As far as I’m aware there are no airspace limitations for experimentals you can even fly them into foreign airspace as long as you get prior permission from the destination country. While the average owner cannot use their aircraft for hire or compensation, you can apply for a LODA(or letter of deviation authority) that will allow you to use your aircraft for hire in the specific area of giving instruction that cannot already be given in an aircraft with a standard airworthiness certificate. Say there was no one in your geographical area who was offering familiarization flights or instruction in a velocity. The owner of this aircraft given a large number of hours in the aircraft, a CFI certificate, and a current condition inspection could apply for a LODA with the local FSDO to teach flight instruction in that Aircraft.
Correct. Experimentals are signed off on by the FAA. They have registrations the same as a certified aircraft. They are GA planes in every respect, some are even pressurized, like the Evolution.
In Canada the owner of a Homebuilt aircraft is allowed to sign off the maintenance don't need to be the builder. It would be good if the owner was knowledgeable about said aircraft and what to look for and how it's built of course. I bought a Europa XS mono from Punta Gorda FL. and did need to educate myself with the help of the experts always learning something new.
I was actually wrong on this one, anyone can work on and sign off that work on an experimental in the US. Seems a little not safe to me but that's the way the reg is written
Yes, True...but need a A&P to sign off the annual inspection, or the builder who would have the authorization. This is where it is different in Canada, here in Canada the owner can sign off the annual@@brycebuildsit
@@dwaynemcallister7231 In Canada there are some instructors using RV-6 type of aircraft...and it is a valid entry into to the logbook to gain hours towards upgrades...So these rules are more relaxed...
Just make it up, they don't even look at it. They just want to make sure things like weight and balance, fuel delivery are good. Everybody lies in aviation
How do some guys end up with an experimental that was previously certified? The best example I can think of is the Super Cub STOL guys. The PA18 is a certified aircraft, but I’ve seen several at air shows with heavy modifications that have experimental written on the door or something. Whats going on, there?
You can put a certified aircraft into the experimental category and then heavily modify it without needing to file 337's you can also put it in the R&D category but it has to be returned to original condition before it can be a certified aircraft again. It's all a little merky and wierd.
Sadly, the engine remains the same price for everyone, experimental or certified. Right now the Continentals are over $100k now. And to complete the engine installation, even at the home builder level, the full engine install with a big Continental as this plane has will be in the $125k range.
It’s at the point now where it’s cheaper to buy an engine from a salvage company that’s had a prop-strike and get it rebuilt. Or if you’re going experimental the automotive conversions are getting better these days and at a fraction of the cost.
@@FourthWayRanch If you are going to buy a new kit and spend 5 to 10 years building the plane, at that point, you are ready to get an engine core and rebuild it too? Nah. You will put a new engine in it, and trade your sweat for equity.
Its just a big model airplane. I have models all busted up and crooked that fly just fine. I fussed over my kolb refurb but when i got it in the air it flew just fine. Experimental can be much safer because you can look at the engine and fix it whenever you want. Certificated aircraft maintenance is very expensive, you have to fly to the mechanic, leave it etc. This makes people neglect them. You have to form wing ribs from sheet aluminum to be taken seriously tho, kit builders are just wannabes
@marionetteworks the firestar is a crooked mess too, I get in it and fly it no prob. That's part of the thrill, sitting in a flimsy poece of junk you put together wondering if its gonna plummet to the earth or not. I got a parachute but don't bring it often.
Pros: You can put all kids of cheap parts in them including fasteners and avionics. Cons: A lot of people are spending a lot of time and money building their own flying coffins.
@747driver3 I was telling the guys at the ultralight field they couldn't just use a soldering iron to put the ferrule on the end of their throttle cable, u need a pot and the right Flux. They ignored me. They were repairing the cable cause the ferrule came off and caused a forced landing!
@@FourthWayRanch I guess they were “experimenting”. Honestly, there is a huuuuge amount of knowledge and time and patience required to build a safe airplane. I have seen some very good ones and some others I wouldn’t give you $5 for.
When i typed experimental aircraft into UA-cam this was exactly what i wanted
As far as I’m aware there are no airspace limitations for experimentals you can even fly them into foreign airspace as long as you get prior permission from the destination country. While the average owner cannot use their aircraft for hire or compensation, you can apply for a LODA(or letter of deviation authority) that will allow you to use your aircraft for hire in the specific area of giving instruction that cannot already be given in an aircraft with a standard airworthiness certificate. Say there was no one in your geographical area who was offering familiarization flights or instruction in a velocity. The owner of this aircraft given a large number of hours in the aircraft, a CFI certificate, and a current condition inspection could apply for a LODA with the local FSDO to teach flight instruction in that Aircraft.
Correct. Experimentals are signed off on by the FAA. They have registrations the same as a certified aircraft. They are GA planes in every respect, some are even pressurized, like the Evolution.
In Canada the owner of a Homebuilt aircraft is allowed to sign off the maintenance don't need to be the builder. It would be good if the owner was knowledgeable about said aircraft and what to look for and how it's built of course. I bought a Europa XS mono from Punta Gorda FL. and did need to educate myself with the help of the experts always learning something new.
I was actually wrong on this one, anyone can work on and sign off that work on an experimental in the US. Seems a little not safe to me but that's the way the reg is written
Yes, True...but need a A&P to sign off the annual inspection, or the builder who would have the authorization. This is where it is different in Canada, here in Canada the owner can sign off the annual@@brycebuildsit
@@dwaynemcallister7231 In Canada there are some instructors using RV-6 type of aircraft...and it is a valid entry into to the logbook to gain hours towards upgrades...So these rules are more relaxed...
What if you buy a mostly complete experimental with no build logs. Can you still get a permit?
Yes, it will be more difficult, so I recommend finding a DAR first. Also, you would not be able to be considered the manufacturer.
Just make it up, they don't even look at it. They just want to make sure things like weight and balance, fuel delivery are good. Everybody lies in aviation
How do some guys end up with an experimental that was previously certified? The best example I can think of is the Super Cub STOL guys. The PA18 is a certified aircraft, but I’ve seen several at air shows with heavy modifications that have experimental written on the door or something. Whats going on, there?
You can put a certified aircraft into the experimental category and then heavily modify it without needing to file 337's you can also put it in the R&D category but it has to be returned to original condition before it can be a certified aircraft again. It's all a little merky and wierd.
Interesting I thought the builder could do the condition inspection on experimental?
Yes, the builder can. I ment if you buy it second hand and are not the builder you will need an A&P to do it
@@brycebuildsit Roger, thanks
Where's the next one?!!?
Well you see what had happened was. The propeller spinner had to get sent back to Germany, so I'm waiting for that to get back to film it.
HAHAHAHA
Sadly, the engine remains the same price for everyone, experimental or certified. Right now the Continentals are over $100k now. And to complete the engine installation, even at the home builder level, the full engine install with a big Continental as this plane has will be in the $125k range.
It’s at the point now where it’s cheaper to buy an engine from a salvage company that’s had a prop-strike and get it rebuilt. Or if you’re going experimental the automotive conversions are getting better these days and at a fraction of the cost.
That's not true, lots of cheap worn out engines to be had and you can rebuild it yourself
@@FourthWayRanch If you are going to buy a new kit and spend 5 to 10 years building the plane, at that point, you are ready to get an engine core and rebuild it too? Nah. You will put a new engine in it, and trade your sweat for equity.
Its just a big model airplane. I have models all busted up and crooked that fly just fine. I fussed over my kolb refurb but when i got it in the air it flew just fine. Experimental can be much safer because you can look at the engine and fix it whenever you want. Certificated aircraft maintenance is very expensive, you have to fly to the mechanic, leave it etc. This makes people neglect them.
You have to form wing ribs from sheet aluminum to be taken seriously tho, kit builders are just wannabes
"I have models all busted up and crooked that fly just fine".
Yea but you don't get inside those and put your life on the line. :D
@marionetteworks the firestar is a crooked mess too, I get in it and fly it no prob. That's part of the thrill, sitting in a flimsy poece of junk you put together wondering if its gonna plummet to the earth or not. I got a parachute but don't bring it often.
@@FourthWayRanch hahaha, ok I stand corrected.
Can you zip tie brake lines on an experimental 😂
You can do anything you want on an experimental.... makes me nervous. Believe me I have seen some things
@@brycebuildsit I’m a skywagon guy, seen plenty of zip ties on break lines on certified airplanes foo
I've worked on certified airplanes that have zip ties holding the brake lines to the landing gear. It's weird.
@brycebuildsit so zip tying my fuel pump to the frame is bad?
Pros: You can put all kids of cheap parts in them including fasteners and avionics. Cons: A lot of people are spending a lot of time and money building their own flying coffins.
Not true most of the accidents are from poor airmanship. Very few structural failures in flight.
@@FourthWayRanch That’s not what i am reading.
@747driver3 I was telling the guys at the ultralight field they couldn't just use a soldering iron to put the ferrule on the end of their throttle cable, u need a pot and the right Flux. They ignored me. They were repairing the cable cause the ferrule came off and caused a forced landing!
Still safer than a 🏍
@@FourthWayRanch I guess they were “experimenting”. Honestly, there is a huuuuge amount of knowledge and time and patience required to build a safe airplane. I have seen some very good ones and some others I wouldn’t give you $5 for.