I have a Stihl MSA 220 that I’ve had for about 3 seasons, came with an AP 300 battery, a charger! With a 16” bar. It’s my go to saw. For most fallen trees on my property . It cuts as well as my gas saw, keep it in my warm walk in basement, it’s quiet,and doesn’t run unless I pull the trigger. I paid around $800 For it money well spent. I’ve paid more than that for my pro gas saw!
I use a skip tooth chain a lot on my saws. How does this saw handle that? Is it so under powered that that is no good? I still love my gas powered saw and will likely never switch... But it's an interesting idea nonetheless.
it would be nice to have that kind of chain speed on the dewalt. Pressure on the saw to cut is not the right way to do it. the high torque is less relevant than chain speed. if it's sharp you want it to spin the fastest it can without slowing to much and that is the sweet spot for efficiency. you could play a bit with the rakers to get optimal depth of cut. high torque low speed is weird on a saw
No one wants high torque and low speed, as you said. But torque in high speed in important in holding chain speed through hardwood. Poplar is cake for these saws. Oak and maple, not so much.
Electric saws seem to be for the iPhone crowd (no customization, just turn it on and enjoy being restricted by the design). $850 for the saw + $500 for battery and charger. A lot of fuel and oil can be purchased for $500. As always, buy what suites you, just don't use the excuse that this is a more environmental solution to a traditional saw.
Ive been running a msa 220 for 4 years regularly for trail work and firewood collecting. After multiple chains and bars it just a month ago ate its first rear sprocket due to chains wearing through it. Ive loved not having to deal with mix fuel or carb issues from sitting up.
My electric saw is ready when I am! Homeowner doesn’t need a large saw, most of the time, but needs a ready one! I took my old deck down with a 12” electric saw, and hired a big tree, cut down professionally! It cost me $1500.00 to top the tree and dispose of the remnants! Cutting trees down can be tricky, and a hospital stay can cost more than the biggest most expensive saw I would ever imagine! My saws are waiting for me, ready to go!
I have no need for a big saw like the M18 dual battery, I have plenty of M18 HO batteries but I just can't get past how long the body of the regular M18 saw is. It just feels goofy. If I had to get a battery say I'd get this one. Like you say, it feels like a normal gas saw and it's really nicely built. Oh wait, $1,500 Canadian for the saw, charger and a battery? That's a VERY hard sell. For pros the savings in fuel costs will probably add up but as an occasional user I'd rather keep my MS 250 and buy $1,500 worth of fuel, oil and chains.
Help me understand. I assume you arre saying that the saw should run at higher rpm so the chain oiler will put out more oil. By the saw having less torque, the chain speed slows and so does the oiler. Explain why a saw with less torque would be designed to increase chain life via the oiler.
@@WorkshopAddict Not saying it is designed to but Ive noticed on some battery saws that have lower chain speeds than gas saws oil better and the chains last longer
@FortyGritSandpaper How many chains and bars have you wore out on battery saws, or gas for that matter? I normally turn my oiler up on my gas saws and let them rip and I normally wear out the teeth before anything else.
@ GMC is making car , working with battery and petrol , if you are in traffic jam you use battery and if you go more than 60 miles / hour it goes petrol .
I have a Stihl MSA 220 that I’ve had for about 3 seasons, came with an AP 300 battery, a charger! With a 16” bar. It’s my go to saw. For most fallen trees on my property . It cuts as well as my gas saw, keep it in my warm walk in basement, it’s quiet,and doesn’t run unless I pull the trigger. I paid around $800 For it money well spent. I’ve paid more than that for my pro gas saw!
I use a skip tooth chain a lot on my saws. How does this saw handle that? Is it so under powered that that is no good? I still love my gas powered saw and will likely never switch... But it's an interesting idea nonetheless.
@chweatherl in soft wood, it could handle that, but in hard wood it might be a bit much. If it were to grab, it might stop the saw.
Sthil is using pouch cell in the ap500s
@OUTILSCLIPSQC I swore i said tabless cells in the video, did I mess up and say they don't have pouch cells? The saw and batteries need to be updated.
it would be nice to have that kind of chain speed on the dewalt. Pressure on the saw to cut is not the right way to do it. the high torque is less relevant than chain speed. if it's sharp you want it to spin the fastest it can without slowing to much and that is the sweet spot for efficiency. you could play a bit with the rakers to get optimal depth of cut. high torque low speed is weird on a saw
No one wants high torque and low speed, as you said. But torque in high speed in important in holding chain speed through hardwood. Poplar is cake for these saws. Oak and maple, not so much.
Electric saws seem to be for the iPhone crowd (no customization, just turn it on and enjoy being restricted by the design). $850 for the saw + $500 for battery and charger. A lot of fuel and oil can be purchased for $500. As always, buy what suites you, just don't use the excuse that this is a more environmental solution to a traditional saw.
Ive been running a msa 220 for 4 years regularly for trail work and firewood collecting. After multiple chains and bars it just a month ago ate its first rear sprocket due to chains wearing through it. Ive loved not having to deal with mix fuel or carb issues from sitting up.
My electric saw is ready when I am! Homeowner doesn’t need a large saw, most of the time, but needs a ready one! I took my old deck down with a 12” electric saw, and hired a big tree, cut down professionally! It cost me $1500.00 to top the tree and dispose of the remnants! Cutting trees down can be tricky, and a hospital stay can cost more than the biggest most expensive saw I would ever imagine! My saws are waiting for me, ready to go!
Please don't generalize. You as a homeowner does not need a big saw, but some do.
I have no need for a big saw like the M18 dual battery, I have plenty of M18 HO batteries but I just can't get past how long the body of the regular M18 saw is. It just feels goofy. If I had to get a battery say I'd get this one. Like you say, it feels like a normal gas saw and it's really nicely built. Oh wait, $1,500 Canadian for the saw, charger and a battery? That's a VERY hard sell. For pros the savings in fuel costs will probably add up but as an occasional user I'd rather keep my MS 250 and buy $1,500 worth of fuel, oil and chains.
I hated my ms250 that’s why I sold it
Whoever is running the saw at the beginning of this video l, would never borrow one of my saws!
Not being torquey lets it keep oiling good without burning up chains as fast.
Help me understand. I assume you arre saying that the saw should run at higher rpm so the chain oiler will put out more oil. By the saw having less torque, the chain speed slows and so does the oiler. Explain why a saw with less torque would be designed to increase chain life via the oiler.
@@WorkshopAddict Not saying it is designed to but Ive noticed on some battery saws that have lower chain speeds than gas saws oil better and the chains last longer
@FortyGritSandpaper How many chains and bars have you wore out on battery saws, or gas for that matter? I normally turn my oiler up on my gas saws and let them rip and I normally wear out the teeth before anything else.
@@WorkshopAddict A bunch. I been cutting regularly on 230 acres of property in karst topography.
It is better if it works with both , battery and petroleum .
That's like saying a truck would be better if it had a diesel and gas engine. Decide what's best for your application. 🙄
@ GMC is making car , working with battery and petrol , if you are in traffic jam you use battery and if you go more than 60 miles / hour it goes petrol .
Are you high? That would not work for a chainsaw.