the showtimes have shifted so much that the majority of movie times are during the standard workday, or start just prior to when I get off at 4pm, which leaves exactly 1 showtime available per day, assuming the movie makes it. We don't even have a second run theater here. Don't even get me started on the people going to theaters and treating them like their homes. Wearing Pajamas. Bringing blankets. Being noisy. I'm not even going to talk about life and the fact that sometimes, time doesn't allow for first run movies. I'm glad some people can do it. I struggle to even see franchise movies these days, and rely on my collection to fill any gaps.
You could watch them at home then. Many former cinephiles don't even do that.
@@CerealAtMidnight I answered in the vein of why it is difficult to support these films in the theater. I do watch many of those types of things at home when released. In fact, that is the only way we can watch many of the movies we actually want to see.
The vast majority of the movies that come to my local theatre aren't worth supporting. We only have a 4 screen location, so its always Marvel or children movies.
We used to be called 'Tape Heads' too. That guy that always had an obscure foreign or weird movie that said, "You gotta see this".
Any puff piece written by Variety turns me off. Depends on how you define what a Cinefile or is but I am happy to support decent movies. Some good stuff but generally watch my back catalogue and picking up remastered discs
Heath yelling at everyone up in here lol 😂. I saw Horizon lol😂
I'm not exactly what you'd call a cinephile. I'll expose myself to different genres enough to get a feel for them, but as I get older, I'm learning to prioritize the genres that attracted me to film in the first place. Forcing myself to watch stuff because it's new or because it's getting raves is just not a pleasurable experience most of the time. After spending so much time in the theaters, I'm much more astute as to which films I should generally avoid, which may have nothing to do with the film's quality per se. When it comes to something I normally enjoy like horror sci fi, and thrillers, I'll go watch them even if they get negative reviews.
I think the simple reason older people don't go as often is because they realize they don't have all the time in the world to waste on something they may not like when they have so many options to buy or stream movies from their favorite genres, directors, or actors going back several decades. Another reason could be that older moviegoers prefer to go to the theater during the week when it's less crowded. This would have worked out better in the past when theaters allowed non tentpole movies to play for 2-3 weeks or longer. Nowadays, a lower budget film can be bumped out of the theaters in less than a week given the high turnover of blockbusters. They also hardly receive any promotion leading up to their release let alone after they open.
I've actually heard about more under the radar stuff coming out this year. Although overall sales are lower this year, this year may be more profitable due to a less packed release schedule post strike. I doubt studios will learn any lessons from this though and will churn out much more content by this time next year.
And while studios have been releasing indie films quite regularly in theaters, they have really shortchanged mid budget films by dumping them onto streaming services. These were the type of films that normally attracted an older audience and not just cinephiles.
I agree, I am very selective. My family and I went to see Longlegs and Dead Pool this summer. We like to see at least two or three films in the theater during the summer. We love going to the theater and try our best to see films wherever. We also go to Mahoning Drive Inn.
You kind of hinted at a point I don’t often hear discussed. The issue of people being too wrapped up in identifying “agendas” in media and being against anything that allows them to see a different point of view or forces them to get outside of their bubble.
distributors aren't willing to take any risks at all. the most interesting film i've seen this year was last summer. i live in a big city and it only had four screenings across two days at a small arthouse theater. finding somewhere playing interesting films is difficult enough in my city, i can't imagine what it's like in the rest of the country.
Great video! Also, I love the Amoeba t-shirt. I was in the Bay Area a couple of weeks ago and had the chance to visit their stores in Berkeley and SF. I'd forgotten how amazing their stock of used movies is. Glad to see you supporting the store.
If you have a local film fest, you'll find the cinephiles there.
3:04-3:24 is spot on. This is what a lot of film discourse has turned into. It’s so baffling.
I don’t understand the hate Horizon and American Saga got. I saw it opening weekend and thought it was fantastic
Well, Heath, I agree and don't agree. My wife and I got together for genre films, and we have continued with the hobby for years. I honestly believe that the poor quality of contemporary cinema has burned many of us out. I used to visit the theatre once a week, and I can't remember a single film.
Ameoba is my favourite store ever! Love to visit every time from Australia!
I don't really go to the movies anymore (aside from drive-ins) on the count of all the rude and inconsiderate people that have to talk out loud during the movie or they have to play on their phones and ruin movies for everybody. What's more, the theater chains just don't care in the least. It's been going on for YEARS. Guess the theaters don't need my money.
I am checking out an indie horror flick tonight called "Stream". It is only showing in one theater by me for two nights. Have not seen a trailer, only stills. I am going to buy a ticket and a popcorn to support indie movies and the theaters that give them a chance.
Just my experience living in a "small town" of about 180,000 people. We only have one theater here, a 14 screen Cinemark. They play "smaller" films like Maxxxine and Cuckoo for 8-9 days in small theaters with nearly every screening sold out except for the front row. Then the film leaves. I mean if you can't make it within those 8-9 days or you don't want to sit in the front row or sit next to a stranger then you don't get to see the movie. Horizon actually did well here. It played for almost 3 weeks with each showing that I saw sold about 70-80% of the seats. Then it left. To be fair every screening of Deadpool or Despicable Me 4 is nearly sold out too but most releases in a place controlled by major chains are blink and miss them with less than 2 week runs. The theaters are turning money away by getting rid of films that are doing well and they don't care about offering viewers much choice. I don't bother checking the times anymore. I used to see 2-3 movies a week and now I see 2 a month. Theater going isn't what it used to be. The studios and theater chains are working hand in hand to diminish the experience and thus we have little movie culture and word of mouth buzz left.
Multiplexes are soulless are dull. The tickets are expensive no matter how you slice it. The experience is no longer cinema, especially for those that remember.
Film Bros and Movie “Elitists” is my biggest issue when it comes to being a Cinephile, I LOVE the movies and i consider it therapeutic going to the Movie theater.
This comes across super gatekeepy unfortunately. Sadly a comment section isn’t the right place to really dive into my thoughts here.
Anytime I start talking about supporting movies and expressing my opinions about those who don't, I'm accused of gatekeeping. Gatekeeping is primarily about keeping new people out. I'm actually begging people to come in.
@@CerealAtMidnight It’s only wanting more people in when it’s the movies you deem a cinephile should be supporting in theaters and week one. Like I said the comment section isn’t really the place to articulate this though.
@@timtalkstalkiesyout not a true cinephile and your the people he is talking about. Dont support small films . An just care about the big budget caveman films.
Seen your videos and not even a collector as you toss slips and don't care about the packaging and having films in your collection as there are meant to be . Slips and j cards matter.
@@Keithf66666 So much to unpack here lol. The fact that you think being a collector is linked to piece of cardboard is pretty telling to be honest. As for what I watch and support if you’ve supposedly watched my videos you’ve seen a wide mix from of movies domestic and foreign. But maybe the lack of slipcovers maybe that difficult to see. Anyway have a great day my friend and enjoy the cardboard.
@@timtalkstalkies it's not complete without the slip or j card . Why the way you collect is wrong. Enjoy your caveman films . An we will look down our noses to you.
Cinephile here. So much so…I’m a Regal Crown Unlimited member, lol 😂 In the last two weeks, I’ve seen ten movies. 🍿 😎
You are my people!
I work 50 hours a week at nearly 60 years old. Still I watch 5 to 8 films a week at home. Im not sorry at all I dont go to cinema the way I used to. Its not the money. I just don't have time to go watch garbage. I go when I know I will enjoy the film.
I don't go as much mainly due to short windows. Murica is about working cradle to grave and that doesn't help.
Heath, it sounds like you're advocating quantity over quality.
You want enthusiasts to see a high quantity of content, in order to help ensure a high quantity of content continues to be created.
Enthusiasts always gravitate more towards quality. We're all limited on time, and none of us want to waste it on inferior experiences.
Advocate the best quality. That sends the best financial message to the producers and studios.
If the future of our passion still holds quality, but lacks quantity, we'll be far more satisfied than if it holds quantity, but lacks quality.
The quantity over quality argument requires knowledge ahead of time that the movies are quality, which is impossible. We enter into the experience blindly, letting the film take us where it will go.
Many Belmondo films on TCM
on demand this month!
In defense of the cinephiles I would say the average cinephile spends much more money in the national movie economy than any casual viewer. Motion pictures have undergone many transformations in a mere century. Who knows what the future of this still infant art may hold. PS I agree with you about the Bike Riders. Great film. Tom Hardy has become my most respected actor in film.
Cinephiles are definitely spending more money. As a creator yourself, it must irk you to no end to see poeple saying that nothing new is worthwhile and that the only good movies were made decades ago.
I'm with you on Tom Hardy. He's on another level.
I haven't been to a movie theater since my divorce in 1997. No fun going to a movie alone. If there's a movie I really want to see, I just wait for the home video release.
With A-List and Regal Unlimited IT'S NEVER BEEN CHEAPER TO GO TO THE MOVIES!!!!
And it's not just AMC A-list, most theaters have a similar program. Let's be honest, it's an excuse. Many of these people aren't watching these movies at home, either. They've simply given up on new things. "New movies are yucky."
@@CerealAtMidnight idk man they're showing the matrix in my city and a ticket is 17 dollars. It's a joke, I have to pay 20 bucks after tax to see a 25 year old film and deal with idiots talking on their phone. There's a reason people prefer home theater...
Certainly your theater has a matinee showtime or a discount day of the week.
100% getting regal subs for my fam has been a huge win. We go together at least once a week and take chances on movies we wouldn't have in the past. It also ends up being one of the cheapest things we can do as a family, even on the spur of the moment.
I wouldn't say I want to watch EVERY movie I can, but my partner and I watch around 5=10 movies a week, from blockbusters to arthouse to garbage action movies! I buy my favourites on blu-ray, but I pick up a lot of cheap movies on DVD, just to explore what's out there. It's really fun. AND we try to go to the cinema a couple of times a month. It's a fun evening out. If you like movies and you want to... you know... go outside from time to time, go to the cinema!
I tried to support movies at my theatres that are not contemporary Hollywood product. The last time I was is a theater was to see "Decision to Leave." I wanted to go see the Zellner brothers' "Sasquatch Sunset." It never showed in my major metropolitan area but the DVD appeared in my library about a week later. According to Heath's definition I am no longer a cinephile because I don't support a bunch of Hollywood BS.
Highly highly highly recommend that everybody go out and see Strange Darling this weekend if they can. Probably my new favorite movie of the year. Go in as blind as possible and enjoy the ride. Gotta support our indie movies
Maybe why there no one are going to the movies because the new movies are Crap
But come on, man, you gotta consume the crap if you wanna be hip and with the times!
Don't support crap. Support fresh voices. It's more important than ever, especially if we want to FIGHT all that crap.
The last three movies in the cinema I went to see with friends were 'Napoleon' - 'Oppenheimer' & the latest Raiders movie. The first two were excellent on IMAX - The Raiders movie was not in IMAX but was shown on the largest of screens and it looked very over-blown and dull. We didn't complain as the first 40 minutes were night scenes and by the time the daylight section started and the image was still very dull - it seemed too late to do that.
I’ve switched over from the Cineplex to my local indie theatre. They show things I’m actually interested in seeing. I go to the Cineplex every Tuesday just so I’m not completely out of touch with what’s coming out but I really go to the indie theatre way more. They were the only place showing films like Sasquatch Sunset, I Saw the TV Glow, Aggro Dr1ft, Robot Dreams, In a Violent Nature, and The People’s Joker, some of my favourite movies of the year. Can’t see that at the Cineplex. They show lots of classics too, so I’m all set! Support indie movie theatres.
I won't pretend to know the answer but one thing that worries me is that at some point there will be no infrastructure left, meaning most Cinemas will have shut down and the few remaining ones will be where the "Cinephiles" go but the ticket price will most likely be as expensive as a new 4k disc.
It's just sad if we lose 99% of the Cinemas. Perhaps this recent trend of showing old classics and selling Cinema exclusive merch like the Alien: Romulus popcorn buckets might help more theaters stay alive?
The Bikeriders IS fantastic. It's so wonderfully acted and directed.
I think the real cause of the vanishing cinephile is inflation; it keeps getting worse. A lot of people in minimum wage jobs can no longer afford to go to the cinemas... Where are all the Drive-Ins??? The drive-ins were for the working man when he finally gets a day off from work. Those of us who have to work full time hours just to get by don't have much spending money for non-essential things anymore. Something has to change or the entertainment industry is going to collapse.
Heath, you are saying exactly what I've been thinking for the last year or so. I've been making a point of seeing, literally, anything other than the biggest release of the week. Movies I've seen in the theater worth checking out are GHOSTLIGHT, CUCKOO, and DIDI.
I watch about 300 movies a year from the 1920s until now. Unfortunately, at least in my region, there's just no reason to see anything in a theatre anymore. I get a better experience at home. Sometimes Ill go to a local repertory screening if its a special, unique, presentation, such as 35 mm. Otherwise, most theatres just try to attract you with gimmicky seating and ridiculous concessions all the while the projector is set up incorrectly. Theres a lot of reasons why not to go to the theatre these days but the big one is that the theatrical presentation is just subpar. Theatres need to do better. Reduce the number of screens and just give us a good quality show. The New Beverly sells out constantly. My god if I had one of those in my neighborhood I would live there!
Matt Damon explained why good character driven movies are no longer financially feasible. The great romcom, comedies, and character driven dramas are sparse. Yes, there are some here and there. bikeriders is a good example, but it's an exception to the rule. I strongly suggest getting into 2 channel hifi. The amount of quality music is endless.