I have the 1st gen dewalt 60v. I used 9AH batterys. Changing out the chain made a huge difference in performance. It isn’t a gas saw but it’s definitely more convenient for the average user if you are already investing in the dewalt 60V line.
Went full chisel on the low profile. I want to go 3/8 to test it out but haven’t done enough homework to figure out which setup to use to go to a standard chain.
We both have a 3/8" chain with .050 bar and 68 drives. I am stuck as I might try a realy 3/8" chain, but go for a semi chisel anti kick back chain, so less aggressive full size.
Is it just me, I think most of these battery saws sound like plastic motorized toys? The Milwaukee sounds like it has a metal gearbox and the DeWalt is plastic.
@WorkshopAddict couple comparison videos. I like the ego 20" but* it out drains the batteries a tad. So their 18" saw does not do that.. if they can just tweak their stuff a bit to get the 20 to not over drain.. be a dann good saw. Cuts faster than the Milwaukee dual. In some case's , I've also seen the Milwaukee cut evenly with the ego and or slightly faster when batteries are broken in?idk weird with some of the battery testing. But have pretty much liked the ego saws.
@johnkrisovitch69 The issue I see is that if ones edits much of a video and does not do multiple cuts, the variance between cuts is so great that you could come up with any outcome you want. Using the best Dewalt cut and the best Milwaukee cut on the large maple, the Dewalt saw wins. That had to be a soft area in the wood because all the other cuts were much slower. EGO has good equipment and a lot more batteries to help with the battery power and life. I just do not like the plastic feel of the saws. But that is personal preference. I am a gas chainsaw user and like to play around with the battery saws.
@WorkshopAddict i grabbed an echo 7310pw.. I gotcha. What i like is an electric saw to keep in the vehicle. No gas n oil to spill.. no smell. And the ego's have done me well.
I bought the dewalt a couple years ago. After see the new Milwaukee I wanted to switch over but I’m just going to stick with it. Thanks for the video comparing them.
Just got the DeWalt last month for $479 with two 12ah batteries. The Milwaukee is a better saw, not much doubt about that, but for nearly twice the price it had better be. DeWalt is releasing two new 12" saws and the 16" also needs an update so it may be a bit before they release another big one.
Can anyone help me understand how the Milwaukee (36v) is comparable to the Dewalt 60v (56v)? Seems the Dewalt has a much higher voltage but that doesn't translate into performance. Just trying understand. Thanks.
Im an early adopter for battery equipment. And went with all the 80v kobalt brand. It all got discontinued, but i have had zero issues and couldnt be happier in most cases. Alot of it comes down to user ability imo. A rookie is a rookie, and gas can be forgiving with extra power. Doesnt make you have more skill with the tool however. They all have great advantages. Battery works well for me as its rare use, and somewhat smaller applications and jobs. I have the batteries to make the tools run for hours on end also. That is a big key to not being frustrated. Great video, and thank you.
You are 100 percent correct, but Dewalt calls it a 15Ah battery in most cases so for clarity I follow. With that said, the Watt hours on the FV 5Ah battery is 300. The watt hours on Two 8Ah Milwaukee Forge is 320. They should last a similar amount of time.
You say Still like I was convinced. I might have said it might come close in another video, but I always argued that it is VERY hard to compare a .325 chained saw to a 3/8 chained saw and that is where Milwaukee left us.
@ we have replaced a fleet of ms 170’s and several other gas models. Ease of maintenance and we had several saws burned up by idiots putting straight gas in them. We still have fours larger gas saws that are put up and only a few of us can use them.
Same watt hours available in the battery, whether it is running 20volt or 60 volt. 60 volt inherently runs more efficiently so it should, unless Dewalt did an inefficient motor, run longer then a lower voltage setup on the same battery.
Next time try the 9ah flexvolt battery. Thats dewalts best battery for the flexvolt line. TTQ has done these tests and the 5ah power stack and the 9ah flexvolt are the best 2 batteries for the Dewalt line. Also remember in 60v the 15ah is only a 5ah battery. Its 15ah in 20v but 5ah in 60v. So in that aspect Milwaukee will have more run time with using 8ah or 12 ah batteries.
I'm gonna assume you meant TTC. TTC rarely test 60v tools and from what I've seen the 15ah performance is better on 60v tools. Plus he was just testing with the battery's that come in the kits I believe.
I have this same DeWalt chainsaw that came with the 15 Ah 20 V/5 Ah 60 V battery, which gives it more power than the 12 Ah 20 V/4 Ah 60 V as well as the 9 Ah 20 V/3 Ah 60 V. I was hoping the 3 Ah 60 V battery with 21700 cells would be equivalent or better than the 5 Ah 60 V battery with 18650 cells, but unfortunately it is not.
I have the brushless 16" dewalt model, something I wish they would've added is metal bucking spikes like the milwaukee not the short plastic ones molded onto the body. More protection for the oil reservoir and control with longer harder cuts. I have pin and white swamp oaks and the wood is like steel with bark like rubber so axes sometimes bounce 🪓
the battery saws are cutting well and these models have some good power but it's pretty bad when the 60cc gas saw takes half the time to cut a log as the "70cc equivalent" battery saw. Ouch.
I know sound isn’t everything but the Milwaukee just sounds faster and more powerful. It’s like comparing the Ego saw to the Ryobi where the Ego is the Milwaukee and the Ryobi is the Dewalt. Or at least that’s how my messed up brain thinks of it.
I have the DeWalt 20 volt with the 12 inch bar. It stopped working within the warranty period and I took it apart to check continuity on the switch and it was fine. Bypassed the switch and the motor was dead. Dewalt sent me a new saw as I was covered but I have to say the inside of that saw is really toylike. I expect the same so so build quality on that 60 volt. I'll stick with my Stihl MS250 for bigger stuff.
The 20" 60V saw is quite a bit better quality than the 12". There are two new 12" saws being released, a 20v and 60v. I picked up the current 12" from Home Depot last month for $89 on closeout, I have absolutely no complaints at that price.
@plmn93 got an ego 18" for 100$ new tool only off marketplace. And their 20" for 150. Both are great. No issues. I notice a good difference when buying stihl chain off a 100' roll to match the drive links for the ego chain. Good easy simple upgrade. Don't have to change sprockets etc
Bypassing the switch on a brushless tool doesn't work because the computer in or connected to the switch assembly is required to run the motor properly. I'd wager that the controller was the culprit not the motor. Just imparting some knowledge.
@johnkrisovitch69 Interesting, however I don't see a readily available adapter for my stack of yellow batteries. I wish there was, that electric motorcycle they have looks fun.
@foehammerE419 lol. Never going ti be adapters for different battery platforms. Not sure if that would lessen the power of them either. But yea be nice.
Ever since AvE showed off the poor build quality and chain throwing issues with the DeWalt I've been skeptical. I'm not a Milwaukee loyalist. I want to see the best most capable tools on the market. Glad for the competition that benefits consumers
Competition always benefits consumers. That's why you want more tool manufactures in the market not less. Flex has defiantly made the other manufactures step up their game.
I am working on it right now. Stock chain is a semi chisel low profile 3/8". I am torn between a full chisel low profile and a normal semi chisel. Obviously the normal semi chisel will have a wider pixel, but won't be as aggressive. Maybe I will try both and we can time it all.
There is one major problems with DeWalt 60V tools and it’s the actual battery. DeWalt uses a hybrid 20V/60V “Flexvolt” battery pack. When it comes to power efficiency it’s a HORRIBLE 20V or 60V battery pack! I have build couple of true 60V (using Flexvolt battery case as donor) batteries using 4AH tabless cells. I did some tests on 60V 18”,20” chains saws and on 60V 9” wet concrete saw, those 60V tools are VERY power hungry! Nonetheless it’s about 35% more run time than DeWalt 15AH Flexvolt battery pack! Also sometimes to keep in mind, my battery pack only has (15) 21700 4AH tabless cells where DeWalt’s 5 pound brick had (30) 18650 Samsung 25S cells. Next on the list to build a 15S2P 8AH/60V Monster battery pack! If you wonder how does one charge a 60V battery pack? Well I have to use a very expensive 16S ISDT smart charger.
The 15ah Flexvolt battery is widely considered to be better than the 12ah and is required for the saw to make its full 4 HP. There are no Powerstack Flexvolt batteries.
The Milwaukee is using forge batteries and a faster cutting chain and is new the dewalt is using 18650 cells in the 15amp battery and slower cutting chain and 2 year old saw and still competed dewalt will put a newer and better motor in this saw and power pack flexvolt batteries and will blow the Milwaukee away and dewalt won't even tell you they put a better motor in
Espere este video para ver la comparativa y la verdad soy usuario de dewalt y de hombre la Milwaukee tiene mas fuerza y tiene mas duracion de batería y eso que es 8 amperios ahora con la de 12 mucho mas onq tenga 2 y dewalt 1
The gas Stihl just sounds so good, too.
I have the 1st gen dewalt 60v. I used 9AH batterys. Changing out the chain made a huge difference in performance. It isn’t a gas saw but it’s definitely more convenient for the average user if you are already investing in the dewalt 60V line.
Did you get rid of the low profile 3/8" and go standard or just go Full Chisel in the low profile?
Went full chisel on the low profile. I want to go 3/8 to test it out but haven’t done enough homework to figure out which setup to use to go to a standard chain.
@ might be a little easier to do on your saw. I believe the second gen saws use a more standard bar then the 1st gens
We both have a 3/8" chain with .050 bar and 68 drives. I am stuck as I might try a realy 3/8" chain, but go for a semi chisel anti kick back chain, so less aggressive full size.
Is it just me, I think most of these battery saws sound like plastic motorized toys? The Milwaukee sounds like it has a metal gearbox and the DeWalt is plastic.
Should we compare with the Ego 5000 and the Stihl MSA 300? 👍
We just did the MSA 300 3 videos back and compared it to the Milwaukee.
@jean-marcbriane7283 already been done.
@WorkshopAddict couple comparison videos. I like the ego 20" but* it out drains the batteries a tad. So their 18" saw does not do that.. if they can just tweak their stuff a bit to get the 20 to not over drain.. be a dann good saw. Cuts faster than the Milwaukee dual. In some case's , I've also seen the Milwaukee cut evenly with the ego and or slightly faster when batteries are broken in?idk weird with some of the battery testing. But have pretty much liked the ego saws.
@johnkrisovitch69 The issue I see is that if ones edits much of a video and does not do multiple cuts, the variance between cuts is so great that you could come up with any outcome you want. Using the best Dewalt cut and the best Milwaukee cut on the large maple, the Dewalt saw wins. That had to be a soft area in the wood because all the other cuts were much slower. EGO has good equipment and a lot more batteries to help with the battery power and life. I just do not like the plastic feel of the saws. But that is personal preference. I am a gas chainsaw user and like to play around with the battery saws.
@WorkshopAddict i grabbed an echo 7310pw.. I gotcha. What i like is an electric saw to keep in the vehicle. No gas n oil to spill.. no smell. And the ego's have done me well.
Again best channel on UA-cam for reviews....just good smooth content.
I bought the dewalt a couple years ago. After see the new Milwaukee I wanted to switch over but I’m just going to stick with it. Thanks for the video comparing them.
Just got the DeWalt last month for $479 with two 12ah batteries. The Milwaukee is a better saw, not much doubt about that, but for nearly twice the price it had better be. DeWalt is releasing two new 12" saws and the 16" also needs an update so it may be a bit before they release another big one.
That makes sense why they clearance out their last gen 12in one at homedepot for $89.
Can anyone help me understand how the Milwaukee (36v) is comparable to the Dewalt 60v (56v)? Seems the Dewalt has a much higher voltage but that doesn't translate into performance. Just trying understand. Thanks.
Im an early adopter for battery equipment. And went with all the 80v kobalt brand. It all got discontinued, but i have had zero issues and couldnt be happier in most cases. Alot of it comes down to user ability imo. A rookie is a rookie, and gas can be forgiving with extra power. Doesnt make you have more skill with the tool however. They all have great advantages. Battery works well for me as its rare use, and somewhat smaller applications and jobs. I have the batteries to make the tools run for hours on end also. That is a big key to not being frustrated. Great video, and thank you.
The dewalt is not a 15ah battery when running on 60v tools, you're only getting 5ah.
You are 100 percent correct, but Dewalt calls it a 15Ah battery in most cases so for clarity I follow. With that said, the Watt hours on the FV 5Ah battery is 300. The watt hours on Two 8Ah Milwaukee Forge is 320. They should last a similar amount of time.
Comparison would be better with the same chain. Which to buy depends how much cutting you do.
When the dewalt is a low profile 3/8" and the Milwaukee is a .325, it is impossible to run the same chain.
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So you still think that m18 can compare to a 70cc saw?
You say Still like I was convinced. I might have said it might come close in another video, but I always argued that it is VERY hard to compare a .325 chained saw to a 3/8 chained saw and that is where Milwaukee left us.
As long as the M18 has extra power to spare , cause a 3/8 full chisel may cut faster , but will require more power to do so.
@jeremymyers5643 We have a video out on the .325 full chisel on the Milwaukee and it rocks!
Towards the end I noticed you didn't use dewalt top-handle. Is this one stronger/faster?
The top Handel saw is meant to be compact and wouldn't be comparable to this milwaukee.
We have 3 Milwaukees at work and two new Stihls. The Stihls feel more light a gas saw and work much better.
@@danbelden7354 Why so many battery saws?
@ we have replaced a fleet of ms 170’s and several other gas models. Ease of maintenance and we had several saws burned up by idiots putting straight gas in them. We still have fours larger gas saws that are put up and only a few of us can use them.
@@danbelden7354who has a fleet of m170's, as a professional user?
@ we are not professional arborists. We do a lot of landscaping and minor tree work.
The runtime on the DeWalt is half because it's a 5ah battery at 60v.
Same watt hours available in the battery, whether it is running 20volt or 60 volt. 60 volt inherently runs more efficiently so it should, unless Dewalt did an inefficient motor, run longer then a lower voltage setup on the same battery.
Next time try the 9ah flexvolt battery. Thats dewalts best battery for the flexvolt line. TTQ has done these tests and the 5ah power stack and the 9ah flexvolt are the best 2 batteries for the Dewalt line. Also remember in 60v the 15ah is only a 5ah battery. Its 15ah in 20v but 5ah in 60v. So in that aspect Milwaukee will have more run time with using 8ah or 12 ah batteries.
That saw needs the 15ah battery to get the full 4 HP. It limits the power with smaller batteries to I believe something like 3.25 -3.5 HP.
I'm gonna assume you meant TTC. TTC rarely test 60v tools and from what I've seen the 15ah performance is better on 60v tools. Plus he was just testing with the battery's that come in the kits I believe.
I have this same DeWalt chainsaw that came with the 15 Ah 20 V/5 Ah 60 V battery, which gives it more power than the 12 Ah 20 V/4 Ah 60 V as well as the 9 Ah 20 V/3 Ah 60 V.
I was hoping the 3 Ah 60 V battery with 21700 cells would be equivalent or better than the 5 Ah 60 V battery with 18650 cells, but unfortunately it is not.
You should put the aggressive chains on both and see how they compare
I have the brushless 16" dewalt model, something I wish they would've added is metal bucking spikes like the milwaukee not the short plastic ones molded onto the body. More protection for the oil reservoir and control with longer harder cuts. I have pin and white swamp oaks and the wood is like steel with bark like rubber so axes sometimes bounce 🪓
Juste pourquoi ne pas avoir utiliser les piques et le torque des scies je pense que les temps aurais pu etre reduit de moitier
I have the top handle Milwaukee and that thing is a beast
the battery saws are cutting well and these models have some good power but it's pretty bad when the 60cc gas saw takes half the time to cut a log as the "70cc equivalent" battery saw. Ouch.
That tells me that battery has a very long way to go to keep up with gas.
Just can’t beat the gas saws yet. Pick up a used echo or stihl for 200 bucks and get to cutting.
I know this would be old news at this point, but still interesting (probably): DeWalt top handle 14" vs. Milwaukee 14" top handle.
Already did it back when the Dewalt came out.
I know sound isn’t everything but the Milwaukee just sounds faster and more powerful. It’s like comparing the Ego saw to the Ryobi where the Ego is the Milwaukee and the Ryobi is the Dewalt. Or at least that’s how my messed up brain thinks of it.
Even though the battery powered saws perform well for what they are, I’d still stick with the gas powered chainsaw for the power.
What is with you guys and this SOUND nonsense? Man, you just won't let go of the past.
@@IndependentThinker74sound was not mentioned here. Both gas and battery do have their place its just up to what the user needs.
Great cutting with the 362!! Throw the other two away!! 🤣 🤣 👍🏻👍🏻
I have the DeWalt 20 volt with the 12 inch bar. It stopped working within the warranty period and I took it apart to check continuity on the switch and it was fine. Bypassed the switch and the motor was dead. Dewalt sent me a new saw as I was covered but I have to say the inside of that saw is really toylike. I expect the same so so build quality on that 60 volt. I'll stick with my Stihl MS250 for bigger stuff.
The 20" 60V saw is quite a bit better quality than the 12". There are two new 12" saws being released, a 20v and 60v. I picked up the current 12" from Home Depot last month for $89 on closeout, I have absolutely no complaints at that price.
as said plmn93, not the same at all
@plmn93 got an ego 18" for 100$ new tool only off marketplace. And their 20" for 150. Both are great. No issues. I notice a good difference when buying stihl chain off a 100' roll to match the drive links for the ego chain. Good easy simple upgrade. Don't have to change sprockets etc
Bypassing the switch on a brushless tool doesn't work because the computer in or connected to the switch assembly is required to run the motor properly. I'd wager that the controller was the culprit not the motor. Just imparting some knowledge.
@Vanman_fr Ah- thanks for that information!
The Milwaukee definitely outpowered the dewalt
Reusefull channel has some nice content on the M18 vs others including the legendary 372.
I have the yellow saw and use it for clearing trails on foot. There are downsides but I take them all so that my hands aren't buzzing when I'm done.
Ego much better saw. Especially the 20
@johnkrisovitch69 Interesting, however I don't see a readily available adapter for my stack of yellow batteries. I wish there was, that electric motorcycle they have looks fun.
@foehammerE419 lol. Never going ti be adapters for different battery platforms. Not sure if that would lessen the power of them either. But yea be nice.
@johnkrisovitch69 You can buy them online to convert between just about all the 20v batteries. Must be more difficult to do 60/56v
@@foehammerE419 hmm yea didn't know . Never seen one for ego
Ever since AvE showed off the poor build quality and chain throwing issues with the DeWalt I've been skeptical. I'm not a Milwaukee loyalist. I want to see the best most capable tools on the market. Glad for the competition that benefits consumers
Competition always benefits consumers. That's why you want more tool manufactures in the market not less. Flex has defiantly made the other manufactures step up their game.
AvE was misusing the saw, and the 20 and 18 are far better than the 16 he was bending sideways
@@fredio54 AvE didn't review the saw based on usage, he took it apart.
3/8 pitch on Dewalt!!!!
Do you mean 3/8 lp?
Lp means low profile!
I believe he did mean that, yes. Let's see what he says.
Yes, it is a low profile chain. Still a 3/8" drive link chain. I get it that the cutters are smaller. My point was that they were not interchangeable.
I can't stand the high pitch sound of that milwaukee
Are you going to get a better more aggressive chain for the dewalt? I'd like to see that as if it's a winner I'd cooy your setup :-)
I am working on it right now. Stock chain is a semi chisel low profile 3/8". I am torn between a full chisel low profile and a normal semi chisel. Obviously the normal semi chisel will have a wider pixel, but won't be as aggressive. Maybe I will try both and we can time it all.
I think the Milwaukee turned faster than the Dewalt and cut better.
Specs from the companies are close. 13.5 m/s for Dewalt and 14.3 m/s for Milwaukee. They sure sound different!
Seriously a hole in the wood with the Milwaukee come on now 😅 guess everyone has to give Milwaukee every advantage they can get.
Definitely think the Milwaukee competes and compares better with the 20 inch ego than any dewalt.
Depends on what content you watch.
I’ve been through 4 of the dewalts they are garbage. Finally bought the Milwaukee single battery and it’s been great so far only a month in though.
The dewalt tophandle is stronger than this model
If I was going to buy Electra so I don't have to be Milwaukee DeWalt needs to go back to the drawing board on their saw
DeWalt needs a good chain, factory chains are always junk IMO
Both of these saws have junk chains
There is one major problems with DeWalt 60V tools and it’s the actual battery. DeWalt uses a hybrid 20V/60V “Flexvolt” battery pack. When it comes to power efficiency it’s a HORRIBLE 20V or 60V battery pack! I have build couple of true 60V (using Flexvolt battery case as donor) batteries using 4AH tabless cells. I did some tests on 60V 18”,20” chains saws and on 60V 9” wet concrete saw, those 60V tools are VERY power hungry! Nonetheless it’s about 35% more run time than DeWalt 15AH Flexvolt battery pack! Also sometimes to keep in mind, my battery pack only has (15) 21700 4AH tabless cells where DeWalt’s 5 pound brick had (30) 18650 Samsung 25S cells. Next on the list to build a 15S2P 8AH/60V Monster battery pack! If you wonder how does one charge a 60V battery pack? Well I have to use a very expensive 16S ISDT smart charger.
The Milwaukee has HO 8ah batteries, the dewalt should be using the 12ah batteries or powerstack. That 15ah battery sucks .
Both saws are being tested with what comes with them when purchased in a kit.
Powerstack on a flexvolt tool?
The 15ah Flexvolt battery is widely considered to be better than the 12ah and is required for the saw to make its full 4 HP. There are no Powerstack Flexvolt batteries.
The Milwaukee is using forge batteries and a faster cutting chain and is new the dewalt is using 18650 cells in the 15amp battery and slower cutting chain and 2 year old saw and still competed dewalt will put a newer and better motor in this saw and power pack flexvolt batteries and will blow the Milwaukee away and dewalt won't even tell you they put a better motor in
@ the 15ah battery sucks for power it’s only good to run lights. I’m a builder
Milwaukee all day even sounds stronger.
It does, but if you watch far enough in, the Dewalt beats it on a large cut. So crazy.
@@WorkshopAddict Try the 9ah battery it should be an even faster cut.
Dewalt all day it's American company Milwaukee is a Chinese company
@@loucifer4205 They are both American companies who manufacture their tools in China
@IndependentThinker74 Milwaukee was purchased by TTI, a chinese company.
Espere este video para ver la comparativa y la verdad soy usuario de dewalt y de hombre la Milwaukee tiene mas fuerza y tiene mas duracion de batería y eso que es 8 amperios ahora con la de 12 mucho mas onq tenga 2 y dewalt 1