Boatyard Work - Bottom Prep and Painting
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- Опубліковано 18 бер 2024
- It’s our hell week - I plan to live on the boat, our 2006 341 Meridian to clean, scrape, sand and paint the bottom with fresh antifouling paint this week. But we find a costly surprise along the way.
Follow along as we use top quality primer and paint to hopefully eliminate our barnacle troubles.
Products:
Interlux Micron Extra SPC ablative anti fouling paint for our hull
Interlux Primocon underwater metal primer paint
Interlux Trilux 33 underwater metal antifouling paint
100% concur on different paint. Lines that sharp make it fairly clear. My friends give me grief about still doing physical labor like you're doing now, but at least you know it's done right.
Not sure how many years I have left in me doing it myself. I may hire a young lad next time. Lol
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It's like people say, if you want things done right you have to do it yourself.
That looks like A L O T of work. 💪🏻
Your the Man Tom. There’s nothing you can’t fix or afraid to tackle on your equipment. Looks Awesome
It gets more barnacles on the sides because the sun hits there, like a plant. No sun on the very bottom
I got more sun on the side that had less barnacle. The real bad side is actually the side against the dock, and gets very little sun. But the district lines fire/aft are a telltale of different paints.
Great job! And yes this is why I try and do what I can instead of outsourcing the work. It's unfortunate that this kind of poor work happens so often! It's not only a waste of money, but some jobs done poorly jeopardize the safety of everyone on board.
Had to rewatch it 😊
Good video sir, thanks for sharing! Every time I use primer, I'm glad I took the time and expense. Also, I don't blink at paying for expensive paint...compared to my worth per hour to repaint, the paint cost is nothing, ha.
I agree with you and your subscribers. It was a paint difference that caused your problem. I am sure you will have better results now that you did the work yourself.
Nice work that is a big job to do solo. Enjoy your videos.
That is so strange about the bottom of the boat 🤔 I would investigate it a bit more.😊
Looks like you’re doing a great job!
Been a few years since i have had a boat. Had the same type problems you have. I spent many days sanding and scraping. I then applied 3 coats of a good ablative paint, not cheap, the next year on haul out the paint looked new. You are right do it right, do it yourself.
Sw Florida waters are no joke. The money spent on premium paint I hope will payoff next year. Time will tell!
Excellent job you’re hired😅
No mas no mas! 😂
Enjoying the series. Thanks for sharing.
I’m sorry to hear about that crappy bottom paint job. That’s unacceptable. Glad you’re taking this on and making sure youre getting it done right. Something is definitely off about that paint.
Thats exactly what I was thinking. Low quality paint. I also see where previous paint roller marks stopped. Something also I was going to say, we have been looking for a home in your area, and has been brought up many times, from friends that live on canals, in that area, that the canals that are dead ends, have more stagnant water (promoting growth), than dead end canals with culvert pipe outlets, allowing better flow. From Michigan, pretty much same thing here. But lucky enough to have my boat on a hoist. Your work looks awesome !!!
I’m one house away from the end of my canal and water quality is usually pretty good. Not stagnant. We have tides that flush them out daily. Occasionally some algae but it clears pretty quick.
Wow! Shocking that this happened, but also amazing at how well a good anti-fouling paint can work.
You need zincs on the rudders, trim tabs, prop shafts, thrusters, and the stern plate.
I bet the body is feeling all the aches and pains. Using muscles you don't usually use. Thats hard work. Looks great! Lite beer will go down good when it's all done!!
It sure did!
It’s def a paint quality issue. I agree! ☝️
Good job! Very rewarding when you do it yourself.
Hi Tom another great video reminds me many years ago had 4 wood boats covered in copper bottom paint sanded them down to bare wood. last three now were fiberglass but in fresh water no problems like yours be safe alk in Michigan
I didn't know much about boats 18:13 , but that looks great. Lots of hard work. Best Wishes to you
Looking good brother!!!.you are correct,using mineral spirits (aka) paint thinner is common practice working with bottom paint...im guilty of it . problem is that it not effective and doesn't last long.
Toms new barnacle free hair gel in stores near you
You may have something there. Lol
This one is awesome 💯😎
I've tried about every sanding tool known to man in an attempt to increase production and save time. A four inch grinder with the arbor adapter using 36 grit pads is the best bang for the buck that I've found. It's simple ,cheap and effective. The smaller grinder is easier on old shoulders too.
I used my grinder with 80 grit flap wheel and it was too aggressive. I used a paint remover wheel that was much better on a t but wore away quickly. Next time I’ll buy lots of them.
As much time, money and effort goes into a haulout, I'd be ticked off too. 9 months should look pristine except for algae.
I used to supply the paint I wanted on the bottom. Most yards near me will not permit anyone who is not employed by the yard to work on the boat
It's really awesome to see all the work you have done to Happy Ours. Bravo Zulu.
Any hope for a continuous live stream for the trip home?
Sorry no live stream home. Next video we splash and test run. And get another surprise. 😮
Tom, just doing the same thing here in Jacksonville, so I feel your pain. I’m on day 4 as well and just finished painting our 34 Trojan. Just a note about your propellers, they normally loosen when they haven’t been “lapped in” during install. Not sure about the history, but anytime a shaft or prop is changed, you have to lap fit the prop otherwise it will ride up the shaft or worse, vibrate. So, if you have any doubts, you may want to look into it next time.
Great job by the way! I too am a DIYer, but those type marinas are getting hard to come by.
Scott
I didn’t change the props or shaft so the lap should be ok. Who knows what he did. I trust no one anymore.
@@AdventuresofHappyOurs understood! I found things that I still shake my head over. Best of luck, she looks good!
Thank you!
Great job Tom boat looks great again.Ya if you want a job done right you have to do it yourself
Paint in the hair - that's one way to get rid of the gray! LOL
You saying I have greys? 🤣
Maybe a few. You will after this project!
with some periodic cleaning in the water you can go longer between repaints. iv'e gone 3 years between haulouts.
I tried diving monthly and it just was too much and too bad in those poor spots. Hope it’s going to be better now.
FWIW Workmanship, quality materials, and oversight… I have a good, trustworthy Marina in Tampa/Tarpon Sprgs area do my bottom. You had a different situation down there post-Ian.
My suggestion for next time is to consider having someone do the growth removal and blasting/sanding (serious hard work) then you can apply your own purchased paint knowing it is done right.
Agreed on different paints, or they did not properly mix the next gallon and all the anti-fouling was still at the bottom of the can.
Oh that may be it too! That stuff is thick and needs a drill to mix like I did. The can weighs twice as much as a regular paint can. It’s more than half solid.
Looks like a brand ne boat. Awesome job.
Getting ready to have my boat painted this spring so your video was very helpful. Too big of a job for me though. Going to use an ablative paint, Micron CSC I believe.
That’s a top quality paint too. I’m having the yard paint my other boat and the use micron csc
Instead of On Off for the yellowing, try some toilet bowl cleaner! Much cheaper and works much better!
Interesting!
BreakOutAnotherThosuand or two...
Great Job ,I feel your pain I do my boat every season.
I thought you installed Hull Shield on your boat. That didn't have anything to do with the cleaner parts of the hull ?
The hullshield may have helped but that bad paint had no business being on a boat. Time will tell and I’ll keep you updated!
Man I'm stickin to bodies of freshwater for boating
You can still get slime algae and zebra mussels in fresh water. Just as bad in many cases.
So very sad that this happens in a marine setting. Same thing in the auto industry to cut corners. People are afraid to stand behind their work that they do. Simply saying people just want the money and could care less about doing it right. It is Shamefull that this goes on. Kudos to you that your able to do this!!
Man! You’ve got your work cut out for you. A couple things, yes I agree you got shafted on the last bottom job. I bet it was leftover paint they used after they ran out of the gallon someone expected to coat the whole bottom. This is precisely why when I can’t do the work myself, I sit and observe. Sorry, not sorry but I’ve seen it far too many times to let it go. Second, the grey color is most likely barrier coat underneath the paint. Now I’m not too sure about recoating but when barrier coat is applied, the first coat of new bottom paint must be applied while the last barrier coat is still tacky. It’s a process but done correctly you’ll have great results in both bottom paint adhesion and prevention of osmosis resulting in blisters. Don’t sand through the barrier coat! Third, while the Gypsy Dawn is on the hard I had her blasted with fineglass just yesterday! It ran me $50/foot and took them just a few hours. Just like that, 24 years and around 300 lbs of old bottom paint was stripped away. Now the hull, running gear and any other underwater pieces are stripped down to original and ready to be barrier coated and painted. The result is a factory smooth bottom surface (used to be like the surface of the moon!). Most people I know having done this have gained around 4 kts on top end and substantial fuel savings. While I’m not looking for top end if I can do a higher speed at my cruising RPM, I’ll be pretty happy. As far as your prop being loose, I’ll spare you the headache of finding the correct torque…..there is none. The procedure for reinstalling the prop is the key. Also I’ve heard people using 4200 on the threads of the large nut to prevent any movement. I however am not going to do that when I reinstall mine.
That’s a very reasonable soda blast price. Around here prices are ridiculous. My prop guy said don’t put anything on prop nuts. Half torque small nut, full torque large nut, cotter pin and your done. The opposing force on the threads of the half torqued nut locks it in place.
@@AdventuresofHappyOurs I agree, I put nothing in the prop nut. What I do though is after setting the prop I tighten it down with the large nut and a washer. Once it’s tight, I remove the large, replace it with the jamb nut and reinstall the big nut tightening until it just starts to turn the jamb nut. Cotter pin and that’s it.
Also, that price was for JUST blasting not the barrier coat or paint. That is a job the yard won’t let go to anyone else but even so I think I was quoted 75/foot by the blaster for the full job.
What a difference. Looks great. What made you decide on the Micron Extra SPC instead of the Micron CSC? Does it have a higher copper concentration?
M neighbor used the extra and it’s been 2 years his power cat has been sitting in my canal with no growth.
Time for a boat lift, it would save you money in the long run
Time will tell! I’ll give it another year or so.
Want it done right you gotta do it yourself.
Hey there. Great job on bottom paint. I was looking into using Prop Speed. What's your thoughts on that product?
I considered it but it’s difficult to apply and expensive. Heard good things about it but I’ll see how my anti fouling does first.
Do you have barrier coat on your boat? If so, I was thinking it would have almost been easier to soda blast the bottom.
I’m assuming we have a barrier coat. Too expensive to soda blast for me at this point. Not much paint layered on to warrant it yet.
You just answer my question on the video
It's too late now, but Trilux 33/Primocon is for aluminum underwater metals, like outdrives, lower units and the like. I know it can be used for other metals and its a long lasting (almost hard ablative) but is it the best choice for running gear ?? Have you had success with it in the past ?
I just painted my Freedom Lift with it for this season but its not "spinning" and when on plane, has very little water flow to ablate the growth and its copper free
Just a question ??
The point with trilux is it doesn’t have copper in it so no dissimilar metals corrosion. My hope is the primer helps it adhere better to the metal. When I used regular ablative on the metals they always looked horrible. So this can be considered a test. Should be better. We’ll see!
Clearly they used different paint.
Question I thought those sonic things you installed would stop the growth?
I didn’t have enough ultrasonic transducers(I have since added them) and it claims to need good bottom paint to work well. We’ll see how this round goes with the fixes.
Are those cleaner areas also being protected by you hull shield?
Hullshield is in several spots on the hull. The bad paint is definitely the culprit.
@AdventuresofHappyOurs cool. Hopefully, this does it for you. I'm loving your channel. So looking forward to doing something similar in a few more years. Right, now it's still lake boating in Connecticut on candlewood lake. 3 more weeks boat will be out of storage, and i will begin my Cleanup marathon. CAHAPARAL 256 ssi.....cheers!
Question, how do you paint the spots where the stands are holding the boat ???
I asked the yard workers to move the stands. 👍
How many hours of actual run time do you estimate annually?
Used to do about 100 a year up north. Now over 200 a year I estimate. So much has happen the past couple years between the transport down and the hurricane it’s hard to know what normal is.
Starboard side got more sun....
His starboard side is against the dock
Less sun on starboard side as it’s against the dock.
How much did this job cost in materials?
About $1500 in paint. Maybe $2000 everything in (anodes, paint supplies, tyvek suits, etc). I hope to do a cost analysis video soon.
Who knows, expired paint probably. Your boat put in is like it’s loaded stern heavy looking at the line. Good luck
She’s heavy. Full tank of gas and lots of tools for the yard work.
I was going to say, didn’t you just have it bottom painted?
Yep. Less than a year earlier.
That is pretty damming. Don’t need a Columbo to find guilt there. Even the aft thruster tube which I assume is aluminum has no growth. I would approach the previous boat repair facility and ask for some sort of refund before disclosing their failure on your channel. Sure it sounds like extortion but marine repairs aren’t cheap. Or send the manager or owner of the yard a link to this video and see if they have the backbone to stand behind their work. Good luck!
It wont go anywhere. They can claim the paint was defective or any number of excuses.
Looks like they use house paint
I said the same thing
id be pissed
this is why i always do my own work
Why so negative?. I have seen this so often, even on my own boat. It has to do with the exposure levels of uv-light. The light doesnt penetrate to the inner areas.
If they reLly wanted to con you with shit paunt, they would have put the quality paint on the upper outsides where you would notice it.
I may agree with you but that wouldn’t explain the defined line around the prop area. It’s never happen to me before in 30 years of painting bottoms of my boat.
@@AdventuresofHappyOurs but it makes no sense, think about it.
Are you going to try and get your money back since you have to redo the same job all over again? It wasn't that long ago you had that done.
Not worth the headache.
Send a picture to the yard that do poor quality work
Wasn’t the yard. Just a local marine guy. It’s all I can find after the hurricane.
If only 8 months have passed since application, clearly the paint used was wrong in some way, probably not even "bottom paint." Edit: Infuriating.
Run out off paint. Use a poor quality piant,& maybe thin it out to finish the job
My thoughts exactly
It's amazing. You absolutely have to do everything yourself. Pathetic workmanship.
Low quality piant